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>>20281777
Guides and resources
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

僕を殺してください

Where can I find Japanese subs for hentai? I want to subs2srs some to increase my vocabulary.

>>20289167
>僕
出来ない

>>20289097
#2051

The correct first person pronouns are atashi and uchi

>>20289276
おいら is better.

Dropping in to say that Dolly is unironically the best Japanese teacher on youtube. After just one hour I now understand the difference between は and が, I've come to understand the existence of the magical zero-particle, and I have been enlightened that my view on だけ and しか were all wrong.

>>20289276
soregashi and ware are all you need

0bey lmao

>tfw your book/manga order arrives
Man I don't know what it is about unpacking new books but it still gets me really giddy. Reading on my Kindle is also fun but it just doesn't compare, especially for things with illustrations.
I couldn't imagine what it's like to live in Japan and just be able to go to the store down the road whenever you want and pick up whatever you want. All without annoying shipping costs and having to wait multipe weeks for it to arrive. But even like this it feels really freaking good.

my favorite is all those guys who buy books open them for 5 mins and go man this sux i cant read japanese

welp time to go on djt all day :D

or in the case of this guy buys books that he can read but doesnt because he has discipline and self control issues

i wanna crack that binding so bad

Yoshi 時間 to read

>>20289286
how did you not understand だけ and しか or better yet だけしか : )

>>20289475
not my fault tae kim is so bad

>>20289524
i just mean isnt it all pretty straightforward if you just do your 10000 hours of subbed anime like a good little foot soldier

はあ？
俺はtableの上のドーナッツはチョコ味だけしか食べてねえよ！

Lucas the polyglot.

lucas the fatshit

>>20289549
wtf I'm spooked now
誰

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxEtJ9MimzI

>>20289167
>41.8%
If that's a regular thing then better rethink your methods.

>>20289572
i knew youd be back someday

Yeah, sorry I was banned for a while.
Really missed you all

heartfelt おかえり

calvins gone again oh no

Am I fine?

>>20289654
You can try going a bit faster. Is it your first week?

>>20289665
Nope, it's my second week. During the first week I had the steps set at 1 10 but since I changed it to 1 1 10 I could actually feel the heat.

Did any of you write any notes while reading Tae Kim or did you just read through it.

>>20289801
I wrote them at the earlier lessons but I got tired of writing and just read through it knowing that I'm just gonna forget it in the end

i didnt know of tay tay till i found djtay and when i tried to read it some of it made sense and the rest just twisted and mangled nihongo

do vjg instead or at least watch dolly chan sensei as well as watch 10000 hours of english subbed anime for best prospect at learning nihongo

>>20289815
Is it possible to get a straight answer for once from this thread?

>>20289849
Believe me or not, it's what actually happened to me. Grammar will never stick to you unless you immerse yourself with the language, while constantly referring to guides when you encounter them. I got stuck to reading Hanahira while using https://ichi.moe to guide me with basic grammar.

But hey, do whatever floats your boat.

>>20289849
why would you expect a straight answer to such a gay question

Reminder to set your Interval Modifier to 150%

>>20289873
But what does this actually do?

>>20289877
Optimizes the SRS

>>20289887
brb setting internal modifier to 200%

>>20289877
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq4SGw_L-c4#t=20

>>20289893
Only if you know what you're doing

>>20289901
I just want to try it for one day

>>20289910
It's debatable if one should also set the graduating interval to 2 days if you set IM to 200%, what do you think?

>>20289928
It looks counterproductive and only something a braindead person who needs 8 years to learn Japanese would do.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/v1lqbgzo3yq7v59/craptasticjapanese.wav

what was the consencus on this, can toitlet hair actually speak nihongo?

>>20289969
are you really gonna make me download that thing i already know he cant

>>20289969
sounds better than brit to me at least

How do you set up the filter to filter out all posts that start with lower case letters?

trip report deleted it after 30 seconds nope

>Read more about Interval Modifiers
>Read about Ebbinghaus’s forgetting curve (New Modifier = Current Modifier * log(desired success ratio) / log(current success ratio)
>Use it and get 54% IM
I-Is this alright?

>>20289982
What numbers did you plug in

>>20289987
100 x (log .85/ log.74)

>>20289982
whatever you do don't set that shit to 150%, it pretty much ruined my life

>>20289996
Is it your 2nd week? You don't have a mature rate yet.

>>20290013
That's right. I'm the guy that posted >>20289747
. It feels like I won't be able to recognize any of these words when I actually read them.

>>20289996
Why are you aiming for 85%?

hello how do I remember kana better please and thank you

>>20290024
That's unlikely to be the case but you can try now and find out.

>>20290032
I'm being realistic by not making it 90 and burning out

What other languages do you know besides Japanese?

>>20290049
Other than my native language, I know English and Turkish

>>20290049
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1XiDGLYtzE6

>tfw you will never be the ichiban tsuyoi gaijin

thats right if you wanna be the best you gotta beat the best

like lucas

>>20290053
why t*rkish?

>>20289969
I lasted about 5 seconds before cringing

>>20290098
I studied there for four years, and their language is miles easier compared to Japanese

>>20290106
i actually died within 10 seconds but i was like ok hes stringing together every word he knows lets see if it goes somewhere and by 30 seconds it was just gibberish

who the fuck is lucas the new matt or the new jamal perhaps

>>20290043
Just leave it at 100% dude, your retention rate is fine

出来ない

>>20290119
the fat fuckin br who is the cofounder of epic language learning method "mia"

I practice Japanese by reading JAV covers

>>20290129
problem with this is they are so hot sometimes that i jack off before even watching the pixelated porno

>leave djt for a while
>come back
>people are now using 出来ない instead of dekinai
progress

>>20289584
It's not, I've been slacking for a while and I just decided to push through all my backlog.

guess who's black
black again

jamal?

let's translate some classic songs to japanese

datte baby baby baby ohhhhh
tte baby baby baby nooooo
tte baby baby baby ohhhhhh

>>20289318
>I couldn't imagine what it's like to live in Japan and just be able to go to the store down the road whenever you want and pick up whatever you want. All without annoying shipping costs and having to wait multipe weeks for it to arrive.

As a /vr/ + /mu/ hobbyist this is what truly sealed the deal for me and made me finally decide to start learning. If I had a house or apartment anywhere in Japan within walking distance of a HARD-OFF store, I would be set for life.

>>20290507
What's your favourite japcore album?

>>20289887
No it doesn't.

>>20289982
>>20290378
Who the fuck are you quoting?
>>>/a/

stfu

>>20289999
but what does it do?

increases the multiplier at which you dont learn japanese

So I've been doing 150% for almost two weeks now and it feels pretty good. My retention is definitely down a bit but I've just been more chill about it and don't sweat it because I know reading/watching is how I really learn the words. It's definitely reduced the time I spend in Anki which I like because reps are my least favorite part of this whole learning process

>>20290484
って is of the highest form of language

>>20291018
Wait until you realize you don't need Anki at all. Infinitely more relaxing and fun every day.

>>20291027
That's my long term goal but for now SRS+mnemonic is my cheapshot way of cramming a bunch of nonsense sounds into my brain so that I'm primed to hear it in my animu

imagine being so delusional that you think you can learn japanese like you learn english or any other non symbol based language without the help of srs

imagine being this delusional ↑

today's nihongo: money ga hoshii. i want money. money ga hoshii. i want money. elisa, money ga hoshii. ok shachou, money wo douzo. arigatou, elisa. next time, we learn how to ask for lobster at the restaurant.

>>20291045
Dunno what your long term is but if you're a year in already you should definitely drop it.

>>20291120
Bad advice.

>>20291120
Good advice.

>>20291120
great advice

『ウケケケ！　臭くてたまんねー！　こんな地獄までやってきて助けてあげた俺っちは聖獣の鑑じゃん？』
This is a segment of speech from a web novel. Context is someone who just woke up to two people who hung themselves and excrement scattered around on the floor.

ウケケケ sounds like laughing to me, but maybe it's supposed to be coughing?


聖獣の鑑 have no idea what "model sacred beast" could be implying. Reference to something? "Before we enter this hell isn't our sacred beast supposed to save us?" Does this sound right?

>>20291137
>>20291140
This kind of samefag shitposting doesn't make you clever. It just makes you retarded.

>>20291134
>>20291150
This kind of samefag shitposting doesn't make you clever. It just makes you retarded.

>>20291137
>>20291140
>>20291157
This kind of samefag shitposting doesn't make you clever. It just makes you retarded.

>>20291150
you couldnt spot a samefag if you replied to yourself

Should I be mining every unfamiliar word?

anyway this? >>20291120 epic advice ftw

>drop anki
>see new word
>"ha ha i will just remember it"
>see it again 9 months later
>have to look it up again
>meanwhile if you had been doing anki you would have remembered it right away
do anti-anki people have any stance beyond "it's not fun so i dont do it"

imagine being so retarded that you think thats how things actually work

>>20289849
Honestly it was exhausting doing notes so I dropped it.

>>20291182
What's the problem of looking it up again? If you didn't see it in 9 months of reading every day for several hours it must be pretty fucking useless.

>>20291190
i mean dont get me wrong i dropped anki myself because it wasn't fun but i dont have any delusions that i'm retaining vocab at the same rate that anki people are retaining vocab. i'm probably reading more than them which is fine and all but it's sure lame to have to constantly look words up when i know that if i'd just been using anki i wouldn't need to
like "just read more" doesn't retain words at the same rate dude no matter how much you plug your ears and say it does

>>20291192
You can change the interval to whatever time you want and his point holds.

>>20291182
Who are you quoting?

>>20291225
it would seem to me that you are being obtuse so that you dont have to face the fact that dropping anki is inefficient

you dont need to remember words you need to get used to situations where words are used

>>20291221
No it doesn't. If it's a significantly shorter time span/you encounter the word regularly you remember it, if it's longer then it's even more useless.

>>20289801
TL;DR: don’t make notes, let yourself forget it and just relearn it when you come across it again.
Very rarely do I make grammar notes, and when I do it’s more of brainstorming step for when I can’t just intuit the meaning after thinking about it for a few minutes.
When I first started, sure I made notes about every grammar point I learned, but it’s a rookie mistake. Just look it up again if you come across it but forgot what it meant. If anything you’ll recognize it but won’t be able to recall the meaning, Which makes remembering it seem more important thus creating a subconscious impetus to remember it.
According to opponent-process theory, doing something initially unpleasant (not remembering a grammar point) which is followed by something pleasant (satisfaction of solving an ‘important’ problem) will increase motivation. Trying to never forget grammar so you won’t encounter forgotten grammar on the other hand is done through rote memorization which has an secondary process of becoming boring, therefore lowering motivation.

>>20291239
nope you're completely wrong. i know firsthand after reading every day that i couldn't retain even the most basic words that i was being exposed to every several sentences as well as when i put them into anki or skipped ahead in a premade deck and reviewed them early.

>>20291239
your idea here is based entirely around the idea that there is such a thing as "words you dont need to know"
you can not know how infrequently a word will appear
even moege with highschool girls will have them give you a lesson on economics using jargon that you don't know

>>20291233
I agree that you shouldn't drop Anki, but I'm also of the opinion that using the quote function like say anything meme arrows is a bad idea.

>>20291257
weird hill to die on since you'll never discourage it and people will forever continue to do it.

and a "nip nong ching chong ding dong ping pong" to you too

>>20291257
considering the people itt have rank 0 brainpower and can't understand anything more complicated than predigested greentext meme arrow sentence fragments i generally dont feel like its worth spending time writing out proper arguments when the only response i'm gonna get is "maynga isnt reading" which is mega lame or "rap video" which is extremely epic win

did someone ask for some epic win https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qdxfJIz4E

>>20291111
Is this satire or a real Pimsleur quote?

What are you guys currently reading? Going through Jintai and WA2, Romeo and Maruto are kicking my ass but it's worth it.

>>20291251
Sounds like you have a learning disorder, or, probably more likely, don't look up words properly to engrave them in your memory. Hovering over with rikai for 2 seconds is not looking up.
>>20291255
That doesn't happen, sorry. I don't even know what "economics" jargon would be used that isn't very common anyways. Do you mean stuff like 経営 or 経済？ Because those are common words you will encounter multiple times a month, enough to permanently remember them after the second or third time at most. Also once you learn most common words through reading a lot, you'll find it a lot easier to remember specialized words on the first encounter due to shared kanji and whatnot.

>>20291295
Finishing aokana before I go back to Monogatari

>>20291182
>dont see a word for nine months
>"fuck i should have memorized this important word"

>>20291288
you've really been into this song lately huh jamal?

>>20291310
>that doesn't happen, sorry
opening a book or vn and suddenly being hit with a topic you don't know words about "doesn't happen?" damn i guess core2k really is enough to be fluent

>>20291322
"appears infrequently" doesn't mean "unimportant" if you don't recognize a word in a sentence it goes from "the catfish jumped" to "the XXXXX jumped" sure you might not need to know the word catfish in your everyday reading experience but it sure is useful to know it when it pops up and having to look it up sure does bring the pacing to a stop

>>20291192
>9 months of reading every day
yea I'll pass, I'd rather do anki and watch anime and get fluent

>>20291355
its my current djt anthem and it bangs like fuck

>>20291367
i kind of wish they'd gotten the guys in the song a little filthier before recording the video because they're in a junkyard looking clean as fuck just a lil sweaty
maybe that's the point though

>>20291374
clean boys in a dirty world fulla shit

is there a page with a list of differences between same word diffrent kanji meanings. For example 聞くvs 聴く vs 訊く

>>20291355
>sure you might not need to know the word catfish in your everyday reading experience but it sure is useful to know it when it pops up
you made connections with anything said about the catfish to the word catfish whether you remembered the translation or not
the connection might be stronger if you remembered but it does not follow that you should put time into another activity to accomplish that
if youre going to be reading about fish a lot the problem solves itself and if not your attention is in the wrong place

>>20291413
Just google and put 違い behind it.

>>20290035
read

>>20291417
we're probably never going to see eye to eye on this which is fine
you're okay with figuring out "some kind of fish jumped" based on the context and then moving on, and i specifically want to know that it was a catfish and not knowing exactly that it was a catfish bothers me

あ

what is this fucking faggot character laughing about

>>20291413
the microsoft IME has a quick list of differences when you type きく

I feel like im not learning that much from reading and nothing really makes sense yet should I just keep going

>>20291502

>>20291512
get a life holy shit

>>20289873
Reminder to drag Anki to the trash and spend more time reading and listening.

>>20291514
whats your issue

>>20291502
It depends on how far you're in and what specifically you don't understand. It sounds like grammar is your issue if "nothing really makes sense", so try to figure out what exactly and look it up. Otherwise keep going and read something that holds your interest.

>>20291512
i feel like that cool dude would never tell someone to watch anime

>>20291525
lots of cool people watch anime

like me

>>20291519
every time ive ever checked this thread youve been spamming 10k hours
is this really how you want to spend your life?

>>20291531
I was planning on spending my life on a comfortable countryside ranch taking care of animals and growing my own food but my great gramps lost our land on a card game and now I sit in a dark 2x3 room browsing a cantonese mahogany carving forum

>>20291531
you act like its hard to tab over and post with one hand while jacking off to my hentai game on the telly

>>20291518
but what if I hate reading and think it's a waste of time, even in english? I can learn more in a 2 hour documentary than I can reading an entire book for a week, so why would I waste time reading exactly? I didn't need to read to get fluent natively.. language isn't reading.

>>20291502
list a couple things you think you understood partially and a couple of things that were too hard

>>20291556

>>20291502
The hardest thing at first is parsing sentences correctly, it'll get easier once you get familiar with the major grammar constructs
For the time being read more and read about grammar too

>>20291561
dang i remember when i used to do things like this

they always just get mad and say fuck you when you ask them to literally show you anything with regard to understanding content

>>20291565
>ironic frog poster

>>20291568
you reminisce to my posts often

>>20291556
Okay, change that to "reading and/or listening."

>>20291148
ウケケケ is laughing

your interpretation of the last bit is so off base i'm interested in how you even got to where you are

(こんな地獄までやってきて助けてあげた) 俺っち は
聖獣の鑑 じゃん

does this help split it up? the first clause in quotes is describing 俺っち and he's calling himself 聖獣の鑑, a paragon of 聖獣hood/an exemplary 聖獣

>>20291577
you just remind me of my slightly yunger self

>>20291581
dont bend to support illiteracy

>>20291581
I've been doing a lot of audio books, shits cash desu

>>20291599
now this is the shit daddy like to hear

>>20291556
>I can learn more in a 2 hour documentary than I can reading an entire book for a week

no you can't

you're incredibly dumb and don't even know it

>>20291630
no i understand him reading can just be a thing you dont wanna do and so it doesnt work out for you

i bet he does fine when he wants to read something

>>20291593
Reading is powerful and everyone should do it but if you have to force it the affective filter means it won't work anyway.

just like we all want to read each others shitposts on djt

>>20291636
there's a difference between simply not wanting to read because you're a manchild who can't focus unless he's looking at colorful moving drawings (you) and thinking that reading a book can in any way be adequately replaced by watching a documentary (the other retard)

There is literally no reason to learn Japanese if you don't want to read.

speaking of parsing, why is jisho still so fucking bad at it?

さむい

さむいのさむいはさむい

>>20291681
in some ways it can dude

after all without illustrations a book cant show you what something looks like

You literally can't learn high level Japanese if you don't read.

>>20291630
I went through a reading phase and read hundreds of books, then I forgot 90% of what I read because it was just boring words on paper. Meanwhile I watched hundreds of documentaries and recall everything much better because it was also audio and visually complimented information. You're incredibly dumb and don't even know it.

hate to say it but this guys the winner here >>20291708

>>20289969
this is fucking atrocious, it's like i can feel the humidity of his sweat and his toilet breath on my neck while i listen to this

>>20291708
the twist: all of it was english

>>20291644
that sounds to me more like dont force it
you should still do it sometimes

gambare lucas kun

what's the kanji that means coitus

why is DJT so shitty?

because it exists

>>20291708
and you got nothing but a surface level understanding of a bunch of different subjects by spending your time watching hundreds of documentaries

which is fine but you should come to terms with the possibility that maybe books aren't an inferior source of information and that maybe you're just functionally illiterate

>>20291792
lol weird hill to die on

fuck off jamal no one cares what you think

you fUckEn maD??

>>20291792
If I've read hundreds of books, proably more than you have, and functionally illiterate means you can't even function in day to day life, then you're just some retard plebbit spacing.

dang victory retracted this tardfight ends in a draw

>>20291756
ＤＪＴは美しくなんかない。そしてそれ故に、美しい

お医者さんは
お医しい

>>20291844
idk who that guy on the right is but nuke is the best japanese learning memeceleb purely because he's not a catty rude bitch like literally all of the other ones

きょうは

にいなめさい

チャーユーツリー

>>20291850
nuke chans cool

>>20291857
idk what it is about learning japanese that turns people mean
maybe they're just frustrated because years of ajatt have left them completely illiterate but at least they know when to say "chotto" "nanka" and "maa"

>>20291834
sure, you read hundreds (possibly thousands!) of books but they were all boring and you can't even remember them because no pictures make brain sleep

idk either dude everyone should just be nice and watch dolly chan sensei for epic nihongo powerleveling ┐(‘～` )┌

>>20291708
>I went through a reading phase and read hundreds of books, then I forgot 90% of what I read because it was just boring words on paper
I am really upset that someone would go on the internet and just tell lies like that. I'm going to find out our mothers phone number, and I'm going to tell her that you did this.

nuke is incredibly based

I want him to get good so much just so he can flex on the haters

篠川さんは昨日と同じくベッドで本を読んでいた。ちょうど口笛を吹こうとしていたらしく、唇をちょっと尖らせていた。俺が病室に入っていった途端、顔を真っ赤にしてぎゅっと首を縮めた。
god shes so fucking cute

>>20291878
id be the first one to raise his hand if he turned his train to hell around

he's also kinda cute

thats gay my ninja

real niggas fuck other niggas jamal I thought you knew this

callin a dude cute and fuckin him are like 2 different things entirely my ninja

わたしはゲイ

nukechan is cute in a nekoppoi way where i want to protect him and nurture him i only wanna get balls deep in /fit/ dudes

>>20291937
that's true

I actually don't like nuke reading these threads because I want to protect his innocent boomer smile

hate to say it but his "boomer" smile belongs to me

>>20291182
My deck is 35k words now and the main reason I continue adding to it is to keep track of readings of words. Those who grew up in Japan will naturally have a library of sounds that they can associate with and impose on new or uncommon compounds, but an adult learner who isn't surrounded by Japanese since way back is pretty much fucked without spaced repetition, if their aim is to not fuck up the readings.

I'm also learning Chinese and chugging through a HSK deck and I hope the same thing doesn't occur there

>>20289159
Is there any difference in material between itazuraneko and the djtguide (legacy) site?

Eceleb wankers please fuck off and kill yourself.
Jamal why don't you janny your life back into shape instead you pathetic subhuman NIGGER. Don't forget to re stash up on hot pockets or better yet just throw yourself off a cliff.

>>20291708
I usually forget everything I do after 2-3 seconds but after pushing a nice stinky load in my pants and reading the the entirety of the old testament in its original languages I can recite any passage by association with the sweet odour of my memories

>>20291996
this post can be reported

>>20291996
lmfao

>>20291996
ironic that this is an eceleb post

>>20291996
furthermore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XtMHuRoqpg

>>20291983
yes

>>20291983
itazuraneko has more shitty guides another grammar reference book and at least one new file in the cor

>>20292115
and a copy of tae kim

>>20292120
thats a guide

>>20291867
I don't what's sadder, your comprehension or the fact you think that's a lot of books..

can you bookfags chill w/ the elitism ?? sheesh

>>20292154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I90Q2bChBX8

>>20291708
>boring words on paper
News flash: compelling content impacts retention

problem still remains that sometimes having visual and sound representation is better than text

after all text is one of the most outdated forms of media in the face of epic cutting edge technology https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esk3Pa1iXz8#t=74

Dang, I'm actually baffled Matt stole from Vlad who stole from anon the sharex audio thing. Even though it's pointless.

>>20292388
just a humble messiah spreading all discovered methods of pretending to learn japanese
you wouldnt ask jesus for credit would you

jesus went up on a motha fucken cross so you could have a chance to go to heaven

lets not fuck around

so you can only imagine what a real savior has gone through

you cant save others if you cant even save yourself

like that stabbing westward song

>>20292359
damn it I need to get some VR, I just don't like the idea of standing around trying to fap, can I still lean back in my comfy seat and do this?

>>20292359
>when they ask you how you got fluent

>>20292487
you can get a robot that manipulates the fleshlight for you

>>20292438
rest in peace sakubi

>>20292503
i want a robot that has a fleshlight built in and power bottoms for me
occasionally his vibrating 18 inch dildo pops out to crush my guts

How do I translate リア充? Normalfag?

>>20292549
>>20292577

>>20291566
This stops being the hardest thing after you read long enough.

Knowing enough words lets you figure out the grammar on your own since there's only so many likely outcomes for any given sentence. Higher-end grammar might not be as straightforward, but same concepts apply. Read more.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1542937978710.webm

good post

>>20292735
who got the high score only 2 posts are mine :\

i can't focus on my vn when i have to constantly paste shit into jisho

its only for the first couple of years

>>20291310
>don't look up words properly to engrave them in your memory. Hovering over with rikai for 2 seconds is not looking up.
Is the proper way to spend 20 seconds per word by looking them up on Jisho? If so then spending 5 seconds per word in anki before reading, and spending 2 seconds per word using a hover dictionary is a better use of time.

..I'll take reasons why srs is necessary for 5,000 Alex

srs is necessary if youre retarded
proof: all the srs guys still dont know japanese

i just dont understand why its so hard to admit that srs objectively improves vocab retention and that reading will teach you the language but you'll be stuck with a dictionary glued to your hand for the first 30 years of learning

the tortoise dutifully puts words into anki and reads a littel bit every day
the hare does everything 1000% efficient and reads 8 hours a day and burns out after a month and does not learn japanese

For a variety of reasons, as an adult language learner, developing reading comprehension is significantly easier than developing listening comprehension. Further, learning to hear what you can already read is significantly easier than developing listening comprehension through listening alone. Thus, if one’s goal is to gain proficiency in both listening and reading as quickly as possible, having text (reading ability) guide the forefront of learning is the best strategy to take. This is why a majority of language classes are primarily taught via text, with audio taking a back seat.

The problem is that reading before developing listening abilities in a language has the potential to damage pronunciation in the long term. There are two main reasons for this. First, if you haven’t developed listening abilities in a language, then you quite literally don’t know how the language actually sounds. This means that every time you read the language, you will inevitably create and reinforce bad pronunciation habits inside of your head. Not only will these habits be hard to reverse, but they will also bias the way you hear the language, making it harder to train your ears to hear the language in the same way that natives do. Second, if you gain a large amount of collocation knowledge through reading before your listening abilities are developed, your mind will later use that knowledge to make inferences and artificially fill in gaps in raw listening ability, forming another barrier to training your ears to hear the language in the same way that natives do. If you don’t hear the language in the same way that natives do, you will be in the same position as a blind man painting a self-portrait when attempting to pronounce the language.

>>20292910
>and artificially fill in gaps in raw listening ability, forming another barrier to training your ears to hear the language in the same way that natives do
Sometimes people speak quickly or slurred in English and I have to infer what they're saying based on collocations. Does that mean my listening ability in English is permanently crippled even though I'm a native?

>>20292910
>has the potential to damage pronunciation in the long term
stopped reading i'm not talking to anybody in person for sure and at best i'm just going to tweet at bara artists that they draw dicks pretty fuckin jouzu

tfw when you had speech disorders as a child and still don't 100% speak correctly as an adult and nobody really gives a shit, no one cares about your nihongo pronunciation, nobody, just use your gaijin pass

no gaijin passes allowed dude you have to become japanese through ajatting in a japanese school toilet or its not good enough

>>20292951
just super wack to imagine literally having a chance to live the dream and go to japan and be in highschool only to completely squander that fucking time with toilet meshi

How many words should I try to learn a day in anki if I'm doing 2k? I don't want to do a pathetic amount a day but I want to actually learn Japanese at the same time and not get burned out.

>>20292895
There's hundreds who did srs to every one person who didn't srs that are fluent. Their denial is funny though. Because they did it the retard way they want to spread their cancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS7WzYICAsk&lc=Ugz1Ef02GZEHRE_pgQ94AaABAg

>>20292989
It's only like 2 guys arguing that all anki usage is bad. Everyone else just warns against overuse.

>>20292963
Whatever amount of words makes it possible to read more and anki less

This way you can anki the actual tough/rare/etc words instead of shit like 使う and 猛烈

Dropping by here to ask a translation question: what does it mean when a restaurant is オープン仕立て?

>>20293040
It means its それはゲイ

>>20293038
>使う
didn't remember it until i put it in anki .

>dolly posts deleted
Are mods retarded or do they just del anything reported in djt because they dont want to deal with the general? She is literally the best explainer of every Japanese topic she decides to do.

>>20293074
I don't blame them. Jamal shits up the thread with his Dolly spam. He's ruined a good thing.

>>20293082
Damnit jamal I thought I liked you

reading japanese names is so stupid
shit makes no sense whatsoever

>>20293082
Honestly it's like 3-5 posts per thread, it's not that bad.. seems like a silly thing to delete. It's even a helpful related meme.

きょうは

なにしてあそぶ？

>>20293127
I've posted Dolly's vids before. That's not great content but it can incidentally be helpful. Clipping her and memeing about how you orgasmed to her voice isn't.

>>20293101
I love when writers don't say the reading so I just pick one at random and then find out I was wrong 20 chapters later. I love it. It's the best.

fags

Day 18

>>20293140
I posted a video and said it was good, what the fuck

>>20293171
ESL?

>>20293152
You can't just be picking them at random, you have to use your nihonjin sense.

>>20293330
If by nihonjin sense you mean remembering what I got wrong and using that one next time, sure.

https://youtu.be/0iVRjMINxAo

https://youtu.be/rXKkou98tMM

>>20291413
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/horon/kotoba/chigai.html

>>20293006
isn't all that grabbing audio and sentence mining just a waste of time?

"Balanced Approach" Timeline
Stage 1 – Getting Started

Read all Stage 1 articles
Re-read Stage 1 articles at the pace of one article a day, and after finishing, read Stage 2 articles at the same pace (ongoing)
Create an immersion environment and begin immersing (ongoing)
Obtain an SRS and learn how to use its basic features
Learn the basics of the phonetic and writing systems (Japanese: Hiragana and Katakana. Chinese: Pinyin)
(Japanese/Chinese only) Go through Lazy Kanji (1K cards)
Learn and SRS (bilingual sentence cards) basic grammar and vocab (1K cards)
Through sentence mining, make ~2.5K bilingual sentence cards
(Optional) Continue to learn grammar and vocab from a pre-made deck alongside sentence mining. This can count towards the ~2.5K bilingual sentence cards.

Stage 2 – Survival Level

Re-read Stage 2 articles at the pace of one article a day, and after finishing, read Stage 3 articles at the same pace (ongoing)
Continue to immerse (ongoing)
(For those seeking fluency or above) Begin a meditation practice (ongoing)
Make the Monolingual Transition
Through sentence mining, make ~3K monolingual sentence cards. This should bring you to ~7K sentence cards total

Stage 3 – Functional

Re-read Stage 3 articles at the pace of one article a day, and after finishing, read Stage 4 articles at the same pace (ongoing)
Continue to immerse (ongoing)
Continue to sentence mine, and make an additional ~3K monolingual sentence cards. This should bring you to ~10K sentence cards total (ongoing)
(For those seeking fluency or above) Adopt a parent, and start shadowing (ongoing)
(Japanese only; for those seeking fluency or above) Learn pitch accent theory
(For those not seeking fluency and above) Begin to output

Stage 4 – Fluent

Re-read Stage 4 articles at the pace of one article a day, and after finishing, read Stage 5 articles at the same pace (ongoing)
Continue to immerse (ongoing)
Continue to make monolingual sentence cards through sentence mining, but at a reduced rate (ongoing)
Begin to output (ongoing)
(Japanese/Chinese only) Go through Traditional RTK1+3 / RTH 1+2

Stage 5 – Professionally Competent to Native Level

Re-read Stage 5 articles at the pace of one article a day (ongoing)
Continue to immerse (ongoing)
Continue to make monolingual sentence cards through sentence mining, but at a further reduced rate (ongoing)
Begin to make clozed/production cards to learn specific cultural knowledge (ongoing)
Continue to output, and get corrected (ongoing)
Study the history of the culture your target language is associated with
Study the grammar of your target language using resources meant for natives
(Japanese only) Study Keigo
(Japanese/Chinese only) Study classical Japanese/Chinese

I'm now over 1200 hours into learning Japanese, about half of that reading, and I'm starting to accept the truth, the input hypothesis is a fucking meme. You cannot learn Japanese as an adult without conscious study. It's a particularly insidious meme because while at the beginning you do start to recognize patterns through sheer mass exposure and develop a vague understanding of them, that's all they will ever be. Languages require a very concrete model for you to be able to comprehend complex thoughts and you will never develop this no matter how much you read more. You'll certainly never be able to produce Japanese sentences of your own. The truth is I was just deluding myself about how much I could comprehend because this is really what you're training yourself to do when you rely on context to make input comprehensible instead of actually understanding it through study. I wish I had stuck with textbooks, then I would have at least followed a clear path to fluency. Don't be like me, keep studying and just go with some progression like Genki I/II -> Tobira -> Shin Kanzen Master N2/1 or Sou Matome while also using anki every day, and maybe just watch an episode of anime or read for half an hour for fun, then fluency is at least assured instead of wasting thousands of hours of your life on a fucking djt meme pushed by retards who don't even know Japanese.

>>20293860
ctrlf anime
0 results
ctrlf manga
0 results
ctrlf visual novel
0 results
ctrlf light novels
0 results

hmmmmmm

>>20293863
you are supposed to watch 10k hours dumb dumb

>>20293127
>>20293074
It's autistic and nobody gives a fuck about e-celebs. This is a thread about learning Japanese, not social media to discuss your favorite Youtuber. E-celeb spam and forced e-celeb memes should be a bannable offense.

>>20293893
Wait, is someone finally cracking down on all the e-celeb shit? Thank fucking goodness. Only took them like two years.

Dolly?

step 1) build foundations so you can read and listen to japanese (max 1 month, optional)
step 2) read and listen to japanese
step 3) repeat step 2 until you know japanese

>>20293915
the thing is you should probably read 90% of the time and watch 10%

>>20293940
it doesnt matter youre naturally going to do the amount that is ideal for you once you start getting good

>>20291295
I was reading grisaia but amanes flashback is boring so im just watching anime instead

>>20293979
bu chou eats the other girls

>>20293152
You can just google the name

>>20294169
That's not how 名乗り work.

>>20294170
Theres a 99.9% chance theres an article about the work that has the reading

>>20294173
I'm afraid to say that you don't know Japanese if you really think it's that easy for random names.

>>20294179
Give me a novel and a name that you couldnt figure out

>>20294184
You have to google the specific work, not the name.

And some things are obscure and don't have wikipedia pages or anything.

In fact, there are a lot of doujin games with names given exclusively in kanji that...literally don't have an official reading at all. The dev never even came up with one.

>>20294208
Ok so in the end you couldnt come up with one. My win.

>>20293863
It's comprehensible input dumb ass. There are lots of ways to pull that off, but if you don't comprehend that a word is referring to a concept, you're going to stay retarded.

>>20294212
Demanding a specific example is the exact opposite of an argument. It's so trivial to dig up with something that has a name that you can't google that the idea that I have to present one is laughable. You don't know Japanese.

>>20294240
Give me a novel with 20+ chapters and name. I'll wait.

>>20294280
Do you somehow think that I'm the person who posted that?

>>20294284
Why are you arguing with me about it then?

>>20294287
Because you're wrong.

>>20294292
I've always just googled the name of the novel and a name of a character that isnt given furigana and it has always worked. I was never talking about some niche doujinshi as the requirement was at least 20 chapters.

>>20294301
They didn't say it was a novel.

>>20294302
Manga isnt reading

>>20294305
There are things other than novels and manga that have chapters.

>>20294306
Like?

>>20294309
VNs, games, web novels, etc. None of which are novels, even the ones that have "novel" in the name.

>>20294310
You must be trolling

>>20294312
Why would you think I'm trolling?

>>20289167
今日はよかった

>sentence mining
yes or no, if yes then when?
>cutting audio for Anki cards
yes or no, if yes then when?
>watching more content than reading
yes or no, if yes then when?

>Matt tells people to do RTK since the beginning or they are retards
>he didn't actually start with the RTK but started it after he got pretty good at Jap
>Matt tells people to watch stuff all the time and don't read
>he actually read more than he watched

he just thought of those retarded ideas and assumed they'd be "optimal" yet he didnt even test them himself
what a fucking piece of shit

>>20294417
>>Matt tells people to watch stuff all the time and don't read
>>he actually read more than he watched
i thought he locked himself into his room to watch anime all day and sub2srs

How do I into plural when there's no definite number and no context?
Example:
あたしは死体であたしの部屋を飾っています。
Weird example sentence, but whatever. It's not clear whether the person is adorning their room with a corpse, or with (and undefined amount of) multiple corpses. What's the solution here?

いちごサンドたべたい

>>20294453
They committed suicide.

>>20294592
That has nothing to do with my question. I came up with that sentence anyway.

>>20294630
Don't do that.

>>20294453
完ぺきな解決方法はないです。
それぞれの言語の、個性の違いによるものなので。
・英語→1つか、2つ以上かを区別するのが好き
・日本語→1つか2つ以上かを、あまり気にしない

日本語だと、物がいくつあるか知らなかったり、わからなかったりするときでも、情報を伝えることができるのが便利。
逆に言うと、数がいくつなのかがあいまいになりやすいので、そういう情報が重要な場合は、「1つの」「２，３の」「たくさんの」などの言葉を必ず使わなければいけない。英語だと"s"をつけるかつけないかだけで区別できるので、楽だと思う。

>>20294640
You're retarded.
DJT is never helpeful anymore. I miss the old days.

>>20294653
Made-up questions don't get good answers.

>>20294651
Oh, thank you for this helpful response. I feared that there was no good answer, and that appears to be the case.. I wish there was a simple thing to add like "s".

>>20294453
>>20294630
There are many words for "several." But it doesn't matter, just don't think of it as either until context gives you a reason to.

>>20294653
I've been through many archives and trust me you have rose tinted goggles on, the only "help" that was maybe more prevalent is bad answers coming from beginners. Which is only less prevalent now because it gets drowned out by the e-celeb posting and occasional avalanche of lowercase posters going at everybody's throats passive aggressively.

>>20294676
They were apparently asking about the logic of putting number into Japanese statements, not how to interpret it. Either way it's a stupid question because a cursory look at google would show them that explicit amount modifiers like 数体死体 are the only real way to do it, and those obviously don't pop up every time a noun is referenced so there must be some reason why not. Only a beginner or someone who's drowning themselves in school related Japanese linguistics stuff would worry about something like this.

>>20294695
I wasn't really talking about numbers. I was talking about distinguishing between plural and singular when no context is given, which is actually a pretty common occurrence, especially in writing.

My japanese contact said to just do something like
あたしは死体であたしの部屋を飾っています。→
あたしは動物達の死体で部屋を飾りました
to clarify plurality.

>>20294720
Yes, "number". Grammatical number.

Japanese doesn't have plurality.

>>20294728
>Japanese doesn't have plurality.
Yes it does. It's just not as simple as slapping on "s".

>>20294731
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_number
Read it. And get off mount stupid while you're at it.

>>20294735
I could care less about wikipedia articles and definition semantics. I care about getting shit done.

>>20294738
Every normal noun in Japanese is uncountable and has transnumeral grammatical number. This is why you need counters. And why there isn't a distinction over grammatical number.

You're trying to figure out the answer to a question that doesn't exist.

>>20294742
You're explaining a concept that is obvious to everyone, you're just being anal about semantics. I obviously know what you're saying. But that doesn't change the fact that the idea of plurality (one thing vs more than one thing) is a universal concept and being able to explicitly express this concept is mandatory for any language. English makes it easier to do so than Japanese, but that doesn't mean Japanese people view all things as neither plural nor singular.

>>20294758
Plurality isn't universal, and you would understand that if you read the wikipedia article on grammatical number.

>being able to explicitly express this concept is mandatory for any language
Being able to express logical number is mandatory. Being able to count something using a system that only has the categories "one" and "not one" is NOT mandatory or universal. At all.

>but that doesn't mean Japanese people view all things as neither plural nor singular.
That's true, but it does happen to be the case that MOST things are not viewed as being either plural or singular. They're just references to whatever particular thing described by that label they're referring to.

You already know this. That's why you specifically asked about there being no other context. I'm sorry buddy, but there's nothing where you're looking. There's no way to specify number without specifying number in Japanese.

You can express "more than one" with 複数の or 数〇の or いくつかの and some nouns exist specifically to express multiple of a thing like 木々 and 人々

It comes down to Japanese not being English, and you should just read more and listen more if you want to get a hang of how people express ideas in the language

>>20294802
>It comes down to Japanese not being English, and you should just read more and listen more if you want to get a hang of how people express ideas in the language
Most reading and listening has obvious context, especially learning material. But it does get vague if you are reading things out of context, which happens a lot online. I imagine that the online world has made things more difficult for Japanese people because context is so often lost here.

>>20294814
They're telling you that you're wrong and you should read and listen more so you can accept it.

imagine posting a retarded question and getting a retarded answer and then lamenting that le djt isnt as le epic was it once was in yesteryear lmao

>>20294868
They committed suicide.

rip to all the suiciders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDu7sFdwgZY#t=229

Is the 茶 in 茶封筒 pronounced ちゃ or サ?

>>20294886
check a dictionary i heard they tell you how words are pronounced

>>20294417
>he actually read more than he watched
He did them in equal amounts IIRC and he'd alternate between them in 1 hour intervals.

shoulda just watched more anime

>>20294841
People can say whatever they want.

>>20294960
People can also give advice to the misguided.

its ok everyones woke as hell except あたしは死体で guy

>>20294417
>he actually read more than he watched
is it even reading if he only was searching for new sentences without looking up any new words until it was anki card creation time
plus if you count all of that tremendously valuable passive listening time

クジラを駆除しましょう！

imagine thinking matt is good at japanese lol

>>20295194
why would anyone do this
is that how he met nick

>>20295232
whats more crazy is nick saying matts better than him when its not even close

look at this composition nick wrote https://pastebin.com/qDAs3hkR

God damn re: zero is pretty good, on episode 18 and wtf. I think I'm going to watch it through a few times until I understand everything. This is the type of content to get you fluent.

>>20295261
I wish somebody could put you out of your misery.

>>20295261
protip: rewatching things that awe you into loving them usually makes you hate them

shoutouts to rezero guy lol

>>20295389
I still love Naruto tho

i think the important part was he said "awe you into loving them"

of course theres things that are just straight up ftw that you can watch a billion times and love it every time

like endless 8

not as ftw as singetutan tukihime

when I log into the kindle app on iphone none of my manga or light novels purchased on amazon.jp get synced there. Anyone else have this problem?

>>20295503
you have to set your system language to japanese or the kindle app will log in to your amazon.com account

>>20295515
That did the trick. Thanks.

oh god
oh no

>Studied 363 cards in 152 minutes today.

feels good man

>>20295572

Anki
more like
wanki

um its pronounced onky

all the leading scholars in the nihongo learning community pronounce it onky

>>20295194
>digging up 3 year old Reddit posts

OBSESSED

>>20295626
? it was from when that dude posted all the links to matts social media accounts or w/e not that long ago

>>20293877
It's supposed to be a general guide for any language retard

>>20295631
believe it or not the threads in a better spot right now

pretty sure that one ass holes gonna come fuck it up though you know the guy

whoops that was suposed to be @ >>20293877

Can you use とか to list people?

cant you just put something like 田中さんとか into google and see what happens

擦る
how the fuck is this read

whichever way makes the most sense

Any alternatives to kanjitomo? It has trouble reading text that isn't in a bubble

how many hours of reading before you know japanese?

>>20295716
google docs
ignore the cancerous sounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB54RIKXC1o

good news guys i used ahk to map alt+del to f1 so i only have to press f1 to enable and disable yomichan

I STILL don't know katakana after all these months. Why do I not care enough to learn them?

>>20295765
you don't need to, just encounter them enough times and you'll learn them through input

>>20295765
first learn how to write them all (use graph paper)
then make a deck with the romaji on the front and the katakana and stroke order on the back
"draw" it on the palm of your hand and then check if you got it right
if you get it wrong write them again 10 times
once you do this you won't forget them and you'll also be able to write them

>>20295765
if you read enough it happens automatically
have you tried reading more

>>20295780
So far I've learned about 10 of them well through reading. It'll take about 1 or 2 years at this rate.
>>20295785
Yea.

Step 0) read English high level explanations of things related to the Japanese language at your leisure (ongoing)
Step 1) watch JLPT training videos that are in Japanese and look up everything you don’t understand (using your favourite j-e dictionary)
Step 2) read/watch/listen to stuff that interest you (news, vns, anime, famous/popular literature, social media, school textbooks/online lectures, whatever)

>>20295788
arent 10 of them the same as hiragana
youll probably get more katakana exposure from different media or from getting faster so that you can read more

>>20295799
You're overcomplicating it. Just check out the official MIA website for a streamlined outline on how to learn Japanese.

just watch teh dolleh

If this was true how would it be possible for a child to learn all the most useful structures of the language without a text book. You can't answer that because no one knows. For adults grammar explanations can help but it's really not that complicated. I'm guessing you never actually learned anything from reading and skipped over the beginner content, spent 1200 hours making up stories based on vocabulary and wondering why everything's not clear.

>>20294453
There probably wasn’t a need to express the plurality.
In English it would be ungramatical to say “the room was adorned with corpse” but it would be ok to say “the room was adorned with death”
In English you don’t have to specify amount when something is on a continuous scale in Japanese they also don’t need to do it when something is discretely measured as well.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1542994111058.webm

So, when are you guys going to Japan?

あたしは死体で

How useful is 暗記 as a する verb? Do people actually use it or does everyone say 覚える？

ask less stupid questions watch more anime

>>20295881
Children acquire languages differently to adults, hence why feral children go the rest of their lives without being able to learn language.

>>20295881
If what was true? Who are you responding to? Next time make sure you quote the post in question.

>>20295730
Holy fuck that's awesome. Someone should automate it and do the cornucopia

consider this no one goes in circles like this with regards to other languages

they just learn them

maybe japanese is just in fact complete bullshit ┐(‘～` )┌

>>20295921
Japanese is the hardest language in the world so of course they don't.

>>20295765
that face when you think you know katakana and you get this one ヴ

>>20295941
its so easy though

>>20295911
no that's just because the language centers in their brain never develope, don't give yourself excuses

>>20295951
Congrats, that means you're smarter than most people. Start learning other languages considered difficult like Arabic and flex your language skills.

>>20295958
its too late for me i put all my eggs in the nihongo basket ill just have to enjoy what i got

which is multiple lifetimes worth of media that rehashes the exact same shit ad infinitum

man japanese people sure are smart, because they can speak japanese

>>20295947
i knew ヴ before i knew hiragana do you even want to know japanese

golden kamuys a good anime tho

>>20295974
ESL? All second languages take the exact same amount of time and effort to learn. Oh wait, a sample of tends of thousands of US diplomats shows otherwise...

We're special and unique for learning Japanese. I think it's time we accept that.

definitely special and unique all right

the word すごい comes to mind here

>>20295987
maybe its not that japanese is hard but that spanish is easy

espanolは muy facil

coma わたしの mierda lmao

子どもがワンワンワンワン泣いていた。
父：どうした？
子：あのね、トゲが刺さって痛いんだよ！
父：おお、それは大変だな
じゃお母さんに言って早く抜いてもらいなさい。
で、抜いてもらったらお前２〜３時間山の方に遊びに行きなさい。
子：ええ、なんで遊びに行かなきゃいけないの？
父：次は俺が抜いてもらうんだ！

>There are of course many ways of being vulgar in Japanese, but the concentration around (and fascination with) a few particular words does not exist.
cure dolly has never read the highest forms of literature

>>20296023
facepalmed irl on that one
good job lad

i wanna do things described with a few particular words to dolly chan sensei

what do you think dolly先生 is like in real life

>>20296012
no quiero comer おまえの糞 pero, si quieras 私の口におしっこして por favor

>>20295861
>>20295865
Both those are already included in step 0 though by the way :-)

>>20295938
Some sort of #metoo thing?

>>20295978
pfft I was born knowing ヴ do you even care about nihongo?

>>20296023
Japanese people don't fuck.

>>20296156
porque no ambos mijo 爆笑

>>20296200
no they fuck trust me

wherever theres people theyre fuckin

>>20293439
That's really impressive, future for humanity is looking brighter and brighter. Soon we will all understand eachother and there will be no more conflict.

yeah we all just gotta talk into some little computer to talk to each other lol

future for humanity really is lookin brighter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTEduA9VPS0

translation is fake

How can translation be real when languages aren't?

there is no spoon

>>20296256
Aww I was hoping somebody arrested that fat 12 year old