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There is no Type-Earth; evolution's still going on.

Types come at the end of the line, brah.

Proof that pizza is strong enough to beat Great Demon Beasts.

>>2029606

Dude, cold pizza is the ambrosia of the gods.

/ck/ agreed, don't bother them about it

Th' dude's got no arms or legs.
I could probably take hiOH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCKADSGLDGAahrah

>>2029597

Humanity is the type-earth, as the struggle of humanity is a war without end.

And war...?

War never changes.

>>2029644

>Humanity is the type-earth

Humanity has nothing to do with the Earth.

In fact, the Earth's ultimate fighting force was created with the sole purpose of being an affront in case humans become a threat.

>>2029644
And then Shiki, Akiha and Len pilot giant robots to fight against the other types.

>>2029662

Humanity is a grand experiment, representing infinite possibilities. Gaia fears the power they may some day wield, though in the end, we are her children, and though we may rebel from time to time, we could no more raise our hands against her than we could ourselves.

>>2029680

Explain:
1. What the fuck is Alaya and why is it at odds with Gaia so much?
2. Why doesn't humanity die when Earth dies?
3. Humans kill each other all the time.

>>2029662
Didn't all Types destroyed all other beings that once lived in their respective planets? So what's with Gaia going against the natural order? And why did the types even bother to "help" her?

>>2029695
>1. What the fuck is Alaya and why is it at odds with Gaia so much?
The collective (un)conciousness of humans, born from their survival instinct. It's not at odds with Gaia by default, only when humans do something that endangers the planet. And we do that a lot.
>2. Why doesn't humanity die when Earth dies?
Why would it?
>3. Humans kill each other all the time.
Alaya protects humanity, not humans.

>>2029701

>Didn't all Types destroyed all other beings that once lived in their respective planets?

Nobody knows what Types do in their off time, but Mars, Venus, and Mercury are dead and lifeless worlds to our knowledge, and the rest are just downright inhospitable.

>So what's with Gaia going against the natural order?

Gaia IS the natural order.

>And why did the types even bother to "help" her?

Because she's a planet. When your friend down the street asks for some help, are you ALWAYS a socially repressed jackass?

>>2029695

1. Another aspect of the spirit of Earth as a whole.
2. The ability to act independently is our greatest strength.
3. Like all experiments, there are flawed subjects which act against the natural order. They are disposed of. Unless they do not die when they are killed.

>>2029707

>Why would it?

Everything else did.

Read Notes.

Gaia died, everything--EVERYTHING but humans died.
And a great deal of humans died anyway, and then evolved.

>>2029695
Alaya is the collective will for the survival of humanity. Gaia is the collective will of all life on the Earth to survive. Alaya serves the interest only of humanity's survival, while Gaia contends with everything.

Humans can survive independently of Gaia. We don't depend on that system for survival. Theoretically, we could evolve to a point where we could live solely from the energy of the Sun should we ever develop technology which lets us create biological matter at will. All life on Earth except for humans could die and we could still endure.

Humans kill each other. And? So long as a majority of humans endure, losing 49% is acceptable.

>>2029718

Not canon.

The closest thing to Type-Earth (as in ultimate being that channels the planet's power and acts at it';s interests) weer the true Ancestors.

THAT went well.

>>2029723

YOUR FACE isn't canon.

Types - Nasu's biggest clusterfuck ever? Y/N

>>2029729

I think Angel Notes is the biggest source of powerlevel debates in the entire Type-Moon fanbase.

What a way to start the day, Nasu.

Shiki can kill servants

>>2029729
Not really.
For something that appeared in his earliest work, and the one Type he used in his other works was not even mentioned there (see Type Moon), you fuckers just overanalyze and confuse things, instead of accepting what is shown.

>>2029754

>and the one Type he used in his other works was not even mentioned there (see Type Moon)

Type-Mercury is the 5th Dead Apostle Ancestor.
Also, Avenger mentions it offhandedly as one of the two things which could beat him in a human-killing contest.

A total rip-off off Maynard Solomon.

>>2029740
It really is a problem of the fans.
Poor guy did not focus on battle specifics at all.

It was 300 km BEINGS against fucking humanity.
Ultimate Beings of FUCKING planets against humans who had to evolve to beat them.

Powerlevel debates are because of retards, or people who deny the author/s.
See 'Batman always will have a plan to exploit weaknesses never seen/mentioned before, Shiki as a human can evade lightspeed attacks, Sasuke's Sharingan affects everything etc'

>>2029764
Is it MENTIONED in any of his works?
No.
Just off-list information in Kagetsu and a character artbook. No use in a STORY.
And Avenger saying 'There are a couple of things that can kill weak fleshy humans faster than me'=! POWERLEVEL debate.

In Theory, a few man made nukes can do it faster then everyone.

>>2029775

Yeah, didn't it mention that Type-Jupiter was engaged in TOTAL WARFARE with the ENTIRE CONTINENT?

Jesus christ, more of the Ether Liner dudes must've been there, not just Ado Edem. Not to mention the also-unexplained A-Rays, who are walking energybombs stronger than nuclear weaponry.

>>2029789

>Just off-list information in Kagetsu

That's one of the works.

>And Avenger saying 'There are a couple of things that can kill weak fleshy humans faster than me'=! POWERLEVEL debate.

As Avenger was wished for as the "ultimate killer of humans", yes it is.

>In Theory, a few man made nukes can do it faster then everyone.

Maybe with hella strategic timing, but Types can blow up entire continents when they get really discontent.

>>2029775
You know, this plot sounds kind of familiar.

>>2029831

YES WE ALL NOTICED IT THANK YOU

>>2029819
Appearance in works as in 'USED IN THE STORY'.
In Kagetu Tohya, when you start it up. little tidbits of information appear.
AKA, 3 lines about ORT being Type Jupiter and the 5th Dead Apostle.

And Avenger was wished to be the 'Absolute Evil wished by Humans', not killer.
He wasn't wished to be the 'strongest'.
When it comes to WISHES, wording is important.
Why do you think the Eisberns were JOBBED when they summoned Avenger in the 3d Grail War?

And the majority of humans in most times (save for like Gilgamesh Era) are fuck weak(or normal).

Avenger could just become 6 billion tentacles and impale the, that doesn't make him the mightiest being.

>>2029855
>ORT being Type Jupiter

what

>>2029855
Mercury, you mean. Also instant win against any human being places Angra Mainyu quite high.

>>2029871
Misstyped, meant ORT AKA Type-Jupiter being 5th Dead Apostle.

>>2029855

>In Kagetu Tohya, when you start it up. little tidbits of information appear.
>AKA, 3 lines about ORT being Type Jupiter and the 5th Dead Apostle.

Good enough to be canon.

>And Avenger was wished to be the 'Absolute Evil wished by Humans', not killer.
>...
>Best killer=! best fighter

Where do you think the power level debates come from?

>>2029855
Avenger was just a dogpile for every human's own evil, making him a walking, incarnated curse Jesus. Being all evils of the world means every curse he embodies is the perfect poison to kill any human that encounters it.

>>2029885

Shirou gets slathered in the "curse" like 17 times and he comes out just fine.

But then, his body is made of swords.

>>2029879
Yeah, whatever planet.
But in the end, wished to be so doesn't mean he ACTUALLY will manage it either. After all, A Shirou with a last breath Excalibur fucking killed it at it's womb.
Plus, the original Avenger is not strong. He just entered the land of UNLIMITED energy and manipulates it as such.
Plus, Arcueid is above 99,999% human at any given time, plus most other beings
Yet bad circumstances and a special kid=17 pieces of meat.

>>2029892

>Yet bad circumstances and a special kid=17 pieces of meat.

WHERE DO YOU THINK ALL THE POWERLEVEL DEBATES COME FROM?

Already it should be noted--hell, it should be IRONCLAD HAMMERED INTO YOUR MIND that in the Nasuverse that raw power edge =/= victory.

>>2029883
Noone doubts his existence, but we have no clue 'WHAT THE FUCK HE EVEN DOES.
Can someone actually make a powerlevel debate about Enhance)?
No.

And yes, powerlevel debates start by ignorant fuckers.
That's my point.

>>2029890
Shirou is fine because his mind in the Fate route is made of impervium.

If a million cursing voices told him to become an hero, he would just tell them all he didn't quite follow and ask if they could repeat what they said.

>>2029897
If this was hammered into EVERYONE'S mind, the debates wouldn't have happened.

Truly understanding that would mean, that unless you fully know of a character's strengths, weaknesses and circumstances, you cannot FUCKING ARGUE ABOUT THEM.
Yet, see what happens.

>>2029900

More like
>powerlevel debates start by insidious and heavily biased fuckers manipulating ignorant fuckers.

>>2029909
Plus trolls.

>>2029662 Humanity has nothing to do with the Earth.

God I hate that sort of thinking. My biggest gripe with Nasu's setting. Seems like the sort of tripe only someone affiliated with an eco-terrorist group would dream up.

>>2029951
It just seems that as lifeforms, OVER the years, humans became almost independent from the planet they live from, or simply rape it to take what they want instead of co-existing.

Hence why the shit EVENTUALLY hits the fan.
It's not more extreme or idealistic then what usually happens around us.

Venus has the ability to absorb concepts.

What if she landet too early and absorbed the concept of homolust?

>>2029963
>simply rape it to take what they want
That's pretty much what every life form does, taking aside their specific limitations.

Life is the cancer that is killing the perfect order of the universe.

>>2029970
Roa and Cornelius would be fucked.

>>2029971
Well, in theory, animals do not take more then they need, follow their little boring circles and chains, then become Earth's manure.

Humans are above EVERYTHING else in the chain and take whatever they want, hence the disruption.

But yes, intelligent life in general is a bane to order.