/jp/ - Otaku Culture

We are looking for anons to play in tonights mahjongsoul game! you can signup here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D1VoWleS5cCi0-bAu4WaEyJqioRPydZFzQmnXKym-fo/edit?usp=sharing
we will play in about 2-4 hours from now! Post with discord ID so we can add you to tourny chat
beginners welcome!

I've only got a passing interest in Mahjong and I respect the attempt at bringing it back to /jp/, but you really gotta cut down on the OP. No need for linebreaks, triple spaces or the history of the game.

>>23653798
this was the OP for mahjong threads in 2013, mind your manners

>>23653765
by game i mean tournament, it will be 3 games and a final

>>23653765
its so fucking tempting to join but i've been clean of mahjong for 3 months now and i know if i join i'll be back into this shit. every time i get back into mahjong i have fun for the first 3 days and then want to kill myself for the next week and a half before quitting again.

Official Announcement!
KIZUNA CUP on Tenhou
This online Mahjong tournament's concept is to connect players worldwide while staying home and help support towards a safe resolution of COVID-19 together as a community.

Our daily activities has been changed drastically due to COVID-19. We are currently unable to gather with friends and family members to play Mahjong.
Because we are in a time like this, let's connect the KIZUNA (bond) among Mahjong players worldwide and fight against COVID-19.
​
Various Mahjong related parties in Japan are also wishing for a global resolution of COVID-19, and are supporting this event.

Free admission

Guest Pro from SPM will join from main matches
Koshin Asakura AKA ASAPIN
Hiroshi Daigo
Akina Mizuhara
Doppo Yamada AKA Doppo

Main match will be livestream on Mahjong Watch Youtube Channel.
Commentary: Misa Kobayashi
Technical Commentary: Ken Sonoda

Prizes
1st Place - AMOS JP2!!!!!!!
(If the participants are more than 1000)
and more detail please check the website.


MJ Stars English
https://www.mjstars.net/kizina-cup
Tenhou Event Page
https://tenhou.net/cs/2020/05kz/
RMC English
https://www.riichi-mahjong-central.com/new-blog/2020/4/29/kizuna-cup-announcement-and-details

Reminder that you'll never be this lucky.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2008121721gm-00c1-0000-fcadb0d7&tw=3&ts=5

mahou shoujo

>>23668742
be ashamed of your low effort bump

This reminded me thank I should pick the game back up. Plenty of time now with the 'rona and all.

>>23653765
Id love to play but I gotta learn first, ill be sure to sign up once I get the gist of the game

why don't you just post a discord server rather then a google doc?

Mahjong is a clusterfuck.

>>23653765
An update: We're still looking for new members who want to play in small tournaments on weekends in majsoul. Should be happening this weekend. Sign up in same place

Are you guys WATCHING THE FUCKING TOURNAMENT BETWEEN CORPORATION CLASHING ON THE MAHJONG TABLE
because they are doing it right NOW and Yostar got BTFO on tonpuusen round
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xKb0CcqbaA

>>23698480
First tonpuusen is between Yostar, VirtualCast, EISYS, and WitOne

>>23669427
Sorry

>>23654194
Tournament will start LESS THAN 24 Hours!!!

Apparently Tenhou has implemented an English mode? That's pretty neat.

>>23717495
Current placings
https://tenhou.net/sc/?C0011-sc5m
I wonder how much higher people can push. +250 already means finishing 50000 points each game.

>>23710223
>aka nashi
>no tobi
not my kinda game desu

>>23729269
There's tobi to stifle intentional feeding.

I finally got the lightening tile call
hooray

yo we hosting majsoul tourny must like beer to enter signup here so we can add u to group chat
signsup at >>23653765

>>23733956
forgot image

>>23653765
>see this
>oh nice it was posted only an hour ago
>look again
>four days ago
damn

Saikyousen today you bitches (right now)

>>23653765

>>23653765
use IRC.

>>23749283
>ABEMA is only accessible within Japan
So I'm not going to be able to watch the M-league finals, whenever those are on, without a VPN? Sucks

so how do I move on from the two basic bitches in mahjsoul? I keep selling gifts to get gold dust and a do a summon but all I get are those stupid wine glasses

>>23653754
Why couldn't they invent a card version of mahjong. Way more cost effective than making tiles.

>>23786215
There are mahjong cards, but holding and considering all 13+ cards in your hand at the same time is unwieldy. There's 34 types of tiles used in Japanese mahjong which is a lot more than the 13 ranks in French playing cards.
Tiles should also last longer than even a case of playing cards.

Now Students Majsoul Online Tournament!!!

Please register from THE website, and don’t forget to join KIZUNA discord!! (https://discord.gg/r5g7yZ))

https://www.mjstars.net/online-student-mahjong-carnival-202

>>23786215
There's also the charm of the physical item. Imagine Scrabble but with cards, for example. It wouldn't be as satisfying as digging through the bag for a piece, just like part of mahjong wouldn't be satisfying without mixing up all the tiles at the start, or lining them all up.

>>23787291
This so very much. A local variation of rummy is popular in my family and just holding the cards (from 11 up to 19) gets tiring in longer sessions. You don't have to deal with old people licking their fingers for a better grip every time they draw, either.

Is it even remotely feasible for f2p to aim for characters/max bond in MahjongSoul? It's so heavily aimed at whales looks like

>>23826126
what do you get for max bond?

>>23767939

Mahjong streams are available outside Japan on ABEMA, unless they change it like really recently

>>23653765
Would love to join but I do not have a discord and don't want to make one.
>>23745644
That's nice and all but who are you quoting?

>>23827922
they did change it recently, you can try yourself

>>23826126
Feasible, sure, but it won't be quick. Get into silver+, play a single character making sure to work on maxing their bond and earning silver chests and bond items, then trade everything off for stardust to buy tickets. That's all you can do. Save up for a character rate up if you want someone in particular. Theoretically, 1/20 tickets on average should net you a character, but like I said, it sure won't be quick.

>>23861979
another day of +-0 in the tokujou

>>23861979
No because of pon cats

>>23861979
what

bump

mashong

mashon

I wish tenhou charged for the client itself instead of per account since I like to switch out sometimes

>>23653754
>mfw mahjong just took down Japan's chief prosecutor like a day or two ago

>>23654194
When did this get moved here? Is it still on /vg/?

>>23909932
huh?

what does the catface in your player trend line indicate?

>>23925128
>=50,000pt finish

>>23927711
awesome, thanks for the info

Anybody have a translation of the powers and shit from touhou mahjong on switch?

>>23930768
No, but if you post screenshots, I can translate it

>>23916034
People found out he was playing betting mahjong and he was forced to resignate.

>>23930768
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/User:Darkslime/Touhou_Unreal_Mahjong_4#Patch_notes
This is the first one, at least. Anons here would be able to help you with the rest.

>>23931019
It won't be easy due to how much of a pain it is to get screenshots off the switch along with how many things would have to be translated. Even just what's missing from
>>23932056
would be like 30-40 screencaps at least.

>>23931578
I first read that as
>playing better mahjong and forced to resign
and was really confused

>木原 gonna do mahjong soul livestreams to try and get youtube popular
I feel a bit betrayed as a ブロマガ subscriber

I understand that having more players is better and so on, but still, I hate that we no longer have a serious thread, only a shitty mahjong soul one with stupid memes.

Tenhou is simple, makes sense, and you can play 2.5 games in the time it takes to play one on the shitty gacha.

>>23939257
>and you can play 2.5 games in the time it takes to play one on the shitty gacha.
Majsoul isn't *that* slow. FFXIV on the other hand, jesus christ. Hanchans can easily last more than an hour there

>>23939257
Tenhou also gives better visual feedback and has an actually good replay viewer. It's astounding how awful MJS' replayer viewer is.

>>23939257
>only a shitty mahjong soul one with stupid memes
I feel you on that one.

>>23939634
Yeah, and also the fact that you can look up other people's stats on external sites like nodocchi. I feel motivated just by seeing that some 十段 plays 6 hours daily. Meanwhile on MJS you can't even check whether your average placement was better this month than last month (as far as I know).

Not to mention the analysis tools on tenhou that are paid only. I'm looking forward to using them once I make it to Houou (pray for me :DD).

>>23942424
>de cancer moderna
where can I watch this?

>>23944177
https://abema.tv/video/episode/444-4_s20_p34
vpn required

>>23939787
>Not to mention the analysis tools on tenhou that are paid only. I'm looking forward to using them once I make it to Houou (pray for me :DD).
I believe you can download your replays from the web client (you might have to use some external tools) then use LogAna on the Windows client to analyse them for free. You don't need a paid account and you don't need to be in houou. LogAna's pretty cool though:
>>>/vg/292522824
>>>/vg/292522974
>>>/vg/292523116

so like, what are you guys? chinese weebs? any whites in here?

>>23947291
I'm white but I go to a uni with a lot of weebs so my friends taught me

>>23947397
that's cool. this has got to be niche even for weebs right? i'm just now getting into it but i've been a weeb for about 10 years.

>>23945679
downloading all my stuff sounds like a pain though. still, thanks for telling me, I might try it out later.
>>23947442
it's pretty niche even in Japan imo. with M-LEAGUE there's more and more people who watch mahjong, but a huge part of them are filthy casuals who don't even play the game themselves. there's not that much money involved unless you're a showbiz guy like Ooi, so you really gotta like pushing tiles around all day to become a pro.

>>23948322
>it's pretty niche even in Japan
what about all those mahjong parlors and manga and anime about it?

i think im learning all the suits and hands well enough, but the speed of the game is way too intimidating for me. 5 seconds isn't enough for me to be confident. would much prefer 20 each time

>>23957915
Once you get used to the pace, 5 seconds is enough.

>>23958067
my brain doesnt work that fast

>>23958350
It will!

>>23826126
Aiming for characters is the slow part, I got my first character after like ten donation for summons runs and was lucky enough to get one of the ones I wanted.
Bonding is a grind but not an insane one as long as you play regularly, particularly not an issue with event items.

i dont know what im doing

Are the weekend tourneys still alive? I want in.

>>23959561
Closed Chinitsu nigga. Drop those sou.

>>23960512
i would also like to play you guys, even if i am incredibly new and will be an easy stepping stone for the regulars

i want the dog and/or the shota character.

why isn't there a fkmt-brand mahjong app?

>tfw my brain is too small to listen to music or podcasts when playing because i don't have enough computing power to do anything but focus on the match

>>23962966
Sometimes I think listening to rock and other cool music while playing mahjong makes me more daring in my discards and hand attempts. Which sometimes can be a bad thing.

Although when I pull of a super rad hand, I feel pumped up.

>>23948322
isn't mahjong unironically getting more popular with 20 somethings? i noticed this across different cultures with their versions of mahjong too

>>23968410
I mean it's getting more popular thanks to M-LEAGUE and V-tubers, but it'd be a stretch to call it super popular. Only a fraction of those who watch these mahjong themed bangumis actually sit down to learn the rules and shit.

>>23962966
To be fair, there's a lot of information and you have to be aware of what's happening every turn.

i'm still REALLY new and i can't recall what fundamental is going over my head here. why can i not declare a win in this position i find myself in so often?

>>23976815

>>23976874
i see now

i feel like i've learned the basics and some yaku but i'm in a rut now. do i just keep playing and playing till i get the hang of it? are there any good instructional videos that arent just explaining the rules?

>>23931578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk3MZrxXswY
I came here to post this but i guess im late to the party lmao

>>23976815

>>23978290
i guess i should actually learn some. was too under the impression that any old melds and a pair would be valid

where to buy nice tiles as seen on tv?

>YAKUMAN READY flashes on screen for the first time ever
>someone finishes two turns after me

whats everyones ranks on tenhou?

>>23977438
You should grind singleplayer until you know how to not be in furiten, how to develop a starting hand towards the most optimal yaku, and how to calculate basic odds based on all visible tiles.
https://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html

>>23980576
五段 but I'm ready to get back to 六段 now

>>23980778
why would you ever play singleplayer mahjong? nobody cares if you play like a retard in bronze room mjs. and it's a better experience. bots don't take any time to think so you don't get any time to think either.

>>23979341
>riichi
>someone else riichis right after
>they get ippatsu

>>23985993
I played pretty girls mahjong for awhile before I started playing online and I would recommend it
It helped me learn a lot of the basics and establish proper beginner strategies and early discards. You can take however long you want on your turn, so you can look up things on the mahjong wiki before you make a decision

The girls were cute too

>>23985993
Because you can grind a number of games so much faster like >>23989880 said. In the flash game max speed means you can draw another tile in a second.

Any type of competitive multiplayer game is much easier if you practice first. If you could play it IRL with experienced friends then that's that's a different story (interactive feedback and community bonus), but waiting for three random strangers to discard is a waste of time if you can't handle your own tiles (not to mention the opponents').

i'm having so much fun!

i just threw out one of the best hands i was ever dealt. fuck.

>>23998345
It's ok anon, there will be thousands of more hands.

Higher ranks of MJS are super-rigged, surely. Probably based on time periods, because there's days when everything goes my way and I get several 1st places in a row, and days where nothing does and I stay last place every game.

>>24010893
what is mjs?

>>24010893
that's just mahjong you bitch. had a game today where I played pretty much perfectly (probably not, but it was good enough for my level) but in south-3 the 4th dude who was 15k behind of me riichied and as I dropped one of my shaas (I had a shaa back call, best defense+offense combo) he ronned me.

shaa fucking tanki

riichi
sanshoku (789)
dora + aka
AND HE EVEN GOT FUCKING URA

if it were just a mangan I still would've had a chance in all last, but with haneman tsumo/mangan choku, it's pretty much over

that shit was unlucky on so many fucking levels, but it had nothing to do with me playing good or bad. that's just mahjong. in my other two games today I got 12 so all in all I've got +-0 today.

there are some games where you're bound to get 4th no matter what, so instead of worrying about those, you should try to win as hard as you can when you're not unlucky

also mjs a shit, play tenhou like a real hardcore gamer

i keep fucking losing

>>24020124
Loser

>>24020502
Not in my heart, you're not.

>>24020124
Not in my heart, you're not.

>>24016379
>play tenhou
that drab shit bores the fuck outta me.
the other options out there aren't as "hardcore" or whatever but as least they try to make it more fun with colorful characters/effects and backgrounds and shit.

also: fuck tenhou's buggy phone app. I quit it last year after it failed to register a ron once too many times.

>>24026632
>that drab shit bores the fuck outta me.
Just use the Tenhou client. It looks way sleeker than the web version.
>try to make it more fun with colorful characters/effects and backgrounds
read: I only play because I'm a coomer who cares more about anime tiddy than the mahjong

>>24026706
yeah, I enjoy the game for the game itself and the visuals. fuck being some deluded tryhard that thinks he can be a mahjong pro states sides.

any guides on strategy? not just rules

>>24026632
i do not find the screaming anime girls to be fun at all, honestly.
tenhou is more fun because when you inevitably lose, it's just "tsumo or "ron" and the amount of points you've lost. a number goes down and that's all. even if i deal into a baiman, i can handle it.
as opposed to "ROOOON!"
*FWOOOOM*
*EXPLOSION SOUND EFFECTS*
*THUD*
*THUD*
*THUD*
*THUD*
*BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*
and then they start spamming emotes and so on and so forth. i just want to play mahjong.

>>24028609
Chiba's book is a great start. pretty sure it's linked in the op... actually I don't see it, so here's a link:

https://dainachiba.github.io/RiichiBooks/

>>24028742
sounds like you would really enjoy Microsoft Excel...

and fyi, there are other clients out there aside from mjs and tenhou that aren't as drab as tenhou or as gatchashit as soul

>>24028742
I thought the mahjsoul emotes would piss me off but I find them surprisingly fun. it's a reminder that you're playing with people and we're all having fun. I sort of miss it when I play on other platforms.

>>24029031
tenhou is hardly drab. you can import your own tablecloth image and change the tile colors with ease if you don't like the default. but if there's another client that i can do this with, which has a better ui (preferably in english, at least partially like tenhou is), and also displays the wall, tell me.
>>24029051
the emotes are fun when you're playing with people you know. majsoul is much better for friendly matches.

how to get tenhou client to display japanese properly?

>>24031153
You have to change your locale settings to Japanese.

>>24031407
thanks. new issue, the box is fucking tiny on my 4k monitor and even adjusting the in client settings its still tiny. what should i do?

>>24031628
Alt enter?

>>24031660
it looks like a tiny box surrounded by black screen then

>>24032130
You might need to go into your gpu settings, nvidia control panel if you have a nvidia card, and change the scaling to either "aspect ratio" or "full screen"

>>24029004
>https://dainachiba.github.io/RiichiBooks/
dude this looks perfect thank you

>>24033163

>>24039687
kanpai

anyone here have experience going to a mahjong parlor in japan?

6 hours of tenhou total
result: +-0
gotta start getting good...

>>24055689
>played mahjong for hours just to grind points
if your reason for playing isn't enjoyment, you're doing it wrong

>>24060717
It was fun. I wanted to stop and chill with some casual sanma after ~3 games, but I accidentally clicked on the yonma button and kept playing.

also grinding for points and having fun are not mutually exclusive. the ranking system ensures that everyone at the table is trying their best to win, so when I win it feels really good. when my pt goes up I can see that I'm a bit better than my opponents and it was worth spending several hundreds of hours on getting good

extremely lucky keiten that enabled me to take 2nd place by 100 points (next turn kamicha tsumo'd 1300-2600)

I had 34p+7m hanging but since kamicha's last tedashi was the red 5m I thought 7m was too dangerous to discard. + of course it's dangerous vs toimen as well. so I dropped 4p and next turn I drew the last 8m.

>>24065275
why are all the names r____?

>>24066446
oh ranking? i dont see that displayed on mine

>>24066446
>>24066458
Rate is only displayed if it's 1800+.

>>24066446
names are hidden so you don't realize that I'm the only one posting screenshots

after 100 games what should my rank reasonably be on tenhou?

>>24068140
https://nodocchi.moe/tenhoulog/index.html#!&name=JK%E3%81%97%E3%82%8D%E3%81%BE%E3%82%8B
this is shiratori's tenhou aka. you can check whether you're better than him

for me I was 初段 after 100 but I started playing on tenhou right after graduating from the flash game. I'd say my first few hundred games were just learning the rules /for real/

Fuck mahjong, honestly. I get myself to first with a nice early chinitsu only to get tsumo'd to third.

>>24068215
who is shiratori and how the hell am i supposed to read this

How long did it took you to get a new character without spending money on mjs?

>>24068329
first day playing? lmao
>>24068498
>doesn't know shiratori
>can't use a website on his own
>>24071467
some months, dunno, but I just stopped playing there

why is this furiten?

>>24072653
nvm its cuz of the 4 in the discard pile

>>24072668
what? it's a chiitoi hand (all pairs) waiting on Chun (red dragon) which was your very first discard. why do you think 4pin is causing your furiten?

>>24072653
>furiten jigoku tanki vs 2 riichi (oya+rasume)
I hope you're not one of those people saying mahjong is nothing but luck and ガレナ

>>24073262
It doesn't look like Anon has been playing long enough to turn into one of those people.

>>24073877
he's right around the crossroad where he will either have to get good or end up as an eternal shitter

>>24028742
really this is why I like playing mahjong in yakuza the most, even if it's singleplayer
if any of the games made multiplayer mahjong with all the same random voice lines and dumb animations for calling riichi/ron/tsumo, I'd probably play that exclusively

>>24079239
That's not enough to keep me interested, especially in yakuza where the mahjong interface looks very cheap, there isn't any payoff, and there are hundreds of other things to do. I wish there was a game with some sort of campaign, or story involved where you make your own character and you're can be a rep player or something. Otherwise I'll just keep playing Tenhou forever

>>24079644
>story involved where you make your own character and you're can be a rep player or something.
just go pro like all the cool americans do (kek). I bet if you pulled off being a funny gaijin in a way that nips would pay to meet you you could earn a modest living

I thinm none of the westerner pros in Japan are trying hard enough. You gotta make an advantage out of the fact that you stick out like a sore thumb from all the other asian D-leaguers. Of course, that takes a different kind of talent.

most westerner pros in japan are just self-centered nerds posting about their cafe lattes on twitter and honestly it's gay as fuck

>>24080634
Maybe they don't want to be an american stereotype memelord like that Atsugiri Jason guy was. I would normally argue some are simply introverted normal dudes who just want to play mahjong, but a lot of them are actually toxic and narcissistic as fuck. They might as well go all the way and become a full-out attention whore.

can someone provide a link the previous thread?

>>24080852
Yeah, well even Atsugiri Jason is better than being a noname mahjong pro (for making money). You don't need to build your character, interact with fans and so on just to play mahjong, but if you put more effort into those things 1 (you) would become popular and 2 mahjong would become more popular. I'm somewhat of an Ooi fan, and he basically talks about this everywhere he can, so I'm just regurgitating his thoughts (as he's clearly one who's made it).

list of things I should try to make an effort to get better at:
>memorize kuinobashi patterns
>get better at taking keiten
>memorize the point difference table (like 1300-2600 is enough to gyakuten 6500 points vs a child)
>practice chinitsu

Othello..

when should you riichi on a chiitoi? when you have 2 dora to bump into mangan, or is that still not worth the higher win chance from damaten?

>>24097448
Generally speaking, don't riichi chiitoi with dora. The ron value is already a respectable 6400 points. Without dora, it depends a whole lot of factors, like how many dora are left, if it looks like your tile might come out, who the dealer is and so on.

>>24097448
if you have a jihai tanki you should absolutely riichi even with a haneman (source: statistics), nearly the same if you have a suji 19 wait. beyond that it gets complicated.
if it's a very early turn (before 5th-6th turn) + you have a shitty wait (456), then you should dama until you get something decent

>>24100746
>source: statistics
you can't just say that without actually providing citation

>>24104463
統計学のマージャン
it's a classic. 正確に言うとthe statistics are from the tenhou houou paifu, the book just analyzes them

>>24104907
damn and i thought my japanese was good...

>>24098899
>>24100746
thank you very much. I've gotten chiitoi ron'd from wind tiles and such more times than I'd like to admit + ryuukyoku on my chiitoi wait because I riichi, I hope I can get better at this in the future

>>24110393
keep in mind that just because you got ryuukyoku that doesn't necessarily mean your riichi was bad. if you go dama, all the opponents can keep making their hands, and maybe someone would have gotten an expensive hand. also, it might seem that just getting an agari is the most important (which is of course true in some cases), but the points you miss out on can later become the difference between taking top or ending up second for example. so keep this in mind every time you struggle to decide between riichi and dama.

Other than playing a lot of games, is there anything in particular you high level players helped you get into Tokujou or Houou?

>>24124538
Read theory
Review your games
Discuss strategy with strong players and learn by osmosis

>>24124538
up until I got to tokujou I basically did nothing but read books. I still have 4-5 books left in my room, but I'm only gonna read them when I start feeling like they could help

to progress from tokujou to houou you have to work on your weaknesses. if you know Japanese I suggest you subscribe to 木原浩一's ブロマガ on niconico. He posts an article a day, does game reviews for tokujou players struggling to progress and answers every single question on his BBS.

getting to houou means getting rid of bad habits and further polishing your basic skills (being able to make expensive hands, becoming the best betaori boy, etc)

also I wouldn't yet call myself a high-level player, but I'm starting to notice my mistakes and hopefully in some time I'll start making less of them.

I also watch a lot of mahjong content, maybe that helps too. it's difficult to say what would help you, as everyone is different, and everyone learns differently. I think it's safe to say that if you are in joukyuu, you are deficient in several basic skills.

What's the best feeling in mahjong? I love when I hit 4 kan dora. Rinshan kaihou feels pretty good too.

>>24129565
when you get lucky. feels good after all the times you were unlucky.

it can be drawing a safe tile when you mustn't deal in

getting an ippatsu as oya

choosing between two kanchans and drawing the one you chose

etc

>>23653754
Ah

>>23653754

>>24129565
most satisfying is a perfect betaori

why do i keep going into furiten most of the times?
t. started playing 2 days ago

also what are the combinations for 10,7,4,1 tiles?

>>24163004
>why do i keep going into furiten most of the times?
Because you have discarded a tile that could complete your hand. Whether said hand would have a yaku or not is irrelevant as far as furiten is concerned. Also remember that you're never furiten for a specific tile - you're either furiten or you're not.

>also what are the combinations for 10,7,4,1 tiles?
Not sure what you're asking here. If you mean like if you've called one through four times and what kind of hand composition you need afterwards, just subtract one group per call. E.g., if you have seven tiles in your hand, you need to complete two groups and a pair. Your pair will always be in your hand.

>>24129565
beating a youtuber on tenhou and watching the game on their stream afterwards

>>24163241
so it always has to be 4xgroup and a pair and in an open hand it gets less by one?
except for that one yaku where its 7 pairs thats it right?

>>24164380
Exactly, it will always be a total of four groups and a pair. Calling a tile just puts a group to the side and "locks" it so it can't be changed.

Other than chiitoitsu (seven pairs), there is one more exception, kokushi musou, which is a yakuman. Pic related.

>>24164613
i see pairs of terminal tiles, and the order in which winds go and the dragons but the 14th tile doesnt fall into any pattern or can it be any honor tiles?

>>24164946
There's no pair of terminal tiles in that example. I think I get what you meant, but for the sake of consistency it's important to be clear on that. Kokushi musou is just one of every terminal and honour with an extra tile pairing up any of those tiles. Checking http://arcturus.su/wiki/Kokushi_musou should help if there's anything else you're wondering about it.

>Reach tenpai
>No yaku
>Shit wait tanki wait on something everyone is going for
>Better wait on it so I can get a better wait
>Next turn get the tanki wait
>Could tsumo this
>Or...
>Furiten riichi the sequence wait
>Get the same tile I just dealt immeditely
>Turned tsumo nomi into riichi, tsumo, ipatsu, pinfu, ura dora one
I've never felt so skilled in this game

There's gonna be a Mahjong Soul event for ANIMEVO. Kind of bummed it's on MJS, but any of you folks interested in signing up?

Tenhou meijinsen ended today. It was fucking intense. Fukuchi won though, lmao. I wish Okamoto went pro, he's better than pretty much 95% of M-leaguers (at least).

https://youtu.be/mzIGJYfDJHg
gonna watch this later to satisfy my tenhou meijinsen cravings. it's one of the best tournaments in terms of gameplay quality, so I recommend you guys check some archive videos out if you haven't yet. + kobamisa loveee <3

>>24183405
feels comfy watching this and seeing the puro pureiasu doing the same discard choices as i would at every turn pretty much
maybe i'm not as terrible as i feel i am

Guys, help. I got stuck in event lobby and can't enter any lobby. What should I do?

>>24187438
Restart the client without the crack, then change lobbies.

>>24187487
ty

I won my first game today :) thanks for all the resources guys

anyone wanna tell me wtf 9kyu is?
im at negative 250 something point lmao

>>24190419
http://arcturus.su/wiki/Tenhou.net_ranking
good luck oji-san

>>24190585
i just read in the wiki , you arent subjected to point deduction untill you reach 2 kyuu
why am i at -257 then?

>>24190744
It's just the total score of your games. Consider it trivia, it doesn't have any impact on your rank.

>>24184358
the biggest difference between decent players and very strong ones is consistency. they do pretty much the same things as mere mortals, but without messing up

and then sometimes they do epic stuff like this that you wouldn't dare do:
https://youtu.be/dKgscpVmeWI

did this fucker knew i was in a one tile wait after declaring riichi 4 turns earlier ?

>>24191799
>https://youtu.be/dKgscpVmeWI
can you explain whats so amazing about what shibukawa did here?

>>24196702
oh nvm its about what hori did, but i still dont understand

>>24191799
how did he declare riichi on a one sided wait for pinfu?

>>24196731
he yomid the fuck out of Shibukawa's hand and pushed the pinzu 46 vs an obvious honitsu
4 is not an atarihai because for that to happen Shibukawa would have had to start calling from a chiitoitsu iishanten or tenpai, which is extremely unlikely, as that's a faster way to earn a lot of points than going for honitsu
Hori wanted to drop the pinzu taatsu because if he held onto the 8s he could potentially get ittsuu+dora, with ura or ippatsu that's a haneman
(also keep in mind that in this ruleset there are no red fives, further decreasing the 46p set's worth)
>>24197632
it's riichi only. you can riichi anything (and in the kyokai ruleset you can even riichi if you have no tsumos left, just a bit of trivia)

anyone wanna play ?

Just started playing Mahjong Soul for the first time yesterday and went on like a 5 game lose streak, how do I even win? I thought pairs and sequences were a safe play?

>>23653754

>>24200298
Guys, join the /jp/ lobby on tenhou.
http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447

>>24211262
i'm in there
think we can get 4 people together?

I'm in. anyone around?

>>24211310
>>24211968
Sorry, took a nap. Everyone is gone now.

>>24212906
I just logged on

2/4
come on, I'm willing to play a game here

maybe next time

o7

are you supposed to riichi even if you are +20k in first on a ryanmen tenpai? i swear i lose these more than i win

>>24217378
No, if you already have a yaku and enough points to make winning pointless, you just want to advance the rounds.

>>24219455
thanks

What would you do? What would you have done?

>>24222798
Richii and wait ?

Here's a dirty one I just did, 2 rounds unexpected massacre
https://game.mahjongsoul.com/?paipu=200613-b1a776ec-4d3f-4fa6-9132-318732fbd1cb_a424596529

Would anyone ITT be up for games in the hour preceding M-league finals tomorrow?

>>24232875
sure, if I don't have to do something else. I'll try to finish my stuff today and then I'll be free tomorrow

>>23653754
>this thread dates back to

I thought /jp/ gave up on mahjong

>>24222798
>1 and 2 pin shabo
Look at the 3pin and 4pin. Of course you riichi. Mangan if tsumo.

>>24235539
I'm a true /jp/ mahjonger and I will only play majsoul if they sponsor me or I get paid in superchats or w/e
>>24222798
the right question to ask is why did you not riichi? instead of telling you the obvious it would help more to know what you thought and tell you where it's wrong

That mahjong game all the vtubers are playing, is it free? I need some anime voices in this hell.

>>24239137
yes, it's Mahjong Soul

>>24239137
>free
its gacha
i don't recommend playing because you'll just end up back in tenhou eventually anyway

5 more hours until m-league finals game 1
https://abema.tv/now-on-air/mahjong

the time has comeeeeeee. nice mentsu

>>24239895
nyaggers get the rope

>>24254576
nyan

>>23653754

Which do you prefer? Kobamisa or Momo?

>>24264151
Nothing against Momo but I'm a Misa fan.

>>24264165
I used to be Momo派 but then slowly shifted to Misa派. Maybe it's just continuous exposure. There"s the fact that she's involved in Tenhou Meijinsen too.

why the fuck did uchikawa remove 13s

>>24264239
I don't know Momo too well but Misa used to be a pro herself, so she has a good understanding of strategy and is able to use that with her co-commentators to be like "do you think x did y because of z?" which is interesting and insightful. She's also good at tracking things like how many winning tiles are left, how many draws are left, what the gyakuten requirements are, and of course hand value calculations.

That said, the main reason I'm a Misa fan is probably just because I've met her in person. She's great, speaks English too.

>>24264341
Momo is a pro, too. Must have been nice to meet Misa!

>no kan
why would you play like such a pussy in the finals?

>Closed kan into 4 dora and rinshan kaihou
I hate playing against Saki in online mahjong

>>24265761
which online mahjong opens kandora before rinshan discard?

>>24265853
I think both mahjong soul and tenhou do that on a closed kan. This happened on mahjong soul.
Only open kans reveal the kandora after teh discard, including those that were upgraded from a pon

>>24266113
huh
i'm pretty sure dora is only revealed after the discard on both of them regardless of what kind of kan it is

>>24265853
>>24266137
Tenhou definitely flips the kandora immediately after a closed kan. I'm not sure there's any prominent rule set where this isn't the case, for that matter.

>>24266137
Check again

>>24266254
>>24266236
huhhhhh
i am stupid af as it turns out
carry on

>>24266337
Meh. Being mistaken about a rule does not stupid make. You're OK, Anon.

>赤さん使えるいいしゃんてん
but thats child abuse

>>24266603
i don't get it

>>24272179
akasan = babby

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2020061702gm-00a9-0000-a9da8741
in south-3 the pei anko drop into riichi is so satisfying to watch

I would probably mess up at the part where he (藤井聡太) dropped 3p on the ippatsu. I have a tendency to go for brainless betaori, something which I should work on.

how do i stop my retarded urge to go for chiitoitsu in every hand and fuck up

>>24278546
get good. when you have a bad habit there's nothing you can do except keep an eye out for the bad habit and think really hard every time there's a situation like that. of course, if you don't construct a solid system in your head, you're gonna have to think really hard every time the same dilemma comes up. you have to think of ways to simplify your thought process, like: is the dora a jihai, what turn is it, how many ryanmens do I have, which hand would be worth more chiitoi or a mentsute. well, just start with a few of those, and gradually pay attention to more and more things as you get better at processing info.
you have to examine your thinking and find where you were mistaken

>hinata making majsoul yt videos
lmao

also, hinata plays a single tonpuusen in the video in the time it takes me to play a hanchan on tenhou.

also why do 1-2 dan niggers always go for stealth Rons and never or very rarely declare riichi?

>>24286683
because then they can fold if someone else riichi

>>24286683
they're stupid. even 5-6 dan people do retarded meaningless dama though, it's insane. I've learned to say "thank you" every time, as it's good for me if they don't riichi

>>24286683
too much dealing in due to declaring riichi because people push like madmen

>>24288140
it's thinking like this that keeps people from becoming good players

Check my homework. Let's say I complete this hand with 2 man

Open mixed triple sequence + 2 dora = 3 han
20 + 2(open triplets) + 2(pair wait) = 24 = 30 fu(rounded)

5800 if ron, 6000 if tsumo, putting me at 30000 pts ending the game.

>>24288301
3:30 is 3900 points, anon

>>24288301
Would be correct if you were dealer.

>>24288338
>>24288512
Thanks. So mahjong scoring isn't as crazy as I thought due to the rounding up rule.

https://note.com/ultrapanda
I enjoyed reading the panda's road to becoming tenhoui.

>>24289890
Are you calculating the score yourself and not using a score sheet?

when do I NOT riichi? like only when I could very plausibly improve my hand in terms of either waits or score?

and how the fuck do I get better in general? I know the yaku and the general rules by this point but I'm generally just doing whatever without any kind of systematic thinking at all. Where do I learn some kind of standard theory of playin good, like which yaku I should be going for given particular starting hands and what kind of playing behaviour I should expect from other players?

Basically all I'm doing is really rough probability/EV calculations and it almost feels like a single player game, but I get the feeling there should be more going on.

>>24295984
>when do I NOT riichi?
Non-dealer & bad wait & no other han
In the lead in S4 & tenpai with yaku
Big lead in S2/S3 & tenpai with yaku & non-dealer
>and how the fuck do I get better in general?
Read RB1 and the other strategy articles
>it almost feels like a single player game, but I get the feeling there should be more going on
At lower levels of play it basically is a single player game, because your opponents will be too unpredictable to worry about and you can easily beat them just by focusing on improving your own skills anyway.

>when do I NOT riichi?
All kinds of situations! When you're more likely to improve your value and/or wait than drawing your win tile, when your hand is expensive enough already, when you don't want to be forced to discard any dora or danger tile you might draw, when you have a yaku and are more concerned with moving the game along than getting a lot of points. Definitely didn't catch everything and none of those are iron rules. Basically there are always a heap of factors to consider but don't worry too much about catching all the nuance immediately.
>and how the fuck do I get better in general?
Play more. Read strategy resources. Review your games. Don't hesitate to post screenshots of situations where you're unsure of what you should have done.

>>24295984
To add to that other anon
When the score doesn't change much and you already have a yaku. For example if you already have a 4han 30fu hand, it's 7700 points, a riichi would just increase the score by 300 points. Even 4han 25fu is already 6400 points, so riichi'ing a 7 pairs hand with two dora is probably not worth it either.

Also keep in mind that a riichi puts opponents on alert for better or worse. Meaning they're more likely to betaori. Depending on your waits, that can also be used to your advantage by riichi'ing or not.

>>24295984
>when do I NOT riichi?
the answer will depend on your rank and the skill of your opponents. no use reading a long list of things you could be paying attention to if your own hand requires all your attention

reviewing your games does not help if you're shit
reading strategy articles is useless if you have bigger problems than "strategy"
what you can do is more important than what you know

>>24297002
>reading strategy articles is useless if you have bigger problems than "strategy"
What bigger problems could there possibly be

>>24297025
Being an incel.

>>24297025
"which yaku I should be going for given particular starting hands"

or being a shit like wakutsu right now lmao

>>24297098
>"which yaku I should be going for given particular starting hands"
This falls under "strategy".

>>24297123
depends on your definition. in a war, strategy is how you move your soldiers in general, not how those soldiers bash the enemy with their swords or the way they should hold their shield in order to stay alive

I think even in chess, people don't call openings, tactics and endgames "strategy".

I guess we could call it "skill" or "craft" or "techne", no idea. I don't really care either. The japanese don't call hand making 戦略 (the people I know) and I think it makes sense

>>24297065
r9k gomenasai leave

im trying to get hime mahjong steam to work for me but its just gets stuck on a loading screen forever. any ideas?

dealt into a shousuushii lmao
still almost got second place but then I dealt into a dama 5800 on like the fourth turn in all last and ended up last

I'll post the paifu tomorrow if anyone cares

HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW YOU RON DODGING NIGGERS
LAST PLACE , LAST ROUND TO FIRST

How in the fuck do you get yaku
I feel like I'm fundamentally doing something wrong; is that what you're supposed to focus on immediately? During a round, when should you know which yaku you're trying for?
Luckily I've gotten out of furiten hell but the first few bot games that's all I was in, now I'm stuck with people speeding to ron in bronze games while I'm sitting there yakuless like a damn idiot

>>24306503
Generally you shouldn't chase yaku. Don't call chii/pon/kan unless you know what yaku you can still go for. Otherwise just keep your hand closed and call riichi when you can.

>>24306503
Keep your hand closed unless you're 1-2 shanten and you know the yaku will keep. You should focus on just making efficient hand shape rather than floating yaku until you're making valid hands consistently.

Any anon up for a Mahjong soul match now?

>>24310718
sure dude
i'm kinda distracted atm but i can play

>>24306527
>>24307318
Thanks, will give that a go.
>>24310776
I've got a conference call but will be free in ~1/2 hour max if you want to play with a novice

>>24310825
I'm this anon >>24310718 here. I can wait 1, 2 hours. When you're ready, just make another post and see if there's any other anon here by then.

>>24310825
check out /mjg/ over at /vg/
they've got a pretty good game learning resource repository going and it's easy to find players for friendly games there

no tsumo boy

>>24310863
>>24310848
Ready; went faster than expected.

>>24310965
>Room #13376
It's a 4 players room, if any anon feels like it, please do join in.

>>24310982
nah, watching m-league

>>24310982
Thanks for the fun games

>>24310982
>that double riichi into ippatsu ron
i'm sorry catbro, the riichi gods willed it to happen

Thanks for the game, you two. Let's play again some day.

>mfw only won 1 match with 1000 point

http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447

2 Anons in 7447.

>>24315809
2:0

>>24316169
3:0 actually

My second ranked match. Am I doing good guys?

>>24316629
get em anon

>>24316629
*ahem* FUCK nyanposters

So are these the full list of options :
mobile gacha
yakuza
tenhou
?

Whats the best book in japanese to improve my betaori game

Feels bad

>>24318860
it's just a question of being really good at the basics + being good at processing the available information. 平澤's yomi book is good for more advanced stuff but that matters a lot less

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwhNnYUXoyQGe0snQnYF2BQ
check out his yt as well

Is there an easy way to learn the fucking yakus? Like the only one I understand is tanyao.

>>24324810
play 1000 games with a yaku sheet next to you

>>24324810
If it looks cool it's a yaku. Noticing patterns is what your brain evolved for, even cave men would be able to figure out all the yakus on their own. More important is knowing which can be open and which have to be closed, to avoid being a no yaku idiot. If you keep your hand closed you'll get a yaku once you get in tenpai anyway.

>>24327137
you don't get a yaku for being in tenpai

>>24327207
Anon is implying that you can riichi.

>>24327293
yeah but what he wrote could easily be misinterpreted by someone who can't "learn the fucking yakus"

>>24324810
Step 1: Learn a few easy ones that you choose from when building (tanyao, yakuhai, toitoi, riichi)
Step 2: Whenever you came across something that looks kinda neat, try to find it on your sheet. For example (half) flush, straight through, same sequence twice, seven pairs, same sequence in all three colours

That way, you steadily build on something you have and after a few dozen games you have a good grasp. For beginners, it's enough to just get one yaku right since the computer handles the rest.
And then, when you have a good grasp on the game, you can start learning about glorious pinfu.

>>24327364
I meant riichi or menzen tsumo.

Just to illustrate look at this. Green are yaku you can't build towards, that are just luck. Orange are upgrades from other yaku that just award more points and black are pretty rare. San ankou is oftentimes also just toitoi, but I doubt a newbie will use san ankou without toitoi as the winning yaku.

You only really need to learn a handful of yaku to win hands, the rest is just for optimization.

>>296386415
>all that fucking money thrown at her
It's not fair I too wished to be born as a japanese femoid.