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>>19678011
>Latest Custom 1.80.4
Latest Custom is 1.81.2.

I'm gonna start a new E+ game after not having played since around version 1.4.x. Last time I felt like I was just there to order my pets around and they did most of the work, so this time I want to play without pets, just relying on my own power. Any tips for things to try or avoid to make this work? i.e. if certain builds just don't work well solo. I'm open to playing melee, ranged, magic or any combination of them.

>>19678324
You can play anything solo, Snail Tourist is a great fit especially after they get that feat that increases AP earned in act 2.

>>19678324
Any build is fine. Take the feat that makes you faster when alone.

Any new CNPC packs that aren't in the pastebin yet? Looking for new monsters to spice up my game.

Is it normal that my equipement keeps getting cursed whenever I go to bed in Omake Overhaul?
Those random TPs are driving me insane.

>>19679977
The exorcist feat is mandatory in every version.

How do you keep your potential at a decent level? Unless a shopkeeper has a potion of potential my stats are constantly stuck at hopeless or bad. I swear non herb food doesn’t do shit

>>19683386

>>19678324
This is how I always play it, basically doesn't matter what you do, game is super easy regardless. Just take the +20% speed when solo feat.
You could also give using the undead a try as they feel more connected to your growth, scaling directly off your stats. They're still pretty op though, particularly the UndeadQueen and her absurd screen wide spam

>>19679977
Happens about as often as custom for me. You just unlucky. I never take excorcist.

>>19679383
Was this ever proven to be a thing? Last time it was brought up it turned out the 'source' was a random guy saying its a thing on Reddit. And there appears to be no such thing in the custom code, anywhere, at all. They just get faster AP via having better ini because they suck, something any race can get via oblivion palace anyways.

>>19684798
I played a snail tourist straight through act3. I can count the benefits and secret feats for doing so on the hands of a quadruple amputee. The extra ap they get isn't even enough to cover the cost of buying back 4 sets of speed upgrades. Salt still sets me down to 1hp. It's a challenge run, pure and simple.

>>19684936
Are you saying they do have the feat and it sucks, or they don't? 'Cause its not in the source at all unless its really weirdly named or really hard to find. Which'd mean they don't get any more AP than any other race that uses oblivion palace even a single time.

>>19684949
They don't. There are 0 feats or secret abilities.

>>19684949
S-shut up, my brother's friend's dad works for Noa and he can prove it's true.

*putit*

I'm >>19678324

Looking into a moneymaking method for this run, last time I was a gardener/cook so I'd like to try something different if possible. Is performance still viable? I've been combing the puppy cave looking for instruments but I can't even find a harmonica so far. Best place to train at low levels? Mansion of little sister?

>>19689164
Gardening/ranching/cooking got buffed and everything else got nerfed. :/ As for training, summoned mobs now give no xp. Train in a cave, or use feather hat and such to reach lvl 30 for ensemble (needs pet).

Been awhile since I've last played Elona. I think I'll start a new character today.

Any suggestions for some fun builds?

>>19692221
>>19679383
Or you can make a cute fairy boy(female) wizard.

>>19689164
Play Elona+G for the unnerfed dungeon income. Before that nerf I played a character with 0 pets; none in battle, performing, or even in shop. I did not farm. I didn't do town quests most of the time. I just went into dungeons, constantly. And I still made more than enough cash to keep all potentials at superb and buy anything I wanted.
You won't be balling out of control as much a s a pet shop does, because those are one of if not the most broken aspect of the game, but you'll be well enough enough to progress at a reasonable pace.

>>19692221
You could also play G for the unnerfed chain hits and do a mutant with many limbs, although that makes an easy game even easier, since you easily end up superb ++ to everything and tank the world despite having practically no life score.
Or OOand try one of its gimmicky things like all in on prostituion.
Anything that isn't such an extreme tends to just meld into being the same character, especially in +, where you effortlessly scale quickly in all stats simutaniously because of blessed pots

>>19683386
Don't worry about your potential until you can hoard potential pots. If you're playing a solo/low party build, you shouldn't have all that many problems getting to the point where you can stockpile potential pots.

If this is Omake you're basically screwed.

>>19693043
Been a while since I stopped in these threads, what is Elona+G?

>>19695179
A custom version of custom. Rather than just adding QoL options and restoring cutscenes/translating more dialogue, it takes a more direct approach and undoes a couple of Ano's most controversial mechanics and nerfs. I believe anon also added more machine translated dialogue that the original custom didn't translate. Links in previous thread.

>>19695179
Elona+ Custom-G
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>>19695916
>>19695930
I assumed it would just be a cheat mod, but this actually looks pretty nice. I might use it just for the machine translations.

Speaking of which, forever ago an anon linked a spread sheet in one of these threads with the Japanese card dialogue. I have been off again on again doing google translations of those with touch ups to make them readable. Not sure if that is usable in any sense but it might be a neat read for people.

I'm making an Excel spreadsheet to help my 7 pet party with the gearing. I'm setting a menu that tracks the DV, PV and resistances, and also gives a brief description of what is in a particular slot.

I'm hoping that this will help me choose which gears are actual upgrades and remember which pet is holding what.

>>19696582
>2Berto

I kinda like that.
You'd better make him your best pet.

I've never been far into the 2nd or 3rd continents, are there towns there with more Party Time quests than Palmia, or is Palmia always the king of performance questing? Trying to figure out if I should hurry and get to the 2nd/3rd continents or just take it easy in North Tyris for a while

>>19697093
Arcbelic has more. A lot more. You can just run between the two towns.

Playing as a Quickling is pretty fun. The speed boost helps a lot on act 1.

Party and Harvest time quests have never been easier.

Hiring my first house servants to invest in - as a non-magic user, what should I be prioritizing? I'd like better gear, is it better to just get a black market vendor and pump it all in them, or get proper weapon/armor vendors and raise them instead?

>>19698007
You can't go wrong with magic shops because potions of potential are useful for everybody.

how much does equipment made out of ether speed up ether disease

>>19678011
Literally my first time playing the game. I have had the 1.69 version on my desktop for way too long, and after 5 failed, but fun characters, I'm slowly getting the hang of the game. However, how do I not suck, and what's the suggested route to take for the game if I wanna actually get past level 5 with one character without them either mutating into something horrid because there's no shelter nearby, and so on?

>>19703535
Talk to a blacksmith and upgrade your gear, a few +1 upgrades will make a whole world of difference.
Always have a few healing potions and teleport/escape scrolls with you when exploring dungeons. Use teleport to avoid nasty surprises (like rooms full of monsters), and escape to run away from the dungeon if you want to.
If you are a melee character, invest some platinum coins on the Stealth skill and try to get it to 30 as soon as possible. You will learn Shadow Step on your next level up, a special action that lets you teleport to enemies (very useful against rock throwers and elea mages, the worst enemies of all new adventurers, plus your stealth skill will keep you from being detected before you get the first strike). The Thief class' passive trait will guarantee a critical strike on your first attack if your target still haven't detected you.
Etherwind tempests will always happens at the start of any month that is a multiple of 3 (3, 6, 9, 12). Stay near cities during the beginning of these months (talk to the innkeeper to enter the shelter). Eventually you will get a good stock of return scrolls (will send you back to your house, then go to the nearest village for shelter) that you can use to avoid the etherwind.

>>19703740
Thanks man! I am still addicted to potions so we'll see how that goes, but most of the info you gave me is incredibly helpful! I'm gonna go ahead and invest in stealth, and see how things go. Right now, I haven't been able to really explore the map without dying of starvation because of the thieves stole my food, but hopefully I can get to the real meat of the game soon enough.

>>19703797
>I haven't been able to really explore the map without dying of starvation

If you need food while travelling, enter the tile you're on top of and look for food on the ground. Edible wild plants, healthy leafs, api nuts, chestnuts, and flowers (E+ only) are all edible raw, and everything but the wild plants won't rot. Corpses and random fruit trees ([b]ash them to knock down fruit) are also an option, but they're unreliable. Keep an eye out for a portable cooking tool so you can cook while travelling.

first time seeing an error and it wont disappear
happens every time i enter a city

>>19696547
That looks pretty nice. I don't recommend quickling as long-term pets in Plus though (you're the anon who was asking for pet recommendations in the last thread right?). Quicklings are great in act 1 but iffy in act 2 and ass tier in act 3. By act 3 their speed will only beat other pets by a small amount and they'll have only 3% as much health. If you manage to teach them the barrier feat it's not too as, they'll instead have about half as much effective health as other pets, but the benefits aren't worth it.

Bells are good in act 1 for the same reasons quicklings are and are easier to catch, and unlike quicklings, their usefulness increases over time. Once you give them the barrier feat they become nearly invincible, god tier tanks and with AP they can reach a speed of 800, not far behind a quickling's 900.

Also, both bells and quicklings benefit immensely from a few pieces of rubynus equipment. Even with barrier, both are weak against bleeding status and rubynus will help a lot with both that and their overall fragility.

>>19703797
Bread-type foods never go bad and provide useful stat boosts. Rogue bosses won't steal them from you either. You can buy bread from baker NPCs in Vernis and Palmia. I recommend always carrying a healthy amount until you're ready to graduate to an all-herb diet (though I still prefer herbed bread since I can share it with my pets).

The most reliable way to get potions of cure corruption (which remove ether disease corruptions) is to play blackjack, which is available by interacting with card tables or slot machines in Palmia, Derphy, and Port Kapul. You'll get 10 tokens the first time you visit and you can get more by gathering at material spots. You want to be one token at a time and you need a win streak of about 4 or 5 to get a PoCC. You luck affects your chance to draw better cards, so it's a good idea to wait until you have a lucky day dream for +777 to your luck. Eating blessed food for a chance at +100 luck is an alright alternative if you really have to. Early in the main quest the king of Palmia will give you a free PoCC so if you get screwed right off the bat you can use that. A normal potion of cure corruption will remove your two most recent corruptions, and if you bless it it will remove three instead.

Also make sure not to confuse ether disease with mutations as potions of cure corruption are very valuable in the early game and you really don't want to waste them. Potions of cure mutation are semi-common, but they can remove both positive and negative mutations. Mutations aren't terribly important in general though, at least in Plus.

>>19704324
That sucks. What version of Elona are you playing?

>>19678011
I'm pretty new to elona and love it so far, but are there any mods you guys could recommend me for a more fulfilling experience? You know, things that make it overall more enjoyable to play

>>19711981
You're pretty much stuck with E+ and its variants or OO.
Elona doesn't support the mix and match system of more modern games. If you can't into runes or code, those are pretty much your only choices.
If you're more into powerplaying, get E+C. If you're into roleplaying, get OO. Both add new content, but they go in completely different directions.

>>19711981
OO feels fundamentally similar to vanilla. Most of its changes are focused on improving dungeons, NPC adventurers, random encounters, and sandbox elements, and its changes are generally considered unambiguous improvements over the base game.

E+ changes the game more radically. The numbers of monsters and quests have been greatly increased, character growth is much faster, and the game is overall more combat-focused than sandbox-focused compared to the base game. Some of E+'s recent changes have been very unpopular around here, but western fans have been modding those changes back out. I think that E+'s greater focus on combat doesn't play to Elona's strengths, but lots of people still prefer it.

Those are your only real english-language options.

>>19712195
Gotcha. Thanks anon

>>19712195
>>19712453
Sounds like I'm getting OO. Thanks guys

How many pets do people usually use at once?
I only use one because making sure they're all on an equal power level takes too much effort.

>>19716149
Power level balancing is fairly easy to maintain in E+ given that picnic baskets are effectively optimal once you go past a certain carrying value, and if you need to even things out you can just put pets on standby. Unless you're running an extremely lopsided team where you have Terminations along with snails or something.

>>19695930
Holy shit I might actually update now.

>>19716149
I use three or four, and usually have some of them tagged to each other.
Four is already challenging enough to manage, but I like to have a varied party.

>>19719611
What are you having trouble managing? Depending on what version you're playing, generally once you go past a threshold number it's easier to just use the secondary options and use full team effects instead.

>>19720803
Most of the pets I like are squishy, so it’s usually keeping them from running face first into something nasty, as well as trying to keep all their combat abilities up when one or another tends to pull ahead and hog kills.

>>19716149
I found 9 to be my personal limit. 5 is probably the best number to stop at unless you're up for a babysitting simulator.

The hell is a “carnel”?

>>19727965
Colonel. The wiki page has his name and title in japanese, though I'm not sure where it was pulled from since in-game it still shows the english text regardless of localization.
Hardly an expert on the subject, but carnel should be something like karuneru in kana, with colonel being koroneru.
Perhaps Noa or whoever was in charge of that part didn't know how to spell colonel and ended up approximating after hearing the word somewhere.

>>19728274
>I'm not sure where it was pulled from since in-game it still shows the english text regardless of localization.
Didn’t Noa or their friend draw some charts of all the characters?

>>19728870
Dunno, but searching for 辺境の勇士『ギルバート大佐』 brings up this screenshot. Perhaps it was changed later on? It makes even less sense that way since it'd be a simple matter of machine translating it, but whatever.

Every time I come to check up on this general it seems to have become slower and more dead.

>>19730332
It's all Ano's fault. He introducing the thirst and pissing mechanic, and now the general is dead.
Thank god a nice anon reverted that godawful "addition".

>>19730552
>thirst and pissing mechanic
What the literal fuck?

>>19730552
>pissing mechanic
Time to update my Elona + game.

>>19731676
>What the literal fuck?
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.70_-_1.79#1.78
>Added thirst mechanic, the quaffing version of hunger. Hydration increases when drinking fluids and decreases when vomiting.
>A puddle will be generated at that character's feet and hydration will be decreased when a character is Wetting or Distended and gets hit by Body Blow, or is Distended and is inflicted with Fear. This may also happen at random when increasing hydration beyond Wetting.
>[New special actions]
>Marking
>Learned when using any deed. After all, you've got to mark your territory.
>When targeting the tile beneath your character, it generates a urine at your feet.
>When targeting an adjacent tile with an NPC on it, it will splash onto that NPC, applying [Fury] and Wet status for a fixed 3 turns, stacking with the existing number of turns of Fury and Wet the NPC is already afflicted with.
I think the rumor was that some friend of Ano's wanted it and got him to add it to the game. The Custom-G mod linked earlier in the thread completely removes it, among other changes.

a random murder event in vernis killed that bum that mopes around the grave yard and I got "a sword that ends all"
what do?

>>19732779
It has a chance to cause high amounts of FUN with every hit.
Try it and see what happens.

>>19730332
It's seasonal, and realistically elona development is extremely slow and the game is extremely niche. You get bursts of activity when some guy learns about the game and shows up to ask questions but realistically almost everything has been learned and explored about the game at this point.

>>19733227
Pretty much this. The wiki is unusually well fileld out for such a large and niche game, which combined with easily accessible source code means info is readily available. Furthermore, build answers tend to always be the same since ano's E+ has cut away most viable alternatives to MA/Meteor and Omake tends to be too difficult for new players to get into

when i tried leaving home, it came to this. help
:(

>>19733590
>Omake tends to be too difficult
I like the sound of that

>>19730332
I blame the latest updates being a series of jokes.

>>19733590
>>19734951
>The wiki is unusually well fileld out for such a large and niche game
The wiki is that way because a lot of us here went over to the wiki and dumped whatever we could after running the tests and a large part of it had also been translated from the Japanese community. This was back when there were more of us that communicated with the "then active" Japanese crowd.

But with the development cycle being what it is, it was pretty much expected that the enthusiasm to dig in and test would die down, and there isn't really a need for further testing nowadays when many of the changes are minor tweaks or just nerfs.

The translation part is pretty much the reason why Omake will feel difficult for new players, because the large bulk of information on it is still in Japanese (And to be fair the testing they did was fairly comprehensive, like the improved alchemy assessments, and the original nefia change data). A good deal of the knowledge base that people have from this community on omake is effectively anecdotal, and with omake being technically a good dozen+ versions behind E+, most people don't see a reason to bother investing into it too heavily, so even the anecdotal knowledge is limited.

>>19735409
>The translation part is pretty much the reason why Omake will feel difficult for new players

That's probably part of it, but Omake (and vanilla and Omake Overhaul) are also simply harsher games than E+ is.

>>19707560
1.79

>>19736340
>>19707560
>>19704324
lmao
i fixed it
having fish on my character while entering a town would crash it

I'm suddenly starting to get an error+crash when trying to select a character. What do? The thing is that I didn't do anything like fiddle with files. It just popped up out of nowhere.

>>19735577
I feel like from the perspective of a completely new player, vanilla ends up being easier because there's less to acquaint yourself with, and the whole notion of Elona not being a permadeath roguelike (Jure forbid they start inferno) makes the early experimentation pretty straightforward.

A lot of the ease in E+ comes because people know the preferred paths in addition to reduced costs all around, but for someone who doesn't know the paths, "stumbling around" they'll probably end up with the Puppy Cycle regardless (just because it's so close by). And early Puppy Cycle in Vanilla is actually surprisingly lucrative, slightly more so in Omake. The difficulty tie in to Fame and not levels is actually something that I would argue makes Omake more lenient, since fame is easy to control.

Omake, with its Nefia variants, can actually feel a bit easier at times depending on your build, hence why I feel that a large part of its difficulty stems from a matter of documented knowledge - because just as there are more viable options (to some extent) in Omake, there are also more pitfalls.

>>19739164
Based on your description I can't tell if you're crashing on character load or on the character list screen. Test by making a scrap character and see if it's that.

Otherwise, if you aren't running in compatability, I'd try that. Barring that, redownload the files and try again clean.

>>19739164
>>19740808
Yeah if you're on Windows 10, try running the game in Windows 7 compatibility mode. Also make sure you're running the right executable.

goddamn, how do I get rid of Sick status in E+? According to the wiki drinking blessed potions/green tea can cure it, but I bought lots of blessed potions and even blessed green tea and none of them cured it.

I want to move my Elona+ installation to a different PC. Are there any anti save scumming features that would cause problems for me?

>>19742824

As long as you copy the whole folder, there shouldn't be any issues.

>>19742803
I finally cured it, just needed to keep drinking more and more blessed potions/green tea.

I'm never drinking a potion without double-checking that it's not cursed again.

>>19742824
Nope, just copy your character's save folder over. Elona+ can't tell as long as you don't do something silly like copying it while the game is running.

>>19740797
All good points, though I'd still say Plus is easier just because the beginning is the roughest part of all versions of Elona, and you outgrow kobolds and wizards of elea a lot faster in Plus.

>>19742824
Make sure to remember set compatibility mode to windows 7 on the second PC. If you're on one of the difficulty settings that penalize savescumming, E+ will ding you for the game crashing.

>Want to get back into Elona
>Try to make a sprite for my waifu Kokoro to play as because I can't find any online
>Never done sprite work before
>Get demotivated because even after trying for a few hours I can't make a good sprite and I don't feel like I can start playing until I have one

>>19749002
Have you already tried using Loose Leaf?

>>19749002
That doesn't look bad to me for a first time effort. The hair spirals are pretty wonky and you might be better off simplifying Kokoro's design a bit to get something workable.
One good way to lighten your workload is to try and minimize the number of colors you use. You've got quite a lot of shades of yellow in her hair when you could get by just fine with three.

>>19742893
>>19743602
>>19743636
Thank you anons, may Lulwy's winds speed your journeys.

>>19749002
I tried to improve your sprite. It still has problems but here's what I've got.

>>19749002
You could try searching for her name in Japanese, or search for "rpgmaker" instead of "elona".

>>19749959
I haven't tried it yet, but it seems a bit simple for what I want doesn't it?
>>19750080
Yeah I might just have to simplify it. I couldn't find any good references for drill hair sprites online, especially not on sprites as small as these. The reference I used was the Nendroid. Thanks for the advice.
>>19750325
Thanks anon, I might try something kind of similar to this
>>19750693
Maybe my googlefu is just weak, but I haven't had luck trying to find sprites.

So what's up with Omake Overhaul then? Is the major change the game scaling with fame instead of levels? I'm not really sure if I want to go back to the hell that was potential upkeep in Vanilla Elona.

I want to play as an American handegg convention shooter. What skills should I get, and what's my end game?

>Travelling
>Tactics
>No pets
???

Hey lads, so I've been playing 1.6 for the longest time and i haven't been checking in on the thread or the wiki for updates. any way i can move my save to a newer version of elona? or is is fucked?

>>19755064
As far as I'm aware, compatibility with old save files has never been broken.

>>19755185
Thanks m8, i just wanted to know if i could or not

>>19753873
>I'm not really sure if I want to go back to the hell that was potential upkeep in Vanilla Elona.
Stat growth isn't all that important in OO because the effective ceiling is lower. If the point of the game for you is stats and minmaxing, stick to E+.

>>19755466
Nah, I just remember vanilla being really punishing about the early game, you have to prep right or you're basically screwed is how I felt on all the characters I played. Maybe I was just bad though. It's been years since I played vanilla Elona.

It sounds like that's also mitigated a bit in OO since it's easier to keep fame down instead of not leveling up.

>>19753873
Copy pasted from an earlier thread:

Omake Overhaul feels much more like vanilla Elona than Plus, but the changes are fairly unambiguous improvements compared with the two steps forward, one step back changes you see in Plus. Plus mostly emphasizes combat and fast character growth, while OO emphasizes sandbox elements and NPC interactions.

Your character's growth is far slower in Vanilla/OO, it's much harder to keep your potentials up (though potential also drops by less as well). There's no AP either, so your speed won't see the explosive growth you get in Plus. It's also much harder to equip your character with quality equipment since there are fewer precious items and it doesn't have Plus's increased rare drop rates or Plus's overpowered living weapons. Skills take much longer to learn, with your first skill costing 15 platinum and the cost increases by 3 each time. The cost of training potential is higher as well. Lastly, gold is much harder to come by in Vanilla/OO than in Plus.

You don't need to be as powerful in the first place since there's only one act and enemies go up to around level 50 instead of 200, but the slower pace can feel a bit tedous, especially in the beginning. I like that Vanilla/OO encourage you to specialize your character rather than becoming good at everything, though I don't think the huge platinum costs are a good way to go about it.

Omake Overhaul makes big improvements to NPC adventurers and random nefia dungeons. Adventurers can now be encountered inside of dungeons, which can be fun and helpful and enables all kinds of shenanigans where you try to get high level adventurers killed for their loot. NPCs tend to carry much higher quality equipment, but because you don't become stronger than every guard and adventurer in the game after 10 hours, you can't always just take it from them. They form parties and travel together and are overall a much bigger part of the game. There's also a rival adventurer character who will eventually show up, and every time you defeat her, her strength increases and her opinion of you improves.

The random nefia dungeons are much better too. Most of them have fun gimmicks now. There are thief dungeons full of traps and treasure chests, where all hostile NPCs are some sort of thief. There are "lonely" dungeons where pets can't enter, no-magic and magic-only dungeons, dark dungeons, and all kinds of stuff. NPCs are now all divided into different factions and will fight against each other. There are also more special encounters on the world map, and existing encounters like the rogue bandits tend to be more dangerous and rewarding.

Towns don't see as many improvements as dungeons, but there are still some new events like the three different guilds will sometimes invade each other, or you'll run into a friendly catsister in town who wants to play tag or hide and seek. Supposedly you can build your own town and recruit NPCs to live there, but I have not tried that yet.

Personally I think OO is overall better than plus. Your growth is slower, but I think it feels more meaningful and rewarding when becoming super powerful isn't a foregone conclusion. You need to actually respect guards and other adventurers, which is for the best. Gold is much more meaningful. I have more fun with the dungeons because of their various gimmicks and the presence of adventurers. Plus might be better if all you care about is the combat, but Elona's combat has never been any good.

My favorite encounter so far was when I entered a nefia dungeon called a zealot's dungeon. All of the NPCs were town NPCs, and they were all named (god) fanatic. Fanatics of opposing gods would kill each other, so like Jure fanatics would fight Lulwy fanatics to the death. My pets worshiped different gods than I did, but they didn't turn on me, though they would kill NPCs who worshiped different gods. The whole dungeon was a giant bloodbath of shopkeepers and arena masters slaughtering each other. I came across a younger sister NPC who was friendly but my little girl pet ran up and oneshotted her, and it turns out she was a "Nee fanatic." RIP imouto-chan. Anyway, the boss was a defender and I finished him off with the devour special action and when I did I got some red text saying "It's... eating the angel?!" and my little girl pet (who worshiped Jure) vomited at the sight of it.

You do lose some good things switching from Plus to OO. You don't get Plus's nice improvements to the game's visuals and there is only one act. But I don't think that's as important as OO's improvements to Elona's NPCs, dungeons, and sandbox elements.

>>19756426
it doesn't have itzpalt's sculpture, so who cares

Any news on Elin?

>>19757701
dead in the water I think due to illustrator dying irl

>>19758061
So that's it? he's just gonna stop?

>>19757701
The original Elin is either on indefinite hold or cancelled. Last I heard the new Farthest Sea version released an update towards the start of the year. It's still in a very early state and Noa is considering funding it with donations and releasing it as freeware.

Sell Elona to me.
I downloaded it because you're all cool guys but I never started playing it.

>>19762088
Any particular reason you decided to play vanilla Elona instead of Plus or Omake Overhaul?

>>19762550
Honestly, all I know about Elona is that there are a lot of options to make your character and that it's obviously an RPG.
I didn't know there were upgraded versions.

>>19731838
I can't seem to get G to run. I open it, and it instantly closes. What am I doing wrong?

>>19762559
Development of the original Elona ended many years ago. Elona+ and Elona Omake Overhaul are the variants (to use the Angband term) with English translations. Elona+ is still being actively developed, while Elona OO isn't. Elona+ has a mod called Elona Custom that translates more text, restores missing cutscenes, and adds a few optional gameplay tweaks.

>>19762588
Did you install it on top of Custom?

>>19762619
No, was I supposed to? Custom does the exact same thing. Am I supposed to install *that* on top of Plus?

>>19762622
That settles it. I'm renaming "e+c-g readme.txt" to "installation guide (also changelog and credits).txt" so that people will know it's actually important to check it.

>>19762658
Shit, this is what I get for skimming things. In my defense, I'm used to Elona+ and Custom working out of the box. Every download I've gotten of the two has just worked out of box.

>>19762622
If your Elona folder doesn't look like this you're doing it wrong.

>>19762669
Hahahhaha, first time posting on this board and I already love the posters.

>>19762666
Really? I always get everything from BloodyShade's repository, and Custom there is only a few megabytes 7zipped; just the files that need to be added or that overwrite the old ones. Custom-G works the same way, just the files to add over Custom's files added over Plus' files.

>>19762697
Oh, I get them pre-compiled from pastebins and shit. My mistake.

>>19762699
Didn't even know that was a thing. I'll give a proper explanation in the installation guide then, since "Install Elona+ Custom over Elona+ like usual." won't make sense to everyone.

>>19762711
I think it might be fine for people on /jp/ who are used to this, but if you want to open the game and guide up to more players, I think that's a good idea. The whole problem here is just that I've been getting stuff from the wrong places and haven't been reading.

Elona+ 1.82 is out. I had no idea "Dyspnea" was a word. I think I'd have gone with "Winded" instead, or maybe "Coughing"?

>>19763026
I mean, Choking would have been fine given that it comes from Food Throwing

>>19763490
Choking already exists, though.

>The original Elin is either on indefinite hold or cancelled
Well I sure hope it's not cancelled.

>>19763615
That's what I meant, this status is supposed to be slightly weaker but really, Dyspnea doesn't give that sense at all.

>>19763026
>>19763490

Yeah, dyspnea is too formal for my liking. I think "choking" and "choked" would be clear enough. If you wanted the difference to be more obvious, "gagging" would work too.

Almost Heaven...

These last few updates for Elona really haven't added anything good.
What if instead of adding thirst and Dyspnea he revamps that town system that's been in the game for like 30 or more versions, but no.
The future only has shitty fetishes added and nothing else.

>>19773702
I want the tcg to work. It seems like such a fun sidde thing

>>19773702
>>19773827
I haven't updated my game in a while because of these shitty updates, but you can bet the moment that card game gets added I'm updating just for that.

Elona+ Custom 1.82.1 is out:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014
https://mega.nz/#!F0xWyagL!7pKZLJSRU-6vY4_bATvvyxZfT9aD9SYiejb9fei_fFg

Additionally, Elona+ Custom-G 1.82.1.1 is out:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IInXfL8W4qO1ftnm4pktoMejvp9xryMZ/view?usp=sharing
https://mega.nz/#!mQhlWAoC!pO6IQ5_F-zTdsutjcfsAXdcP4Jl27LyH27L9S02430E

Only significant new changes for E+C-G are Shadow Step's nerfs being removed (accuracy is no longer halved and SP cost is back at 5) and some now-redundant files being removed (the younger sister image is back and BloodyShade fixed "fire@dragon child" himself). I also reverted the wider status condition display for now since it looked weird; I'm assuming it'll be corrected later since the changelog made it sound like the width should only be changed for Japanese text.
Also, if Ano still watches these threads: instead of blocking items with cooldowns in the Deep-Sea Castle by constantly setting "item.cooldown = currentTime() + item.cooldown", try setting "item.cooldown = currentTime() + item.maxcooldown" instead.

So how the heck do you beat <The Chaos Child>? I've been kiting him around this room for like 10 minutes and his HP hasn't budged, and the wiki says he's unkillable. Is there some sort of trick or does the story basically end here?

>>19775740
Ok never mind, you were clearly just supposed to kite him for 10 minutes and 30 seconds, my bad.

>>19775746
Idk how slow you play but you just have to hold out for a set number of turns as more allies spawn in

>>19775783
Well the game just kicked me out of the room and I have no clue what the heck is happening. Is that it? Did I beat the story? It certainly seemed kind of anticlimatic. At least Leold gave me another crocodile thing.

>>19775792
As far as Act III goes yeah. Enthumesis is the end-boss but Chaos child is more of a teaser for Act 4 and beyond I think, since the plot is that it's too powerful to kill and must simply be shoved back into prison.

>>19775805
Ah I see, thanks for clarifying it for me. I was worried I was doing something horribly wrong and was just extremely confused.

>>19775813
Nah your fine. It isnt really too well explained in game and I remember trying to kill it and getting one-shot several times, wondering why I couldnt kill it after fighting enthumesis

How do people keep their stat potentials high in omake? I just started on it and don't really know what I should be trying to do besides the obvious platinum farming and gold hoarding and fame raising.

>>19776998
We don't.

>>19776998
If you really want to power level, you can use sandbagged bubbles. Get Ehekatl's dagger or anything with sp steal, and Rankis or anything with nether damage. This will keep your hp and sp up you so you can just spam tactics forever. Now wall yourself in with a sandbagged bubble and hold down the tactics hotkey.

Sorry, swarm not tactics.

>>19780980
that sounds slightly more fun than watching paint dry. I might do that if I ever really felt too weak, its just that I feel like I'm playing the same way I played e+ and thats probably wrong. I wish there was some more english stuff for omake because its quite fun after playing e+ for so long.

>>19781191
I havent played much of OO, but from what I understand you have to downscale your ambitions. Instead of getting into a cycle of keeping every potential at Superb with every skill learned, you have to pick gods that buff specific skills/atrribs you want, bless food, and focus on a little at a time. Theres no herb ins or super pot potions so you have to focus more on a couple of things to make progress.

Hey, I haven't played in a long time. Been reading the patch notes and I'm getting the sense that some of the changes are kind of against the spirit of the game. Maybe I'm being silly but some changes are making me wary.
How have the changes been in practice? I don't really have time to start a new character right now and find out unfortunately. Also I missed you.

>>19781494
Nothing unusual there. Most people stuck with 1.75 (give or take a couple versions) until Custom-G came out.

>>19781624
I remember the last thing I did before I stopped playing was write the, now probably outdated, Necromancer guide. That's labeled as 2016 in the pastebin so it's been a bit for me. So custom-G fixes those concerns? I'm thinking of playing again. I remember custom was a version meant to re-add the story elements to the english version. Is custom-G the same thing or is it different?

>>19781641
Custom-G is a mod that goes on top of Custom. It completely removes hydration, reverts various nerfs, replaces all placeholder text with machine translations, lets you buy the Super Lure for 10K music tickets, dramatically lowers the SP cost of Cooking and Fishing (since they "aren't used for time-sensitive things"), and a few other things.

>>19781669
>Hydration

I have been away a long time. So I guess I'll be grabbing that then, thanks. Anything else I should know? Last I played I just grabbed Elona+ and started. Might grab one of the texture packs this time around.

>>19781689
Yeah, if you make it to Act 3 or spend a wish, there's some new "god furniture" items that provide quality of life boosts. Also, Jure's body pillow has a special effect now, although you're probably better off sticking with an old-fashioned happy bed.
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Category:God_Furniture

>>19781708
Oh wow some of those are pretty good. Thanks.
If you're able can you do me a favor? Check if duplicane still gives Alchemy experience. I can see that being changed since I last played and it will be the deciding factor if I go Necromancer or pet build this time. I'd do it myself but I don't have my old saves anymore.

Until Custom G adds corpse effects to eggs back I'm not playing it.

>>19781765
if ( cc == CHARA_PLAYER & gdata(STARTING_GDATA_FLAG + 310) == 100 & cdata(CDATA_SP, CHARA_PLAYER) > 0 ) {
[...]
skillexp SKILL_NORMAL_ALCHEMY, cc, 40
[...]
dmgsp 0, 3
}

That's a yes.

>>19781809
You did that in a much fancier way than I expected. Well thanks a bunch. Guess I'm going spooky.

>>19781817
The guy maintaining Custom has been working really hard lately to make the source code readable. The days of everything being arbitrary meaningless numbers are thankfully over.

>>19781825
Ya but I mean I would have just used duplicane and see if my alchemy experience went up.
That's good to hear though. I'm always surprised how devoted those guys are to such an obscure game. How lively is this general these days anyway?

>>19781841
It depends. There's a lot of silence, but then spikes of activity when something new happens, like OO being released. Most people seem to have migrated to discord.

>>19782429
To put it into perspective, this thread has 153 posts, and is 15 days old. 10 posts a day. When OO was released we were hitting 200-400 a day for a bit.

>>19782429
>migrated to discord
As if the internet wasn't already centralized enough. I'm sick of communities suddenly dying and leaving behind a suicide note telling people to use some huge site instead.

>>19782490
It's not dead, it's inactive. It sparks back up when something happens, but nobody brings that content here as much. Even when OO was being discussed only a handful of people actually posted their characters, and all the info was bing added to the wiki or the discord. 49 posters have posted here, compared to the 42 I saw on some of those earlier threads. They just aren't saying much.

I tried playing this game but it is too complicated for me

>>19782490
I don't even know how an elona discord can exist. You can buy a female slave and whip her until she becomes subservient enough to agree to become a prostitute. Doesn't anything like that on discord get deleted because racist sexist fascist nazi problematic toxic masculinity?

>>19782840
yep, it immediately gets deleted. the discord actually gets remade every day. do the smart thing and keep posting here instead

>>19782898
Wow. I knew discord was largely populated by idiots, but I didn't know they were that mentally defective. It figures, I guess. Like a dog eating its own vomit, or however that old saying goes.

>>19782979
Anon, was just joking, Anon.
Discord is full of degeneracy, it ultimately depends on each individual server, actually.

>>19783601
You sure? Because I could definitely see those worthless brain-dead faggots doing something as retarded as continuously recreating a board that gets deleted on a daily basis. I'd call them facebook-tier, but honestly they're worse. At least facebook is a self-contained pile of cancer. Discord is a virulent plague, and they're willingly spreading it.

>>19783601
It's just a troll talking to himself, trying to get everyone to leave the general. He's showed up from time to time to chase people off.

>>19784378
yeah but at least i'm not a kike.
https://ordoevangelistarum.com/psa-discord-is-jewish-use-riot/

>>19784922
You are though. Why are driving people away? You want people to use non-anonymous centralized media.

Playing Custom for the first time. Finally seeing the story after thousands of hours on other characters is nice but for some things I think I preferred having zero context. Like Whom Dwells in Vanity I liked just being some weird super-sword hobo that clearly had a back story but I wasn't about to find out. Added some mystery to the world. Oh well, about time I finally get the story either way.

Do all these elona variants still have moongates?

>>19791378
Moongates still show up in towns, but vanilla Elona is the only one I know of offhand that has a working server that lets you visit other players' houses with them. Plus used to have a half-functional server, but it never added moongate support (or death messages, wishes, or voting), and it went offline a while back. Omake has a server, but I'm guessing it doesn't support Omake Overhaul.

>>19784922

hellooooo /pol/


Speaking of discord, is there a good one that I can ask questions about omake overhaul?

or if anyone can tell me how the FUCK the close combat specialist feat or whatever it was called works? Its the one that stipulates that it requires a weapon weighing less than 1.5s and turns martial arts stat into damage?

It kinda sounds like it allows you to use very light weapons and have it counted as martial arts with a damage bonus if you are weilding 1 weapon instead of 2 based on martial arts stat and feat level? but I equipped a light weapon and it didn't really seem like it worked like that, also wondering just general tips for a martial artist in omake? How do I get stronger and are there must have feats and is MA good late game here?

>>19791664
OO never buffed MA in the way Ano did. I think that weapon feats/comabt style feats + good gear will beat out MA hard in OO

What exactly is Omake? I've been away for a bit, only ever played plus.

>>19791867
a different mod thats a bit closer to the original 1.22 elona. theres no other continents and focuses on brushing up on the basegame more than adding extra content.

More to it than that but thats the short of it.

>>19792154
I assume plus has much more content because of its age?

>>19792319
yes it does have more content. Omake overhaul doesnt really add any content like new zones or anything but instead adds some pretty conservative changes and additions to the few of the systems present in the last patch of the original elona, like changing some feats and making the game advance based off fame rather than level, and a few new quests and stuff like that.

>>19791378
Moongates work in OO, you have to select the unofficial server though.

>>19791664
Reddit has a link.

MA can overflow damage values endgame, but unlike in plus the violence ether disease scales forever. As do all the other ones. So, getting the 2hand multiplier, or the dual wield multi-attacks is better than the damage dice from MA.

Speaking of, in OO dual wield is king. The enchant levels on weapons add to weapon skill, rather than damage bonuses, and reach much higher numbers than +15. I've seen someone with +1000 on ammo. So having 4 weapons in hand/range/ammo would give you +4000 weapon skill for a crazy damage multiplier.

>>19787797
Yeah, the characters are better as a bunch of weirdos that exist outside of any context. It doesn't help that the story itself is really bad.

>>19791867
Omake is a mode that fixes some bugs and gives little sisters a much bigger presence in the game, among other things. There are a lot of changes but the difference from vanilla Elona is still relatively minor.

Omake Overhaul is a mod of Omake that recently got an English version. Like Omake, it makes a lot of small changes. I consider the biggest improvements to be its changes to adventurers and nefia dungeons. You can meet adventurers go into dungeons and they'll help you fight the monsters and you can try to get them killed for their items. Their items are also of considerably higher quality, so they're harder to kill but trading with them and killing them are more beneficial. Tons of gimmick nefia dungeons have been added with their own rules that helps liven them up considerably. Also monsters will now get into fights with monsters of other types.

>>19794987
The adventurer thing sounds pretty neat. There are a lot of mechanics from vanilla that even plus didn't expand on. Maybe I'll give that a try sometime then. What are the chances of some merged version that adds all the plus content but also the more focused upgrades in Omake?
Also what bigger role do little sisters play? Just stronger pets or as some kind of high quality vendor maybe?

>>19795029
Just more content involving them. They can fall down from trees, theres a little sister day, knights of the little girl or something, etc.

>>19775196
i am new to the game so what are the differences between custom and custom-G?

>>19795652
Read >>19781669
I'm just returning and so far custom-G is good. Download plus, custom, and custom-g, drag and drop them into the same folder in that order.

Does "it enhances your spells" affect magic device like rods?

>>19796176
Not that i know of

>>19796663
Plus changed it:

Enhances Your Spells: Spell Power is multiplied by (100 + limit(EncPow * 2 / 3, 0, 1000) / 10) / 100

Applies to cast spells and zapped rods, but not invokes/potions/scrolls

>>19797149
>>19796663
I'm surprised, I wasn't even going to ask at first because I assumed no. Guess I'm using some artifact staves.

Can you still farm Rods of Wish and Domination in latest E+? I've planted a fair amount so far but all shit so far. 137 gardening + Kumiromi worship bonus.

>>19798862
Are you planting in the right months?

does this game have waifus

>>19800635

Everyone loves Shena's ass.

>>19800635
It has all the waifus. All of them.

>>19800635
you can either waifu one of the story/town chars, meshera alpha, or make your party into a bunch of your favorite waifus

>>19795029
>Also what bigger role do little sisters play? Just stronger pets or as some kind of high quality vendor maybe?
Rarely you'll find trees that drop little sisters instead of fruit when bashed. One day a year is little sister day where randomly spawned enemies are instead little sisters. There's a little sister version of rogue bandits and a little sister wandering vendor who sells lunches that boost your stats. If a little sister triggers ragnarok the world will be invaded by gigantic little sisters instead of dragons.

Just lots of little things like that. They're all uncommon enough that the gimmick shouldn't become annoying.

>>19795029
>What are the chances of some merged version that adds all the plus content but also the more focused upgrades in Omake?
Pretty much zero right now. Maybe something like that will happen when that Elona port focused on improved modding is finished.

>>19795652
Custom G undoes some of Elona Plus's changes that are commonly considered bad around here and implements a few quality of life features that make the game less tedious without really affecting balance. A clear improvement in my opinion.

>>19762622
try running your stuff on different compatibility modes

>>19800635
you can legit put in whoever the fuck you want into the game my guy yeah it has waifus

>>19800845
>Elona port focused on modding

That's something else I haven't heard of. I know there was an attempt to remake it in Java or something but last I heard that was cancelled.

>>19802312
https://github.com/ElonaFoobar/ElonaFoobar

>>19802348
Well that's interesting. Thanks anon.

trying to play this on a laptop is retarded. I'm fucking around trying to pick shit up.

>>19803223

"g" opens the pick up menu when standing over items, and the letter keys on the left let you quickly select them. Movement admittedly sucks without a numpad, but picking stuff up shouldn't be hard. You can also change the keybindings in config.txt if something else is tripping you up.

bump

Just had my PC bluescreen while in a dungeon, and now I get this on load. Any way to recover, or am I screwed?

Does Kai not come here anymore? usually when I returned to the game I'd come here and find him still grinding away. Haven't seen him this time though.

>>19813091
I think I saw him with a new character a while back. Guess he finished his void-diving mission?

>>19812816
That's all that happens? Nothing loads after that?

You could check and see if your computer has any backups of your save folder (right click -> properties -> previous versions on Windows).

>>19813091
It's been a very long time since we were graced by the Godgrinder's presence.

>>19818120
That's sad. I'm sad. It's not like I knew anything about his life but I still felt kind of like we were friends.

>>19815349
I get a bunch more error popups, about loading my save in an earlier version and logging out in a town. I've tried a couple versions, no dice.

Do you guys redesign your home and other deeds like shops, ranch, farms etc, or do you like to keep things in default?

>>19818278
I used to but it got a bit tiresome. Generally I just make my museum a giant open space and organize the contents not the building. Shop I leave as is because I can never remember what I can't sell and I have a system based on the shape to keep it flowing. House I redesign once I get a palace because of how far the actual house part is from the entrance, I mostly just make a little section with different areas for the shops to keep them organized, a room with my crafting stuff, etc. Pretty simple. I don't get very fancy.

>>19818325
I'm about the same except for shops. I dump everything to be sold on the entrance tile, but if the shop isn't big enough shoppers will displace me when I enter, so I make the shop a giant open space to dissipate them so that I can always just enter, drop my vendor trash, and leave.

>>19818449
I put each new entrance in a different pile on the ring around the base shop. If the ring fills up I take whatever is in the oldest pile and get rid of it because it isn't selling. I was doing what you were doing for a long time but then I just had a giant pile of cursed potions and other stuff that I swear I've seen sell before but was sitting there for months.
Some "hot item" mechanic might be nice for shops. Like having a display case or two that increase the price of a single stack put inside. As is there's little reason not to just pile everything up.

>>19818278

I usually redesign my home into a big square at the bottom of the screen and just dump everything by the entrance for convenience's sake. For my current character I'm trying to keep distinct rooms (sorted by purpose and actually decorated) for novelty's sake, but the extra walking isn't great.

I also restructure and section up my storage houses according to item type (weapons, ranged/ammo/throwing, armour, accessories, materials/supplies, and miscellaneous), since I'm a pack rat and they're impossible to navigate otherwise. And I widen the the entrance of shops for the same reason as >>19818449. I don't bother with redesigning any other properties. The default layouts are functional enough.

>>19678011
Oh THIS is where the Elona threads are, brb just bringing some buddies from /v/.

>>19818874
Anyone else remember the old /vg/ Elona general? We had so much fun guessing story elements and half-translating things. Doing a bunch of tests on mechanics and reporting results. Now I'm old.

>>19819342
I remember the /rgl/ general.

>>19819371
Those faggots kept bullying elona fans.

>>19819342
I remember that, I played a Fairy Farmer and helped translate some of the AP mechanics stuff when it was new.

Still haven't even cleared Act 2 yet even now, hoping to actually 'finish' (get caught up with) the current E+ this time with a new character.

>>19821308
Oh hey Fairy Farmer, I still had a few of the info-graphs you made up until about 2 months ago. You were really helpful.

One thing I really prefer about vanilla over plus is that when food rotted you might get a seed. It was a much less tedious system and let you get a sort of consolation prize for food rotting. Only having it if you worship Kumi was a bad idea, he should have just increased the chances. Maybe make it 5-15% chance based on gardening skill.

>>19818278
I do, I make all my stuff next to each other and connect them as if it were a small town

Elona+ Custom 1.82.2 is out:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014
https://mega.nz/#!xoYkVIJa!Pnrtj_56lm7qx_3kI3trgCq3o-UbIne7WjR9JIRipwk

It adds a new planting/harvesting interface for farms (accessed via a house board or register), plus a few small improvements and fixes.

Additionally, Elona+ Custom-G 1.82.2.1 is out:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X85pF9KebYI0TkAMlHWulHIzjQMMm3yS/view?usp=sharing
https://mega.nz/#!7IxRzbQS!ig30-GGTQHELwPOq-XRzp-kRqTWsQfdBeNZ4bPKrvCU

Only new addition here is adding the overlooked external files to change the last remaining instance of "<Vessel>" to "<Bethel>".

>>19822877
>Custom-G
The heck is this?

>>19823077
Custom if you subtract the piss fetish stuff

>>19823077
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

I wanna play as a Lich necromancer.
Is going solo as a mage with necro summons viable or are undead useless cannon fodder?

>>19824280

I haven't used necromancy much, but I think it would be possible. From what I've read, the higher quality zombies are good pet substitutes. This guide is helpful, if you haven't seen it:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_xAzzyFWzNvZ9E0S8CGO-gEsirBZpx_GYCnzQeXGvQ8

>>19824355
Nice, thanks buddy.

>>19824280
I wrote a Necromancer guide in the OP pastebin a few years back. It doesn't include some of the new stuff like fusions but all the information is still accurate and relevant. I'm at awakened nefias with my new Necromancer and just been doing the same thing. Basically you want to go magic device and get dupli-cane asap, then barrier, never turn off dupli-cane and keep your skill potentials up at all costs.

Who do i contact if i want to like port or remake elona on another game engine?
Like if i want it to make like 3d or something.

Can I get a link to the discord? I want to talk about Elona

>>19824799
Can't we go one week without discordfags shitting up the thread?

>>19824840
This is the first time I've heard mention of it. I just read the guide linked here >>19824355
and it mentioned the discord at the end. I just really like Elona.

>>19824781

>（Elonaについは、連絡さえいただければ二次使用も商用利用もフリーです）
So, email Noa. http://ylvania.org/en/contact

Returning to the game, a few questions about new things:
Do I still need to stockpile sox?
What is equip make?
What are bronze coins?
Is vitality just a new tier of heal?

>>19824799
Reddit has a link.

>>19824974
I'm never sure if posts like these are being helpful or snarky. I guess I'll go check.

>>19824922
Equip Making is what replaced craftable equipment. If you put in, say, a pistol, it'll turn into three randart pistols. Rare stuff like speed rings will only give 2, and sox in particular will only give 1.
Bronze coins are a new currency mostly used to pay for shopkeeper training.
Vitality is mid-tier healing, I think.

>>19825014
>Replaced craftable equipment
I can't craft equipment anymore? What's tailoring for then?
Since sox are 1:1 I assume they are still useful? So are the crafted equips of the same rarity or have a rarity based on crafting skill? Or are they just as good as finding some pistols on the ground in a dungeon?

So Elin is probably cancelled?

Can someone give me a good item sprite sheet? There's none in the pastebin. If it's outdated it's alright, I can edit it myself.

>>19825452
It's on hiatus

What is equip update?

>>19826760
Updates equipment type, ie turns swords into katanas or light sabers. The wiki should have a list of the transformation sequences.

>>19827507
Does it keep everything else about it? Like if I turn something into a kitchen knife would it keep the same bonuses but gain the anatomy bonus?

>>19827525
All bonuses are kept as-is. You can turn a kitchen knife into a wakizashi, and it'll be a wakizashi with an Anatomy bonus. You can turn a speed ring into an armored ring, and it'll have the armored ring PV while keeping the speed ring speed bonus. You can turn a chainsickle into a scythe, and it'll have Distant Attack instead of decapitate.
It also has synergy with Equip Making. Like, instead of wishing for an aurora ring, you can turn a composite ring into an aurora ring, then turn it into two randart aurora rings that come with the weather effect. Same thing for SLB.

>>19827640
Oh that's really interesting, thanks. So since you get the armored ring PV and the speed bonus do all bonuses hold over? Like if you loop a ring around from speed through every type back to speed will it have every bonus? That sounds pretty silly if so. These are definitely more interesting than the old crafting system but I'm not sure where I'll get all the reagents for the materia.

Have you given your little sister affection today?

>>19828461
>Reading your sister's diary

I respect her privacy and pile them all up in my storage house untouched. I'm waiting for her to come get them.

>>19828418
Nope, only the very first bonus is kept. So if you start as a ring and go to a aurora ring, you don't get the weather bonus.

>>19828562
Oh I see, so it's more useful for weapons then. What about unlisted benefits like 7 league boots? If I took some running shoes with the speed bonus and made them 7 leagues would I then get the unlisted speed boost from the 7 leagues?

>>19828585
Isn't that speed boost actually from the "It improves travel progress" effect?

>>19825043
You use equip making to exchange one item for 3 miracle or godly items of the same type. It's especially useful for generating living weapons of a certain type. For some rare items you get 2 or 1 instead of 3.

>>19828585
When you use equip update it changes the accuracy, damage, DV, PV, and pierce to reflect the new type but keeps everything else the same. You want to do stuff like make your long swords into lightsabres and your robes into bulletproof jackets.

>>19824736
Cheers pal, will check it out.

Does anyone know where these attribute icons are from?

>pick treat
>cops get called
>pick trick
>my home is firebombed

I need ideas for wishes. Miromi feels like a bit of a waste now that I have the essentials.

>>19832658
If you have candied api nuts I think treat just gives them those. I might be wrong about the item. There's a few that count as "candy"

Yacatect best girl

>>19832802
Valid halloween candy:
-caramel of termination
-handmade chocolate
-fortune cookie
-romias
-vernis original
-acorn
-chestnut
-api nut

I keep a pile of candy stashed in my house, and carry it with me throughout October.

>>19833931
That first one does work, but they will eat it.

>>19695930
What plus version do i need to run this one? is this like E+C but without the shitty recent additions?

>>19834374
It comes with an installation guide that explains everything.

>>19834374

Install it on top of 1.82.2 Custom. And yes, it mostly undoes unpopular changes from the last couple of years, though it also adds some extra machine translations. There's a readme that covers all the changes.

>>19834454
>>19834462
Thanks,,i think i will stick with this one from now on

>>19833931
>>19833976
>mfw I ate one of those caramels without realizing what it did
Thank god I was only in Derphy, but holy shit did it scare the hell out of me.

>>19834902
You've been terminated.

>>19834902
LETS RAGNAROK!

>>19832802
>I need ideas for wishes.
If you're in plus then a scroll of gain attribute for artifact fusion.

>>19837431
Core,summon a god to skip a difficult battle

i want to impregnate gwen (the pityless)

>>19678011
Elona is best played by savescumming as a magic knight.

Bump

are party times still the best stardust farming spots?

>>19842700
Probably, a single party can yield up to 5+ dust.

Does betting more than 1 chip actually do anything yet?

>No lucky sleep in months, maybe years
>This

There is no reason for me to be angry but I am

at what gardening skill should i attempt to grow artifacts?
>>19832456
who is this?

>>19843498
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Blackjack#Elona.2B_version_1.10_Loot_Tables

>>19843680
Appreciate it
>Godly item
>15

Guess I have enough cure corruption anyway. Maybe I'll luck out with something for artifact fusion.

>>19843758
Note that when you bet more than one chip, you can use your extra chips to give up on a hand and draw another without breaking your win streak.

>>19847503
Wait so the worse you are at gambling the more you should bet?

>>19847503
Will that change my reward? Like if I bet 5, need to give up on a hand 4 times, will I get the 1 chip reward?

How does negative accuracy work?

The idea is to artifact fusion before leveling a living weapon right? Since the levels can go past the limit but the fusion can't?

>>19851838
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.60_-_1.69#1.67
>[Living weapons] are also no longer usable in artifact fusion[...]

>>19851965
I'm going to rip my dick off god dammit fuck. Fine I guess it saves me farming more nefia cores I could be using on armor. God shitting dammit fuck

Has anything particularly good been added since version 1.69?
That's the last version I got and I've only heard of changes everyone complained about.

>>19848460

Looks like you might if you don't have any wins:
>1 chip will be deducted from your bet, but you will keep your win streak. The quality of prizes won will also be reduced correspondingly by 1 chip, but it can be worth it since 1 win has a larger effect on the prizes received than 1 chip.

>>19852454
Prepaying taxes, guards being able to kick out visitors, the god furniture, and Sense Quality pseudoIDing equipment 100% of the time with enough skill and passively IDing all items.

>>19848029
>Wait so the worse you are at gambling the more you should bet?
It might be a good method if you have tons of chips, are low on cure corruption, and the game refuses to give you a lucky day.

Lucky days are good enough that it's not worth betting more than 1.

test

>>19854946
Good job you aren't banned

>>19851782
pls help

>>19857163

What do you mean by negative accuracy? Are you asking about a negative hit bonus on an item, or are you looking at the combat rolls for your character? If it's the latter, I assume you're trying to dual wield something that's too heavy for your current stats.

>>19857282
like -100%
i know about greater evasion so i thought it had something to do with it since on the wiki page it says "evade inaccurate attacks."

>>19857558
Should have kept reading. It's just an evasion against crits, which normally ignore evasion chance.
As for your question, you shouldn't be hitting anything ever.
Why do you even have negative accuracy? Are you dual wielding heavy weapons? Heavy weapons while riding? Mutant with a dozen arms?

Can you monster ball enemies added by mods?

>>19857774
nah i dont have it in the negative while its the main weapon but i was confused by it being negative in my second hand so i was wondering if it had anything to do with greater evasion or something

>>19858600
Check weapon weight, then. Anything over 1.5s gets a malus unless you're using it with your main hand. Anything over 4s gets a penalty even if it's in your main hand. Obviously, if you don't have the dual wield skill in the first place you suffer even more penalties. Using more than one secondary weapon also incurs additional penalties.
>so i was wondering if it had anything to do with greater evasion or something
No, why would it? It's a defensive skill.

anyone have a link for E+ 1.82.1 to work with the new custom release?

>>19858435
e+ - no, custom npcs are stored in a way that doesnt allow monster balls to store them properly. last i checked if you catch one, itll pop out of the ball as a random npc

>>19858893
> E+ 1.82.1

The latest + release is 1.82. The .1 in 1.82.1 indicates the Custom version. But here's a link if you need it:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gJ3yxOC6zXNSixsVjAxR9LqjvTv5cMCv

Speaking of version numbers, whoever makes the next thread, please update the OP info. It should be:
>Current Version:
Elona+ 1.82 (26/08/2018)
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (08/09/2018)
>Latest Custom
E+C 1.82.2 (04/09/2018)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack 20180908 (08/09/2018)

>>19695930
could this be on the OP as well?

for some reason, with every version of the game i try running, the only keys that work on the beginning menu are space, enter, and escape. the exception would be when i select a language, where i can briefly use the arrow keys to navigate. does anyone know what the problem is?

>>19860429

This happened to me once, completely out of the blue. I tried several E+ versions (1.68, 1.71, 1.75), but I couldn't use arrow or letter keys in any of them. Try restarting your computer. That fixed it for me. I wish I could explain what happened, but I haven't been able to reproduce it since.

>>19860473
thanks, let me give it a shot

>>19860473
yep, that did the trick, thanks a million

>>19860594

Huh. Cheers.

>>19756426
>Supposedly you can build your own town and recruit NPCs to live there, but I have not tried that yet.

Really? I didn't see that in the wiki unless I skimmed over it.

>>19862807
It isn't a "beginner" friendly option, since it has a baseline fame requirement and getting a hold of the deed can be a bit problematic, then on top of that there's the issue of actually finding citizens to recruit (ones that you actually want versus just random folks).

Basically, it's a fairly complicated and finnicky thing to work with that demands you to sink a fair bit of time into.

Any help I can get with this? Each time I try to convert it to BMP and use it I get a crash, not sure what I'm doing wrong.

>>19863163
Make sure Do not write color space information and 24-bit bitmap are checked during export

>>19863171
My fucking hero, thanks man. I forgot to check not saving color info.

>>19863163
Or convert to BMP using paint

I suppose there is no way to turn off the 'ringing' right? shes a bell of termination

>>19864117
Talk to her and tell her to shut up.

>>19864232
but thats rude

>>19859194
Which can be any level and is permanent.
I kinda want to try a tamer run, basically rolling for high lvl NPC and then buffing them further.

Is there a Way to remove the spellstock? Always hated that on every DnD based game that I played, the only thing limiting the spells should be your magic capacity.

>>19864864
Look at this guy, trying to ruin the livelihoods of honest scribes and spellbook peddlers.

>>19812816
You'd have to get a new gdata.s1, put it in your save folder and manually readd your special actions, spell stock, ether disease progression and shit like that with elosnack.

does the all in one graphics pack still work? Don't wanna slap it in there just to end up having to go through the process again

>>19864864
You asked for this last thread and the Custom-G guy told you exactly how to do it. The line of code that lowers spellstock is "spell(efid - STARTING_SKILL_SPELL) -= calcspellcoststock(efid, cc)". Just remove it from the source and follow the "idiot's guide to compiling elona+" and you'll have what you want.

>>19865341
By this I mean to ask if it works with the newest version of E+C-g

>>19865348
Thank you but it wasnt me asking, this is my first time on one of these threads.

>>19865348
>from the source code
nevermind anon