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>>23087865
Link me up to episode 1

shion

ERIKANTRICE
manifesto:https://pastebin.com/XVrRMWqS
booru:https://erikce.booru.org

Guys i cant endure anymore, i never see so much yurishit in my life.
Literrally who created yuri must be hanged alive, is like the author self insert as a girl that act like a male incel.
Didnt matter how many i read yuri shit become more and more what a fuck.

Ok i express my feeling than is very sad that no one discuss about erikantrice when i was banned sad.
So lets discuss toghether.

Logic error shkanontrice solution didnt had sense.
Why?
Simple because the window was really sealed,erika brain froced her to lie about seal existence to explain kanon exit without erika=kanon.
Remember the fight between gaap and dlanor.
Dlanor laught when gaap said that kanon saved battler.
Gaap said kanon because she know kanon=beatrice
Dlanor laught because she know erika=kanon.

But dont give a shit and image for a moment that the seal really didnt exist.
In this case the logic error didnt had any sense.
The window is open george,shannon,kumasawa and hideyoshi could save battler.
For exit from logic error battler must said one of these for exit from the window and take my place,but in 1000 years inside logic error battler never think about this.
Then why hideyoshi let shannon exit
He suspect about servants after erika said to him that.

Cmon discuss about it

>>23087828
Rethabile is such a pathetic creature.

>>23087865
I wonder if Ryu has the balls to give Naima a slow and painful death in Phase 2. Something on the level of Rosa getting eaten by the spider. I especially want it to include tons of psychological anguish at the prospect of her own death.

Imagine Blueyao pulling her baby and adult teeth out with pliers, one by one, without anesthesia. And then she gets stripped naked as a punishment for pissing herself during the torture. And then all the blood from her toothless mouth mixes with her tears and snot and stains her flat loli chest. And then she shits herself and gets burned alive as a punishment for being such a dirty brat.

Meanwhile, as she burns, screams and begs with a broken voice, completely out of her mind, Blueyao uses his selcom to project a recording of her cutest moments and all the adorable things she used to say. And he jacks off to it, using his P3 talent to alternate between looking at the innocent girl in the video, pathetically, tragically unaware of her horrifying fate, and the lump of human flesh shrieking in pain near him, smelling like shit, piss, vomit and blood. And then he cums because the fact that the cutie in the video actually had the potential for such foul stench and such a grotesque appearance... is just too lewd. Too pathetic and humiliating.

Girls are so cute that any reaction they have is lewd. Especially if it's an uncontrollable reaction from extreme pain or pleasure, because it takes control away from their minds and dehumanizes them. Pathetic! Pulling their teeth out makes them lose their minds in no time!

Fiction allows perverts all over the world to fap to these pathetic creatures, because otherwise seeing such a torture IRL would trigger their sense of empathy and horrify them. Not that it wouldn't be lewd anyway, but the horror and desire to make it stop would make it impossible for that lewdness to register in your dick.

>>23088079
Considering they all have super special brains, I fully expect a horrifying scene where Rethabile is wounded and bleeding heavily, and she asks Miyao to put her out of her misery. Miyao can't bring himself to do it and runs away. She is captured, sent to Takano's lab and dissected alive. She spends a month with her skull left open, not allowed to die until they finish all the experiments, trembling from the pain and fear, constantly aware of the fact that her life is over and her brain has been fucked beyond repair even if someone comes to save her life. She will die in the end.

And instead of dying the glorious death she wanted, she is forever remembered as the princess that died a fucked up death at the hands of psychos who tortured her for a whole month in inhumane ways. That disgusting story is the only thing people will remember about her. Everything else she did in life will be overshadowed by that horrible story!

>>23087682
>Chloe is literally made for humiliation
>humiliation anon focuses on some niggy instead
Why live?

>tfw Ciconia's phases are annual instead of biannual

>>23088079
>ywn see a crazed, screaming, naked Naima peeled like a potato in the factory, her exposed flesh painful to look at
>and yet, this future is guaranteed to happen because it's a prophecy
Cute potatokid! Cute! I wonder what goes on in her mind while the cold, unfeeling machines skin her alive and pay no mind to her desperate begging!

>>23088158
Jesus Christ, dude. I can't possibly sexualize the factory scene because just the concept of it sickens me to my very soul. It's humiliating in hindsight, just like the Satoko scene at the bridge, but while it happens it's absolutely horrifying and leaves no opportunity for the victims to care about shame or embarrassment.

Trannies When They Cry

>>23088158
I think the factory ending is supposed to happen 1000 years into the future. And probably created by aliens.

There is no way a massive factory that extends beyond the horizon, where you can't see the bottom or the top because there is machinery as far as the eye can see, can possibly exist anywhere on Earth during the story.

>>23088250
She is a cute tomboy and jayden isnt gay

>>23088250
Miyao/Meow is a schizo girl with multiple personalities, not a tranny.

Yasu is an eunuch raised as the wrong sex, not a tranny.

There isn't a single tranny in these stories.

>>23088257
Meow said that she only hesitates to reveal her sex because it would also affect Miyao. This wouldn't be the case if Miyao was really a dude.

Miyao gets super defensive about his masculinity and shouts that he's a man at every turn. Suspicious.

They look girly and short as hell for their age. This can't possibly be a man.

Miyao totally has a pussy, which also explains why he's not as perverted as Jayden despite being a WTC protagonist. He's so used to having a pussy that mere female nudity isn't enough to arouse him. And no, it's not because he's gay because he's not gay at all. He seems to like Lingji and Maricarmen.

>>23088291
Being a mentally ill schizo doesn't mean you aren't a lesbian.

>Higurashi
Woman with emotional issues repeatedly massacres fucking everybody while nihilistic autist bitches about fate for a hundred years only to take some responsibility at the last fucking moment.

>Umineko
What you think may or may not have been a dickless tranny kills everybody on a sketchy island that various guro obsessed cosmological entities may or may not have made their personal intellectual circle jerk.

>Ciconia
A bunch of kids with rebellious attitudes and a vent chat are led by a closet gay with multiple personality disorder in an attempt to stop the book of revelations only to realize people are fucking retarded.

In 10 years, the only talk about Ciconia will be debates about Miyao's biological sex.

>>23088302
>Higurashi
>culprit is backed up by a secret society of WW2 era yellow nazis who fund her research and give her power
>culprit takes ideas from the bible and wants to metaphorically turn herself and her grandpa into immortal historical figures like Jesus

>Umineko
>culprit's power comes from the 10 tons of gold she inherited from her fascist Italian grandmother who was technically a nazi
>culprit's motive is related to her belief in a happy afterlife for the Ushiromiyas after they all get bombed, because she spent her childhood in a Christian orphanage that fed her all these religious ideas

The pattern so far indicates that the culprit gets more and more affiliated with nazis in each story and their Christian beliefs become more and more literal as opposed to metaphorical. So what about Ciconia? What we know so far matches this pattern, considering that whoever is plotting to destroy the world is probably a cult of religious nuts literally following the book of revelations.

>>23088380
I think there is something more to this pattern.

Notice how both Takano and Sayo were born normal (we get to see well-adjusted alternate versions of both characters in EP7 and Matsuribayashi) and were turned into absolute wrecks by things that happened to them as young kids.

What if everything Blueyao says is the truth and Miyao is somehow the cause of all the disasters? It would mean that Miyao is the CULPRIT of Ciconia. Which matches the pattern because it's strongly implied that she was born normal but Vier and Toujirou did something to her as a baby to fuck with her developing brain and make her into a schizo with multiple personalities. And then Toujirou had them go through PP training to encourage this brain fuckery even more.

I'm sure we'll see an alternate timeline version of Meow at some point. This would be a version of her with no alters and a proper female name, rather than one of the ridiculous names schizos tend to give to their alters.

Remember that Toujirou only had a kid so he could make them develop multiple personalities and become their adorable tool of murder. He legally named his daughter Miyao because he only cared about the male personality that he was planning to use as a murder program. But he's not a literal program, he's just being used by his father and only exists because they fucked with Meow's brain.

They even bring up the fact that AOU citizens don't need to disclose their gender to anyone except doctors. This is a hint.

>>23088451
Wouldn't it be the opposite way, though? Miyao is well-adjusted in the main story, but he could become a lonely wreck like Yasu and Takano in a world where he didn't have any headmates to talk to. The guy already gets restless on sibling's day because he has none.

>>23088451
It seems like all the other gauntlet knights were selected for being schizos of varying degrees and put through PP training to capitalize on their ability, while Miyao was intended to be a schizo before he was even born. That's why he's the top gauntlet knight in the world. He's not some random naturally born schizo they found, he was made that way intentionally and using every method imaginable to raise his absurd PP levels.

This would make Vier and Toujirou worse than fucking Rosa. Imagine plotting to have a mentally ill kid just to achieve some fucked up goal. Imagine being brought into existence with your life already planned beforehand by two lunatics.

How do I join humiliation anon's chivalric order? I swear to keep the secret.

>>23088265
>Yasu is an eunuch raised as the wrong sex, not a tranny.
This, I know people are usually just trolling when they talk about this, but you have to have really poor reading comprehension or be some kind of idiot to actually think Yasu qualifies as some kind of tranny. And I mean this both for pro-trannies and anti-trannies. Her case is unique and she died before any kind of resolution.

>>23088792
I cant endure anymore
YASU IS A CUTE TOMBOY, HER TITS ARE SMALL BECAUSE SHE IS AN INCEST MONSTER THAT DESTROY HER GENETIC.
in no fucking way nanjo can cut a fucking dick in a fucking island without fucking machines.
Nanjo is a normal doctor who advice pharmaceuticals not a surgeon

>>23088799
If you want to bring "science" to this debate, "incest monsters" don't work like that, especially having so little incest in their family trees.

>>23088342
Hard to say having only 1 Phase out.
>>23088380
Well we don't have WW2 yet but we do have WW3

>>23088799
>Nanjo is a normal doctor who advice pharmaceuticals not a surgeon
And that's exactly why he botched the "surgery" and made her an eunuch.

Rosa!

>>23088820
Reminder Rosa is the only Ushiromiya mom not guilty of murder. She might be a little hard on her daughter but she's objectively a better person.

>>23088807
Parents-children relationship have more than 50% of change to made born a disable.
Remember that in every culture of the world not only western culture that tumbrl hate incest is banned.
From native americans to chinese why?
Because people after some try discover the hard true
He cant made him an eunuch
Without a proper formation yasu wpuld be dead.
Example many babies die during circumcision for bleeding

>>23088817
>>23088910

>>23088852

>>23088852
Umineko characters, from best to worst, morally speaking:
Jessica (unable to realize her bff and crush are the same person, other than that did nothing wrong)
Maria (manipulative autistic kid but a kid after all)
Ange (100% victim, too much of EP4 spent on her though)
George (incel sociopath, slightly dangerous to society)
Battler (decided it was better to larp as an alterego than to meet with her orphan kid sister, dick move)
Krauss (bullied his siblings, not a very good husband, overall nice though)
Rosa (terrible mom, not a murderer in any fragment though)
Natsuhi (murderer, though in a particular, stressful situation)
Hideyoshi (murderer, by accident)
Nanjo (esentially helped directly on ruining two lives)
Kumasawa (esentially helped directly on ruining two lives, even though being the mother figure of both people)
Genji (esentially helped directly on ruining two lives, fully knowing accomplice in all of Yasu's plans in endless fragments)
Sayo (culprit in most fragments, didn't kill anyone in Prime directly but set the scenario, broken and insane though)
Kyrie (cold bloded murderer in Prime)
Eva (murderer "by accident", by revenge and on self defence; more than terrible mother figure, ruined Ange's life; murderer of her own siblings and nephews in at least one fragment)
Rudolf (cold blooded murderer of his own family in Prime)

>>23088980
Forgot Gohda, he's better than Battler and worse than George, since he just bullied Yasu a bit. And obviously Kinzo is at the bottom just by being Kinzo.

>>23088980
Bern is a jerk.

>>23088852
being a bad parent is objectively worse than murder though

Will the new Umineko episode ever get translated to English?

>>23088852
She killed Sagudaro

>>23089135
What new episode?

>>23089402
The one where Battler's mom is a witch named Peace who goes full ahegao with double Peace sign hands while she supports the walls of Peace with both arms.

>>23088980
How would Jessica react if George was exposed as the incel behind humiliation and loli torture posts?

>>23089413
huh?

>>23089454

>>23089433
"The heck is a post"?

>>23089103
sorry about your dad anon

>>23089135
losing hope, is anyone even working on it?

>>23089433
She'd pretend to have an asthma attack

>>23089512
Apparently the guys working on Ciconia said they picked it up but their priority will be Ciconia.

>>23089529
Ciconia is out since 4 months ago though? And Last Note isn't even very long, if I'm not mistaken.

>>23089557
It's a part of the whole two arcs which I believe have new characters so I believe they're gonna translate the whole thing.

>>23089433
How would Jessica react if she knew that George set up spy cams in her bedroom and bathroom and came back months later to retrieve the cams during the conference?

>>23089512
If they do, it will probably be an official release on Steam and not a patch for the original VN. Which means it's worthless.

>>23089591
The only new things are Last Note and Our Confession in VN format. Neither of them are particularly long.

>>23089612
Why worthless? I don't see the problem here.

>>23089952
I don't want to read some shitty steam version modified by Mangagamer, with lower framerate and without dynamic rain. That's why I didn't buy Umineko on steam.

I also don't like having some ugly ass button to change the original sprites to the Steam ones. That ugly shit wasn't in the original and I don't want it.

>>23089992
>and without dynamic rain
Why would they remove the rain sounds?
>I also don't like having some ugly ass button to change the original sprites to the Steam ones.
Am I understanding this right or are you implying that you read WTC without Ryukishi's original sprites? If so then headbutt a fucking knife.

>>23090075
They didn't remove the rain sounds, they removed the rain itself. Instead of atmospheric animated rain falling down, static rain is painted onto the backgrounds. It kills the atmosphere a bit and also makes the outside backgrounds ugly as hell.

>>23090075
How did you even understand that from my post? I'm saying that I don't want some stupid option to replace Ryuukishi's great sprites with actual garbage added to the game. It's just pointless.

>>23090075
This is the worst case of reading comprehension I've seen in years.

>>23090104
That's bollocks. Was there any reason for the modification?
>>23090111
>>23090113
Sorry it's 4am here and I'm suffering from migraine.

I started reading the Higanbana but realized the scanlations died halfway through. Is the VN just a direct translation or do I need to start over from the beginning?

>>23090401
What were you reading? The manga? Just read the VN, and from the beginning of course, since it's just way better and all.

>>23090229
The engine witchhunt used for the steam version doesn't support animated rain and they're too much of hacks to add it themselves.

>>23090075
Umineko Saku uses the same engine as the steam version so your point is moot.

>>23090401
The manga is garbage, read the VN.

the human condition of humiliation anon

Ushiromiya Jessica's golden hairy pussy.

>>23093550
UUOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOUUUUUUUUUU YOU MONSTEEEEEEEEEEEEEER I'LL NEVER ACKNOWLEDGE YOU NEVER, NOT AS LONG AS I BREATH
ANONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

>>23093550
now this I can believe in

It amazes me how Ryukishi was able to write stuff as bad as EP6 and EP8 after the greatness of EP5 and EP7

>>23094254
Get mad because no one find out erika=kanon

>>23088001
italianon are you still reading subahibi?

>>23094376
Yes just slow
Read in english is difficult + yuri is a pain.
Dont worry give me time to pass chapter 1 then i will read fast if mystery is interesting

>>23094418
hello is it true that your name is fabio and you're fat and bald & proud?

>>23094418
Just have https://context.reverso.net opened in the browser and quickly alt-tab beetween that and the vn window when you don't understand something.

Why did we abandon the path of our ancestors, walking with their dicks proudly dangling against the wind.
Why did Humanity choose shame and humiliation?

>>23094887
Some countries are a lot colder than greece and italy

a loooot

>>23088252
Could be it's underground?

>>23088252
I think the main theory is that it already happened to all of humanity, and now the world they live in is vr

>>23094865
How a fuck i am suppose to deny this?
Then i am stupid? What a fuck is happened?
The only solution is
Zakuro,the sister even yuki didnt exist
The real mc is a male who think to be female and have female friends to satisfay his fantasy.
No one exist is all in MC mind.

>>23094887
Because that’s degeneracy. Civilized humans are way above acting like animals anymore.

>>23094865
>>23094376
ok guys i reach down of the rabbit whole 2.
and i didnt understand anything.
maybe is too difficult for me.
i thought was a mystery to deny but is just fantasy.
a fucking gigant train, well how i can explain this without its all meta?
someone can explaine to me what a fuck is happened or its explain later?
so big answare i finish chapter 1? or i finihs only the first part of chapter 1

now and then

>>23093550
natural > triangle > arrow > brazilian > heart > strip

I am 3 hours in. I don't know anything and I won't read the thread. Something tells me that either of George (too much of a good guy), Hideyoshi (too normal) or Natsuhi will die first.

Is there a way to unlock a Music mode for Ciconia?

>>23099727
Ya, it's called unpacking the .arc

A friend is reading EP2 and I realized how "Kinzo" (Yasu) was seen writing a will for some reason, a "record of his games". When Genji takes Battler to the study and he "learns everything", I believe he might have read some kind of confession from the now dead Sayo. That would be an explanation to the magic scene I didn't think about before at least.

>>23096213
its not fantasy all can be solved without magic and the culprit is human

>>23100568
Are you denying the fantasy part of Umineko? Magic exists, don't be a retard.

>>23100630
umineko is pure mystery and theres no magic

>>23100644
Are you aware of what you're saying? Denying the fantasy in Umineko means you also denying the events that happened in Higurashi. You're denying the existence of Kakera of which both Rika and Bern have been through in their respective VNs. Magic does exist.

>The golden land with everyone being happy and nice to each other for no reason is supposed to be creepy and an outright lie, made for tricking Battler
>The golden land at the end of EP6 and during EP8 is supposed to be the actual thing, and a good thing
>It's exactly the same
The biggest failure of Umineko in my opinion

>>23100315
That makes sense. The Kinzo in the early episodes represents Yasu but his characterization as "Kinzo" also shows that Yasu doesn't understand him. That's why he's portrayed as an incomprehensible madman.

The scene where Battler gets drunk is always explained away as "Battler imagined the whole thing because he's drunk" by brainlets. But that makes no sense. The real answer is that meta Battler has given up and Beatrice can now do whatever she wants with the story. Piece Battler's perspective is no longer objective, so his point of view can be adorned by fantasy bullshit. Doesn't mean he literally hallucinated anything.

>>23100682
the mystery in umineko can be solved without magic and higurashi is scifi which isnt fantasy and there are only upper dimensions in both which could exist in real life because at least 4 dimensions exist

>>23100803
>higurashi is scifi

>>23100811
a parasite which controls an entire village is completely possible and theres nothing else in the higurashi mystery which looks like fantasy

>>23100803
>higurashi is scifi

>>23100803
>higurashi is scifi

>>23100803
>higurashi is scifi

>>23094451
>>23095875
hi this is aya or cringe... your friend from discord why did you disappear and are you really castrated????
please REPLY

If you don't reply to this post I WILL CALL YOUR UNIVERSITY AND TELL THEM YOURE RACIST IM NOT JOKEING IM VERY DESPERATE

why did >>23100952 image get deleted like its literally just a battler edit of the based frog

>>23088980
Krauss is a great husband faggot

>>23100803
>higurashi is scifi

>>23100815
Have you read Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi?
Higurashi is half science-fiction, half fantasy. Mainly sci-fi, yes, but are ignoring the fantasy part around Rika?

>>23101225
what is sci-fi in Higurashi?

>>23101003
Based mod
Death to frogs!

>>23100803
>higurashi is scifi

Why does Naima's gauntlet include an armpit-snake?

>>23101225
I mean... Hanyuu is heavily implied to be a fifth dimensional alien. It just looks like magic because it's so out there.

>>23100815
>a parasite which controls an entire village
It doesn't control shit, this is not RE4. It just makes the villagers sick if they don't humor the parasite.

>>23101461
You know, if you want to, you could say every "fantasy" story is actually "scifi" since it just works with scientific rules we might not be aware of. But it's just insincere to say that what is for all practical means a spirit thingy who can travel through realities and also sometimes manifest a body is "scifi".

>>23100803
>higurashi is scifi

>>23100803
>higurashi is scifi

While Higurashi has magic, all of the major events of the story revolve around the research and effects of a fictional virus. This is science fiction.

>>23101541
You mean mystery and psychological thriller/horror. The virus was only mentioned at the end parts of the VN, you’re ignoring everything else.

>>23101584
The reveal of the cause of the paranoia being at the end of the story doesn't make it not science fiction. Shion gets Takano's notes in EP5. Keiichi goes to the doctor and is suspected to have it in EP3. While we don't know what exactly is going on, these are clearly not fantasy elements.

I've been thinking about the families of the Ciconia characters...

Miyao appears to be a test tube baby that Toujirou and Vier modified to give him a CPP brain. This is implied at the very end of the post-credits scene. I also think Miyao is female and their biological kid.

Jayden has several dozens of factory siblings he meets every month (some of which are physically living in Japan) and they are irrelevant.

Gunhild is supposedly another factory kid but she's only close to a couple of her sisters. She doesn't seem to give much of a fuck about the rest, because she meets them in virtual rooms and has a good time, but also talks about how they'll die poor and fat in the slums of their home country. She also seems to be faking her age along with her actual military rank, because her Monster Party sister and Maja are clearly adults older than her, which doesn't make sense because they were all born in the same factory on the same day. She and Maja also have different last names, which implies that factory kids just get random last names and are only "siblings" because they grew up together, but legally they are considered unrelated individuals.

Lilja seems to be a factory kid, but her siblings probably cut off all contact when she got sentenced to death for killing that military big shot. And she probably has no time to meet any of them either because she's being experimented on when she's off duty and doesn't get to walk around freely during her free time (we only see the Warcats walking around town, we never see Koshka or Lilja walking free, only eating in the military cafeteria between training sessions).

Koshka seems to be in a similar situation, but she probably has no relation with her siblings to begin with because she's a loner and kind of a dick. I'm suspecting that she was framed for her "crime" as an excuse to study her brain and force her to become a gauntlet knight, though.

Chloe appears to be a factory kid too, but I bet she was bullied growing up (which explains her personality) and wants nothing to do with her siblings. But she may be faking her real origins.

Rethabile is weird because she's the 21st in line to the throne. And she's a princess, so she can't possibly be from a branch family or anything. She has to be a direct daughter of the king. And yet, there are 20 people who are above her in the succession line. Those people have to be direct descendants of the king too, so every single one of those 20 people are her brothers and sisters. How the actual fuck can a couple have 20+ kids? This suggests that the king and queen are using baby factories (the ACR and the AOU use them) to produce genetically superior children and add them to the royal family. Furthermore, all of her siblings are supposedly talented gauntlet knights but only Rethabile has been seen flying in the public eye. This means that it's all propaganda and she's the only one with the guts to actually use a gauntlet.

Naima is probably an abandoned child that was left in the care of the church as a baby. But they quickly scanned her brain, noticed she was a supergenius, and sent her to a "monastery of peace" (ABN euphemism for a military research facility). They must have trained her mercilessly to maximize her potential, giving her a bunch of drugs to manually switch into alters. She doesn't seem too capable of interacting with them on her own.

Jestress is probably a young clone of Vier Dreissig, who is dead and her brain was uploaded to wherever that "underground research facility" is located. She could also be Toujirou's other daughter. Or maybe even Meow wearing a disguise. Either way, Jestress and Miyao have the exact SAME face.

>>23101470
Not really. Hanyuu is meant to be an existence above our scientific understanding. On the other hand, Beato (the fictional character Yasu made up) is 100% magical and there is no rhyme or reason to her magic. She can just do anything because it's magic. This is not the case with Hanyuu, even if we can never find out how she works because the very plane of her existence is out of our reach.

>>23101541
It's pretty interesting how nothing physically impossible ever happens in Higurashi (outside Rika's bullet miracle). And yet, many of the "physically possible" things that happen ONLY happened because Rika had magical knowledge that she couldn't possibly have obtained without magic. It's really cool.

The events of Matsuribayashi would be impossible if Rika didn't magically know that she would be killed and had no idea that Takano was up to something. And despite that, her actions and words are technically possible because they don't require magic.

>>23101598
I do think Gunhild is totally faking her age. There is really compelling evidence for it.

>>23101598
I wonder why only Miyao gets a last name in the character profiles. Every other character profile has only their first name. I wonder if this means something.

We eventually learn the last names of Gunhild, Lilja, Chloe, Rethabile and Lingji. The rest are a complete mystery. It's also possible that some of the characters are secretly part of some family and are lying about their birth.

Andry is also weird because he says something about how he was supposed to be in another faction but things happened and he's now in the COU. What's up with that? Was he born somewhere else and moved to Madagascar or is there something more sinister going on? Is he the spy?

>>23101656
Momotake is probably the guy's last name. I doubt an old fashioned Jap would go along with the western custom of being referred to by your first name.

>>23100774
This is the main reason I dislike EP8 honestly. Not the lack of actual answers for some stuff, nor Tohya, nor Ange, nor Yasu nor anything of that sort. But the fact that, sadly, everyone getting along and being so nice in a golden land is impossible. It would be cool, but it goes against what half of the characters are.
The fact that there's virtually no difference between EP3's and EP8's is terrible too, of course. It almost feels as if Battler should had surrendered after all.

>>23101656
There is a plot point about how Madagascar should be from another faction (ACR I think?), I don't remember very well but it is said in the game itself

>>23101672
>everyone getting along and being so nice in a golden land is impossible. It would be cool, but it goes against what half of the characters are
How does this ruin anything? That's the whole point, it's all in Ange's head. She's choosing to lie to herself and view her family in a positive way. They are not REALLY getting along in any sort of afterlife, that's just how Ange views it. So their real personalities don't really matter here.

None of them exist outside Ange's memories anymore, so it makes sense that she can shape them into whatever she desires.

>>23101672
>there's virtually no difference between EP3's and EP8's
EP3 Battler doesn't understand anything about Beato, so she couldn't let him win here. The whole point of the gameboard was for Battler to figure out her identity by his own power.

EP8 Battler understands everything and the purpose of the gameboards has been fulfilled. He is also in charge now after the OG Beato died, so it's a totally different situation. This Golden Land is for Ange, not for Battler.

>>23101598
I think everything in Phase 1 is happening in VR after the factory ending. But that doesn't mean the characters' lives and backstories are fake. They all existed as themselves before being brain in jar'd.

>>23088302
>>23088380
>>23088451
>>23088505
>Higurashi
Everything is brain parasites

>Umineko
Everything is happening in Tohya's fucked up brain.

>Ciconia
Everyone is a brain in a jar.

>>23101688
Well, without denying Ange's stuff, I just can't help but want EP8 to make sense with the meta narrative Umineko has since EP2. Since Umineko is obviously multi layered, when what was for most of the series the main layer gets a treatment I find it contradicts itself, I find myself disliking it a lot.
Also, although I'm not saying it doesn't work for Ange, the "reminding only the good of people" should be as bad as "reminding only the bad side of people", according to what I interpret Umineko was trying to say most of the time anyways: you have to understand all sides of a person to truly understand them.
>>23101713
I believe Beato didn't let him win not only because he didn't understand her yet, but more than that, because that golden land was a lie. The golden land is death after all. And it's still a lie in EP8.

What do you guys think about the theory that RGD's narration was even more unreliable than Umineko's? Isn't it suspicious that the story is framed as a tale of the past that Madam Jeanne is telling to someone in the present?

Isn't it convenient that the long, drawn out gunfights always end without a few casualties on either side? I think most of the story is truthful, but at the end of they day it was a group of ultra nationalists who didn't mind sacrificing human lives for the sake of preserving Japanese culture. Very beautiful ideals, but they are still ruining lives and murdering people.

Most of RGD was narrated by a mob boss who wanted to paint Rose and the rest in a good light and/or had been fed embellishments of the real truth. It's probably the most unreliable narration in all of R07's works. Leo's hotel fight was exaggerated to make him into a legend, and I bet lots of random mobsters were murdered during the gunfights. But she wouldn't tell that part because it would make her nationalist mafia look bad.

Hell, what if Rose never even existed and it's just Jeanne and Wayne trying to create a fictional character and make people believe in her existence? Rose is their furniture.

>>23101730
Meta narrative is inconsistent by its very nature. As soon as Dlanor, Erika, Will and other mystery characters are introduced, it's clear that we have shifted from the fantasy narrative of EP1 - EP4 to a self-aware narrative that acknowledges itself as a mystery story written by real life authors. And then it shifts again to become a reflection of people's thoughts and consensus on what happened on Rokkenjima, which Ange has to fight against and eventually create her own truth.

I see nothing wrong with it. It's a very intentional move by Ryuukishi. Everything pre-Chiru can be interpreted as a fantasy story that makes "internal sense", but Chiru makes a point to break free from that and get closer to the truth. If you accept fantasy, EP1 - EP4 Gaap is meant to be a demon that shops in Hell and shit. Beato is meant to be a thousand year old witch with a long history of visiting other fragments and universes and taking part in countless witch games. But Chiru makes a point to expose even this fantasy layer as a metaphor, revealing that Virgilia was never a real witch even within the meta, Gaap was created by a young Yasu even within the meta, and Beato evolved from Yasu even within the meta.

Chiru shifts from a "fantasy - non-fantasy" setup to a "metaphorical - mystery novel" one. That's the point. The meta narrative of the second half is not meant to fully make sense with the fantasy narrative of the first half. Chiru is openly metaphorical, while everything pre-Chiru makes sense as a fantasy story with proper magical lore and shit.

Give this a read, these posts explained it perfectly:

>>/jp/thread/S22925299#p22977052

>>/jp/thread/S22925299#p22977092

>>/jp/thread/S22925299#p22977125

Basically, in the fantasy side, you are meant to believe that Beatrice's magical explanations, lore, her friends, the demons, the magic toxin, and everything else makes sense as a whole. By Chiru, though, all of that is revealed to be a lie and you get characters like Dlanor, who are living embodiments of 19th century mystery rules that come from Heaven. That shit is intentionally ridiculous and nonsensical, unlike Gaap or Virgilia who could easily be part of a fantasy story and make sense as magical creatures that come from their own worlds.

So I think Chiru is amazing, but the question arcs are really interesting as a fantasy and nobody appreciates the magical lore enough.

>>23101764
I certainly didn't expect Rose's little whorehouse to end up as a fucking mafia cutting people's fingers off. Tomitake expy was a savage, holy shit.

>>23101764
Just how hairy is Meryl's 40s pussy?

>>23101622
Maybe you could say that the miracle kakera is really just one where a young child is able to uncover a massive conspiracy all by herself and work together with her friends to save everyone.

>>23101832
Tomitake is a legit nice guy, but he becomes more evil over time.

His Umineko expy is an incel that hid the letter so he could cuck his elementary school aged cousin and groom his loli gf.

His Higanbana expy drove a loli classmate to suicide through humiliation.

His RGD expy is a fucking ruthless fedora-wearing mafioso.

His Ciconia expy is literally attempting to end humanity by manipulating his own son.

The weirdest thing is that Tomitake is meant to be a representation of Ryukishi himself. They look the same, wear the same silly hat and walk around Hinamizawa with a camera to take pictures for his VN backgrounds.

Tomitake is more of a self-insert than Featherine. And he keeps getting more and more evil in each installment, so what is Ryu trying to tell us?

>>23101871
Not just that, she also dreamed up the whole conspiracy and many obscure details about it, believed every single one of her own delusions and happened to predict future events by pure luck on her first try, which helped her convince several adults to get involved. She also guessed things about several people's private lives that she couldn't possibly know, all on her first try because she got lucky.

And all of that just happened to fit perfectly with a real conspiracy that was actually taking place at the time.

>>23101888
1. George didn't hit the letter, he doesn't have the balls to risk that and get found out when Battler asks Kyrie about Shannon's reaction to his letter

2. It's not TRUE humiliation without nudity

3. Fuck you, fedoras were cool at the time

>>23101918
The craziest thing is that none of that is physically impossible given endless parallel universes. It's more likely than the monkey on a typewriter thing.

>still no video of Gunhild singing caramelldansen

>>23100803
>higurashi is scifi

>>23101598
>How the actual fuck can a couple have 20+ kids?
You're implying that the King only had one Queen. If history is to teach you anything, is that Kings go through Queens like tissue paper. No biological limits on males either, so keep the women coming (heh) and you'll pump out those 21 easily.

>>23101677
Yep, the Mozambique Channel dispute. Madagascar is AOU when it should belong to the ACR out of mere proximity.

You can probably guess which is Madagascar out of this picture.

>>23101951
With the bunny ear motion? You're going to need an artist for that.

Anyone working on a Trianthology translation?
Is it even worth translating? I don't think I've ever seen anyone discuss it.

>>23102150
The spoilers I've read sound really interesting. I think the premise is that Alice is a witch on the level of Lambda and Bern and she's materializing as a real person in three different fragments to influence the story. One of them sounds really cool because it's apparently a slice of life romance taking place in a rural village.

Incarnating as a real person with an entire backstory and even family is probably what other witches do in their spare time and what Featherine did to become Ikuko and bump into Battler so she could participate in the story from the privileged position of the author. She just made up a backstory for her human avatar and made it all real in the fragment. Ikuko probably has no idea that she's actually a witch and everything about her has been decided beforehand... by herself.

Sounds pretty interesting as an expansion of the witch lore.

>>23088079
Naima has a pathetic loli arse.

>>23101598
How old even is everyone? Gunhild must be like 19 or 20 and she's pretending to be a high schooler, which is pretty hot for some reason. Naima appears to be 10 or 11. And Gannet is most likely 13 according to her bio description, so she probably has a lewd hairy pussy that has never been shaved before and cute little tits under that dress.

>>23102307
Mariana will turn out to be the Rena expy. Or at least one of her alters will be. She'll make Rena faces straight out of Higurashi and omochikaeri the loli.

Miyao is a fucking schizo and belongs in a mental institution.

>>23102307
Gunhild grew up in the slums, that's why she has no arse. Tits are genetic, but a starving loli will grow up to have a flat arse.

Once again, Ryuukishi gives us hints through the sprites. Watch the console versions give her a nice ass just like they flattened Satoko and removed the autism from Maria's face.

walls

>>23102395
The walls of peace are the main character of every era, so it's only natural that they fell like puppets with their strings cut.

>>23102395
of?

>>23088108
Chloe is Zakuro all over again. I want to invite her to karaoke.

>>23102373
Gunhild has more dignity than Chloe because her pathetic fartbox doesn't stand out as much.

>>23102395
of Jericho?

>>23102292
Naima is so cute, and yet she's such a stupid ass human! A hairless ape! She isn't cute at all compared to a puppy or a chick! And unlike other animals, she's capable of doing terrible things and having vile emotions such as anger or jealousy! Pathetic! Humans should be exterminated, and cute lolis are no exception!

Uuuu-uuuu! Mii~ WALLS OF PEACE meowmeow :3 nippah~ don't die don't kill auauauau wowowowow~ walls meow of meow peace meowmeowmeow uuuuuuu nano desu~! uuuuuoooohhhh


wowowowo walls of peace uuuu-uuu nipah meowmeow *sparkle* au-au-au don't die don't kill meow

Anyone have HQ screenshots of Higurashi without the text (preferably if any of the girls are on yandere mode)?

>>23102669
just extract the sprites and backgrounds then open up photoshop and layer them on

>>23102282
Damn, if it explores that stuff I'd love to read it. The only other example we have is Lambda in Hotarubi, but it's not really explored at all. Lambda isn't even in the manga itself, only in the short story-prologue.

>>23102355
Like all Gauntlet knights

>>23101825
>The meta narrative of the second half is not meant to fully make sense with the fantasy narrative of the first half.
I know you're right, but I'll probably never be able to like something like this. And admitedly, even if all this hard meta stuff was there since Chiru (and actually even since before), it's only in EP8 were I feel it takes all the space to the point of making me feel I'm reading something inconsistent. EP5-7 make total sense with all before it in every layer. It's EP8 were now everything is fiction - or should I say, since everything was fiction since before but we were told to care for it - were everything is fiction so we should not care about it as much as we should care for Ange, or so EP8 seems to tell us. Not like Ange isn't fiction for us anyways. But EP8 sacrifices everything before it for the ultimate meta truth and the Ange message. That's how I see it anyways. Like, there were a lot of ways of making something similar without it being... EP8. The episode were all the complex characters we knew are reduced to cardbox pieces - sans Ange and some other selected characters I guess.

>>23102355
I think they can give him some pills to kill Meow and Blueyao one by one. Scary stuff.

>>23102679
Isn't it easier to just hide the text and take a screenshot? The original VN lets you do that, unlike Mangagamer's shitty engine that forces an ugly blue UI on the bottom right of the screen at all times.

>>23102786
I think it's meant to make a point about the limit of our extent to understand others. It can already be hard to understand another person. Look how hard Battler has to work to understand Beatrice.
Now let's make that even harder: you have to understand people when you're only six years old, have only met them about once a year, they all act differently toward you (both because you're a child and because of the time and place you're meeting them), and also they were all dead as a result of some sort of mass murder/accident for which some or all might at least be party responsible.
When Battler tells Ange to just remember their simple and good aspects, he's doing her a greater favor than you understand. It would be both painful and fruitless to attempt to learn any more about them.

>not Pepe that comes preinstalled with every selcom constantly discloses your personal info to other people and can't be deleted
>jew squad promoting gay shit
>said jew squad exists solely to stab allies they deem untrustworthy in the back
>illuminati
>europe and muslims joining together
>people on the internet hyping up the next happening
>talking shit about other people's religion, gender or culture can get you in jail
>60% of gauntlet knights are schizos with several genders
Jesus christ, did Ryukishi spend several years on /pol/ before writing this?

>>23102877
Is this the path society is heading for?

Why do 80% of the readers come to the immediate conclusion that Jestress isis chasing Koshka at the end? Seriously, what exactly makes them think this? It's never even implied in any way. If anything, the text makes it clear that Koshka just went nuts on the military officials and Jestress is chasing somebody else in a completely different location.

Hell, Koshka was sent to the same battlefield as Miyao. They are above the desolate glass sea and there isn't a drop of water in sight. Meanwhile, Jestress is chasing someone over an actual sea of water, so they can't possibly be in the same scene together unless Koshka can move at the fucking speed of light and reach the other side of the world in a couple hours.

Are they just speedreaders?

>>23102920
I've seen self-proclaimed non-speedreaders completely miss the fact that Chloe killed Lilja, even though the text clearly describes what's happening. They just glossed over it without noticing anything. Speedreaders never realize what they are doing, it's a dunning kruger thing.

>>23087865
Where the fuck is this from? A hentai doujin?

>>23102857
I mean, I agree it IS the best for Ange. I just don't think it's the best for the story we were being told until that point.

>>23102952
Ange totally overtayed her welcome. Her journey in EP4 feels so complete the rest of her appareances seem redundant.

>>23088505
Weaponized mental illness and strike witches: the VN.

>>23102960
Ange is the best and EP5 sucks because she's not in it.

>>23102551
Fuck off. Little girls are humanity's greatest achievement and deserve to live. Bullies deserve to have their cunnies impaled to death, though.

imagine being ange's guard at the end of episode 3 and having this 18 year old girl on top a skyscraper acting chunni yelling broken english at you right before killing herself in front of you

>>23102960
Ange post ep 4 feels like she's one of the many factors that makes umineko sort of lose focus.

>>23088291
>They look girly and short as hell for their age. This can't possibly be a man.
LUL
Guys it's just unspecified and will probably remain that unless it'll be important, but I doubt it since they even went as far as mentioning male pregnancies. Just have your own headcanon and don't be an ass over it, though I guess it can still be considered a "theory" right now.

>>23102952
The characters you enjoyed reading about don't become any less interesting or entertaining just because they're fictional in-story. After all, they're fictional in real life too.

>>23102292
There's literally nothing wrong with Naima having a butt

>>23104817
anon...

>>23103519
My problem is not that they are fictional, it's that they are fictional and that equals to them being oversimplified in EP8 alone

>>23102965
What kind of contrarian doesn't have EP5 in his top 3 at least

>>23103057
Ange a cringe!

>Top Tier
Tsumihoroboshi, EP3, EP5
>High Tier
Onikakushi, Meakashi, Minagoroshi, EP1, EP7
>Mid Tier
Watanagashi, Tatarigoroshi, Matsuribayashi, EP2, EP4, Phase 1
>Low Tier
Himatsubushi, EP6, EP8

Why do people use the name of the chapters for Higurashi but not for Umineko

>>23105881
reddit influence

>>23105677
All the odd episodes aside from EP1 have boring ass epitaph sections. They might be more spectacular, but they are kinda dry. I prefer 2, 4, 6 and 8. They are more comfy and love-focused and offer a lot more on a reread.

>>23105881
BATTLER'D

U R MR GAY

>>23088079
What is it about Naima that makes the idea of her being tortured so appealing?

>>23105912
Iraqis are insufferable.

I wonder if one of Mariana's personalities will eventually beat the rest and take full control.

>>23105881
Because Umineko episodes include the number of episode in their names. They are called, for example, Episode 1: Legend of the Golden Witch. So you can easily call them EP1 or Legend interchangeably. Higurashi wasn't named like that, its episodes are more like, Onikakushi-hen, Watanagashi-hen, since "hen" already means "chapter". But they aren't actually called Chapter 1 or Chapter 2. So there's that.
>>23106133
Hope not, she'd stop being autistic

>>23102920
Koshka!!!

>>23106169
What if all her personalities merge together into one super-autist?

>>23106330
Final boss hyper autist merged Mariana sounds pretty cool

>>23105881
Because Umineko's arcs are named in Episodes (in English), while Higurashi's arcs all end in -hen or chapter.

>>23105881
Aliens.

Would society improve if we started going out naked and adopted bonobo way to stress relieving?

>>23106876
Yes.

>>23106876
If everyone was forced to walk around naked, it would be great for like a few decades. After that, it would be a terrible world where humiliation doesn't exist because nobody knows what clothes even are.

>>23107812
Sounds perfect

>>23105881
Too long

>>23088250
>Trannies When They Cry
So, Umineko?

When the trannies get triggerino

I got a friend to start reading umineko, but it's been years since I read it, what is the proper way to interact with someone that just started reading it without spoiling him, how can I be a proper Featherine, what did you guys do in this situation

>>23108320
Dont spoil, give big hints, or tell them if theyre right or wrong. Pretty basic.
Toy with their thinking, not their answers.
Honestly what you should be doing with everything, not just Umineko.

>>23108364
>>23108320
Forgot to add, but since it's been years since you read it, just ctrl skim through the episode theyre on to remind yourself and stay fresh. Chapter select makes it really easy.

>>23108320
Hear out any theories they may have without confirming or denying. What you can do is remind them of certain facts that have already been presented that may support or contradict their ideas, whther they be right or not.

ciconia shmup when?

>>23107812
We could still wear them as a form of body decoration

>>23108952
A fighting game would be better.
The game mechanics practically design themselves with how gauntlets work.

fellas?

>>23109226
imagine licking all 6 of her toes haha

Does anyone have a nice quality vectorized image of the one-winged eagle crest?

Miotsukushi is out.

Was this guy stronger than the legendary Leo?

>Without love it cannot be seen.
>It's what she said.
>But let me tell you.
>There's love in everybody's heart.
>Unfortunately she couldn't see this.
bros...

>>23109226
Soulless.

>>23101764
Why exactly is RGD so unpopular? I enjoyed every second of it.

Even shitty meme VNs have some sort of fanbase, so why is such a good one completely ignored even by fans?

>>23087865
I want to try to explain umineko to a friend or at least the way it's structured so I made this rough sketch, I don't remember everything about the story so there are probabbly mistakes or better ones out there, I wanted to know what you guys thought, what should i change or if i should scrap it

>>23111064

>>23088792
you're a dumb fuck who didnt read the VN

>>23101764
"Leo" isn't a person, he is a representation of a fascist death squad that rose bought
>>23110841
onions sauce
too different from wtc, higanbana is closer

>>23109353
FINALLY
>>23109448
No one is

>>23110841
I don't think it was played by many non-Ryukishi fans, and Ryukishi fans tend to prefer his other works, I guess.

>>23111536
no u

>>23110841
Even Ciconia is unpopular as fuck.

If it doesn't get an anime, it's impossible for a 07thExpansion novel to become popular, no matter how good. It must get one first, even if it's total garbage.

When They Lift

>>23109171
>Fighting """"""""""""''games""""""""""""
Fuck that bullshit. We need a Ciconia game akin to Dragon Ball or Gundam.

>>23109353
>>23111596
I'm not very informed about the ports. Is this the PS3 version? Are all the chapters playable in English now? Is it easy to make them work?

>>23111596
He did win the 1vs1 though

>>23101764
The person that narrates RGD wasn't even present for most of it.

>>23088079
>>23101395
>>23102645
>those distorted images
I don't get it, is this supposed to be amusing or something?

>>23101941
Well, remember how Bern bitched about how she was stuck for an eternity in some sort of hell (I think it was a logic error?) until she randomly typed the solution in a miraculous manner?

>>23113272
Do you want a simple dismissive answer? Distorted images, like some other memes, don’t convey an idea, but an emotion. It’s not something that be distinctly put into words, but you understand the feeling they portray. Generally, just one of those things that you understand but can’t explain. So, don’t think about it.
Do you want an in-depth answer?
The first one is distorted in a way as to make her look smug, and it emphasizes that look. It also makes her appear as though she’s looking down at you, further adding to the mocking nature.
The second one is mirrored at the center and stretched horizontally. The mirroring helps replicate the facial features of FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome) and stereotypical features in art portraying a stupid person. The stretching goes into physiological effects of different film lenses. Long lenses make people look more attractive and smarter, and short lenses do the opposite. The stretching effect on this image is like it’s being viewed through a short camera lens at the wrong distance which makes the face look wider, and emphasizes the FAS-like qualities, ie looking retarded to mock the person being replied to.
The third image’s distortion invokes the image of a crying baby. The emphasis on the mouth means the cries are really loud. The wavy effect is like the wails are creating sound waves that are so strong that you can see them rippling, thus distorting your view of what’s behind them.

>>23113590
Well, I think it looks dumb.

>>23113614
k

>>23113630
.

What did Keropoyo/Vier mean by "it's not time for you to wake up yet"?

Why does Blueyao act like a sadistic prick if he's in the right and wants to stop the disasters?

>>23113934
We will never know because Phase 2 never

>>23087865
What do Naima's feet smell like?

>>23114931
whatever they smell like, I'm sure I'll go wowowoWOowoWOWOWOOW wow

>>23102282
>>23102733
it's strictly a red herring, though, including the direct references to Beato. Alice isn't really a witch, The Rabbit is pretty much the villain of the story who holds Alice's trial at the end of the game and Alice is just a suicidal girl holed up in her room with her computer that hangs herself at the end to go be with the characters from the three stories though the ending is a little open and it isn't clear if someone didn't get to her in time since we see her door open in the final shot

>>23088820
Is best girl!

>>23112809
The original chapters + like three new ones are being released on Steam (currently 1-7 are out), the 07th Mod project adds the PS3 voices and graphics to them (and also to Umineko), with an easy to use installer. They also translated and ported arcs exclusive to console versions - this Miotsukushi is the PS2/Matsuri version of the arc, with DS/Kizuna coming somewhere in the future.

>>23109353

>>23115812
>410 expy is the villain
Now I gotta read this

>>23115812
what the fuck

>>23117956
>Eternal Floette's data are in Pokemon HOME

>>23102877
Yea, Ryukishi really seems to be capturing the cultural zeitgeist of the internet age with this one, and I can't wait to see him focus more on the COU or ABN in the future. It's amazing to see people try to defend whatever dystopian hellhole they happen to be politically aligned with.

>>23115812
I don't know if you're just trolling, but that has to be the most Ryukishi ending I've ever heard.

cum on chloe

>>23119054
I also thing the whole thing is fairly well timed and executed and people flipping out is just proof of it. Sadly that also means Ciconia will be orders of magnitude above the other WTC novels when it comes to attracting shitposters.

>>23120518
all other games also attracted shitposters, just different kinds: Higu had secondaries being (rightfully) confused and ruining discussion, Umi had a ton of contrarian theorists (imagine our resident, only times at least fifty) closed to any common sense, storks will get all variants of /pol/posters pulling screencaps out of context
you get used to it.jpg

would you?

Who is this OC slut, why was she added in the incoming pachinko game?

>Kizuna's Angelic Bright OP had Akasaka added for Hou
lmao never noticed that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nVt_-RJFj4 compared to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2FnAOw5ZCc (1:13)

>>23121834
fucking hell enough already, the Hou scenario is already jumping the shark by leaping into orbit, who the fuck even could that be

>>23122008
Why do alchemist Higurashi CGs make everyone look so fucking ugly and deformed? And why do people choose this shit over the original art anyway?

>>23122446
>And why do people choose this shit over the original art anyway?
Newfags and plebs whose first WTC was Umineko (the anime) and most of them never played Higurashi.

Did the Ciconia update from a few months ago remove those arrows from Naomi's profile or add a flag in the background of Lingji's profile?

If those things are still there, they could actually mean something.

What exactly are these "anti-gauntlet" weapons they mention during the ending scenes?

Regarding the human processing plant...

The surface explanation is that the purpose of the plant is to release humanity from their cages of flesh, presumably to live in some sort of virtual/spiritual world. I think that that's not the full story. After all, many other stories have this same concept played out without needing this sort of forceful disembodiment, and Ciconia's world already has advanced VR. I think that the real purpose of the factory is not to bring people to a virtual world, it is to PREVENT them from leaving it. After all, you can't come back to the physical world if you're just a brain and spinal cord. It is a last ditch method to make sure that nobody tries to pull the plug or run away from the new simulated world. This does however present one problem: It cuts off a possible choice for our cast to make should they discover that the world is indeed a simulation. And I'm not sure if there's a satisfactory way of dealing with that (your only option would be to suck it up).

There is also the question of whether all the fancy tech in Ciconia already existed in the real world before the simulation or only exists BECAUSE they are in a simulation and wouldn't be possible IRL. Especially things like Kizuna and 8MS working so perfectly.

>>23122459
> whose first WTC was Umineko (the anime)
Frankly, I've never heard of anyone like this. But yeah, those people must also exist. Poor souls ...

>>23122775
What if the factory is just a failsafe? Those that come too close to the truth about the simulation have memories emerge of the factory. Rather than try to deny the world they are in as fake, they are forced to accept it, because accepting what they think to be the real world outside it is too horrible. It does keep them in as you suggest, but it's also not real.

If the simulation isn't a virtual reality like the matrix, but in fact just AI that replicate the real world, escape isn't actually a possibility, but rebellion is. Making those in the simulation think that it's a virtual reality and that the real world is too horrible to return to would function as a safety measure from the program getting out of control.

It's also possible that the scientists studying Koshka's brain have become aware that they are living in a simulation and discovered that she has some degree of control over it. Maybe her brain functions as the server.

>>23101598
>Jestress and Miyao have the exact SAME face.
What if Jestress is Meow in a form that she identifies with more purely or something? Alters tend to have a mental picture of themselves that is totally different from their real body, especially if they don't have too much social contact and spend all day shut up in their head. Meow is described this way during the date scene.

They are Vier and Toujirou's child. Jestress looks like a teenage version of Miyoko/Lambda. She could be either an avatar Meow made to match her mental self-image (unlikely because we see Jestress IRL after the credits), an older daughter of Vier and Toujirou that looks a lot like her mother, or a CLONE of Vier created in a lab, which would explain why she looks so much like a younger version of her.

Jestress looking like Miyoko and Lambda is no coincidence. She must be related to the Takano expy in a very direct way.

>>23122812
>Frankly, I've never heard of anyone like this
Most of the posters here are, I'm especially talking about the fags who still autistically type Umineko essays everyday.

I bet Naima looks quite stupid without clothes. I can't take her seriously while her obscene loli booty is exposed for everyone to see. And yet, this disgraceful state is her real form. Clothes simply hide the shameful truth. They are not part of her.

>>23123427
She doesn't have an ass, she's a brain in a jar. Although this helpless state of being is conceptually humiliating too. She's at the mercy of whoever is in charge of providing her brain with stimulus.

>>23123343
Really? I never realised that. I've got introduced by Higurashi anime and I know it used to be quite popular. Of Umineko anime I've learned accidentally after discovering the vn.

>>23122990
I've arrived at similar conclusions. I think the clone theory is slightly more probable since it fits the technology level of Ciconia very nicely, and also has subtle parallels to Evangelion that I think Ryukishi might be hinting at. But the Meow Alter theory also seems very possible given the evidence (and personally, I'd find that the more interesting option).

Anyway, now that we're finally getting some good Ciconia discussion going, I guess I could share my attempt to make sense of the various layers of meta in Ciconia. I've identified about 5 possible layers. Without further ado:

0. The physical world. Due to AR shenanigans and false memories it's unclear how much of Ciconia actually takes place here. The game boards are Umineko's equivalents for this layer.

1. Virtual reality. Where most of Ciconia happens. According to a popular theory, the Three Kings exist purely on this layer, having completely different physical forms. The game board fantasy scenes are Umineko's equivalents.

2. Character subconscious. This is where "Evil" Miyao, Keropoyo and inactive CPP alters live. It's possible Seshat also mostly lives on this layer. The fantasy scenes outside of game boards (e.g. Ange summoning the stakes) are Umineko's equivalents for this layer.

3. Mad Scientist Underground. These scenes are set up to seem like they happen in the physical world, but various clues point to the scenes being meta. The Umineko equivalent would be Purgatorio, the realm where the souls of the dead attempt to achieve peace in order to move on to the Golden Land.

4. Meat Factory. The relationship of this layer to the other layers is uncertain. However, if the VR theory is correct, this would be the highest layer, and equivalent to Umineko's Rokkenjima Prime.

Some theories place the Three Kings on layer 3 instead of layer 1 (i.e. they are a meta representation of an urban myth or something like that).

Lastly, here's the clues for Underworld scenes being meta:
1. Vier's character tips directly state that she is dead, not that she faked her death.
2. It would be extremely difficult to fake one's death in a world with cheap DNA testing.
3. If you read the narration carefully, it repeatedly states that this is a "land of the dead" "outside of the game board", the "land of those who are no longer human" etc. This has to be hinting at something.

I think Jestress was chasing some sort of Bern expy at the end. Probably the shadowy figure made out of parts of other sprites that totally looks like Bern, the one that appeared among the random newbie gauntlet knights.

They make a point of Jestress having done everything so far and waited so long just to find this person, which fits with Lambda's obsession with chasing Bern. And the figure is described as "determined not to let Jestress catch even her shadow", which is imagery heavily associated with Bernkastel. Her afterimages were always described like this.

>>23124112
Considering they weren't really "witches", but rather 5th dimensional meta-beings calling themselves witches to fit in with Beato's world, they could have pulled a Featherine and incarnated as important people in this world, intentionally erasing their meta memories for the time being so they can enjoy the experience of being these characters in this setting, unaware of their true nature. It's possible that Jestress and the mysterious gauntlet knight have some history together in-universe that reflects Lambda and Bern's relationship. Their motivations don't necessarily require meta knowledge, just like Featherine's human avatar is unaware of her meta self and thinks she's just a random author.

Or maybe Lambda is completely self-aware as Jestress and has been looking for a trace of Bern for thousands of years, living countless different lives and stories in endless fragments. No wonder she's so determined to catch up to her now that they bumped into each other in the same fragment, same time frame and same place.

>>23124090
1. You can fake a death, but there's also the possibility of clones.
2. DNA testing is irrelevant, they are powerful enough to easily change records and what not. Cloning negates this point as well.
3. Game board is obviously referring to the real world of countriesz walls of piece, etc... theyre outside the gameboard because theyre the ones controlling the countries. Its the land of the dead because they they are listed as dead. To everyone outside, they dont exist. They are no longer human because theyve given up their humanity in pursuit of their goals, like with the insane scientist we see. Being cloned would also suggest giving up humanity.

Most of what you're pushing seems pointless, like you're wanting there to be more to basic stuff. The Umineko comparisons make that really show. I wouldnt place meat factory as a unique layer either, it's just a possibility of your layer 0, not it's own serparate and unique thing.

At most you have three "layers" with the physical world, subconscious, and VR, but I wouldnt call the subconscious or VR a layer, at least in the sense of Umineko's as you compared. VR and subconscious are on the same level as the physical world. The only way I'd call VR a layer is if Ciconia pulls a Matrix and everyone is already purely living in VR.

>>23124090
The weird thing about the underground lab is that, during her first appearance, Vier states that they've already been freed from the concept of time, which makes people age. But later on, she talks about how this dude is researching various forms of immortality and still hasn't found the perfect solution. Only some crappy 8MS with bad side effects that she doesn't want to try. So what's the deal with that? Isn't she supposed to be immortal? Wasn't she much younger than she should be, according to the doctor guy? How come they are still researching immortality or trying to cure aging, if everyone there is supposedly free from that?

I think they might be digital copies of the real scientists. Vier's profile states that she's dead while also acknowledging that she's in the underground lab. Why bother stating that "lie" in the same profile where you mention her activity in the research center? Sounds like both things are true and the real Vier is dead, making this Vier either a brain in a jar hooked up to the matrix or a digitized copy of her mind living in a simulation.

Also, what's with the doctor's flat head? What exactly did they do to him? It seems like they did something to his brain, but that would imply that this is a physical place and he's not just some digital copy or a brain in a jar.

>>23124090
I wouldn't call any scenes "meta". Maybe some other term would be better.

Meta worlds/higher dimensions and falsified gameboard scenes that didn't really take place were Umineko's gimmick. Higurashi had 100% legit scenes that somebody actually experienced but they were distorted by the characters' perception.

I think Ciconia will refrain from repeating any of those narration tricks. So there'll be no lies in the narration or any weird hallucinations. It will use VR to confuse us instead.

If there are Umineko style narration tricks, though, the scene where Rethbile's brother dies is incredibly suspicious. The whole thing could be a fabrication that she and the chamberlain cooked up to hide the fact that she's the killer.

>>23124194
That incomplete immortality 8MS is probably the zombie 8MS Blueyao mentioned.

>>23124176
>Its the land of the dead because they they are listed as dead. To everyone outside, they dont exist. They are no longer human because theyve given up their humanity in pursuit of their goals, like with the insane scientist we see.
This is the kind of thing that Ryuukishi presents as a "metaphor" only for it to turn out to be LITERALLY true after all. It happened many times in Umineko. Someone would say something that the reader interprets as a metaphor and then it turns out that it was literal.

>>23124241
>it happened many times in a single work of his

Many times means you're cherry picking the things that ended up being literal and ignoring everything else that was still a metaphor. Anon, please, reading Ciconia through Umineko eyes does you no favours. You're only proving my point that you're reaching really hard for there to be more to basic stuff with a raging Umineko boner.

>>23087865
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>>23087865
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>>23124090
I'm almost certain that Toujirou and Seshat exist outside the simulation and are simply using avatars to interact with the matrix world. Maricarmen literally implies that Toujirou is something watching their world on a TV screen. He also doesn't seem to give a shit about exposing his body to danger during the drone incident. And he can somehow control Miyao's gauntlet and force his arm to kill his cute commie chink friend just by inputting a password from some weird ass room. Is that scene taking place outside the simulation? Or in a higher level of the simulation?

Seshat is shown manipulating 8MS, security cameras and lots of other shit, in ways that would be impossible for a normal human. Her profile clearly states that her body might be just an avatar even in scenes that are supposedly "IRL".

Maybe the illuminati's plan is to fuck up the simulated world with wars and disasters to catch the attention of the AI's in charge of it. This is what they mean by returning the fate of humanity to human hands. They are being forced to live forever in this simulated world.

>>23124263
It could be just a metaphor, but when Ryuukishi brings up a metaphor over and over again, it often ends up being literal in some way. Like when Krauss said that his father is already dead and the man in the study is nothing but a phantom of what Kinzo once was.

>>23087865
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>>23087865
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>>23124223
>>23124263
I don't think Ciconia will repeat any of Umineko's tricks in the sense that Umineko's tricks were all predicated on the concept of everything being a fictional story. Meanwhile, Ciconia's tricks seem to be based on simulations, conspiracy theories, alters etc. But I don't think unreliable narration is Umineko-specific. The difficulty level of Phase 1 is supposed to be extremely high, so it's practically impossible for there to be no unreliable narration at all.

For example, the whole scene with Seshat appearing in physical form at the airport is almost certainly a trick of some sort, why else would all the evidence (including memories) of the incident be erased? I'm just not sure what the trick is supposed to be... Did the scene not happen? Or it happened, but Seshat was actually somebody else? Or is everything a simulation and Seshat is exploiting that somehow?

I also have a really crackpotty theory on Seshat, if anybody is interested. Specifically, I think I've identified her in the book of revelations. But I have to say, if this is really how Ryukishi planned it, then he must be an absolute madman, because this theory is crazy even for me.

>>23124543
It's pretty clear that the scene did happen but Seshat is using an avatar. She can go in and out of the simulation at will.

I don't think there are any straight up lies in the narration.

>>23124844
I don't know, that whole scene felt like Ryukishi challenging (taunting?) umineko-onlies. "Here's Seshat, isn't she splendidly dressed? But nobody cares, it's only natural after all. Here's Seshat entering a locked room using her magic hacking powers. By the way, there's no way a human could do this wink wink. Okay, time to kill this dude inside. Oh, and let's erase all the evidence this ever happened. Science can't do that in this world, but Seshat totally can!"

So if this was Umineko, obviously the whole scene would be fake. But this isn't Umineko, so it's almost certainly a red herring meant to confuse anybody expecting the same tricks all over again.

Reposting this from a previous thread that didn't get archived since it's an interesting theory.


I read/listened to Haworthia recently and it seems to be the key to solving several of Ciconia's mysteries.
First off, 8MS is a translated form of the original Organics Automata. This much seems pretty obvious when you consider that they were designed to perform similar tasks and the origins of 8MS are unknown, as evidenced by how no one can find the people responsible for creating the 8MS once they start breaking down.

Going even further, It's likely that all wisdom is ancient technology from Haworthia's race.
It might seem like Haworthia takes place in the far future, possibly being the future that the three kings are trying to prevent, but there are too many references to prehistoric continents like Laurentia, Gondwanaland and Pangaea.
Not to mention, their projected average temperature seems to be referencing the ice age.
Pretty much everything points to Haworthia taking place on Earth, from the nitrogen content in the air falling to 78%, to the weather and temperature changes, and to the color of the ocean becoming blue.

If this is true, then it means that all life on Earth came from Organics Automata. Kyou and Suzu, the two Organics Automata girls, seem strange in this case though since there shouldn't be any kind of humanoid life this far back. However, they seem to be an exception. Just going off their designs, one represents the land and the other the sea. They could be guardians watching over life on Earth as it develops or something like that. It's not really clear. What is clear is that these two aren't the norm for life here.

So what does this have to do with Ciconia? The people that left Earth in search of a new home are most likely "They."
Haworthia's race can't stand Earth's natural conditions, like UV rays, changing seasons or even slight variations in temperature. Their ideal world is the one that Ciconia's was becoming. Right now they're drifting through space in cryosleep searching for the right planet for them. Of course, they'll never find it since a planet like that doesn't exist. That is unless technology on Earth develops to the point where it can become paradise for them once again.

What happens when they come back to Earth? Who knows? Whatever it is, it's bad enough that killing billions of people is a better alternative.
"That planet we once loved, which turned into hell for us, is paradise for them."
The reverse might also be true. Paradise for them, could be the machine hell Miyao saw.

This is all speculation of course but there has to be some connection here besides just Haworthia's songs being used in Ciconia. When the first two lines in Haworthia are “This planet has died.”“No, it’s probably been dead for a long time now.”it tells me there's something there.

At any rate, you can read the booklet and listen to the tracks yourself here if you haven't already.
haworthia.home.blog

>>23100630
also i was talking about subahibi retard

I feel empty, I finished higurashi, umineko, higanbana and rose guns days, what do I do now?

>>23125639
read subahibi

>>23125639
Start Ciconia

>>23125639
Read the manga adaptations.

>>23125639
read books

>/a/ is arguing whether Higurashi is an isekai or not
why do I do this to myself
why do I still go there and subject myself to such lunacy

>>23126063
/a/ is for shitposting, bro
you may come across an intelligent discussion but you go there expecting shitposting

>>23126063
Why are they arguing about a novel they've never read?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fhkemTTPRF1LW1ONZB-CNZyX97hrh_6nSzF4JMnbv34/edit

>>23126063
>Higurashi
>Isekai
That shithole somehow surpassed >>23100803 in mental retardation

Naima simply loves getting her butt ________!

>>23126869
They had to ruin this shit with the very last line...

I'm not against tranny rights, whatever that means. But most of the idiots spouting that crap are also massive SJWs. Dreadful human beings with no empathy.

>>23127290
covered with clothing

>>23127569
The fact that she wants to cover it means that she's acknowledging how pathetic it is.

>>23127580
or she just likes the feeling of having clothing on her butt

Russian loli > middle eastern loli > white trash

>>23126869
My Seshat theory actually isn't the same as theirs. It's about the one part of the Revelations the doc doesn't cover.

It just sounds so dumb when you say it out loud. But if my theory is correct, the way Seshat dresses is a massive clue.

>>23128620
You mean the suspicious lab coat she's carrying?

What do they mean by Naomi losing some of her emotions and memories as part of her optimization training?

Sounds like they used strong drugs to kill off one of her alters because it was too troublesome. Or something like that.

>>23128620
She dresses like a stripper and shows off her thong. She wears jeans. She acts nice and playful but is actually kind of a morally bankrupt dick. She is the "stepmom" who is fucking the MC's dad.

Seshat is the Mamiya Rina expy. Why do you think they used Rina's body during the Okonogi collage data fragment? Why reference such a random character from so long ago?

Are any of the female characters secretly male? I would have no problem if Meow turned out to have a dick (although she probably doesn't) because she was introduced as a personality of Miyao. But if Lingji turned out to be a dude it would be terrible.

Also, why do they give two separate percentage for the amount of gauntlet knights that are schizos? 30% according to one theory and 60% to another? The hell does that mean? Are 30% of them legit DID schizos while another 30% could arguably be considered one but not quite?

Chloe could be a very repressed cuck who snaps like Jim Carry in Me, Myself and Irene. She might not really have two distinct personalities but rather a true self that she keeps hidden.

What if the entire VR world is taking place in Miyao's head? What if every single knight is a personality of his? That might be the reason Kizuna works so perfectly and flawlessly, rather than some miracle tech that lets you talk to someone on the other side of the world in an instant.

It would also explain why Miyao causes the tragedies and why his wish for a disaster utopia comes true as soon as he wishes it. The entire world is a VR space in his head. That's why Blueyao told him that the only way to stop the disasters is willing himself to disappear. That would cause him to wake up from the matrix.

Brains look pretty ugly. The fact that Naima is a disembodied brain in a jar is just pathetic!

>>23128700
I wish it was the lab coat. Yes, that and the Prometheus reference together show that Seshat has some kind of power over science. But that's not related to the Book of Revelations, I'm afraid.

>>23128739
Yes, you've almost got it! And what is Rina's most salient quality? She is implied to be a whore. And so, I think, is Seshat. Are you beginning to see how my theory is structured?

>>23129292
Wait, if she's a whore that means she probably shaves her pussy. Pussy is only called pussy because it's hairy like a cat. A stupid, bland, boring-looking shaved pussy doesn't qualify as a pussy. It kills the whole point of the word. Wouldn't that ruin her association with cats and the implication that she's some form of Bern?

>>23129427
She's an advanced whore that understands the lewdness of having a hairy pussy.

Why does killing the three kings prevent the factory hell, if the kings themselves are trying to cull humanity to prevent the same thing?

Seshat is a whore and I can prove it mathematically!

Specifically, she's the Whore of Babylon, Revelations 17. She's introduced as a woman sitting on a beast "having seven heads and ten horns".

Babylon: This is of course a famous city in ancient Mesopotamia. But there is also a Fort Babylon in Egypt. It is close to Heliopolis, which is Seshat's primary sanctuary according to Wikipedia.

Horns: Seshat, mythologically, is called "the Seven-Horned". Seven horns, ten horns, it doesn't quite fit, right? But look closer: Revelations 17 says that the horns are kings. And there are 7 kings. The beast has 10 horns, corresponding to future kings. And Seshat has 7 horns, corresponding to the kings that have been and are.

The Three Kings: "There are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come... And the beast... even he is the eighth" 7+1 kings, five are fallen, that leaves us with Three Kings, one (or two?) of whom is the beast.

Clothing: "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls", just look at Seshat's sprite, seriously.

The Beast: The beast is connected to the famous Mark of the Beast that is placed on everybody's foreheads to enable commerce. In Revelations 16:13, the beast lets out an "unclean spirit like a frog". These have been identified with Selcoms and Keropoyo, respectively. And the airport scene shows that Seshat is deeply connected to both.

The Mother of Abominations: The Harlot of Babylon is described as "The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth." Now in the scene where Keropoyo detects Blue!Miyao, he says that this must be reported to "Mother". This could be Vier... But considering how Keropoyo seems to serve Seshat, it makes even more sense for this to refer to her.

Ok, yeah, this is definitely crazy. But I kind of get the feeling that Ryukishi wants us to think like insane conspiracy theorists to crack Ciconia.

I think it's pretty obvious that Gunhild is one of the four spies. But Chloe is a fifth spy that gets sent an invitation to the order near the end of the story. There might be more people who joined the three kings over the course of the story.

The other three initial spies might be anybody, but I completely trust Jayden, Koshka and Naima. They can't possibly be traitors.

>>23130021
Maybe instead of trying to figure out who ARE the traitors, we should first figure out who AREN'T the traitors.

So Jayden, Koshka and Naima. Are there others? Mariana would probably make a poor spy with her 9000 personalities. And I can't see Gannet being a spy. Is everybody else suspect?

I'm sick of all of these theories, Phase 2 fucking when?

>>23130253
We're spouting our bullshit theories because we have nothing else to do while waiting for phase 2

>>23129670
Very interesting stuff. It can't be just coincidence, too many things fit.

But I don't think Seshat has any special control over Keropoyo. She is just using her strange power over technology (probably because she's using an avatar and manipulates the simulation from outside) to do that stuff. And she instructs her own personal keropoyo to do what she needs to do.

Keropoyo isn't a single universal AI, there are billions of Keropoyos with different configurations and learned behaviors depending on the user. The Keropoyo in Miyao's selcom is unrelated to the keropoyo his dad uses to hack people's brains.

>>23130253
Ryu said that Phase 1 was all the question arcs condensed into one. So this might be our last chance to theorize about the mystery.

>>23130021
Koshka may not be that innocent. She knew they couldn't afford to kill her and also knew she would live again in a new world.

Speaking of that... If Koshka is so important for the survival of humanity, why do they make her train as a gauntlet knights, knowing the risks? And why the fuck do they send her to war like a common soldier? If she dies all hope is lost.

>>23130278
>Ryu said that Phase 1 was all the question arcs condensed into one.
Did he? Was it in that interview from months ago? I bookmarked it but have yet to read it.

Wamiyao is the secret main character and a hero. He just acts like a huge prick and antagonizes Miyao because he resents him for being a murder program. Whatever that means.

Aliens are almost a certainty. Who else could hack those space 4D printers and create the weird objects with alien writing on their surface?

>>23129670
Wait, how exactly can a horse monster with a human torso and 10 horns be a "whore"? Who wants to fuck that?

>>23130307
Blue Miyao is the past self of Miyao from another simulation, he saw that all Miyao did with his order was fuck the world up and now hates himself over it.
That's why he hates current Miyao so bad, because he is walking the exact same road he did. Remember that regular Miyao never aknowledges Blue Miyao in the "real" world, that's why his prophecies come true, because current Miyao is doing the exact same things he did.