/jp/ - Otaku Culture

no

Probably not.

You mean if zun was kog?

>Flash
>Gameplay

does not compute.

No.

No. I have no hesitation in admitting it, either.

:^\YES!/

>>2285284
This scenario is something like Fred-chan developing a toehoe clone, so no.

Red Orchestra has been my Touhou killer, so, no.

If ZUN was American, Touhou would be an FPS.

Well, Japanese ZUN's stuff is also great because he's a huge STG_Expert who has played over 1,000 STGs. He knows what makes a game good and what doesn't.

KoG is a underaged bro who has only played Touhou and Multiplayer Asteroids. So of course his (flash) games are going to suck.

>>2285304

But moot loves fred-chan, so then Crazy Shrine Maidens would be accepted on 4chan.

It is impossible for an American to make a proper danmaku shooter. Also, flash wouldn't work because it would LAG LAG LAG.

>>2285324
More like an FPS aerial dog fight with muscular lolis in tights and capes and masks with explosions and lasers and missiles all over.

If it was built in flash it would not be the same game due to its limitations.

>>2285329
HAY GUISE AM I A TOEHOE CLONE YET?
http://www.kongregate.com/games/ahbonk/the-last-canopy

>>2285343
cho-marisa.png

This is racist. But no janitor stands up for us.

Same art, but done by an American?

Well, that would make him a fucking weaboo, wouldn't it. Does that answer your question?

no

Seeing as how most of us (including myself) like Touhou mostly because of the doujin content surrounding it, the answer is no, probably not. The American fandom isn't dedicated/talented enough to create the kind of fan productions that make Touhou what it is.

If Touhou were made by an American guy, but caught on with the Japanese doujin community the same way, then yeah I might like it.

>>2285384
Secondary fag.

>>2285386
Were YOU into Touhou before it got popular?

If the games didn't change at all, of course.
Although that would be very unlikely if they were Flash-based.

Hey guys, check out my awesome character I made for my shooting game!

>Profile:
>Hakurei Reimu
>Job: miko (aka shinto shrine maiden)
>Ability to fly
>Eat sweets without getting fat
>Uses homing amulets

She lives in this place that's kind of like Japan, but not really and solves incidents there. Her best friend is a cute blond witch girl names Marisa. She totally speaks Japanese, too, though.

They fight a loli vampire who has a magic maid.

Oh god it's like the worst weeaboo tripe imaginable why am I playing this ohgodfuck

>>2285392
Irrelevant. I play the games.

>>2285344
This. But if somehow they really were the exact same games, yes I would like them. I like other American games.

Fuck no.

As other anons have stated, 90% of Touhou's appeals is its derivative works. You're... not going to see much of that in America. So, no.

>Gameplay, art and music remains the same for speculation purposes.

No problem. As long as it is good who give a damm.

>>2285398
>Although that would be impossible if they were Flash-based.

I still have no idea why American made fanart is universally horrendous.

>>2285404
I do too, but I wouldn't have gotten into it if it wasn't for the doujin scene. That's my point.

>>2285392

I got into because it was a cool shooting game.

It has some good fanart (especially for s STG game, which tends to have almost none), but the memes are normally hit or miss. Worse yet, many of the more obnoxious fans will beat the memes that do work do death.

>>2285384
>most of us (including myself) like Touhou mostly because of the doujin content surrounding it

Am I the only exception to this? I play Touhou games because they're addictive and fun. I don't give two shits about the doujin stuff.

>>2285417
And I would have.

>>2285418
But you still probably wouldn't have known about it if it hadn't become popular in the doujin scene, no?

>>2285392
I got into Touhou in 2006.

Were they popular that time?

>>2285420
I listen to some of the doujin music, but the games are definitely the most important part of Touhou for me. I don't follow any of the memes or fanon shit.

The games are okay

But the doujin community is what I like about touhou the most

Don't care about ZUN, haven't played the game, would still like.

>>2285424
Yes.

>fat white dunk american
sure
>flash-based
no
>posted to deviant art and newgrounds
i stopped going to newgrounds in like 2003, and since when does da support flash?
>same gameplay
i only liked 9.5 and 10.5 anyway
>same art
this would be kinda badass in flash, as much as i hate it
>same music
yeah but only if there are still countless remixes

>>2285423

That wasn't the case for me, actually. In fact, my first exposure to Touhou was watching someone play EoSD's extra stage, and the research I did gave me stuff from canon sources, no IOSYS, no comics, no fanart. I didn't even know about that stuff until about a year or two later.

But, after seeing that guy play, I started getting more and more interested in the SHMUP genre. I tried out as many STGs I could find, and loved every second of it. The Touhou games are the reason why I'm a SHMUP fan today, so it's safe to say that, no, the fanon had nothing to do with me getting into Touhou. I still enjoy it , but it's not all there is for me.

>>2285436
This assumes that the fanbase magically stays the same. The rest of this thread seems to have assumed that Japanese doujin artists care whether an American made the game.

American Touhou? I'd love it! America fuck yea!

America would make Touhou more extreame. Extreame like MNT Dew!

>>2285346

I sense Ikaruga influence as well, since I just beat the first stage and boss without moving my homo butterfly dude.

>>2285448
Okay that's cool, but you are a minority. I'm just trying to call out people who act like they're completely above all the doujin stuff despite the fact that doujin is what got them into Touhou.

>>2285449
I don't think most doujin artists would care, but how would they find out about Touhou in the first place if it was an English game distributed on English sites without a major fandom?

Dont care about ZUN
Dont care about memes
Games are good for 2-3 runs

Love the doujins (not the Hentai ones mind you)
Love the music

It's unlikely that japanese doujin groups would swarm over an American made flash game....but if for some reason they do, then yea I'll still like Touhou probably

>You mean if zun was kog?

>>2285469

Speaking of KoG, did any of his flash games have any original content, or was it all Touhou rip-offs?

>>2285472

It had a ton of original content in the last two games, but most of it sucked.

No, I'd probably switch to Microsoft Danmaku Server.

>>2285474

>most of it sucked

Name ONE good thing about KoG's games, I dare you.

Speculation 2:

What if CLANNAD was written and released by Fred Gallagher?

Art, dialogue and music remains the same for speculation purposes. Also, the voice acting is in English but is (magically) exactly on par with with Japanese voice actors.

Would Fred-chan be your new god? Would you be buying figs and hug-pillows with his characters on it?

Would Kotomi still be your wife/waifu?

>>2285489

...ಠ_ಠ

>>2285489

It's a...game? That's all I got.

>>2285498

Every one of KoG's games shouldn't have even come into existence.

>>2285489

For something that was made completely in MSPaint with no other tools, this was impressive.

If only he was impressive in other areas...

>>2285493
>Art, dialogue and music remains

That's a very small trade-off.

Reposting pic from earlier

>>2285466
Your original point is that you WOULDN'T play Touhou if the doujin community didn't exist. The point is, the doujin community isn't a deal breaker. It's nice and I enjoy some of the things it produces but if it didn't exist I'd still be playing the games (assuming I knew they existed).

>>2285489
>Name ONE good thing about KoG's games, I dare you.
Jesus Christ guys it's better than nothing. This is why jp/ is becoming repetitive/boring. Any attempt at original content is shot down by the unforgiving /jp/ers. You act as if you've managed to create your own original content.

ZUN !bar >>2285461 for example is a musicfag but when's the last time you've seen him create something original? I've said this before and I'll say it again, if KoG drops the flash and picks up C++ he might actually become a decent contributor one of these days.

Until the day you create original content, you have no right to insult original content.

>>2285508

This was in one of KoG's games? Well hell, if ALL of his game looked like this, they'd actually be PLAYABLE.

>>2285466
Your original point is that you WOULDN'T play Touhou if the doujin community didn't exist. Not that you wouldn't get the chance to. MY point is the doujin community isn't a deal breaker. It's nice and I enjoy some of the things it produces but if it didn't exist I'd still be playing the games (assuming I knew they existed).

>>2285493
Seeing as he still can't draw fucking hands properly no. WRISTS DON'T BEND THAT MUCH.

>>2285519
I made some pretty cool OC when I was 9.

>>2285493
Yes, but if Fred Gallagher could make something as good as Clannad, he wouldn't be nearly as annoying as he is now would he?

>>2285519

That's what I've noticed about KoG. He's basically one of those people you see making a model airplane out of pennies.

It's a shame people rarely can have both creative and programming talent at the same time. Put KoG and some really good programmer in a room together, and I bet you'd have quite the interesting game.

American Touhou would be unsustainable, because American fan artists are such shit.

Just think about it. If a 4chan board produces even ONE guy that is remotely decent at drawing, he's praised like a god and mobbed by requests. Like the guy who made that picture of Akagi surfing on a shark.

>>2285538

Yeah, it would be called "Bullet and Seizures", or "BS" for short.

>>2285528
Sorry if it came off that way, I meant people wouldn't play the games (because they wouldn't know about them).

>>2285539

Someone hasn't been to /ic/. They are by no means the worst, but they're much better than the run-of-the-mill fanboy.

>>2285538
>He's basically one of those people you see making a model airplane out of pennies.
Is it weird that I read that as " He's basically one of those people you see making a model airplane out of penises."

Why are you all nagging on KoG, at least he's done something. You're just pissed off because he's making games instead of drawing Touhou porn.

Do you really want to see him start drawing threesomes with Yami, Cirno, and Alice? Is that what you really want?

>>2285549
I read it as that also.

>>2285549

No, that was the 4chan subliminal. I bet you would have read it was "niggers" if it was put as "nickels."

>>2285547

Also, you're forgetting that the stuff that we get goes through a quality filter dependent of the translator's taste. Just because we get the cream of the crop, doesn't mean there is Japanese fanart that's absolute shit.

>>2285553

>>2285561
The ratio of quality:QUALITY seems to be much better for japanese fan art. But that's just an observation.

>>2285553

>threesomes with Yami, Cirno, and Alice

That would never work. KoG would make it a fivesome.

>>2285561
Trust me, I know that there is a ton of shitty doujinshi out there. But you just don't see the level of quality in the American fandom that you do in the Japanese fandom.

I think there are 2 main reasons for this:
1. The American 2D fandom is still relatively young. Although some of us have been into anime since the days of trading fansubbed VHS tapes and before, the fandom didn't really start to grow until the Internet came along. The Japanese fandom on the other hand has been around in force for much longer and has strong roots from decades before the fandom. An older fandom = more talent. There are plently of high quality artists in the fantasy and scifi fandoms in America, which have been around for ages.

2. Because of irritating copyright laws its harder to sell niji sousaku in America. Although some people may not want to admit it, money is a driving factor for a lot of talented doujin artists.

Jesus Christ why are you people discussing KoG, go back to /a/.

I'd much rather take Gaia and deviantArt Touhou original content over his shit.

>>2285583
And yeah by American I meant English, don't get pissed at me eurofags I don't even live in America.

>>2285586
It's just KoG himself posting, no one else would care so much about defending his shitty "original content."

>>2285586

kog gives off some pheromone that makes people discuss him endlessly, I don't get it. He's just a retard.

>>2285586
>I'd much rather take Gaia

Good. You know where you can go back to, then.

>>2285593
Learn to read, KoG. I was saying people from Gaia make better "content" than you, but it's the same as saying poop is better than really stinky poop.

>>2285590

But wait, >>2285325 talked about KoG. Does that make ZUN !barYV1VtIA = KoG?

ITT, everybody has discussed everything already, and one butthurt sagefag will continue to use KoG as a scapegoat as to why this thread sucked even though it sucked from the get-go.

>>2285624
>butthurt
>sagefag
Go back to /b/ and/or ED, please.

>>2285583

But there are two more things I would add to that.

- Fear of ridicule. This thread is a perfect example. Unlike most game or anime-ish fandoms, the Western Touhou fanbase tends to regard anyone who attempts to make a serious artistic effort with disdain and a massive amount of animosity. Now, I'm not saying it's a bad thing to have standards, but it's more difficult to grow talent when the fandom itself is outright rejecting every effort that doesn't live up to an often vague set of expectations. This only results in situations where there is only a handful of western artists because everyone else is scared shitless. At least we have Japanese efforts to leech off of, right?

- And the second point is that Touhou is still a very obscure product in the west. No that many people know about it, and those who do only talk about it online. This doesn't leave that much room for possibly talented individuals to emerge in the ranks. How can you draw for a series that you don't have your heart in? Especially if there's no money to be had from it? You're working with a relatively small amount of possible artists right off the bat, and if you factor in my last point, it results in nothing getting done.

>>2285590 Bawww, I've never contributed to 4chan so I'll make fun of the few people that have.

>>2285633

>>2285633
Sup, KoG. Your games are the type that wouldn't even be accepted on Newgrounds, not to mention you ruined /a/ with your 5 FFFFFF faggotry that spawned a billiom imitators.

If that's contributing to 4chan, then I'm happy most people don't contribute anything.

>>2285630
Okay, that makes sense for the Touhou fandom. I was talking about the 2D fandom in general tho.

>>2285519

Almost took the bait. But two main things are required to make a great game:

1) Excellent programming knowledge.
2) Vast experience playing different games of your chosen genre.

It's pretty rare for someone (especially a westerner) to have both points down. For the Japanese it's a bit more likely because the game otaku over there live, eat, breathe, and shit video games (like Japanese ZUN himself).

I'm not insulting KoG for his use of flash, but I am insulting him for the fact that he hasn't played any other STGs besides "Multiplayer Asteroids" and Touhou.

>>2285646
I'm not KoGs, I'm just a fan of original content. You seem to lack the mental capacity to separate KoG's GET faggotry from his flash games. I bet if those flash games were created by anybody else you wouldn't mind them. Why do you have such a strong bias against KoGs? Everybody can clearly see that you're the same person that has been complaining about him since this thread was created. If you want to say KoGs's games are bad then I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is and create your own original content.

The 5 GETs alone isn't the thing that killed /a/.

/a/ died when you /jp/edos abandoned it.

>>2285676
I've made plenty of OC for /jp/.

Also kog's games are shit, not because they are kog, but because they are shit in every way imaginable. /thread, fuck off, go back to nonoba and whine moar.

>>2285666
What? You mean, he hasn't played Gradius, Raiden Trad, or Strikers 1945? That would be very surprising, as those are pretty much classics.

>>2285678
Post some of it, then.

Just not currypasta, if it's all right.

>>2285678
I don't care if it's shitty OC, I just want OC.

>>2285666
Sup satan. When are you ever going to make some music for /jp/. I've heard you're quite the musicfag.

>>2285676
And what could have we done? moot created a board for us, and /a/ was already in what one can call an ``Endless Semptember'' state.

>>2285678

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/439207

KoG's first Alice in Spaceland has a 4.30/5.00 on Newgrounds.

>>2285666
Yeah, man, didn't you say in one of the /jp/ project threads that you were working on a song? Whatever happened to that?

>>2285676
4chan is a discussion board, not an art/game/music making community. "Original content" isn't as important as contributing quality posts, especially when the original content in question is shit.

>>2285696
But it's all been posted for the most part at least once. And some I didn't even keep saved, like my thread mocking that fag who used to make a statistical analysis of /jp/ with graphs and shit. ಠ_ಠ

Aside from .txts i've done, ive got shitty drawings ive done, blingees, and waifu's drawings.

Pick something and ill post.

Pic related, it's my masterpiece.

>Also kog's games are shit, because they are kog

Fix'D. There's really no other reason necessary.

I don't care if KoG's games ARE playable. They're made by him, and anything spewed from that fag deserved to be banned in all countries except Australia.

>>2285711
>Newgrounds

>>2285717

Currybutt, you're theamazingatheist of /jp/.

Think about that.

>>2285724

whos that

MOOT

Are you listening?

MAKE /4/ FOR ORIGINAL CONTENT

VISUAL NOVELS
GAMES
MUSIC
COMICS
CULTURE

A board for people who care about original content and, while having a critical eye, don't immediate shit on things!

I want this so badly.

>>2285717
Yeah, I've written a lot of .txt's for 4chan too that I didn't save... I usually write them in the box at the top of the page that says "Comment."

That sure does make us big contributors of original content, huh bro?

>>2285715
OK, now you're really starting to annoy me. Please just go away; hide the thread if you must.

My dream is to live to see the day when Westerners manage to produce as much otaku related original content as the East. And with people like you, we'll never get there. Why are you guys even fans of Touhou. Don't you know the whole purpose of the Touhou Project is to expand on the Touhou franchise. Why cant we contribute to Touhou like the Japanese? Maybe one of these days ZUN might start to take Touhou's Western fanbase seriously.

>>2285743
>>2285676

You're not KoG.

>>2285741
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

go back to /r9k/.

Currypasta.txt = god-tier.

>>2285743

>>2285738
I would like a creation board, for creating all kinds of original content. I think it would be better if it was not only 2D related, but included any kind of original creation, in order to keep the board population up. Creative /b/tards could work on photoshops/meme fanart, /mu/ could form metal bands, etc. Bashing/flaming and raiding other peoples's threads would result in a ban, but otherwise pretty much any kind of content would be accepted.

>>2285747
Yeah, hence the reason why I've stated that several times. Usually I end up getting at least one 5.

Since there's been 4 KoG threads on /jp/ I've posted a total of 8 KoG images and none of them were 5s....

>>2285738
Good concept.
Bad outcome.
>>2285743
Fuck off.

>>2285738

>/4/

I think that board will be ripped apart until /5/ is remade.

>>2285756
There was a board like that on 7chan called project. It was actually a decent board. If moot made a board like that I could browse 4chan while being productive. The only problem with a board like that is /b/. They would keep trying to create invasion projects.

>>2285757
Goddammit, I hate you people.

Hey guys, I heard that in the official Zun artwork, the "S" on Nazrin's rod looks like a "5". Can anybody confirm this?

>>2285738
/oc/ - Original Content.

Contrary to popular belief, moot doesn't browse /jp/. Email moot and ask him for it (remember to have the words "board suggestion" in the subject field of your email). Keep your letter short (e.i. under 50 words).

>>2285782
Confirmed her rod.

Stupid sexy Narzin.

>>2285766
>The only problem with a board like that is /b/. They would keep trying to create invasion projects.

And why not let them?

I think pretty much any board would work fine if people could just follow a few simple rules:

1. Don't raid other peoples's threads.

2. Don't start a new thread for a topic if there is already one in progress.

With these two rules, you could just ignore the "LOL CAMWHORE PHOTOSHOP THREAD!!!1" because there would only be one of them. Deleting of threads by janitors should be a lot more based on whether the thread is a dupicate of another existing thread, not based on the content of the thread itself. This is a much easier way to judge (as opposed to wondering "man, this is really right on the line for /(board)/ related content, shoud I delete it or not...?), and it lets everyone enjoy a board.

Although I suppose in the case of raids moot has got to police things a little bit to make sure he doesn't get sued.

Who is KoG?

>>2285743
>Don't you know the whole purpose of the Touhou Project is to expand on the Touhou franchise.
Ah, I didn't realize I was arguing with a secondary Touhou fan.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if you want original content and don't care about the quality there are a thousand other sites on the internet you could visit. Go to deviantart or newgrounds or something. I don't mind original content, but to say that bad original content is a better contribution to 4chan than making good posts is ridiculous. Unless you prefer thousands of shitty /b/ shoops over interesting discussion.

>>2285787,1
Greetings Eksopl, I don't know why you hate me so much, but I think we could be friends.

>>2285803

I lurked then lold. KoG is just shitty flasher wtf is this thread about?

>>2285782
>>2285796

Wait, does it? Somebody post a full pic of the Zun artwork.

>>2285787

The problem with /oc/ is that there's no certain way to determine what is original content and what isn't.

This thread was doomed the second "Alice" and "Wonderland" were put in the first post. You know that's a KoG discussion magnet.

>>2285802
>Although I suppose in the case of raids moot has got to police things a little bit to make sure he doesn't get sued.
Are you new here? Raids will never be allowed on 4chan, period. We're more likely to see moot create 3 new /l/ boards than create a board that tolerates raids. Not even 7chan and 420chan allows raids (and these are the same guys that allow cp to sit in their stickies). Invasions would get 4chan shut down in weeks.

>>2285826,1
Tsk, tsk, tsk Eksopl. Your emotions are showing. Let's be friends. I think you're an alright guy.

>>2285880
Are YOU new here?

Yeah, raids aren't "allowed," but the rule is not enforced. I just opened up /b/ and saw multiple raid threads on the front page.

>>2285908

...what?

>>2285911
The fool is replying here to posts in the ghost archive.

>>2285880
Also, your post doesn't make any sense.

Why would you quote the part of my post that basically says "I guess moot would make an exception for raids tho" and then go on to say pretty much the same thing, but act like you're criticizing me?

>>2285915
Maybe that's because he doesn't want his anus to be haxed by an angered tripfag (that has a grudge against him) and a Russian pedophile....

>>2285909
Protip: /b/ is rarely moderated because it's a futile job. /b/ gets hundreds of post per minute, nobody in their right mind would sit there and moderate it. But whenever a mod does see an invasion thread it gets deleted.

>>2285909
Lurk moar.

>>2285945
What the fuck happened to the thumbnail?

>>2285935
>/b/ is rarely moderated because it's a futile job.
I know that, doesn't change the fact that it's an unenforced rule.

And I still don't understand what >>2285880 is trying to say, I said "Yeah, a board where any kind of content goes, except I guess moot would have to police raids (i.e. content that harms other people) for legal reasons (like he does/tries to do on every other board).

I feel like there are a ton of users on /jp/ just lying in wait to pounce on anybody who uses the word "raid" or "/b/"...

>>2285963
image collision
lurk moar yourself

>>2285945

I've still yet to see high-res images of the last two pics on that board