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>>22256837
>LATO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HtHEgINHO0

momotake is gonna freak

About his smiling friends and how he failed to uphold the walls of peace, of course.

ERIKANTRICE MANIFESTO 400 views !!!!

thanks guys, we're doing history here
I remind you that the 3rd chapter came out:
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if you want to help me in this project send me your opinions no matter how severe they are they will help me anyway.
my brain is not yours, things that are obvious to me probably are not for you, so I need to know where you didn't understand something, found mistakes in grammar, syntax or if you have ideas on how to improve everything.

ALL IS IN THE NAME OF GUIDING UMINEKO IN THE RIGHT PATH

Why did Chloe need Jayden's avatar?

I want more fanart

>>22256899
Then how about you draw them yourself?

Characters in blue have vaginas, red have penises

>>22256925
i love you anon
i really love you

>>22256925
Why are you not using the complete chart?

>>22256925
Momotake is too dorky to be a girl

>>22256925
Excuse you, I think you'll find the frog should have a big red box.

>>22256925
Perfect except for Miyao

This was honestly the most confusing thing R07 ever wrote. So much sci-fi stuff throw in.

Koshka selling her body for WanyaDora trades and feeling disgusted with herself!
Naima having wild drug-induced sex and crying of shame afterwards!
Gunhild being used as a cum dump at a party in order to become a gauntlet knight!

All is in the name of guiding humanity down the right path.

>>22256949
Gunhild literally doesn't have any pleasure having sex so she just does it without any emotions.

>>22256925
What about Okonogi?

>>22256949
>Gunhild being used as a cum dump at a party in order to become a gauntlet knight!
About that. Gunhild has/had an sister called Maya, right? And she seemingly died in that Pandora experiment thing for Koshka. Why did the narration at the house party where Tomitake was watching insisted on the name of the girl being abused by older men - Maya?
Unless if they are two separate people this doesn't make sense

>>22256964
What if Maya is a "sister" in the same way that Meow is a sister?

>>22256925
I haven't read this but who is the second place P3?

>>22256969
>>22256964
Its stupid if its DID shit because literally why would she go for 2 tests for Gauntlet Knight? Literally the military wouldn't even let her since its stupid pragmatically.

>>22256975
Yeah I didn't really think this through, I was thinking with my dick instead of with my head.

>>22256837
>WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOOOR

>>22256964
>bout that. Gunhild has/had an sister called Maya, right? And she seemingly died in that Pandora experiment thing for Koshka.
No, Maya was the girl who was whored ot the old men.

So what the fuck are the main theories.
Simulation?
The 3 kings want to kill humany so "them" doesn't meat-factory people?
Who the fuck are them?
Aliens? Are the aliens the god Vie speaks about?

>>22257003
"Them" are the masters of the simulation.

>>22256837
>WE'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING WE CAN!
>THERE ARE NO HEROES LEFT IN MAN!

>>22257003
Why do people even think it's a simulation?

I think that aliens are going to come once the human population becomes big enough and put them into VR. I don't think the aliens are coming to "harvest" humans are really have bad intentions. The 3 kings are trying to cull the population so that this does not happen.
I also think that there's some kind of cyclical thing going on; the 3 kings make reference to some earlier 3 kings, so maybe this has been a recurring thing going back for ages. I think the stuff Vier and co are researching are artifacts of earlier civilization. Could be ancient aliens shit too, but that's not as cool.

>>22257035
>Why do people even think it's a simulation?
1) Earth being dead and the ban on WW3 investigations 2) People being essential living computers 3) The whole "nanomachines are the OS of the planet" 4) Miyao being described as a programs

There are other things, but that's what I can think of at the moment

>>22256932
>>22256958
All boomers are what they look like. But Tojiro had Miyao with an artificial womb.

>>22257041
>spoiler
That immediately makes a whole lot of sense

All those answers feel rather mundane and based on sci-fi stuff everyone already read/watched a bunch of times desu

Now that I think about it there's DEFINITELY going to be some big reveal about WW3 given nobody knows anything about it. I should really get thinking about that

>>22257039
Eh, not really convincing to me.
>earth being dead and "nanomachines are the OS of the planet"
Seems like a plausible result of WW3 and just a bit of wordplay to me.
>WW3 investigations ban
Obviously there's something going on here, but I'm banking on it being the "spiritium is people" thing.
>people being essentially living computers & Miyao is a program
I don't see how this is related to it all being a simulation.

Regardless, I really hope it's not a simulation, I think that's kind of trite by now. Clearly the idea of a simulation is going to play a role but I hpoe it's not in this way.

>>22256964
Remember that the game takes place over the course of about 6 months.

Didn't R07 explicitly say that everything isn't a simulation?

>>22257062
Speaking of plot points, the frog/kizuna is probably going to be relevant. There is no way this massive program that basically runs on every person and seem to be able to kick out Miyao alt is just a programm.

>>22256837
>why did I let this idiot pop my cherry, what a bloody mess

>Miyao will be sealed inside the 1000 year door on Christmas
>door opens 1000 years later and Christ figure Miyao is "reborn" on Christmas

>>22257076
kek

>Would leg lock you, making it impossible to pull out:
>Would let you cum inside in the heat of the moment:
>Would insist you cum outside:

>>22256949
Ciconia truly is the lewdest wtc.

>>22257079
Miyao is not Jesus, she's one of the angels of Revelations

>The people factory scene
What was your reaction

Please hear my theory as to what's going to happen in Episode 2:
The 3 kings will succeed in their plan and "reset" society. This will literally mean that society will be back at the point it was 100 years ago and will develop in the same way again; that's what our "time cycle" is going to be. The events immediately following the ending of episode 1, i.e. WW4, will be re-branded WW3; that's why all information on it is strictly banned, so people don't find out about the cycles. The fact that the 3 kings reference some earlier 3 kings is also evidence of this.
The rest of my theory is in >>22257035.

>>22257106
>she

>>22257115
Envy

>>22256925
where is the proof of lingji's penis

>>22257115
I was really confused by it because it was narrated from first person. I think it would've been more powerful in third-person limited. Having the narrator tell you over and over "this is so scary, this is so bad" takes away the reader's chance for a genuine reaction.

>>22257102
Chloe
Naima
The red-haired ABN girl

>>22256964
one event could have happened after the other

>>22257115

>>22257120
I based my theory on my reading of the plot of The Big O by the way, though I never quite understood what the fuck was supposed to be going on in that show either.

>>22257148
>I based my theory on my reading of the plot of The Big O
HOLY FUCK. I knew the whole story sounded familiar but I couldn't put my finger on it.

>>22256837
Jayden, I'm already a demon.

>>22257150
Hah, good someone else thought the same thing, that's why I mentioned it.
I' don't even really know why the two seem similar. I was typing "... because the two are pretty similar" in my post but I deleted it because I couldn't really justify how they were similar.

>>22257115

>>22257160
OH FUCK, I just remembered, The Big O has a lot of references to Revelations too! I might be on to something here, guys.

>>22257125
When the girls are talking about Meow's gender in the bath during the date she's the one going "do boys really care that much about their partner being the opposite sex?" the most

>>22257162
god I fucking came buckets to that episode
God bless Nippon

>>22257115
>>22257127
>I was really confused by it because it was narrated from first person
My first thought was that the narration was Meow's. Maybe split personalities being so common is because there is a set number of bodies the simulation can maintain so a bunch of people get crammed together?

>>22257115
I was looking so hard into what was the scene's point (since in the narrative it's presented as 'the reason why Miyao is a program'), that it didn't really scare me or anything; that said, for me it's a bit grosser Angeburger or any other bloody murder, just narrated live - kinda like the goatfest at the end of Umi P2? The door at Takano's scene was a lot more spooky desu

List of things I remember from The Big O that are also in Ciconia:
>ancient artifacts
>potential simulation and/or time loop
>many references to Revelations
>clones vs normal humans being important ("tomatoes" in Big O)
>world is already destroyed and being kept alive artificially
>knowledge being lost (universal amnesia in Big O vs complete censorship of WW3 in Ciconia)

>The Big O premiered October 13, 1999, on WOWOW satellite television.

I'm gonna stop posting about this now but I might rewatch this show and see if I can draw any more parallels. Either I've made a massive breakthrough here or I've gone nuts. Look forward to my The Big cicOnia manifesto.

>>22257127
I dunno. Having the narrator describe their family getting separated and cut up was pretty impactful.

>>22257232
>>22257204
>>22257148
What in the actual fuck you really might be onto something.

>>22257247
i want to fuck evatrice

I don't know what to think of this. It's true the sci-fi parts were interesting, but on other hand it doesn't seem very original?
I'm not sure how much I care about yet another iteration of the selee or anti spiral or xenogears ancient over-technology lore. Hopefully R07 has some trick up his sleeves.

>>22257261
That's high school uniform, right? Is Eva that much of a late bloomer?

>>22257268
You'd have posted the exact same thing if this had been Higurashi or Umineko episode 1.

>>22257201
>since in the narrative it's presented as 'the reason why Miyao is a program'
was it? because it could've also been a dream he had after being awakened as the program. either way i'm sure it was seen from the viewpoint of miyao's mother.

>>22257268
>it doesn't seem very original
I'll put my fist in your butt because you're stupid if you think higu/umi have original settings

Was Yasu a parallel precessor?

>>22257286
Umineko didn't have magic until ep2

>>22257322
nope since they were just masks not real personalities

>>22257329
Yes, exactly.

>>22257312
I don't though. Umineko ep 1 is basically 10 more little niggers.
>>22257329
Technically not true, but we didn't know.

>>22257322

>>22257302
It's shown directly after a talk with smurf!Miyao
>sM: So, let's back up a bit. I'll show you proof that you're a program.
>M: Stop talking big and do it already!
>sM: In that case, I'll pull the trigger on your murder program. Would you mind looking at this for me?
>M: What are you doing? I told you, get on with
[at this point the scene cuts and transitions to the factory]

BTW the chapter title is also "Proof of a Program"

>>22257348
Man, I totally forgot about this. The blue Miyao said that Miyao's murder program would be triggered when he saw a certain person and that Miyao would then do everything to kill that person. Then blue Miyao said that to prove it he'd trigger the program. Then the factory scene came, though I'm not one hundred percent convinced that that is what the smurf showed Miyao.

Does this all mean that Miyao's murder program was activated? What actions from that point on were a result of the murder program? Isn't this a strong hint that Miyao is a traitor of some kind? And who is the person that supposedly triggers the murder program?

>>22257076
why does god hate women

>>22257127
I had the exact opposite reaction, being put in the position of the character watching their family be chopped up and seeing the inevitable approach of the machines while the anesthetic wore off was much more horrifying than it would have been just watching from the side. I think it would have felt impersonal enough in that case that I might have had little sympathy or felt like the ends were justifying it all

>>22256925
Miyao got some long legs

>>22257382
I want to see Meow shopped onto longcat now

Penis.

>>22257035
Because its seems similar with the plot explained in The Animatrix. The whole meat factory seems like final solution for the whole war and specially the earth conditions and environment just like The Matrix lore which is encase humans in VR to survive and harvest Spiritium to fix the earth

>>22257366
I have a lot of doubts about Miyao conversations with BlueMiyao. He doesn't get a sprite nor dialogue box during them and never seems to recall afterwards, I think we are being misdirected and it isn't the actual Miyao talking, but third "Miyao" that's really just a program with no body nor avatar on Kizuna that believes he is Miyao. That scene where he talks to the Keropoyos chasing the Blue one specially gave me that impression

>>22257401
I don't disagree that the meat factory leads to a simulation but the meat factory is something that is to be prevented, right? So it hasn't happened yet. Some people are saying that the events we see in episode 1 are *already* in a simulation, which I don't buy into.

>>22257414
Does that distinction actually matter at all at this point?
What if Meow is the murderprogram?

>>22257348
i know, but blue miyao didn't appear after that. you could also interpret it as miyao remembering this scene after blue miyao activated him.
the important part is that the scene wasn't narrated by blue miyao, so that scene wasn't necessarily the "proof of program", the image he showed him was.

Anyone else get weirdly paranoid when talking about conspiracies in a story? I can't sleep because I feel like I'm in danger for trying to uncover the conspiracies, even though it's just a story. Is it just my autism?

>>22257433
I'm inclined to agree with this. The factory thing is a red herring when connected to blue Miyao. It's an unrelated scene, what really happened is that blue Miyao showed Miyao the person he's supposed to kill and the murderprogram activated. I'm also convinced now that Miyao is a traitor in some way.
Come to think of it, wasn't it around this time that Miyao started acting weird, saying that maybe hunger and war were good if they taught people the value of peace?

>>22257414
He specifically DOES get a sprite in this conversation I mentioned >>22257348

>>22257366
>>22257433
True but regardless it's very suspect that it would be presented at this particular point - plus, we should treat everything from that point as if the 'murder program' was activated, except we don't really see that except for a scene or two, and even then only with stretching

>>22257269
she massaged them every night impatiently waiting for them to grow

What if the factory is the murderprogram? What if this is what Miyao is supposed to accomplish, and the unidentified first person narrator is the person Miyao is supposed to kill?

Also Smurf Miyao's blue body turned into normal Miyao's body again in his last appereance

>>22257424
Meat factory will happen. It's a prophecy.

>>22257451
>Come to think of it, wasn't it around this time that Miyao started acting weird, saying that maybe hunger and war were good if they taught people the value of peace?
That's exactly right, I forgot who before him talked about similar views earlier in the episode but I found his pessimistic thoughts to be coincidentally appearing after having his talk with blue Miyao.

>>22257232
Is that the famed 19991013 miracle?

>>22256964
She failed to become a knight the "normal" way and then was unknowingly lured into a touhou doujin with fat old men. After that she quit and, out of desperation, joined that one research institute.

>>22257486
All her talk about "her" not being attractive to fat old big fish points to this strongly.

What's the connection between Smurf and the blue girls? It's an obvious question to ask given the sprites but I'm not really convinced there's any connection here.

>>22257474
Yeah, I found this very suspect while reading. From that point onward I felt like he was acting weirdly the entire time. I got a distinct sense that he was doing something in the background that was being hidden from the reader, too, mostly because he suddenly started doing much less in the foreground.

I feel like I should re-read already, there's so much stuff I noticed that I completely forgot about until now.

I want Chloevil to force me to lick her hairy pussy.

>>22257003
I get a feeling "them" is related to the time capsule the bro scientists have. Either locked inside, or waiting for it to open because they need whatever is inside to create the meat factory.

>>22257379
I'm different because I don't feel it was necessarily a bad thing. By the end of the story, your choice is to starve/freeze/get killed by a gauntlet knight/get sick and die, or to go to the factory and live in VR. The story just says it's bad without acknowledging the upside.

>>22257518
The upside of living in VR is definitely acknowledged at multiple points, anon. At the very end it's something the main characters talk about potentially having been better, even.

>>22257513
all the Ciconia girls are clean shaves with the sole exception of Rethabile

>>22257529
But that's my problem. The factory is described as "hell on Earth," the worst possible scenario for humanity. But it isn't. The worst possible scenario is everyone dying and not having an afterlife, in VR or in a spiritual sense.

Seems that at least USD and krona have similar worth in A3W as in our time. At least, their exchange rate is similar, and this is a lot of money.
Unless it's just EUR being very different, I think this somewhat discredits the "3 eur is a lot of money in A3W" theory of the 3 eur allowance.

>>22257539
You couldn't be more wrong. Rethabile shaves because she's a princess and she's thought carefully about how to best attract a man to advance the ACR. Sluts like Rethabile, Lingji and Valentina shave whereas pure girls like Chloe, Naima and Maricarmen all have hairy pussies.

>>22257551
It is described like that at one point but that doesn't mean that that is what every character believes. Also, the *factory* itself is pretty fucking terrible, it's just the VR afterwards that might not be.

>>22257556
3 euros allowance was clearly a joke. Europe barely give a fuck about allowances specially when it comes to mental health and shit like that.

Completely unrelated and unnecessary, but I really like what we're doing right now, exchanging knowledge and theorizing about the little details as if we were on /x/ or /pol/. It's one thing I really missed from Higurashi and Umineko because they were already complete when I got to the end of Twilight in late 2014, so I'm glad to be finally able to share my thoughts and craziest ideas without carrying the risk of being spoiled. WTC is great wowowow!

One thing that got kinda stuck in my head while reading was how The Three Kings were at the very top of 79 Chivalric orders, if my memory isn't faulting me on the numbers. Do you believe that even seemingly innocent orders like the one linking Stan and Gunhild for example may be included in those? After all it's not as if we can see what happens in their Selcom or if they are confirmed CPPs or not.
Another thing regarding the identity of potential traitors working for the Jestress, which ones so far stood out as the most suspicious contenders for you? Rethabile is in my opinion the one with the most incriminating "evidence" against her, if you look at the circumstances surrounding her brother's death à la Umineko : the moment she's able to obtain information on his location, that's where he is supposedly killed. Unreliable narration is Ryukishi's favorite trick so I thought maybe

Tell me, what was your reaction?

>>22257451
Don't know how solving fiction conspiracy makes you irl paranoid what is your reasoning?

>>22257574
paizuri

>>22257569
OH yes I have to reread the story thinking with the umineko perspective of what we see is a lie when we have very few witnesses.

>>22257574
>Hey this girl has blue hair, maybe I shuld keep an eye on her?
>Forgot about it for some reason
>This scene happens

>>22257569
>, which ones so far stood out as the most suspicious contenders for you?
Jayden and Gun.

Jayden's background is totally boring and normal, I don't understand why more people don't suspect him.

>>22257569
I agree completely, this is a lot of fun. When I read Higurashi and Umineko I never imagined I'd be able to theorycraft on a WTC as it was coming out.
Personally, I really don't trust Valentina. Her talking about Maricarmen being naive and such and her general demeanor really make me suspect her. LATO also obviously has some sneaky stuff going on in general in my view. I also don't trust Gunhild.

>>22257585
Yeah, me too. I'm gonna start rereading as soon as I find some time. I'm also vigilant about other WTC tricks now, such as "the real MC was actually a completely different character all along".
Anyone have any other typical WTC tricks they recall that we should watch out for?

>>22257574
A boner, but also confusion. I honestly have no clue at all about anything that went on at the end. Were people really teamkilling? Why?

According to the hints, pandora is the only one who can "live on after the end of humanity", and the main goal of the experiment is to create more people like her, right? Maybe a few people will be compatible with VR and thats why the meat factory was analyzing people and categorizing them.

>>22257604
I haven't read that hint yet, but this reminds me of Lucia's route in Rewrite, which was written by Ryukishi. Might be something there.

>>22256925
naomi, koshka and stephania are cute! CUTE!

>>22257604
People like her in what sense? It's been said to be something in her brain, so it's almost certain to be related to parallel processing in some way. Could also tie in to CPPs potentially.

>>22257597
Jayden is stated to not have any alters according to the tips and himself, and there's nothing in his character that suggests he would want to betray his team or end the world.

>>22257639
They never specifically state what makes the pandora brain different but it seems to have some sort of property they are trying to transfer. Like a program installed in her brain or something.

So given that Umineko had the whole message bottle thing, I wonder what the story we're reading ACTUALLY is. People have brought up the idea that it's a simulation, it could be that scientists are using this simulation to test something maybe. But that doesn't really explain what Miyao is. Unless the thing the scientists are testing is the "murder program", but then that doesn't really explain blue Miyao and why he wants to stop him, unless that's just part of the testing. Well a simple simulation doesn't explain the fact that normal Miyao seems to show no awareness of the meta stuff, but I can't really think of any explanation for that to be honest. Unless this murder program is just something that affects people subconsciously, so normal Miyao just isn't aware of this even though it is happening.

It's possible that meta Miyao is just watching a recording or something, like this all already happened (or is a prediction or simulation or something) and for some reason he's watching it but is somehow convinced he's actually taking part in it for some reason. Actually the idea of it being a prediction is interesting I think, maybe Miyao is some scientific thing designed to predict the future for some reason? But that doesn't really explain the murder program thing, unless he's just managed to predict that someone will hack into him and make him kill. Maybe blue Miyao is just Miyao's prediction algorithm or whatever. I mean the word "prophecy" is used a lot but maybe it's only a "prophecy" in this case because he's running the simulation, so by definition whatever he predicts is what happens here

>>22257655
I wonder who the real MC is. Higurashi pretended to be about Keiichi but was really about Rika, Umineko pretended to be about Battler but was really about Ange, Ciconia pretends to be about Miyao but is really about ...?

>>22257574
Lilja had one fucking job

>>22257665
Koshka, hopefully.

>>22257665
It's going to be Jaden

>>22257597
>Jayden
Because we have scenes from his first-person POV, and he would frankly have to suffer a ton of asspulls for that - remember that the story hammers in that he has only a single personality, the one we're seeing
>Gunhild
Yeah she's one of the two prime suspects, though for me it's mostly because I think Stanisław is his faction's mole - and they get along just a little too well (I got suspicious when she was the one to tell him about the chivalric order - then again, he's Miyao's pick, and she also gossips about it to Chloe first, who's the first one to suggest going to other factions)

Also rereading now, I missed how Koshka bluntly tells them:
>I'm Geroy equipment. I get killed every time I go in for maintenance.
lmao do they think it's a joke or do they gloss over it like with many other issues

>>22257461
>What if this is what Miyao is supposed to accomplish
Not sure if that's what the program is about, but there are really heavy implications that Miyao is the one behind the factory

>>22257041
while coming off as a Chad, Tomitake is still a virgin.

>>22257679
I don't think she literally dies, she even stayed in VR while being operated on.

>>22257665
Koshka is implied to have a very strong role in the future, but I have a feeling she won't turn out to be the protagonist of the whole thing. If I had to guess, he'll either do the RGD thing where each kette gets their own arc, or introduce a new behind the scenes character that fills that role at some point. Like Maya for instance

Why do people suspect Stan? He's one of the people I suspect the least. Do people really suspect characters over just being critical of Miyao's plans? Do you really think Ryukishi would make the people who look like culprits the culprits?

>>22257672
>>22257677
God I hope not

>>22257679
>lmao do they think it's a joke or do they gloss over it like with many other issues
Well if someone dropped something like that on me I'd act like I didn't hear it too.

>>22257684
What heavy implications?

>>22257655
I wouldn't say the plot in Ciconia will literally turn out to be some kind of in universe story like in Umineko. It wasn't like that in Higurashi, right?
Also I think the murder program is an alternate personality that emerges due to certain factors, such as seeing the face of the person he has to kill, and it hides memories from Miyao/Meow. Thats why Miyao seemed to remember his encounters with Dark Miyao in general, but when he is shown the face that will trigger the killing program it just cuts to the meat factory scene with Miyao seemingly not remembering anything (or at least never mentioning it, not even when he talks to Dark Miyao again).

>>22257679
I'm sure they just think it's a joke. They think she means that they put her through the wringer.

Reminds me of Rudolf saying "I'm going to be killed tonight" meaning Battler and Kyrie are going to kill him when he tells them who Battler's mom is.

>>22257698
I'm also leaning towards it being a character we haven't seen yet.
I wonder how many new characters we're going to see introduced over time? Umineko had a ridiculous amount of them, but we already got a lot of Ciconia characters.

>>22257706
Woah, I never realized that this is what he meant. That part finally makes sense to me now.

>>22257698
>he'll either do the RGD thing where each kette gets their own arc
I think it will be something like that.

>>22257679
The people she is talking to think it is a joke. In reality, she does not literally die, but the experience has broken her entirely and from her point of view she might as well be getting killed.

>>22257600
>Personally, I really don't trust Valentina. Her talking about Maricarmen being naive and such and her general demeanor really make me suspect her.
That actually only makes me suspect Maricarmen. Read her profile, one of her special abilities pretty much tells us she's playing dumb

>>22257699
I suspect him because a) he's the only character in his faction that could pull it off (except for maybe Naomi, the rest consists of a drooling retard and a trio that's the least likely to be split), b) he's such a non-character despite his vital role, I swear other than his affinity for metal stuff and being a calm strategist dude he has nothing - in fact, I don't think any of the Knights got as little development, even Smug Madagascar Dude and the ACR bodyguards made a bigger impression on me
He's such a blatant near-empty slate to have a big bad's role written onto that I kinda hope I'm wrong here

Though we have to remember that we only know of the Three Kings' moles, one in each nation - so LATO is excluded from that, but not from other possibilities

>>22257452
it's just that at the end of the factory scene we read pic related, and i find it hard to believe that blue miyao said this.

>>22257569
Id go with mariana, jayden, stan and i don't have any clue of who else it could be maybe chloe

>>22257753
I don't think LATO has a mole. There are only four moles.

>>22257743
Yeah when I read that I got a bit suspicious too. Well, if she is faking it then at least I can vouch for her special ability because she's got me completely fooled. I can't suspect cute and innocent Maricarmen.

>>22257753
Everything you say about Stan is how I feel about Naomi. Stan got plenty of character development, I really don't know what you're on about. More than any ACR character save Rethabile. More than the entirety of Suparna, too.

>>22257699
>Why do people suspect Stan? He's one of the people I suspect the leas
Yeah, it's so obvious. Naomi would make way more sense to me.

>>22257665
If this has "loops" like Higurashi and Umineko I would bet actual money that one of them will just have Meow as the main personality and act like Miyao never existed, but I'm not sure if she would be the actual Main Character in the big scheme of things

>>22257574
Who would trust a character with blue hairever again in WTC?

>>22257768
Most likely because LATO is on the Three Kings' pockets already.

>>22257600
>Anyone have any other typical WTC tricks they recall that we should watch out for?
Hmmmmmmmm the recent debate about the factory scene made me recall about how in Umineko some scenes were made to look like how it happened in real time where in fact they happened at an other time. I believe Episode 2 made use of this trick often

>>22257785
In general I don't get why people keep believing in the obvious shit. This is fucking Ryukishi we're talking about.
Speaking of which, maybe there are no traitors. Believing in your friends was the big theme of Higurashi and to a large extent Umineko after all. It'd be kind of uncharacteristic for someone in the order of public lust to be a traitor.

>>22257768
literally what I said, though I may have specified I meant the four 'competing' nations
>LATO is excluded from that
But remember that not only the Jestress has her pawns, nothing's stopping other players from having their

>>22257777
Stan got a lot of screentime - but not development, compare him to Miyao, Lingji and Rethabile - they all change their stances on matters, adjust opinions and go through *personal* hardships, Stan's biggest problem was meanwhile the attack on crops that barely affected him at all, and he's basically the same at the ending as he was at the start, maybe a little more open to others (well, except the implication he got KIA, but no body = not dead and all that)
Naomi, ACR characters and Suparna barely got screentime, and got similar amount of development - hell I'd argue Rukshana and Andry got as much as him despite so much less lines, I believe in R07 enough to assume he made Stan stan-d (heh) out compared to the other leaders on purpose - even if it makes his twist more obvious

>>22257808
He also discusses his thematic focus here in the recent Famitsu article. Something about isolation and the current social atmosphere. Whatever he said there can serve as a good lens

>>22257452
Ok, how about this:
factory scene is from meow's perspective
from this point on, meow is compromised, mails the gauntlet codes to toujirou, and suggests the christmas party

>>22257699
>What heavy implications?
The stuff BlueMiyao says that can be interpreted as Miyao being the entire cause of the factory eventually happening, combined with the conversation at the christmass party and how he gets serious with Jayden when asking if he would really be fine with living in a virtual world makes it seem to me like he was starting to plan for it

>>22257808
>Higurashi
Unless the 3K scene talks about a completely different four nations at a completely different contest, there's no comparison - all scenes that were to lead us to distrust in Higu were fantasy and/or unreliable narrator in action, not quite the case with Cico
>Umineko
yeah the true culprit was the beloved Kyrie with no less liked Rudolf, and the mastermind was the sympathetic Shannon-Kanon duomind - gonna call bullshit there chief, believing in everyone went out of the window at the latest in 4's Tea Party

If I gave Ciconia to my friend, is it worth telling him anything about the rest of the series? It doesn't seem significant that some characters have appeared before.

>>22257874
What is up with the WTC fandom and having friends?

>>22257874
the first phase was terrible anon

>>22257852
Hmm, maybe. I didn't interpret it as Miyao being the direct cause of the factory since Ryukishi really likes using this "X is the cause of Y" thing to refer to very long indirect strings of causality. But it does seem that after that exchange, when Miyao starts acting weird, this would be something he would consider.

>>22257862
I said that there might not be a traitor in the order of public lust. There's characters in the kettes that are not in the order of public lust that could be traitors.
Also, I feel like you misunderstood the meaning of Umineko, or at least didn't get from it what I got from it. What I got from it is that Ange should have had faith in her family because there was nothing she stood to gain from finding out the real truth.
Basically, Higurashi is about believing despite of falsehoods whereas Umineko is about believing despite of the truth.

>>22257874
>It doesn't seem significant that some characters have appeared before.
Nigga what? You think the Takano expies aren't going to be relevant?
Ciconia is not a sequel to Higurashi or Umineko but you will get more out of it if you read the others first. If I had a friend interested in Ciconia I wouldn't try to make them read 2 other huge VNs first, though.

>>22257884
It wasn't bad as a whole but if I didn't know beforehand that Ryukishi is a good author, I may had not endured it long enough to get to the payoff at the end.

>>22256964
wait when was maya mentioned in the Pandora shit?

>>22257902
One of the last hints.

>>22257902
The tip/data fragment when Gunhild accessesd report with S clearance

Do you guys think Koshka would have a hairy pussy? I'm very torn on the matter; she doesn't seem like a slut that would shave and she's a bit of a slob, but on the other hand there's a certain childishness to her that makes it hard to believe that she would have a hairy pussy.

>>22257574
so what did she kill lilja? was she mad at her for being bullied?

>>22257902
In the last non-secret TIP (the one where they say Gunhild is actually a high-tier general) she reads her file, it gives a number and the experiment - earlier we see that same person be a part of the failed experiments on Koshka, and since Koshka = Pandora, well

>>22257918
Koshka keeps her pubic hair because it's the only hair she grows since they keep having to rip her skull open. That hair is clearly a wig.

>>22257912
>>22257916
>>22257929
oh ok I haven't read the tips, i'm taking a break from the walls of peace rn

>>22257927
There is no way that is it. Either she is one of the traitors and jestress ordered it, or she wants to ruin the experiments that killed Maya.

>>22257918
I suspect most of her body is prosthetic and hair probably can't grow down there, so she's clean. She might have nothing down there at all.

So how does this compare to Umineko?

>>22257935
What relation does Chloe have with Maya

>>22257931
Hold them up RIGHT NOW

>>22257942
I got mixed up.
I was thinking about how that tip ends with a repeat of gunhild's shield malfunction and how that could imply she may had been faking it as some sort of revenge plot.

>>22257893
I'm not saying that they're irrelevant, I'm saying the fact that they're expies doesn't seem to have anything to do with the plot, and knowing that they're expies isn't necessary to understand and appreciate the story.

>>22257941
Ciconia has an interesting plot but is bogged down by Ryukishi being more repetitive and unsubtle in it than he has ever been in his life. It's not as good and I don't expect it to ever be as good as Umineko was, but it'll probably make for a decent ride.

Since reading Ciconia I've gotten much more of an appreciation for brown girls. I wasn't attracted to them at all in the past but now I can't stop thinking about girls like Rethabile and Naima.

>>22257971
I'm not saying their expyness is relevant to the plot which of course it isn't, it's an independent work. But the "feel" of a Takano expy character is definitely extra value you get from having read the others.
Again, I don't think people need to read the others if they're interested in Ciconia specifically, but I do get a lot of value out of having read them and seeing the similarities and things in the writing that are clearly a reaction to the response the first two got, which is something that I think you just can't have if you read them in the opposite order.

>>22257977
maybe he made this game as repetitive as possible just to make phase 2 better? we'll see in 6 months

>>22257990
i have no idea how repeating 'walls of peace' over and over and over again would in any way make phase 2 better

>>22257977
Worth mentioning that the English version is poorly edited, and that there's updated scripts in the works that are said to make a huge number of changes already

>>22258005
while the translation is awful, the problems are still very apparent in the japanese version

>>22257977
It's not really that bad until the end when he has a fucking stroke or something and forgets all how to write anything other than walls of peace walls of peace walls of peace. If you exclude that part then it was no more repetitive than Umineko.
I also don't really think it was uncharacteristically unsubtle. Yes, it is unsubtle, but I think it's just a ruse. Higurashi episode 1 was really heavy-handed with its slice of life stuff too, as was Umineko with its Agatha Christie ripoff stuff. Almost as if Ryukishi intentionally makes them look worse than they are so he can confuse you later.

>>22258005
Yeah I am not happy with the script quality, especially at the fucking price it's being sold at.

>>22257977
I don't think Ciconia is more repetitive than Umineko. They talk about the walls of peace a lot, but there's always something of note being said about them. Umineko had pages where the same sentence would be rephrased and restated multiple times with no new info added.

What if them saying "walls of peace" so much is plot-relevant? I don't really know how to finish this thought but what if there's something implanted in their brains that makes them do that, or something.

>>22258016
>Yeah I am not happy with the script quality, especially at the fucking price it's being sold at.
That's the problem with having a simultaneous english/japanese release. The translation will almost certainly be rushed to meet the deadline

>>22258016
>Almost as if Ryukishi intentionally makes them look worse
i don't think so, higurashi's first episode was one of the best imo, keiichi going crazy at the end is legendary by now

Lilja really got it bad from r07's artstyle

>>22258021
>if there's something implanted in their brains that makes them do that
Propaganda

>>22258024
Then they should just make the deadline less tight. They even had to postpone the deadline and it's still bad.
I wouldn't have too much of an issue with this if it weren't for the price. I do really appreciate a simultaneous English release and I don't like bitching about the price either, but this price point isn't in the "small independent project" range anymore. If I'm going to be paying this kind of money then I expect the thing to be polished.

>>22258028
Yeah I went a bit overboard with saying that. I didn't really mean "worse", I meant "more generic", and it doesn't really apply to the latter half of Higurashi episode 1. It is a criticism I have seen of Higurashi though, people dropping it halfway through onikakushi because it's too slice-of-lifey.

>>22258032
what if ryukishi makes the "walls of peace" repetition a plot point just like maria's "uuu"

>>22258029
r07's art is great this time
anyone asking for new sprites gets the bullet

>>22258047
then i would laugh my ass off

I just really don't think walls of peace was overstated. The term "walls of peace "communicates more than just saying "peace." We could keep the peace by just killing our enemies, but instead, we uphold a wall of peace by working together with them to keep the peace. I can see that he found a clever metaphor and wants to use it a lot, but it really does say more than any other alternative.

>>22258054
I like the metaphor but I hate how he keeps saying literally the exact same thing over and over and over again, which basically boils down to "we're not fighting we're just supporting the walls of piss".

>>22258016
>especially at the fucking price it's being sold at
What's the deal with the price? I'm from Argentina and the game on Steam was 400$ argentinian pesos, which would be around 7 US dollars, does it cost the same as a full game everywhere else or is just USA overcharging for some reason? Steam games are usually cheaper here since we are poor as fuck but not by that much, specially new stuff

>>22257995
Maybe phase 2 is all about the floors of war and it needed contrast

>>22258054
The phrase if I recall correctly is used over 200 times. It's pretty excessive.

>>22258058
>>22258067
Well giving it some more thought, I'd like to see him use a metaphor that relates more to the sprouts of war. I don't recall if he even talked about this, but you could think of the world as like a square garden of peace where each alliance gets a corner. It's your job to keep your corner clear of the sprouts of war because they're weeds that will eventually spread into other lands and cause even more problems if you don't do your job properly.

>>22258060
It's 34 EUR here in NL or about $37.50. It's just really fucking expensive for some reason.

>>22258065
>floors of war
Reminds me of the fucking sprouts of war that Ryukishi needs to shut the fuck up about as well

>>22258068
Maybe we don't need to come up with convoluted metaphors to convey the simple idea of "don't be a warmonger"

>>22258060
Same here, BR here and it's around 75 reais which rounds up to 18 USD

>>22258072
>Reminds me of the fucking sprouts of war that Ryukishi needs to shut the fuck up about as well
Don't forget about the dice rolls that are making a comeback from Higurashi
chess analogies too

>>22258054
It's more about the fact that they have like 3 or 4 meeting on the virtual baths, some of them being the bulk of their chapters, to just reinforce the very same points about "we are all just allies supporting the walls of peace from each side" without much added

>>22258072
But "don't be a warmonger" really isn't the intended message. The walls of peace are maintained by actively building your military strength to prevent the chance of war. It's mutually assured destruction, a cold war. Pure pacifism leads to one side making plans to secretly attack another, so instead, everyone is openly competing to be strong, but not fighting each other.

>>22258083
I was referring to the sprouts of war, not the walls of peace. I know what he means by walls of peace.

>>22258082
I feel like the main point of those scenes was to serve as a contrast to all the outward factors that tried to break apart the kids ideals (Toujirou's organization planning WW4, the Three Kings cult planning the apocalypse, Vier's lab, etc.) Just to really put in perspective how powerless they were to really change anything. I think it kind of worked, but it definitely could have been done better without spamming the same lines over and over.

>>22258103
I want to manhandle this Koshka.

It feels like a copout to say that the knights can't just stage a coup because they need to refuel eventually. Can't they just take turns? I look forward to the scenario where do stage a coup.

>>22258103
Koshka looks cute af anon
if only she was wearing her clothes

>>22257791
There are way more than four moles.

It's just that there are only four moles from the kings' order.

How do you think Yasu would've felt if the black Battler scenario actually happened? If Battler killed his whole family but remembered his promise, do you think that Yasu would accept him?

>mfw I realized that Battler is actually Beatrice's "Beatrice" a la the divine comedy

https://streamable.com/uckcs

>>22258215
my headcanon is battler's design a reference to the way Dante is always depicted

I hope Ryu spams "Walls of Peace" even more in Phase 2 to piss off the ADHD faggots complaining about it.

>>22257035
>alien technology
>third of the series

>>22258231
I can see the color scheme. Even the hat flopped to one side reminds me of Battler's combover.

>>22258244
>being this much of a fanboy

>>22258111
They're missing something before they can do that; their bonds aren't strong enough. I think maybe only Lingji has enough faith in Miyao's ideals and the mindset to rebel, but she can't convince her kette so it'd only be her.

>>22258247
Uchikoshi x R07 when?

>>22257329
Umineko never had magic. It was all a trick.

>>22258254
who are you quoting?

>>22257600
Is it likely that Koshka is the patented WTC "real MC"? After all, it's stated that Pandora's Box is able to change the world, or something like that. Even if you take into account the parts where she says she wants to destroy the world, that could be in reference to the simulation theory, or even just the idea of destroying a corrupt world noah's ark style and making way for a new one. Koshka gets my vote.

>>22258311
I'd love for it to be Koshka, but Phase 1 made it quite obvious that she's that relevant to the plot, so it makes me dubious. After all, not Ange nor Rika had the same treatment in the first arcs.

>>22258314
Ah, that's true, if it isn't Koshka my bet would probably be on one of the character's alternate personalities that we haven't seen yet. I think if each phase does focus on a different kette (or at the very least different combinations of characters) we're likely to see some of them and might have a better idea. If I'm remembering correctly, both Rika and Ange had their plot relevance at least hinted to towards the end of EP3 in both their respective games right? If this idea does make a return in Ciconia, I think it'd be a good idea to keep an eye out

Why the fuck do third worlders have to pay less than 20 dollars for this while we have to pay 40? This isn't how it's supposed to work it's like the complete opposite.

>>22258343
this game is like 1/10 of our minimum wage, give us a break

>>22258343
Are you a imbecile or what? Most undeveloped countries have currencies way more devalued than the dollar and on most developing countries it would be considered more expensive than the first world looking at minimum wages percentages.

>>22258343
Because Ryuukishi wants them to feel like wealthy LATO residents IRL.

>>22258371
Whenever a new game comes out I always see them complaining about 90 dollar pricing.

>>22258384
You're probably thinking of Australia

>>22258384
On digital? That could be people importing phisical copies from the US

The only thing I didn't like about Ciconia was the credits. No casualty report at the end like Higurashi and Umineko, and it should have ended with:
By the time you read this, I will probably already be dead.
To the one reading this, please uncover the truth.
That is my only wish.
--(insert character name here)

>>22258384
Most big titles do come with price tags like that these days here, even more so on consoles, but that's besides the point.

Wait, so what happened to the cagando cuties at the airport? Did they really get abducted and probed by aliens?

And factory hell is in some alien planet or on the Earth 1000 years into the future, right? No way mere humans could build all that machinery that extends into the horizon and as far as the eye can see. It's like the city of books.

KanonxJessica > BattlerxBeatrice > GeorgexShannon

The factory scene was the epitome of humiliation. I hope it happens during Gunhild's lifetime.

>>22258422
cagando cuties?

>>22258430
>that part where he said air was painful to his skinless body
that made me shit myself for some reason

>>22258437
>his
That was a girl talking I'm sure.

>>22258430
>tfw no humans around to jack off to the physical and mental humiliation of all those other humans
Unless the kings are overseeing it.

Wait, can Miyao actually multitask or can he only focus on one thing while Meow does something else? I guess they are not geniuses at all on their own.

He seemed pretty chill on the outside right after having a literal psychotic break with the introduction of Evilyao, so maybe that was Meow pretending to be him and continuing the oath conversation alone when the LATO oneechans showed up. Miyao was supposedly resting/unconscious but he was actually being mentally tortured by that asshole meta-Miyao within their subconscious while Meow talked with the cagandos.

>>22258498
That was before Meow was officially introduced, so it's possible "Miyao" was her after the Evil Miyao scene and not really Miyao. She also complimented Jayden a few times before that and the nametag said Miyao because she wasn't introduced yet.

>>22258498
They rarely show up together in the public bath server, so they must be sitting somewhere safe whenever they do.

>>22258498
I don't think blue Miyao is strictly 'evil'.

also, made-up numbers but a reasonable way of thinking about parallel processing power:
Jayden = 1 core, 20 threads
M(i)yao = 2 cores, 12 threads per core
Naima = 10 cores, 1~5 threads per core
Okonogi = 1 core, 2 threads*
*=prone to overheating, heat-sink chloe recommended

So yes, Miyao can actually multitask, just not as much as Miyao+Meow combined.

So what do you guys think about Miyao subconsciously wanting to create a disaster utopia to keep the peace?

Do you think that could be part of his 'programming' or something that was influenced by Toujirou?

>>22257041
>>22257050
>>22257690
Miyao being Tomitake's immaculately conceived butt-baby is not something I wanted to conceptualize today

thanks anons

>>22258661
Doesn't have to be immaculately conceived if you have Not-Takano around to impregger Not-Tomitake.

So what's up with that scene where Jestress shows her face to Tomitake and he acts like it's the face of his ex wife when she was young?

>>22258430
That's why humans are pathetic. They can be humiliated and tortured in such ways.

Witches have actual dignity because they don't have physical bodies. But since their dignity is unbreakable, they are also unlewdable.

>>22258734
Time travel. Cloning. Illegitimate daughter. Or just because she's blonde like Takano.

>>22258734
Considering Vier and Toujiro are Miyao/Meow's parents, it makes sense that she's either a clone of her or literally her but using a younger avatar.

Jestress has the exact same face as Miyao/Meow, so they are definitely her daughter.

>>22258774
Also, Jestress looks like Lambda, who looked like young Miyoko. Jestress is literally how Vier looked as a teenager/young adult, whether she's a clone or just Vier using an old avatar.

>>22258707

>>22258270
Two months ago.

https://0707toshokan.wordpress.com/2019/08/03/292/

>>22258384
CAPCOM always does this and it's fucking bullshit
fuck CAPCOM

Valentina and Maricarmen are programs installed in the unused part of their brains. That's why Seshat was able to delete their memories. Their real personalities have been taken over by the programs, who believe they are the real ones.

Evil Miyao is also a program trying to brainwash Miyao.

>>22258968
>>22258968
>Valentina and Maricarmen are programs installed in the unused part of their brains. That's why Seshat was able to delete their memories.
That would mean every politician on that meeting was a program

Evil Miyao being a program would explain why Keropoyo can interact with him and even chase him out. They are both installed in the same part of the brain, where selcom goes.

That's why he always appears right after a comfy chat in the public bath. He essentially has the role of keropoyo. Making Keropoyo a member will cost them dearly.

>>22257665
Meow

>>22259194
But that would make Jayden the main love interest an he's a bitch

So, hmmm.

Miyao is being fed a simulation. Him being the "cause" for everyone's deaths is because the world is being generated for him (loopingly?), making him, in a way, the only reason things happen and people die.

As for the reason, maybe somebody's trying to make him/humanity calculate/solve a problem through simulation?

I wonder if this makes any sense. I love reading mysteries and theories but I suck at creative thinking.

>>22258623
If I recall he was also the one who started thinking that humans would be better off in simulated reality during their happy little christmas party.
It just feels to me like he's starting to explore radical solutions outside the walls. And perhaps he'll choose one in the future, or one of the leaders of a faction could tell their plan and he'll be sympathetic. Like to the factory ending or the reset ending.

>>22258103
Koshka isn't damaged enough.

>>22259227
My memory is already fuzzy, right at the end when we are shown an invitation to join the Ninth Knights Order or wathever it was called, was it made clear that it was sent to Miyao?

>>22258408
There is no report because everyone isn’t dead and there is no loop. There likely will be one by Phase 3 or 4.

>>22257699
>I suspect the least
You do know that it’s a trope that the one you’re least suspicious tends to be the suspect, right?
Stan doesn’t really seem to love or value anything.
He also has a weird mention of how the guards in a concentration camp will never be forgiven for merely following orders. Considering that he is Polish, this adds a lot of dimension to it. And I suspect that he knows full well that bringing the end of the world is bad but he will do it anyway.

Koshka says at the end that the problem with the world is that people lack love. Ryukishi is upholding the Shakeperian view that if you do not have something you value and love, you become nihilistic and desire power for its own sake. You can use that as a tool to figure out who lacks love to be a spy.

>>22259285
Are you saying that without love it cannot be seen?

>>22259285
Ah so it can't be Chloe then because she loves dick

>>22259288
No, I'm saying that when there's love, you start to see stuff such as live being something worth living.

>>22257768
Three Kings assumed that the were 4 moles, but Jestress just avoided actually answering that question.

>>22259288
No, I'm saying that when there's love, you start to see stuff such as life being something worth living.

Before this came out, I was kinda worried that a lot of runtime would be taken by overly detailed fight scenes, but after finishing I feel the exact opposite, I think the only gauntlet fight that we properly saw was Miyao vs. Jayden at the very beginning, once the war actually starts they skip most of the action. I don't want to see every little skirmish, but stuff like Miyao vs Lingji was built up from the start of the game and we only saw the end of it. Not even a comment on the golden gauntlet.

>>22259300
Life is only worth living if you have Rethabile's pathetic brown ass sitting on your face.

What if everyone in Grave Mole is a MOLE?

>>22259312
No one from the AOU is a spy.

I wonder what she meant by that.

I need to make a list of whenever a character values or loves something.

>>22259303
Now that you mention it, is it just me or did the gauntlets themselves never get mentioned apart from the first description about how they look medieval armor-ish?

Which by the way clashes with what the sprites show.

>>22259303
Half of each character's bio is dedicated to their skillset too. I guess it will be more detailed in later phases. When they stop holding back and stop caring about the walls.
There's some interesting stuff from what I remember, like Koshka apart from the Pandora having a very small dimension space to work with, Lingji having "predictive ability" sixth sense and someone, I think Gunhild, has the ability to mess with 8MS.

I just realized that Stan could have been lying about receiving an email by Miyao to convince the rest of his squad to fight.

why you think that Battler is gay?

>don't tell others what you value in live
He's definitely the mole.

>>22259408
any character that's nihilistic in a Ryukishi VN should sound off massive alarms

>>22259458
what if she's just autistic who wants to pet little girls

>>22259332
Maybe her target is just whoever her Analyst told her to kill, though Miyao decided to protect that person?

Also, at the end of that scene, are we to assume that Lingji dropped her shield, or that Tomitake pulled some magic to drop Lingji's shield?
Would assume the former because of Miyao's whole "I trust you!" part, but Miyao didn't seem to suspect the same. ("wtf why did her shield drop" or something, instead of "I knew you'd come to your senses.")

>>22259467
then she's filled with love and knows whats good

>>22259473
>Also, at the end of that scene, are we to assume that Lingji dropped her shield, or that Tomitake pulled some magic to drop Lingji's shield?
I thought it was Miyao's gauntlet Tomitake was tempering with

I might need to go through more of the Ciconia again to find some parts with Chloe and Lilja. I'm also trying to find anything Sujatha, Rukhshana, Andy, Naiomi, Rethabile, Ishak, Abdou seem to value in life and love.

>>22259467
Autistic people are incapable of nihilism because they focus too heavily on a specific object or subject and love too much without further consideration for others.

>>22259489
It is. Tomitake gave Miyao a sort of boost that lead him destroy the shield of Lingji. She never dropped her shield. Miyao's dumb plan was to keep fighting until he was almost dead, forcing Lingji to not murder him. If Tomitake hadn't done anything, Miyao would have died.

>>22259385
I like this.
I can't think of (m?)any other instances of Miyao communicating with someone, where we don't get to see it in first-person. Don't we always see him announce the message he's about to send?

>>22259489
It was, but I'm open to him having used some vidya-hack-like-bullshit when taking control / changing parameters.

>>22259495
>Autistic people are incapable of nihilism
excuse me what

Why is everyone taking the "Mariana is autistic" thing seriously and using it to form their theories?

She just appears autistic on the outside because of completely different reasons, she's not actually autistic and her brain is neurotypical as fuck. She just has a bunch of unruly alters and we never know which one is speaking at any given time.

>>22259385
I was also weirded out by Miyao taking such a decision off-screen

>>22259507
The only autist is Asuka.

>>22259507
Rin is autistic but not nihilistic. Her problems was too much love for her act became self-destructive. What she lacked was a self-identity beyond creating art. Art is the integration of materials within reality to convey values, it is done with selective transformation according to the artist's soul in how they see reality. Each time you create art, you destroy a part of your soul that contains the subconscious integrated values as to selective transform it and convey it to others. Rin was on a pursuit of endless self-destruction from this process which is different from nihilism which is also self-destructive but comes from a hatred of reality and of the self. Rin did not hate herself, she hated that she could only express herself through her art.

But anyway, autistic people are incapable of nihilism because they tend to have a simplistic view of the world (depending on their level of autism, obviously) and are deeply attached to certain objects or subjects. This is why a lot of autistic people are very focused on a very limited amount of subjects and ignore a lot of other things. It's a cognitive form of limitation which isn't bad but that sort of thing actually allows autistic people to not fall to the dumb philosophical trappings of nihilism that originates from a intrinsic view on value rather than an objective one or a self-loathing of the self, something most autistic people are incapable of doing unless they hate the limiting aspect of being autistic. The higher you are on the autistic spectrum, the less you are to be nihilistic.

Ryukishi also understands this and it's the reason Mariana doesn't seem to care for friends or others beyond playing a game and wanting to pet Gannet because she's cute.

>>22259503
>I can't think of (m?)any other instances of Miyao communicating with someone, where we don't get to see it in first-person. Don't we always see him announce the message he's about to send?
We don't. We also don't know whether anyone else actually got that message nor can we confirm that Stan actually got that message. Since it's VR, you can't check. It's also interesting because, when he fights with Lingji, he emphasizes that he wants her to stop fighting. Why would he tell others to forgot about the Order of the Public Bath if he wants others to maintain its spirit, even when he's putting his life on the line to make Lingji accept it?

>>22259507
>suffers from the symptoms of autism but isn't autistic
Alright? I guess that still makes her autistic until her brain is fixed up?

>>22259507
Rin is autistic but not nihilistic. Her problems were too much passion for her art became self-destructive. What she lacked was a self-identity beyond creating art. Art is the integration of materials within reality to convey values; it is done with selective transformation according to the artist's soul in how they see reality. Each time you create art, you destroy a part of your soul that contains the subconscious integrated values as to selective transform it and convey it to others. Rin was on a pursuit of endless self-destruction through artistic expression. This creative process is different from nihilism, which is also self-destructive but comes from a hatred of reality and of the self. Rin did not hate herself; she hated that she could only express herself through her art.

Anyway, autistic people are incapable of nihilism. They tend to have a simplistic view of the world (depending on their level of autism, obviously) and are deeply attached to certain objects or subjects. This detachment is why a lot of autistic people are very focused on a minimal amount of subjects and ignore a lot of other things. Autism is generally a cognitive form of limitation. It isn't bad but it prevents autistic people from falling into philosophical trappings of nihilism that originates from a intrinsic view on value rather than an objective one or a self-loathing of the self; something most autistic people are incapable of doing unless they hate the limiting aspect of being autistic. The higher you are on the autistic spectrum, the less you are to be nihilistic.

Ryukishi also understands this and it's the reason Mariana doesn't seem to care for friends or others beyond playing a game and wanting to pet Gannet because she's cute.

>>22259503
>I can't think of (m?)any other instances of Miyao communicating with someone, where we don't get to see it in first-person. Don't we always see him announce the message he's about to send?
We don't. We also don't know whether anyone else actually got that message nor can we confirm that Stan actually got that message. Since it's VR, you can't check. It's also interesting because, when he fights with Lingji, he emphasizes that he wants her to stop fighting. Why would he tell others to forgot about the Order of the Public Bath if he wants others to maintain its spirit, even when he's putting his life on the line to make Lingji accept it?

>>22259507
>suffers from the symptoms of autism but isn't autistic
Alright? I guess that still makes her autistic until her brain is fixed up?

>>22259562
Suffers from some symptoms but not all. Assuming that she's literally autistic is a trap and makes you fall for ludricrous conspiracy theories.

I think she's still the mole, though.

>>22259574
>pretending to be autistic
Ryukishi wouldn't be that cruel to the demographic of his audience.

Rereading Higurashi for the first time in probably a decade.
Before I started this reread I honestly forgot just how good it really was. I was almost scared I wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much anymore and ruin my fond memories.

I'm up to Tsumihoroboshi right now and the scenes from Rena's PoV have me on the verge of tears.
I don't really remember much of the story details themselves, it's been forever after all, but what I do still remember is that when I first read this part forever ago I was struggling quite a lot IRL and going through pretty severe depression. Rena's story was probably one of the bigger things that finally caused me to go get help back then. It made a pretty lasting impact on my life.

I'm really happy I can still enjoy this series so much, no matter how jaded I've become over the years

>>22259572
while autistic people may be less susceptible to nihilism the higher you go on the spectrum, that doesn't they are incapable of hatred of reality and the self at all.

>>22259599
>This ship
NO

>>22259307
Who would want that?

>>22259599
In general, there are four requirements to be nihilistic
:
-a hatred of the metaphysics of reality (basically that reality is limited because A is A, etc)
-a hatred of the self through self-loathing (the internalized view you are incapable of doing anything, thereby you hate yourself for not being capable of accomplishing anything)
-a resentful hatred of others and values beyond mere envy for the previous two (others can accomplish something, and I hate that they can achieve excellence and that I can't)
-an inability or rejection to find any sense of joy in life (small pleasures such as drinking coffee, eating good food, seeking short term joy is bad)

You can still hate reality and yourself but still value something in life. So long as you some anything or something, you can anchor yourself and not fall into nihilism. Most people that become nihilistic are that way because they think values are impossible because nothing is intrinsic (an apple isn't valuable on its own, therefore it has no value, ignoring that you can only have objective value in relation to yourself with objective life-affirming values and requirements) while autistic people generally attach themselves to something they see as interesting or valuable. An autistic person that loves his dumb train toys or whatever can't become nihilistic, even if he hates reality or the fact that he's autistic because he still loves something. You only start resenting everything and become nihilistic when you truly lack love in every form. Even autistic people have at least one favorite food that they'll willingly eat and not give a damn about anything else.
I find it paradoxical that autism is a cognitive limitation that ends up embracing the metaphysical limitations of reality by proxy and lacking any self-awareness to actively hate others. The only possible conclusion is that autistic people are incapable of being nihilistic. I don't even think it's possible for any autistic person to not have a few small number of things things they focus all their mental energy on.

>They didn't reveal Meow's sex
I feel cheated

>>22259646
The zinger is that they are smooth down there

>>22259646
It's obvious that she's either a girl or a weird robot thing.

>>22259599
In general, there are four requirements to be nihilistic:

-a hatred of the metaphysics of reality (basically that reality is limited because A is A, etc)
-a hatred of the self through self-loathing (the internalized view you are incapable of doing anything, thereby you hate yourself for not being capable of accomplishing anything)
-a resentful hatred of others and values beyond mere envy for the previous two (others can accomplish something, and I hate that they can achieve excellence and that I can't)
-an inability or rejection to find any sense of joy in life (small pleasures such as drinking coffee, eating good food, seeking short term joy is bad)

You can still hate reality and yourself but still value something in life. So long as you some anything or something, you can anchor yourself and not fall into nihilism. Most people that become nihilistic are that way because they think values are impossible because nothing is intrinsic (an apple isn't valuable on its own, therefore it has no value, ignoring that you can only have objective value in relation to yourself with objective life-affirming values and requirements) while autistic people generally attach themselves to something they see as interesting or valuable. An autistic person that loves his dumb train toys or whatever can't become nihilistic, even if he hates reality or the fact that he's autistic because he still loves something. You only start resenting everything and become nihilistic when you truly lack love in every form. Even autistic people have at least one favorite food that they'll willingly eat and not give a damn about anything else.
I find it paradoxical that autism is a cognitive limitation that ends up embracing the metaphysical limitations of reality by proxy and lacking any self-awareness to actively hate others. The only possible conclusion is that autistic people are incapable of being nihilistic. I don't even think it's possible for any autistic person to not have a few small number of things things they focus all their mental energy on.

>>22259663
With a weird robot penis?

Perhaps this story is like a meta-timeline prequel?
Maybe Lambda's origin.
Though I do want to see Bern again in some form so I hope not.

why is jestress so cute?

>>22259489
>>22259473
i think they did mention that lingji could have ve defended it. but maybe the element of surprise got to her.

>>22259686
The whole "we are waiting of a player to fill in" and the weird connection Miyao has to not-takano and not-tomitake makes me thing so too.

>>22259572
First part of that post was meant for >>22259505

Just how hairy is Lingji's asian pussy?

>>22258838
>At first, I thought about title Kounotori no Naku Koro ni, but it sounded a bit like a title for a sub-replacement fertility counterplan
lmao
>If I had an opportunity I’d wanted to create a great game with lots of wonderful 3D animations!
Ciconia 3d fighting/shooting game when

>>22258498
since there are apparently gauntletknights without DID, it's probably that single personalities can use parallel-processing and personality splitting is just one of the potential side-effects.

>>22259839
>Ciconia 3d fighting/shooting game when
Ciconia Final Phase

>>22259385
>>22259503
At the same time, Miyao did tell everyone beforehand that, push comes to shove, they should prioritize self-preservation, the line went something like "Don't die includes social death, if you have no other options then do it" - so it's not that far out that he'd say that

>>22259408
desu we also had a few scenes about the same thing, especially the one where everyone tells Jayden how to date and the narrative goes 'it can be done in AOU, but not everywhere, and nobody will argue whose method is better)

>>22259880
>a forced shitty shooting minigame required to reach an ending
pls no

>>22259890
>desu we also had a few scenes about the same thing, especially the one where everyone tells Jayden how to date and the narrative goes 'it can be done in AOU, but not everywhere, and nobody will argue whose method is better
Yeah, he really pushed the cultural relativism in many scenes. Which isn't surprising because he's part of the an authoritarian religious group of states. Any country that doesn't promote free speech as an absolute is always totalitarian and cannot be trusted. It's very clear that a greater degree of individual freedom is always better, so fuck that 'nobody will argue whose method is better' because I'll argue it.
Although it might just be his cultural upbringing, it's still wrong. I want to go through the VN again and find anything that Stan might have said that was suspicious.

>>22259894
It will be a bullet hell
Even if you get shot down you can proceed like RGD. However you'll never see the true end...

>>22259911
>>22259890
Forgot my pic.

>>22259224
>As for the reason, maybe somebody's trying to make him/humanity calculate/solve a problem through simulation?
Kinda unrelated, but your idea reminds me of the game from which pic related come from, in which this theory is the most popular as of now. I don't want to go into spoiler territory

>>22259473
I think there's an entire narrative we don't see there. Particularly because of the weird jump-cuts and scenes being eclipsed by the Christmas party.

There's a ton of stuff we don't see. Some traitors probably moved on order, Linjgi got her golden gauntlet, hell, the Ninth Prime Orders could have taken the fight offscreen, as they were explicitly ordered to go into a warpath. We only see bits and glimpse of a narrative that should have spanned two or three chapters, of which the Lingji vs Miyao fight is only the very end.

>>22258392
It's like $57 here in aus which is about $20 less than code vein (for comparison's sake)

So who the fuck is they and why they want to beta from muv luv human brains

>>22259579
This single line is proof that everything is VR

>>22259951
It also shares alot of those concepts with the VN that someone working on Ciconia wrote.
I never see Myth talked about and it's so good and similar to WTC it should be.

>>22259586
People don't fondly remember Tsumihorobishi for no reason, anon. I'm glad for you, it's probably my favorite episode across all of what WTC has offered up to this point

Don't make her sad,read it!

>>22260098
stop sullying our girl with such things

that said, maybe hire an editor to convert it into coherent English

Koshka was the gift from god that was in the abyss vault right? The surgeons and researchers keep on referring to her as a gift from god, and Vier first says that maybe a person or a gift from god was sent. Is that why Koshka’s speaking style is really old? Meaning that AOU researchers knew about the underground translation facility? Sorry if this has been discussed already

>>22260111
She is autistic so she believe in erikantrice!!!!

>>22260098
Autistic or not her IQ will soon plummet to around 70 thanks to the satellite attack.

>>22260116
The evidence isn't conclusive but it sounds good.
Didn't even think of her accent as being a hint.

>>22259866
It's not a side effect in Miyao's case, through.

>>22259742
Asian girls are pathetic creatures with straight pubic hair, so probably very hairy and elegant.

>>22260116
Koshka is Pandora, Satan is imprisoned in the vault.

That doesn't quite match, on a mythological plane. Also Takano would have probably known if Koshka was from the vault, and said something, or actively helped her. If the thing from the vault had escaped, Takano would be all over it.

Also Seshat, in the epilogue, goes to the vault to release whatever is inside. If Koshka had already been released, she would:
1. Have known.
2. Not bothered.

There are no evidences that Koshka is from the vault, and a ton of circumstantial evidences that she isn't.

>>22260223
>Also Seshat, in the epilogue, goes to the vault to release whatever is inside
Are you sure that's what she was doing? This was the background at the time. I thought it would have been the 'bottom layer' background (where you could see the pit below) if that were the case.
As for the "object she held in her hand" that "poured a light like the rays of dawn", should I have taken that as being a key to the vault? That would probably make more sense than being the Mario-suicide device, which was the only gold-glowing thing that came to my mind. I couldn't fathom why she would be holding that.

It's an actual, literal me!

Mario!

>Higurashi
>Bible passages everywhere
>Aliens
>Secret society

>Umineko
>Christian culprit
>people using imagination to cope with life
>magic

>Ciconia
>Literal illuminati council of ominousness
>villains literally following the book of revelations
>actual aliens
>science so advanced it's practically magic
>selcom makes you see stuff in your head, imagination no longer necessary

>>22260359
The aliens in Higurashi arent even half an arc long

>>22260371
Hanyuu and her tribe are implied to be meta aliens in Minagoroshi.

>>22260359
I think the science in Ciconia is taking advantage of holy shit like souls. It's basically magic.

>>22260308
There's strong circumstantial evidences for that. No "proofs". But if you reread Ciconia two or three times, it seems to be what is happening.

The background there is from the Ark. Seshat comes, with a key made of light (Book of Revelation), to release "something". The only "something" that could be released in the Ark installation is from the vault. She even says afterwards that it would be the only way to ensure the compliance of "those two", "those two" presumably being Takano and Toujirou.

It's an abstract kind of proof. Reread the VN several time, absorb what's happening.

I have a good feeling about this Chloe lass.
I think she'll be as popular as Erika if given proper (S) development and (M) nurturing, with time.

I'm bad at drawing. Can someone use Toujirou for that specific meme

>>22258029
Super cute!
Who's the artist? RIS isn't proving too useful.

>>22260419
No because its not that meme at all.

>>22260308
I still don't get what is the side Seshat is on?

>>22260116
I've checked the nip version and could only see Koshka using "ora" and ending her sentences with ~ppe, which by the way is completely dropped in the translation. Is there anything else weird about her speech patterns?

>>22260590
Her.

>>22260717
Whomst?

>>22259664
>>22259664
>I don't even think it's possible for any autistic person to not have a few small number of things they focus all their mental energy on.
This can actually happen and its genuinely horrific. Interesting insight though anon.

Is Seshat human or is she something else? How come she can use a gauntlet?

If she's human, that's super pathetic. She's so smug, and yet she poops from her ridiculous brown ass.

>>22259338
What? The Warcats gauntlets are all literally knight armor. The pauldron even looks like a knight's helmet. Same goes for Grave Mole, though they look more flintlock. I agree that the others look very different though.

>>22260791
I had the theory she was AI and was seen IRL by hacked Selcom stuff but I am not sure and I don't have good arguments for it. Either way she felt like a human pretending to be a Goddess but she doesn't look like the description of Seshat how you describe her as well.
I have a shitty theory about her being the one wielding the Ogdoad Kek like it was theorized by /x/ being like some AI which is keropoyo. They also mention a lot about rolling dices which reminds me of the "praise kek for mighty GETS" but it could be absolutely nothing having to do with it.

>>22260846
I think the dice thing is just a reference to Higurashi, which was all about dice roll metaphors in the last two arcs. Rika and Takano kept talking about dice in their internal monologues.

>>22260846
She can't be an AI because she killed a dude.

Unless the dude himself never existed, since all their memories were erased. Maybe we were shown a fake scene that didn't ever happen.

After reading this I get very thoughtful of the world IRL. Not sure if I am a dumb very influenced person just falling into Ryukishi objective so easy or just was before just had a trigger. The whole Walls of Peace spam its like forcing some meme subconsciously on the reader for some objective.

>>22260902
Same, bro.
After reading Ciconia I can't help but think the world's got maybe a few hundred years left, if that.

>>22260906
Its not directly like that but I am an /x/fag so I get to meddle with some themes.

>>22260902
Ciconia definitely forces you to confront the issues humanity is currently facing. Pretty much all the problems it talks about are either present today or slowly emerging. It made me a bit paranoid over WW3 again...

>>22260944
Why paranoid about WW3 when its the opposite? Nobody wants war right now.

>>22260944
I really loved that moment with the news from all around the world talking about conflicting issues

>>22256855
Bless you. Thanks to you I cannot unsee this:
>She does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them.
>in the worlds
>not game

>>22260960
I guess I just developed some abstract feeling of impending doom from various little things I heard in the last few years. I wouldn't know what the situation is like, I actually haven't been following it at all...
>>22260970
The one where a bunch of conflicts blew up all at once? I loved that too, it felt really overwhelming.

>>22261012
Based!!!
I didnt notice this,so what are for you the worlds?

remember to join the erikantrice server
PTM9mz
assmad jannies will probably delete this, gonna repost

>>22261065
you're getting worse every day.

>>22261065
and you ruined it
you were doing so well until this
come on man

>>22261159
I dont post it
My fans do this!!!!

>>22261165
I dont post this
Other anon create this discord server!!!!
Pls believe me

>>22258432
Means shitting in portuguese

>>22261065
>discord
Anon...

>>22261220
no pls belive me
i didnt create this server
is full of people who hate me
https://erikce.booru.org/index.php?page=forum&s=view&id=1
i have this booru for the discussion

>>22261167
>fans
These are heretics, not fans. Someone who truly saw the light wouldn't do this.

>>22260791
She's the same as Hanyuu; she's an alien. The truth is that aliens like Hanyuu are only capable of appearing partially human. Her horns, for example, are as close as she can come to appearing human. I suspect that horns are a trait passed on from her alien form that lost all physical shape once they acquired the means of traveling through the meta. The same is true for Tamurahime in Higurashi Hou. She explains that the world is divided between territories and each have their own sphere of influence. In the entire Ryukishi-verse (which includes Higanbana), spiritual energy is accumulated in relation to how much human influence people have in you with an anchor. Hanyuu for example has Rika but her power comes form people worshiping her. Hanyuu was able to acquire more power due to the paranoia of the deaths. Beatrice got her power similarly with people trying to solve the mystery of deaths on the island. In Higanbana, a Youkai gains power in relation to the rumors being spread about them.

With Seshat, I suspect that her name is a clue: she is an alien deity of knowledge. Seshat was the ancient Egyptian goddess of wisdom, knowledge, and writing. She was seen as a scribe and record keeper, and her name means she is the scribe that invented inventing writing. In essence, she represents human knowledge in every context and form. Her power likely comes from everyone being tied to VR that can wikipedia anything they want. That's how she can interact directly in the VR but also outside of it. If you look at the Character Tips, one of her powers is Ghost--the ability to hide her existence from records--and if she is the one to keep the records of knowledge, it makes sense that she can alter it.

To yeah, my conclusion is that Seshat is an alien, similar to Hanyuu and Tamurahime. The enemy are also aliens that want to consume every human for their own benefit. The two players in this chess match is that of knowledge versus foreknowledge. If all of humanity dies, so does its knowledge.

Final piece of information, deities are not meta-beings but can use partial elements of the meta. This is because they are nonetheless still physical beings unless witches that were born purely from the meta. Hanyuu was the guardian deity and sacrificed herself and became stuck as an abstract in the physical world. Bernkastel is the collected memories from Rika given a name by Rika in Rei and then removed her shackles to roam the meta. Hanyuu explained to Rika that she traveled using a ship that can go through the meta and cover fast distances. Arguably, the highest degree of civilization is the ability to use the meta for personal gain but still being bound to it. I also suspect that 'spiritium' is related to some extraction from the meta in some form.

>>22261226
you have rigth!!!
this people try to destroy my credibility

>>22261239
Hanyuu was just featherine tho

>>22261253
Yes and no. She's partially Featherine but also not. Hanyuu is the incarnation of Featherine's headset piece that was broken. This is why Hanyuu's horn was broken, and Lambda mentions that her headset was broken at one point. What happened is that this broken piece of the headset took over for Featherine as she went to sleep to recover the damage. The issue is that Hanyuu took a passive stance reflective of Featherine not giving any orders, so Rika was forced to solve the mystery on her own without anyone to help her.
You also have to remember that every 'piece' in the gameboard also has a causal relationship with reality; they never appear out of nowhere, even if it seems like they do. Everything has to be set up with certainty. Erika is a good example, as she exist merely to be a game piece detective but also has an extensive backstory with a romantic element, etc.

Nonetheless, Hanyuu is still an alien within the causal context of the world, regardless of the reason for her inclusion for the gameboard.

>>22259586
i hope you enjoy denpa because this is your last chance

>>22258422
>Wait, so what happened to the cagando cuties at the airport?
Is this from the tips too?

>>22261065
The shit I saw in here proves we've got /v/ underages in the threads.
We knew that before yes, but direct proof like this just makes you feel filthy.

>>22261383
>/v/
i am not of discord
pls stop this!!!!!
i just join this group for defend my thery from trollers

>>22261401
>i am not of discord
>i just join this group
Pick exactly one.

>>22261477
i belive that was a group of my fan.
when i join i discover that everyone here eccept one hate me and start to insult me and my theory.
so i start to defend my theory!!!!
pls i am not a discord traanny i have my manifesto and booru!!!!

>>22261488
I'll believe you, don't worry. You don't look like the kind of person who'd resort to broadcast cancerous discord servers. I may not agree with your theory, but you're not a bad person anon.

>>22261515
thanks man
different opinions are the base of our civilization

>>22261030
World means world. You could say Erika does not exist on earth until End of the Witch. Because her TIP in the 6th game states her
-parents- believes her daughter [Erika Furudo] got involved in the incident.
Therefore Erikanon makes sense, because the red truth should NOT refer to Furudo Erika but to someone else - the culprit. It means Kanon didn't use Erika until the 5 th game.

>>22261065
>not realizing this is a fake erikantriceposter by how fluent in English it is
Cmon, guys

>>22261557
very great job.

>her-parents- believes her daughter [Erika Furudo] got involved in the incident.
literally kinzo.

if you have other theories like this tell me
erikantrice now has more sense.

leah will be impregnated by me while the rest of Yeladot watches

So where is Britain?
A world war without eternal anglos or germans is baffling.

>>22261639
they're in the ABN, assumedly in the background after getting nuked to death.
>L O N D O N became reality

>>22260791
she probably has access to technology which disposes waste directly from her intestines. don't underestimate the sandnigger whore

>>22261615
i will impregnated the entirety of yeladot while you watch