/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>20196029
>rushing to make a new thread just so you can exclude itazuraneko from the op again
stop being a petty little autist

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

guide site that's actually maintained despite its owner abandoning 4chan: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Bad OP image, no itazuraneko = you're fired.
Anterior my ass.

minna genki?

>>20196082
the op image is the only good part of the op though

>>20196099
I agree but it's not a good OP image. OP images need be sharp and trendy, and less rectangular, like this right here.

just make a new thread "anterior my ass" is the best post this threads gonna get

>>20196029
Can anyone explain this sentence to me?
>そうすれば舐められずにすむ
そうすれば is then
舐める is to suffer
すむ is to experience
But what are the conjugations exactly? rarezu instead of ru? what does it mean? is it like rareru?

>>20196029
>Autist-kun my son, you have two options for creating a new OP for the /djt/
>you could create an interesting thread with every information to support a healthy discussion and progress for hundreds of other Anons
>or you could just be an autistic retard and try to shit on as many people as possible as OP, just so you can have a laugh for 5 seconds
Why am I not surprised...

>>20196270
the thread is what you guys make it even though i agree op is fag

>>20196266
sumu is for a situation to end (in some result or by some condition)
zu is a negative conjugation

>>20196043
This website doesn't work. Everything 404's

>>20196270
>you could overload the OP with shit no one gives a fuck about
>or you could create a normal thread
fix'd
also nice contribution there you're making to make this an "interesting" thread appreciate it mate

>>20196287
you need to edit the URL to replace the domain with mega.nz

>>20196289
djt is not your home. not only do you not own it, you don't have a right to feel like you belong here, or a right to feel like people agree with you.

>>20196294
Well said fellow discordfag
Also don't you have a broken site to fix?

>>20196294
I wish I owned my home.

he might not own djt but i do and ive owned it for a long time and theres the people who agree with me now and theres the people who will agree with me later

also its not that i belong here its that youve been blessed to belong with me

>>20196305
i have never touched discord, nor do i have anything to do with any of the sites put in the OP
you're paranoid and need to stop trying to turn DJT into your coping mechanism

I owned you're mom last night lmoa

>>20196266
I swear to christ ず is in tae kim.

舐める is not to suffer, it means something like to make light of (a person). It's in the passive form. ず is negative 連用形.

済む is the verb you are looking for, it means to end. ～ずにすむ is a very common expression that means to get by without X happening.

i owned your mom thats how you were formed

>>20196266
this will help you with some and all of your problems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ_p4nActyo

>>20196324
last time I clicked this it gave me the brain damage

>>20196331
its like multiplying negative numbers you just have to click it again to create the universe in your brain

>>20196341
negative numbers make perfect sense once you realize they're a 180 degree rotation bro

>>20196345
idk about geometry i only can use a 4 function calculator

negative square roots make perfect sense once you realize they're a 90 degree rotation bro

youre a negative square

>>20196355
so true

>>20196355
Let me introduce you to our lord and saviour, i.

>>20196286
So the sentence is
>So I won't need to suffer in the end
?

>doing complex trigonometric calculations

>>20196368
If I do that (or whoever does whatever) it'll be over without having to deal with ____ (whatever 舐める is referring to in context).

>>20196313
my dictionary says nameru is to suffer, and it also makes more sense in the context of the story. But thanks a bunch anyways. Also no idea what tae kim is, first time browsing jp.

>>20196380
get a better dictionary

>>20196380
you're misinterpreting what the dictionary means by "suffer," that meaning only applies when used transitively in basic set phrases where it's very clear what sense it is being used in

this is more your dictionary's fault than your own so >>20196387

>>20196379
>>20196411
>>20196387
He says he wants to become stronger (もっと強くになりたい)
So
>I want to become stronger in order to not suffer
in the context of the story "get made fun of" doesn't make sense. It's about a kid who messes with the Yakuza
Could nameru also be something like get bullied?

>>20196423
it only means "suffer" in that situation in terms of "having to suffer because of them screwing with me"

especially because it's in the passive form

Reminder to set your Interval Modifier to 150%

>>20196451
What does this do?

>>20196423
>Could nameru also be something like get bullied?
Get a proper dictionary and look it up.

>>20196423
It's not "get made fun of," it's like "get looked down on" or "get made light of."
Make light of does not mean the same things as make fun of.

set your default interval to 130% and your interval modifier to 200% for epic win

>>20196467
default ease*

>>20196456
Reduces the amount of reps you'll have per day

>>20196476
By moving them to later days? I can get a similar effect by not doing all my reps every day.

>>20196483
No, it's more complicated than that. Increasing your Interval Modifier also makes you forget more cards. Forgotten cards become more reps than remembered ones

the funny thing is that the interval modifier is supposed to do something slightly different according to the manual but anki's dev implemented it wrong and basically turned it into a second ease factor :)

>>20196505
>anki's dev implemented it wrong and basically turned it into a second ease factor
It's basically a per-deck ease factor while the ease factor itself is per-card so they're different

>>20196505
>>>/discord/

>>20196559
that's why i called it a "second ease factor"

it was originally supposed to turn

2 -> 4 -> 8
into
4 -> 8 -> 16
instead of
4 -> 16 -> 256

i.e. it was supposed to change the unit of interval growth not the exponent

there's no other way to modify the unit of interval growth so yeah.

2.5^x;
(1.5*2.5)^x;
1.5*(2.5^x);

>>20196505
Was it supposed to be applied to every card in the deck immediately?

>>20196500
Doesn't not doing all your reps on their scheduled day also make you forget more cards? I'm too stupid to see how that's different.

>>20196579
you're doing god's work son

>>20196574
>it was originally supposed to turn
>4 -> 8
>into
>4 -> 8

Uhhh... Drop out of high school anon? These are increasing at the same rate, they just have a different starting value (Anki does allow you to change the starting value btw)

>>20196586
i know what i wrote dude. yes, it's supposed to act like a live modifier on the number of correct steps you've had for all cards in the review state. that's the only way the math it references from the supermemo site works.

>>20196579
You're basically now keeping track of your own scheduling and ignoring Anki's if you do that, may as well use paper flash cards

>>20196456
it's the first step toward initiation into a certain e-celeb's cult

don't fall for it

>>20196594
>You're basically letting anki do 99 things instead of 100 things, might as well let it do 0 things and do absolutely everything on your own
no

>>20196590
The math is fine. I see a card that says "Good" is 1 month, I go back to settings and change IM to 200%, go back to card and good now says 2 months.

>>20196600
you don't even know what math i was referencing go read anki's manual before you embarrass yourself

i'll chip in and say that the supermemo math is also experimentally unfounded and just based on the supermemo author's delusions of intellectual relevance

>>20196605
I've read it many times before. Paste the quote here you're confused about and we can go through it more carefully

>>20196608
dude, you have literally no idea what you're talking about, it's fucking hilarious
there is no way that "the math it references from the supermemo site" could be taken to mean "what the interval modifier does to intervals" if you actually read the manual lmao that math has nothing to do with the interval size it's about optimum retention

>>20196608
here let me spoonfeed you before you try to pretend i'm fronting

>>20196574
>>20196590
>>20196605
>>20196617
>>20196620
Go back to your containment zone, cultist.

>>>/discord/

>>20196628
you should be quoting to the guy i'm responding to dude

Why aren't we all using Supermemo?

>>20196620
>>20196617
Sorry, thought we were still talking about >>20196574 and >>20196505

Anyway, what's your issue with this supermemo formula? It seems to just be based on the forgetting curve

Imagine not wanting to learn Japanese so badly you read the fucking Anki Manual

>>20196630
supermemo's author is delusional and none of his theory about how spaced repetition works is founded on scientifically valid experiments
>>20196636
there is no issue with the supermemo formula, the issue is that the interval modifier setting only applies to it if it controls the unit (offset) instead of the exponent (growth) of the interval growth function

>>20196643
>there is no issue with the supermemo formula, the issue is that the interval modifier setting only applies to it if it controls the unit (offset) instead of the exponent (growth) of the interval growth function

Interesting. I can't find much online about that formula. Do you have a source for what you're saying?

Anki tech support autists need to leave.

>>20196664
blame ****

>>20196266
If I do that then It'll be over without having to be licked.

whats ur anki battle song? mines this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28kBbfMBQno

>>20196636
1,2,4,8,16,32
10,20,40,80,160,320
10,200,4000,8000,160000,3200000

>>20196660
the reason you can't find much about it online is because anki's author misinterpreted an unrelated function on the supermemo website about the "forgetting index"

the reason that the interval modifier should be about the unit instead of the exponent is that the forgetting index experimentally doesn't conform to the forgetting curve unless you have a sufficient number of exposures over time; the exponent is the shape of the forgetting curve itself, the unit is the likeliness to follow it closely

>>20196690
thank you for illustrating the issue
if you have an interval modifier of 10x then after just two answers you're basically never going to see the information again

>>20196690
Yes anon, we already went over this. Those are all growing at the same rate, they just have a different initial starting point (which you can set in Anki, default is 1 day but I have mine set to 2)

>>20196700
>Those are all growing at the same rate
this is wrong and you're dumb

>>20196700
>Those are all growing at the same rate, they just have a different initial starting point
>10,20,40,80,160,320
>10,200,4000,8000,160000,3200000

>>20196355
-90 degree*

>>20196700
Now try doing that to every card instead of just new ones.

>>20196686
Vs. Susie is better

>>20196704
Wat? They're doubling. Graph them on a log yaxis and you can see they're parallel lines.

>>20196706
Okay that one's not doubling. Your point though? You can't just post numbers without an argument, those are used to support an argument.

>>20196695
I asked for a source anon, not more information out of your ass

This is Japanese learning in its highest form.

>>20196715
That doesn't make any fucking sense though. You can't change the starting point of a card you already started. And if you did then the cards history would be a lie since you shouldn't have been able to answer "Good" or "Again" the way you did of the intervals were different

>>20196717
this is your source, which i directly mentioned by name
https://www.supermemo.com/help/fi.htm#Retention_is_higher_than_100.25_minus_the_forgetting_index.21

the forgetting curve is supposed to be about the SCALING of the inter-repetition interval, to control how close the forgetting index and item retention chance are, not the growth, which is controlled by dynamic ease modification via the hard and easy buttons (in theory)

>>20196725
>That doesn't make any fucking sense though. You can't change the starting point of a card you already started
Exactly. It's supposed to modify the interval, not the starting value nor the ease which has an exponential effect.

>>20196725
we just went over this. if the interval modifier was implemented correctly it would basically be exactly what you're saying is not possible. because that's how it's supposed to act. are you a contributor to anki or something? i've never met someone this bad at following something.

>>20196594
Aren't you keeping track of your own scheduling and ignoring Anki's by messing with the default interval and ease? Grab those paper flash cards.

People realized that Anki by default schedules too frequently, and rather than take advantage of this slack to not do Anki every day without disastrous consequences, they instead decided to introduce disastrous consequences. This is probably wrong, but that's what it looks like from here.

>>20196737
I'm obviously following I just don't agree with what that would do.

>>20196733
Okay from that article I see this formula retention = -(forgetting index)/ln(1-(forgetting index)) .... which is completely different than the one you mentioned here >>20196620

>>20196749
yes.

did you read my posts? did you remember what i told you? are you actually processing what i'm telling you instead of brushing it off and making assumptions?

because i already explicitly stated that anki's author screwed up and misunderstood the math.

>>20196695
>anki's author misinterpreted an unrelated function on the supermemo website about the "forgetting index"

>>20196754
>because i already explicitly stated that anki's author screwed up and misunderstood the math

So you're saying the forumla on Anki's website is wrong just because it's not the same as a different formula on supermemo's website? That seems like a bit of a stretch, these aren't even trying to calculate the same thing at all

>>20196774
you don't seem to get what's going on, so i'll explain it even more specifically for you.

they tried to use the forgetting index <-> retention formula to come up with a modifier based on the closeness between the forgetting index and retention curve.

don't believe me?
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Asupermemo.com+%22ln%22
there are no other retention-related functions described on the supermemo website. there is no other possible explanation, aside from anki's author making shit up and ascribing it to SM's author, or SM's author making a terrible mistake and redacting it even from outdated archival pages, neither of which either of us would accept.

>>20196754
Also you still haven't told me how any of this is related to >>20196574

ま、それを置いといて
俺の妹は超かわいいわ〜
全部食べたい！

>>20196780
>there are no other retention-related functions described on the supermemo website

I'm pretty sure the Anki devs took it from supermemo's source code. The source code has to decide the new intervals based on your current retention IRL and your target retention setting, that's where it comes from

>>20196783
>>20196695
>the forgetting index experimentally doesn't conform to the forgetting curve unless you have a sufficient number of exposures over time; the exponent is the shape of the forgetting curve itself, the unit is the likeliness to follow it closely

you would understand the problem instantly if you actually considered the effects that a 10x interval modifier would have

>>20196789
supermemo is proprietary and closed source and the old version anki is based on does not have the magic behind-the-scenes interval adjustment magic that modern version do.

>>20196791
>interval is longer
>you forget more

What a concept. Anyway, you can't cite your own ass as a source so just give up

>>20196798
If the modern version is so great, why aren't we using it?

>>20196798
1) supermemo has target retention as a setting which means it has a formula for finding interval based on target retention and current retention
2) Closed source software can be reverse engineered but honestly I think it was probably just leaked some other way

i'd honestly rather read mattposting than this shit

>>20196806
the intervals aren't just longer, they grow faster
you're not using your own head. you're actively refusing to think about what you're talking about. your demand for a third party source is like shouting "Yeah well what IF I touch the hot burner? It won't hurt!".

let's say you have 98% retention. let's say you want 80% retention. let's say you follow the math on anki's website:

ln(0.80)/ln(0.98)

-> 11.04

what do we have here? we have an interval modifier of more than 10. let's pretend it's 10, because 10 is simpler to calculate and will have less of an effect.

so you have 250% ease on all your cards, and an interval modifier of 10. this means that your intervals will grow at a rate of 25x per repetition. okay. what is our interval curve going to look like?

1 -> 25 -> 125 -> 3125

This is so obviously extremely wrong that I shouldn't have to explain it to you. Seeing something three times over the course of a year and never again is not going to result in being able to remember it again with an 80% chance of remembering it again several years later. If you follow it one more step it'll be even more absurd.

1 -> 25 -> 125 -> 3125 -> 78125

After just seeing the card FOUR TIMES, we're no longer EVER going to see it again before we die.

And this is following the exact math and instructions written in Anki's manual.

the math in anki's website reflects an interval modifier implemented over the unit, not growth rate, of the interval growth function. if it doesn't, it's completely made-up bullshit.

>>20196812
it costs money and it's also bad because supermemo's author is a hack

>>20196840
>1 -> 25 -> 125
this makes no sense

>>20196859
that's how the interval modifier is implemented. that's what you're going to get if you use an interval modifier of 10 with an ease of 250% in anki.

>>20196840
Good examples anon. I believe the formula is quite good when your starting retention is less than or equal to 90% though. But anyway, you say that such a interval scheduling would not result in 80% retention? Interesting claim, though still just your own assertion. However even if you're right you're supposed to just adjust your IM if your retention ends up not hovering at 80 (whether it's higher or lower)

Also I like how you've now changed from "Anki copied this wrong" to "Supermemo's formula is wrong"

>>20196867
Why is that? Why would it grow 5x on the 3rd rep?

>>20196874
Because that anon can't do basic math and should just be ignored

>>20196870
>I believe the formula is quite good when your starting retention is less than or equal to 90% though.

oh so "double your interval growth rate if you want to go from 90% retention to 80% retention"? interesting, interesting, interesting... this is a very deep sarcasm if you can't tell.

>But anyway, you say that such a interval scheduling would not result in 80% retention? Interesting claim

yeah "by seeing something only three times you're going to remember it with at least 80% chance until you die" is a very believable proposition

>Also I like how you've now changed from "Anki copied this wrong" to "Supermemo's formula is wrong"
it's not supermemo's formula. I never said it was. I specifically said that it wasn't. unless you have some kind of crazy insider information, like you're actually anki's developer and you somehow got that formula from the supermemo guy, in which case, stop astroturfing. of course, you're not, but i have a million bones to pick with anki's developer, and this is one of them.

>>20196874
oh yeah looks like I screwed that up my bad

it should actually be

1 -> 25 -> 625 -> 15625 -> 390625

which is unfathomably ludicrous

>>20196875
this is some next level "h-haha here you made a typo!!! your argument is invalid!" shit, considering that the typo weakened the strength of the illustration

>>20196870
If your model doesn't work in realistic extreme cases like 98% retention then it doesn't reflect reality.

>>20196891
>by seeing something only three times you're going to remember it with at least 80% chance until you die

Lul, well yeah if you can remember it a month later after only seeing it once then it's probably something that will stick with you for a long time. I don't have to do reps on my wedding day to remember it

>>20196891
Try going the other way. Going from 80% to 98%. It's even funnier.

>>20196910
hey

did you know?


facts exist in the real world too.




you run into them outside of anki.





and that affects how likely you are to remember them the next time you see them in anki.






and it's completely random and item-dependent on how strong this influence eventually is.

>>20196901
But increasing the interval *will decrease your R*, once it's low enough the formula becomes good. The problem solves itself

>>20196914
oh my fucking god

>>20196916
the problem is that the formula obviously does not actually reflect reality. you're not going to have 80% retention when you're 200 years old, you're gonna be dead. sorry this is the most effort i can put into responding to such a dishonest and cynical post

>>20196910
Make your wedding flashcard-themed and you can get an entire month's worth of studying done in a single day. It's genius.

pipe down flashtards

>>20196919
Sure the formula isn't perfect, it's based on the forgetting curve which is imperfect. But come on, just saying "lol this won't work at all I just know!" is worse, especially when people use supermemo and remember stuff just fine

>>20196928
the formula only works in cases where it can be approximated by brute forcing the ideal interval modifier between 1.5x and 3x until your retention is what you want it to be

why?

because the formula is supposed to be slightly different (it's supposed to be over a logarithmic integral of the forgetting index) and it's supposed to result in a value with a different use (unit adjustment, not growth rate adjustment)

>>20196939
>because the formula is supposed to be slightly different

Yet again no source

>>20196949
alright man my shift's over your turn

>>20196951
Source the formula then.

You can't.

>>20196953
i was just smokin a cig dude do go on

>>20196840
>you're not using your own head
Can't use what you don't have

>>20196958
shit man i don't wanna have to do this for the next two hours it's gonna suck
>>20196959
wow

>>20196939
Give up dude not everybody likes math.

>>20196962
if i had that attitude i woulda quit a long time ago

>>20196957
This is true, but I know for a fact a formula exists because supermemo must be using it. And Anki devs have more invested in this than a random anon does so I doubt they'd all conspire to make up an incorrect formula and then give supermemo credit and then put it in their guide as fact.

>>20196967
>because supermemo must be using it
Supermemo is indeed using many dynamic adjustment functions, but is this one of them? And if it is, is it really feeding the same data to it as Anki's manual says to? Very unlikely, considering how broken it is and how many forms of dynamic adjustment you can come up with.

>And Anki devs have more invested in this
Anki's codebase betrays any expectations of competency anyone might have in its developers. They're complete morons.

oh cool i can take a breather after all smell you guys later

>>20196973
>Anki's codebase betrays any expectations of competency anyone might have in its developers. They're complete morons.
What'd you expect? It's written in fucking Python.

>>20196967
Isn't giving out incorrect information about a competitor to help convince users to stay away from them exactly what someone who cares about their product would do?

>>20196973
>DUDE! maybe everyone is wrong except me XD

Maybe dude, maybe. Anyway, I'm gonna just leave this thread now cause we kinda ruined it

>>20196976
おつでーす lol

Yosh! I smell an anon project coming on

>>20196980
Not if you put it in your own damn guide as fact, also Anki doesn't make any money. But supermemo does, and if they saw a lie in Anki's manual about them then they'd probably sue

>>20196978
An experienced, competent programmer can write beautiful code in any featureful language. Python is extremely featureful. Anki has been in development for a very long time, so its lead developer must be very experienced. You can only conclude from its terrible code, then, that its developer is incompetent.

I will be the first in line to use an anon-developed Anki replacement.

かわいい妹をクンクンしたい

>>20196989
or that they just don't care
>>20196987
anki has a commercial iOS version and it's basically its developer's full time job

>>20196989
Any """"""programmer"""""" who writes in python does not have the ability to retain experience, be competent, or write beautiful code.

>>20196999
>does not have the ability to retain experience
This might be true. Who knows?

>>20196989
I'm not a programmer, but I've hung around open source projects often enough to know that well-written code is either hilariously rare in them or not considered worthy of talking about. I'm not sure which.

>>20196986
>>20196990
Make an Android version ね

oh its skid hour now

lol x language sux!!!

lol well im not a programmer but ive visited github once or twice so

i got your anki replacement right here
こいよ、暗記なされ
>>20197003
anki is effectively written by a single person, it's not collaboratively developed, except for its dev accepting patches once in a while

>>20196996
Did the iOS developer write the manual? If not you don't have a point

>>20197013
the ios and desktop versions are developed by the same person and the desktop version functions as an ad for the ios version

anyways replacing anki would be really fucking annoying unless you did it inside of a web browser so i'm not up for it

Lmao @ ios users

>>20197019
Just write a anki collection -> your own format utility

>>20197025
been there, done that, turns out spaced repetition's utility to language learning is limited and you can emulate it with some extra input and good old fashioned paper and pencil

>>20197031
Only if you're doing it wrong.

>>20197037
the only way to get more out of it than you can with a notebook is to spend way too much time on it and cut years off your useful life hours

>>20197038
what's your definiton of way too much time

>>20197062
~15 minutes

>>20197062
idk like half an hour a day maybe 45 but half an hour is pushing it already

If your anki takes more than 15 minutes you're doing it wrong.

is knowing japanese impressive to cute asian boys

if your anki takes less than 15 minutes then you don't need it, pencil and paper would suffice

gay人 out

Clearly the obvious answer is to make your anki take exactly 15 minutes then.

15 minutes isn't an integer number of planck time units so it's actually impossible

>>20197095

>>20197095
Why would anyone use a pencil and paper in 2018? Just use your tablet lol

what is the proper way to use anki

>>20197124
Compute your scheduling intervals on pen and paper

I woke up with an illness but i managed to get 87% retention this morning my only worry is my weak nihongo brain won't be able to read. Remember that in times like this a bare minimum of 20 minutes of reading/listening sould be enough to stimulate the nihongo brain. An honest effort will never betray you

>>20197124
Mine from reading, do anki for exactly 15 minutes rounded to the nearest integer multiple of the planck time unit, then read for a few hours.

>>20197128
I hope I never get corrupted by Anki so badly that doing reps when I'm sick looks like a sane activity.

>>20197113
looks good
>>20197123
takes forever to write on a tablet

you anki sluts remind me of these mind broke cock sucker hentai bitches with the ahegaos lol

>>20197134
At least I didn't spend more than 15 minutes on them

Wow I love anki now

>うん
>ううん
japs really on dumb with this 1

these hos are just not happy unless theyre getting filled with decks

>>20197144
can't understand what you're trying to say, please stop typing like you have mental retardation

what's the best way to mine vocabulary from shit I'm reading

>>20197157
mouse over dictionaries and compelling content

>>20197171
already doing that and it doesn't help me learn the readings

>>20197144
>on
20197144-kun really on dumb with this 1

>>20197174
then you're mining wrong

>>20197144
>>20197177
digits really on dumb with this 1

>>20197157
>>20197174
Use furigana to look it up in a convenient dictionary, add the word to anki preferably through builtin dictionary feature.
I use Jsho on mobile which allows me to automatically add the word to anki.
Non-furigana content is for when you actually know Japanese.

>>20197144
nah I agree.. I hate that they do this, but it's whatever. I get it backwards still, but hopefully it gets easier tonotice down the road. It's like こ can mean old and young too. Context: the language.

>>20197174
Post your study method, card format and stats

If your memory is as bad as mine .

when I read i end up mining much more than i could study is that how its supposed to be

>>20197189
>>20197144
Do you also happen to use discord

>>20197196
how'd u know

>sentence mining
YES or NO?
>passive immersion
YES or NO?

>>20197194
no

>>20197219
No
Yes

Note: Passive immersion is worth it, but background immersion isn't. It only works when you are actually paying attention to it.

>>20197226
i don't know the words though what am I supposed to do

>>20197227
>actually paying attention
>passive
what

>>20197227
but passive immersion implies you dont listen actively

>>20197232
mine as much as you can study each day and study them before bed is what I do. if you mine more than you can study you might be tempted to skip reading some days and just study instead which is a bad idea

>>20197237
What if you mine as much as you come across but limit your new cards per day?

>>20197194
I used to do this but then i mined words that i see more than once or basic words like medicine or angry
>>20197219
Sentence mining might be useful because the context remains but since reading leaves more of an impact anyway just remember the context lmao. I tried passive listening for 4 hours and felt nothing

>>20197241
personally, I find having to mine words every day motivates me to read when I would otherwise skip it, so I wouldn't do this. but whatever works for you.

>>20197234
>>20197236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSWabajK1Sc

You guys need to stay up-to-date on the correct terminology.

>>20197247
So basically what you're saying is, don't bother mining everything you come across.

>>20197248
I'm not watching that video and that picture doesn't define the terms for someone who doesn't already know what they mean.

>>20197248
parially active immeraion -> passive immeraion
ok

why not just call it retarded immersion and not mislead

There's paying attention and then there's not paying attention and one of them works and it's obvious which one it is.

>>20197264
Not paying attention just like in those sleep-learning tapes

>>20197248
Partially active is such a better name though

>>20197248
get rid of the word passive
active
semi-active
background

good immersion → leaving this thread and watching naurto with english subs

partially retarded immersion → listening/reading/watching mostly incomprehensible shit

fully retarded immersion → https://streamable.com/l6h0h

>>20197281
watching with english subs will practice your english reading, watch raw and actually listen instead of focusing on the little white bars flashing at the bottom of the screen.

>>20197287
u can worry about after 10000 hours and upgrade to great immersion

if meditation is so good then why is Matt still insecure about his hair and wears a cap indoors?

>>20197289
he isnt meditating right, obviously

just meditate while you eat in the toilet for max efficiency

matt legit a lolcow

トイレになりました
たくさん食べさせたので、妹に待ってる

enlightenment is when u realize you can't learn japanese

>Yoga asks Matt if he'd used the death note
>Says no because the guilt would probably interfere with his meditation
>Matt makes video about haters bullying him online
>Says it would probably be a better use of his time to change his channel to exclusively teaching meditation
>Matt makes a video about how to learn Japanese
>Puts learning meditation as the first step

>>20197322
he's right you know. meditation is very helpful and good

how long do u need to meditate before it helps you in some way

10000 hours

I don't know. Step 1 of meditation is focusing on your breathing, but when I do that I can't catch my breath

>>20197337
i dont know but according to this book i read you get superppowers eventually

matt doesn't seem very enlightened

i think it's a scam

matt is a bodhisattva but he still can't tell you how to learn japanese :/.

when a japanese makes a typo and you cant read it w/ dictionary because you don't know japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsGEjar0Kxc

Who is Matt?

>>20197373
lmao Nuke is reading easy shit with Rikaichamp
is he terminally retarded

how can you suck so much at language learning, waste your precious time on ineffective stuff instead of spending that time with your family and friends, and still don't feel any shame?

>>20197376
**** is djt's voldemort

reading subtitles isn't real reading nuke

read a book

you were doing so well with that gay LN too

>>20197380
Man i didn't want to say anything but I noticed that too. I try to read everything without any help for a while and he goes straight to the hover dictionary as the audio is read too. He's like make believe learning.

>>20197342
ask me how I know you're fat

Nuke please read this book

dont mind me guys just having the best nihongo learning setup of all time

>>20197395
that actually does work it just takes like ten times as long to learn

>>20197402
Mop your floor you fucking filthy beast.

>>20197397
I'm 155lbs, ask me how I know you're retarded

Anyone have the mega link for VN core 1250?

>>20197410
I have 139 IQ

if matt is our voldemort卿 then which hp character is nukechan?

i never read hairy pothead because its not anime

>>20197415
rons sister

>>20197415
Probably his confused and incompetent follower: Malfoy

DJT is Azkaban

つかれた。
勉強しすぎた。

>>20197413
>my app told me so

>>20197412
within the コルヌコピア, in the 図書館

>>20197429
are we the prisoners or the dementors

>>20197421

Okay, listen up. I don't know who it is that keeps posting my and YogaPants' videos here but I want you to stop. All of you guys are having the same reaction to me challenging your worldview, you are cowering away when presented with a more accurate model of how the language learning process actually is. You are afraid to be wrong. I don't blame you, I was like that too - when I was deep into AJATT I couldn't consider possible benefits to utilising other aspects of other language learning methods such as the Core decks. But the fact of the matter is that now I am over my own initial sense of superiority and arrogance. I want to improve everyone's potential to learn Japanese in the most efficient way possible through the genesis of MIA. You guys gain absolutely nothing from sharing my videos here, mass disliking and harassing members of my community. If you want to criticise my arguments, fine. But back up your claims with science and reason, not anecdotes of some poster here getting fluent from "10,000 hours of anime".
This thread is an echo chamber. No one here will learn any Japanese. You guys are here 24/7 posting in English about how to learn Japanese. Meanwhile, in my Discord, useful links and resources on language acquisition are being shared constantly and I have disabled posting for most low-tier patrons in order for people to actually THINK and inform their own choices rather than consulting the more advanced members of the Discord. This is the fundamental difference between the two.
This thread on the /jp/ forum is a circlejerk, really. I'm not going to post here again but you guys should seriously reconsider what you're doing and should work on understanding the benefits of leaving this pessimistic echo chamber behind you. It'll help you if you truly want to improve in Japanese.

can someone translate this into japanese for me

>>20197436
we're the prisoners

jamal is a dementor

>>20197438
https://streamable.com/l6h0h

>>20197373
>Let's *read* Japanese
>Listens to a drama episode

???

>>20197433
Mega links there are not working. That's why I'm asking here.

Yeah I'm going to stay here more lol. I don't think learning Japanese is an intelligent thing to do anymore but I love Anki reading and playing hentai RPGs. Plus the memes here seem fun again

>>20197439
i dont know what most of those words mean in english

Outside of language learning how the fuck do people watch slice of life anime and not think it's utter shit.

>>20197438
>LARPing as Matt

Wow so creative, at least write something funnier next time

>>20197432
>my scale told me so

>>20197439
why. Japan has communists in it. Just go steal some of their memes from whereever they hang out

>>20197456
its good every once in a while but animes in a bad place right now for that and has been for prolly longer than youve been alive

at least a show like yorimoi happened ftw

>>20197453
what is Anki reading

>>20197467
i was just posting a stupid meme to get a reaction I thought it would be funny i regret doing it now because no one really reacted

>>20197475
anki IS reading (basically) but in focused bites

kinda bothers me that whoever has been making recent OPs hasn't linked to any of matt's stuff. he's had a huge influence on many learners here.

>>20197478
its ok dude you and >>20197438 can be roomies in the 僕 shed : )

>>20197478
If you want people to react just mention Anki or an eceleb

>>20197480
hes definitely influenced a lot of people to laugh and cringe and laugh while cringing

i kinda feel bad for the guy who went to the trouble of making that long matt bait for barely any (You)'s

he probably spend a good 15 minutes writing that

>>20197438

who brought him up?

>>20197488

>>20197451
go to the linked discord on the 掲示場 page if you can't figure it out, there are details there. you don't need an account
not posting how here with all the reddit and eceleb shitters about

I've heard that the most productive age of a man is beetween 20 and 25, and i'm 20, so maybe waiting until i'm 22 will make learning japanese more efficient?
This may sound silly but what do you guys think? I've been learning nihongo on and off for more than 2 years now and i didn't really make much progress aside from learning kanas and doing the first half of genki.
It's not that i'm being lazy, i just need a good excuse to really put myself into work.

[Sorry for the shitty english i'm an ESL]

>>20197438
↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑

>>20196029
Can anybody recommend a Japanese game with full voice acting and a hiragana (or at least funi) option? It should be pretty dialogue heavy, something like a point & click adventure or similar. Something like Zelda doesn't have enough audio conversations for me. Maybe some visual novels with full voice acting? It wouldn't hurt if it's beginner friendly and not completely shit. But currently I got nothing.

>>20197509
just play with japanese stuff and have a fuckin ball

>>20197438

>>20197520
dragon knight series on the pc98

matt out here ruining lives

calvin should just change his twitter handle to @retard

>falling for the no fap meme

poor guy

>learning japanese
>actively avoiding japanese porn
calvin is such a fucking [redacted] god bless his monkey soul

if youre not jacking off youre not learning japanese

>>20197548
>I am on the no fap forever wave
Yikes

>>20197531
Thanks, but isn't there anything that feels a bit more alive, with actual animation and way better audio? Maybe something from the last decade or so?

>>20197578
the last decade? thats not fair dude everything sucked since haruhi

>>20197582
>haruhi
Hmm I didn't even know that there was a haruhi video game. I might have a look at it, although I didn't really like the anime.

How long is your streak?

Any old fags here remember afroman in Japan?

>>20197596
3 months

>>20197301
>matt legit a lolcow
https://streamable.com/aedo4

>>20197342
I have an issue with that too and I don't know why. I try speeding up or slowing down the breaths but nothing helps.

>>20197622
what a cope

>>20197622
logically i know i shouldnt cry but 涙が止まらない lol

matts kind of cute desu

matt would be a cool kid if he ate with the other kids and not in the toilet

>>20197613
Impressive.
My longest must have been under a week.

matt if youre reading this go back to your country and get a desk job and go back to watching anime stop roleplaying as an intellectual

>>20197438
>You guys are here 24/7 posting in English about how to learn Japanese.
You can shitpost on DJT and still have many hours of free time to read or listen to Japanese you know.

>>20197596
3 years and ongoing

Lookin forward to seeing this card in a decade

>>20197646
I just dont like him bc he said he's not the type to ever associate with 4chan as if this place is so bad or he's so good. He also tries to over simplify too much. He's aiming his content for retards.

>>20197676
why havent you deleted it

>>20197681
Because tapping easy solves the problem faster

>>20197674
Yea why burn yourself out, i.e; time boxing. You can only focus and memorize so long.

>>20197683
youve had to tap easy more times than it wouldve taken just to delete it

matt if youre reading this

lol

>>20197687
True but what if I forget ニ
That thought terrifies me

im only here because i need at least one thread open at all times and sometimes that thread is this thread

>>20197676
press @

>>20197692
understandable

>>20197693
Same.
And I glance over it between episodes.

>>20197693
You kids and your 80hds.

what do you guys think of learning two languages at the same time, will it just end up crippling one of them?

>>20197412
i'll link it to you after i finish re-editing it make sure to keep checking djt or search it on warosu for the next week

>>20197805
i think most of us can't learn one language and the thought of learning two at the same time terrifies me

>>20197805
your brain doesnt really care you can do that

why would you half ass 2 things at once

>>20197805
theoretically it's fine but even easy languages are real time sinks

unless you have a really good reason it's better to do one at a time

>>20197831
it's fun. like half-assing watching my favorite streamer while half-assing anki reps

>>20197831
because even a whole ass has 2 cheeks : )

>Core has all these direct-from-English cognates as cards
Why do they think I won't know バナナ

because youre a flashtard

>>20197855
>Why do they think I won't know バナナ
Cause you might be American

>>20197438
>You guys gain absolutely nothing from sharing my videos here, mass disliking and harassing members of my community.
But I gain 楽しみ.

>>20197855
If they intended for core to be translated to non-English languages, which is likely because it was originally done by a business, having stuff like that which seems weird in english makes sense

>>20197445
cringe

>>20197445
delete this

itiban tuyoi gaijin ni naritai kara

*to naritai

I will say I implemented the 150% interval and the 50% lapse interval along with those add-ons that **** suggested and the past couple of days anki has been more enjoyable. I sense down the road it will be even better too once everything evens out. You see card reviews a lot less but Kaufmann suggesting doing less reps of cards and letting them sit in your deep mind more so it makes sense.

>>20197906
wow

itu demo ii yo

you know what to do

welcome to the suggested guide for japanese literacy a core series for the self study of japanese from basics and beginnings up to intermediate and hopefully advanced

>>20197938
unrealistic there are no stutters anywhere in your post

>>20197943
nuke chan is the porky pig of nihongo???

I haven't really been reading the sentences on core, am I fucking myself over

How old is nukemarine? Does he know about /djt/? I've been gone since like 2015 and I want to be one of you again

>>20197958
No, I did the same thing. If you try to do the sentences it will take you eternity. I plan on going back though and being able to read them pretty easy after I'm done with the deck though. But not knowing half the words at the start, it isn't worth attempting to do imo.

>>20197958
>>20197977
Yeah also be careful that you don't cheat with them. I absolutely don't recommend having them on the front page. It might sound like a good idea, giving you some context. But you will just end up using them as mnemonics for words you have trouble with, which is probably counter productive.

>>20197958
I think the audio will be effective for practicing speech afterwards too. Good deck.

I think i just found a hidden gem, 回復術士のやり直し on ninarou.

For a chuuni novel it's really easy, feels like a breath of fresh air after reading no game no life and trying to read re zero.

>>20198016
>65k bookmarks
>hidden
lol

>>20197947
rude

>>20197959
yes he posts here sometimes

>>20197959
He posts here and has a couple of videoes where he visits. He says he's like 42 but he looks 52 so idk.

nuke chans cool because he shows out sometimes and he doesnt take himself serious

nuke chans gay because hes 69 years old and is doing shit like this instead of just learning japanese >>20197404

>>20198042
Well i didn't know about it before.
Anyway i won't really read it, my ultimate goal is to be able to read re zero and i won't get there if all i do is reading easy stuff.
But i still leave it here for beginners who search for something easy and are into chuuni novels.

>>20198016
Thanks. I'd recommend a novel too but all I ever read is porn on nocturne.

in my day they aspired to taste the holy diction of romeo

now they wanna read isekai trash

nuke is such a memer

bless him

>>20198084
idgi whos the pic

>>20198077
I've been reading trash for so long that good writing, in any language, takes way too long to digest and upsets my word-stomach.

>>20198084
he's got trump derangement syndrome hardcore

>>20198077
If i cant self insert into the mc or if the mc doesn't get at least his first harem member by the end of the first volume i can't take interest into a story.

>genki teaches you that the potential form of ru verbs is られる when 99% japs drop the ら
that why textbooks fucking suck. they teach you shit that is so obsolete or textbook-y that you will basically never use.

Cure Dolly next up and coming vtuber when?

>>20198179
https://streamable.com/yczoj

i was watching george play dragon quest and there were words at the end of a sentence
これ以上うれしいことはないぞ
and i understood what they meant after thinking about it for 10 seconds because i'd encountered ことはない 5 days straight in anki and failed the card every time and i felt happy

>>20198196
Delete this. Dolly is pure.

>>20198198
Who?

>>20198199
shoulda been named pure dolly then but shes not shes a nasty bitch does shit other girls cant do wont do

>>20198207
https://youtu.be/VJ-WBkcS018?t=1482

Our dude George

>>20198210
god george is so aids lmao bless his heart

The fact George was a successful interpreter for so many years yet can't read children's games is fascinating.

>>20198210
O-oh. I was hoping for a Japanese youtuber because the only ones I know are all girls. Disappointing.

>>20197677
>He's aiming his content for retards.

Ever read YouTube comments? Most people are retards

matts gonna rage quit his youtube eventually from all the tards

or were gonna make him cry

whichever comes first

>>20197676
>doing a core deck for years

dolly is cute
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfY3-1ZK4S2BTQLDo_hVm4w/videos

i like matt because he is nicer than you guys even if he makes mistakes.

>>20198246
lmao good lord i knew it i knew this motherfucker was fucked up

>>20197920
Same. What's your new cards per day?

ACATT

>>20198246
Fucking SUBSCRIBED.

>>20198264
uhh that shits old he goes by the handle "sentenceminer" now get with the times

cant wait for the inevitable bad end where calvins laying around his his own filth in front of the tv clutching his arcade stick mashing the buttons mindlessly with glazed over eyes itll sorta be like touka bad end in classic hentai game "syarin no kuni"

whats this mother fuckers issue seriously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NcOz6C7qxo

how does this happen im still just wowing lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NcOz6C7qxo#t=55

>>20198293
Dolls once again proving that they deserve their creepy reputation

this vid has actual porky pig in it what the fuck bizarro world did i get teleported into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGThHsfVIng

>>20198339
A world of COMPELLING CONTENT.

remember to turn the english subs off or you won't learn anything from these videos

>>20198339
this is good listening practice

>use Dolly for lessons
>use Kinoko for practice
Fucking fool proof

>>20198359
im fuckin done https://streamable.com/oqic8

>>20198381
すごくおいしそう

>>20198388
そういう問題じゃねぇって

Displaying your mental illness on the internet ftw

>>20198404
>じゃねぇって
is this an abbreviation of じゃないという?

Have you guys realized this is impossible yet? There's just too many words. And no your gay anki isn't helping.

>>20198449
it gets better after 10000 hours of english subbed anime

i want to know Japanese people learning English memes. where can I find them. the memes

>>20198246
That's even more disturbing than his "educational" channel. What the fuck.

>>20198489
Why did you put educational in quotes, friend? Dolly is telling us things textbook companies don't want us to know.

>>20198477
nip memes aren’t funny :V

>>20198493
Are you the freak who runs that godawful channel, is that why it is being spammed here all of a sudden? Seek help.

who would win?

>>20198527
nuke was in the army, does crossfit, has a full head of hair and has boomer strength i think he can take toilet lunch boi easily

>>20198527
Nuke would just pull out his gun and shoot him. However Matt may be able to dodge this through meditative speed. If he can, he will recite classical Japanese while filling a piss jug until nuke dies of frustration from not being able to pause and look up the words

matt would be like that dude from kof who has to drink to power up except it would be to piss in the jug to gain power

>>20198527
i like nukes hair in the thumbnail

Matt was right. This place truly is a circlejerk.

is genki bad

>>20198588
no

>>20198580
might as well jack each other off if were not gonna learn japanese

>matt eating a japanese lunchable in a toilet
>nuke chan eating a home hooked meal by japanese wife in luxurious living room in japan

now you tell me who won

>>20198592
You could at least not jerk off youtubers you're fixated on. Shit's weird.

>>20198612
it was epic when that guy posted the doll fuckers other channel it was enjoyable and really fucken weird ┐(‘～` )┌

>>20198620
That doesn't even count as circlejerking compared to shit like >>20198527

>>20198196
I can't make out what she's saying

>>20198655
i mean i think the shits gay too dude i tried >>20198543

>>20197438
>utilising
>criticise
If you're going to pretend to be an American, at least remember to use American spelling.

0/10 - See me after class.

>>20198697
Being American doesn't necessarily mean you always use American spellings. I grew up reading enough British stuff that it still sometimes slips through.

official djt circlejerk theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t035_8aHY1Q

>>20198710
>I grew up reading enough British stuff that it still sometimes slips through.
Really? I'm British and have had plenty of exposure to American English over the course of my life, but I never accidentally use American spellings instead of British ones.

When I do use American spellings (e.g. most of the time when posting on 4chan), it's a deliberate choice.