/jp/ - Otaku Culture

First for Flashtards are tards

>>21518608
dekinai spotted

What's your ichiban japanese learning goal? Mine is to become good enough to make an AJATT 自己紹介 video and get praised by strangers on the net.

>>21518634
to have fun <3

>>21518634
To watch anime without subs

>>21518634
Leanr just enough so I can trick autists over the internet into giving me money.

>>21518609
How to ACTUALLY learn 日本語:
1. Watch or read anything you feel like diving into.
2. Stare at or hear words.
3. Try to make sense of them somehow, using any kind of tool you think might fit for this task.
If you're somehow able to understand something (even 僕はホモが好き。) then you're on the right path. Just keep heading that way.

>>21518634
To be able to read quzilax h-manga untranslated.

>>21518634
literally got mad enough about dragon quest's shitty modern translations that i've spent my time learning enough nihongo to play them in the original language and you know what? fucking worth.

How would one define metaposting?

i don't think i'll ever really get "つい"

>>21518711
Remember the name of the last route in Subahibi.
つい≈終わり

>>21518634
native level or slightly above when it comes to ability to consume media, if a jap can read something effortlessly then i won't be satisfied until i can read that effortlessly too. by the way, apparently japs don't consider 人間失格 to be difficulty (https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1470111779)) so if you can't read it easily then you still have a lot to go

>>21518718
sometimes that makes sense but most of the time it doesn't, is the thing

How many of you could tell the chigai between 恋 and 愛 without needing to hiku a 辞書 beforehand?

>>21518634
nice

>>21518742
I couldn't until I started consuming more shit like romcoms.

>>21518725
I can't even read 奈須 (月姫, F/sn) that well yet. Why would I be any better at understanding 太宰?

>>21518609

>>21518634
My long term goal is to be able to read Japanese poetry from Heian onwards. I might try to learn how to read 万葉集 if I hate myself enough. That's the peak of my Japanese goal and is certainly at least 10 years away. My short term goal (2-3 years) that I'm aiming for now is being able to read Taishou/prewar Shouwa era lit. I can already read 銀河鉄道の夜 which is motivating even if it's a children's novel.

>>21518784
hope you're studying classical japanese
https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001072/files/48310_42692.html
if you look at this and you have no fucking clue what half of it means then you need to get on that

>>21518784
That's pretty cool. I also have an interest in poetry, but for now I'm sticking to more achievable goals like being able to very comfortably and quickly read my preferred manga and LNs.

>>21518801
I'm not putting much effort into it right now but I'm prepared to get assfucked by it when I get to it. I plan on putting most of my effort into learning it once I'm competent enough to smoothly read Japanese textbooks and grammar dictionaries for it.

>>21518725
>難しくはありませんが面白いか面白くないか
>結構中高生に薦めたい本と言われたりしますし
>自分も中学生くらいの時に読みました。
>中学生

>非常に読みやすく、
>おもしろく感じました。
>ラノベとかよりもずっと読みやすいです
ano, ne, anon-kun???

>>21518826
what you trying to say here faggot

>>21518414
I'm not surprised but there are literally scenes from JAVs uploaded on youtube

>>21518834
whoops i'm too tired and thought you said they do consider it to be difficult. now i just look like a real big dumb mother fucker. how're you gonna take responsibility for this?

>>21518845
>how're you gonna take responsibility for this?
hey look here kid, i ain't gonna deal with your 逆ギレ, don't force me to use my 斬捨御免 on you for being a little shit

>>21518858
tch.... ikou boys *leaves the fucking thread*

>>21518862
それな

>>21518634
now that i think about it, i’ve already accomplished almost all the ones i had...
~ be able to comfortably follow almost any manga i read without looking anything up even if i don’t know literally every word
~ be able to guess the meanings of some words based on kanji i already know and be right
~ be able to comfortably talk to japanese people about almost anything that i care to talk about
~ be able to comfortably navigate japanese stores, restaurants, entertainment centers etc independently without relying on a dictionary
~ be able to comfortably play most japanese video games esp RPGs that i care to play without relying on a dictionary
~ be able to understand and be understood on the japanese interwebs

i think the only major thing left is to get better at listening to anime. real life is fine but some words used in anime, specifically fantasy etc i’m not perfect at picking up at full speed yet. that and the everlasting goal of continuous vocab acquisition!

>>21518711
つい=思わず
ついに=最後に

>>21518942
Why are you still here?

What the hell is から supposed to mean when it's at the end of a sentence?

>>21518972
post the sentence thats actually givin u trouble

Omission of some clause. You should be able to know what they’re omitting by the context.

>>21519029
大丈夫だよ、迷惑だなんて思ってないから. The only thing I can think it means is "after all" or something

>>21519076
迷惑だなんて思ってないから 大丈夫だよ

>>21519084
woah...what a meme language

香港に自由を

>>21519097
めんどくさいな、君は

>>21519097
The same can happen in English.
>It’s okay because I don’t think of it as a bother.
>Because I don’t think of it as a bother, it’s okay.

>>21518780
>tfw learned #3 the hard way

What’s the Japanese word or phrase equivalent to boipucci?

>>21518693
>goku you gotta go rescue the princess from the evil wizard and save the kingdom
woah... so worth it

>>21518780
At 30 minutes a day it will literally take you over a decade. At 60 minutes if you spend the time well you might just manage to learn it in under a decade.

If people aren't prepared to put in the time, they shouldn't bother.

あたしのちんこ小さくて細くてとーってもかわいいですよ〜

>>21519165
i didnt write that but i take it as u should hit 30 minutes even on a bad day
but u should def have a lot of 4 hour days too if not some 16 hour sessions of some good eroge
i agree if u stop after 30 minutes every day ur fucked lol
not just cuz of the number of hours but u dont even want it if u never lose track of the clock

>>21519170
重大なのは貴方自身が可愛いかどうかだ

>>21518634
This is the norm and entirely believable for AJATTers

>>21518634
watch japanese tv without subs

>>21519237
なんだこりゃー

>>21519237
me on the center right

>>21519237
Where did you get a sample of my handwriting?

is this how you guys learn japanese?

>>21518634

enough to watch anime, dramas, idol videos and japanese youtube videos without subtitles

since i never speak the language i probably will never speak it well. i just want to be able to comprehend it and type it

>>21518662
>>21518809
>>21518942
That's nice and all but manga isn't reading.

>>21519313
Remove the english translation. Only consult them for hard sentences.

>>21519333

then i won't know what the sentence means. i'll never learn japanese that way

>>21519342
Nigga, you already have a dictionary and (hopefully) a grasp of basic grammar. You don’t need the goddamn English translations.

>>21519313
question: If you read only 1 kanji of 3 , can you understand what that 1 kanji mean ?
the same for 2 kanjis

You will be capable of memorize what those 3 kanjis mean in long time ?

>>21519342
when u learn japanese u earn the right to know what it means

>>21519357
I think you should polish your English before learning Japanese.

>>21519351

i look at the english to make sure i translated it correctly in my head because sometimes i translate sentences incorrectly

>>21518958
comradery

>>21519366
If you translated it incorrectly, the sentence would not fit the context provided. If it fits, there’s nothing to be worried about.

oh and because i'm still addicted to theorycrafting about the best way to acquire the thousands of other vocab words i still don't know

>>21519389
have u tried reading more

what's the best resource to understand the difference between:
>あく　あける　ひらく　とじる　しめる
etc.
I know what transitivie and intransitive verbs are, I simply don't know the instances ひらく is used instead of あける etc
explanation in simple terms

>>21519389
quizmaster anime cards obviously

>>21519428
You can either read more or use a J-J dictionaryーthough ideally, do both.

>>21519389

learning more vocabulary than you need at the beginning is a waste of time. you should just learn vocabulary as you sentence mine. learn enough vocabulary and grammar to read sentences and then read sentences. i started with clozemaster and then moved onto yotsuba. i wasted the first two years of my japanese learning on vocabulary. big mistake

you can't learn abbreviated japanese and slang with anki

なにしての
なにいってんの

take these for example. does anki tell you that してん is an abbreviated form of してる(doing), that いってん is an abbreviated form of いってる(saying)?

>>21519441

なにしてんの＊

wtfって

なんてはつおんしたらいいですか

>>21518742
i could

>>21519403
yes i read for 2+ hours a day and don't plan on stopping but i have found its incredibly inefficient to only read. vocab has to be reviewed in some way or else forgetting will happen much more often than remembering

>>21519165
i like it how something can specifically say "at least" and people think it means "on average"
fuck off

>>21519441
>learning more vocabulary than you need at the beginning is a waste of time
i'm not... at the beginning lol my vocab is already over 15k and all that slang you posted is ちょろい af for me already

but your post might be helpful for actual beginners, i agree with your theory anyway. sentences are way better for words for beginners.

>>21518634
To read manga and modern japanese lit.

>>21518651
Unironically the only advice people should need.

>>21518742
I can read them, the subtleties of their meaning I will pick up from context eventually and won't memorize from a dictionary.

>>21518942
I have the same goals. How long did it take you?

>>21519313
Some people are absolutely against looking at the translation. Personally I wouldn't be so strict about it however you should keep two things in mind:

Formulating a thing naturally in English might look completely different from what the Japanese is saying, even though it transmits roughly the same information.

Translations are sometimes inaccurate for the sake of style.

>>21519583
3) translations are sometimes produced by people who misunderstand half of what they read

>>21519604
This has become more rare these days, but it definitely happened before.

>>21519605
The majority of fan translators I've seen are exactly like that still.
They don't learn Japanese because they want to know Japanese, consume shit in Japanese or anything like that, they pick up on basics for the sole purpose of translating. Translations suck ass.

Why do people hate textbooks so much?

I think they can be useful for beginners if used selectively as part of an overall studying rather than just using and following the textbook.

Like reading through the kim as people suggest often I found I couldn't really recognize or apply the grammatical concepts at all in actual reading besides the really simple stuff. But reading the genki textbook grammar sections and then actually doing the workbook I then felt confident with those concepts and could actually use them in reading. Maybe some people can learn it just from a quick read through and that is fine for them but for me it didn't really do much just reading about it.

I remember when I frequented these threads.
Man it didn't take me that long at all to drop learning Japanese lol.
Fuck Kani and grammar.

I am almost at the 95% coverage. I have been doing this since July 25th 2018. Even so I always find new words frequently, currently mining around 30 words every day. I first thought that 12k words would be enough to understand the language decently but in reality I still rely on a dictionary to be able to read, now I think you would need like 25k to go without a dictionary.

>>21519576
if you subtract the long periods of wasted time, 3 years.

>>21519765
Are you neet?

It's annoying that none of the Japanese IPTV subscription services let you switch on closed captioning.

>>21519765
and this is why i find myself so fucking torn when it comes to vocab sometimes lol. like SRS has gotten me to where i am but going forward do i really want to be glued to it forever? yet how do i keep from forgetting shit? the fucking ultimate paradox

i said fuck too much, ごめん for the profanity yall

>>21519805
Can't you just stop adding words and then reviews will slowly die down until it takes no time at all?

>>21519813
>Can't you just stop adding words
when i said "how do i keep from forgetting shit" i meant new shit, not shit i've already been studying.

>>21519765
I also began to read my first book in Japanese. It is the Neschan-Trilogie by Ralf Isau. Found it in my library by mere coincidence, they are the only Japanese books I own (I don't even remember having bought them). I am glad I did DOJG, in these books I always find 得る instead of られる、のみならず instead of だけではなく、より instead of　から、故 instead of　から or ので、か否か instead of　かどうか、etc. I was beginning to feel comfortable with video games but books are clearly on another level. The use of grammar and vocabulary is a lot richer, reading books is the best way to learn Japanese

>>21519766
Yes, I have been a neet since July last year. But it will end this September when I begin my master. So i did an intensive in Japanese since then and I think it got me to a intermediate level. Manga is piss easy, I am comfortable reading video games and can understand simple anime, now I am beginning to read books and it shows there is still a long way to go before attaining an advanced level of Japanese.

>>21519805
how indeed. How do I remember all these words in English even though I never used an SRS and English is not my L1?

I think Anki helps a great deal with controlled spaced repetition especially at the start when you can't read much and you have huge gaps in vocabulary, but at some point just drop it. In fact I'm already doing this after a year because fuck mining honestly, it's a pain in the ass.

I still learn words from reading and watching shows even without the mining process. I probably forget a lot of the ones I looked up but looking up words again doesn't cause me any pain either. I don't try to force the learning process too much and just learn whatever I pick up naturally.

I go through some SRS on the side but mostly with premade decks that have a specific purpose, not a catch all mining deck.

>>21519913
>How do I remember all these words in English even though I never used an SRS and English is not my L1?
when you looked up words in english, was it with an english dictionary or with your native language dictionary?
i have a hypothesis that for people who still use j-e the language might still be too compartmentalized in our brains to make enough connections for word-learning to be easier with just a dictionary. i've noticed that when i read a good j-j def, there's a feeling of things "clicking" in a way that i don't really get with j-e... not to mention the definition itself often contains words that seem like valuable connections to make. hmm...
>I still learn words from reading and watching shows even without the mining process. I probably forget a lot of the ones I looked up but looking up words again doesn't cause me any pain either.
on account of the fact that i'm always looking stuff up anyway, i'm kind of like meh... but when i notice myself looking up the same word a 3rd, 4th, 5th time i do get frustrated. perhaps THAT'S the point something's worth adding to SRS? when you remember having looked it up/seen it multiple times but still can't remember it. at least if you reserve SRS for stuff like that, you'll be doing a much smaller quantity of farming and reviews.

>>21519529
Your "at least" is far too low. The aim should be a bare minimum of 2 hours, if not 3.

There really is no excuse for doing any less considering passive listening can count towards that total, and you can easily get in a few hours of that while showering, commuting, exercising, cooking, cleaning, and so on.

>>21520028
>when you looked up words in english, was it with an english dictionary or with your native language dictionary?
I definitely started out with native language dictionary, but over time I just started looking at definitions of the words in English if at all.

There was also a long period of time where I just inferred a rough approximation of the meaning from context without looking up anything, which sometimes lead to me believing things meant something entirely different. For instance I know I had a wrong impression of what was meant by the word "fortnight". I knew it was a period of time, but I thought it was shorter.

>>21518742
i knew just from chinese

also hiku my diku faget

>>21519765
There's no way anyone with a job is able to do this. Fucking Zoomers.

>>21518634
i just wanna get to quiztard's level and i'll be satisfied since he can watch any show he wants now and can only find at most like 15 words in an entire 24 episode season

>>21520059
its ok that guy has no brain and hasnt developed any japanese ability if he isnt guessing what new words are on his own yet and being right about pronunciation and meaning when he checks the dictionary lol

I want to switch from the J-E dictionary to a J-J, but I can't find a single one for yomichan. Do you guys have one that you could share? I would like one for yomichan instead of an online dictionary because I want an easy way to add the card with the meaning to anki

>>21520067
>ts ok that guy has no brain and hasnt developed any japanese ability if he isnt guessing what new words are on his own yet
how do you know he's not just adding the ones he cant guess
no one can guess every single new word correctly thats bullshitting to the max

>>21520067
Sure thing I know what 神出鬼没 means just by context or by looking at the kanji, or 蛍雪. And how do you know about my abilities? Have you not considered I mine using a J-J dictionary?

>>21520033
>The aim should be a bare minimum of 2 hours, if not 3.
>he's so mentally deficient that he has to use japanese for several hours a day to avoid atropy

>>21520094
I also add words with unusual readings even if the meaning is somewhat apparent. Things like 小忠実 would be a nightmare without SRS

>>21520033
oh yeah I missed this
>passive listening
>it's 2019 and he thinks that passive listening "counts" for time you spend on the language, or that it works
30 minutes of high quality focused consumption at exactly the i+1 acquisition level with a little bit of looking-stuff-up beats 10 hours of background noise and 60 minutes of skimming through something where you only understand the general outline or something so easy that there's hardly anything for you to learn from it by a long shot
learn smart not through brute force

>>21520067
Lmao cope before the AnkiCHAD.

I tried to explain the concept of input to my friends who are taking German in a class environment and they either didn't get it or didn't want to get it because it would entail doing work outside of their 3 hours a week in the classroom. Why they be like this man

>>21518634
I don't really have one. It would be neat to be able to watch/read raw shit but I'm not dying to do it. I was thinking about doing JET or something but I might not even do that. I'm just bored and needed a challenging hobby.

>>21520094
>>21520109
>how do you know about my abilities

lol

>>21520132
"if you don't use the language you're not actually going to learn it, not even at a basic level, you'll be able to recite some fragmentary memorized rules and words at best, not say anything interesting or understand anything substantial"

"it turns out that speaking/writing is a lot worse for learning new things about the language than reading/listening because you can only say things you already know how to say. who'd've thunk it, right?"

日本語はむずかしい

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD9i39GENWU

>>21520132
Are they being made to study it? Will there be any benefits to them from learning outside of class?

>>21520139
I used the analogy of how they picked up English because literally everybody from my generation here learned it by watching Cartoon network as a kid but I didn't get through I guess.
>>21520148
They're both near the tail-end of Uni and they chose to go to the classes for utilitarian purposes (they're private classes, not at Uni). German is perceived as a very useful language career wise in Europe so that's why they're at it.

>>21520138
I concede, you exposed my complete inability to understand Japanese. I feel ashamed for looking like an idiot. I hope that people take me as a example of what not to do.

>>21520033
>Your "at least" is far too low. The aim should be a bare minimum of 2 hours, if not 3.

Fine if you're a NEET, not super doable if you're not. I'm not a NEET and I definitely got 2 hours a day, but I can easily see how some people can't do that.

However for the vast majority of people on this board this should be no issue whatsoever.

>>21520147
>Not real native material
>Only kuso languages

>>21520161
just remember that block u feel in ur head when it comes to dealing with japanese

thats me gatekeeping u and laughing

Is language learning more difficult with Aphantasia?

>>21520177
if it's not you then there is another aphantasia guy in here lol you should ask him but he did pretty well for himself it's the guy with the Japanese 祠 gf

>>21520167
Depends how serious you are I guess. I live a fairly full normalfag adult life, job, social life, responsibilities, apartment upkeep and still make time for it a couple of hours a day.

Although if you had kids, maybe impossible then.

is there an eroge tier list

>>21520180
It wasn't ne. I usually find I learn things best if I write them out manually so I guess I will keep that approach for Japanese. Add new japanese to my deck, write out a word the first time I see it , if I fail it in future, write it again, repeat.

>>21520147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg8fvs65w5Q

>>21520033
>considering passive listening can count towards that total
no it can't retard.

>>21520234
lol

>>21520083
there's a ton of them. just check the cor or check matt's yomichan dictionaries video.

anyone else feel like they're past the point where they would consider quitting so they're not worried even though you only know a few thousand words

LISTENING IS THE WORST PART OF THIS LANGUNALSGI;AEGFJIE

>>21520266
I was just thinking about this yesterday actually. I'm in full on sunk-cost fallacy mode. I'd feel so fuckin guilty if I quit even though I'd have no reason to.

it feels like to me for that to even be an option means u dont really naturally like things from japan in the 1st place and are just forcing urself

>>21520266
Learn at least another 10k words, get at least another 700 hours of listening and reading practice. Then you can quit.

did quizmaster ever get bored at any point?

ロリのおっぱいを握たい

>naturally liking things from japan
I'm not a weeb like the rest of you are apparently, but I keep going because I naturally enjoy language learning.

>>21520289
揉みたいでしょう。握るのはチンコだけだ

>>21520277
It's not an either-or type thing in my opinion. There are degrees to how much you like Japanese media. I like it quite a bit but not to the point where I've never thought of quitting or where I can't imagine not learning the language.

>>21520287
What is there to get bored of?
I got bored of plenty of shit, VNs, Anime, books
then I just pick up something else and see if I have a good time with it
how would I get bored of an entire language
the language is just a vehicle to get the good shit 2 you
and what you want to do is drive the vehicle super well so you can optimally get to the good shit
when you spend years analysing, taking apart and studying how a car works before ever driving one of course you'll get bored
because you don't actually care about that, you just want to hit gas and go fast so just focus on that
that car simile I just totally pulled out of my ass and I'll press submit before checking if it actually makes sense

Going to a party next year. Is it possible to learn Japanese by then?

>>21520175
Could you grace me with some advice? I would be eternally grateful. Or am I too brainlet to ever consider myself worthy of learning Japanese?

>>21520316
Remember this one important sentence:
"お尻に射精出しちゃってください。"

>>21520299
ありがとうございます

>>21520321
Unironically this:
>>21518651
btw jamal dehanai

>>21520330
But what does it mean?

>>21520316
yatte kudasai

>>21520338
Google Translate is your friend.

>>21520336
I already do that, but that kind anon exposed my ineptitude, I guess I am too brainlet for this language?

Do mega links every die? The library is so unbelievable rich now that I'm literally shacking we'll lost it all one day.

>>21520173
>French and Spanish is shit
shit taste

>>21520357
Everything is transient.

>>21520357
every thing dies at the end but by then we'll all would've made it

I always said this and still think so instead of relying on mega we should get a private tracker for Japanese learners going where we can collect shit like Japanese subtitled anime and every possible learning resource without problem, I suppose it'd just need somebody with a lot of expertise to set up something like that up

How can I improve my writing skills and become a keigo master?

>>21520376
by reading moar

>>21520375
That is too difficult. Tech savy people are too cool for this language. You will never find the chad Computer science major learning Japanese

When will I be able to guess rendakus on sight, bros? I'm so tired

>>21520384
>will never find the chad Computer science major learning Japanese
No, but you will find me, the anti-social permavirgin CS major learning Japanese.

>>21520313
Quiz, are you Khatz? That sounds like some Khatz shit

How am I supposed to pronounce this 覆う?

Just a super long O?

>>21520438
u dumb or something? just hover over with yomichan and listen to the native pronounce it and mimic it

If you can't even finish a single VN, why should anyone on /jp/ give a shit about your method?

what should i eat for dinner

>>21520440

I don't even know what that is.

>>21520430
don't ever accuse me of being a black man again

>>21520447
cringe

did i stumble into the fag route

adolf quizler

>>21520447
Read the guide. if you click the speaker icon you'll hear a native pronounce the word (works for common words generally).

>>21520455
lol

>>21520438
just mimic this guy hes pretty good at sayin it

https://streamable.com/6hm1z

forvo is cool thanks for mentioning it quiz

>>21518651
what about 僕がホモは好き

what is 天道 is it just another word for

>>21520494
...another word for 天国
damn I hate Microsoft ime

>>21520494
>>21520498
try using google

>>21520441
I didn't know finishing VNs was what determined whether you know Japanese or not now lol
I sometimes try to read them because autists far and wide talk about them and it almost feels like a requirement to being a real weeb loser but I just get bored of that shit and watch anime instead
maybe I'm actually not autistic enough

>>21520454
also every morning this dude says "着替え" and it doesn't sound like kigae. it sounds closer to kinae or kingae and it throws me off. thought you all should know.

>>21520512
okay man here download hanachirasu or the first biman game or simulacre and sit down and read it in a single day, they're both very short for VNs, about as long as a slightly short novel, you should be able to do it and then nobody will be able to complain about you having not finished any VNs anymore

>>21520494
>天道
It's probably the opposite of the 地獄道.
Dumb Boomer joke, I know.

>>21520512
sounds more like u just cant read japanese on ur own a common problem for kids that are only a couple years in and have only watched anime i would now i was one of them : )

>>21520520
*nonchalantly pushes u off the 蛇の道*

i'd push you guys off the boat into 三途の川

>>21520535
science lover here that doesn't exist

>>21520535
being a 2hufag I understood the reference

>>21520543
haha fucking nerd

>>21520578
you alright

Just finished watching the second season of AoT in less than 1 day
of course while anime mining everything I don't know which barely amounted to a handful of words
see you just anime mine everything and eventually you don't have to anime mine jack shit
make one anime card every 20 minutes
that is no effort

>>21520611
get off your phone dude

>>21520623
did you know things like dynamic ips exist

>>21520631
yes but i am guessing that's not what's going on here however i could be wrong

>>21520636
you are
why are you accusing people of phone posting when a new IP pops up anyway
do you think you are cool dude for having 4chan x installed and need to show it off or something
what does it even matter why would you post about it
that is pure unrefined autism

>>21520641
when you asked about it before i figured it was something that would bother you so i decided to start doing it from now on. it turns out i was right

>>21520644
well I'm glad I play such an important role in your life that I am worth all the effort
I'm not the kind of guy who minds giving out (you)s so if it gives you your dopamine kick here you go

>>21520648
well you've made yourself a big part of this thread and if i come here all the time anyway then of course i'd devote some time to you. i don't mind giving (you)s either so looks like we're gonna become good friends

>>21520375
>we should get a private tracker for Japanese learners
https://naim94a.github.io/udpt/

Question: Would studying radicals let me make an educated guess as to what the pronunciation or the meaning of the word in pic related?

>>21520384
>You will never find the chad Computer science major learning Japanese
cough ahem
https://streamable.com/yg0wk

>>21520658
it's got the "woman" radical twice so duh

>>21520658
Jealous women throw you with stones

>>21520049
don't tell me u had to hiku 'hiku' lmao

>>21520662
>>21520674
>>21520658
Why is Japanese such a misogynistic language?

>>21520695
Misogyny is a made up meme by women

>>21520695
blame china

>>21520695
most languages have some degree of misogyny built into them
source: my ass

>>21520688
the only thing i hikud was aids from ur post

>>21520709
you are a baby

>>21520700
jews*

>>21520727
a baby with aids now

>>21520748
stop saying that. its disrespectful to the people who actually have aids

>>21520757
"People" who have aids aren't people

>>21520771
found the degenerate

心 used right after words just means Xの気持ち

おいっコッラー
テッメェ何見てんだ
死にたくなかったら速く出ろ

こっから本気出してくぜ

お前らmother fuckerどもを一人残らず始末してやるぜ

おこってる？

>>21520898
popteamreddit

the show was good how is it reddit. also I'm a girl btw

i just paid $297 for wanikani lifetime access

>>21520957
what a coincidence im also a girl

I don't like coming here because everyone is so much better then me.

>>21520898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAdRbIf4xR0#t=206

>>21520991
https://www.strawpoll.me/18087847/
don't worry there's lots of beginners here

>>21520979
Ouch. Could have sent that money to me, I'd have taught you how to do anime cards and you'd have more fun & more Japanese gains out of it while I'd get a rent free month.

>>21520979
Wouldn't it be better to be the timed ones? That way you're more motivated to do it at risk of losing money. The idea that its always there for you to come back to would makes you more inclined to slack off.

>>21521016
if u gotta force urself like that whats even the point just watch porn and jack off with that stupid look u always have on ur face

>>21521016
wk is timegated to make sure it takes you 2+ years to complete all 60 levels

>>21521011
>his rent is <$300
peasant

>>21521023
Is it actually good though?

Wanikani is shit but at least you ain't no bitch who is afraid to drop money on learning japanese

>he pays rent

>>21521031
yea I'm just a student born to poor indebted parents
nothing I can do about it
if you are living on your own money congrats but if you are fed through by your parents and you think that's something to feel proud about lol @ you

>>21521032
if you are completely clueless and unmotivated it is decent. the first 3 levels are free so give it a try. I wouldn't recommend paying for it.

>>21521039
>nothing I can do about it
yea except getting a job u fuckin loser LMAO

>but if you are fed through by your parents and you think that's something to feel proud about lol @ you
im not but good on u for projecting ur insecurities

>>21521016
>>21520979
Could've just used that money to buy manga, books, a kindle, heck even dvds. All of would teach you nip, motivate you to read/watch/eat them, and have fun while doing it.
You rich fags baffle me

>>21521043
what kind of job

i dont care about yalls pathetic offline lives but what i do care about is how long uve been "learning" "japanese" and how much of this u understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa0YjP-HdEY

>>21521058
boomers, imma I right

>>21521058
u could try taking ur talent at sucking dick and turn it into a real profession

>>21519535
You have an impossible goal then since manga isn't reading.

are names the final boss of japanese?
do natives just guess the names when there's a single kanji first name?

>>21521076
names arent a big deal i promise

>>21521076
They just guess wrong and offend the person in question.

>>21521085
idgaf about ur promise kid who even are u

>>21521088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqz8E2DtqZg

has somebody mentioned rtk yet

>>21521076
final boss of japanese is katakana and trying to figure what the fuck some of the 和製英語 means, seriously look at this shit: マリファナ, who the fuck reads that and knows what it means the first time

whats so hard about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXNz75bdD9c#t=3

>>21518634
to get a job and eventually move to japan. I'm from a piss poor country.

>>21521117
why the hell did they choose マリファナ instead of マリフアナ

>>21521117
btw here's some terrible 和製英語 to prove my point パイプカット ロスト・バージン

>>21521134
prolly cuz it doesnt sound fuckin retarded lol

>>21521039
>but if you are fed through by your parents and you think that's something to feel proud about lol @ you
well to be fair that means his parents have genes predisposing them to having enough money to provide for their manchild and that is something to be proud of.

>>21518947
I think that's gonna help a lot thanks

>2 years into djt and i still haven't told any of my friends i've been learning japanese all this time
maybe i'll one day pretend I just woke up one day knowing japanese or "start" learning it and get fluent in 90 days so they'll try and fail miserably and feel stupid

who here /devious/

Fuck kana only sentences

>>21521174
it's not like you will get motemote for knowing moonrunes

>>21521180
nothing really a big deal there tho the formatting here is a bit rude

>>21521180
何が書かれているのか全く皆目見当がつかないわ

>>21521117
Well I did

>>21521193
yeah? well read this one

>>21519144
Clueless lmao

>>21521203

>>21521211
holy shit, you're good

>>21521211
I was thinking it'd be something even cooler, like this

turns out kana just makes ur average card tard instantly die

>>21521218
how do you know if they're flashtards

>>21521181
they watch moeblob and harem anime with subs and say "tadaima" when they get back to our group chat from doing whatever, i want to tell them they're stupid for not getting everything intuitively before burning bridges forever

cuz if anyone was doin it the right way they wouldnt die

>>21521225
yikes
just blend with normies and lead a "normal" life dude

>>21521231
>yikes

>>21521174
trying to use your japanese ability over your friends to show some sort of superiority is immaturity at its finest. what is this going to accomplish? "Hey guys, so the way you watch anime and read manga is totally inferior to me, please lick my feet and serve me." all you're going to do is come across as a dick.

ワタシハニホンゴデナカナカカケマス

I don't get it why are people complaining about katakana? You can literally learn it in a few hours if you concentrate on it.

>>21521180
The secret trick to kana only sentences is to not suck at listening to Japanese. It taps into the same skillset of discerning words from a continuous stream of information.

>>21521238
might try some of those phrases in my future posts

>>21521274
Why not try not being a stupid fucking faggot instead?

>>21521265

>>21521274
why? don't think you need any help to sound like a faggot at this point

>>21521268
There's lots of pairs in English and other languages that can be somewhat difficult to guess whenever they're written in katakana (like sword and sawed, or ply and pry)

>>21521256
>read manga
yikes

>>21521291
conformity like this makes me loss my faith in humanity

>>21521274
>>21521282
oh sweet summer children it's almost as if maybe, just maybe you just are jealous of me
now just shut up and listen, let's unpack this shall we
you do realize I've been learning for less than most of y'all and despite that who is the most advanced poster here?
ding, ding, ding! it's me friendos, just let that sink in
I mean yikes, you have the guts to be toxic to be despite knowing that? Wow... just wow. Makes me lose all faith in humanity. I literally can't even comprehend it
let's be real alright sweeties . . . I think you need to work on that problematic personality of yours
try being more like me, sharing good advice and learning methods
actually it's called just being a decent human being
try that instead of all the bigotry against PoC folks

>>21518604
Important question: if I take a month off from Anki, will I get a game over and have to start over scratch? I need to take a vacation from the computer for an extended period of time to try to reset my pathetic excuse of a life.

>>21521315
didn't read

>>21521315
jesus lol
quiz-tan you're going off your rocker slow it down

>>21521315
somebody punish me, I shouldn't have found this funny

>>21521256
>read manga

>>21521315
>zoomer calling others children
really? you're probably one of the youngest people ITT you know.

>>21521315
I was gonna read this, but then I noticed it's not in Japanese so I didn't lmao

>>21521338
HAHAHAHA FUCKING BASED

>>21521362
this but unironically

>>21521315
>you do realize I've been learning for less than most of y'all and despite that who is the most advanced poster here?
wait do you actually believe this
>>21521008

>>21521315
>trying this hard

>>21521334
eat shit pedophile

>>21521429
kys

>>21521429
How do you expect to learn a language of lolicons while hating lolicons? There's a reason why Heiseg said kids were the best teachers.

>>21521432
kys

Anyone got a download for 旅に出よう、滅びゆく世界の果てまで

I mean just look at all the (you)s flooding in
and you ask me why

yea u get yous like bukkake girl gets cum lol

>>21521439
I do, ありがとう for asking

>>21521436
I say Russian or Arabic is the true language of the lolicons

>>21521452
bullshit, post it, i don't believe you

>Just realize I've been ignoring the reading and writing section of genki
>almost at the end of the 2nd book
Is it worth going back?

>>21521461
no, that book is shit just read tae kim

>>21521461
>doing genki in any way, shape, or form.
try again next life

>>21521471
>tae kim instead of imabi

differences in grammar guides don't matter much so idk why people try to confuse dumb beginners by telling them to switch from a book they've already done a lot of.

why do some old buildings have their names written backwards like 門安天 instead of 天安門
did they write right to left horizontally in the 昔

>>21521499
Japan has dyslexic people, too.

>>21521499
no no
it's vertical writing
with 1 character per line
think about that

>>21521495
There isn't much of a difference in terms of content between grammar concepts handled in genki, most of tae kim, and the beginner's section of imabi, but the last one of these covers a lot more that doesn't appear in the other two in its intermediate and advanced sections.

>>21521509
YOOOO wtf it makes so much sense
this is galaxy brain level i feel enlightened

>>21521499
Here's what Wikipedia says:
At the beginning of the change to horizontal alignment in Meiji era Japan, there was a short-lived form called migi yokogaki (右横書き, literally "right horizontal writing"), in contrast to hidari yokogaki, (左横書き, literally "left horizontal writing"), the current standard. This resembled the right-to-left horizontal writing style of languages such as Arabic with line breaks on the left. It was probably based on the traditional single-row right-to-left writing. This form was widely used for pre-WWII advertisements and official documents (like banknotes), but has not survived outside of old-fashioned signboards.

>>21521509
they should have never stopped doing it

they should never have started using kana either to make the language less accessible to the a*glosphere and the rest of the low IQ people all over the world

>>21521509
i fucking hate when they do that

>>21521553
if i had to trade kana for kanji and get less retarded grammar in exchange id do it in a heartbeat

>>21521562
>pic
nice taste in anime anon

Feel when have read multiple grammar guides(Tae Kim, DoJG), watched multiple videos(that anime tranny), and have read several online posts(stackexchange) regarding the use of 'が', and the subtleties of this particle still elude me.

>>21520448
wow you're racist, qm? that's disappointing, I was rooting for you

>>21521628
You could have spent all that useless time reading more.

the guy who called you adolph quizzler was right all along

>>21521649
i disliked qm until i realized he was redpilled. it makes sense. he's of russian descent, and eastern europeans are predisposed to less outgroup favoritism than western europeans are.

https://i-kyu.com/gaijinrider/

finally found jamal's true identity

>>21521628
Honestly this: >>21521654
It's not just particles that have subtleties like that, almost all words do.
You aren't gonna get far looking up and memorizing them all, just let your brain pick up on it while you read/listen.

Is there a way to contribute to the raw manga archives?
I've noticed that some ongoing manga are one volume behind, example: Gochiusa, Ichigo Mashimaro, Non Non Biyori, Yuyushiki. The latest volumes of these titles have been out for some time now but haven't been uploaded to the archives yet.

>>21521662
Honestly as a eastern yuropoor this really isn't the case aside from gypsies and kebab, or the wrong type of slav.
Especially black people since we barely have any, most people treat them like unicorns.

>>21521615
it's shit and i dropped it though

>>21521662
how is that repilled? that's just racism and there's nothing cool about it. you're both retarded

>>21521693
i'm looking at the empirical evidence (immigration policy across all of eastern europe) rather than relying on your anecdotal evidence

>>21521691
Send it to itazurafag.

>>21521649
how am I racist

>>21521700
I mean, there's a lot of pseudo-science tiddlywank in your original post, but sure.

>>21521709
i'll never understand why people like you confidently declare something to be pseudo-science when you clearly understand nothing about how something like outgroup favoritism has been operationalized and studied. reminds me of /pol/tards. i guess horseshoe theory is correct.

>>21521696
I like it but I understand it can be boring to some people
I guess most people probably know it thanks to the bara fox haha

am i at least 3/4ths of the way through this route yet?

>>21521318
How long do you spend on Anki each day? How long have you done Anki?

These are all questions that influence the answer.

What does take a vacation imply? Are you also going to ditch your phone?

How do I watch abematv again?
They blocked VPNs :(

>>21521662
embarrassing

>>21521761
be nice wtf

this is like an American thanksgiving dinner with all of this political talk, but instead of turkey we are eating manga.

>>21521628
Stop trying to learn rule based grammar. It will never work for you.

The best you can hope from a grammar book is to recognize patterns when you read them.

>>21521512
that last one is also virtually unreadable if you don't already know japanese :)

how long have you been studying japanese and how much of this can you read?

>>21521753
>How long do you spend on Anki each day? How long have you done Anki?
30-60 minutes, usually. I'm maybe two or three months in (1500 cards).

What does take a vacation imply? Are you also going to ditch your phone?
Yes, I would ditch the phone. I'm just having an existential panic about using the Internet so much. When I try to quit the Internet I become instantly depressed, anxious and bored out of my mind, though. I think I might just get a full-time job to keep myself away from 4chan. I don't have the self-control or enough to do to stay away from it willingly.

>>21521779
I read that as キズナアイドル

>>21521779
Hot damn, only 3000 chink dollars to get a hug from a cute little girl? Sign me up! I don't wanna play twister, though. I'm not a pedo.

about to dokusho some man画 yo

is it bad if I learn japanese exclusively because I think it sounds and looks cool

I got a hug loving little sister
how do you feel about that

>>21521791
If you've learned for 2-3 months and you stop using Anki for a month now you will forget 90% of everything probably since I assume you would not use any Japanese anywhere else.

If you're so concerned about internet usage you can put your deck on your phone and take out the sim card assuming you won't use any Wifi either.

Or just stop being an addict bitch and just do your fucking reps and then put shit away.
But you can also just quit, you most likely will not make it either way anyways.

>>21521807
absolutely not words like 若年性アルツハイマー病 don't sound nearly as cool as they do in English

>>21521813

>>21521813
I got a hug hating little sister but she's not a tsundere etiher, just incredibly awkward. How about that.

>>21521807
only if it's bad that im learning japanese to show off at a party next year

Somone please post that Japanese rap over the lil uzi beat that gets posted somewhat often in here
It’s the one with his head on the cover

>>21521779
this is fucked up and disturbing

>>21521807
it'll start to sound less cool as you hear and understand it more. it's the same with all languages

https://streamable.com/aedo4

every time quiz shit talks matt

so uhhh do you actually go out and stuff?

>>21521822
i just want anki to fuck off desu

it's like having a leg iron that shackles you to a device with a screen and an Internet connection

>>21521839
maybe that video would be worth watching if he said that in japanese

Just filter quiz please

>>21521683
lmao

>>21521838
still sounds cool to me after 5 years

@jamal https://streamable.com/ttdwn

>>21521746
HOLD IT RIGHT THERE
what show

>>21521856
lmao

>>21521856
Lmao

>>21521856
the thing that feels most bad about that is i only know like the gen 1 pokemons

>>21521906
that's a good thing, every gen after 1 was shit

I really like Rae Lil Black. My favorite porn actress at the moment. I just love her.

>>21521912
idk i played the nds ones and liked them ok but like i still never remembered any of the pokemans there just isnt enough room in my heart or smth

Does anyone know of any VNs that have exclusively voiced dialogue? I only know of Amnesia but I'm not gay nor a female.

>>21521942
Any of science adventure?

>>21521942
how do u self insert if the mc is voiced

just watch anime cuz thats actually what u want

>>21521955
I want to train my listening skills and to be able to go at my own pace.

>>21521947
They have unvoiced MC inner monologues.

手うが

anime is overrated, live action is better for listening

and let's face it, terrace house is better than pretty much all anime ever made

live action, drama and terrace house is all complete and utter shit
and if you think those are actually jack shit you belong on Reddit not here
worthy listening practice would be 銀河英雄伝説 which has actual good Japanese and none of that gay shit Japanese people speak
https://streamable.com/dzug8

>>21521977
nah terrace house is fake scripted/forced bullshit and the problem with drama is that most actors suck ass so anime actually feel more realistic in a sense. but maybe there's variety shows that can be fun.

if ur gonna watch 3d why not watch real life shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy7SAKCQ_qk

>>21521988
because i can only understand anime voice actors

>>21521942
this has voiced inner monologue https://vndb.org/v4936, obviously narration is unvoiced but i have no fucking clue what you mean by voiced narration.

>>21521975
also go fucking listen if you wanna train listening, the fuck you reading porn books for listening practice

>>21521997
well ur gonna have to do something about that

>>21521988
lmao this reminds me of the video of that chinese dude kicking the white woman and running away. why are petty acts of violence by asian guys so funny.

>>21522006
that's not funny, it probably hurt :(

>>21522009
i felt bad for her but i mean the way he made his escape was funny. he was hunched over just like ビールさん

>>21521998
I normally listen to train listening but I wanted to see if it was worth checking out VNs. I should have said I meant no narration at all. So the MC is either mute or only has voiced dialogue

>>21521981
>fake scripted/forced bullshit
What's the source for that? Oh, a dumb half-chink american roasty who was mad the show made her look like shit. Naturally producers are going to set up certain situations, but that goes without saying for any reality tv program.

>>21522006
post link or it didn't happen

>>21522017
listen to an audiobook or something

there's the voiced narration and voiced thoughts tag on vndb so just search for them

>>21521980
>live action, drama and terrace house is all complete and utter shit
this we can agree on. terrace house bores me to absolute shit.

how many months do i have to listen for 2+ hours a day until i acquire all the grammar in DoJG

>>21522050
probably more hours than you'd have to spend if you just fucking read the book

>>21522055
i've actually gone over all the points multiple times and read all the sentences multiple times but i can tell i haven't acquired it yet, so nice try.

most live action is indeed shit, except tokusatsu like garo and kamen rider, those are good

>>21521942
What does that even mean? That every line someone says is voiced or that there are no non-dialogue lines?

That even non-dialogue lines are voiced?

>>21521858
not him but I think it's called ぎんぎつね

>>21522055

>Reading a dictionary as if it was a book.

Cringe and autistic-pilled.

lol the first dude(?) in this sounds like some anime villian https://youtu.be/YQLD80PuqmM

I remember the video where I guy criticizes people learning from anime
My question is, are there people learned english talk like goofy or donald?

>>21522106
thats a cranky grandma actually

why doesn't yomichan define 関与 as involvement

reminder japanese cops are pUSsIes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLD80PuqmM#t=98

Census Anon here. Take a second to fill this out and I'll share the results with everyone sometime fairly soon. Let's say a week or two would be good?
https://forms.gle/DeyiEEXym8QY1qGe6

>>21522117
>My question is, are there people learned english talk like goofy or donald?
Probably not, but I've met lots of ESLs who imitate actors like Matt Damon or Leonardo di Caprio.
I suppose that anybody who spends a significant amount of time learning Japanese will eventually learn about the differences between different speakers, accents, levels of politeness, etc., but might still be more likely to imitate a voice actor's speech patterns than those of "real" Japanese person.

>>21522117
the thing is theres just a different manner of speaking (as it relates to what u say) when it comes to theatrics and if u cant tell the difference then thats where it can all go wrong and u end up sounding like quiz tard

ull figure it out eventually if u get a balanced diet of japanese stuff in ur life

>>21522149
>have to sign into google
nope

How long have you been studying japanese for?

How much time passed before you read your first manga/VN or watched your first anime, show, or played your first game etc exclusively in japanese without english subtitles or stuff like that?

>>21522159
It's to prevent duplicate responses. I can't see emails.
I assumed everyone would have Gmail anyway; I'll remove that requirement when next able.

>>21522149
>>21522181
not gettin my fuckin data mother fucker !!

>>21521432
>>21521438
aww you guys kyssing each other it's so cute :3

おはようおにいちゃん

あさしちじだよ

おはようございます

お元気ですか

You know sometimes I read the various retarded onomatopoeia descriptors they use in japanese and think to myself "surely this only exists in fiction featuring 14 year old girls" and then you hear two grown men say "ぴよ--ん"

https://youtu.be/EkBCVPxrEjY?list=PL1Z1KdfmKuebaRiSNxWbMUVZgA3tUrXfE&t=1951

お前らが一番好きなアニメの技は何？
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRFkv0qhO3A

I want to become transhuman so I just become a data ghost integrated into this thread and vn database so I could spend an eternity learning japanese

>>21522149
what do we tick if we studied 2,5 years

damn https://youtu.be/p1gPSMFdWXM

>>21522149
Not gettin me to sign into jewgle.

>>21522160
>How much time passed before you read your first manga
0 it's not reading.

>>21522277
What does this mean?

>>21522277
Sign in req is turned off.