/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>m-league
>4 wins in a row
>10 rentai in a row
this guy is doing it

>>20794439
Nice aspect ratio, dweeb.

>>20793224
I wish I could play on one of these automatic tables.

Serious question, is there something funky going on with Sega MJ's draw RNG?
I've been playing it a little bit just to muck around with and I swear, 9/10 times if I abandon a meld it will give me the tile I needed to complete it within the next 2 turns, for the past few rounds I've played, I feel like it's actually baited me into trying for 7pair only to give me the tile I just threw away over and over and over.
When I compare it to the flash game and tenhou, it seriously feels like something is going on underneath the hood of Sega MJ.

today's lesson is

even if you have 3 doras, the dora indicator tile is fucking dangerous and should be gotten rid of as soon as possible

>>20795267
I have another problem with them, sometimes tiles in the discard pile are not rendered. Rarely and one at the same time but you look at all this and there's a hole in someone's discard. "Riichi, btw"
Also, no hanchans.

>>20795717
supposedly they have hanchans now

>>20795240
go to argentina
https://twitter.com/_xkime/status/1088732343848775680

>that fucking dude on twitch who loaded a needle game right after some tenhou
checks out

>>20796002
Public hanchans or just private?

>>20795240
If you're anywhere near PAX East they have one there

Music for intense mongolian majang sessions
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BK5ACIbJRI

Are there ever any FFXIV weebs shitting up these threads?

>>20799349
Well, it's a new source of fresh players. Riichi needs that.

>>20799551
I figured it'd be taken positively, I'm just shitposting
I played with my aunts when I was a kid but didn't get back into it until I saw FFXIV was adding it in, I like Riichi a lot more than the Chinese game we used to play

I just got riichi'ed by two players on the only remaining 1p outside of the discard pile.

>>20802158
Do you want to know the data for aborts with two winds out?

>>20802317
Yes. I'm guessing it's a pretty rare case, but I'm very curious.

>>20802317
Can I make an assumption that if 2 same winds are discarded and then the third wind comes out, the third guy has bad hand and is out of competition on that round?

>>20802158
>>20802317
>>20802344
What is the reasoning behind the 4 wind game abortion? The other ones make sense, but this one just seems weird. Do people not want to play if their wind is no longer available or something?

at least it made me realize what pro rules mean by "no ryuukyoku in the middle of a round"

>>20805133
It's considered an ill omen. Probably bad feng shui or some ching chong shit.

>>20793224
I wanted to learn mahjong only to understand Akagi and Gin to Kin

>>20807581
So, how did that go?

>>20795240
if you're anywhere near Los Angeles you can give Lapom a shot

>>20807581
I started learning so I could enjoy more of the Yakuza series

I started learning because I saw this thread.

Me mostly because of Akagi.

I learnt because of something I can't quite remember.

>>20810615
I started learning because I watch these lesbian!

No regrets, but damn! Obviously I lost soon after to a single tile wait.

>>20812559
>toitoi san ankou fanpai2 dora 2
What could've been

I'm fucking done with Tenhou's bullshit. Every fucking hand I get dealt trash while everyone else gets bullshit good hands and wins within the first row of discards. If it happened even just a few times it'd be understandable, but when it happens in the majority of hands in every fucking game there's something up.

>>20813420
Yes, chances are that you suck

>>20813420
this is not tenhou, it's just mahjong. in the long run, you'll get positive if you're good. I get sad when some real bullshit happens, but then next day I get all the uradoras and baimans, and I'm happy again. you just gotta keep playing

>>20813420
It's very obviously rigged, but most online games of chance are rigged, so I wouldn't feel too bad.

>>20813420
Get good

>>20813420
What rank are you?

Switch to majsoul, bigger and clean looking tiles make it look like the starting hands are better. I was rather sure of it before opening its review tab and comparing few games closely. Or install the tenhou windows client.

Majsoul is rigged, and also gachashit.
Do me a favor and go play there, so I don't have to hear you complain about Tenhou ever again

I've been trying to translate the rules page that comes with Mattari Mahjong from scratch. Can any Japanese experts double check that everything is correct here?
>RULES:
>クイタン、後づけありのいわゆるアリアリルール
Ari-ari mahjong rules.
>オカ　25000点の30000点返し
Starting score: 25,000. Target Score: 30,000.
>ウマ 1-3。
Uma: 30/10/-10/-30 (5 down/6 up).
>試合長 東南戦/東風戦を選択可
Hanchan/tonpuusen option.
>裏ドラ、カンドラあり。
Uradora/kandora enabled.
>赤ドラ　３枚/0枚を選択可。
3/0 akadora option.
>連荘/流局 東場南場ともに聴牌連荘
Renchan on dealer tenpai enabled.
>和了やめ　あり(トップがオーラスに上がるか聴牌すると自動的にゲーム終了）
Game automatically ends if dealer is in first on the last round.
>半荘終了時同点の場合　起家から麻雀回りの順で優先
In the event of a tie, winner is determined by initial seat order.
>２飜しばりなし
Ryanhan shibari disabled.
>西入りなし
West round disabled.
>ダブルロン　頭ハネ
In the event of a double ron, player closest to discarder wins hand.
>トビ終了（ただし持ち点0点は継続）
Game ends when a player goes negative.
>持ち点が1000未満の場合は立直不可
You may only riichi if you have at least 1000 points.
>途中流局あり(九種九牌、四風連打、トリプルロン、四家立直、四槓算了）
Abortive draws enabled (nine unique terminals/honors, four duplicate wind discards, triple ron, four riichis, four kans by different players).
>大明槓の嶺上開花はツモあつかい。
Sekinin barai for daiminkan rinshan kaihou.
>国士無双のアンカンに対する槍槓なし
Ankan cannot be robbed for thirteen orphans.
>暗槓のカンドラは即めくり、明槓のカンドラは打牌後にめくる
Kandora flips immediately for ankan. kandora flips after discard or second kan declaration for daiminkan/shouminkan.
>包（責任ばらい）無し。
Sekinin barai for regular yakuman disabled.
>連風牌の対子は4符
Yakuhai pair can score up to 4 fu.
>食い変えは現物も含めてOK.
Swap calling enabled.
>ハイテイ牌のポンチーカンは不可
Last tile call disabled.
>四暗刻単騎待ち、九連宝燈九面待ち、国士１３面待ち、大四喜はＷ役満扱い
Sekinin barai on suuankou pair wait, nine gates nine-sided wait, thirteen orphans thirteen-sided wait, and big four winds enabled.

>>20813420
do what I did: play live and try new clients like sega MJ or mahjong tengokuhai. everything is bullshit but differently. taking a break helps.

>>20814548
t. tenhou defense force

>>20814783
>四暗刻単騎待ち、九連宝燈九面待ち、国士１３面待ち、大四喜はＷ役満扱い
Double yakuman for suuankou tanki, 9-wait chuuren, 13-side kokushi, and daisuushi.
Otherwise, the TL looks okay to me.

>>20814783
>>和了やめ　あり(トップがオーラスに上がるか聴牌すると自動的にゲーム終了）
>Game automatically ends if dealer is in first on the last round.
To clarify, this is the same rule that Tenhou has. If the dealer of the last round wins, or is tenpai at the end of the round, and the dealer has the more points than the other players, then the game ends there.

Some other rulesets have either forced renchan (dealer must continue even if they're top) or optional renchan (dealer can choose whether to continue or end if they're top).

>>大明槓の嶺上開花はツモあつかい。
This one isn't referring to sekinin barai. It's just that if you do a daiminkan and win with rinshan, it's treated as a tsumo (for fu calculation purposes, I assume).

>>四暗刻単騎待ち、九連宝燈九面待ち、国士１３面待ち、大四喜はＷ役満扱い
This one isn't sekinin barai either. It just says that these hands will score double yakuman.

>>20813420
I feel sorry for your parents, your mum specifically, to have given birth to such a scrub.

>>20814783
>Mattari Mahjong
What is this Mattari mahjong?

>>20813420
Post your games, and we'll see how bad you really are.

>>20816730
What is google?

>>20813420
just watch a dozen pro games and you'll realize that crazy things happen every day in mahjong. 1 tile winning vs 5 tiles (riichi duel), etc. everything is possible

or things like this: https://youtu.be/GLgk1XtEi0M

>>20817253
>https://youtu.be/GLgk1XtEi0M
>88000
What?

>>20817683
spotted the EOP

>>20813420
I do wonder sometimes why riichi ippatsu tsumo/ippatsu in general seems to be so common for everyone but me, but I don't really care too much.

>>20815816
t. discord chinksoul squad

>>20819600
except you know, you can record your own stats in tenhou and save your replays to see what went wrong

>>20815807
>>20815816
Much appreciated, anons!
>>20816730
>What is this Mattari mahjong?
A bot that supposedly plays at a pretty high level and comes with its own standalone client. It's got a couple of nifty features, like the ability to play duplicate games and see how well the computer does compared to you. At the very least, it's a bot that is guaranteed not to cheat against you.

Do any of you actually play irl? Or just online?

>>20820888
There's no riichi button or auto-ron button irl, so no.

>>20820888
I would if I could find somebody that even knows that it's not a matching game they play on their phone.

>>20820888
yeah I play IRL as much as I can guaranteed fun but a pain to get 4 players

>>20821568
I've only played with two players which really isn't quite the same, I know a couple people who play but they don't know each other or live near each other

>>20821206
>>20821568
>>20822454
Where do you live?

>>20822878
MA

>>20820888
We've actually got a pretty big club for it at my school, they're always playing in the halls and shit, but it's all first generation Chinese and I'm too intimidated to join. Plus I don't feel like learning their weird-ass version.

>>20793224
>https://abema.tv/now-on-air/mahjong
Is this stream just never active or do I actually need Chrome like the popup says?

>>20822994
You need VPN

>>20823014
Seriously?

>>20820888
I have a set, but I don't have anyone to play it with. Tried to teach my parents, but we only got up to 7 tiles 2 suits (the "tibet rules")
>>20823172
it's how the nips roll

I play with people but sometimes there's nobody but me as the 4th and sure thing they wish I'd play better but it can't be helped. They break wall faster than I count one two three-, they count fuus faster, sometimes I get chombo'd because I missed one potential ron after I riichi due to complex wait and all that jazz.

Have any of you ever seen ura dora on Tenhou? I have never once got any or seen anyone else get any. I'm starting to think they don't exist on Tenhou.

>>20823172
If you don't already have one please vacate /jp/

>>20824086
>I get chombo'd because I missed one potential ron after I riichi
Not chombo in most places anon (as long as you aren't claiming immediately after on something)

>>20824520
I get them daily. Looks like you chose the wrong name.

>>20824670
Temporary furiten applies only if the player didn't declare riichi. If you pass on a winning tile after declaring riichi, you're stuck in (permanent) furiten and you can no longer ron.

>>20820888
Played a couple of times, but not with the Japanese/riichi rules. Pretty annoying to have to deal with those flower tiles.

One nice thing about playing online is not having to worry about building the wall and whatnot. Riichi button and auto-win/no-call options on Tenhou are pretty nice too, although they also feel like crutches and make IRL playing harder.

>>20825092
>One nice thing about playing online
Also I still can't score properly and am afraid that would annoy people IRL

>>20820888
I exclusively play IRL, my autism likes the tactile feedback too much

I came here to laugh at me.

>>20820888
I play it pretty often IRL, I even take part in tournaments, but yeah it's hard to find people to play if you aren't part of some mahjong club.

Would you play a chombo enabled client? This means your screen would be cluttered with riichi and tsumo buttons all the damn time. Like in the bamboo game.

>>20826204
Loads of people don't know how to score in real games. Maybe those who go to tournaments know but even there you encounter a bunch of people that still need the score sheets.
Don't necessarily have to learn scores to play IRL but if you want to you can do it, it's a nice skill to have if you want to play with more strategy in your game because then you can aim for a minimum score you need to overtake a player without having to look at score sheets every round.
If you really want to avoid annoying people in real games, it's better to learn how to sort your hand and discard quickly. Slow players are really what's the most annoying as it drags the games and you end up spending 2h on a single game because every round is at least 10mn long. It's not wrong to spend a little bit of time if you got a hard decision to make (pure hand so it's complicated to make out the waits or enemy riichi when you don't have safe tiles for example), but when some guys spend 5s to discard a tile they just discarded 2 turns earlier or to discard a useless terminal/honor tile, it adds up to a few minutes every round and to half an hour every game. And if you get a few dealers repeats/exhaustive draws, it can take 2h30.
In my club I played a single game that literally lasted 3 hours, that was mental. And it's not like they were new to the game although they aren't competitive for the majority of them, it's still a waste when we could have played 2 games in the time it took us to play one.

>>20823615
>it's how the nips roll
It's like they're Jews

Are there any Mahjong games for the Nintendo Switch you would recommend?

>>20827288
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0rlakA1Uzo

>>20827251
Yeah I can play fast, I easily keep up with Mahjong Fight Club which is probably way faster than most real people play. Also I know the rough value of my hands, just not the exact number.

>>20827281
If you would be one of those you'd like homogeneous one language easy internets for information war purposes, and they do exactly the opposite.
>>20827158
Chombo without dead hands make no sense.

>>20827158
You could have a key to bring up all your calls like in Pro Mahjong Kiwame. Or just have set keys for it like arcade mahjong. I was actually thinking about getting or making a full mahjong controller.

>>20827302
Oh that's cool then.

One tip for calculating hand values is that for a particular han and fu count, it's value stays the same if you add one han AND halve the fu.
For example, the value of 2han40fu is the same as the value of 3han20fu.
Or, the value of 2han80fu is the same as the value of 3han40fu which is the same as the value of 4han20fu.
Or, the value of 1han50fu is the same as the value of 2han25.

So if you just learn the hand values for 20/25/30fu, which are the most common anyway, you can get the values for 40fu hands and for the rare times you get a 50 or 60 fu hand.
For 25fu hands, remember that you always get exactly 25fu for a seven pairs hand and it's the only hand that can give 25fu.
Just remember that since seven pairs is worth 2han, it starts at minimum 2han25fu and it's worth 1600, after that the value is doubled for each added han, so 3200 then 6400 and then mangan, etc. So you only have to memorize the 1600 value to get the next ones quickly.

When put like that it I feel it doesn't seem that hard so you can do it lad.

>>20822878
southern california

If you guys think Tenhou is kusoge, think again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd4V-8Rfmhg&t=58s

>>20828393
That pon of 2 chuns and a 5m was kino.

>>20827959
Isn't the PML nearby?

>>20827281
they are like Jews
only moreso...

>>20828440
no, that's northern California. socal has lapom in LA county which is a dojo with auto tables, and I play in a casual club in Orange county. we get 4 to 8 players per week typically

>>20828777
I thought PML had a southern group as well but eh I dunno, I'm not American. 4-8 people every week is still pretty good.

What to discard?
>http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2019021418gm-0089-0000-175a6e10&tw=0
replay for the curious

>>20830084
it doesn't matter. you can't predict early riichi. just pray.

>>20830112
yeah, but there's still theory like "discard pairs first", isn't there? of course, praying is a must either way

>>20830168
Doesn't really matter. Your 9p could be a pair since you discarded one but look what that would get you.

>>20830084
Nope, there is nothing you can do to defend that early in the round. What I like to do is to is say fuck it and push kuitan nomi so I can block them from winning.

>>20830112
>>20830635
I thought about it some more, and it came to my mind that even if you can't predict it, there are still more and less dangerous tiles. If you take a tile like 4p, it can be the winning tile with the following "protoruns" (to use the dino's term): 23 (here this one is out since 1p was safe, but I'm talking generally), 35, 56, 44, 4, (and also more complex stuff with ankos like the less delicious version of the sandwich: 3335666, or nobetan 4567, etc.). Compared to this, 9p has these protoruns: 78, 99, 9 (I could mention nobetan and complex stuff here as well, but there are less of the complex combinations too). Since that tile is a wait for less "protoruns", it is statistically less dangerous. I've also read that 70-80% of riichis are ryanmen/shanpon with a jihai/jihai tanki (of course it's mentioned that this changes a bit depending on the turn, but it's the only stat I know in connection to this. So no-suji 9p is inherently less dangerous.

Add to this the fact that two of 8p is visible -> 78 is two tiles less likely to exist. (and I guess the fact that I discarded 9p once already makes it less likely for it to be a tanki or shanpon) This is why I discarded 9p.

Even if it comes down to a dice roll and praying, there's still a difference (even if miniscule at times) between how many losing and non-losing sides that dice has.

>>20830687
Yeah, there's also the chance of tanyao with 9p if the tsumos and discards go favorably.

Either way, magical and unlikely stuff happen, like my comeback in south-3 and south-4, but that doesn't mean that we should say it doesn't matter which tile is discarded here (in my opinion).

>>20830710
Statistically speaking if you go by tile probability alone, sure. You have to add in their knowledge of the probability too. I've won a bunch of hands on this very scenario where I riichi on a tile that is likely to come out due to a perceived low probability.

>>20830773
yeah, I've had situations like that, even in this game I think I riichied a nakasuji 6p tanki (sengenpai: 3p, I discarded 9p before), and kamicha gave it to me. I guess it would be useful to know the probabilities of such traps too, but I'd guess the base case is more common, and I'd still choose to judge based on it if there was so little information otherwise

>>20830816
Well it's not a case where you can really go wrong per se so anything that you think will help. It's a very long probability though because having just one tile out of four is all they need regardless of where the other three are. The only thing that really changes between them being in the wall or in somebody elses hand is the fact that you know about them. You could end up in the same situation but with somebody else having those 8p and it'll still be the same probability but you won't know about it.

>>20830835
Of course it's the same probability in general if someone else has the 8p, but the context here is choosing a discard. The only probabilities that matter here are the ones that you can know of. I'm not sure what you mean by "long probability".

They only need one tile, but as long as you see two of those tiles, it's half as likely that they will have one. You can imagine a hypothetical scenario in which you put two 8ps in your pocket and have the other players draw from the pile that way. The probability that they draw one of the remaining 8ps is 2/134. If you put them back, it's 4/136. So you can see that unless someone cheats, if you see two of a tile, then the others are half as likely to have one of that tile, than they are to have a tile that you see 0 of.

The calculation could be refined, and if you continue not seeing the 8p then every turn the probability that kamicha has one increases. This is because the chance that kamicha has an 8p from the point of view of 私 equals: all the combinations in which kamicha has an 8p divided by all the possible combinations of tiles kamicha might have in their hand (which is narrowed down even more by the fact that we know they are in tenpai; I'm not sure how many tenpai combinations are possible with the unseen 96 tiles, but this is something a computer could calculate). All the tiles that are face down in the wall and the opponents' closed tiles: this is the unknown part, 8p can be anywhere here. All the tiles in the discard pile, in the player's hand, the dora indicator, called tiles: this is the known information. You can calculate the probability of kamicha having 8p with the information at your disposal, and use this information to decide what to discard. This is the difference between probabilities you see and probabilities you don't see.

>>20817253
Things pros do that confuse me.
They pickup single dragons late into the hand? Why?
Also they clearly play defensively much more than even the most conservative of us. I guess their livehood depends on it.

>>20831163
the pick up single dragons because they have a dragon fetish (just look at how popular that bowser-peach thing got)

jokes aside, they most often do it for defensive purposes. the dragon is seemingly safe, if there are 1-2-3 of it already discarded (its safeness increases depending on how many you see), but even if it's a shonpai (only the one in your hand visible), it's still safer than even a terminal tile, as honor tiles can only build vertically, not horizontally. but if their hand is not so good (i.e. slower than their opponents, cheaper than their opponents, etc.) they will not discard a potentially dangerous shonpai sangenpai, as it could be ponned, helping the opponent, or even ronned

pros constantly think about defense, which tiles are genbutsu for who, etc. they can't win without not losing first. it also depends on the ruleset though. if you watch an M-league recording, you will see many pros pushing aggressively, because the reward for 1st place is huge. compared to this, tenhou places emphasis on avoiding last place, so we should be even more conservative than those pros. our mental health depends on it.

>>20831011
>They only need one tile, but as long as you see two of those tiles, it's half as likely that they will have one.

This is only partly true. For example if you mark a specific 8p, the chance of getting that exact 8p will never change no matter who has the other three. So in reality it's not 2/134 its two independent shots at 1/134.

>>20831398
That's true, but I don't see how it's relevant.

>>20831474
Because the wall is already stacked. The tile you'll get at any time is what it is, it's not rolled randomly at that time. So they 8p they would have gotten is a specific 8p independent of any other 8p unless you actually reshuffle the wall.

>>20830084
You're like sanshanten so I wouldn't go for winning that hand even though there are no safe tiles. Gotta defend against that dealer riichi by discarding tiles that may be slightly safer than others, in my opinion, in the hope that you draw safer tiles in the following rounds or that the dealer discards tiles you can match.
With that said, I'd discard 6m at least it's half suji and then if it passes 3m is suji.
And then 4p because it's half suji too.
Even though suji is not as reliable against a riichi this fast much less half suji, but it's all we have.

Post your best hand.
Just got this today.

>>20832199
That's some really windy bamboo forest.

>>20832199
this is the most flashy one, but even a 1000 point kuitan can feel like the best if it turns the game, grabs a million dollars worth of riichi sticks, ends the oya of your rival, etc.

>>20832199
I lost my early yakuman folder I'll have to see if I can retrieve it and I haven't got yakuman since but I have a bunch of cool shit.

>>20832361
Feels good scoring sandoukou.

>>20832390
Ok last screen.
RIP my only chance.

>>20832199
Got this one quite a long time ago. 2 Kan Rinshan, I'll post the replay since it can't really be shown through an image.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017120611gm-0009-0000-bf8d2ce6&tw=2

>>20832458
I once got a rinshan like this in West3 round. I don't really roll kans but I was pretty desperate.

>>20832199
A long time ago.

>>20832689
I can't help myself with calling Kan when I'm in Tenpai, even if sometimes its not exactly the right move to make.

In Tenhou, what does a red score mean? Player disconnected?

>>20833542
yes

>>20824659
I don't know man, I've never had a reason to get one
I also kind of figured this place would instaban you for using one since people can use them to evade
I'll look into it though, I want to watch nips play

>>20833639
What? VPNs, proxies and all that are a part of goddamn anonymous culture, you can use the paid ones no problem. It's just if you found a free vpn it's most likely already banned here because somebody already used it to shitpost on one of the dumpster boards, same as a whole lot of public wifi hot spots are banned from posting here due to abuse. For some reason though those free vpns are perfectly fine to watch Japanese tv or even play on Tenhou if you are into that sort of ip conspiracy stuff.

>>20825092
We are talking about Riichi, but thanks for the input

>>20835625
So is he

>>20828393
wat

>>20830710
>>20830687
>>20830773
Please go read even the basic Riichi guides in the paste bin, this is basic defense.

>>20832199
Man, it's been almost 7 years now.

>>20832361
>>20832390
>>20832404
Are these seriously some of your "best" hands?

>>20835629
>only if the player didn't declare riichi
And he is wrong about the tile passing in Riichi. Just like with Chombo it depends on where you play.

>>20835778
What? No, that's exactly how furiten works with regard to riichi. If you pass up a win after declaring riichi, you're in permanent furiten. I've never seen any ruleset used by anyone ever in which this is not the case.

Now, whether it's a chombo or a dead hand or what the exact penalty is, that's what might differ from place to place, but I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that if you reveal your tiles for an invalid win, that's a chombo. Some rules may have it as a dead hand if you negate your ron call before you reveal your tiles (e.g. "Ron! Wait, no"), but once you reveal your tiles there's a lot less room for debate.

>>20835778
http://arcturus.su/wiki/Takame_and_yasume
>Cases involving choosing riichi or using damaten provide interesting scenarios. Using damaten, players retain the ability to be selective of particular tiles to win. A player can simply decline yasume tile(s), in order to wait for the takame tile(s). Those who call riichi may not have that option, as using the same tactic of declining winning tiles renders the hand in furiten. Such a decision may prove to be risky or rewarding.
Today anon learned riichi turns a genius into a commoner.

>>20835769
Since we explained what we thought, the least you could do is explain what exactly you mean.

>>20835909
Explanation: the guides provided in the pastebin provide very basic defence strategy which literally covers all the shit you've been discussing
Expect instead of doing all that discussing and thinking, you could have just read the guide...

If you want an explanation on defence then read the guide, it does a far better job then I could. Appreciate your response though anon <3

>>20835813
>>20835877
Ah I see the problem here. The initial discussion was about real world play, 99% of the time the ruleset in a parlour is not like you've read on the internet. In such places it would be good to read the whole reply chain and not chime in like an expert on topics you've literally learnt from the internet. Thanks.

Actually if you go watch any tournaments on youtube etc, you will also see play as I've described. It's not like you need to know Japanese to see this even.

>>20835956
I feel bad posting this. While your responses were condescending and wholly uneducated, in fact being wrong, I would like you guys to learn and improve.
If you have a little Jap skill, go check out some of the kindai mahjong tourney history from way back. In particular an interesting case was when Ara was accused of collusion for LEGALLY skipping on an opportunity while in Riichi.

>>20835974
>>20835956
Don't get too worked up. There is a lot of new players coming to the thread, and this is 4chan where everyone is an internet expert on everything. I'm sure they will learn on their own eventually, Mahjong is a slippery slope.

>>20835956
If you're such an expert, then please explain what you think the rule is if it's not what we've described, and show us at least one place that uses it, because I'm having trouble understanding the point you're trying to get across except "you're dumb and wrong".

>>20835979
I felt bad slagging on obvious Mahjong newfags, so I did provide an example here >>20835974
Either way I expect a shitpost in response because you plainly don't want to admit you're wrong and give up your internet PHD in Mahjong. But I'll do what >>20835978 suggested and take it easy. Have fun playing internet mahjong little anon

>>20836001
No, seriously, what's the point that you're trying to make? That passing up a win is legal and not a chombo? Nobody's arguing that and it baffles me to think that's the point of contention for you, so please, if I'm wrong, explain what you think the problem is.

>>20835778
>it depends on where you play
This is the sort of statement that is technically true but blind to context.

The very first post in the chain said "sometimes there's nobody but me as the 4th"; how likely is it that they're playing in a parlour, which should have no shortage of good players? If they're not playing in a parlour, would they be following typical jansou rules, or rules closer to what EMA/WRC/etc. use?

You're not wrong, and you make a good point that parlours have rules that are very different from what some of us are used to. I also don't see why you have to be so stuck up about it.

>>20835774
Like I said, I lost my yakuman folder can't you not read?
What do you mean by "best" anyway? Highest scoring? Most aesthetic?

>>20835953
I've already read pretty much all the guides out there, I just tend to forget things which aren't my own thoughts. I'm sure this has been covered but I literally don't remember it. Never really learned from just reading stuff. Sorry if that annoys you.

>>20835953
Everything I've said in the discussion is stuff that I've read elsewhere and makes sense. I wouldn't have typed it up if there weren't people who seemed to not understand it.

>>20836255
Not him but yeah I get you. I sometimes read strategy articles/watch strategy videos but only remember a few things from them. But even then it's good enough, every little bit helps to get better.
What I might do is reread/rewatch what I already saw so that I can remember a little bit more than previously.

>>20836767
Yeah I can do the stuff when I'm playing. I just can't tell you about it when I'm not playing.

>six-game rentai streak ended
>4th

this thread is the brainlets club of /jp/

>discards 2m

You may choose one. To ron.

>betaori as good as I can with my tiles
>get ryanpeikou

>>20837393
No ura?

>>20837548
No.

fucking tenhou is stressful. you get fourth in one game and then a million points and R are deducted, and it feels as if the victories before were all in vain

>>20839161
If your R is tanking fast you need more games. You won't lose more than 7 in one game once you reach the soft cap.

So theres a furry riichi mahjong game on android called Kemono Mahjong for like four bucks. I'm gonna see if it's any good. Will report back.

>>20839626
I'm already past 400 games, it's just that I'm inching closer to tokujou (and 五段) again and every little plus or minus excites me a bit more.

>be able to realize that oyariichi + two consecutive kans + million shanten hand = betaori
>ten turns later turn into a retard and think I'll just discard this one tile that I know is dangerous
I want off this ride.

>>20841691
>Will report back
Please don't

>>20837130
I only hope they never try to play in a Jansou. It's always funny seeing these obvious Tenhou players down here in Yokohama get raped.
I just hate scrolling through jaypee mahjong thread to see idiots getting proven wrong only to move the goal post, or imply they weren't arguing or never said something. Scroll up asshole!
These are the same people who probably deal in over and over online and refuse to learn their lesson. Not to mention being part of the Mongolian EoP horde trashing this board

>14411
made it to zero!

>>20843009
I don't necessarily fully agree with you, but I am getting tired of these tenhou champions that act like every other mahjong client as well as live play is inherently inferior to their client if choice.

when pressed on this issue it immediately turns into a Dan/R pissing match. I have enough stats to worry about at work, can I just enjoy a game that isn't a fucking betaori simulator?

>>20805133
Because it's fun to come up with extremely rare edge case rules to confuse new players

>>20820888
I looked into what the Dutch mahjong scene was like but it's only really old people

>>20843009
>EoP
>trashing this board
Dude. I don't even know English that well. Implying I wouldn't prefer this thread to be on /tg/ or even God forbid on /vg/, but it's obvious it won't survive there due to speed.

>>20842971
ok

>>20802317
I wanna knooow. Stop teasing already!

>>20845253
Sorry, I don't actually have such data

>>20837381
Mako Makorin

>>20837376
2600 vs 3900, 6 of 2 kinds vs 4 of 1 kind
both tsumo are 5200
25m has chances for akadora and 6p has a slightly higher chances for any uradora

Imagine a super woke reading of a 7s tedashi by kamicha indicating dora 2, making player-san go 2m dama. (Just 9p sokurii this crap)

So why are you poasting this?

>>20845001
>Implying I wouldn't prefer this thread to be on /tg/ or even God forbid on /vg/
I would give anything for this thread to move to /tg/.
I just want to talk about mahjong, not get into a pissing match about how many moon runes I can decipher.

>>20846394
you bastard

>>20846469
he went 2m dama

just witnessed this
(also if I wouldn't have riichied on a kan3p with 3 tiles visible, I would've got second)

>>20845190
Thank you,

>>20846664
You could move there

>>20848606
>You could move there
Would you come with me?

>>20849300
A-anon, w-we're not ready for that yet... go without me I promise I'll join you after I've found myself (here in the /jp/ mahjong thread). I-it's something I have to do for myself... sorry anon

>>20849384
Okay, fine. Be that way, anon!
I guess I finally understand the meaning behind all those wise mahjong sayings when the pros would say things like
>"When the OKA is down, you get to see who your friends really are."
>"Trust everyone, but always cut the TILES."
>"TENBO won is twice as sweet as TENBO earned."
>"No matter how much you may want to think of MAHJONG as a TILE game played by the JAPANESE, in many respects it is even more valid to think of it as a game about the JAPANESE that happens to be played with TILES."

>>20849469
maybe the real yakuman was the friends we made along the way

Anyone know of a good android version? Preferably AI to learn the terminology.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.MedullaStudios.Maljong&hl=en_US
This one seems interesting but it looks abandoned and the layout looks shit.

I bought one for like 3 bucks a couple of years ago but it stopped showing the tiles...

>>20843813

Try playing 3P. You're inferior to everyone.

But I think the problem is other clients like SegaMJ or Majsoul aren't viewed as "competitive" enough (even though mahjong is inherently competitive), probably because high-level riichi players would rather stick with Tenhou, or they're too flashy and vulgar and attract a more "casual" kind of player in the first place. Sometimes people just want to fuck around and I guess it rubs them the wrong way.

can someone give me luck please? my starting hand and draws are always beyond dogshit. Not losing is easy but winning is just impossible.

>>20849942
I get that a lot too. Getting to expensive tenpais only for some ryanshanten faggot to catch up and ippatsu tsumo their penchan shit worth ten pennies. I just tell myself, as long as I keep playing solid, I'll get better tsumos some time in the future.

>331244123
sad day

>>20849942
Well if you believe in luck might as well go do some chaotic good shit and see if your static changes.

Such a sad thing that 2-3-4 year old mahjong books are already out of print. I would've been curious to read some of them.

So what's the best way to play 3 player mahjong? The two methods I've seen are removing one of the suits and the North tiles but I dont like that idea since it would screw up a bunch of yaku. The other method I've seen is to have a rotating dummy player who just discards randomly, which seems alright.

Is there any reason to not just play with three people? What is the purpose of the dummy player?

>>20851181
Probabilities are different I guess? You draw a lot more

>41443
Shouldn't have played today.

>>20851181
The best thing about sanma you can't chii at all. Then, tsumo costs less, minus the 4th share, and you can steal those norths for kokushi, and also the wall irl is 18 tiles long. It's not that bad

>>20850807
What books were you looking for?

/jp/ halp
>3:0

>>20851849
I'll tell you when I get home.

>win on my own kan draw on my first turn after declaring riichi as dealer
>ura dora beneath kan dora gives me another han
That was fucking cool. I love this game now

>>20851849
神速の麻雀
勝つための現代麻雀技術論
もっと勝つための現代麻雀技術論
天鳳 公式完全攻略読本
現代麻雀 押し引きの教科書 (this could be similar to his newer book 手作りと押し引きの鉄戦術 though)

all of these except the tenhou book were praised on most sites where I've seen them mentioned.

>>20853620
I've got most of those. 2 and 5 are particularly good. I also recommend Hirasawa Genki's books but his older ones might also be out of print by now.

Where have you been looking anyway, just Amazon? Try honto if you haven't already. Alternatively there may be ebook versions.

>>20853928
>I also recommend Hirasawa Genki's books but his older ones might also be out of print by now.
I've got more than one of his books on my wishlist. I just don't want to order another batch until I finish the ones I already have. Which ones have you got?
>Where have you been looking anyway, just Amazon? Try honto if you haven't already. Alternatively there may be ebook versions.
I've ordered all my books on honto. What's sold out is sold out everywhere though, and there are no digital versions as far as I can see. The only chances I see are: not buying the books or buying them used for basically the cost of a new book (or even more since I'll have to hunt them down one by one).

>>20853958
I've got around 45-50 books I think, I'll have to count when I get home. Haven't read them all though. Between work and anime and actually playing mahjong I've been too pressed for time, but my backlog of new releases has been growing so I also want to make another batch purchase soon.

>>20853981
That's nice. I hope I'll have a nice mahjong library too one day.

I have a question for you though. I've been reading 教えて科学する麻雀 and I'm at the part where the author explains the formula for 押し引き and then there are all the pretty graphs for the data on when to attack and when to defend (the thresholds). If I were to memorize all these numbers and played according to them, I'd already become pretty good, right? So how do the other 押し引き books differ from this approach? Are they completely different, or do they still use the same expected values and probabilities approach? Are they big case-by-case collections or do they present some other overarching framework?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uniah8hu7Mk

>>20853958
>>20853981
Actually scratch that, I only count 41 for now.

>>20854074
Fukuchi's push/pull books, while backed by data, are structured more around bite-sized principles such as "riichi with kanchan dora" or "when you're first place in south round, don't deal in just to make the game end faster". It's not just a numbers book that says things like "you need a hand worth at least 4500 with a good wait or 9000 with a bad wait in order to justify pushing against a dealer riichi". Both are important though. Does that help? If you have the page number for 教えて I can take a look, I'd just need to carefully pull it out from the middle of this precarious stack of books on my desk.

>>20854110
Yeah, so it's basically as I imagined it. Thanks.

It's the 4th chapter in my edition, pp. 81-105. But you don't necessarily have to check, it's basically what you said, presenting the numbers, and talking about the numbers.

>>20850807
Second hand books in Japan are all mint condition.

>>20854220
I know, I have plenty of second-hand manga on my shelf. The problem is that these are niche books, and there's less supply than for manga.

>>20854323
I usually have no trouble. Actually checking the book you listed I can find them all fresh.

>>20854363
Most (except the Tenhou one, I'm sensing a pattern) have insane prices (from two to ten times as much as the new book) on JP amazon, and I have only ordered used books from mandarake before. So if you have any suggested sites, I'd appreciate it if you told me about them. I also checked yahoo auctions, but they don't have most of them, and the ones that they do are priced similarly as on Amazon.

I really hesitated here. I went with riichi + 8m, but I'm thinking dama would've been OK too, since 5200 is confirmed, and that already seems good enough. What do you guys think?

>>20854743
I'd discard 2m and riichi. Waiting on 369m is just so much better than waiting on just 3m, and compared to discarding 8m you're giving up just 1 han (since discarding 2m also gets you pinfu).

>>20854775
but 2m is dora. it's -3han and +1han = minus two han.

>>20854788
Oh yeah, oops. I still think discarding 2m and going riichi is the best option though.

>>20854775
>>20854819
With that wait you'd also be more likely to get ippatsu. Sanshoku is sexy though.

>>20854905
Wouldn't hold my breath for ippatsu necessary but menzen does become a very real possibility with a three-sided wait.

>>20854743
In high level play I wouldn't expect the 3 to come out early if at all.
In this case it's better you guarantee the win by discarding 2. It's a really good trap and a nice wait.

>>20854743
Definitely 8m dama, I'd say. Riichi only increases tsumo value by 100 points unless you get uradora while making it far less likely for anyone to deal in.

2m, even with riichi, is just peanuts. 2000 ron or 2700 tsumo. Would be fine if you were ahead by a decent margin but you need the points here.

>>20854743
Either dama sanshoku dora or riichi pinfu 3 sided wait for me I'd say.

>111
good day

3 hanchan? you little baby. play some more

>>20820888
I play irl with my friends when we meet up.
There's 5 of us so even if one guy can't make it we can still play.

Do you not have friends anon?

>>20857307
My friends don't like mahjong

>>20857307
I have friends, they're just in Gensokyo. Once I join them there I'll have plenty of people to play with.

Two comically bad players in joukyuu in a row
There's a holiday or something in some asian country? Fucking free points

>>20858893
what's comically bad in joukyuu?

>>20859026
Chased iishanten 1000 points hands against riichi every time until he busted out

WWYD: How can you save this 8dan?

>>20860024
In a real game, 7p, since it's suji. But it's also suspect since there are no 8p down, so he could very possibly have a 68p sequence. And also since that's the most obvious answer that isn't it. I bet this is one of these trick questions where it looks like he's waiting on manzu.

>>20860024
Throwing the dora indicator is asking for trouble, 3s or 9m and hope it buys you another turn.

>getting my 1dan after 4 days of playing
someone praise me pls.

>>20860575
This

>>20860024
Fold and toss the 6s and then probably the other sou tiles. The rest looks too dangerous.

Recently I got Nagashi Mangan, but If I kept dragons I could get Daisangen

>>20862557
>If I kept dragons I could get Daisangen
Pair haku and chun means you'd call tiles, which may prevent you from drawing hatsu.

>>20793224
why is this chink game on /jp?
what's next? a tea thread?

>>20865368
personally I'm drinking some kind of loose leaf blend atm all out of black tea/green tea

>>20865368
there have been tea threads

>>20865368
Today I'm drinking a premium blend genmaicha. Brewing it at 80 F really brings out the nice grassy notes.

>get absolute shit all game
>3 sided wait loses to shit wait
>4th because everyone tsumos like crazy
>south 4, get ronned by dealer
>south 4 honba 1, pic related happen

is it the rumored heart of the tiles

I've just realised today that you can pinfu with valueless pair of winds.

>>20826775
lil' bit bett'r

>>20865368
>chink game
Do you live under a rock or something?

mine

>>20866035
An important realisation!

>>20865368
What a fucking retard you are.
I'm having oolong, by the way.

im drunssnk
drunk**
pls make a fool of me and offer commentary on my mahjong
my twitch is neetanonn
pls b nice

mahhjjoooonnnnggg

>don't play for two days
>can only get 4th now

maajan dekinaku nacchatta

Holy shit why is everyone so stupidly aggressive in joukyuu. I push and fold when I need to but somehow over 20 games these faggots have been beating me consistently even though they never defend. They throw down live doras against dealer riichi even if they are nowhere close to tenpai. And they get away with it. They call everything for no reason fucking up the drawing order and skipping my draws. Fuck.

>>20865368
Gotta say that matcha green tea is top tier and helps prevent cancer.

>>20871625
>when your dealer riichi isn't respected
>when one guy deals a no-suji tanyaohai on opponent's ippatsu turns (but betaori when you're the one in riichi)
>when some fag calls kan after an opponent's riichi and gives him 2 more dora on his tsumo win
>when some guy stays dama to win pinfu (tsumo) dora for no reason
I am sick of joukyuu too.

>when the disconnected player only deals into the other two players

>44433
what a wretched way to start the day

I don't really see many disconnecting people in joukyuu what am I doing wrong? Usually they fight till the very end. On the other hand, there are tons both in segamj and the second room in chinsoul.

>>20872317
I see people disconnect in round one because of bad internet/tenhou fucking them/etc in about 1/20 games maybe. "Ragequits" also have a similar frequency I think.

>>20793224
Well this game was decided in just two hands... I had to google what "Ikkitsuukan" even was

>>20872628
Don't feel bad for shimocha though, he completely deserved this one

>>20872628
>hiragana name
>translation addon
wtf

>>20872788
I can't read the yaku list fast enough without the translation addon

>>20872579
That's definitely more than I'm having. May it be because I'm playing during Euro evenings and so baka gaijins who got at least here treasure points or something?..

>>20873140
maybe, I play both in Japan-heavy and euro hours

>>20872628
>>20872803
What's the point then if you don't even know the name of the yaku

>>20873390
I know the names of the yaku, just not in kanji (at least not all of them fast enough to read in the short window of time after someone wins) and I didn't realize that ittsuu is formally called "ikkitsuukan"

>>20873400
It's pretty fucking obvious just by looking at the hand itself and the han value.

>>20873504
Dude, calm down. I can read nip and I'm not shitting all over the place. I swear it's always the fart-sniffing JPLT N5 faggots who are always ready to jump on EOPs because they just learned their 3 kanji or something.

>>20872258
>12131
at least it ended decently

Is there a way to play mahjong heads up with someone online? With bots taking the two other spots.

>>20873531
I'm not sure who's ready to jump on others here, but okay.

>>20873531
>Dude, calm down
Phew, projection. That was my only post on the matter. If the use of swear words to enunciate posts offends you then 4chan is an odd choice.

what the fuck is with all these rinshan kaihous. i didn't see any in my first year of playing but i've seen three this month alone

>>20873531
>calls others N5 faggots
>can't read a dozen words in about ten seconds

>>20873675
I can though. The whole point is there's literally no reason for English speakers to be able to read shit like 門前清自摸和 or 全帯幺九 in kanji. It just makes you look like a huge over-compensating fart-sniffing faggot who wants to flaunt off the 20 kanji they know. Actual Japanese speakers don't give a fuck if someone is using a translation for a tile matching game, N5-kun.

>>20873781
If you played enough you could recognize the kanji even if you don't speak any japanese. Though I guess you're new to the game.

>>20873400
>not all of them fast enough to read in the short window of time after someone wins
>>20873781
>I can though.
also there's nothing wrong with sniffing farts, get off your high horse. not to mention that you don't have to "know" the kanji to read the yaku names.

>>20873877
You're speaking to 2 different people you fucking idiot

>>20873793
>>20873877
The point is trying to act superior when you are actually a fucking pleb makes you look like a joke.
Like a 2-dan thinking they know better than a tokujou player.

>>20873993
Two different guys.

>>20873993
Anon you're arguing to 2 different people thinking they're the same person and posting xkcd comics at them... You're the real idiot in this scenario

>>20873998
>>20874010
Point out where I said you were the same person.

>>20874026
Point out on the doll where anon hurt you.

you must have an inferiority complex or something if you need to spend 10 posts explaining how "you know nip" and how everyone else who can read the yaku names at a glance is a "fart-sniffing faggot".

>>20874035
you must have an inferiority complex if you need to shit on people for using a translation so they don't have to expend unnecessary effort trying to parse the yaku list in the 10 seconds you're given

>>20874035
Way to miss the point. They shit on the guy for using the translation. In fact it's not really even a translation because they still keep the original Japanese names, not like the retarded EMA ones. They don't know how to read Japanese in the first place so it's unwarranted. That's all I was saying but everyone's ego got hurt because they think they're special for recognizing 5 kanji, well done I guess.

N-N5 retard, HA!

hai hai, one week until february ends, how did your games go?

My whole family has been learning mahjong together for the past week. My mother went from last to first place in the very last hand of the game with a full flush straight. Proud of her. Should note that the 1 of that bottom chi was the winning tile. I know this isnt actually anything that special but it was pretty neat for us as beginners.

>>20875117
Your mom is a smart girl

>>20875117
mom's first daigyakuten *snappu*

>>20875117
In manzu no less.

I'm down to 6200 points and I haven't dealt in once
Great fucking game

>>20877617
Forgot to mention it's only South 1

>>20877617
Tsumo-ing needs to be patched out already.

>>20877892
Sanma tsumo payments exist :^)

>>20876513
You chose wrong

>>20813420
I had 3 games in a row where I'm stuck at 3rd place cause the "designated winner" kept getting very fast hands with 4han minimum. One kept sitting on his dealer set for 5 rounds over and just goes ざわ ざわ when he declared riichi and tsumo every one of them. Anyone that tried to challenged gets ripped apart beyond salvation. Defended well enough to this bullshit but it is frustrating not to have luck on your side.

>>20793224
>3:0

>>20875117
That's neat anon, sounds fun
I've still been struggling to get enough people into the game to get a full game going irl

>>20862557
What set is that?

>>20881645
Yeah for now it's just been my family and occasionally my neighbors but now that I feel like I fully understand the rules and have some experience teaching people how to play I'm going to see if I can get a local group going. Next time I teach new players I'm going to explain to them the concept of yakus immediately and not later. Not explaining them first is a huge mistake. It took forever to get my parents to understand that you didn't need a set of dragons to be able to call pon or chi.

Mahjong tiles are neat
I like this game

>>20865368
these things already look like food

How can you stand this boring game?

>>20884863
By not being a boring person

>>20884863
t. Fortnite kiddo

doraneko

>>20879581
I've had that too recently.
>3 games in a row where 1st place is over 70k
It's just never me.

>>20875117
>mahjong with family
Wholesome as fuck. Wish I have someone to play with outside of tenhou.

>>20820888
I have my set, but no friends.

Which Yakuza game has the best mahjong minigame?

>>20886027
What do you mean by best? Kiwami 2 and 6 have English numbers, other than that there's not much difference.
Maybe 0 since it's so easy to get money.

>>20886027
5 has the king of mahjong hidden miniquest. the ai are pretty tough but the rewards are good

>>20885121
look around your area. there's folks that are either playing already or willing to learn

>tfw playing without even looking at my opponents' discards
I can't believe the rest of the faggots are even worse than me.

>>20886417
>mahjong
>even bothering to so much as glance at the discards before the first riichi
Most waits are just for two pieces. Odds of me throwing down the winning piece are too low for me to bother. Might as well push for my 1han30fu masterpiece.

>>20886417
Just pray you don't run into shit like this.

>>20888866
tenpai sokuri~