/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Rosa!

>>21105864
My daughter's mother Rosa is so cute

>>21106026
I was gonna post that
btw if you have a tw account It's from https://twitter.com/The07thNetwork/status/1113583305184632832 It's a great account to follow
I wonder how it will tie to the WTC series (both thematically, in the narative of in the overall worldbuilding)

>>21105841
So excuse me being sceptic but what actually makes Ciconia a WTC if it's not a mystery as such? I'll enjoy it regardless but this seems more like a marketing ploy than anything...

>>21106074
>not a mystery as such
It depends on your definition of "mystery", but neither are Higurashi or Umineko really.

>>21106074
I think he meant that it is still a mystery but the explanations will be clearly explained, in both higurashi and umineko most answers aren't clearly written in white on black, in fact all of the closed rooms are still left to be figured out, they just give you the tools to destroy them and the tricks that are used, in higurashi, a lot of mysteries also are inderectly referenced, like sakoto's uncle's body, you yourself has to make the connection when reading ep 6 when mion mentions that her family moved rena's stepmom body

in the case of ciconia, I think it stems from ryushiki realsing that most people that will read his work won't necessarly put in the full effort to break the mystery (think about land of the golden witch, wihich was cancelled for this reason)
[https://umineko.fandom.com/wiki/Answer_to_the_Golden_Witch]

>>21106093
I definitely didn't think that thinking would get you anywhere close to the "solution" in Higurashi that's for sure, but that's also kind of besides the point. Ryukishi really pushed this idea of "you need to think for yourself" hard in both Higurashi and Umineko and that's kind of the main conceit that puts them apart from other VNs. Ciconia not having that makes me wonder what about it makes it a "When They Cry". What defines a WTC if it's not the "mystery" aspect?

>>21106096
Eh, I don't think Higurashi is obscure about its mysteries at all. I really didn't try to figure out anything while reading Higurashi since I didn't feel there really was a point (and I feel justified about that in hindisght) and all the mysteries are more or less clearly explained to the reader.
Umineko does leave some things unexplained but again all the main things are said pretty much directly and not really obscured at all. The only thing that isn't really revealed as some of the closed room tricks but even then he does give you the tricks to all of them in other parts of the story, you just need to match the tricks to the riddles at the end and it's pretty easy.

I do agree that Ryukishi has probably just given up on trying to make the reader solve the riddles for themselves. I think that makes sense since the WTC audience just isn't golden age mystery novel fans, it's just a bunch of otaku. But I do wonder what's gonna replace that idea, I think it'd be kind of a shame if he just decides to write in a more straightforward style.

>>21106140
>But I do wonder what's gonna replace that idea
Fate/ type battle royal to setup an extended universe and eventually a gacha game, it will culminate when ryushiki writes a story for grand order's 10 year anniversary and subsequent tsukihime tie in, revealing that chie/ciel is a kakera jumping witch who has been pulling both universe's string since the start

>>21106140
>What defines a WTC if it's not the "mystery" aspect?

>>21106140
>What defines a WTC if it's not the "mystery" aspect?
You don't need to give a formal definition of "WTC" to be able to tell a WTC apart from a non-WTC. I guess we'll never know until we read it.

>>21106156
I'd actually be down for a Fate/WTC as long as he doesn't milk it to the extent that they milked Fate. Ryukishi writes good fight scenes and is a master at continuously introducing new interesting weirdos.

>>21106160
Sure enough, I'm curious as to what Ryukishi will come up with. I'm more excited about Saku though.

>>21106093
Umineko made people retroactively consider Higurashi a mystery, but its "mystery" was more of a psychological thriller and shady politicians plotting conspiracies.

>>21106184
Ryukishi was constantly pushing it as a mystery in the VN itself though. I don't think Higurashi works very well as a mystery but Ryukishi sure did try to make it one.

>>21105970
you back right

>>21106184
I don't know about the original release, but the french release and box art definitely sells it as a mystery novel, and openly points out that part of the experience of reading higurashi will be to try to figure out the mystery

>>21106140
>What defines a WTC if it's not the "mystery" aspect?
-Real life WW2 mysteries having a massive influence on the life of the culprit.

-This culprit must also be familiar with Christianity in some way and use it to justify their delusions or derive their ideology from it in some way.

-Okonogi.

>>21106184
>Madam Jeanne: "To you, this traditional Japanese room must look like a place where corrupt politicians plot their conspiracies."

>looks exactly like the tea room where Tokyo had their meetings in Higurashi

>>21106235
>-Real life WW2 mysteries having a massive influence on the life of the culprit.
>
>-This culprit must also be familiar with Christianity in some way and use it to justify their delusions or derive their ideology from it in some way.
These more or less describe Fate as well though. I guess Fate doesn't have Okonogi though. Unless they already added him as a servant in GO, I don't keep track of that.

Higurashi has a ciel expy
Umineko has a saberface / Arceuid expy (lion)
Ciconia will have ?

>>21106196
It's a big scale conspiracy type of mystery spanning 5 years. It works really well, but it's definitely not the type of mystery that sets especific rules, times of death, or limits the number of possible suspects. It's its own thing, so I'm OK with Ciconia doing something different again.

Higurashi asks you to think big and guess what the fuck is going on with all this crazy shit. It gets even crazier when Rika shows signs of knowing about other worlds, which forces to you to think about the mystery on a meta level and try to figure out what exactly is going on with the magic element of the story. Before that, you'd just assume that the existence of different episodes wouldn't be brought up in the story itself.

>>21106272

>>21106233
But it's not a classic mystery. It's a story about insane government conspiracies seen through the eyes of mentally ill protagonists. You are not supposed to consider the Knox rules or think about the typical mystery shit. You are supposed to put on a tin foil hat.and try to come up with some crazy explanation for all the shit that happens. There are almost no rules. And I love it.

So I don't get why people want the entire WTC series to be like Umineko. Each story did its own thing, it was never exlusively about classic golden era mysteries. So Ciconia could do its own thing and still be worthy of the title, as long as it makes you think and theorize.

>>21106235
So what's the real life explanation for those incidents? Who shot who at the Marco Polo bridge? And did Italy really hide nazi gold in secret?

>>21106294
The thing with Higurashi is that it gives you so few hints and constraints that there's no way you could ever arrive at the conclusion by yourself. The problem is so open that you could come up with endless "solutions" that don't contradict anything but aren't what Ryukishi had in mind. And the real solution still requires you to accept magic and mystery illnesses.
Also, Higurashi just doesn't get to the point very fast. The early episodes don't really show you much that's actually related to the real big mystery and instead focuses a lot more on the paranoia/unreliable narrator aspects.

I think Umineko is a lot better in this regard since you could actually figure out the main points of the solution by episode 2. And the red truth and Knox rules provide enough guidance so that you can actually make progress solving the riddle by restricting yourself to what's actually possible under the "rules".

>>21106323
I don't think everything should be like Umineko, I think Higurashi was fine. What I have a problem with is not that you can't really figure out what's going on from the hints you're given, but that Ryukishi keeps insisting you mull it over regardless. And also I don't think the big government conspiracy itself is particularly interesting or makes much sense either.
I love the question arcs of Higurashi because of that paranoid feeling where you feel like you can't trust anyone, not even yourself. But when the curtain is finally lifted I find the conclusion to be a bit lackluster.

I do hope that Ciconia makes you think and theorize but from Ryukishi's tweets to me it sounds like he's saying "there might be parts where you could think if you really wanted to but you don't need to". Maybe I'm just reading too much into it or maybe he's just trying to get people to relax their expectations, I don't know.

>>21106272
How can Rena and Mion live with themselves? Their human asses look just as ridiculous as you'd expect from a human. And I bet they smell.

shion

>>21106323
Imagine a Higurashi spin-off in which Rena or some other survivor becomes a detective as an adult and tries to figure out what happened in Hinamizawa and unravel the conspiracy.

Imagine an Umineko spin-off in which Yasu gets cold feet and we get to see the family leave the island peacefully to live the rest of their lives. The protagonist could be adult Maria living off autism bux or something and it would be really heartwarming to see how everyone is doing ten years in the future.

>>21106345
>I don't think the big government conspiracy itself is particularly interesting
I personally like it a lot. It's a really fucking disturbing idea that makes it feel like the characters are powerless against it. And every single one of the conspirators gets away with it, too.

>>21106184
Higurashi has always been advertised as a mystery. The original release even claims that only 1% of people can solve it on the back of the cover (which is probably not a real statistic)

>>21106412
It just felt kind of cliche. Yeah the government is doing medical experiments on kids and the vaccinations give you autism and also they're gonna gas everyone. And it's all run by a shadow organisation with a weird name that runs everything from the shadows. I feel like I've heard that shit a thousand times.

I wish Ryukishi had hired Alex Jones to help him write Higurashi, we could have some cool shit with interdimensional aliens.

ange

>>21106454

>>21106412
>It's a really fucking disturbing idea that makes it feel like the characters are powerless against it
And then Matsuribayashi-hen happened (and to a lesser extent Minagoroshi-hen).

One of the things that made the earlier arcs seem much more down-to-earth was that the cast felt far more fragile and vulnerable.

Keiichi wasn't some Shonen hero who could knock out fully grown soldiers with flying Karate kicks. Mion wasn't a master martial artist who could Judo flip someone like Okonogi faster than the eye can see. They were just kids, and when violence took place it fucking hurt. I mean compare all the scenes with the Yamainu goons being knocked out like stereotypical henchman with the parts where Rina or Teppei got bludgeoned.

Ryukishi pretty much wrote himself into a corner with the government conspiracy. He had to turn the Club into a bunch of larger-than-life superheroes for them to beat Takano's forces. And in doing so all sense of powerlessness went right out the window.

>>21106488
I agree. Also I just don't see why the whole government conspiracy thing was necessary. Higurashi has a perfectly good premise with the club members falling into paranoia for no good reason. Ryukishi could've just resolved that and ended on the same central message of "always trust your friends" without needing to bring large scale conspiracies into the picture.
To me a big part of the appeal of the early parts of Higurashi was the small scale, just an ordinary bunch of kids in a more or less ordinary small mountain village thinking themselves into a paranoia that they can't get themselves out of again.

>>21106268
I think Takano looks similar to Arcueid as well?

>>21106527
It really says a lot that Onikakushi-hen is a story about a teenage boy who's worried over nothing, and yet is still far more tense and nerve-wracking than the final arc about a secret militia plotting to exterminate a village.

>>21106552
It's because it's much easier to relate to. I think everyone can relate to being paranoid, especially around that age. Plus it's just really successful at making the reader feel that same paranoia. While reading it I felt just as suspicious and confused about what was really going on as K1.

>>21106488
They aren't super soldiers, they are an intelligence unit. And they didn't expect the kids to fight back. I know what you mean, but I don't really dislike it. It's a really triumphant ending for the story.

It's not like they did anything impossible for a human. They just had balls, put in some effort and got really fucking lucky. That's what gives the story tension at this point. Hanyuu has basically used up all of her remaining power to turn into a physical being and become the piece that was previously missing.

Rika knows they are risking their last chance at a happy future, so from her perspective this is all tense as fuck. Of course they are all going to survive somehow, the reader knows this. They are struggling against insurmountable odds and somehow winning by pure luck. It's fucking magical. But even that luck wouldn't be worth shit if the were weak-willed and didn't give it their all to save their friends.

>>21106552
>a story about a teenage boy who's worried over nothing, and yet is still far more tense and nerve-wracking
Of course it is, that's what Ryuukishi intended. It's not just your typical paranoia, it's literally a bunch of microscopic bugs physically messing with his brain chemicals because they got upset over the climate or whatever, which plungs him into a nighmarish, unbearable, terrifying persecution complex that gets worse by the minute.

Of course something like that would be more terrifying than some obscure shady people plotting a conspiracy. Onikakushi is meant to be the scariest part of the story, because you still know nothing about the true nature of this creepy village.

>>21106596
It's not just that though. Matsuribayashi-hen is a story that's almost devoid of tension. About the only time it actually feels like the cast could be in some deep shit is when Shion and Kasai have to hold off the Yamainu, before getting taken hostage. From then on there wasn't a single scene where it felt like the club's victory wasn't inevitable.

>>21106619
It's obvious that they are going to win after all the set-up. It wouldn't feel right if it ended with a downer ending, so I don't think Ryuukishi really wanted to make you doubt whether they would win or not.

The point is that the characters, especially Rika, are not sure if they are going to win or not. They are pulling a crazy stunt after another and somehow still resisting.

>>21106619
Honestly, I was more worried about Takano's fate throughout the entire thing. The introduction to the episode makes it very easy to empathize with her, but her actions are still abominable.

It's obvious that every main character will get a good ending, but the villain is the one person you are supposed to be worried about. You never know if she will do something crazy and kill herself or have her freedom and life destroyed to pay for her crimes. So it really keeps you at the edge of your seat, not sure of what will become of her.

I still have mixed feelings about Takano and she's my favorite character in the story. I can't decide if she deserves to be forgiven or not, because the shit she did to Rika's parents was just unforgivable. But I also find her incredibly pitiable.

We still have the mystery of what's under Cravat-kun's shorts

>>21106779
Certainly nothing.

>>21106779
hes so cute

Why did Matsuribayashi-hen make such a big deal out of Keiichi in the first act? It talks a big game about him being an essential piece, but then he turns out to be possibly the most inconsequential character in the battle against Takano. About the only noteworthy thing he does is shriek into a radio.

>>21107058
Lolis find older guys cool.

Okay, this is bothering me. I remember Ryuukishi talked about how WTC1-4 were social experiences where people talked and speculated a lot. He mentioned this in the context of Ciconia. Does someone have a link, or remember accurately what he said about Ciconia there?

Who would be wilder in bed? Ange or Jessica
?

>>21107324
they both seem like they would be bad at it

>>21107324
Jessica, no question.
I bet Ange would be moody all the time and invoke the headache card the second you try making out with her
Jessica craves the dick so much you'd be the one getting a headache after 9 consecutive hours of riding
George could have fucked Shannon in the ass but there's no way in hell Jessica could have been satisfied with Kanon's lack of ****!

>>21107324
Jessica would try too hard and suck at it.

Ange would get really into it and do shit that would make her want to kill herself the next day.

>>21107324
Ange would probably randomly cry after sex.

>>21107324
I ship Jessica and Jooji. Kanon could never satisfy her.

Jooji is a manipulative cunt and could easily convice his dumbass cousin to pity fuck him.

>>21107324
I prefer Ange's plump body, but they both have super lewd hairy pussies. Pathetic whores!

>>21107324
Kanon LITERALLY pulled an Elliot Rodger and killed this cutie.

Fuck that eunuch cuck to hell.

>>21107324
The gorgeous angel that you posted.

>>21107324
Kind of a loaded question by posting just an image of Jessica in all of her hottest outfits.

>>21107436
As opposed to Ange's two outfits that either make her look stuckup or fat.

>>21107442

>>21107436
Ange doesn't need a bunch of outfits.

Her school uniform is ugly as all fuck, but it represents her humiliation and bullying at the hands of girls her age. Girls who have lived the same number of years as Ange, and yet are much more successful with boys and have actual social lives. Ange's school uniform is hot because she wears it when she's only 16, because it represents Eva's control over her pathetic teenage life and because it contains all the memories of her degradation, social rejection and bullying. It represents her wounded ego and her status as a human being with no dignity, powerless to stop the bullying and uphold her pride.

Ange's main outfit is really damn cool. It represents Ange's young adult life. She just turned 18 and is now old enough to do porn or become a prostitute if she wants. She has the option to choose those fates, to sell her dignity for money. Her main outfit also represents her badass yet immature I-don't-give-a-shit attitude. She won't take shit from anyone and will throw cash around to get over any obstacles. But this edgy, angsty, immature attitude that only a teenager would perceive as cool is really pathetic, because it's a direct result of all the years she spent as the lowly bullied kid, wishing she could be a cool girl and treat people like crap too. That's what makes this outfit super lewd. It represents her angsty baggage and immature retaliation against the world. You can tell she's is still fantasizing about getting her revenge, years after the bullies have already forgotten about her and moved on with their successful lives. Also, her main outfit has a short skirt and a Haruhi armband.

Ange's third and final outfit is... her birthday suit. Her butt-naked human body, which grows hair in embarrassing places and produces lewd sweat. Her disgusting human body, which is literally a machine that turns food into shit that must eventually be excreted in the most shameful act a human can partake in. Her beautiful human body, just plump enough to be extremely lewd, which gives her pleasure during her lowest moments.

All three of her outfits are super hot. Jessica can't even compete.

>>21107445
Why exactly did they decide to expose her ass like that in the manga covers? This one isn't even the lewdest one.

I mean, seriously. You can literally see her naked butt cheeks and the sweaty, damp crack in the middle. I guess it makes sense, given her short skirt, but still... Why choose a position that would reveal something like that? Why expose her embarrassing human condition so casually? Aren't we supposed to take her seriously as a person? Why put that thing on our faces and force us to be consciously aware of her need to take a shit, among other things, while we read her serious story and try to empathize with her?

Is there any fanart that portrays Ange as her more plump self from the original novel?

She looks too skinny in this picture. Ange is not supposed to be skinny-skinny or regular skinny. She's supposed to be "normal", just closer to skinny than fat. She needs a slightly thicker body to feel like the real Ange.

>>21107494
>ywn outrage Ange's modesty

>>21107557
That reminds me of this old article:

http://www.flyffworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60085

>A SEVEN-year-old girl was made to strip naked by her teacher in a New Delhi school for not completing her homework.

>She was made to strip completely naked and stand on a desk in her class on Friday while other students were asked to boo her.

>"The teacher was arrested on a complaint by the parents but she has been released as it was a bailable offence," Rajan Bhagat said.

>"This is barbaric," Shanta Sinha, head of the National Commission for Protection of Child Rights, said in a newspaper report. "No one has the right to outrage the modesty of a child."

>The commission had issued a directive this year barring schools from calling students "stupid" or "mindless".

>A government study backed by the United Nations Children's Fund said earlier this year two-thirds of children in India are physically abused, mostly at home and in schools.

>"That's absolutely disgusting, how could anybody possibly humiliate and degrade a child in such a way? What makes them think they have the right to do such a thing? Barbaric isn't a strong enough word."

>Really, in what universe is stripping a child naked and having them taunted by classmates going to make them want to try harder? "Hm, I'm sure Johnny would do better in school if he just had a few more traumatic experiences to build his character. Oh, well, time to finish my lesson plan! Period One: Taunting naked classmates, Period Two, attaching mouse-traps to students' genitals."

>I'll bet a million that this girl quits school as soon as the cameras turn away from her.

>And on a side note, what's sick is that there are probably people doing the same thing to children in the world, and don't even have the excuse of punishing them.

>I'm sure that someone, somewhere, is whishing that the teacher had a video of this.

>I'm sure that someone, somewhere, is whishing that the teacher had a video of this.

>I'm sure that someone, somewhere, is whishing that the teacher had a video of this.

Remember when "YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUTRAGE THE MODESTY OF A LOLI" became a meme on /jp/ back in 2015 or so? Good times.

>>21107542
Girls only have one body type when drawn in anime style sorry anon.

Can you even imagine Ooishi and Tomitake's original sprites with LEGS? The way their backs are slouched back like that just makes it impossible to imagine them standing up.

"The Seven Ages of Girlhood" - von Joseph Ashby-Sterry (1876)

I.
At Two, she is a tiny lass,
And joy she scarcely knows from sorrow;
She scarce consults her looking-glass;
She has no thought of sad tomorrow!

II.
At Four she is a merry maid,
And looks on aught but play as folly;
She can't believe bright flowers fade--
That only sawdust is her dolly.

III.
At Eight, her troubles come in scores,
For oft she is perverse and haughty;
A pouting puss in pinafores--
Who's sometimes whipped when she is naughty!

IV.
At Twelve, she is a saucy teaze,
Who knows full well her glances rankle;
Her petticoats scarce veil her knees,
And fairy frills scarce kiss her ankle.

V .
At Fifteen, she's the pearl of pets,
And feels assured her pow'r is strengthened;
Her snowy school-girl trouserettes
Are hidden when her skirt is lengthened.

VI.
At Sixteen, she's the sweetest sweet,
And dresses in the height of fashion;
She feels her heart 'neath bodice beat,
In earnest for the tender passion.

VII.
At Eighteen, p'r'aps she may be sold
Her lot to share, for worse or better;
She'll either sell her heart for gold--
Or give it for a golden fetter!

>>21107597
Just how perverse is Mareea?

>>21107597
it's sad.
I'm sad.

>>21107597
>A pouting puss in pinafores
The fuck does that even mean?

>>21107494
Anon's psycosexual umineko analisys are the reason I come here

I'gonna post something from my current obsession and this time is NOT OT!
(Or at least not that ot)

>>21106427
I can't find the interview but ryu mentionned that the 1% came from a poll he made after the first or second chapter was released;

>>21106488
Matsuribayashi-hen is a forgery written by bern after hanyuu used all of her remaining power

I tried something.

>>21108123

>>21108123
>>21108127
Can I have them

that alpha bitch Kyrie

>>21106159
You forgot all the ellipses...
You can't have a true Ryuukishi07 work, without hundreds... No thousands of ellipses...

>>21107403
No he didn't. The game boards were all hypothetical and were never actually carried out. Real Yasu probably wouldn't have had the guts to go through with it.

>>21107515
Don't you ever get tired of this?

I'm a little stupid.
Was it Kinzo who decided to steal italian gold?
Or what the fuck is this about?

>>21108408
Kinzo's flasback in ep 7 was not honest and what actually happened was he ended up killing everyone and taking the gold like the absolute unit he is.

>>21108423
This. He even killed Beatrice and stole her newborn child.

>>21108423
Then what is this furniture thing then?
Is it because she can't have children?

NANJO IS FATHER OF MARIA
NANJO IS FATHER OF MARIA
NANJO IS FATHER OF MARIA

Anyone know what DameDame used for a font in their subs? For reasons.

>>21108492
It's regrettable... having to end a life ... after saving so many

>try Umineko fighting
>can't do any special attack
Wtf?

>>21108701
activate the meta-world baka

Lots of Ange x Mammon here. Good.

>>21108701
http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Ougon_Musou_Kyoku/Controls

>>21108701
real witches play princess mode

>>21108752
>>21108705
Well my keyboard works strange. When i try to perform A+B it read this as A then B.
And i don't understand how to use arrows.

Can Featherine lie with the red?

>>21108761

>>21108782
>keyboard

>>21108801
no bully

What practical value does Hinamizawa Syndrome actually serve as a military bioweapon? I can't imagine it'd be easy to deploy in large quantities. And it's a hell of a lot slower acting than typical nerve gases.

>>21108904
You finally understand that ryukishi's writing is weak.

Rudolf and Kyrie did everything right.

>>21108981
They didn't double-tap Eva.

>>21108408
>>21108423
That scene comes out of Clair's guts, implying that this is what she THINKS Kinzo did. She has no fucking way of knowing the truth.

>>21108701
Fighting games are bullshit, play princess mode.

>>21109013
They should have looked into a different fragment to learn proper corpse examination procedures.

>>21107597
Googling this poem shows me a blog full of half-naked children. Hi FBI!

what’s nu-bernkastel’s power

>>21108904
None during actual war, but you could use it to sneakily drive certain key people mad and cause chaos in another country, without even exposing yourself as an enemy.

>>21109040
You fell for the trap. You poor bastar, say hi to Bubba.

>>21109048
Even that carries some potential risks. Say for instance one of the victims was a person with the authority to command or had the means to launch a missile strike or something.

Who has the biggest dick in Umineko?

>>21109075
Lambda and Bern when they feel like it

Who's the third best mom after Hanyuu and Akane?

>>21109086
*third best Higurashi mom*

>>21109086
Rosa!

>>21109086

>>21109152
What if Kinzo is father of Marie?

Newfags don't know, oldfags don't remember.

LOL

>>21109196
>Marie
Who?

>>21109241
The human loli from Higanbana.

>>21109275

>>21109368
Am I the only one that imagined notMion and notRika as 13 year olds?

Rika is way too fucking tall in the official art. When we only had the original silhouettes in Hou, I imaged a slightly older regular Rika and Himatsubushi Mion.

would be rad to see the 3 blue haired hoes work as a team in Saku

Is Umineko OMKC good ?
I heard about it several times. Is it worth playing ?

>>21108357
What's this page from? Episode 7 tea party or something?

Higurashi Daybreak is underrated.

>>21109447
If you like fighting games, sure. I enjoyed the story modes they have, they were fun to play through.

Fuck Ryuksihi.
He ruined Rudolf.

>>21108782
I've played it on keyboard just fine. It works the same as any other fighting game in my experience. Just do the directional inputs it tells you to. Half circles might be difficult if you're not used to it because it's easy to skip the down input but you'll get used to it with a bit of practise.
Also there should be a macro button for a+b, that's what I used

>>21109551
How so?

>>21108500
moonhotel font

>>21109667
He made him cuckold and sucker instead of making him alpha.

>mangagamers
>released one of the biggest vn's script
>can't release 2 episodes of Umineko

>>21109840
How is he a cuckold? He's the one that impregnated two chicks at once. If that's not alpha then what is

>>21108355
In other words... Ryukishi often used the three points (...) that served as ellipses...

>>21106159
It was only natural.

Imagery of a blooming rose to represent pools of blood/someone being shot.

The "X... no, Y..." thing.

>>21109968
Anon stopped typing, mid-sentence.

His body hung inert, like a puppet whose strings had been cut.

witch magic

>>21109968
>>21109978
*smiles wryly*

>>21109897
repost this in a few hours and you got it

>>21110426

>>21110851

>>21110333
>tfw no autistic genius daughturu

>>21106003
Nice find, giantess Higurashi content is rare++

It's nanjo's birthday in japan right now (05/04)

>>21109457
It's from Episode 8. Second to last chapter

>>21110978
She's the stupidly stubborn type of autist, anon. She's Chris-chan without his trainwreck of an upbringing.

How did Ryuukishi come up with Erika? It's crazy that such a memorable character wasn't created before.

>>21111040
>t. Rosa

>>21109571
>tfw no edit of Satoko saying "mon cul"

Is Nekogoroshi canon?

>>21111045
He just set his inner intellectual rapist loose and put it into a cute girl.

>>21111074

>>21111074
Mais tous en étaient atteints : Zazie comme les autres, la très chère Zazie, qui veut être institutrice pour faire, très justement et finalement, chier les mômes. Programme (nettement zadique): « Je leur enfoncerai des compas dans le derrière ; je leur botterai les fesses. » Moulées à souhait évidemment, les jeunes fesses de Zazie, dans de fameux bloudjinnes dérobés à ce vieux satyre de Pédro-Surplus. Zazie est une sirène, on l'a vu, une petite innocente dont le zazique refrain attire et séduit les bons vieux messieurs, qui ne rêvent que de profanation enfantine, de saccager la jeunesse. Ils s'en promettent, ils en veulent au petit cul de Zazie, à ses fesses.

I literally just realized that
>furude erika
>furuderica
>frederica

>>21111045
This was during Ryukishi's guest appearance at Anime Expo 2015.

>>21111155
>au petit cul de Zazie
Lewd!

>>21111238
that's litteraly how rika comes up with frederica bernkastel's name in rei's first chapter

>>21106712
Takano's past made me feel really, really bad for her. I was shocked reading about what she had to endure, it also came pretty unexpected

>>21111300
It's more the sadness of watching a loved one deteriorate and die with the feeling of having wasted his life on a research that got ridiculed and rejected. It must have killed his spirit. It's hard to watch someone have their passion and dreams destroyed, especially if it's your grandfather. Grandparents tend to give you nothing but love, so the idea of something bad happening to them is infuriating.

I can understand that sense of guilt and pity towards a old, fragile relative, so I get where Takano is coming from.

D U D E
T H E
D O O R
W A S
N E V E R
E V E N
L O C K E D
L M A O

>>21111246

>>21106323
why does it look like satoshi just got done plowing shion and is walking away like "later, slut", is this why shion went bonkers?

>>21106074
>what actually makes Ciconia a WTC if it's not a mystery
just like higu and umi, the real mystery is why anyone reads this junk! dohohohohoho

>>21106074
The past and the future are all superscriptions of data, Anon.

Anyways, Ciconia not being a mystery is fine. It's classic WTC genre shift.

Which Seacat would you like to spend a weekend of drinking with?

(no drunken sex, but any type of drinking, fratboy chugging, snooty sipping out of proper glasses, having long drunken philosophical discussions, getting belligerent and talking shit to all the other Seacats etc)

>>21112033
What if Satoshi was literally the chad version of Mamiya Takuji and Shion just romanticized him as some mellow, awkward kid with a pretty face? They both look the same, wear the same clothes everywhere and have a little sister that gets abused by her own family.

Shion is fucking bonkers after all.

>>21112178
I'd drink juice and watch cartoons intended for 4 year olds with Maria, because I'm a beta basedboy like George senpai!

>>21112178
Yes

Just stopping by to say I LOVE RIKA!!!!!!! (AND BERN)

>>21112178
I'd shoot some seagulls with a drunk Kinzo.

>>21106159
>Central one is isn't bullying
You have failed me.

>>21107403
>Kanon
Weird way to spell aunt Kyrie?

Re-reading Umineko years later is pretty bonkers.

>>21106074
I think the repeating scenario is more important than the mystery aspect.

>>21112356
>allowing a "beginning" to happen
>perfect クライム

Why does Batoraaaaaaa dress like that one church dude who stole a flag in North Korea and got killed for it?

>Irie is all about hating the sin instead of the sinner
>literally thinks evil is a mental disorder
>Is perfectly OK with Keiichi murdering the poor uncle
Is he a hypocrite willing to abandon his own beliefs to protect his loli crush?

Although he believed Keiichi was hallucinating the whole thing, so maybe it's just that.

>>21112950
Dude looks legit scary in the original art.

He looks like a dumb redneck in the other inferior versions.

>>21107058
He did break them out of the cycle of fate twice in the previous arcs. Without him they would have been fucked.

Would Shion be too much of a crybaby to take anal?

She literally started crying for her mommy after only two fingernails.

Keiichi is better off with Rena. She is a nice girl and has a lewd butt. She is also very intelligent and believes in UFO shit.

Knowing his luck, he'd fuck something up and get the entire Sonozaki family arrested if he married Mion. He's almost as incompetent as Battler, he can't handle a shady mafia like that.

By the way, the fact the Yasu is the culprit all along(by culprit I mean he/it planned the bombing, etc)goes against Van Dine rules which forbid servant to be culprit.
Is R07 just making fun of us ?

>>21113395
Beato doesn't follow Van Dine and Yasu isn't really a servant. Also, real life murders don't have to be restricted by mystery rules.

Beato's stories follow Knox to make the mystery fair. Van Dine's rules are more about avoiding cliches and stupid plot twists, they are meant to help you produce a good story, rather than a fair mystery. Which doesn't matter in Beato's case because she'll cover up the actual human story with magic shenanigans anyway.

>>21113395
By the time Yasu plots the murders, Yasu became the new head of the family and was no longer really a servant.

>>21113395
Van Dine never applied to the story.

Will used some red for a completely separate murder in a completely different universe at the beginning of EP7. That's it.

>>21113418
>>21113421
>>21113434
Except will uses van dine rules to fight the goats in episode 8 along with dlanor

Diaper-wearing quadruple amputee Ange

>>21113518
Yasu is not a servant

>>21113518
Read EP5 again.

>>21113528
>Umineko as written by Okamoto Lynn

>>21113518
>By the time Yasu plots the murders, Yasu became the new head of the family and was no longer really a servant.

>>21113553

It's 2019 dont take the bait, umi is dead but have some dignity.

>>21113528
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/3376836

>>21106476
Wtf the fact thag Ange has an ass is weird you can't respect her anymore because she has a anus and she poo from it!
It's more lewd when she asks for toilet paper and says "kiss my ass" as an insult! in fact she knows that butts are disgusting but that makes her an inferiour human being, how pathetic!
The fragility of ushiromiya Angsty.

>>21113528
Just imagine Ange naked on top of a table, shitting herself like a pig and unable to even close her legs because she doesn't have legs anymore.

>>21113574
Brother's bond that's cute.

>>21113579
Imagine having a picture of her before with her edgy and angsty expression on her face and then looking her pathetic actual self!

>>21113574
>ywn be humiliated by witches for all eternity along with your sister Ange
>ywn cry with her between humiliation sessions and develop a strong bond that only fellow humiliatees can understand
>ywn cry together about how Bern humiliated your butts, bonding through the fact that your assholes feel the same even though you are different genders because all humans have assholes

>>21113594
Ange Beatoreeche isn't human, she's a witch. The only human Ange he can interact with is the loli version.

>>21113594
I wonder how akward could be the relationship after all that humiliation.
I bet featherine is showing that to all of their family.
You what is worse? Jooji would fap to that.

>>21113606
The only pure Ange is loli ange.
Fuck her disgusting ass-having future Ange.

I wonder how high school Ange would react to being stripped naked by her bullies and forced to walk around the school like that, her hairy pussy and pathetic ass crack exposed as everyone mocks her. Her decently sized breasts bouncing in a lewd way as someone plays with them. Her naked body being kicked and punched by girls her age as she falls to the floor and starts crying.

I mean, if a witch tortured her to the point of making her faint or scream in agony, that'd be understandable. If a witch killed her entire family in front of her, she'd start crying and screaming in sorrow. But how the fuck would she react when she finds herself butt naked in front of her entire class? It's so unpredictable! It's such an awkward situation, she would probably behave erratically.

On one hand, she'd want to scream, cover herself or try to get away from the bullies. But on the other hand, her life is already ruined and there is no point in fighting back anymore. She may as well enjoy her own humiliation in a twisted way and do everything they tell her to do, being reduced to furniture. Giving up on her humanity and pride is the only way to get over the fact that she's butt naked in front of everyone. Otherwise, she'd have to bear the pain of being so thoroughly humiliated while she still values her dignity.

The unpredictability of a broken Ushiromiya Angste! Lewd! I bet her reaction would be super fun to watch, as her confused mind alternates between trying to preserve her dignity and giving up on it. She may even collapse because the situation is so overwhelming.

Can you imagine reading that whole scene from Ange's perspective? Becoming invested in a character's story and wanting her to succeed only to see her experience a degrading humiliation that crushes all her hopes is the best! It gives the story a bad ending that makes you feel awful, but at the same time you kinda enjoy the trainwreck because it's such an intense scene where you get to see a human being reduced to a worthless piece of meat. Lewd!

Imagine Maria and Mammon seeing all of that. Ange will never be able to have a conversation with them ever again, because she'll be really embarrassed. They witnessed her degradation, they heard her pathetic begging and screaming as one of the bullies forced pencils into her ass while another filmed everything with a 90s video camera.

Umineko is such a lewd series. Ryukishi belongs in a mental institution. What do you think, everyone?

>>21113613
Actually, lolis have the nastiest asses in the world. They may smell really good and all, but they don't care too much about hygiene and they still poop like everyone else. Being lolis doesn't make their butts smell any better.

Loli Ange could go a week without taking a bath and barely smell at all, while future Ange would smell of humanity if she just ran for a while and didn't shower. On the other hand, future Ange is aware of her human condition and takes good care of her body. She wouldn't dare walk around with a dirty butt, unlike the oblivious, innocent and spacey loli Ange. She has no sense of discipline.

>>21113636
This pasta reminds me of this.

https://nhentai.net/g/83606/

It's one of my favorite doujins because of the absolutely lewd premise.

>>21113651
That's true, i mean the cool girl of your class would be covered in shit if it wasnt for her parents.

Beatrice more like braptrice.
*farts*

>>21113660
>tfw you recognize references to 2013 pastas

>>21113636
The fact that it's even physically possible to destroy a human girl's dignity means that dignity is a social construct that doesn't really exist.

All the pride and dignity in the world are built upon a foundation that could crumble any second: the refusal to acknowledge or bring up the most shameful aspects of the human condition, despite the fact that every single human knows the truth behind this pathetic charade and not a single one is being fooled because they ALL know.

>>21113660
Satoko wouldn't even brush her teeth if it wasn't for Rika.

Who here /Akasaka/?

>>21113705
Aw hell yea

I'm reading ep8.
Will it be mentioned who sent this letters with bank pincode?

>>21113833
Gohda did

>>21113636
you belong in a mental institution
and I want to be there with you

>>21113833
You are at EP8 and you still don't know who sent the letters, who had all the money or who was the culprit?

>>21114236
So it was Yasu then?

>>21113636
>while another filmed everything with a 90s video camera
Imagine people fapping to the video of Ange's degradation 20 years later after it leaks into the internet, long after Ange has killed herself and become a nasty rotting skeleton under the ground.

The last thing she left behind on this Earth, the only remnant of her existence, the only thing she achieved in her worthless life, the only thing she will be remembered for... is that humiliating video where she begs and moans, half-crazed.

She has no family, so the only people who will EVER think of her at that point will be perverts who only know her as that one girl in the 10/10 bullying humiliation vintage video.

>>21114246
It was literally George's fucked up eunuch uncle, who is also his waifu.

>>21114258
Wait, Yasu is boy? Nanjo cut his dick after falling?

>>21114269
She's an eunuch raised as a girl. But it's not gay because the fall fucked up his dick and balls beyond repair when he was a literal baby, so now Yasu is sort of... a girl without any male or female traits at all. And a huge scar on her crotch with a small hole for peeing that Nanjo made in a rush.

>>21114269
Why else do you think she wanted to kill herself so badly and take her lovers with her? She'd rather have them die in a bizarre crime believing in the illusion of Shannon and Kanon than let them figure out the truth.

>>21114269
NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>21114269

Is Rena attracted to female kids or is it part of her fake persona?

The first season of the anime had the best art style. Less is more. Prove me wrong.

>>21109297

>>21114345

>>21114338
>>21114357
>>21114362
Rena's human condition!

>>21114327

GEORGE IS KEKOLD
GEORGE IS KEKOLD
MY NAME IS WILL AND I GUARANTEE THAT GEORGE IS KEKOLD

>>21113112
I'm talking about the final arc though. The flashbacks with Oryo's grandma might have made sense in the Minagoroshi-hen Kakera. But Keiichi doesn't do anything noteworthy in the finale.

>>21114447
*flashbacks with Mion's grandma*

>>21114594
>ywn live in a comfy shack

>>21114594
Why did you take photo of my house?

>>21114601
Lewd

*shits vomit on “yasu is a trap” posters*

>>21115049
>shits vomit
How? Isn't one supposed to come from a place the other doesn't?

>>21115080
Without love, it can’t be seen
You eat the vomit then you shit it

What if Battler woke up to this in the second game?

>>21114594
Lolis tend to live in things like that?

>>21114821
Lmao tranny suck my existent dick.

>me after quiz
Thank you Ryukishi I hate myself

>>21115694
Biggest slut on the right.

>>21106476
Why they decided to show her ass? We are supposed to respect her but the implications of her asshole are too much, her human condition, lewd, pathetic, humilliating!

>>21107391

>>21114821
I don't know, i don't think Yasu would have been able to gun down Battler, George and Jessica in cold blood.
The parents, yes, but as soon as she would have faced one of those three, i think she would have stopped.

Did you beat Bern's game by yourself, anons ?
Did you use the clues ?
Did you like it to try your best on a mini gameboard ?

>>21116210
I solved it myself. It wasn't very hard to figure out, I wish Ryukishi had made it harder.

>>21116599
t. Erika

>>21114362
Forces herself to smile but still is radious and beautiful.
I love her.

>>21116210
I already knew 'black battler' was a thing so i suspected that right away and pretty much ruined the puzzle for myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-5pAmoR5AA

>>21116210
Got spoiled from seeing pic related ahead of time, I was upset for the rest of the episode. I really wanted to know if I could've figured it out myself

Why do you think Umineko is better received nowadays?

Cravat-kun
be my boyfriend
Cravat-kun

>>21117210
cutest and best wtc character

>>21117389
Ange and Miyao would make very cute children

>>21117003
people who read it now aren't part of the online forums hate bandwagon and can realize with newer official content and discussions that Shkanon actually makes sense and was heavily foreshadowed since the beginning

>>21117003
people are warming up for another round of OLD GAME GOOD NEW GAME BAD when Ciconia comes out

best cicnia team

>>21117575
You kiding?
They are designated jobbers
If anything the nuns or the russians will be the best ones
Warcats also have a chance if the blue haired girl is Erika

ange x balphegor

maria x betriche

Did anon ever end up finding his 410 image? At least he motivated me to make sure I have backups of all my images...

>>21117003
The EP8 manga salvaged the absolute trainwreck that the arc was in the VN.

>>21117810
Episode 8 vn was great

>>21117824
>completely glossing over Battler meeting Sayo in favor of yet another BeaBato wank illusion
That alone made the VN fail as a proper conclusion. Battler vs Erika being a bunch of abstract irrelevant mystery questions made up on the spot was also incredibly uninteresting compared to the answers for EP5 and EP6 getting revealed by Erika, and that's not even getting into how great Confession of the Golden Witch was. VN EP8 was basically Ryukishi spitting in the face of all his readers and calling them goats before walking off the stage.

>>21117683
Belphegor a cute

>>21117977

Dlanor DD Knox

>>21117983
>tfw no cute, responsible and reticent furniture gf

>>21118014
How can Erica compete?

>>21117382
is r07 art finally good

>>21118087
But furniture are literally imaginary friends.

>>21118313
sex friends

>>21118393
nothing wrong with that

>>21118393
I hope I'll get pierced tonight in my fever dreams

This thread almost fell off a cliff.

Why is this autosaging aaaaaaaaaaah

>>21117389
Okonogi is such a fucking gitano.

>>21120098
anon...

>tfw no witch gf with a cute dick

>>21120098
welcome to the jay

>>21120165

>>21120307
yasu is still alive and plows ange's pussy every day

>>21120409
With what?

>>21120436
Strap

>>21120409
Where is Beato's second hand?

>>21120452
Looks like it's between Ange's legs.

>>21120452
she's fingering her

>>21120165
Virgilia is the walking definition of "viejoven".

>>21120307
>>21120409
The fact that this is official art is really lewd.

>>21113636
https://www.academia.edu/36414260/Human_dignity_does_not_exist_A_summation_of_the_arguments
>Topic 3: Humans have no dignity. They are wretched This view has a long pedigree. Pascal regarded humans as abject and pathetic "worms

>>21120531
There's plenty of lewd official art. Bless Alchemist.

>>21120537
>Ashida Mana has no dignity
Lewd!

>>21120541
beautiful
>ywn wake up next to Natsuhi in her nightgown

>>21120541
God damn why the fuck are virgin anime fans thirsty over 13 years old girls and adolescent teenagers when grown women exist

You have all spent so long talking about Umineko on the internet. You are all so very learned and experienced at this point.
So you should all be able to answer this simple question:
>Who is the culprit in Umineko?
https://www.strawpoll.me/17752854

>>21120735
RUDOROHU

Lion plough me

Sorry. I cried there

>>21121339
The only part of umineko that made me actually cry (not just a single tear) was episode 4 when the meaning of uu uu was revealed.

>>21121347
Damn you.
I already forgot about this.

>>21121347
There was some nice baw moments in the episodes.
I didn't cry but when Jessica called Battler in ep 4 when she had like 5 minutes left, I felt something. And I don't even like Jessica.

The fact that dignity it's just a social fantasy makes Ange human condition pathetic!

Shion's a mean bully.

>>21122034
go on...

>>21122241

>>21122254

>>21122262
How does she feel seeing her son repeatedly coming home dressed like that?

Did you feel some sort of disgust when read ep7 tea party?

>>21116210
I did it by myself with the clues because I'm a brainlet I had a great time, I wish there were more

>>21120165
This doesn't feel right.

>>21121398
>I didn't cry but when Jessica called Battler in ep 4 when she had like 5 minutes left, I felt something. And I don't even like Jessica.
But she's acting.

What if we kissed in the furude shrine?

>>21123151
It was really convincing method acting.

>>21123399
No, I mean, she's literally reading a script and think that's a game.

>>21123399
>>21123414
Also Yasu wouldn't laugh like that as she kills everyone because she's dead inside.

>When you realize the focus on the adults in Ep. 3 and 4 is because they are written by Tohya who is aware they are the true culprits.

I remember reading Umineko in 2008,thinking that Shannon was just the slutty fanservice maid and i, as a horny teenager,fapped to her a lot.
Fuck off Ryukishi you killed me from the inside.

Is ange aware that when she uses expressions like "kiss my ass" she's actually humilliating herself?

>>21123486
Yes and it turns her on

Is human condition the ultimate fetish? I mean no female can evade the premise of that.

The fact that Yasu knows that i know that she poops too is really lewd.

HELLO?

Witch farts

>>21123624
not until I hear it

>>21123793
Evatrice is CUTE

who else here enjoy their umineko pop music mixes?

>>21123807
Even cuter with cat ears.

>>21117382
creamy thighs

>>21116210
I thought the "all victims died instantly" would also count for all the other victims so it sets loose a chain of "if X is telling the truth, Y also has to tell the truth, but then Z also has to tell the truth" and so on. Probably would've got it if I didn't fuck that up

>>21123477
I remember making jokes "Shannon is a trap!" on /a/ in 2009.

>>21123807
Cute or sexy?

>>21124191
Depends on what's happening.

>>21124212
oh my

>>21124191
Cute and Funny

>>21124212
I'm nofapping this month, please restrain from such posts

>>21124340
Why don't you just give up and fap?

>>21120654
Neither will Krauss, since they sleep in separate bedrooms.

>>21124418
Natsuhi is just too pure.