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Whats the best Style for Letty?
I'm considering Power for her, but i kinda feel like getting a second opinion about this

Post download links

>>20014955
https://mega.nz/#!0hMUEQiD!lKZbP5f2RymHx-kH65XXG_Yl253bvMZZfbNvBGHR2xY

you can play as Magan?

>>20015159
you can have him as your poke-touhou-mon

How good is Extra Lily?

>>20015421
Pretty much every touhou is good/has a niche they fill well. If nothing else I'd say make a backup save and try experimenting yourself on what style you think you should stick with. Or catch/use multiple of the same puppet.

http://tpdp.dabomstew.com/saveeditor

Save editor can basically do everything except change story progression, even allows move customisation.

So was the translation for this actually finished now?

>>20016213
yes

>>20014964
I get to step 7 and then it breaks. Neither the base game or the expansion will launch. Why?

>>20016501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3F0MjQs6PQ

Has anybody tried out Extra Parsee and her two of a kind ability? Does it only affect damage dealing skills or can I set up a double poison trap in a single turn? What kind of fun shenanigans can she do?

>>20016583
>>20016501
Thanks, got past 7, but that's where the video stops being relevant.
Does that Mega link have the recently-released translation in it? If so, does step 9 mean copy-pasting the SoD_Translation_Team-Testing folder into the game folder, duplicate applications and all? That doesn't seem right. What to do with the dupes?

So there's nothing in the lunar capital except the iron will ribbon and ancient lunar sake (and some puppets), right?

>>20017706
pretty much, yeah

So what's this "Cla." thing all attacks have? Like "BU" or "EN" or "None".

Also am I assuming right that sealing puppets is more effective when they have low HP and/or statuses? I missed a seal once, so I'd figure.

>>20018337
I think the Cla. thing is the skill's Class.
I dunno if there are any other uses for a skill's class, but looking at the item list on the wiki, it seems like there are two items that reflect damage if you're hit by a BU-class skill and an EN-class skill, respectively.

Also, I dunno if sealing is easier at lower HP or not, but there are higher-tier seals that can make it easier, plus lowering a puppet's HP before sealing can make capturing them easier regardless.

>>20018369
Okay, thanks. So Cla. is kinda like Pokemon's "makes contact" or not. Kinda kinda.

And yeah, I already had a seal time-out when a wild Keine decided to oneshot two of my puppets, including my starter. I seriously doubt I get used to all these types and weakness interactions. I'm really not used to steel being so effective offensively..

>>20015421
Extra Lily is the most balanced version of Lily White, she's pretty good in Genbu AKA Trick Room.

>>20018432
I swear to god running a Genbu based team outside of PvP is bothersome as fuck. I realized this while still in late-early game just before Youkai mountain, and decided to call it quits and start a new game with a party that doesn't revolve around getting your five turns of fame before having to find a way to set up again.

>>20018395
Don't equate types in this game with pokemon types. Steel in TPDP is actually the worst defensive type as it has 4 weaknesses, which is more than any other type.

>>20018663
That's why the game needs the double battle mechanic.

>>20018686
It's all I have to go by. This steel feels a little more stoney though. I think it kills flying and such. (aka wind?) Well, I only beat the Cirno gang so far, so it's still early. The treasure loving mouse (that I hoped to have some useful treasure finding skill, but doesn't) actually carried. With steel. Until she got grassed.

It's fine though. Going into "Pokemon" without knowing anything, having to guess with my Touhou knowledge and the puppet looks and so on isn't half bad. Not like you can swap for free here anyway.

>>20016675
I just tested her ability. To keep it short (and I can give a long explanation if you want), it only affects attack skills, and only duplicates the attacks themselves, not their additional effects.

Post 6IV 2hus.

>>20019387
E- only super /jp/ tourney when?

>>20019422
I have already made several gimmick trainers, might as well go for full E-.

>>20019387

fug I don't know who to pick as my starter. I did a playthrough with Heca-tan when the expansion was new. Should I pick Okuu now? There are too many choices.

>>20020351
Your favorite Touhou.

>>20020351
I had the same dilemma and just spammed random page on the Wiki to decide and got this cute Grandma.

>>20015602

Bullshit. Rinnosuke exists.

>>20021612
He's half-human, so he technically doesn't count.

>>20021643
Yeah, but one of his parents was interested enough in youkai to lead us to the current state of affairs.

>>20021094
Such cheat, much wow.

I feel like I should put a few points in HP over satk to make up for the E-. Thoughts?

>>20021663
he was conceived via rape

Anyone have any luck getting SoD to work on linux on 1.103? base game runs fine vanilla/updated/translated, but SoD only runs on a fresdh install. If i update it to 1.102, it starts giving this error. I thought it had to do with the appdata config, but checking wine that doesn't seem to have changed at all so I'm not sure what's causing it

Early on, but I can already tell that Power Lily is a monster.

>>20019282
So much for that then, I guess. Back to the drawing board with team building. Thanks anyway.

Anything miss-able? Probably not, but can't hurt to ask.

>>20022436
Nevermind, found solution here:
http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=728.0

In case anyone else has problems, check the Log.txt for the error posted there. If it's about notkey, make a notkey directory in SoD and install the base game to there, edit your appdata cfg files, and it should work

How does Extra Hecatia work? I know it's like Aegislash, but what exactly are the changes in each form, and how do you switch form? The wiki isn't very helpful here.

>>20023131
No need to feel bad, I missed it the first time, too.

Anyone have the link for the current english patch for shards of dreams? I just keep finding the old interface patch or the base game.

>>20022845
Nope. There are also no "legendary" 2hus or something like that which you might accidentally kill.

>>20022845
Kokoro appears as a battle in the mausoleum in the true postgame.

>>20022845
Some rematches like Mokou and Kaguya should be fought as soon as they're available or their fights end up becoming uninteresting steamrolls since their teams don't level up with you except possibly in post game. You'll miss out on a lot of fun if you don't fight them when their puppets are still around the same level as yours.

>>20023211
I could have sworn that was not there last time I looked. But thank you.

The game keeps freezing every time I try to enter the Hakurei cave. What do?

>>20022844
For the record, there is one move that actually benefits from that ability (more than simply because it deals 20% more damage), and that's Overskill, since in addition to 120% damage, the user also only suffers 60% the recoil. And it isn't even a STAB, anyway. Most other gimmicks associated with it are not really beneficial, like higher crit chance with Magic Ring and better flinch chance (though still not higher than 30%) with Champion's Medal.

>>20023365
Turn up the audio, then toggle the menu when it’s frozen. If you can hear the sound effects, select until you save. Then load and you should be in the cave.

>>20023230
http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=4364.0

>>20023277
>>20023285
>>20023261
Thanks. Helpful.
No legendaries, though? That sucks.

Are there any special tricks power Iku can perform?
I thought she looked pretty good since with Air Cushion she has no weak elements(but not many resists either), and with her low speed she could reliably use the telescope with the low accuracy 120 power moves.

>>20023524
The game aims for extreme balance and that is sadly a negative result of that. Nothing you catch will really feel special. Tho I still like this more than the unbalanced mess you had in many of the old Touhoumon hacks.

>>20023524
Who would even be legendary? EX stages? Some PC-98s?

Is the item Tewi selling for 10 millions a joke like the bicycle in pokemon or a real thing?

>>20023904
I've never had more than 2 millions at once, but it doesn't look like the trainer card can fit more than 7 places. I bet it's a joke.

>>20023880
Old Touhoumon versions had the characters from the very first game as legendaries. Especially the non-human looking and Sariel, who used to be Mewtwo.

>>20023880
Just make it different versions (with unique poses and outfits) of select puppets. Call it Phantasm Style or whatever.

The disadvantage would be that now certain 2hus have more options, which kind of works against the game letting you play with your favorites by keeping all the BSTs nicely balanced and letting you choose anything at the start, but I think it would be worth it. Catching Pokemon / Puppets is the driving force of game, after all, and grand hunts for legendary captures is a good climax for that gameplay pillar.

If there ever were to be another Touhoumon game, it would be good to have more different ways to optain new puppets in general. Pokemon games have all sorts of encounters from gifts to fishing to special evolution methods to legendary battles, but TPDP mostly just has long grass and the occasional pot.

>>20023904
It’s a reference to the Pokémon scam. The money is capped at 9999999, so you literally cannot buy it anyway.

>>20023880
I think more obscure characters who were only mentioned like Chang'e or Layla could be legendaries. Yes, their appearances but just make them covered in shadows or something

I wonder just how fast is Sakuya's Power Remilia when you fight her in the kitchen. I guess I shouldn't have expected much, but I still wiped the rest of her team with my lv.73-76 puppets, only for Remi to come out and outspeed and OHKO them.

>>20021094
That’s very tempting...

where the HECK is kokoro

>>20024753
Within all of us.

>>20024753
human village. She's a rare encounter though

which remi turns out better in general, speed or power?

Kasen is a pretty bad puppet.

>>20025266
speed

So there's already a puppet tier?

>>20025424
All I remember is people highly praising Assist Chen because she basically has something like Arena Trap.

>>20025466
yeah but beside that assist chen sucks
she dont have good support moves or spa to kill things

>>20025466
Extra Satori is top tier for her Greninja ability.
And probably Speed Elis.

>>20025424
Online usage stats are always dominated by the same puppets, so that may reflect how good they are. Extra Hina and Extra Aya often sit at the top, for example.

>>20025533
I see more often Defense Hinas than Extras.

>>20025424
Extra Renko and Speed Seiga are so good options.

>>20025533
How is extra Aya better than power? There are better tanky options and power is probably the best at bursting

Arctic Monkeys are so fucking good

I have captured like 120 Sanaes and I'm about to go insane because the vast majority have horrid stats. Please help me pick, I kinda want to use power because of her type, trying to avoid extra since I have three light types in my team

>>20025953
Second is perfectly viable though. You can also reincarnate them later.

>>20025953
Why? You can play with 6E- Renko until the moment you are allowed to reincarnate. And then you can turn any puppet into a 6S one, even if you don't have a single one with even one S in your boxes. Just get them stones, you don't even need the rainbow one.

>>20025984
Alright I'll use the second one then
>>20026001
Because I'm autistic, does reincarnation keep the blue stat or are you allowed to change it?

>>20026019
you are allowed to change blue stat upon reincarnation

>>20026053
Thanks, now I hope I can get Parsee soon

>>20023599
>Nothing you catch will really feel special.
This is and was Purple's biggest failing. Incredibly disappointing to see this fall for the same trap. Balance is important, but when you're actively avoiding doing fun stuff because it'd be imbalanced, you really need to rethink your priorities, especially in what is mainly a single-player game.

>>20023880
Literally anyone.

>>20026251
You are legendary.

>>20026251
>>20026263
>the only legendary puppet is (You)r puppet
god i wish this happened

I can't get the sound to work I've tried resetting the settings, and turning them to 0 and then back up but nothing works. My speakers are plugged in and working and I haven't found any answers online.

>Reach SDM
>my highest level puppet is level 28, lowest is 22
How much grinding should I do?

>>20026474
A lot. Your starter has to at least be level 35

>>20026474
you want at least 2 puppets to be in an upgraded style, maybe more depending on who your team is exactly

>>20026474
The bosses team has levels between 30 and 33.

>>20026657
*boss's

hosting see 6 pick 3
100506

Which is more viable, Deadly Secrets or Boundary Trance?

I have always been interested in this game but it seems like a lot of work to get it running?
I have played a few pokemon games, Is it similar enough to pick it up and understand everything right away?

>>20027060
yes, it's most similar to gen4/5 if you have played those even though it sorta looks like gen 3. There is a lot of convenience built into the game that removes much of the most autistic things you need to do in pokemon for a perfect team.

>>20027060
>it seems like a lot of work to get it running?
Just follow the instructions, that's all there is to it
>I have played a few pokemon games, Is it similar enough to pick it up and understand everything right away?
Self explanatory most of the time but I personally have problems memorizing all the types and weaknesses

>>20027159
Gameplay mechanics mimic gen 6 the strongest.

>>20027216
>>20027164
>>20027159
ok, sounds easy enough. hopefully the first mega link in this thread is the correct version. ill check it out

how should i build extra seija, she seems to have a even spread sans speed and slightly heightened defences

>>20027060
I never had trouble getting it running so I;m really confused as to why everyone else needs steps

>>20026474
A fair amount. You should have several styled puppets by now

I know the AI reading your moves is part of the difficulty but it's still frustrating:
>Have metal puppet VS fire
>Switch to a water one
>AI does a electric attack the same turn with the fire puppet and one shot me
Or
>Have metal puppet VS fire
>Switch to a water one
>AI switch at the same time for your hard counter
And it can happen multiple times in a row. I wanted to play fair, not overleveling everything and stomp with +20 lvl but i guess that's why online exists.

>>20026515
>>20026567
>>20026657
>>20027595
I've been riding on Patchy's coverage until now, which is why my girls are all fairly low level. I'm running with her, Shou, Kosuzu, Nitori, Sumireko and Youmu. Also my fucking Youmu has great IVs but she gets one shot by everything.

>>20027765
Who are you battling against? There is one character that literally cheats against you.

>>20025357
I think Assist AQN using Curse Return instead of Frail Health is the worst puppet in the game.

>>20025357
assist kasen is the fastest puppet that can trap fighting types

Anyone tried out the Satori battle? Pretty brutal when she uses the exact same party and item setup as you, equal levels, IVs, and all

>>20027955
You can cheese it very easily. Take only 1 puppet lvl 3 and do a cripple fight until you win.

>>20013239
i require a Nether, Mima or Seiga?

>>20027906
>Assist Akyuu is the Shedinja of this game
Are there any other blatant expys as well?

>>20028068
seiga's best form isn't nether so mima

>>20027765
Once I had my Hecatia puppet against an Assist Satori. I was swapping between Focus and Spread attacks, but she successfully countered them all. Not sure whether this was luck or cheating, I didn't mind that much considering my opponent.
I can't remember any AI shenanigans otherwise though.

>>20028096
Assist Satori is Wobbufet

>>20028096
Defense Orange is Chansey.
Power Suika is Slaking
Power Yukari is Regigigas

>>20028096
Power Sakuya is Scizor

Power Suika is Slaking

Defense Orange is Blissey

Power Yukari is a special attacking Regigigus

Defense Junko is Cressellia

>>20027534
speed and attack, spam overdrive for usurpation boosts. she's physical serperior.

>>20028096
>>20028107
>>20028129
>>20028147
Defense Kaguya is Blissey too.
Power Miko is Archeops.
Extra Renko is Shuckle.
Extra Satori is Greninja.
Speed Yuki is a Special Nidoking.
Assist Kana and Koishi are Sableye.

Which defense do I build for Sunny?

>>20028568
which one?

>>20028520
Speed Yuki is more like a special Darmanitan.

>>20028587
assist

>>20028592
might as well do HP and FDEF those are not terribly huge defenses but she could survive certain weaker attacks on switch in like priority moves with proper prediction

Some good Baton Passers?
The only one that I use is Kosuzu.

>>20028520
>Extra Satori is Greninja.
Slowpoking a bit here but wasn't Kokoro the Greninja of the game? Then again I never got far with YnK in Japanese.

>>20028520
>>20028646
I stopped keep track of Pokemon after 5th gen. What's Greninja do?

When does the game get hard? I just cleared the Scarlet Devil Mansion and i pretty much wiped the floor with Remilia, who i heard was supposed to be a challenge.

>>20028646
Extra Satori has the same ability of Kokoro in YnK, but considering that E-Satori has 120 speed base she's the most acurate version of Greninja.

>>20028681
The non-default ability let him change types to whatever move he uses, which obviously allows for a lot of good stuff.

>>20028643
defense kotohime has every defensive move you could want and has the moody ability as well

>>20028681
Greninja Protean ability can change his type to be the same type as the move it's using, if he use Ice Beam then the ability turns him inmediately in Ice Type, so all attack gains STAB with this.

Here is the same with the Infinite Changes ability.

>>20028643
defense koto. no weaknesses, supernatural border, invoke diety, first aid, backup plan, and moody.

I miss my speed-up button.

>>20028781
Cheat Engine's a decent alternative. I still want a built-in speed-up function, though.

>>20028879
I wish we could get a speed-up button that wouldn't distort the music.

>>20028096
Defense Shimmie is a sort of tankier Medicham.

Does Remi not spawn until after I've defeated her? Already found two Flans but none of the superior sister.

>>20029014
She still does, you just got bad RNG.

>>20027765
Mokou did this to me one time. Her Sumireko conveniently switched to using water attacks when I'm switching my Kogasa to Sukuna. Cheating much?

>>20029047
if it's anything like pokemon ai there is a 50% chance to use the strongest attack against your active, 25% chance to use a random move and the last 25% chance is to cheat predict what you are doing

So, after playing this for a bit:

-I'm happy it's not like those kaizo hacks, where the devs didn't understand that trainers on a route aren't supposed to be so strong that you need to fully heal after each one, but beat them all in one go. It's still more wonky than in the original Pokemon, unfortunately, so it may've been a weird coincidence. Not being able to switch was a bad idea. Pokemon allows you to do that against enemies in the main-game for good reason. (mainly damage mitigation on the long run and teaching you the importance of weakness abuse and as such remembering types)

-The exp is wonky. There seems to be bonus exp when something is way underleveled, but no penalty when you are overleveled. You overlevel FAST. This makes key battles rather.. boring.

-Did they really need to adapt something like "if your box is full, you can't get new pokemon" into this? Come on.

But, the game is quite cute, for what it is. Being able to change a puppet's outfit is also a nice touch. In rare cases that even leads to completely different looks, it seems like. Gameplay-wise I wouldn't consider it above Pokemon. I know that the IV/EV thing is more convenient in this, but I never bothered with that in Pokemon anyway, so it's kinda irrelevant to me. In exchange, the move learning thing is annoying. I appreciate an easy way to CHANGE them, but I seriously don't appreciate having to go to the menu every time something learns something, just to see it's garbage anyway.
I'd probably have more fun with better exp scaling. In Black 2 I felt like the balance was always completely on spot. By the elite 4 I was 10 levels behind, which was also just right, probably because of bonus stats and whatnot. Here I'm lvl 26 against lvl 16, just because I want to get the puppets to see what they can do.

>>20029472
>Not being able to switch
???

>>20029472
>Not being able to switch was a bad idea. Pokemon allows you to do that against enemies in the main-game for good reason.
Go to options of any mainline Pokemon game, change the battle style to set. Now you're playing Pokemon the way it was meant to be played.
Also I'm pretty sure I never ran into box problems here.

>>20029472
A FUCKING BOX

>>20029472
What do you mean not being able to switch? Just select the 'puppets' option in the battle menu.

>>20029586
I think he means in pokemon you can switch after killing an enemy, and it wont take up your turn

>>20013239
is there an equivalent to destiny bond in this game?

>>20029771
call of the dead, lots of things that should have it don't though

>>20029776
like kaguya, right?

>>20029776
Just hack it in.

>>20029776
what about encore? I want to make a gimmicky genbu build with a focus sash item that is either locking the enemy into a status move while I beat them to death or dying to kill them.

>>20028096
Power Mystia is Yanmega

>>20029787
that's encourage and available on substantially more things, it's a sound type move so not sure how it interacts with the sound immunity abilities though

>>20029781
I once wrote a save editor for one of the FireRed Touhoumon hacks. I have no idea what the file structure in TPDP is like or how the sprites are stored in there, but the thought of hacking /ourgirl/ Rin into it seems like a fun side project.

>>20029885

>>>20015602

Which style works best for Koakuma? I want my OL demon, but I'm not sure how to make her work.

Any good defensive builds for Extra Merry? Resisting everything except two meme types sounds super nice.

>>20023880
Shanghai

>>20030002
Big meme type in this game is dream, which only like 4 puppets have.

>>20029996
Depends on what you want her to do. All of them have Bind trap which is something to consider. Assist and Extra have the speed to get it out before being knocked out and Extra will probably take a hit too. Revolving Illusions will compensate for her abysmal Fo.Att, Panic Call can be handy and just either take the foe with you with Call of the Dead or Changeling her out of there once she's done her job. Assist on the other hand has Shinigami's Waltz which you can use to cheese in PvE while curse return is great when you know you're up against that sort of attack. You can also spread status ailments with Will-o'-Wisp if you've got nobody else in your team to do that.
All in all, I'd probably go with Extra and make her the team kunny since that's what she does best.

You can hack puppets with illegal moves? Thats disgusting

>>20030002
Sound and Warped are very powerful types. Sound is like this game's Ice.

First generations pokemons were easy to reconize by type (a fire dragon, a plant with legs, a ball of stone etc). It was easy to adapt to their weaknesses. But how do you do that here? Some are obvious like water for Cirno but even then she has 3 forms with each their own weak/strong resistances. It's fucking hard to memorize and looking at a wiki before/during a fight feels like cheating.

>>20030002
>Super effective against sound
Miko says hi.

>>20030365
You can tell one of a trainer's puppet's types by the color of its ball as well as the special effect if it's evolved, but other than that just look at the wiki. The game really should just have had type indicators in battles in the first place anyway.

>>20030365
Ironically it isn't very obvious with Cirno, since ice in pokemon is weak to fire.

>>20028096
Power Cirno is just a more busted Hidden Ability Blaziken.

>>20030041
>>20030354
>>20030366
Wait. How does her Known Limits work, actually? Her second ability is literally tinted lens I think, but going off the description I thought it reduces damage taken/given from anything non Void/Illusion.

>>20028096
Extra Renko is Shuckle.

>>20030441
Known Limits weakens non-STAB moves for both parties. So if Power Wakasagi (Water type) attacks Maribel with Ultra High Tone, the move will only be 66% as powerful. But if Speed Wakasagi (Water/Sound) uses it, it will deal full damage. And Maribel herself will always deal less damage with anything that isn't Void or Illusion. It also looks like the effect doesn't stack if both puppets have this ability.

>>20030563
Ah, so it doesn't only apply to the type of the owner of the ability.

Skilled Hand it is then.

>>20030410
Speed Miko and Mystia are better speed boosters than P Cirno.

Is it possible to get defeated in the first battle against your favourite 2hu if you pick certain characters, like someone with really high attack?

>>20030878
When you get under a certain amount of hp, the fight stop and Marisa says that your favorite is tough, but she join you anyway and Marisa is astonished by you for capturing it without needing seals.

>>20031053
>>20030878
In other words, it's exactly the same either way. Whoever gets to 1HP first (or if five rounds pass, I think), the fight stops and the same thing happens.

Stupid question but is there a way to play on fullscreen?

>>20031220
Get a smaller monitor

>>20031220
Haven't really tried it, but alt+enter or one of the F# keys might work.

I want to marry Magan.

>>20031486
didnt magan has electric girl or something between eyes

>>20031563
Isn't that a headcanon?

>>20031862
It's not even headcanon

>>20031862
The electricity in the middle of Magan looks vaguely like a little girl in their official art.

But it's ZUNart so who knows.

Is Extra Hecatia good or just a meme? I can't pick between her and Junko

Is Junko any good in this? I kinda want to use her but I'm not sure what to do with her in the end. Her abilities seem pretty weak.

>>20032483
Knowing the AI, it will probably perfectly predict which body you are switching to most of the time.

>>20032498
she is functional, she has a BST of 590 which is the upper limit of stats before a puppet usually has a negative ability to counter act it

power is a physical brawler that can use surprise spread attacks decent stats except speed

speed is a completely acceptable fast spread attacker that isn't as frail as others

extra form is cresselia making her one of the few solid bulky puppets

Can you reincarnate your favourite to change which stat gets the extra bonus or do you have to savescum at the start of the game?

>>20030795
>P Cirno 105 Speed 120 FAtk
>S Miko 90 Speed 125 FAtk
>P Mystia 75 Speed 110 SAtk
>P Cirno only has one weakness as well
How the fuck are they better sweepers

>>20032536
Where do you find this AI? Battle Tower?

>>20032581
yes, however just redoing the beginning when starting is way faster to get your main puppet the emblem you need for it

Geez I think it took me 30 encounters to find 1 tiny 2hu in the starting area.

>>20032598
Too fragile, even a normal hit will kills her 90% of the time, no good boost moves for sweep, paper.

>>20032842
Well duh, she's a sweeper they're normally pretty squishy as most of their stats are in speed and attack.
And I'll agree no good way to boost attack stat sucks, but she still hits pretty hard and is plenty faster than most. Just Life Orb her ass and hope she takes 1-2 touhous with her.

>>20032598
Cirno has no coverage outside of javelins and Break Shot, and no way to boost her own power. Though looking at Miko, her coverage isn't much better, but at least she has two recoil STABs.

>>20032895
Cirno has a recoil STAB as well, plus Ice Coffin with 20% chance to flinch.
And yeah while her coverage isn't great, she can use Death Match as a last resort or use Lightning Speed to switch out quickly even if its not with her best stat she can still chunk a bit with SAtk.

>>20032891
Considering that the most tier 2hus like Aya, Satori or Marisa have more than 120 base speed and the most resistent 2hus like Renko, Hina or Junko laughs of her 120 base FoATK without boost and plus her poor moveset, isn't a toooo best sweeper.

Is D-Keine good with her EX mode?

>>20032933
Well thats why I compared her to Blaziken, Protect the first turn and then out speed.
But Defense characters are always gonna be a problem with pure attackers unless your opponent really just allows Mystia to spam Brave Song.
Still through I think P Cirno is just as formidable as the other two and both have their weaknesses and strengths.

>>20032933
The reason why it's specifically Power Cirno being discussed is because she has Up Tempo (which some may know as Speed Boost).

>>20032968
>
But Blaziken has ways to boost its attack easily. Cirno does not.

>>20032989
Yeah thats the only major difference which does suck, Blaziken in the meta does have trouble using Swords Dance though due to its squishiness so you can go battles without ever using it.

>>20032961
She doesn't get Inner Power or a recoil move other than Overskill, and so she has to rely on the opponent to activate it. And I don't know if it's common in this game but she, like most puppets that I've seen so far, has very few coverage options, since most of her moves are steel or fighting.

>>20032961
Why the fucking fuck doesn't she get Belly Drum?

>>20033156
because it would be too easy

Holy fuck, I can't beat Seija with her stupid Tewi Sticky Weeb.

>>20026335

Your starter is likely the only all S puppet you will see before reincarnation is found, and is the only one capable of using the incredible dream shard and kater boundry shard item without you personally investing a large amount of grind in a puppet. As reincarnation doesn't exist before you fix it, your starter is basically the best puppet in gensokyo, with only shinki's cheat invested puppet being stronger. Not only that but you meet it already tame and it seals itself, which just does not happen anywhere else. For all intents and purposes, your starter IS a one of a kind special OP puppet just like a legendary.

What's exactly the function of the Dream Shard? say that increases stats but I don't see changes.

>>20033440
it's a boost like choice scarf, it doesn't display the amount of stats it increases but when you are in a fight you get a boost to your stats except HP

>>20028687
If you don't avoid fights and thus xp, you'll probably steamroll through to the final boss who will spike the difficulty up to "hard", which carries into post. If you avoid fights you won't have style change for Remi and she takes a dump on you and I imagine similar spikes occour later.

>>20028147
Even among expies, some got big changes, like PYukari having not-rest and a bad protect to help stall, and an ability that instead of merely going away after 5 turns, becomes "speed boost for special dragon dances"

>>20032539
Shinki's are 600 BST, but junko is very high stated still.

>>20029472
>Did they really need to adapt something like "if your box is full, you can't get new pokemon" into this? Come on.
Wut

I don't understand. Did you fill the ENTIRE thing? Because when a box gets full, the next puppet goes into a new box

Does Extra Renko has anything over Shuckle? Shuckle seems to have better utility moves while Renko gets better ability and slightly better typing (4x dark weakness sucks hard though).

Does she even get any recovery other than not!rest?

>>20034182
Even if E-Renko has weak x4 to Dark and no recovery other than Continue/Rest, she doesn't have another weaknesses and resist more commons types like Light and Sound, can boost her both defenses for being more tank or put the Barries for support the equip in case that you need to switch with less damage, plus can negate certain abililties like E-Satori's Infinite Changes or the amount of Levitate users like Hina, she eventually can't work alone, but it's a really good support/annoying puppet, Shuckle can't compete in terms of utility.

>Extra Kokoko with Mindless Dance
If I got this right, she can use Outrage clones and such without getting confused at the end at the cost of 10% base power?

>>20034348
Yes, the Outrage clones are nerfed aproximately to 100-103 of power.

Extra Ichirin is literally just a bulkier special attacking Azumarill, right?

>>20034388
Going by the wiki, she only learns Dark and Nature Outrages and the confusion thing has never been that big of a problem anyway so I'm not sure if that really changes anything at all. Am I missing anything important here?

For some reason, whenever I install the 1.10 to 1.20 patch, the game holds the up button and I can't get it to stop. Is there any way to fix this? I haven't had this problem the previous times I tried to install it.

Is there a list of percentages of hold item boosts? Or something that could give me specifics.

>>20034805
hold items should follow their pokemon equivalents the, dream shard should be a 10% increase across the board

>>20034862
Thanks.

>>20034805
For items that boost damage or stats, you can use the damage calculator to see what difference they make. Don't know about the ones that make flinch and critical proc more often, but they probably work the same as in pokemon.

Now I'm afraid of turning my starter Satori with a SAtk emblem into Greninja and making the rest of the game melt down.

Ran, Chen and Magan? What kind of event is this?

>>20033411
When I said "(You)r puppet" I meant a puppet of your player character, not your starter puppet.
Never really thought about that, though.

>>20035010
There’s a tournament in the human village in the true postgame.

Power, Defense, or Extra Rumia?

Oh god what the fuck.

I just wanted to say how fucking much I hate Koakuma now. Stop running away you bitch.
Also speaking about hate, what the fuck do I even do in the SDM? I've run around so much that now I have two full parties at level 30 fuck you

>>20035447
So it's like the inverse battles in gen6, although those affected your whole team.
Thinking about it, wouldn't it be cool/possibly broken if there were a trick room-like move with a similar effect?

>>20035498
Maybe there should be a move that turns type immunities into instant kills.

>>20035498
>>20035510
Just get Tearrain [Byakko], a couple of Ellys, Seirans and Tenshis and blast away with OHKO moves for the same effect.

Is it just me, or does Skilled Hand not work? it said that barrier resistances are ignored, but it seems that there are no changes when I attack a puppet with that resists my attack.

>>20035597
It could actually be referring to immunities and not resistances (i.e. it'd let you use void-type attacks against illusion), but that's just a hunch.

As somebody who hasn't played Pokemon in a long while, is the amount of coverage you can get on your units normal? Feels like I can rarely switch around my puppets safely.

>>20035597
>>20035616
It's supposed to hit enemies that resist your move's type for neutral damage. Just like Seiryu, it doesn't remove type immunities.

But I just looked at how the damage calculator treats that ability, and according to it, what Skilled Hand actually does is double the power of resisted hits. So if a move is resisted by both of the puppet's types, it will deal half of its damage instead of a quarter. Basically, it's Tinted Lens.

Are items like Ancien coin or Layla amulet forced to be held by the puppet in combat to work?

Does Rinnosuke get a wedding dress as well?

>>20036335
Yes, he gets a white suit.

>>20036335
Not a dress, but he does get wedding suit.

why there is not a fortune teller puppet ;_;

>>20036547
Because Reimu killed them alll

>>20036173
Yep

The only way to "undo" style changes is by reincarnating in the post-game, right? Then again it's probably far better to just catch 3 of every 2hu and get all styles.
Also fuck me trying to decide what to do with these styles is going to be a pain. At least it looks like there's usually one style that does more or less the same job as the normal form of a puppet.

>>20029472
Dude, how the fuck did you fill up your boxes? 20 boxes x 30 per box = 600 slots. There are only 503 possible styles of puppet in the game.

Can you take points out of stat reinforcement if you change your mind, or are the adjustments permanent?

>>20038848
there's a item post game that resets PP spent

>>20027765
Kanako was fucking hell for this reason. I mean, she was kinda fun, and it felt like fighting an actual human (if an annoying one at that).
I do think it's kinda bullshit that Hobgoblin doesn't trick the AI for even one second. But it does seem to handle Extra Seija's ability rather well (most of the time)

>>20038997
>I do think it's kinda bullshit that Hobgoblin doesn't trick the AI for even one second
Bullshit, my Mamizou made Sakuya switch out Meiling and then OHKOd half of her lv.85-90 puppets by posing as something with ridiculous S.Attack.

Where do you find Seija? I got a bad roll on the early one.

>>20039110
Route 4. She's rare though. Btw, here's pastebin that has the info about puppets location https://pastebin.com/61LkSFtn

>>20039062
Well, I sent out ANue (disguised as ESanae) and she somehow knew she had to make the switch, despite her PSanae being (seemingly) safe.

>>20039339
PNue, I meant PNue

I recall something about needing to do something in particular to get the LoLK 2hus but I can't remember the details at all, what was it again?

>>20039110
There’s also a pot containing her in route one.

>>20039349
You mean sleep in a specific futon with nightmare pill in your inventory? I think that's the only place where Junko and Hecatia spawn, not sure about the rest.

>>20039349
Get to the secret area/cabin of insanity in the bamboo forest

>>20039382
The rest are in the Lunar Capital

>>20039382
Clownpiece and Doremy also spawn in that place. You'll be swimming in them before getting a Hecatia.

Do final choice actually make some changes or is it simply for roleplay purpose?

>>20039382
>nightmare pill
Where can you find that?

>>20039428
In the cabin for free. If you want more trips, buy them from Reisen.

>>20039428
Buy them from Reisen in the human village in front of Akyuu's house. She wears a hat and sells pills for 1k/unit.

>>20039455
She also sells them in Eientei.

Is there any reason to not sell all money items other than magical fragments (which kindly tell you they're useful for more than just being sold)?

>>20039484
I don't think so. They are money items for a reason. I always thought it was neat from this game to actually give you a reason to sell stuff.

This entire time I thought Mokou's house was the cabin. I guess that explains it.

Does the Iron Will item gives a good enough bulk bonus to make running 3 skills worth it?

>>20039548
probably not unless you're going for a very specific party build. whatever stats it gives requires you to lose one possible option, and usually you can find a skill better than the stats anyway (ie hijiri can use merry dance/aurora for huge gains)

>>20039548
specific stuff, probably
something like a setup sweeper that doesn't need non-stab coverage moves, or something that can changeling/lightning speed out of a bad matchup

>>20039638
>>20039698
Was thinking of bulky mono-attacking E-Maribel with Hallucination/Battle Preparation/First Aid. Though if the bulk addition is negligible, probably will go with Hallucination/Blow from Calamity or Spirit Rush/Battle Preparation/First Aid with Food Rations for a better coverage.

>>20039484
I held onto the game console partially out of spite, partially out of the fact that I couldn’t see myself parting with such a major possession with the intention to just buy a new one later.

>>20039484
Just remember that the repel equivalent (beads) is shoved into the same category as those items when selling things. Had to catch myself a couple times...

Is the part where I'm meant to pick a doll for Flandre based on her dream bugged? Because I tried every single one and she still gets mad

>>20040548
You pick more than one

How should I go about building Yumeko?

>>20039346
I want to drink Nue P.

>>20040762
Store in box1

Where can I find the damage calculator?

>>20041025
doll-alice.com/calc/damage

>>20041080
Didn't seem to work, 404'd for me.

>>20040762
Is there a rip of all the little 2hu images from the trainer card?

>>20041313
Hemoglobin himself released the art assets. Enjoy the 2hus. https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AKT2YixGNDQ_g3o&id=1CE491C7C7BFFDBD%214793&cid=1CE491C7C7BFFDBD

Do puppets stored in boxes 21-50 keep their items when you get them again? That means you can get up to 6 Native grace, Dream frag etc if you finish 5 NG+.

>>20041382
You lose your held items

I got some questions for optimization sake.
Is Dream Shard that good or can i replace by something else?
Does it increase accuracy/evade too (doesn't seem like it from my playthrough)? I suppose it's impossible to get 6 of them when i look at >>20041382 >>20041409 so restarting again and again is just wedding dress autism or rare puppet completion for slacker (Hecatia/Flandre...).
Last one, what's the best spot to get a full team of fresh lvl1 S ranked puppet to 100? I found a spot in hell, farming the first trainer over and over with a lvl 100 puppet one shotting everything (give a lot of money/magic frag too) but maybe there is a better way.

You wouldn't expect it, but this girl totally tears shit up. 125 speed beats almost everything, especially single-player when a low-Cost puppet will have a few levels on your opponents. 95 SpAtk seems low, but then you see she has Strategist and the perfect movepool to abuse it with a bunch of moves that TECHNICALLY have <=60 power but actually hit far harder.

>Geyser, 60-power STAB that always crits, so effectively 135 BP + STAB (and piercing defense boosts)
>Random Shots, 25-power multihit STAB, so effectively 75-187.5BP + STAB (plus breaks sashes)
>Twin Gears, 50-power double-hit Steel, so effectively 150 BP (plus breaks sashes and Steel is a great offensive type in general)
>Purple Lightning, 50-power Electric move that boosts StAtk, if something survives one of the above finish them off with this then +1 sweep

Absolute MVP.

>>20041580
dont lvl every puppet to lvl 100
also my extra ran just 6-0 the first fairy easy

>>20041299
Maybe try adding "www" before it? But it works fine for me even without that.

>>20041365
How generous

Hey friends, could you help me out? I don't know what style I should choose for her.
>inb4 box it
She's cute. ><

>>20041957
I made mine Defense, but Extra looks like a nice special attacker with recovery and a lot of exotic status moves.

>>20041957
>sem titulo
jajaja carramba

>>20042039
I also like Extra, but she would be the third of my four puppets to be a spattacker. ^^"
But I guess the status things are indeed nice. Thanks for the help!
>>20042063
Wrong language. hue

>just noticed most(/all?) of the fairy maids in the SDM are named after months

>>20013239
What's the limit of Ran and Chen battle tower in Human Village? 100?

>>20042125
50
last boss is yukarin

>>20042139
You win something when you beat her?

>>20042144
AI and RNG makes sure you wont win

I love her.

>>20042234
Have you ever bothered to mathematically prove this?
>without sedation or contrarian sedition mind ye

>>20042315
She's objetively and mathematically cute, plus she gives me a lot of EXP each time I train a puppet, I love her.

>>20042315
Koakuma kunny shitpost

>>20041594
I need her.

>>20041594
>You wouldn't expect it
she's absurdly good even on paper

>>20041594
Would be so sad that the a lot of P-Ayas, S-Marisas and S-Elis literally destroy her, even so she's pretty good.

Is there a way to make PShou work with her Realm skill? I want to try because it synergizes so well with her skillset, but her coverage is kind of bad and any puppet will look good if you assume they get a free setup turn.

Anyway to realease puppets? I don’t want these garbage IV nitoris sitting in my boxes forever

>>20013239
Can someone upload the translation patch for SoD (which I assume is the one linked here http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=4364.0 ) to a non-shit site that doesn't tell you to fuck off when you try to use it? I have everything else done, I just need the English patch itself.

>>20042863
Go with Hina in the Youkai Mountain.

>Control Setup
>Other button（F11）| Toggle Window/Full-screen
This is a filthy lie

Exactly how much does a stat increase by when it's "sharply raised"?

>>20043218
if it's like pokemon, 2 stages is a 100% increase for most stats, and 67% for acc/eva

>>20043218
It should be the same as the Pokemon games.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Statistic#Stage_multipliers

>wild puppet has false courage
YAMERO

What's the drawback of traps? I started to use Poison trap and using 2 turns to put heavy poison on each puppet seems insane.

>>20043255
>>20043263
Thanks!

>>20043298
The other side can use whatever is the Rapid Spin equivalent to blow all your traps away, and in the case of the poison trap in particular, if they send a Miasma type puppet out the trap will disappear.

>>20043298
Your puppet is not actively damaging the enemy, and so it runs the risk of being hit so hard that it faints. All entry hazards except what's called Mine Trap in this game are great in Pokemon, that's why one of the most common roles for lead Pokemon is something that sets them up.

>>20043318
Ahhh that's why sometimes it disappeared and i had no clues why. Fair enough, it would be overpowered if it didn't and you got a full stalling team.

>step on grass
>DUNNNN DA DA DUNNN DA DA DUNNN
>ohko wild puppet
>take 2 steps
>DUNNNN DA DA DUNNN DA DA DUNNN

>>20043534
What do you think the money the game is throwing at you is for? There is no reason to ever run out of repels.

>>20043534
It’s not bad at all in this game. Often you don’t even have to step on tall grass during a route, there ins’t any surf encounters, and I believe the encounter rate in caves has been toned down.

>>20042139
Nope, the true final boss is actually Gengetsu and Mugetsu

>>20043916
Based and butterlypilled.