/jp/ - Otaku Culture

How much xp did you guys grind today?

https://streamable.com/h3cwa

here we go again, include me in the screencap.

Wow Matt deadass said in his latest podcast that he wouldn't learn Japanese if he could go back in time, kinda feel for him now, all that time lost and he's not even happy.

i mean its really tough for me to see how a kid 20 years younger than me finds some kind of magic in anything from japan tbqh

>>20398271
But isn't Kaufmann a fraud?

>>20398380
proof?

>>20398396
https://youtu.be/YZjcNVUBYwQ?t=2897

do i get my own retarded fanclub here if i get semi-decent in japanese

Tell me /OJT/, how do you get/boost your motivation to learn japanese?, what motivates you to learn japanese?

>>20398463
prolly not

>>20398463
you can do it without any nip at all a la jamal.

>>20398529
I don’t feel motivated I just dread missing anki reviews because I know I’ll quit if it piles up too high I’m not even adding new cards anymore hahaha

imagine being that jealous of a language knower

>>20398551
Don't worry, it just hurts once.

>僕
why do you insist on sounding like an edgy middle school girl?

indeed why do you make posts like that

You can do it, /OJT/! Learning Japanese is fun and easy!

why was the real thread deleted
why was a meme thread made to replace it

Has anyone here done Lazy Kanji?
Khatz recommended it and now even Matt who used to be the biggest RTK shill is saying that you should do Lazy Kanji first and do RTK at fluency level.

>>20399787
you can tell this is the real thread because the name is wrong it has less than a third of the posts and less than half the ips
and it was posted 26 minutes earlier
we cant let our expectations of djt get too high

>>20399789
by now you know matt is full of shit so im going to offer you radical advice
dont even learn kanji at all just read and before you know it youll be getting omigoto all over the place

>>20399805
this only powers you up if you have the time focus and energy to read for 5+ hours each day

>>20399807
blatantly false and what makes you think ankidroning kanji powers you up ever

>>20399809
i mean i'm speaking from the experience of "i have maximum 1 hour to read and don't retain vocab well enough from just that to see any real progress"
ankidroning kanji is dumb as shit but ankidroning vocab is useful and even necessary at least in the first year or two imo (in my opinion)

>>20399805
Matt is fluent in japanese
You don't know japanese
Why should i listen to you instead of him?

>>20399814
1. You have more than 1 hour, you're lazy and full of shit.
2. Back when I was lazy and full of shit, I read a lot and in half a year I could skim through NHK Easy.

>>20399818
>you have more than 1 hour
i work 2 jobs, 40 hours a week at one 20 at the other. to all NEETs out there please make good use of your freedom

>>20398529
Vidya and everything that comes with it.

>>20399816
this should be self evident if youve followed him long enough to watch him double back and swap his top recommendation with something he attacked
dudes all over the place
but you know what you should really listen to is your heart gambare
>>20399814
i dont fully agree but this isnt blatantly false so good enough

>>20399822
You must have a good manager if they can organize work well enough every day that you have no downtime. Your car must be shit though if it has no radio to play listening practice on during commutes.

super smash bros ultimate came out. i'm not gonna learn japanese, i'm gonna forget everything.

>>20399861
戻れない

>>20399861
儚い

>>20399861
Play it in 日本語 it has an option.

I thought I knew japanese but I literally mined 100 words on the first day playing the new eushully game

>>20398336
Strange that you would use that particular image of Kasuga for the OP, I used it for some profile pictures before.

>>20399988
Are you learning 日本語 or did you come to this thread specifically to blogpost?

>>20399814
1 hour a day is 365 hours a year, it just isn't enough time to make any serious progress in Japanese whether you spend it ankidroning, reading or on anything else.

I want some non-fiction books for plebs with a lot of images, not just bare-bone text. I'm too amateur to just rely on the text.
There's nothing like that in the resources, manga isn't non-fiction and doesn't teach you cool stuf...
HELP

>>20400158
wikipedia you faggot

>>20400175
>>20400175
I want shit like this, kinda light hearted, not high brow like Wiki

Why was the other thread pruned?

>>20400180
shit now this is learning like a kid
no suggestions but gambare you might make it

>>20400187
people were discussing japanese

>>20400188
>shit now this is learning like a kid
t. manga reader

>>20400192
i only read douzinsi eroge and ln get your facts straight

Should I borrow this book?

>>20399861
smash players are unsightly trash anyway

Or this one?

>>20400230
Content

>>20400245
As for this one

they're both bad but the second one looks better because it looks like an actual dictionary
no point if you're just borrowing it though we have the internet now

I just want to hold a physical book because if I'm in front of computer/phone I'll just watch anime or shitposting on 4channel.

oh great another calvin

Thanks for your input btw.

Who's Calvin

I like this book

>>20400266
you might not make it but good luck

trust me physical hanzi/kanji dictionaries are one thing we very definitely don't have a reason to go back to and there is no romance to them
they're only good for power outages (personal experience)

>>20400285
I watched the anime Fune wo Amu 舟を編む and that changes my perception toward dictionary. There are people who put their love and passion into it.

dude just unplug from the internet sit in the middle of your living room and play sega mega drive and flip thru the kanji dict ftw

digital dictionaries are good
physical dictionaries for hanzi/kanji are basically useless

i just wanna say it might not be better in max lookups per second

but we all know what happens with all these guys who have access to all this knowledge but dont have the knowledge on how to turn the knowledge into understanding lol

>>20400293
you can learn japanese that way but can millennials and zoomers handle going through this much work
especially if they dont have the discipline to read anything with a computer in the room

>>20400245
Neither. Learn kanji through vocabulary, learn vocabulary through immersion via anime and light novels.

What? There are boomers who still shitposting in djt?

>>20400410
I just don't know how to read kanji, grammar and vocab are easy.

Please title your thread correctly so my filters catch it, thanks.

>>20400411
ntr roleplays one i was speaking from experience as a millennial
>>20400414
you cant learn how to read kanji by focusing on individual kanji
if you are convinced its a problem then use anki to learn to read words

Any good ln for pedo? Asking for a friend.

くそやろう

もどれない

>>20400477
oreimo

>>20400283
>skinny Abe
where'd you get that

>>20400477
eat shit sicko

>>20400876
逆に童女のうんち食べたくなる

Zero Japanese ability here, how much did I just fuck by buying this?

>>20401005
Fuck up*

>>20401005
http://libgen.io/search.php?req=japanese+for+dummies

>>20401005
its actually not a bad book but you still gotta watch your 10000 hours of eng subbed anime or its all for naught

how do you keep track of who is talking right now?

also i see someone was paying attention

皆さん今何読めるの？
僕は寝取られ系ストーリーが好きから、この漫画は読むするべきと言われてけど、一応皆さんの意見が聞きたい。どうですか、正直に？おすすめなんですか？

女になりたい

>>20401052
you have to feel the nihongo

oh-hah-yohh goh-zah-ee-mah-soo

time to turn up boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKHIrqy_jZc

>>20401084
わかる
同人誌を読む時もよく女の視点から読みます…特に寝取られ同人誌。あああ、ぐちゃぐちゃに汚れたい…ということよくあるですよね。

https://twitter.com/PirukuruPiruo/status/1066532052231610368

what's dqn?

>>20401125
コイツだ >>20401123

>>20401130
は？何だこいつ

はーじゃねぇよカス

鏡で自分のこと見ろ
カスはおめえなんだろうが

真実の鏡に映るあなたの姿はどんな姿をしているのだろうね

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYmn3Gwn3oI

https://twitter.com/Showa__Shojo/status/1072466109012602882

>私たちは日本に､また来れて嬉しいです

Based Freddie

freddy had fuckin aids man

why do all the good people get aids

あら、お前にそっくりじゃないか

いいえ

わたしのホントの姿はこれ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yRme0C2pmI

何で黒人こんなゴミ好きなんでしょうか、まるで猿みたい

踊らされるのはあなたでしょう

Is it worth learning the other 4000 kanji outside of the N5-N1? My goal is to be able to read real literature and not LNs and VNs

after a certain point kanji arent gonna be what makes you good enough to read

童女と巨大な陰茎の関係性が好きです。

I think I'm literally unable to say 伝い at a conversational pace. Having trouble swapping from the づ sound so it keeps coming out づだい instead of づたい
Has anyone else found any words they have trouble pronouncing?

>>20401323
There are several ten thousands of kanji outside of jlpt n1. This should answer your question. And by the way, what the fuck do you mean when you say learn kanji

>>20400180
https://www.arintoko.com/entry/animal-ranking

>>20401525
Why do you think japs pronounce it right? Just use 沿い.

>>20398529
the dream of isolating myself in japan

>>20401525
>the づ sound
The vast majority of japs pronounce づ identically to ず. If you're not pronouncing it like that you're just making speaking harder on yourself while making your accent worse.

>>20401708
Really? I'd been pronouncing it Dzu similar to a Chinese Z

>>20401733
>Really?
Yes, only handful of areas in Japan differentiate between づ and ず. The same goes for ぢ and じ. Some dialects actually pronounce all four of those characters the same, but you shouldn't do that either.

In the deleted thread the was a passage of a book that said switching between english and japanese was not beneficial. Does that mean using english grammar guides is bad?

>>20401786
How will you understand a Japanese grammar guide if you can't understand Japanese? Millions of people have learned Japanese and become fluent before us. None of them cared about any of this stupid crap.

>>20398336
I thought everyone was joking when they said that taking a weekend break would fuck me up in the beginning.
Now i have 100 cards to review and i've forgotten about 40 of them.

>>20401786
the point was when its japanese time it needs to be japanese time

if you fuck around flip floppin all the time youre just gonna end up like this guy >>20401933

ill post the rest of the page before noobs get it twisted like they always do and they still will so this is actually in vain

theres so many good concepts here

>manga isn't reading...

>>20401933
That's nothing.
Do recognition cards with a 7-10s limit.
>>20398579

>Did RTK (600 Kanji in so far)
>Can remember Kanji easily from seeing keywords (meaning)
>But can't remember the meaning of a Kanji when i see it

Am i retarded or something? This is similar to how before RTK i would be able to recognize a Kanji within the context of a word, but if you had asked me to draw it from memory i wouldn't have been able to. Is this the same kind of memory recognition vs. production issue?

>>20401933
>100
Try 500. Hell the highest I had at one time was 600. And I NEVER take breaks i was just being a memester and did 100 new cards two times. Then 50 everyday for 3 months.

>>20402202
if you didnt write and read a lot replicating a kanji from memory is gonna be pretty rough

theres prolly a bunch of scrubs in here that cant even reproduce kana despite knowing them all

>>20402261
Well, that part of the post was about the past though. I was just reinforcing how production and recognition are two separate skills, and i was wondering if the same memory trap applies to me being able to reproduce kanji from their meaning but not being able to tell the meaning from seeing the kanji (even if i have learned it already) Maybe it's because i don't actually remember the Kanji from doing RTK, i just remember the stories and then they gradually form inside my head.

i mean theres a reason we in the linguistics community call it rtgay

What is the difference between 糞（ふん）and 糞(くそ)?

ones shit and the other is fun

>>20400158
https://itazuranekoyomi.neocities.org/library/shousetu/shou.html

Good grief, all this in a mere hour of reading manga.

lmao good grief indeed what a blunder

>>20402583
whoa i can read hiragana too

but can you

>>20402655
https://itazuranekoyomi.neocities.org/library/shousetu/shousetuseries/shou03/shou03_0166/shou03_0166.html#calibre_link-88
spooky

>>20402689
I'll define "blunder" with the aid of your face in a sec.

no u wont

how the fuck do you mine and review mined decks properly?
suppose you do 20 new words a day but you mined 100 new words that day, and then 100 the next etc. then the words will come up in anki 1 week later when you have already forgotten the context which will make it harder to remember. how the fuck do you catch up? or do you limit yourself to mining a maximum amount of words per day?

maybe you just dont be a flashtard and read more

>>20402888
I don't mine or atleast I don't actively mine. I just read bad enough I still have 12k words left in my 10k core deck (which for some reason was actually 22k)

>reading manga
lol

>>20402888
What do you mean "properly"? You don't necessarily have to introduce a card just because you mined it that day.

I've been using Anki for Japanese for years now and what I've ultimately settled for is simply adding new words as I see them, and if I see a card that I've already added at some point earlier but not introduced yet, I'll select that card and use Ctrl + Shift + S to move it to the top of the new cards queue by having Start position set at 0. It's a good way to prioritize relevant cards that show up often.

i wanna see that genki

I wish the core 2k/6k deck didn't have so inaccuracies and mistakes.

この人形とセックスしたい

>>20403077
like what?

>>20403176
for example it doesn't give any distinction between 空く and ただ even though they mean completely different things.

おはようおにいちゃん

ふゆのあめはつめたく

そつとほほをつたう

あのんもおなじあめをみているのでしょうか

>>20402888
By not mining every word you see. I used to mine everything but then I burnt out. Coming back it was like a psuedo premade deck but I still had a vague context behind the words. I now mine words that I see a few times or ones that leave an impression on me

>>20403157
わたしも！
じゃ、一緒に?

>>20403191
did you copy paste the wrong words

>>20404092
Yes, the other one was supposed to be 空き
The point still stands, 空き is free as in vacant, ただ is free as in gratis, yet the deck says just "free" for both.

Why are conjugations like たい and くない not actually listed as conjugations? This has confused me several times. Just had 見たくない in a text and because it's not listed as a conjugation i basically don't know how to pull it apart other than by adding たい and thinking of the negative. I'm assuming this is because たい turns shit into い adjectives or something?

there are no conjugations

>>20400230
not even people who like RTK like RTK book 2, so no

>>20402202
recall and recognition aren't the same and after learning to write kanji with RTK you'll fail to recall meaning from sight alone

This thread has been dead without me. I'll start posting again.

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1XiDGLYtzE6

>>20398344
Looks really fucking stupid. Imagine being tied to some stupid web app to feel rewarded for reading. I just read Dazai on the airplane and catch up on manga at home when I feel like it.

big brained idiot here how do I interpret できなくなる

becoming unable to do? my brain always wants to read なくなる as disappear

>>20404520
here u go dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KrkHr1g3TE#t=474

>>20404532
This is in english though. Or have I just become so good at japanese that it sounds like english?

How do you improve if no content is compelling? "Reading" may as well be anki repping to me, dryness and all.

>>20404557
you gotta draw the inference dude

>>20404520
Yes.

>>20404182
https://core6000.neocities.org/ says that 空き means "vacancy, free time"

Im arguing with someone about whether Japanese has conjugations or if it just utilizes helper verbs. We're both autistic but who is right?

>>20404811
the cutie reading this

>>20404825
Doushio... but I left it intentionally ambiguous which side I am!

its not an argument its a dictation

>Hate to say this but......... I see MIA being criticized for "over-complicating things"; could someone please point me to someone who has reached a high level of comprehensive fluency in Japanese using a "simple" process?
-M***, just tweeted
He's got a point.

It has no conjugations. させる, and every "conjugation", is an actual word attached to the stem to alter the meaning of the sentence.

>>20404900
>could someone please point me to someone who has reached a high level of comprehensive fluency in Japanese using a "simple" process?
no one can because those people are too busy enjoying their ability to use japanese to attention whore about it on social media lol

>>20404900
Hasn't he pretty much admitted that you can reach a high level through immersion alone? With anki being optional? If so, doesn't he already know that the additional steps he outlines (RTK, meditation) are superfluous?

>>20404900
tweet this back at him https://streamable.com/l6h0h

are った and ている conjugations?

>>20404953
いる is a word, anon.
て is arguable, it could have been a word a long time ago.

Recommend me an LN to start reading with. I'm at 1.5k words and need to read.

>>20405022
GJ部

geyline

>>20405022
1.5k words seen or matured?

>>20405022
Which words
What do you like
Cant you just eat manga instead?

>使わなくなったら
What the fuck does this character salad mean?
Can someone tell me what kind of conjugation of 使う this is supposed to be?

dont read geyline lest u get aids

>>20398463
Isn't matt perfect in japanese?

>>20405072
"if it's run out of uses"

idk i'm a beginner

>>20405078
not perfect but he was pretty close at one point, but like he said in his latest podcast, he took a year and a half break from japanese recently so he was rusty for awhile. now that he's been practicing pitch accent he's almost dogen level. they're prodigies.

>>20405083
why is your beginner japanese better than mine?
nooo this can't be happening i've been doing my reps with no actual immersion for 6 months!!

thats true dogen almost sounds like a believable anime character and matt just sounds like the weeb imitating one

>>20405032
Seen, around 1k mature

>>20405026
I've heard it's pretty boring but I'll give it a shot

>>20405072
>conjugation
You fucked up now, kiddo

>>20405133
oh i just realized that the thing behind 使わ is 無くなる which means to run short of.
Why the FUCK isn't that written in Kanji aaaah

>>20405083
>>20405072
たら at the end makes it a conditional too

>>20404900
Tae Kim
Cure Dolly

>>20401955
alright you know what tell me the name of this book im reading it
if nothing else it will help me more effectively tell all of you what to do
>>20404558
probably just give up sorry
>>20404811
the fun thing about systems of classification is that multiple can work reasonably well
>>20404900
listen and read and occasionally but just for fun read about the language but not because youre trying to fuckin memorize grammar trivia
>>20405114
thats a good way to put it
or as they said in my day qft

>>20405143
なくなる means become not existing you SCRUB

>>20404182
There are example sentences for a reason.

>>20405171
i actually dont know lol someone else posted it a long time ago

i think you can maybe ascertain who wrote it by some other information at the bottom of that page but i havent looked into the matter

also i remember when the kids used to say qft lol

how many flashcards have you done and how much of this do you understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5y4L4bneyM#t=77

>>20405171
>probably just give up sorry
Come on dude you gotta help me.

>>20405227
didnt notice how easy to find it is
beginning japanese from yale language series
>>20405261
you can keep looking for something you can stomach but if theres nothing do you really want to know japanese or are you just convinced that at the end there will be so much waiting for you

Is this what these runes mean?

>>20405261
Compelling content is the secret sauce mane. If theres no content you're intersted in then you may not make it

>>20405363
it says "dont even bother posting if you dont know kana"

>>20405391
I do know kana, it's just funny how they use furigana like that.

>>20405143
Helper verbs aren't typically written in kanji. You'll just have to get used to it.

>>20405399
i agree and i also discovered i am dyslexic

>>20405370
It's not fair. I wanna learn even if the content isn't compelling.

>>20405302
Oh yeah I have "Japanese The Spoken Language" from that series/author. It's got some good information on pitch accent, although I'm sure everyone here thinks that you should just listen to 10万 hours of H!P to get the accent right.

>>20405410
Why do you want to learn if there's nothing you want to use it for? Go play video games or something.

>>20405417
Video games are boring too.

>>20404558
>>20405261
>>20405410
>>20405420
https://youtu.be/5WfZ0BNVxVQ?t=319

>>20405399
Furigana does not denote how to pronouce kanji, it denotes what the person says. It.is called GBA but you only say the Advance part.

>>20405460
>Furigana does not denote how to pronouce kanji, it denotes what the person says
my mind is blown if this is true

>>20405446
who's this dekinai and why can't he pronounce ghibli?

>>20405471
If you read Medaka Box, the kanji of Kumagawa's power is 大嘘憑き but the furigana is オールフィクション (All Fiction) despite the kanji (and hiragana, obviously) not able to be pronounced that way.

>>20405460
What about the when the "furigana" is also Kanji?
Furiganji?

>>20405692
dont believe ive seen this without the reading of the kanji being unambiguous
furigana is still what was said

how do i fix my calibre, it opens .azw3 with really shitty font

>>20405446
this guy gets more based every time i see him its unreal
in 20 years if this guy hasnt become the next kaufmann in terms of popularity life is truly unfair

>>20405716
thats just how calibre renders vertical text what is there a problem with it
ask the devs to fix i18n but they wont

You also get furigana that doesn't match the kanji sometimes in hentai when the girl has slurred speech from being fucked so hard.

>>20404900
i know several tens of people who learned japanese by literally reading/listening a lot and looking up stuff they felt like looking up

that is a LOT simpler than matt's fucked up and pointless recommendations

>>20405719
then what software should i use use for .azw3? Amazon kindle worked normally with vertical text?

>>20402677
>>20405538
Manga isn't reading though.

Anon NEET here I only focused on learning kanji.
2 months and I know about 950 Kanji with their readings
Still haven't read anything about gramma and just know few vocab with kanji how fucked up am I?

>>20405963
You don't know any Japanese.

>>20405963
not too late yet just read the guide

>>20405963
When do you plan on learning Japanese?

>>20405977
you mean the guide that doesnt say read more until after introducing every single distraction you could possibly do
yeah good advice
>>20405963
listen and read
read and listen
other shit can make a small impact but is not learning japanese
ima made gambatteitanai yo ne
demo ima kara gambaro

>>20405724
his anki recommendations are good. I have no idea what else he says but that stuff is legit.

>>20406001
I plan to learn first a good amount of kanji maybe 1.5k or 2k and start with the gramma and vocab

>>20406003
I try listening some songs and try to transcribe them with kanji included. I'm getting good at it
I try to read while browsing weebs things in the internet

Where the fuck do I japanese game torrents? Do these slimy faggots not believe in free shit?

>>20406040
>I plan to learn first a good amount of kanji
you cant know kanji without knowing words
you cant know words without being able to understand sentences using them in context
if youre going to choose to continue kanji cards anyway because you think it will make it easier its up to you just know what youre doing
i did most of jouyou kanji and i wish i stopped earlier because the only thing it helped me do was visually identify components in kanji easier and it stopped making me better at that by 500 oh and i can usually guess stroke order right what a neat party trick
learning words that use kanji ive never seen before is easy though
make your own decision and own it just my two cents

>>20406069
wah why can't I steal food from developer's mouths easily

It's been too long since I wasted time making a dekinai meme.

>>20406069
>>20406076
both of you look equally stupid

>>20406081
Give me the free games nigger.

>>20406076
If he's talking about console games the developers are paid already, all the money goes to the publishers or whoever owns the rights now.
Or if the game is out of print and not sold digitally to ebay scalpers.

>>20406150
are you saying the publishers or whoever bought the rights dont deserve to eat

>>20406154
Yes, people who buy bundles of rights just to sit on them don't deserve to eat.

>Publisher pays developer to make a game
>It doesn't sell
>Publisher decides never to give that developer work again/never let them make that kind of game again
It's not rocket science.

>>20406154
of course they don't. copyright being transferable is a mistake and it should only last a few years

>>20406162
Publishers do that even if the games sell so your point is moot.

>>20406159
>>20406165
yeah i agree just checking
>>20406201
thats why we love them
publishers also ruin good development teams by putting their fingers in the soup

Listening is impossible.

英訳中なんですけど
ちょっと質問があって誰か手伝ってくれないか？

このパネル読めるけど、意味がちょっと理解できなくて
「誰も居ない所で
貰ったり泣いたり
気味が悪い」
読めるけど英語に翻訳するのがわたしには難しい

Just realized that だから is だ + から

>>20406520
きみがわるい

>>20407207
>How do you respond to this
Try to say こんにちは and stutter then run away

>>20407253
But I've been reading for 5 years and am already fluent.

>>20407207
just memorize these bars and recite em from memory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5y4L4bneyM#t=77

>>20407173
You can say anything you want without any consequences.

>>20407260
Was he trying to make a loli swallow?

>>20407278
Using an avatar is against the rules, fuck off.

>>20407418
I gotchu 黒人. Just say 私はゲイです

>>20407426
Hey wait just a minute.
I'd prefer to use Ore over Watashi

>madamada
>perapera
meme language

This was written on a white board at my workplace. Nobody knows I know any Japanese. What does it say? はり？What is that supposed to mean?

>>20407432
just use watasi unless you really wanna drive the point you dont know japanese home

Where did the expression 猫舌 come from anyway? Do people actually try to serve hot food/drink to their cats? Seems like an odd thing to do.

>>20407478
they're calling you out. They were right because you couldn't even read hiragana

Where did the expression 猫背 come from anyway? Do people actually think cats are bipeds? Seems like an odd thing to believe.

Boobies + neck = titties
??????

>>20407775
バカなの？

Where did the expression バカ come from anyway? Do people actually think horses and deer are stupid? Seems like an odd thing to believe.

>>20407830
同じでしょう

Where did the expression "odd" come from anyway? Do people actually think things not divisible by 2 are strange or out of place? Seems like an odd thing to believe.

>>20407841
We, or just I, seem to be confused here.
By "you mean nipples" which part were you referring to? Boobies or titties?

>>20407857
Yeah, titties = nipples right
Or are you saying it's not plural.
In any case, I still don't understand why the nips decided that boob + neck = nipple

>>20407867
Have you considered that neck doesn't mean what you think it does?

>>20407878
Not seeing the connection.

>>20407880
So necks are nipples. Thanks for enlightening me anon senpai.

顔

what was your story for this? i stole the one from koohii where the boy is standing on a cliff watching mystique bathe in a lake below and then he accidentally falls and smashes his head

>>20407899
dude i've been here since may are you serious?

>>20407934
i can recognize it instantly as what it is but that doesn't mean i can visualize it wtf...

>>20407934
Can you write 顔? Probably not. The stories help with writing much more than they do with just recalling the meaning.

Which ero doujin is good reading practice?

are there any eceleb doujinshi?

yea i made it

>>20407941
IF you see it enough you can probably summon it up from memory

IDGAF about writing since I mostly want to read more tho

>>20407979
Guess what retard, they weren't talking about you.

爆笑

>>20408143
そんなことはチキンラーメンばかりを食べていることのとうぜんのけっかであろう

ファック　結婚とファック　殺す

>>20408226
文法ちょっと変じゃない？

>>20408242
おめえ変なやつだな

>>20407948
Well, here I go

>>20408294
にゃんで

>>20408295

>>20408312
>He can't read Chinese

>>20408369
>何も読めない

>何もわかっちゃいない

I have finished core6k, mined like 1k words yet i'm still mining 2 words at least per page reading the first volume of Haruhi.

I thought this was supposed to be entry level?

>>20408474
just keep going. the words will run out at some point

>>20408534
It's like ね but for edgy fags

>>20408534
nah as in no

If i have specific kanji that i've been stuck on for a while, is it worth applying RTK to those specific ones?

>>20408474
you mean after spending months droning words like 政策 and 大使館 you can't read 100% of a novel?!

lol i did flash cards now im supposed to be able to read and comprehend things meant for native japanese people right ?

>>20408578
You have to READDDDD

明々後日Looks like a name

>>20408583
Sure, so if you're interested in reading the news you don't need to drone them because they'll keep showing up. If you're interested in reading most light novels you don't need to drone them because they'll never show up. Either way the core whatever K is a waste of life.

*ankidrones 20k words*
hehe see you in hell "nihongoers"

minna nihongo fuck urselfs : )

>>20408583
Right, if you wanna read the news, definitely learn those words

And then understand that you're gonna meet a shit ass ton of words that are not used there when you read various LNs

You eventually wanna learn all the words, but you can't expect to learn them all unless you go find them.

Most people won't need to know what a 三味線 is, 按摩、or what 稽古 is (just 勉強・ 練習・訓練・特訓) but dammit you'll NEED to learn it pretty quick when you start reading shit like 雪国 since you're in fucking 芸者 land now. You'll need to know 跨がる、裾、木々、袖、草原、腿、腰、 and more when you go to read キノの旅 since the author describes her and her environs every single story.

You don't need to remember it all perfectly the first time, or even the 10th time, but you do need to see them over and over again and learn how they sound, because there may come a day when you're reading a novel that heavily favors describing 瞳・頬・眼(まなこ)・睫毛・額・唇 and you'll wanna know this shit. Or maybe some dude in your book keeps 媚びる　with some 女 by lifting his 眉.

You've gotta know them all but don't stress, just read more.

Anyways don't actually read this post, go back and do your reps.

>>20408604
lmao

>>20408652
Woah

>>20408652
behold flashtards

>>20408652
yeah, I ain't reading all that shit.

>>20408675
because you can't

reading manga is giving me a fucking headache

>>20408703
>よんでる
ああ問題を発見した
漫画は読みじゃないんですよ
読んでみたい方がいいとオモいます。

>>20408729
lol behold the true form of manga isnt reading fag LMAO

>>20408855
you really did just brag about being better than anki users just because you could find some half rare kanji on jisho.org didn't you

>>20408864
dude now you're gonna call ME a samefag? com e the fuck on...

>>20408869
are you ok

>>20408789
飛行機以外の乗り物で行けばどうするか

Daily Bully Thread.

i didn't read for a month but when i started again things felt slightly easier to understand. why?

>character says ものすごい
>on the next page he says it again but it's spelled もの凄い

why is Japanese like this why can't they be consistent

because

people are lazy

or alternative kanji mean things : )

how do you guys practice reading on your phone
is there an app that allows for tapping words to quick-lookup the reading?
otherwise switching between a reader and a dictionary takes far too much time

>>20409066
Non-kanji form and kanji forms can be used like that no problem in my opinion, but shit like using 生かす and then later 活かす both in contexts where the nuances dont even matter is bullshit.

>>20409083
i have a really hard time seeing 凄い mean something different from すごい

fuck off jamal stick to memes

>>20409127
>think something
honestly what the fuck do you mean

方歳

>>20409136
whats ur issue

>>20409127
I noticed when its a young charterer they dont use kanji maybe to imply they wouldnt know that kanji themselves.

god not that fuckin text file again

>>20409521
>he doesn't store his shit in plaintext

i only read yotuba for the window girl

>>20409541
Ive talking about lns. fruit of grisai uses a lot of uncommon kanji but often uses katakana when Makina is yelling shit.

thats because makina is ftw

>>20409084
There's Wakaru on iOS. I don't know how well the Kindle app works for lookups but it might be worth trying.

We're all gonna make it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzhaEDzdrw#t=13

>>20402677
Do you actually keep track of the kanji you read? Why?

youre supposed to keep all the animes youve watched listed in a text file

not random words and phrases with bad tls

still posting weak shit 笑
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghERYc94XO4

ぽかりかってきた

さむけがすごい

I just droned 9.5k words and don't feel like reading anything. I don't feel like listening to anything. I don't feel like watching anything. I just want to sleep.
Why did I start this?

>>20410564
What's the point of doing so many at once?
Spaced repetition is the key, not bruteforcing everything at once.

>>20410390
im glad you prefaced your link so i knew what to expect

Hey y'all

I just finished my first semester of japanese at my university. I'm graduating so moving forward I'll be learning on my own. I finished the first four chapters of Nakama I and learned about 150 words, but only a handful of kanji.

Where do I go next?

>>20410868
>so many at once?
Sorry, my sense of time is messed up. I've been slow burning for a couple years and just came to my 9500th card. I haven't read a single thing except the example sentences I steal from dictionaries.

>>20410896
Cmon now, why are you even learning the language if you're not going to use it?

this year's kanji

thank you. i feel better now.
>>20410916
That's what I'm wondering.

>>20410955
that single missing day must hurt a lot

>>20410976
Nah, that day is today -- I always do my reps before going to sleep.
>>20410983
>うれしい
Nice touch.
One of these days I'll play through Chrono Trigger.

>>20411008
It's just something I happened to search for, I've had it as a card already but I forgot what it meant.

>>20411038
You should watch more anime famalam.
釜を掘る

>>20407207
僕の名前はピーターではあります。よろしくお願いします。毎日ケーキがお箸で食べたら日本語が上手くなります。貴様は何故下手なぁ？
>>20407260
congratulations on learning that semen has sugars
if they meant standard household granulated sugar they probably would have said 砂糖
"sugar" can be just as generic in english
>>20409023
some combination of eliminating fatigue and sleeping on your gains probably all i know is it happens
>>20410057
if you cant remember all the animes youve watched you dont deserve to nihongo wakaru
youre supposed to keep all your favorite lines and disses in a text file so you can relive them from time to time
>>20410564
>im not learning japanese so hard that it burnt me out on actually learning japanese too
>>20410896
oh nevermind you cant be burnt out on something youve never done</wbr>

>>20411008
Chrono trigger is like n2 so you will be fine

>>20406499
Listen at half speed first then make it faster in increments. People will meme that it's a bad idea but the facts are that going slower gives your brain more processing time so it can get use to what sounds make what words. Don't listen to some guy who shoots off at 50kph.

ねつでたから

がっこうやすんで

ゲームしてたら

みつかった

i can't drag myself away from other aspects of my life long enough to read for very long each day anymore so i've made do by keeping dojg open on my phone and reading a few entries whenever i have a minute
i keep telling myself that that's enough for me to at least not completely forget everything but at the same time i can feel the nihongo slipping thru my fingers and it hurts!

>>20408703
Cool story but manga isn't reading.

my super efficient mining method just discovered

reading a physical LN
see unkown word
write furigana into discord server with only me in it (who needs word files)
mine it later on PC


also do you guys mine every word you don't know when reading? my super efficient method can get tiring. i feel like i was making more gains before i started mining because i was just reading even if i didnt know and then could later work it out or my reading comprehension was increasing anyway. maybe next time ill mine what im reading for 10 minutes, then just read without mining til i am finished for the day

>>20411484
I prefer my method
>reading physical LN
>see unknown word
>in page margins write brief japanese definition or draw a pic
>write furigana if necessary
>re-read sections of LN to "drill" those words

Likewise if I'm used to a word that's usually printed with furigana (esp easy shit like 頷く) I'll cross out the existing furigana and go from there.

Watching anime won't help you to be able comprehend what japs say. Watch variety shows or news instead.

>>20411484
>write furigana into discord server with only me in it (who needs word files)
God I hate people.

Also mining every single unknown word is incredibly inefficient. Just mine things you know you've seen at least once before.

>>20411484
>i feel like i was making more gains before i started mining because i was just reading even if i didnt know
you probably were
looking up the right words can be valuable but if its starting to cut into the number of comprehensible sentences you get through in a day theres obviously going to be a loss in gains

>>20410983

>>20411497
This is why I like LingQ, the best online language resource! At LingQ we can turn blue words (unseen words) into yellow words (seen words) so we know that we've seen them in context before and we should pay more attention to them. LingQ truly is the best language acquisition method out there!

>>20411495
Like 95% of spoken language has a shared core that is more or less the same across any context. The other 5% is going icing on top that will be different in any context. People don't talk like news reporters in every day life either. Just watch what you want to watch and stop sweating the details until you get good enough to actually be able to notice where your gaps are.

>>20411497
zoomers aren't people

>>20411513
I mean, news are pretty much useful for business related stuff while variety show is pretty much how normal people talk. Nobody talk like anime characters. Drama and Movie are somewhat acceptable.

>>20411515
>Nobody talk like anime characters
This literally doesn't matter.

>>20411515
it's more likely that I'll speak Japanese while trying to do a shitty anime impression than talk to an actual Japanese person about normal things

>>20411515
>Nobody talk [sic] like anime characters
And? I have a Belgian friend who learned English by watching Spongebob and nobody talks like Spongebob, but his English is perfect.

>>20411532
Did he at least pick up the laugh?

>>20411551
He picked up the smile

>>20411555
Also good. Fist him for me next time you see him.

>>20411515
you think im learning nihongo to talk to nihonjin thats pretty funny

>>20411532
american cartoons are pretty much just sitcom and that's how american speaks. So what if Simpsons or Spongebob? No different.

https://youtu.be/ef5UxaOdjE4?t=253

>was listening to the second track
>wasn't able understand any English words at all
>somehow was able to understand that one lyric in japanese perfectly

D-did I do this right guys? I just sacrificed the inferior language for the better right?

>>20411584
>that's how american speaks.

>>20411584
>English speakers speak like Spongebob
Gosh golly, I'm sorry you think that, buddy! Oh no, look at the time! I have to go meet a friend! I'm ready! I'm ready! I'm ready!

>>20411596
>>wasn't able understand any English words at all
its barely even english innit
could be worse mos def
i forgot how ftw this was though

>>20411620
as someone who couldnt even learn english you sound like the person to trust

ことごとく失敗してしまった

How do you translate this?

>>20411656
i accidentally the whole thing

>>20411596
>>20411606
are you ninjas ready to encounter the final boss of eigo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v62zegzhJY

>>20411620
>This fucking guy
If you're going to argue about English, learn to speak/write it first, baby.

>>20411664
what was the verb here? won't it be accidentally failed?

>>20411711
i accidentally did the entirely blunder

>>20411687
I'm arguing that 10000 hours of subbed anime is useless. And the argument that "but my friend watched Spongebob and he became perfectly fluent in English"? That was totally unrelated because unlike American cartoons, how anime character speaks is totally different to how real people talk. If you want to know grammar and vocab, just watch variety shows and news instead of anime.

>>20411716
>That was totally unrelated because unlike American cartoons, how anime character speaks is totally different to how real people talk.
imagine knowing so little japanese that you actually think this

>>20411716
>That was totally unrelated because unlike American cartoons, how anime character speaks is totally different to how real people talk.
you dont know japanese so why are you having this discussion
stop parroting what you read in a youtube comment

>>20411715
thanks

>>20411719
You're welcome.

>>20411733
dont take credit for my hard work you capitalist

>>20411735
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.

Most japanese can't even understand the language used in anime because it is so unrelated to the normal language. Otaku have to go to special cram school to be able to understand it.

alright, since you weebs like anime so much here is your new shitkai movie, oops I mean shinkai. It looks like shit desu senpai.

>this thread

>>20411745
> It looks like shit desu senpai.
Of course it does, it's a Shinkai project.

>>20411730
>>20411718
>>20411717
>>20411716
>>20411620
>>20411605
>>20411604
>>20411532
>>20411519

The difference with English is that there are literally people who speak exactly like the shit you see on TV and in Cartoons. While we might give native speakers some shit for choosing to talk in a strange way (like deliberately doing Shakespearean style speech) the truth is that if you're an ESL and you're making an effort, it's ok no matter what words you're using. We're pretty damn good at figuring out what you mean even if you have no idea how to express it, or use some janky words to explain it.

Since we in the Anglo world EXPECT everyone else to speak English, we aren't gonna be blown away and give fake 上手's out because most likely we either A) don't notice or B) don't care how rough your English is and don't feel the need to let you know how you're doing.

In fact, I honestly can't remember the last time I remarked on anyone's English skill besides native speakers who make dumbshit mistakes like there/their/they're tier errors, and I LIVE with 80% people who either speak no English or have it as a 2nd/3rd/4th language.

>>20411771
what does joozu have to do with anything
why do you think they give a shit if youre bad or that they would have a hard time understanding 我が名はエプシロンだぜ

ねつさがんない

あしたもけっせきかも

if you learn japanese by reading youll talk like written japanese
dont permanently cripple yourself learn japanese only by speaking to salarymen

In early August I deleted my mining deck and started a new one because I didn't bother editing my cards and I had something like 50-65% correct on matures.

New cards: 20
Starting ease: 180%
Interval modifier: 80%
leech threshold is 99 and leech action is tag only because I know from the mining deck I had before this one that literally every card will leech eventually.
I have an add-on installed: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2074758752 because I'm incapable of telling how many seconds pass before I give an answer. I also have the addon to automatically show the answer after a set amount of seconds.
I modified the settings of both or maybe just one of them to make it work like this:
under 5 seconds: "good" highlighted, hitting enter selects "good"
5-15 seconds: "hard" highlighted, hitting enter selects "hard"
after 15 seconds the answer automatically displays. (easy isn't used)
After the answer shows up I look at the word and the definition (and reading if there's no audio for the word), and then look at the word again and read it out in my head because it seems like I don't remember the word if I don't.

I do my anki session right at the start of each day, and do two custom study reviews of cards forgotten that day right before sleep. I read for 10-13 hours every day. I'm very meticulous about editing every one of my cards and only mine 20 each day so that I learn them the next day while they're still fresh in my memory and I attach screenshots from the line that I mined the word from to each card to keep the context in my memory and also make anki less painful.
</wbr>

>>20411872
Before you don't bother reading this post, just know that the point of it is to ask for advice (advice I'm asking for is at the bottom of the post)

>>20411872
I'm sure remembering the image associated with the word is super helpful and lets you ignore the kanji.

>>20411872
>Only 56 mature cards after more than 4 months of 20 new cards/day
>I know from the mining deck I had before this one that literally every card will leech eventually.
You're doing something wrong anon.

>>20411887
The screenshots are only on the back of the card.

Imagine learning a language just to consume weeb trash. Yikes.

>>20411905
Most people who attempt learning a language do it for poor reasons. Who gives a shit?

>>20411872
Also
>After the answer shows up I look at the word and the definition (and reading if there's no audio for the word), and then look at the word again and read it out in my head because it seems like I don't remember the word if I don't.
applies to all cards, not just ones that are shown automatically after 15 seconds of no answer.

>>20411888
If I am I don't know what it is. I'm pretty sure this is just the limitation of my brain. Even if I'm literally incapable of learning Japanese there's no point in living if I don't so I'm just going to keep spending all of my time trying to learn it for the rest of my life.

is やから だからin kansai ben?

>>20411905
"weeb trash" is literally the only worthwhile thing in the world to me so it's not a bad reason. Nothing else is entertaining. And actually "weeb trash" is the truest reflection of human nature in the world and everything else is meme shit.

I've found myself an overnight job where I'm basically alternating having 30-40 minutes to fuck around and 15-20 minutes to be focused on doing work, so I'd like to fill that downtime with bite sized Japanese lessons on my phone.
I've been fucking about with Duolingo, but it's kind of crap, and I can only stomach so much Anki in a night. Any recommendations for apps or methods to make the most of this?

>>20411938
Read Japanese content.

>>20411905
And honestly I feel bad for you because you're basically just living one big meme if you say things like this.

>>20411965
absolutely degenerate