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Just finished the main quest of elona + , Anyone got any suggestions on what to do now? Ive been eying up the void but I cant be bothered to grind 400 or so levels of weak enemies till I face a challenge.

>>20509989
Just do what I do and dominate a group of necro dancers to grind dosh and music tickets.

>>20509989
grind up casting / get lots of scrolls of wonder and learn to hardcast wish.

summon inner gods into parties and sandbag them. with a high enough number (~30, maybe?) you'll get a huge number of music tickets that more than offsets the cost of wishes.

use the music tickets to get luck up to 2000. craft the ultimate armor / weapon set. also figure out the best way to make money out of a ranch (not that you need it, but FOR SCIENCE).

are scrolls of contingency supposed to be this mythical nonexistent item? i have honest to god never seen one in my 200+ hours playing

What order should I worship the gods? I'm a farmer.

>>20510798
Kumi,forever and ever

>>20510818
Well who should I start with? What about getting god gifts and pets?

>>20510829
I mean,are you gonna make use of them? i simply go opatos for waifu golden knight and his awesome 10 speed boots then switch to kumi forever

maybe ehekatl dagger if you want fishing and protection vs thieves,or yacatect platinum magic conch

>>20510841
Yeah, sounds like a good place to start. OK, thanks.

Does anyone have any idea how many monsters scale to high levels in Omake Overhaul? it seems that the wiki has no information on enemy level scaling at all. I want to know if there's a decent amount of monsters that do so or if it's just a few.

>>20510450
How many scrolls does it take for you guys? I've probably burned through 800+ blessed scrolls and still no wish. On the subject of weird rng, I never managed to find a treasure of innocence despite slaughtering gwen (gave up after ~250 to move on to part 2), I've never had a yellow king drop his speed item, I've picked up 2 or 3 secret exp from killing what must be fifteen hundred fairies, and some more I'm forgetting. I hope I get lucky with a random void boss gwen loli, I want to get that sweet reddit karma up and enforce my justice even harder.

Naplus is cute and everyone should Pen her! Everyone should guard her while she does her best to mix dangerous potions at high speed! Everyone should force feed her puff puff bread to playfully bully her!

>>20509779
Sauce on that curly pcc pls

>>20511446
Do you savescum or reload your game often? The rare loot trigger is the only explanation I can come up with for your luck with rng.

>>20509779
Some of this is outdated.

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29851

>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.85.5
Elona+ Custom-G 1.85.5.1

>>20511639

>>20513164
Finally
Thank you

So the link to a download of the game is kinda 404'd. Sorry if I'm doing it wrong or something. I'm kinda stumped on how to fix that if I can't even get the game in the first place.

>>20514790
Maybe the OP should start linking to BloodyShade's repository. Either that, or someone edit the pastebin so that it only uses links that won't expire after a couple weeks.

Anatomy + Cooking + Paperwork Barbecue Set = $$$
Just remember to invest in shops so that they don't run out of money so fast.
Currently have Anatomy and Cooking at lvl 27 and 38 respectively. Rank 9 corpses sell for 4-5k, average rank is ~6 and avg. selling price is 2k each. You can probably sell for 10k+ in a custom food shop (as long as the food doesn't rot).

>>20512061
Nope, if I do occasionally savescum I make sure not to do any useful random chance stuff for a while.

Mmm...

>>20511137
Normal enemies aren't level scaled. Any normal enemy type can potentially be a demigod (3x level) or elder ancestor (5x level) or whatever. An elder ancestor of spiral king should be as high as a normal enemy can go, at level 325. Nefia bosses, void bosses, and all enemies in maneater nefia all scale up indefinitely.

>>20510450
Any tips on how to actually achieve that many wonder scrolls? I had a set up with 2 magic merchants (No more seem to spawn in my recruit an Npc list) but 20 irl minutes yielded less than 150 scrolls.
Both vendors are rank 250 ish

Why exactly does a prostitute need gene engineering?

>>20517631
Change their names and more should appear on your board,they wont spawn if the game picks merchants with same names

Is there any benefit to using mixed feed
on ranch animals whatsoever? I mean, if they weigh more their corpses weigh more, right? but it's PITA to make and heavy corpses aren't actually worth all that much, considering you need to feed the animals several times over a long period of time...

>>20518022
gotta make use of the aborted fetuses somehow.

I just started a new char after playing Elona+ years ago, this time with a predator. How do I go about increasing my mana? I wanna buff myself and cast ball spells with my predator.

>>20518701
I think spells are more of an act 2+ thing. At the start there are simply too many things to get set up, and spells are real slow to get powerful. Better way is to start with either a gun or dual wield, then convert to spells later.

Also, give consideration to using magic device as primary DPS, with casting only for buffs. it's probably better in the long run.

Does +e+c-g rollback the change that makes the cute fairy only give seeds once every sleep?

>>20518701
Your MP is based on your magic, will, learning, mana, and level, with will and learning being relatively unimportant. So to get more MP you should
1: Level up
2: Raise your magic stat (by casting spells)
3: Eat magic fruit

>>20518929
I don't know, hit the wiki and see http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>>20516892
That's some cheap lump of roasted ass.

>>20518929
Hmm...
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.60_-_1.69#1.67fix
>Increased the number of seeds that the cute fairy pukes out but limited it to once a day.
I dunno, sounds like it was made easier to get seeds instead of harder.

>>20518998
I was hoping to do the "Fetter of Earth in a portable shelter" trick to get all the seeds I could possibly want, but it doesn't seem to be worth it if the Fairy only gives seeds once a day instead of every time it gets hungry. Anyone know the relative number of seeds the cute fairy gave before and after the patches off hand?

>>20519021
search source for
>if ( nutrition >= 4000 ) {

This game is a pain in the ass without a number pad.

has anyone noticed that the intermediate gods (sinaha, amurdad, etc) now all have a power-up mode when their health is low? they're pretty bullshit and makes them much more powerful than an equivalent mook of god race at same level. Is it possible to get the special actions that trigger those in custom AI?

>>20519208
I play mine on a 11 inch laptop and it works just fine. you just need to set up the right hand side of the laptop to be the directional keys.

Just updated everything to 1.85.4.1 custom-g and sp cost for cooking are through the room again. What gives?

>>20518022
A real prostitute is always ready to engineer new body parts to suit their client's needs.

>>20519464
It's complety ignoring my controls no matter what I do in the config. the number lock doesn't even work.

>>20520332
you need to turn off the numlock. bind key_north etc to the letter keys directly. also you may need to tweak the walking delay to make it all work. the whole system is kinda dodgy but it's possible to make it work.

>>20520482
I had tried that before I tried number lock, I guess I'll just have to dick around with it until it works.

>>20520498
alternatively, you can get an USB numpad off ebay.

protip: go to elona/sound and replace Heart1.wav with a copy of dead1.wav. This way you get an actual warning when your health is low.

>>20519507
>copy over new constant names for skill values
>accidentally copy over old SP costs
Custom-G 1.85.5.2 is now available.

>>20519065
I found that after fighting with the compiler (Kept wanting to stop responding whenever I searched for that) but I don't know how to take off the one activation every 24 hour limit. I r a dum

>>20519065
Line 188232 is where the cute fairy unique skill starts, if anyone was curious.

>>20523691
>I don't know how to take off the one activation every 24 hour limit.
Looks like it's got four if statements: if it's a Cute Fairy, if it's got a good relation with you, if its nutrition value is high enough, and if it has a character bitflag. You could change the bitflag check to "if (1)" or something.

>>20523733
This line?

if ( cbit(CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc) != 0 ) {

Change to

if ( cbit(CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc) != 1 ) {
?

>>20523768
That'd mean you could only get seeds if you'd already gotten them that day. It's supposed to be a Cute Fairy, not a Catch-22 Fairy.
I meant something like "if ( 1 != 0 ) {".

>>20523800
Like I said. I r a dum. I tried to get into coding/programming/whatever the fuck you wanna call it, but it just kind of fell flat due to outside factors.

SO, just to clarify. You mean to make the statment code as thus:

if ( cbit(CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc) != 0 ) {
if ( 1!= 0) {

or am I getting that wrong again?

>>20523768
Look to the tail end of the statement, not the front. If there isn't anything, it might be the skill itself that's been changed to have a conditional so that as long as the limits aren't met, it can't activate again.

>>20523827
You've got it. You want to get seeds every time instead of only once per day, so you replace the "character has daily seeds available" check with a "1 is not 0" check.

Okay, so I have the code set up like this

if ( cbit(CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc) != 0 ) {
if ( 1 != 0 ) {

But when I try to compile it, it won't let me compile. Gives me a long list of skills and stuff, then tells me at the very end that there is an error 19. Specifically it says this

source.hsp(463612) : error 19 : ’v–½“I‚ȃGƒ[‚Å‚· (463612s–Ú)

And then afaict it doesn't compile. I am using hsp34a, using hsed4.exe like it says in the screenshot

What do bros.

>>20523941
Wait, are you literally adding a second if statement instead of replacing the original one?

>>20524044
Uh... maybe? I guess I'm not supposed to do that. I could probably do it like so:

if ( cbit(CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc) 1 != 0 ) {

?

>>20523941
I think you're misunderstanding the intention of the code. Right now it checks for whether the charge has never been used, But anon wants you to change it so that it will always return true, hence the 1 not equal to 0 code. If you have both statements in there it won't work, since the latter code won't run.

>>20524065
Yeah, I feel like I'm giving him conniptions with my lack of coding knowledge and probably retarded questions. But hey, I'd rather learn a bit of how to manipulate the code so I don't have to go "What does X do and how do I change it?" constantly.

>>20524087
Ah, it's no problem. Taking the initiative to try and mess around with the code and compile it is more than most people'd do, so I don't mind answering your questions.
Anyway, yeah, you want the entire line to just be "if ( 1 != 0 ) {", removing the cbit stuff outright.

>>20524142
Ah. I get it. I can see how my previous post could send mixed messages to both of us. I'll go test the code now, see if the fairy gives seeds out the wazoo now. I'll post my findings.

>>20524021
Either save it for a boss or keep it as a trophy item. Eternal force is generally just a gimmick, but rare enough that you'll likely never find another one.

>>20518027
thanks anon, worked brilliantly. off to farm,

>>20524142
Hmm, that didn't work out. Fairy ate all the high quality breads and noodles I could stuff down her little gullet and she only spat seeds up once over a 2 day period.

There is this bit after the list of different factors for the seeds that she coughs up

cbitmod CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc, 0

Should I just delete that, or what?

Or should I just put the 0 up to a ridiculous number so I don't have to worry about it? like, 99999 or something charges a day?

Here's the code for the fairy seed skill that I edited to no effect as far as I can tell

if ( cdata(CDATA_ID, cc) == CREATURE_ID_CUTE_FAIRY ) {
if ( cdata(CDATA_RELATION, cc) == 10 ) {
if ( nutrition >= 4000 ) {
if ( 1 != 0 ) {
cibk = ci
flt
itemcreate -1, ITEM_ID_VEGETABLE_SEED, cdata(CDATA_X, cc), cdata(CDATA_Y, cc), 2
inv(INV_ITEM_STATUS, ci) = ITEM_STATUS_NORMAL
if ( gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 9 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 19 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 29 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 3 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 13 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 23 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 30 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 6 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 16 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 26 ) {
flt
itemcreate -1, ITEM_ID_MAGICAL_SEED, cdata(CDATA_X, cc), cdata(CDATA_Y, cc), 0
inv(INV_ITEM_STATUS, ci) = ITEM_STATUS_NORMAL
}
else {
flt
itemcreate -1, ITEM_ID_FRUIT_SEED, cdata(CDATA_X, cc), cdata(CDATA_Y, cc), 2
inv(INV_ITEM_STATUS, ci) = ITEM_STATUS_NORMAL
}
if ( gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 9 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 19 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 29 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 3 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 13 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 23 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 30 ) {
flt

flt
itemcreate -1, ITEM_ID_HERB_SEED, cdata(CDATA_X, cc), cdata(CDATA_Y, cc), 0
inv(INV_ITEM_STATUS, ci) = ITEM_STATUS_NORMAL
}
else {
flt
itemcreate -1, ITEM_ID_GEM_SEED, cdata(CDATA_X, cc), cdata(CDATA_Y, cc), 2
inv(INV_ITEM_STATUS, ci) = ITEM_STATUS_NORMAL
}
cbitmod CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc, 0
txtef COLOR_SKY_BLUE
txtmore
txt lang("u‚°‚Ó‚£v" + name(cc) + "‚ÍŽí‚ð“f‚«o‚µ‚½B", "uUgh-Ughuv " + name(cc) + " spews up " + itemname(ci, 1) + ".")
ci = cibk

Whats the most possible limbs a mutant can have? I remember ages ago hearing a method where a mutant would use a pet to skip through act 1 entirely, and then speak to Dr Gavela? To reach an abnormal amount of limbs at level 1. Anyone confirm if this is possible?

>>20525019
27
see http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:10797

Hmm, I've tried deleting this part of the code

cbitmod CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc, 0
after tried turning this part of the code

if ( cbit(CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc) != 0 ) {

Into this

if ( 1 != 0 ) {

And when that didn't work I tried this

if ( cbit(CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc) 1 != 0 ) {

And none of that seems to work on getting rid of the timer for the fairy seed skill. I seem to be retarded, but it's surprisingly fun trying to try and figure out how the fuck the code strings together and how to make it into what I desire.

Do you guys have an Elona Discord?

At least i can still gloat i have a skeleton key as its matter of time before it gets added to the tickets shop

>>20525127
That first line should have done it, did you delete the one for the goose instead?

>>20525383
I've never seen one. Do they spawn on a specific NPC type, like thieves? Why are they so damn rare?

>>20526689
Your best bet for finding a skeleton key is to trade an adventurer for one.

>>20526689
Random spawn artifacts like the Key and the XSG are basically items that you pray to the RNG God for and hope you get eventually.

>>20526434
I assure you, I was meticulous about making sure I was on the right line. It didn't work, for some reason. How about I paste my modded source code and you see if it works? I'm working with the base sourcecode, not the gsource, to be specific. The pic didn't seem to imply that I needed to work specifically with the gsource code, since it piggybacked off the source code itself to me.

if ( cdata(CDATA_ID, cc) == CREATURE_ID_CUTE_FAIRY ) {
if ( cdata(CDATA_RELATION, cc) == 10 ) {
if ( nutrition >= 4000 ) {
if ( 1 != 0 ) {
cibk = ci
flt
itemcreate -1, ITEM_ID_VEGETABLE_SEED, cdata(CDATA_X, cc), cdata(CDATA_Y, cc), 2
inv(INV_ITEM_STATUS, ci) = ITEM_STATUS_NORMAL
if ( gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 9 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 19 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 29 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 3 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 13 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 23 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 30 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 6 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 16 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 26 ) {
flt
itemcreate -1, ITEM_ID_MAGICAL_SEED, cdata(CDATA_X, cc), cdata(CDATA_Y, cc), 0
inv(INV_ITEM_STATUS, ci) = ITEM_STATUS_NORMAL
}
else {
flt
itemcreate -1, ITEM_ID_FRUIT_SEED, cdata(CDATA_X, cc), cdata(CDATA_Y, cc), 2
inv(INV_ITEM_STATUS, ci) = ITEM_STATUS_NORMAL
}
if ( gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 9 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 19 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 29 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 3 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 13 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 23 | gdata(GDATA_DAY) == 30 ) {
flt

itemcreate -1, ITEM_ID_HERB_SEED, cdata(CDATA_X, cc), cdata(CDATA_Y, cc), 0
inv(INV_ITEM_STATUS, ci) = ITEM_STATUS_NORMAL
}
else {
flt
itemcreate -1, ITEM_ID_GEM_SEED, cdata(CDATA_X, cc), cdata(CDATA_Y, cc), 2
inv(INV_ITEM_STATUS, ci) = ITEM_STATUS_NORMAL
}
cbitmod CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc, 0
txtef COLOR_SKY_BLUE
txtmore
txt lang("u‚°‚Ó‚£v" + name(cc) + "‚ÍŽí‚ð“f‚«o‚µ‚½B", "uUgh-Ughuv " + name(cc) + " spews up " + itemname(ci, 1) + ".")
ci = cibk

>>20526889
You're compiling the code, right? That code worked for me.

>>20527008
ctrl + F9, then save the source code, right? Because I did ctrl F9 by itself, then I did that plus save the source code and neither worked.

>>20527015
I work in notepad++ so I save it before compiling it. Are you running the new .exe?

>>20527008
I want the cute fairy to spit seeds out pretty much whenever she gets full, instead of once every 24 hours OR once a sleep cycle. doing what I did to the code didn't seem to change either of those limiters. Every time I compiled, loaded up the file, gave her a bunch of high end bread and noodle food she would eat once, give seeds once and then devour everything else I gave her without giving me my damn seeds. I've made friends with her by giving gifts to her (Relationship is 113 last I checked)
>>20527036
I'm using hsed3.exe to compile it like it says in the "How to compile for morons" picture provided with custom-g

>>20527053
By the new .exe I mean hsptmp.exe. It shows up in the folder with your modded source code after compiling.

>>20527075
Yes. Then I rename it to ElonaC.exe like it says in the picture.

>>20527086
I'll admit, I'm at a loss then. Sorry for not being of more help.

>>20527100
Yeah, just tested it again. It's not giving me any more seeds. Maybe you could post your code? I am at a loss myself.

>>20527128
Literally all I changed was this
if ( cbit (CHARA_BIT_EXCLUSIVE_SKILL_CHARGE, cc) != 0 )
To
if ( 1 != 0 )

>>20526766
Will it show up with Oracle?

>>20527138
Using a new copy of the source file. Maybe that would help, but I'm running out of ideas. If you're not Bloodyshade or whoever works on custom-g in anon mode, I might kick it over to him to see what my problem is, because that's fucking weird.

>>20527188
I'm that one other modder that's credited in custom g. They're going to know more. I didn't know what a compiler was until a few months ago.

Yeah, new source file didn't do it. Getting kind of pissed now.Just rushed 3 days in a shelter using the fetter of earth and she hasn't given one seed since I started this test run with the newly compiled source with if (1 != 0 ) {

>>20527211
Yeah, just shot my problem over to the custom-g thread on the wiki forum. Hopefully we can get this sorted out quickly, because this is fucking strange if it's working for you but not me despite having the exact same changes to the code.

>>20527158
Yeah, it'll be listed as a "white key." You could try killing adventurers until they retire to try to spawn one, but as usual in Elona you could get it right away or never see one for hundreds of hours. If you're on plus then the rare loot trigger won't be any help either.

It's nice to have but I wouldn't call it a gamechanger. It just passively boosts your lockpicking ability by having it in your inventory. You'll still need to use and risk breaking lockpicks as usual.

WHY DOES THIS GAME KEEP IGNORING MY CONFIG CHANGES?
AAAAAAAAAAA

How do I set up diagonal movement when I'm playing on my laptop?

>>20528362
Does your laptop have a numpad? Mine does, but I also use a wireless keyboard from time to time and that has a numpad.

>>20528573
If I do have a numpad, I wouldn't be here asking the question.
I did try tinkering the config files changing some unassigned buttons to do diagonal movement but for some reason everytime I pressed them it works but there's a huge lag between me pressing and the game registering it.

Anyone else have the problem where the highest resolution in the game leaves the top row of tiles off-screen? Is there any way to fix that?

>>20529256
Copypastacfrom the previous thread:
>Find config.txt in your game directory and change windowW. to 1248 and windowH. to 760, otherwise you cannot see the top row of the map.
>The key to cutting off as little as possible seems to be to have the width as a multiple of 48 and the height 8 less than a multiple of 48. Your resolution wouldn't cut anything off, but neither would, say, 1584 x 808.

There's no way for control magic to affect normal NPCs that aren't specifically your pets, is there? I'm starting to wonder if the only way I can reliably finish Karavika's quest without accidentally nuking a couple audience members and instafailing is to try and taunt all the stalkers to attack me or continually try to keep them asleep.

>>20529774
That works, but locks the game out of fullscreen.

>>20527731
Did you set the config.txt as "read only"?

>>20529824
1. wall off all the entrances with create wall.

2. go to the center, wait for the Alkonosts to teleport in, kill them before they start killing people.

3. don't use any AOE during all this.

it helps if you have very high speed, of course.

Couple of questions for ooen.
What's the best strategy of teaching your pets new skills? Barebone minimum or get all of them? On one hand, they train potentials one skill at a time like vanilla, on the other hand most skills have some use and thus train stats.
Android god pet, according to wiki, can get AI routine of other creatures if you put creature's figure in it's inventory. Does this mean it gets to use said creature's skills and spells as well?
What can you do with hammer at novice level? It doesn't let me modify any equipment with hammer + anvil.
Chat server at seesaa.net should work with omake (except for pet arenas since you can't replace english hack .exe). Voting seems to work just fine, but chat and dead messages are nowhere to be seen. Is it blocked for non-japanese IPs?
And kinda unrelated, but is there any chance of oom or oomse translation?

I killed Isizzle from Crypt of the Damned before doing Lesimas and now I can't get his gem for the quest. Is there any way to reset the dungeon, or did I fuck up?

>>20532620
i think holding backspace+enter before entering the dungeon will let you reset it

but yeah thats a big glitch if that scenario was never taken into consideration

>>20532681
Thanks! That worked.

>>20532620
I remember that happening to me before. Unsure about specifics, but it did resolve itself somehow. Try talking to Erystia about each individual dungeon again.

>>20531410
Hrm the old suicide bomb mission strat. Are the alkonosts smart enough to just hop through the wall right away? I wonder if I could try to get them to funnel through a single opening choke, since I can basically insta-kill everything in the quest.

Thinking about it every time I've failed it's because I accidentally had equip that procs lightning breath and I inadvertedly turn Karavika's concert into a lightshow.

>>20532056
>What can you do with hammer at novice level? It doesn't let me modify any equipment with hammer + anvil.
You can craft bad armor with skins and middling weapons with broken swords and ores. You can also repair equipment that has been acid damaged. One of the easier ways to train your hammer up is to poke the slimes in that Vernis quest with a weapon, then fix the weapon, then poke the slime again. The real benefits don't show up until you get the ability to improve equipment with your hammer (level 20, I think?). It's insanely powerful if you stick with it, but I think it's too grindy and unfun to bother with. The + enchantments on equipment gets higher naturally as you go farther into the game, with void equipment potentially going well above +100, so a hammer is never necessary. It is the single most powerful feature in OO if you get it high enough, though.

>>20532056
>And kinda unrelated, but is there any chance of oom or oomse translation?
oomsest is currently being translated, there's a prerelease version available right now if you check the Elona discord. It's already perfectly playable, and personally I think its quality of life features make it recommendable over ooenh even in its incomplete state. If you do grab it, add this to the beginning of your oo_talk.txt file to prevent untranslated text from crashing the game:

%O_DEFAULT,EN
Oh, great. Another adventurer.
%END

>>20532620
That's strange. You're supposed to get his gem for killing him no matter when you do it. I know I always go for the Rankis asap and I've always gotten the gem.

>>20533848
Actually, here, let me get some links for y'all. To play oomsest, first get vanilla elona 1.22 from here:
http://ylvania.org/en/elona
Then get JP omake overhaul from here:
https://twitter.com/omake_overhaul
Copy those files over your vanilla files. Then get the en oomsest prerelease from here:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410208644379049994/524970134293708808/oomSE_southtyris.exe
and copy that over the rest. Make sure to add
%O_DEFAULT,EN
Oh, great. Another adventurer.
%END
to the beginning of oo_talk.txt to prevent untranslated dialogue from crashing the game.

>>20518022
>>20519890

>>20533898
running oomSE southtyris.exe just crashes saying I need a certain DLL, then opens a black window saying I need to have windows past 1998 , 2000?
Tf have I done wrong here?

>>20533898
There seems to be something amiss as first it gives an error no dll:GuruGuruSMF4.hpi, then SQL error and it terminates.

>>20534350
>>20534621
Whoops, I messed up! Sorry anons.

What you need is vanilla Elona 1.22 from here:

http://ylvania.org/en/elona

Then JP Omake Overhaul from the left side of this page:

https://twitter.com/omake_overhaul

THEN you need all the files for oomsest. This is what I missed last time. If you already downloaded that other stuff before, you can just grab this and then don't overwrite the oomsest exe.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410208644379049994/505773145211535360/OOMSEST_English_alpha.zip

Then after that you can grab the latest patch to the oomsest exe that I posted earlier.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410208644379049994/524970134293708808/oomSE_southtyris.exe

I just tested it all to make sure I got it right this time. Sorry!

>>20530819
That didn't work either.

>>20534847
Yep, that seems to work. Thanks to whoever is translating this.
Graphic and music files seems to be the same as vanilla/oo for modifying purposes. Is there documentation for settings and new features anywhere?
>adjust tereporting area
Translator-san seems to be japanese?

>>20535074
Read only should be unchecked. Worst case scenario you could try manually editing config.txt

>>20535215
It wasn't working when it was unchecked so I switched it on and nothing changed.

>>20535204
Yeah, from what I can tell, the translator is Foobar (of Elona Foobar fame) and is Japanese. As far as a change list, oomsest will have all of the OO changes, and there's a list of its own changes here http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Omake_Overhaul_modify_Sukutu_Edition_South_Tyris but it also includes oom and whatnot and I don't know what those changed.

Some of the more significant changes I've noticed so far are:
Wandering vendors sell material kits
Any NPC can be traded with, even if you don't have a quest (makes it easy to get an early game kit together)
Using a stethoscope on an ally marks them as precious so you don't accidentally gene engineer theme

There's a ton of new options. One reduces the animations in fishing. Turn that on and set auto turn speed to highest and you've got a built-in super lure that doesn't reduce your XP. That's how the game should have been from the start. You can also push capital H to go into auto mine mode where walking into walls digs them. Do that with auto turn speed to fastest and you can train mining pretty fast by bulldozing Palmia or whatever. Notably there is no South Tyris content yet. Also, if you try to fish with no bait, the game asks about using food, for me the game crashed upon selecting yes. Inari and Danalin's dialogue is not translated in this version, but you can copy over the translated OOenh god files and they work fine here.

Also, happy new year to my fellow roran adventurers!

>>20535263
The best option at moment is google translating japanese readme at https://wikiwiki.jp/elonaval/modify and http://elona-omakefamily-wiki.com/?oomSE/readme
Autodig was a feature included in oo. Reduced animation time is nice tho.
Happy new year to you too.

>>20533256

>>20536555
I was building up a living Ragnarok hammer for the fun of it after hundreds of hours spent dungeon diving. It ended the concert with a BANG

Hey, does anyone know how to make the numpad diagonal keys to work? I am currently playing Elona+Cg. I'm so tired of mashing two buttons at once to walk diagonally.

>>20538404
Also, I'm on a laptop.

>>20538404
Have you tried modifying the config.txt keyboard mapping at all? It's a major pain because basically every key is already mapped to something with the exception of things like the semicolon key and whatnot, but you can technically remap the majority of functions and run on whatever control scheme you feel comfortable with.

>>20538970
They are already mapped to numbers, but doesn't matter whether numlock is on or off, but they don't work. The page up/down, home, end keys walk diagonally, but they're not laid out comfortably on a laptop.

>>20539221
it doesn't work because the config.txt's format has it specifically set up so that if your laptop doesn't have an actual numpad, it won't detect it (even if you remove the space, because the game reads the numrow as shortcuts, it won't work) But if you say, replace "7 " with ";" it'll work fine, it's just that now you've awkwardly made the semicolon button your northwest key.

Hence why in order to do "convenient" mapping, you basically need to manually remap every single key. On a laptop there isn't enough room without running into conflicts.

>>20539300
But holding shift and using the numpad works, both with diagonal and regular movement.

Is there a viable summon/necromancy playstyle on this game? summoning a bunch of weak or strong units temporarily to aid?

I've been trying to find a fucking deed of a cozy house for days. When I don't have the cash it's there, when I do - never. Fuck this.

>>20539804
Only thing is the Coffin of Necromancy, look it up in the wiki. Sadly there's no summon playstyle in elona, closest thing besides the coffin is pets.

>>20540111
Embassy has two deed traders for what it's worth.

>>20538404
Hit numlock.

Is this any good for a Wizard? Currently I have a Spell dmg+ staff equipped in range (along with two spell dmg+ in both hands), so I'd be losing some damage for the MP steal...

>>20539221
>>20541373
Nevermind, didn't read.

>>20541377
Actually, I have Elemental Staff equipped in range, so I don't really lose much other than Element Scar and various resistances. Still not sure if the gun is worth working on.

Anyone remember what that one omake mod's name that allowed you to balance the game (Exp , platinum gold etc) and whether that would work with oomsest?

Which one of you posted an elona thread on the futaba's touhou board?

>>20541377
You're probably not ready to use artifact fusion, so there is no reason not to build up a living weapon. Getting to level 4 or so and stacking enhance magic isn't all that hard, just takes time.

>>20541698
Omake Overhaul EN Hack, and no it's not compatible.

>>20542171
me

I heard that one of the strong points of Omake is abundance of custom content (cnpcs, items, gods). Is there a central hub where all of it gets uploaded?

Anyone have any updated cute sprite sheets for 1.85+g?

>>20535263
>Yeah, from what I can tell, the translator is Foobar (of Elona Foobar fame)
Actually it's KI, seen here at the bottom https://elonafoobar.com/en/

How do I toggle the skill/spell tracker under the clock? Tried everything already.

>>20547934
Nevermind, just figured it out. (pressing * at skills page)

>>20545733
Looks like there are some custom gods here: https://wikiwiki.jp/elonacstm/
I haven't tried any, though.

new here, do i use elona+ custom and omake overhaul en hack together?

>>20549437
No. Omake overhaul and +Custom are different mods, not compatible. If you're going with custom, go the extra few steps and install custom-g.

>>20549437
Nope, pick one or the other. Though at this point it might be better to play oomsest instead of oo or e+c-g instead of e+c.

These mods are so incredibly outdated. I downloaded a pack of 10 portrait sets and none of them are applicable. Is there a list of portaits and how they changed between Elona and Elona+?

I'm so fucking confused. I had originally dismissed this game on the basis that it was probably a poorly put together work of many hands like Violated Heroine. But now that I've found out that you've got a TV Tropes page, I'm somehow tempted to play it. How the fuck does that work?

Are pistols really that useless?

>>20550906
All mods are applicable, you just have to update them, it's a lot of work just for some portraits but it's pretty easy, just get gimp, and edit the face1.bmp yourself

>>20551873
Have you never played a roguelike before anon?

>>20552271
I've been meaning to play more, but all that I've actually done is like 5 minutes of Nethack and enough Pixel Dungeon to realise that it was shit. Why?

>>20509779
keep having this problem with the character creation screen, it always freezes for several seconds when i try to flip through the options of different portraits and such. is there a way to fix this?

First timer here, Elona+ or Elona+Custome?

>>20552737
elona+

What factors affect the type/level of "monsters summoned by chaotic vortex" from equipment attribute?

>>20551873
Read wiki to get at least some understanding on how to make new character. Check some youtube tutorials if you're completely lost. Barebone necessities: for food, either eat from the floor in towns or bash (b) fruit trees to get fruits, random wilderness also usually have nuts or wild plants.
For sleep, there are beds in towns, just use them when you are sleepy.
>>20552737
Custom as an addition on top of Elona+, not a separate mod. Grab it for better translation and QOL features.

Is there any way to change OO to have exp rates similar to overdose mode on E+?

>>20552006
Oh please, I'm better than that. I pirated Photoshop years ago.

The issue I'm talking about is which face is which. A lot of these tilesets want to replace this one face with that of I think a Water or Air Spirit. Obviously that's not right, but there's no water/air spirit portrait on the Elona+ tileset to begin with. So now I have this portrait and no place to put it.

>>20554252
Then, you probably need to put it on user/graphic as a custom portrait

I recommend checking this: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Custom_portrait

I just caught a gold bell and gave it a shotgun, at lvl 3 (45 perception) it can execute lvl 40~ mobs by using Critical Particle Cannon (whatever that is). I might have to learn how to gene engineer so I can add a neck slot onto it to equip Arbalest or something.

>tempted to play Elona
>realise that it'd be less effort to learn how to play Dwarf Fortress
Yeah, this isn't going to work.

>>20553892
English hack has balance menu where you can adjust exp, platinum, small medals etc. rates.
>>20554536
They're both fun in their own way. at least Elona doesn't suddenly succumb to fps death

>>20554536
>Dwarf Fortress
Hell fucking no,i could never figure out how to do basic shit in dwarf fortress while you can learn elona in a short time frame

>>20554353
Nono, what I'm saying is I have no idea what goes in that spot, as well as where the new portrait is actually supposed to go. I can't explain this any better than I already am.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>20554649
Thanks man

>>20555157
I wish you the worst RNG in the world after this

>>20555157

>>20555275
I'm the same anon that got 3 lucky daysin a row and >>20524021

AND I just did something stupid. I thought I took an ally away from a ranch before I deleted it. I didn't, and now I can't recall it or put it on the new ranch... What do?

Convince me why I should play Elona instead of Degrees of Lewdity.

>>20556027
Degrees of what now

>>20556027
Go on...

>>20556130
>Degrees of Lewdity.
Searched it. The quote I found was "You can play as a shota, or a loli. Gay or straight." Safe to say, this has been enough internet for the day.

>>20556138
was it made by jews, or by whites with jew spouses?

>>20556138
>>20556027
But does it have roguelike elements is my question?

>>20556027
Anon we get it, you can go back to /hgg/ now.

>>20556027
>browser based game where your loli or shota gets ravaged
nice try fbi

Is there anyway to, you know, get rid of a pet without having it on the field with you?

>>20556701
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Dojo

>>20556763
Not what I meant. I lost a pet (Just a horse, thankfully) when I uprooted the ranch it was the breeder for after I thought I sent it away. Turns out I didn't, and now I have a horse that doesn't exist anymore taking up a pet slot. I can't call it to me, it just gives the message "nothing happened" whenever I try to call it.

>>20556840
If it was me, the first thing I'd try to do would be to get a bartender to call it back, although it's a longshot if Call Familiar isn't working.
Next thing would be to build a new ranch, try to assign the horse as the breeder there, then if that works unassign it and see if that makes Call Familiar work normally.

>>20556868
bartender worked. To be quite honest, I forgot about the bartender calling back allies. It acted as if the pet was dead without listing it as such. A tip, maybe someone should put that on the wikia.

>>20552875
I'm guessing that curses work based on enchantment strength, like all enchantments.

Is the rape mechanic still a thing in Elona? It requires grabbing while having a bed underneath or was that changed or removed?

>>20561870
Forced sleep sharing is still a thing as far as I know.

Hey friends, what sprite pack should i be using for latest version?

>>20562176
elona+c that is

I have been researching the optimum way to make gold. Conclusion: it's all about the ranch. Ranches produce eggs, and the sell price of eggs is proportional to weight. If you have superheavy monsters that produce 100s eggs, you will be rolling in dough. Seriously, you will make millions per in-game day.

The trick is figuring out the highest breeding power monster that produces 100s eggs. As far as I can tell, you should breed Tentacle Worms in Act 1, then convert over to Heqet in act 2, using the memory palace to reduce its level to 10.

Optimizing the ranch: Ranches are cheap compared to how much money you will be making, so make several. Rotate the breeders out when you get ~10 animals per ranch.

All you will care about is the egg production. Milk is worthless. Killing the animals for meat is a no-no. Brush your animals regularly, it increases the price of eggs. Once you get animals with the 'increased egg production' traits, use those as the new breeders.

Having high Cooking helps, since at 200 cooking you can produce 3 dishes from a single egg. High cooking also increases the chance of making the level 9 egg dish. Also having high Negotiation helps, because the price of the dishes will go right up against your selling price limit, so higher negotiation = more money.

Before the timeskips after act 1 and act 2, it's worth it to max out your pet slots and go full ranch. You will get many eggs and much cash. Early on it may also be worthwhile to make a chicken farm, since it produces the most eggs, and even though they don't sell for much you can use it for nonperishable food / cooking practice.

>>20554536
When was the last time you played DF, particularly adventure mode? It got hella complex a couple versions ago.

>>20562437
Wouldnt cooking the egg result in cooking/100 0.5s dishes? Would they even sell for more? Also food shops allow you to skip the negotiation bullshit and sell for massive amounts more than a persuasive salesman pc.

>>20561870
It's only in Elona Plus. You squeeze an NPC while standing on a bed.

>>20562507
they are 0.5s, yes, but they are also worth a lot more. same with meat, though the effect is not as big. there's a lot of weirdness going on there, e.g. just because two eggs are both 100s doesn't mean they're the same price - it looks at enhancement and maybe the weight/height of the egglayer. chicken eggs seem to have some kind of hardcoding that makes them always cheap (66 gold/ occasional 333 gold).

food shops have a maximum per-item cap on sell price, same as selling it personally.

the formula for shop is:
12000+negotiation*100

the formula for personal selling is:
5000+negotiation*250

I have dishes that sell for 80k+ each, so it's easier to just sell them myself, after arming myself with a few +negotiation living weapons. I buy the scrolls of growth from souvenir shops and pay with egg dishes.

>>20562698
From what I've seen, it's like eggs have three separate "qualities" or something. You can only tell them apart based on how they stack.

>>20562698
Huh. Anyway, Ive found my heqet spawning lower level flying frogs? Is this because of the hall of memory loss?

>>20562817
there's always a chance to spawn other creatures. it just happens to be flying frogs for you b/c that's the closest to a level-reduced heqet (low level + frog race).

just kill the flying frogs so they don't take up a slot. they will spawn heqets too at a decent rate.

>>20562817
Certain mobs do not breed themselves.

>>20562930
only uniques and quest monsters (little sister, lost kitten, town children). heqet breeds just fine.

Not sure if anyone on here cares, but I found a list of all (I believe, been a while since I played the game) Japanese card text and out of curiosity have started translating them by comparing Google Translate and Microsoft translate. Plus a bit of guesswork on my part based on context.
I doubt the end result will be good enough for the game itself, but I was wondering if anyone here wanted a look into the creature descriptions even if they are rough. If so where would be a good place I could share it? Just make a really huge pastebin?

>>20563391
Sure, I'd be interested in it. Besides, if any are funny they might be more beloved than the actual translations that will 99% likely never come.

>>20563391
That'd be awesome, but it sounds like you're going about it the wrong way. Custom makes all card data accessible/editable in text files; look for \externalize\Cards. The Japanese card test is "desc_JP.", and the place where English text would go is "desc_EN.".
You could make a big 7z of card files with translated descriptions, put them on mega/gdrive/dropbox/whatever, and anyone could add the translations to their game easily.

>>20563511
...That is much easier and better than what I was starting to do. Not to mention would make it more easy for me since I wouldn't be retreading things that are already translated.
Thanks anon!

>>20563511
Well I noticed the list I found had many more entries than the version of custom on my computer. But that seems obvious now that I realized my version is 1.75 when 1.85 is the latest.
Heads up to the Custom guys if you check the thread still, the Mega link for the latest version is down and bloody-shades site certificate has gone wonky. Finally got it though.

>>20563710
>Heads up to the Custom guys if you check the thread still, the Mega link for the latest version is down
Working fine here.
>bloody-shades site certificate has gone wonky
That's how it always is. It's his private site, originally just intended to be used by some friends of his.

>>20563833
Ok, that is just weird.
I still got the update off his site even if I had to add an exception and ignore identity requests every click, but I have no idea why Mega told me the link was no longer valid.

>>20554536
might as well play skyrim

>>20563851
Alright. Made more progress than I thought roughly translating the card text files, but realized something that could be an issue to sharing them.
Does anyone know if Elona requires SHIFT_JIS encoding on those text files? The Japanese text was in that encoding by default and in order to read the files on my computer I just mass converted them to UTF-8.

>>20566805
If you're just dumping it as a file it shouldn't matter. If you're dumping it as English text it also shouldn't matter. But if you're dumping Japanese characters, then it's safer to stick with shift_jis. Having only played the Japanese version I don't know if Custom made any changes to font conversion, but I very much doubt that they would, considering native Elona only takes a couple specific fonts without messing up even among the Japanese fonts.

>>20562468
You mean artifacts?

>>20563391
A heads up, there is a translation for some of the cards at wiki http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Cards

>>20563391
I'm currently working on a different project, but once that's done, I'd be willing to translate them properly if you would like.

Though, as >>20563413 suggested, they might end up being more interesting with machine translations, so don't discard your progress and keep up the good work, Anon.

>>20569531
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind when I get to those numbers.

>>20570973
I would like to know the correct translations eventually, if nothing else just to see how badly I butchered them. Like I said, I am just getting the most general idea checking between 2 online translators (which surprisingly works much better than I expected at least for the generic mobs/npcs) then using context or a ton of guess work depending on the case then writing something somewhat understandable from it.
An example of one that I am almost certain is done wrong but Google and Microsoft seemed to agree on.
>Town Child
>Those who believe that they have a brilliant future ahead of them, most fit to be called a child. No matter how long it passes, as long as they cling to that hope blindly they are children.

>>20571233
Oh, and this seems to be my favorite thus far just because I finally know why you get Shena's panties from nobles.
>Shena the draw
>A girl working at a bar in Vernis. She is not aware that her attractive buttocks are captivating regardless of gender and sexuality. So much so that nobles are embroiled in a bloody feud over possession of her underwear.

>have 40 plat and was going to convert luck god, and then fish till my god-hate thing goes away
>dick around in truce grounds trying to figure out how to change god
>accidentally sacrifice to some altar
>shadows of Juere and Ehekatl dance around
>altar converted to juere
>i-i-its not like i'm thankful or anything!

christ.

1.86
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29910?useskin=oasis

>>20573019
>Implemented a maximum and minimum cap on the amount of time passed per turn.

How do i get good gear early on? It seems all i get is the same mediocre stuff.

>>20573781
Collect all the small medals in every town and buy stuff from the dwarfs.

>>20573781
Bless a stack of scrolls of change material and use them to convert your items into better materials. Trade scrolls of oracle to adventurers for their stuff. In E+, spend money to enchant your items at a blacksmith. In oomsest, you can trade with nearly any NPC instead of only adventurers.

>>20573087
If it's implemented well maybe it'll mean I won't have to afk on the map for an hour just to pass a reasonable amount of time due to my speed being too high.
We'll see in practice though.

>>20576354
>afk on the map for an hour just to pass a reasonable amount of time
Wait a second... I had only considered it in terms of nerfing high speed. But does this also nerf the Fetter of Earth?

>>20573019
>Doubled the player character's resistance to brainwashing.
Nice

>>20576528
If there's a min cap of time then yes

Which one between omake overhaul and + custom has the most content?

>>20578501
+ Custom by far. Omake Overhaul isn't really focused on adding more content.

Hey guys, my pc crashed while playing last night and now the save doesn't show a level and everytime i load it up it says updating from version .0 and crashes, any fix? was really digging my character :(

>>20579229
Do you have shadow volume copy active on the drive your Elona sits on?

>>20579527
nope

>>20579550
RIP save then. Start making archive backups of your save to prevent this in the future.

Been working on my own pack for Elona, this is what I've got so far, I want to change everything I can.

Thoughts?

>>20580042
looks nice. I would love to have that kind of art style for the overworld instead of the all-in-one pack

>>20580115
I'll be sure to post it on here when I'm comfortable with it all.

anyone have a mega for the 1.85 for Elona+? Drive's dead

>>20580938
nvm, found it

>>20580042
looks awesome

I noticed an interesting thing in omake. At slave trader, usually the price of the same pets is constant. But occasionally there is a pet with deviation in price (maybe that is one of modifiers, I saw godly pets but that one doesn't have any name). In most cases, I haven't noticed anything interesting about them, but little girls and fallen soldiers have extra skills for gene transferring. For example, you can get weight lifting, cooking, eye of mind, improved evasion and more from little girls.
The normal cost for little girl is 1434, the deviant cost varies between 1200-1300.

>>20583672
NPCs in OO have a random chance to be a different class than they normally would be, which starts them with different skills than they'd normally have. Didn't know that would affect the price though.

>>20584137
It's natural if their stats change along with their class, since slave price depends on str and con.

Just found out that Ehekatl is an actual deity. How unusual.
Do the other Elona deities have real-life counterparts as well?

>>20585072
Tezcatlipoca is pretty much copied straight out of his source myth in Aztec mythology

What does it mean if my equip has a negative number in it?

>>20586049
Depends on where it is. If it didn't used to be there, it's a negative enchantment, probably from acid damage.

>>20586049
It means you were careless enough to let your equipment, and therefore (You), get splattered with corrosive slime semen (READ: reduced equipment stats).

One of my friends keeps telling me to play Elona, should I?
also should I wait for E+C to update to 1.86 or should I use the current 1.85?

>>20586536
Wait for E+C to update since it translates all the post act 1 stuff to English and allows you to turn on various convenience features (spell stock counting, being able to quicksave and quickload, etc.).

>>20586536
Just play on 1.85. 1.86 is largely convenience changes outside of the time/turn change, and the exact mechanics of how that works hasn't been released, realistically starting off the game fresh you probably won't notice a difference.

xD

Wouldn't it be better if there was a long rest button that passed 3 hours or so instead of cutting down your map movespeed? I like being able to cross two continents in an afternoon but I understand the speed:time relation is kinda broken at higher speeds.

bump

I caught a cute little Frisia :3
Too bad her stats got lowered so much.

Hello,

I currently am running Elona+ Custom version 1.76 fix 1

Is it worth waiting until Elona+ Custom-G updates to version 1.86 (to match the current Elona+ version), or should I update to Elona+ Custom-G 1.85.2?

Alternatively, is it EVEN worth upgrading to the newer versions from 1.76?

Thank you

>>20595420
I'd say it's worth being able to use the recent "disable random naps while traveling" Custom-G tweak.
Custom-G for 1.86 can't come out until there's a Custom for it (which will come out whenever BloodyShade has the free time for it), and there'll probably be a delay to figure out exactly what that new time-per-turn cap does and whether it should be kept in Custom-G or not.

is there a better way to find custom PCCs aside from scrolling through hundreds of icons in elonauploader?

>>20597368
You can also scroll through hundreds of thumbnails in Pixiv.

>>20601694
elona booru when

>>20597368
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=5164226
I'll shill this guy again

New player here, some of the potentials of my attributes are at Bad, how do I bring them back up early game? I've read that you can do it with potions of potentials but it seems to be a mid game to late game thing considering you need to invest a quite a lot to the magic shop for it to start appearing.

>>20607767
Potions of potential aren't too difficult to find, but other than that you're stuck with either sleeping to restore potential, or picnic baskets because specific restore food is difficult to accumulate. Picnic baskets are a hassle, but they're not too hard to make, and effectively they become free anyways.

>>20607767
Sleep in the fanciest bed you can find each night, and make sure your waifu has the Cooking skill. Also, assuming you're not still in the starting cave, hire a maid and you might luck out and get a chance to buy potential for platinum.

As a martial artist, should i dual wield claws/tonfas?

>>20609463
Equipping claws/tonfas/shields on your hands will limit your extra attacks to 4 per turn (instead of 8), but naked MA sucks until you get enough "extra attack" bonuses from gear to consistently get +5 hits per attack and enough MA levels to not do pitiful unarmed damage. It's a fairly long journey, so you need to use tonfas and claws to improve your damage.

I wanna make a Samurai kind of character, like pic related. How should I do it? Should I go Warrior with Light Armor or Claymore?

Is this guy strong or did I just waste my Astral Light Pen? I'm a lvl 68 wizard, figured I could use a tank

If I put my defender on ranch to get more defenders as pets, will they all have separate revives?
Can I essentially get 15 extra lives if I make a party out of only defenders?

>>20610182
Elona have katanas too, even though they aren't "meta" in Elona+'s god-slaying endgame.
In Elona+, Warrior is a decent starting class, and claymores are pretty good, but light armor isn't that great for 2h builds because of how critical damage works.
Armor skills in Elona are based on your total gear weight, so if you are completely naked while holding a massive gundam fire katana in your hands, your armor type will be Heavy.
Back to Critical Damage, the calculation is based on your weapon's weight (and some other things), so heavier weapons will deal more damage, and your only penalty will be a reduced spellcasting chance that can easily be solved by unequipping the weapon when you decide to use magic.

If you are playing ElonaOO, you have some extra variety for a "sword master" character.
For example, Fencer feats will give you parry chance and extra chance to multi-hit attacks for using medium weight long swords like katanas with your two hands.
There is also Blade Dancer, a feat that will give you a chance to counter melee attacks (up to 50%).

>>20611167

>>20610421
It doesn't look that great, especially with that INI. It will take a while for him to earn AP and learn "tank" skills like Provoke and especially MP Barrier.
Astral pen is only useful for NPCs you can't recruit normally, and only if they have exclusive traits that you can't find in recruitable NPCs (or if you want to get married with a goddess).
If you want a tank-like pet, you can try Mani's Android pet (low INI so they can earn AP earlier, cArmour trait reduces damage received). Use CustomAI so you can force him to be a melee-like character (ignoring its default ranged AI).

>>20611386
>(or if you want to get married with a goddess).

>>20611220
Isn't the crit bonus from weapon weight kinda negligible unless you get to obscene (>= god weapon) weights?

>>20610421
His stats are low for his level. STR and CON traditionally raise much faster than other stats, to the point where you can see stats like those on a level 50 to 70 pet if you focused on rabid stat boosting.

Thankfully Astral Light Pens aren't hard to farm, so you just have to grind more. And you get at least 3 of them for free anyways.

>>20562733
blessed/cursed/neutral? Do you identify these eggs?

>>20613684
I keep a pile of multiple stacks of eggs (of the same species) for making picnic baskets. All ID'd, and the few that end up blessed or cursed get cooked and eaten.
I looked at the source for egg creation once, but couldn't figure it out at a glance.

Man its so hard to find male PCCs

>>20611220
>light armor isn't that great for 2h builds because of how critical damage works
Can you elaborate?

>>20617124
Your weapon's weight effects how much extra damage it gets from critical hits. Since your character only counts as lightly armored when your equipment (including weapons) weighs below 15s, that puts a fairly strict limit on how heavy your weapon can be. This is also one of the reasons why dual wielding isn't as good as two handing in Plus. With martial arts, your MA skill is used in place of your weapon's weight, which means eventually your crits will become monstrously powerful, and this is part of why MA in Plus is far superior to weapons.

I could be wrong but I think this is (mostly?) only relevant to Plus. I've seen a ton of different equations for how this works and don't know which are reliable, but some suggest you need a weapon of >= 180s to get the maximum critical damage bonus (which is eventually viable for two hand and heavy armor, but not dual wield or light/medium armor). Some sources say that your weapon's weight is compared against the target's equipment weight, which, if true, means that wearing heavier armor will reduce the critical damage you take as well.

If you're the anon that originally asked about making the samurai character, your initial class isn't terribly important outside of Omake and its descendants. Warrior and claymore are both fine. Plus lets you change classes in case you want a different class's ability later on (such as predator's +10% to critical hits). In Omake Overhaul and OOmsest you'll either want samurai for its very high number of free feats, or ninja for its high number of free feats and +10 to speed.

>>20610421
The only defensive pets in Plus that are worth mentioning are defenders and metal races like bells. Now that AP can increase life, the latter have no weaknesses.

(Elona+) Are "summoned monsters via magical portal" (by spellbook fail or equipment attribute) nerfed in terms of rare drop trigger?

>>20618295
I *think* that summoned monsters via magical portal falls under the same conditions as Ragnarok summoning, but I don't remember a specific note in the changelog as to any changes on how it works.

>>20618295
Summons can't drop items at all.

>>20611167
Tried getting a couple more defenders and it's working great.
I no longer need to pay attention to everything that's happening around me while my pets take care of shit.
Pets using up revives is when I know that something's up.

t. same poster.

What the fuck, Omake Overhaul is so cool. Elona+ Custom-G: Omake Overhaul when

>>20620929
>why don't people use features from my closed-source proprietary software?

>>20620963
Quite a few people in this thread are playing a mod of a mod of an "closed" expansion mod of a Japanese freeware game.
If it weren't for the language barrier in addition to the terrible language its coded in I would have done it myself.
There are plenty of features from both that would make an amazing elona variant if you put them together.

>>20621215
Excellent job outlining the remaining reasons it hasn't happened. Now kindly stop bitching.

>>20621319
I was just pointing out the real reasons why it hasn't been done yet. Unlike the anon that I responded too who seemed to act like it had anything to do with Omake being closed source or proprietary.
I'll just patiently wait until someone else maybe does it. Like that one anon that was curious of making a C# elona variant. If not, oh well.

ELONA+CUSTOM-G 1.86 WHEN?

Oh, hey, custom 1.86.1 is out. Has anyone looked at the time cap thing?

>>20619334
They're really good, maybe the best pet in the game. I limit myself to one pet of any given type partly because a team of all defenders might as well be invincibility.

>>20622865
I can't even find the code for it. I'll look again tomorrow.

If you use paint on figurines or the new meat dolls, their appearance will change to a sprite on character.bmp that corresponds to the paint number. Too bad there's not enough paint colors to get all the spirites...

Would OO be a better choice for me if I prefer roleplaying?

Fuck, I got the boots below after I wished for a seven league boots since it was the recommended first wish for a beginner. Is it worth keeping the seven league boots? Also, what does the hashtags and the pluses on the effects mean?

>>20625466
Just because it's a fixed artifact doesn't mean it's good. For example, that fixed artifact sucks and you're much better off with the seven league boots.

>>20625283
Depends on what exactly you mean by "roleplaying".
OO offers more stuff for a player character to work with. For example, if you want to "roleplay" as a prostitute, there is a class and a few feats focused on prostitution, so you can sell your body as soon as possible for maximum profit.
But Plus have more features for pets, like the full-body portraits and sleep sharing, so you have more options to mess around with your waifu. And I guess Plus is the best option to "roleplay" as a god-slaying death machine since it's a lot easier to get stupid strong in Plus compared to OO.

>>20625466
>what does the hashtags and the pluses on the effects mean?
That shows how powerful the enchantment is. Notice that the seven league boots have a much stronger travel speed boost than Dal-i-thalion.

>play OO
>become broke from identifying items
This is epic

Okay, I'm testing the speed cap thing now. It's in *spdSkip, and as near as I can tell that subroutine only gets called while you're on the world map, so I guess it's actually a "travel speed cap"?
(This code is absurd. The "turncost" variable uses MDATA_TIMESCALE-CDATA_SPEED_SUM as a base value, but the only thing I can find that sets CDATA_SPEED_SUM sets it to MDATA_TIMESCALE...)
Anyway, I tried equipping the Fetter of Earth (SPD lowered to 24) and walking from the starting cave to Palmia in 1.85 and 1.86. Both trips took roughly the same amount of time (the 1.86 trip actually took a bit longer), so I don't think the lower limit actually constitutes a nerf to the Fetter.
I'll check with SLB and two Garok'd rings next.

On a semi-related note, 1.86's "pour a potion on your head" system broke encounter cancellers:
>You pours an encounter canceller on themselves. You get wet. You are hit by poison! You are poisoned.
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>>20625721
>And I guess Plus is the best option to "roleplay" as a god-slaying death machine since it's a lot easier to get stupid strong in Plus compared to OO.

If it's for strictly role playing, technically you can just tweak a custom race in OO and the entire game falls off the rails. Starting the game as a 500 speed character is hilarious.

>>20625988
Why are you using the npc to identify in any version of Elona that isn't +?

Okay, I honestly have no idea what that "speed cap" thing is even supposed to do. Maybe it'd slightly increase the travel time for characters with endgame levels of speed? There's no point to it that I can see.

Also, if anyone playing 1.86.1 was wondering why they can no longer Esc out of dialogue:
>#define chatMore(%1,%2=strmore,%3=0) listmax=0:buff=%1:tc=tc*(%3=0)+(%3!0)*%3:chatList 0,%2:chatesc=true:gosub *chat_select :if scenemode:if scene_cut=true : goto *chat_end
I don't think HSP has newfangled modernities like "true" being a reserved keyword. BloodyShade must've momentarily forgotten he was in Obscure Programming Language Hell. (Also, "if scene_cut=true" instead of "if scene_cut==true", but anybody could make that mistake, especially since it doesn't have an obvious effect.)

...Wait, I just remembered. The speed cap thing has special code for when you're in the Deep-Sea Castle. But the only time *spdSkip is ever used is inside the statement "if ( mdata(MDATA_TYPE) == MAP_TYPE_WORLD ) {", which I'm pretty sure means you have to be on the world map...
...I'm just going to put it down to Ano Anoing it up again.

So the only reason why one would play Plus instead of Omake is if they want bloat and minmaxing right? Because aside from Plus having Act 2 and 3, Omake is literally better.

what's with all these freaks showing up and shilling omake all of a sudden?

>>20626953
I don't understand how stating facts makes you a shill.

>>20627100
>my opinions are facts

>>20627127
Everything is viable for endgame in Omake while that's not the case for Plus. That alone makes Omake better than Plus

>>20626944
Plus has its own benefits, Omake has its own benefits. There's nothing stopping you from playing on multiple versions at the same time, and honestly, Elona isn't nearly difficult enough as a roguelike that it would drain substantial amounts of time just for a single file.

>>20627328
"Endgame" in Omake is only the end of the first chapter in Plus. Your argument is therefore that Omake is better than Plus simply because you stop playing it earlier.
Do you actually like Elona, or are you just playing to try to fit in?

>>20626953
>freaks showing up and shilling
>a free variant of a free variant of a free game
>in a thread that takes +15 days to hit bump limit
>created on one of the slowest boards of 4channel™
It's probably just one guy that just discovered that he loves oranges more than apples.
That said, I definitively agree that variant wars are just dumb and completely unnecessary. Talking about Shena's ass will give us more quality posts than this.

>>20627683
I thought Omake was just a free variant of a free game, and it was Overhaul that was the variant variant. Of course, he should've been talking about ooenhack, which would be a free variant's free variant's free variant.

...So, re: the April Fools Month dialogue about Shena being able to pulverize rocks with her ass. Is there fanart of this?

new thread wen

>>20627999
Right after we reach the final slot in page 10. This isn't /vg/, you know, even after hitting bump limit this thread will stay alive for a fairly long time.

>>20627748
>ooenhack
I've never found the motivation to actually play in English on any of the Elona variants or the base game.

>>20625283
Probably. It's got more character build options as well as a higher proportion of non-gimped builds. It emphasizes NPC interactions a bit more - other adventurers show up in dungeons, one adventurer will eventually appear who declares herself your rival and trains to defeat you every time she loses, there are more random encounter quests, etc. Plus is definitely easier to get into though. If you do want to play Omake Overhaul, consider playing OOmsest instead. It's an OO mod with more features and an in-progress but totally playable english translation.

>>20626652
>Okay, I honestly have no idea what that "speed cap" thing is even supposed to do. Maybe it'd slightly increase the travel time for characters with endgame levels of speed? There's no point to it that I can see.
I bet Ano's main goal here is to nerf "time travel" strats, where you make your character as slow as possible (by eg riding a snail) for the sake of getting better results from stuff like herb farms and statues of Yacatect.

>>20626944
>Because aside from Plus having Act 2 and 3, Omake is literally better.
Basically, yes, but getting ~3x as much content is no minor thing.

>>20629460
>I bet Ano's main goal here is to nerf "time travel" strats, where you make your character as slow as possible (by eg riding a snail) for the sake of getting better results from stuff like herb farms and statues of Yacatect.
I could see that happening, but as it is the code doesn't have any measurable effect on megaslow overland travel.

>>20625466
Dal-i-thalion is a mini seven league boots. These days I never wish for 7lb since dal-i is good enough and available early, but since you've got 'em you might as well use them. You can change the material of your boots to improve their stats (how you should go about that depends on which version you're playing). Give dal-i-thalion to your little girl.

>>20627328
>Everything is viable for endgame in Omake while that's not the case for Plus.
We've had a guy defeat the gods by throwing shit at them.
I don't want to hear a goddamn thing about viability.

>>20629623
Anything can be made to work eventually, but magic and martial arts will get you to a godkilling level with way, way less grinding than anything else. In Omake Overhaul you can use magic, two hand, dual wield, and guns as comparable damage options, and that's before the builds enabled by feats. With the feats you get a lot of gimmick options, like two handing a medium weapon, counterattacking when you dodge, and Plus-style superheavy two handers. There's also better differentiation between weapon types. Polearms get bonus damage against slower enemies in exchange for reduced damage against faster ones. Hammers inflict dim and axes inflict bleed. Martial arts gets 100% pierce on critical hits. Omake offers way more variety and the balance is much better.

>>20629701
To be fair, all these things are more about variety than viability (I really like the sword feats in OO).
Everything is viable on Plus because your character can and inevitably will become "everything" eventually, but yeah some stuff is obviously far stronger than everything else.