/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I bet you were just WAITING EAGERLY for the app to be released to post this thread. Just go back to your cesspool on /v/.

>>22171118
Its not even official you retard.

not official

fate took kancolle's place, etc. etc. who cares

>>22171118
man you fatefags are salty all the time aren't you,your game is winning anyway so what's your deal?

>>22171118
yes and? do I care that theres a gacha that at least derives its stuff from fanworks as well? Fate is actual trash

>>22171300
i'd be salty too if the creator of my favorite series was regularly whoring out his old beloved characters for whales to dump money on
i can't imagine how butthurt older TYPE-MOON fans get over the state of that garbage company these days

how do i get my pre register bonus my dudes

Should I reroll again for Alice/Youmu? Or should I content with this mother-daughter duo?

>>22171360
They're already on your chest.

Gachaniggers are an embarrassment.

>>22171393
Does everyone who downloaded this game get this bonus?

Opinions on the voice actors and model rigs?

>>22171436
Yea.

Is there any strategy in this game? I have been playing for 40 minutes and it still feels like I’m just wandering randomly until l win or lose.

>>22171336
Older typemoon fans stopped caring seriously about anything Nasu made since before the turn of the decade. The only good thing past 2010 is Mahoutsukai no Yoru and the animes.

I've no clue how this game works

>>22171590
Then you're only a carbon copy of my Yukari, and that's just pathetic.

>No Byakuren
I guess Aniplex really doesn't want my money. That's a shame.

Speaking of which, what's the legal shtick with this scenario? Unofficial or otherwise, this is a lucrative game and just citing Team Shanghai Alice under copyright doesn't mean ZUN is making anything from this, seems a bit of a gray area.

>>22171611
I think they are gonna add her in later. It makes no sense to me that they add in komachi as well, but no eiki. What were they thinking?

>>22171511
I mean, it's literally dice, I'm not sure what else it would be other than random.

>>22171508
>model rigs
Fine for what they are, it's typical Live2D affair.
>voice actors
I'm probably just used to the M-1 Grand Prix voices, but it seems off to me. Especially Reimu and Sakuya.

>>22171611
ZUN gave his approval for it, which is why you see some people think its semi official or some shit despite it being literally just him saying "yeah ill allow it".

>>22171649
Seems odd that he's okay with it, considering that it's Aniplex. Last time they were involved in the Ufotable affair he shut that shit down instantly.
I hope he's getting a cut of this, it's his IP and I'm not too keen on Aniplex getting fatter off Touhou without paying dues where they belong.

>>22171665
Im sure ZUN has everything laid out in a way he finds suitable. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the doujin circles that contribute get some kind of compensation if thats the case (which I think it likely is with how ZUN is with Touhou).

>>22171118
yo is it out ? how do i download it

>>22171840
By being japanese anon. All the people here playing it right now are in Japan.

>>22171118
Salty, salty.

OP's idiocy aside, how's the unit in this game? Like are there actually alternate version of the same character or are we looking at a hard cap of however many 2hus there are?

>>22171881
isn't there any other way ?

How do you unlock more music tracks? That's not in the gatcha, by the looks of things.

>>22171118
>shitty fangames reflect the franchise itself
lol secondaries

>>22171889
I get them by playing the story.

>>22171665
>Last time they were involved in the Ufotable affair he shut that shit down instantly.
They weren't supposed to do something with it and didn't listen. If they listen then there's no issue

>>22171888
I was kidding anon. Everyone uses the QooApp

>>22171896
Fair enough, two seemed a little sparse to start off with.

>>22171913
thanks i did it!

What the fuck are the victory conditions in the game, I don't understand.

>>22171336
To be fair, touhou is too good for this. Gatchashit is cheap garbage that doesn't even classify as "entertainment." The characters deserve better than this.

Will cannonball even fail? It has aniplex + well known seiyuu.
It is only a matter of time before an anime is greenlited to promote the gacha kusoge. 2hu is finished, soon people will know 2hu for its jewgacha kusoge rather than the original shooting games.

English release when ?

>>22171998
literally never

>>22171979
Just read the condition screen

>>22171979
One of the victory conditions is stepping on the shrine, activating whatever there is there using your CB and then going to the highlighted square.

>>22172036
>>22172038
Yeah, I got there in the end, why is there a three-tier CB payment thing at the shrine? If I paid less than tier 3 it wouldn't unlock the goal or something? This honestly is kind of bewildering and I've no idea why random unrelated characters show up mid-board game.

>>22172048
I believe you get better rewards at the end the higher the level.

>>22172056
Fair enough.

another trash gacha that nobody wants... great

>>22172099
He posted it again! Congrats man! Epic!

>>22171118
Big if dubs.
>>22171875
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Above poster doesn't read the sub forums at all due to the screaming.

wont it release in english just like lost word ?

>>22171995
last time someone made a touhou anime with well known seiyuu, zun said he was worried it would be mistaken for an official anime and they stopped producing episodes after that.
the chances of aniplex creating a touhou anime is pretty low unless they make it VERY clear that it's doujin, and even then why would a big company make a doujin anime when they have actual big projects to work on?

What are the use of repeated characters?

all these gachavirgin players that are so pure and uncorrupted by playing gacha...
it's beautiful... I could cry

>>22172166
Why would it?

>>22171995
You understand that is exactly why ZUN would never allow an anime right? ZUN has said himself that he wants people to know Touhou as a videogame series before anything else. Even if Canonball released some sort of anime short or something I really doubt it will change the perception of Touhou at all (in Japan at least, where it matters).
Stop being so damn cynical.

i downloaded it
rolled for my waifu, yuugi
did not get yuugi

did you enjoy my haiku?

>>22172254
you did it! you broke down gacha to its bare essentials!

>>22172234
because i want to play it on english, they should do it for me

>>22171393
i think i have that youmu image on my computer

How do I download this and play if I'm not Japanese?

>>22172411
>>22171913

Is there a reason why ZUN has such a stick up his ass about allowing official works? Most fans want an anime and official games and merch. Is it just because of "muh niche subculture" autism? It's not like anyone even knows Touhou based on the games, the vast majority of fans associate Touhou with porn and art and music before even knowing about the official games.

>>22172213
You can increase their rarity, somehow. Not sure, I don't have duplicates of the same rarity yet.

>>22172254
There is no Yuugi in the gacha yet.

>>22172437
You need materials

>>22172436
>Is it just because of "muh niche subculture" autism?
Yes.

>>22172436
Because it's his series and he's not letting anyone else put their filthy hands on it.

>the vast majority of fans associate Touhou with porn and art and music before even knowing about the official games
Then they're not fans.

Which girls are in the game so far?

>22172436
Off yourself secondary scum.

>>22172476
You mean appearing in general or actually in the gatcha? Because a bunch appear who aren't obtainable yet.
The current gacha pool is, as far as I can tell:
>Reimu
>Marisa
>Cirno
>Pache
>Sakuya
>Remi
>Flan
>Letty
>Alice
>Youmu
>Yuyuko
>Ran
>Yukari
>Wriggle
>Mystia
>Tewi
>Reisen
>Nitori
>Kogasa
>Murasa
>Tojiko
>Futo
>Kagero
>Sagume
>Aunn

>>22172436
>most fans want
speak for yourself
>an anime
pure entry level shit that would bring in nothing but casuals and likely wouldnt even be better than the doujin animes
>official games
there ARE official games and tons of doujin games
>and merch
there's a shitload of merch you faggot

What is 幻コイン for?

>>22172436
>Most fans want
lol

>>22172453
I see. Then I really don't know what duplicates are for, oh well.

>>22172436
It is an official game, as official as FGO and Kirara Fantasia. 2hu shitters just cant accept that their idol sold out hardcore

>>22172499
please leave jaypee kudasai

>>22172486
Damn that's pretty limited. I wonder if I should just wait until my favorite character gets into the pool.

>>22172499
They wouldn't put 二次創作 on all the legal spiel if it was official.

>>22172504
I'm going to wait. Unless that 4*+ ticket you get at the start is going to expire, hopefully not.

>>22172509
Why? Is it illegal?

>>22172514
Probably. Japan does have copyright law, even if it's only occasionally enforced. But more importantly they'd advertise it as official rather than derivative if it was, adding authenticity is invariably going to market better to a general consumer base.

>>22172473
>>22172487
>>22172495
>Fans don't want more content!!!! 2hu needs to be a super sekret klub with 5 faggots circle jerking 4eva!!!

Idiots like these are why ZUN doesn't want to make anything officially. Unfortunately ZUN would rather smell his own farts than make a good franchise and some hardcore retards in the fanbase reinforce that idea. Despite the fact that going official with an anime / major game would do nothing but help this dying franchise and actually lead to more fan made masterpieces

>>22172533
quote

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>>22172487
>>22172495
>>22172473
>True fans would rather see the series burn out and die than see it become popular and get more fan works!
You aren't fans of Touhou, you are just retards who want to be in a secret club and think being niche makes you extra special. Kindly fuck off.

>>22172530
What 'authenticity'? Why would people that don't know about Touhou care if it's derivative or not?

>>22172533
The fuck do you mean more content? There's plenty of fucking Touhou content out there, there's even a fucking fan-made anime you retard. I have no clue what your gripe is.

>>22172533
>dying franchise
lol

>>22172549
No, I just want you to stop considering yourself as the spokesman for the fanbase.

English when?

>>22172555
Touhou The Official Mobage is always going to look more significant than "this game is derived from the Touhou series owned by Team Shanghai Alice", especially when you have actual competition like Lost Word, for example.
But apart from anything else in the legal fineprint that it's a derivative product based on the official product is a pretty good tell that it's not official.

Kuso thread.

>>22171118
Honestly the game looks pretty cheap, aniplex didn't do much with it.

>>22172558
How fucking new are you? Compared to 5 years ago the amount of fan content has completely fallen off a cliff. Hell a decade ago when I was in HS I remember there being dozens of new fan games, hundreds of new music tracks, thousands of pieces of art / doujins every comiket. Now Touhou is barely in the top 3. So there may be plenty of content but most of it is old and hardly anything new gets made because people have lost interest. If ZUN doesn't want to revitalize interest with a new anime or game then the series will sink and die as it has been doing slowly for the past half decade

>>22172564
>No, I just want you to stop considering yourself as the spokesman for the fanbase
The irony

The gacha is gonna be forgotten and thankfully this isnt like fate where im gonna make an historical figure get big titties and have 114514 doujins for said character.

It looks okay, voice actors are iffy, and its a gacha so I wont pour much into it

>>22172653
The production value is actually very good, significant money went into this. It's at least on par with the Madoka gacha game. The problem is the game itself is shit, who thought it would be a good idea to make a gacha touhou game without any combat

>>22172682
to be fair the madoka gacha game is also cheap looking and shit gameplay and they're both produced by aniplex. about the only thing that both have in common is that they paid a lot for seiyuus, live2d and art so they're just polished turds.

>>22171519
>caring about anything Nasu has made
The guy hasn’t written a single thing that isn’t absolute trash. His writing reeks of aspergers and the only good Type-moon entries are the ones penned by other authors like Zero by Urobuchi or Strange Fake by Ryōgo Narita. KnK is only good due to the Ufotable adaptations, the LNs are a mess. Did any of you watch that god awful /Extra anime? Had some of the worst writing I’ve ever seen, and it was written and directed by your boy Nasu

>>22172682
Can you increase the resolution in the settings？My phone runs it smoothly but it looks very grainy on a 1080 x 2160 screen.

I like how lightweight the game is, but the menu design, sound effects and everything feel pretty cheap. Lost Word looks better.

>>22172699
People should take a look at Priconne if they want to see a high budget mobile game. Or Starlight Stage. From less popular titles, Megido72, Dankira and Project Tokyo Dolls have better models and outfits

>>22172682
>>22172699
There is combat, it's just kind of watered down as far as I can tell so far.

>>22172533
Official anime might attract more fans, but on the other hand the fanbase might become stale because they do what exactly like how it is in anime than the usual artistic liberty.

>>22172676
You know that bi-yearly Reitaisai and Koroumu exist, right?
Like 50% of Touhou works are released there, if not more.

Wait, it's out? Fuck, I just stopped rerolling in Kemono Friends.

>>22172571
When is Lost Word coming out anyway? I'd assume they wouldn't wanna wait too long after Cannonball to release.

>>22172832
Supposedly there's going to be an update at Autumn Reitaisai, so hopefully we'll know soon enough.

>>22172676
How new are YOU? Reitaisai and Koroumu still exist, and with their numbers it still far exceeds what Fate and Kancolle has.
The majority of fanworks get released there now. Even then, Touhou still manages to get Top 3 in Comiket and have it's own dedicated day.
Not every single thing gets scanned and brought to attention here, ESL. Western 2hu fans might be dying because they're all over on the next fad, but the fandom where it matters is more stable than ever.

>>22172681
Game Twitter already crossed over 100k follows.

List of things that tried to kill Touhou, in no particular order:
>kancolle
>official manga
>official western releases
>ports of fan games on consoles
>secondaries
>zun's wife
>zun's kid
Update:
>mobile fangames

>>22172852
>dedicated day
lmao

>>22172436
the games are released on Steam now, so its a matter of time

>>22172864
this game will literally do jack shit besides "oh hey a gacha exists"

i like touhou it has cute girls in it and the music is good

>>22171118
IDK what this is but I'm gonna break my never playing gacha rule just so I can whale for Reisen

>>22172876
revolutionary opinion anon, I applaud your bold dedication to voice what everyone was scared to

>>22172852
This holy shit. People are fucking retards. We had 3 official manga running at the same time for years too.

>>22172893
So far, Touhou 17 seems to be really well received.
We have more running official fanmade anime series than ever before, currently three.
More high-quality fangames are being made, now with ZUN allowing Steam 2hu fangames.
A lot of high quality MVs are being made, like with Shoujo Fractal and Shinra-Bansho.
2hu non-h doujins are still going strong, some are even coming back. While people like bkub are gone, writers like Zounose and Fuantei have taken center stage instead.
Fanmade music is still being made like crazy, literally nothing changed. Maybe there's more western fanmade music now.
Koroumu has gotten bigger, and Reitaisai is still really big. Touhou still has top 3-5 in Comiket despite the massive competition nowadays.
MinusT now exists unlike 10 years ago.

Touhou reclining has always been a doomposting meme.

>>22172852
>This level of denial
You think 2hu is still the Juggernaut it used to be in Japan? I have news for you, just like the Western fan base has died out so has the Nip fan base. Fate easily eclipses it in both fanart and doujins now, even if you take Reitaisai and Koromu into account. There is no denying that the franchise has declined since 2010 or 2005 etc...

It's popular still, but in the old days it was untouchable now it's below Fate and arguably Kancolle. And more franchises are getting bigger as Touhou shrinks. Sorry if it puts your sekret klub out of business but if Touhou doesn't get something big very soon it's not going to last another 10 years.

>>22172876
enjoy it while you still can...........

>>22172872
That's exactly the point I'm making.

>>22172936
I've been away from 2hu for a long time, was thinking about coming back for cannonball but it looks pretty shit so far. Any interesting fangames made in the past 5 or so years that are worth checking out? I think the last thing I played was Labyrinth of Touhou 2

>>22172956
> Fate easily eclipses it in both fanart and doujins now
No, it doesn't. I was the guy that added pixiv numbers in a past thread, and it still takes
fate + kancolle + pokemon + azur lane + gfl + vtuber + imas + love-live
to barely eclipse Touhou in Pixiv non-h numbers. You'd think if it was dying since 10 years ago it would've been destroyed by now by all these big things.
Literal state of doomposting.

>>22172436
There are several reasons why ZUN doesn't want "official" anime or games outside of doujin scope. Mainly because that means he has to share copyrights with several corporations and partially lose control of his own creations, which might lead to:
-Those corporations might limit the allowance of fan-content
-ZUN will be pushed to create more content than what his abilities allow
-When ZUN can no longer supervise everything then the quality will become more inconsistent

The problem is less about being elitist, but rather even if "bigger" official content do attract more fans, the nature of the franchise and fanbase might change completely, probably in negative light.
I for one glad ZUN would never end up like Nasu who is currently at the end of his wits and his franchise lose all its charms and become something else. Even if ZUN recently allowed big corporations to touch the tip of the franchise, he still grip the core series tightly and completely under his control and leisure.

>>22172956
Touhou's past booming was one-hit wonders. You don't have to recreate the same miracle.
What important is that it's still getting a lot of contents. It's just went from phenomenaly popular to very popular.
And I'll take that than taking the risking than throwing everything into the gutter like Nasu did.

>>22172984
That's only if you account for ALL art, of course newer series have less total artwork than a franchise that has been around for 20+ years. But if you look at each year individually there is a clear trend of Touhou having less and less art and Fate and KC having more and more. Especially for r18 art or actual h doujins

>>22172987
*I'll take that than risking throwing everything into the gutter like Nasu did
Fuck

>>22172967
FMW Complete just came out and it's probably the best Touhou fangame ever made. Only the first 2 games are translated, though.
Puppet Dance Performance: Shard of Dreams is the best Touhou "pokemon" out there. It's not that recent of a release (2015) but it's great.
Luna Nights is short but real sweet.
Genso Wanderer seems to be really popular and well-regarded, but I haven't played that much of it to say.

>>22172967
Tenjou no Tempest is fantastic. Tasofro's stuff is still good (Shoot Shoot Nitori and the MarisaLand games). I haven't played it myself, but I hear that one Pokemon game is great too.

how are you guys playing the game?

>>22173007
>m-muh fmw
Fuck off, retard.

>>22173014
I just uninstalled it.

>>22172984
No one uses Pixiv anymore

>>22172987
As someone who read the VN way back when it was first translated and followed Type Moon forever, the idea that FSN was better back then than it is now is dumb shit secondaries say to sound cool. Outsourcing your work and allowing more collaborations, official collaborations, is a great way to expand and grow and make the series more interesting. Look at works like Fate Strange Fake, Fate Zero etc... which some argue eclipse the original VN. ZUN is a creative guy, but he isn't the smartest guy ever. There are people who can see his work and reinvent it and add to it, if the same person keeps pushing his work over and over it eventually becomes stale.

In my opinion what Nasu has done with Fate is great, now we have a ton of different series that appeal to many different people, brand new and great characters, the community is bigger than ever, the works are better than ever etc... And all that without even discussing FGO.

On the other hand someone like Ryukishi07 is an example of what not to do. Animation studios butchered his original work and he has enraged his fanbase over and over for years.

At the end of the day going official and expanding the franchise isn't necessarily bad if you are selective and can manage it well. Like Nasu, ZUN would have a lot of leverage and be able to QC much better. He probably just doesn't want the added stress of having to step into a more business / management role

>>22173021
Yep, it's all on Twitter now.

>>22172995
Pokemon has been around in the same year as Touhou and only beats it if you add Deviantart (aka everywhere else in the world) in the mix. Fate has been around ever since Touhou actually got popular and has never beat it.
Touhou isn't reclining, lad. Show me your numbers instead of guessposting your doomposting. Even Google Trends has it in no.3 in Japan still.

>>22173021
Much harder to actually quantify.

>>22172967
Luna Nights is a gorgeous and quite fun game. I'd like it even if the Touhou themes were stripped away.

I hope both this game and Lost Word are successful, Touhou needs the influx of new fans. The number of newly scanned doujins is pathetic compared to what it used to be.

>>22173032
This is top quality bait.

>>22173064
Most of the upload community (at least the english speaking side, dunno how chinas doing) has died out in favor of people yelling at each other to support the creators and buy their works on places like Booth or Dlsite.
We need more brave souls willing to fly to events to upload new works.

touho is desd, fate and new; dol games are popular, lol even azur lane is getting more fanarts than touhou pfhahaha

>>22173032
>He probably just doesn't want the added stress of having to step into a more business / management role
Yeah, that sounds reasonable. He's just the guy who like to make games when he feels like it. Pushing him into more work is not a good idea, and he already bother himself to write and supervise his manga, print-works and fighting games.

>Look at works like Fate Strange Fake, Fate Zero etc... which some argue eclipse the original VN.
Some people will disagree. On the other hand, Apocrypha, F/GO, Extra, etc exist and these are just full of waifubait while unneccesarily make the original lore more convoluted, and at that point the franchise is no longer Nasu's.

>>22173086
Is there a request thread or something for things being sold at comiket? I'm going to the December one.

>>22173109
Sometimes there is, make one when the date gets close enough. I'm sure people will appreciate the effort.

Doomposting is fucking stupid.

I just want my Alice ;_;

>>22173038
I did the data gathering for the doomposters, just for them.
Touhou had a sizeable decrease in yearly fanart after Kancolle got popular, but after that it barely decreased in number. Even when FGO released it didn't really affect it much. As many said, it seems to have just stabilized from it's previous ridiculous numbers.
At the absolute worst the number decreases at around 5000 fanart per year. Seems like a decent amount, until you realize with around 120,000 fanart yearly it'll take 24 years until it dies.
Of course, that's taking the worst amount so far since Kancolle. 2017 and 2018 only have a 1000 difference in fanart, which is absolutely nothing relatively. It probably can be attributed to people going to twitter as their main site as some people have said here.
So, yeah. It's less dying out and more mellowing. At worst what people are feeling are the english 2hu fan community having more drama and more divided.

Is anybody actually translating menus and options or are we all just shitflinging and complaining about it?

>>22172956
>It's popular still, but in the old days it was untouchable now it's below Fate and arguably Kancolle
Sounds like you're obsessed with dick-measuring contest more than anything.

>>22173313
Why?

>>22173313
I'm sure there will be translations given the hype surrounding this

>>22173313
just read it, it's right there

>>22172967
Here’s one I’ve been looking forward to for a while, it releases soon

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1122050/Gensokyo_Night_Festival/

>>22172967
Super Boobhu RPG

Is rerolling fast in this?

>>22173414
Pretty fast, the game install is quick and the tutorial only takes like 2 minutes so you can reroll every 5 mins or so.

>>22173296
Already a bit off topic, but another thing to add just because I feel like it and more context, Touhou has had a 25,000 decrease in yearly fanart since 2014 (around Kancolle's peak) in comparison to 2018. 145,000 to 118,000.
Kancolle, in the same time period, had a 60,000 decrease. 135,000 to 75,000. If we compare even just 2017 to 2018, it had a 20,000 decrease. 93,000 to 75,000.
Seems like Kancolle is the one reclining, when will it actually stabilize?

I have a 4 star Reimu equipped but in story mode the 3D Reimu model just looks normal. Is it supposed to be like that?

>>22171649
Do we have the exact screenshot where he says he allows it? I need a source, please.

>>22172956
why the fuck would i care if touhou is #1 at comiket or not. There's still a ton of Touhou at Comiket and Reitaisai is still big. Touhou numbers have stabilized and are consistent at Comiket. It will never be MOF peak again but it doesnt have to be.

im not interested in having a dick wagging contest with Fate, im interested in enjoying Touhou with people who are passionate about it as a doujin series.

>>22173313
I know Japanese but I ain't gonna translate this shitty game for the sake of shit-eating ESL.

Fuck /jp/ and everyone who plays this game. You guys would ZUNs shit.

>>22173032
>There are people who can see his work and reinvent it and add to it, if the same person keeps pushing his work over and over it eventually becomes stale.
I think this is very much part of Touhou's success: fans have been able to tell their own stories through Touhou. That being said, I doubt 'going official' would change any of this, given that the fans are still allowed to create games as they are today. It could even be argued that Touhou already has gone 'official', seeing as the fighting games are made by an actual studio with more than 1 employee and are released on commercial platforms.

Also, you are absolutely right about Fate/Stay Night. I read it way back when I was a teenager on this site to fit in here (I guess), and while the concept is interesting the execution was mostly garbage back then.

>>22173436
While slightly off-topic, I think this kind of data is interesting. How do you gather the data? Tagged images on pixiv or other sites? I have a script for monitoring pixiv tags, but I can't login due to capcha, so it doesn't include NSFW images.

>>22172436
Doujin subculture is what made it big, ZUN's not stupid.
Also you seem to be mistaking /v/-/vg/ sewage for "most fans", they're very much outside the majority

>>22173408
I support this post.

>>22173608
>and while the concept is interesting the execution was mostly garbage back then.
I always enjoy when people say this type of thing but never elaborate
It's almost like they know they're spewing bullshit

>>22173443
Presumably it's somewhere in this talk he gave with the Cannonball devs but I can't read JP.

https://touhoucannonball.com/special/book/

>>22173699
I'm not going to be able to give an intelligent opinion on a VN I binged over a decade ago, except for vague general impressions and a few memorable scenes. Fans will obviously have a more elaborate opinions on the VN, since they are more invested and thus have spent more time thinking about it; this doesn't invalidate the experience of the non-fans.

>>22173633
Tagged pixiv images and just comparing them by year using the filter, really simple stuff. I don't have r-18 on on my comparison, though.
Tried with r-18 on with Kancolle and it doesn't change much. 108,000 in 2017 to 88,000 in 2018. If anything the decrease is a bit worse.

>>22173729
translate it weebs

>>22173807
yummy yummy cummies on my tummy

>>22173817
Do not abuse spoiler function kudasai.

>>22173442
Select your 4* raymoo in profile menu and it should automatically use the Live2D model.

>>22173773
I guess we are doing pretty much the same thing, then, except I'm not monitoring KanColle or Fate, just 2hu characters.
It'd be nice to extend it to Twitter or something, just to see if the "everyone has moved to Twitter" argument has any merit, but it'd significantly complicate the script since I would need to check for duplicates, while I currently don't even need to look at individual images to just get the total from Pixiv. Do you know if there is a more elaborate script for actually mining images from Pixiv around?

>>22173849
>just to see if the "everyone has moved to Twitter" argument has any merit
It should be also noted that they are some new artists that are posting their art only on twitter.

>>22173436
>>22173296
As much as I hate g*cha, this is literally the only thing that can revive Touhou. Yes, even more than TH17. K*ncolle is reclining thankfully, but how about Az*r L*ne?

>>22173876
A Chinese ripoff of Kancolle is laughable.

>>22172436
Since you got real answers I'm just going to follow my heart and call you a stupid faggot.

>>22173849
I don't really know any.
Another thing to mention is that Twitter is globally used unlike pixiv which is mostly just Japanese people. If a reliable script for Twitter exists, you can still compare 2hu yearly rates but the sample is a lot more general and "diluted", if you can call it that.
What's always looked at since the dawn of time are non-west numbers so if you're autistic about that it complicates things even more.

>>22173903
In other words, touhou is almost certainly not reclining in any meaningful sense and didn't need gacha to save it. As if sacrificing your principles for a couple years of being a meme is a worthwhile trade.

>>22171602
thanks for reminding me that abomination of a game existed

>>22173869
If everyone just posted their art once, that'd make things easy. We're not playing this on easy modo, though.

Azur Lane X Touhou Project soon

>>22173296
This. While there was a decline. It's done better for series rather than having it be a flame that burns itself entirely out. What Touhou did was ridiculous and unsustainable. The fanbase is better off after dumping the trend chasers.
A smaller base that won't clamor for change too radical.

I seriously hope you guys don't actually play this garbage.

>>22173880
>A Chinese ripoff of Kancolle is laughable.
Yet tons of god tier Japanese artists are sucking it's dick and a lot of them used to be Touhou artists which adds salt to the wound.

>>22174007
We're not. It's shallow as fuck and worth no more than an hour of entertainment before it hits the trash. Unlike other franchises Touhou actually has real games.

>>22171118
This looks like such a shitty rip off from Fate/GO, plus mediocre art-style and shitty live 2d animations.

>>22174042
That's because it literally is. Aniplex did it. And you know what else they did?

>>22173876
KanColle fag here. For those who are wondering if KanColle is reclining, it isn't. The fanbase is strong as ever. Merch sells like hotcakes in Lawson, Mitsukoshi, and whatever collaboration they have sell out in minutes. Always top 3 in Comiket scenes. We've also recently had a real-life event in Sasebo 130th Anniversary, which is in Hiroshima and around 30k people gathered there. Not even done yet, they're going to have a collab in Kure 130th Anniversary too, and collab with JAL and Willer sold out under in 8 minutes.

https://twitter.com/C2_STAFF/status/1178825947534909440
https://japanwalker.travel/jp/tour/kancolle-jal-kure2019
https://japanwalker.travel/jp/tour/kancolle-jal-kure2019

>>22174059
>>>/out/

>>22174059
This ship is not sinking.

>>22174073
Does this mean we can still torpedo these ships?

>>22174051
God, how disgusting, and the worst is that subhumans are gonna eat this shit up.

It is surreal that noone posted this pic yet. Let me fix this thread.

>>22172852
>Even then, Touhou still manages to get Top 3 in Comiket and have it's own dedicated day.
Idolmaster already kicked Touhou out of the Top 3 a few Comikets ago.

>>22174102
I love this image

>>22174102
R

>>22174102
i can't believe touhou is reclining

>>22174102
I was looking through the entire thread for this image. Honestly shocked with all this doomposting it took almost 10 hours.

>>22173876
AL is doing better than it ever was. And anime isn't even out yet.

>>22173880
What's laughable is the current state of Kancolle. AL is a far superior game.

Yes, KC characters are still very popular. But game is a complete joke.

>>22174285
Anon, have you lost the game recently?

>>22174324
I stopped playing that trash years ago.

>>22174285
KanColle needs newbie friendly events and itd do better

ZUN letting this shit fly isn't good imo. He can easily lose the rights if he doesn't put his foot down

>>22173408
>>22173696
>All-ages
What's the point?

>>22174661
What? No.
You can lose a trademark if you don't use it, but you can't lose copyright.

>>22174685
I'm not a copyright or trademark lawyer, though this is what I have learned. If he keeps renewing the trademark but doesn't do jackshit, he's fine. But if people are using his creation without him giving the official OK, that's not good at all. There's a reason why Nintendo and Disney send the hammer down on all fan games. It's because they were told by counsel that any one of those fan makers can easily declare their game as official unless Nintendo sends the hammer down on them. If you don't defend your ip in the proper time, you can lose the rights. This already happened to some obscure game franchises and a few notable comic book ones. All I'm saying is that Zun should be more careful since there's no doubt that there are companies and richfags with troll lawyers that could without a doubt send this franchise to hell

Can't believe it's already our turn to lose people to gotchashit.
It was nice knowing you all, it's time for me to find a new fandom.

>>22174709
That's incorrect. You can simply google it: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=can+you+lose+your+copyright

You can also google why disney and nintendo crack down on fan games.

>>22174749
this game is literally gonna do nothing. stop doomposting

>>22174753
We're doomed! Doomed! DOOMED! Doremy Dooms of DOOM!

>>22174709
You are fucking retarded, stop perpetuating this stupid myth.

>>22174709
Does touhou even have a trademark?

>>22174774
I predict this post is correct.

>>22174774
Touhou is reclining...

>>22174709
>Zun
Instant "i'm a retard, ignore my retard rambling" mark.

>>22174749
Nigga what, if anything this g*cha shit is the Touhou fandom finally hitting back at Fate and Boteshit.

>>22174845
>>22174709
>>22174661
>ZUN letting this shit fly isn't good imo. He can easily lose the rights if he doesn't put his foot down

ZUN is more than happy to stamp out w*stern fan games like that Touhou fighting game that lookied likem Smash. SO he has set the precedent.

I just got 3 marisas and 2 reimus in my free 10 roll. Only got 2 actual other 3 star characters. Is this a sign?

>>22174709
>>22174845
I swear this is old news. Back in 2012 there was all that hubbub about ZUN actually losing the trademark and tried to win it back, but copyright was never in question.

>>22175456
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-07-04/touhou-project-linked-trademarks-upheld-for-non-creator

So ZUN never registered any trademarks, but some literal who registered Touhou Project and Team Shanghai Alice did. In the end it doesn't matter much because the judge ruled he and fans had never been releasing work in a way that used the phrases as trademarks, which means releasing stuff using those phrases in the future would continue to not violate literal who's trademark. ZUN also mentions that he still owns the copyright so don't piss him off.

>>22174661
>>22174709
No, the only two ways to lose a copyright is either legally signing it over to someone else or it it expires (in which case you're fucking dead anyway). The whole "you lose your copyright if you don't defend it" is a myth that is completely wrong. If copyright worked that way doujin culture wouldn't exist. Big companies like Disney stomp out fanworks because is loses them profit.

>>22175051
ZUN axed that project because they used Kickstarter, which he doesn't allow. Dumb gaijins can't follow rules.

>>22171118
Silence Baiting faggot.
There’s a reason why Touhou has been the absolute pinnacle of entertainment ranking far above Fateshit and Kancancer and for 20 years straight without gacha
This wasn’t ZUN’s idea and he never truly sold out. He allowed the game to be made because he was asked and that’s all it is on his ties to the Kusoge.

Go back to your board cause it isn’t /jp/.

>>22175643
Actually, over the last 10 years even Disney has noticed that 1. Japanese media thrives despite its permissive attitude towards fan work (would it be as popular in the west without it?) and 2. Disney's own franchises have thrived partly because of fan work they had difficulty tracking down to crush (see Frozen). It seems Disney is slowly realizing what other media companies have known for years: fan works aren't part of a zero sum game. Keeping fans engaged and happy benefits everyone.

>>22172167
Are you talking about the one by Maikaze/tokine? They just renamed the project and steadily put out episodes with the latest being released in 2016 and the next/last in 2020.

>>22175745
Yeah, the issue with Maikaze was that they put "Touhou" in the fanime's title initially, but removed it once ZUN gave a notice.
Manpuku Jinja, which also released an anime shortly after, also followed that rule afterwards.

any preliminary tier list?

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>>22174749
ok? Why would others' ignorance towards what is official and what isn't makes you hate/leave the fandom? you are just as skinless as they are, if not worse.
Have some resolve in your pathetic life. Have some conviction, don't fucking let what others think what you have to enjoy.

Will we get new influx of gachafags or in the end only 2hufags know about this game and they will go back to LNBNM the shmup game or replaying Luna Nights/LoT2/TPDP while waiting for another 2hu fanplatformer?

>>22172681
Yeah it's already dropping down.

>>22175047
Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it. Touhou is diving into the pigpen.

>>22172511
I just watched gameplay footage and holy fuck the quality is INSANE. Why is /jp/ the Touhou board so butthurt about an insane quality TOUHOU game that will likely annihilate botefag and Fate scum once and for all? Am I missing something?

game is actually fun

>>22171118
Call me when they have Reimu swimsuit archer alter.

Game's pretty fun. Takes until like chapter 3 for it to pick up, more mechanics involved, also becomes actually possible to start losing.

Multiplayer's probably going to be ass, since the whales are going to blow you up with their 5* characters and "craft essences"

>>22176595
Is there a way to control the combat beyond just clicking for Spell Card?

>>22176491
Mind to explain?

For me, >>22171511 and >>22171627 are pretty accurate.

>>22172533
If Touhou had an official anime it would be pandering schlock of no inherent value just like the KanColle one. And to make matters worse people would associate the franchise with the shitty anime instead of the actual original source material, due to ease of access not exactly present with shmups. the majority of the fanworks would use the anime and its bland, safe interpretations of the characters as a base and interesting fan content would fucking plummet. Then the franchise dies after interest wanes and moves on to something else. You trendslaves are fucking obnoxious and should stick to /v/.

>>22176620
Nope. Combat sucks.
Boardgame is where it's all at.

Was this thread moved from /v/?

2hu is truly reclining

>>22176746

No.

>>22176783
No it's the opposite.
It is about to be propelled upwards but the sky above is full of toxic fumes since it's launced near a factory.

>>22174848
Imagine seeing that when you wake up anon. The bad dream will be over before it even begins.

>>22175851
We will only get a huge influx of new secondaries if the game actually becomes popular enough that people recommend it to another.
Right now the only ones that are bothering are the most mentally challenged of the "fans".

>>22176863
>Right now the only ones that are bothering are the most mentally challenged of the "fans".
Sadly that includes most of notorious 2hu artists. Most 2hu fans on nipland probably are trrying it right now.
Though some of them already complain for not meeting expectation despite the constant advertising so let's see where it'll take off.

>>22176863
>Right now the only ones that are bothering are the most mentally challenged of the "fans".
>>22176895
>Sadly that includes most of notorious 2hu artists.
What do you mean?

>>22176917
Sorry, I shouldn't have said "sadly". I actually tried to refute the "mentally challenged" claim since many 2hu artists, including composers and ZUN's closest friends, are playing this game. I've seen them posting screenshots of the game on Twitter.
Though the majority of them are the ones that have contributed their work for the game so maybe it's part of advertisement, but many other artists are playing too.

>>22176953
Oh, I see. So he was referring to "people that don't care about the actual fandom and only care about gacha" by saying "mentally challenged", but reality is, like you said, many "proper fans" are also playing it as well.
Understood.

>>22176953
>>22176987
There's gotta be something seriously fucked with you if you enjoy gacha gameplay, excitedly talk about re-rolls and what you've gotten from your first 10 pulls, knowing that the core of the game is designed around exploiting your obsession.
"Proper fan" or not.

>>22177006
I wonder if any artists refused to sell their soul

>>22177006
Well most of the artists I mentioned also aren't gachafags before and hopefully won't become one.
Still, you shouldn't be surprised at Japs general obsession with gambling like gacha and Pachinko by now.

>>22177006
>If you like something I don't you must be retarded
You know someone can just as easily say the same about your guys who get excited over paying $200 for a hunk of plastic in the shape of your waifu, we live in a capitalist society everything is exploitative.

There are some gacha games with good gameplay, GBF was made by devs who worked on FF tactics and the gameplay in it is better than most console RPGs.

>>22177139
At least a $200 hunk of plastic is real and has a resale value above $0. I wouldn't say all transactions are exploitative and I would characterize gambling in general and gacha in particular as exceptionally exploitative.

>>22176721
>it would be pandering schlock of no inherent value just like the KanColle one
Or it could be a huge success that revitalizes the series and spawns even better spinoffs like FSN. The anime will be as good as the investment into it. ZUN is heavily involved in anything he does, he wouldn't let the anime be a soulless cash grab. The KC devs just wanted money

>And to make matters worse people would associate the franchise with the shitty anime instead of the actual original source material.
Who the fuck associates Touhou with the original games? 99.999% of the fanbase are already secondaries who are only into Touhou because of the music / porn / fan games. Hardly anyone associates the franchise with ZUN's games.

>due to ease of access
Are you arguing that the billions of artworks, fan games, music, public events etc... don't make the series easy to access?

>the majority of the fanworks would use the anime and its bland, safe interpretations of the characters as a base and interesting fan content would fucking plummet
That's your crackpot theory that has no evidence. And again Fate proves this wrong, we literally have dozens of interpretations for some characters across multiple works by different authors and that's before we get into fan made territory.

>franchise dies after interest wanes and moves on to something else
So the best way to keep something alive is to hide it and stifle growth and make it as difficult for people to access as possible? Great logic, must be why Fate is failing so hard right now. Listen, you are entitled to want your sekret klub bullshit because it makes you feel special. But you aren't entitled to your own facts, Touhou going official would factually expand the series and make it bigger / generate more content.

>>22177191
>muh resale value
Vacations don't have resale value, does that make theme exploitative and anyone who goes on vacation is retarded? Resale value is not and never has been the basis for capitalism or how humans value something. Also you can sell accounts so technically gacha games do have resale value anyway. I'd argue that a hunk of plastic that cost $5 to make and then retails for 40x that price just because it takes advantage of someone's irrational emotional attachment to a fictional drawing is just as exploitative.

>>22177139
You're right but I say paying hundred dollars for PNG is the new low for business.

>>22177139
Who are you quoting?

Also I'm not a moralfag, so I don't directly disagree with your point, especially that some have okay-ish gameplay. But that doesn't mean that people are paying because they have fun, they're paying because our brain and its reward system is inherently fucked.
That's why I'm hoping it'll fail. I'd rather people go to comiket and pay ~10 bucks for Touhou Platformer #451.

>>22177209
>Who the fuck associates Touhou with the original games? 99.999% of the fanbase are already secondaries who are only into Touhou because of the music / porn / fan games. Hardly anyone associates the franchise with ZUN's games.
Source?
Surely, with how self-assured you are, you aren't just pulling those numbers out of your ass, right?

Gacha works exactly the same as Madoka game but rates are 2x better.

>>22177279
Not that guy but you are completely delusional if you think he's not right. Compare game sales to number of fanart.

>>22177296
It's definitely not 99.999%.
It is probably somewhere between 80% and 90%, but there is no way to get reliable data and it's my biggest pet peeve when people pull data out of their ass and act like it's a fact.
Maybe some sites that have a static download for games like MoriyaShrine can someday provide download statistics on games vs. fangames downloads for us so that we have a vague relation we can quote.

>>22177209
>Touhou going official would factually expand the series and make it bigger / generate more content.
Who cares you consumerist whore? Are metrics all you care about?

>>22177229
Vacations are more valuable than what you're getting out of gacha. What you get out of gacha can be had by visiting the nearest image database.

>>22177209
>we literally have dozens of interpretations for some characters across multiple works by different authors and that's before we get into fan made territory.
I've yet to see anything interesting with Fate-related fan-content to the extend of what Touhou have. Fanarts are all mostly generic sexy/lewd stuff and I assume there aren't that much interesting non-H either. The mistake could be that they decided turn some fanfictions that was going wild during Fate's initial success into canon, and now all the "creative" content only comes from those who work directly under TM corporate banner, or at least these are the only ones that get recognizition, while other fanartist no longer do much artistic liberties.

Now the other problem for having bigger "official" content, assuming these would overshadow ZUN's works, is the music scene. They mostly thrive from soundtracks ZUN made directly for his games. If that's stop being the focus over gacha and anime with generic music, then the music scene we have today will plummet. On the other hand, we all know asking ZUN to make soundtrack for anime/gacha is outside his capabilities.

I'm not gonna roll at all until she's in.

>>22177336
It matters if you are into something even slightly more niche than Reimu/Marisa/Cirno/SDM. Getting 1-2 decent doujins about my 2hu in half a year is not a good experience.

>>22177318
It's hyperbole autist-kun, the fact that I stressed the extra 9s after the 99% should make that obvious. The point is that obviously most of the fan base got into Touhou via fan works and not the official games

>>22177340
You can get the same thing you get from a vacation by just walking outside and going somewhere local

so anyone figured out what cv points are for and what is the profit of leveling up during a game?

BeatMario is already cheating on the game
https://twitter.com/beatmario/status/1179350393450618880

>>22177209
>everything needs to be whored out for the sake of popularity and money
You are on the wrong fucking board, you cock-gargling monkey. Kill yourself.

So can you play this on PC? Not sure if my shit phone from 2012 can run this.

>>22178929
Use android emulator

>>22171118
salt tangible
I demand you cite the proof of Zun getting big bucks for this

>>22176620
you can select your target, but other than that, no. It's mostly about teambuilding

>>22176633
I've played 100%oj since like 2010, and mahjong for 35 years. I happen to like these kind of games

>>22177191
>he hasn't made tens of thousands selling starter accounts in gacha games

>>22179214
>you can select your target
How? If true, that actually makes it at least playable

>>22179243
It's true. You tap the enemy's icon you want to target on the left side of the screen.

>>22179227
Excuse me, but I don't recall anyone in this thread saying that