/jp/ - Otaku Culture

in 2 threads it's going to be the year I was born in

what does wwwwwww mean?

yoshi time for reading

>>19760950
but it's almost sleep time?

just woke up actually

>>19760972
dont study

>>19760956
doesn't matter. it's always time for reading.

I'm overloaded now that school started, and honestly I was starting to feel overloaded even about a week or 10 days ago. jj

In anki, is there a way to not have to go over like 130 cards every day? Like, I wanna keep learning new words obviously, and I want to review the ones I forgot, but is there like a pause or take a day break function or something?

>>19760956

When is the Jamal vs Matt boxing fight commencing?

>>19760940
Probably warawara (lololol).
According to some, it looks like blades of grass, so it's often pronounced kusa (草, grass) and kusa haeru (草生える, grass is growing)

Sorry for the stupid question but I just finished memorizing the Kana. What next? Do I just used that Anki deck? Is there a specific way to set it up or do I just use it with default settings? Should I use some companion apps like Duolingo or Lingodeer? Do I start Kanji or later once I have more vocabulary?

>>19761004
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/guide.html#Learning%20Japanese

>>19761004
Start reading.

>>19761004
Just start reading and watching raw anime, anki is actually harmful. Everyone who who recommend anki are still beginners.

>>19760993
If you want fewer reviews, do fewer new cards. That is the only way.

>>19761002
thank you

a side note, I was feeling very fancy and wanted to respond with "thank you for your input" but when I searched it seems to be a sugar-coated way to say fuck you so simple is best

>>19761033
I'm already down to 10 and I can't keep up

>>19760993
>school

>>19761026
How will I know what anything means though?

>>19761026
>>19761019
not him, how do I start reading? really just brute force? use yomichan on every kanji and try common sense until you memorize everything?

>>19761026
Is it harmful if you do it alongside reading and watching raw anime? I don't get why it;s harmful.

>>19761004
Read Tae Kim, do the first 500 words of the Core deck, then start reading. You can do listening (e.g. watch anime without subs) at the same time as Tae Kim and Core.

reading doesn't fix pitch accent

pitch accent isnt japanese

>>19761077
If you're white and learning Japanese then you have no hope speaking correctly.

>>19760993
you can limit the amount of reviews per day in the deck options

Kino no tabi is boring, or maybe im still a brainlet, what do i read

>>19761059
Yes it is still harmful. Where do you get your words from? if it is from what you are reading then you actually are not reading but subconsciously looking for words.

>>19761044
>>19761048
You slowly start noticing things over time and once you notice something you can look it up and then you still won't know it. But after that when you see it more times your brain combines what you looked up with context and after seeing it like 100 more times you reflectively understand it. You can not force understanding as there is required time for you to learn certain concepts and no amount of brute force can fix that. As for vocab/kanji, you will be seeing and hearing 1000s of words a day in perfect frequency and you will eventually memorize them with time.

Hope that helped.

>Start Japanese class in University
>Nearly everyone is a Hafu
Why don't they know fucking Japanese already?

>>19761059
it's not harmful don't get memed

>>19761077
Plenty of people speak English in a professional capacity and yet have terrible accents. Why would you care immensely about pitch unless you're a weeb with an intense desire for being native-like?

>>19761095
They want easy A's.

>>19760889
Add イチモツ and 分身.

>>19761105
From the looks of it they don't know shit though. Unless they're all acting retarded.

>>19761108
A lot of haafus are either being ironic or legitimately retarded.

This is why you don't race mix.

>>19761108
>>19761114
>>19761095
Why is it so impossible? Maybe they grew up in Europe or America.

>>19761108
If they don't act retarded they'll be denied access to 101 and sent to a more advanced class, maybe.

>>19761114
It's not because they're mutts, it's because they're american.

>>19761026
t. beginner

>>19761119
Can confirm am Hafu and this happened to me. During the speaking section I pretty much did it perfectly which kicked me out of the class and transferred me to the higher section. Don't get why they give a shit though.
My last name being Japanese didn't help either

>>19761094
>and you will eventually memorize them with time.

A very long time, which you can speed up with Anki.

>>19761001
when you bring him here and put the gloves on him

>>19761141
And how good at Japanese are you exactly?

> speed up with Anki
bait?

>>19761108
if your a second gen immigrant theres no need to know your heritage language beyond understanding your me no speaky english parents and neighbors if you live in an area where english isnt the l1

>Matt
>George
>Peter
Who the fuck are these people?

anki doesn't help you learn faster.
anki helps you not forget what you learn.
you don't learn things in anki.
you learn by listening and reading.
those two activities act as natural srs for frequent words, but anki is good for words you don't come across as often which you want to remember.

You can do it everyone! I believe in you!

your words have inspired me to do my best today too

>>19761146
I can read without a dictionary in good part thanks to Anki. But honestly, the effect of Anki on vocabulary retention is so obvious that there's nothing to debate. Anyone who actually tries it already knows the truth.

Ah the anki sucks because when I tried it I just tried to remember a bunch of English definitions phase. I remember that phase. Don't worry, you'll soon learn that anki is actually useful tool if you use it right. You'll learn that you can still look for context with your flash cards and that it actually does improve your Japanese ability greatly. You'll learn it doesn't take 20 years brute forcing it with reading to become fluent.

>>19760889
>new guide website
Neat!
Can someone post the picture with novel recommendations please?

>>19761185
i feel like the people making arguments against anki are those who used it in the beginning but then found as their literacy increased they were better able to remember new words without having to use anki. so they're recommending that complete beginners just ditch anki altogether. they should be careful about advocating for methods that they themselves did not follow. this is just like what happened with matt recommending people do RTK, not realizing that RTK only worked for him because he was already fluent when he did it.

>>19761150
Is Peter just some random name you're throwing in there for the meme?

>>19761242
>I want to be Japanese
I regret never saving any of those cringe compilation pictures.

>>19761262
Seems like it.

Any anime airing now that is easy to follow with early on Japanese but isn't so good I'd rather just a watch with subs and not miss anything?

>r/LearnJapanese
>Kanji Koohii
>DJT
Who the fuck are these people?

>>19761275
just watch bakemonogatari

>>19761249

>>19761286
screams internally

>>19761290
what's wrong friend

VNs are harmful

so im doing genki and lesson 3 just sorts of introduces kanji in the vocab list without any preamble. am I missing something? are there any companion books (besides the workbook) that I am missing maybe?

I finally started reading. I picked Kimi no na Wa as my first reading experience. It took me ~20 minutes to read the first page and I understood maybe 30-40% of it. Is this normal? Am I retarded? I did core6k up to 1000 or so words and skimmed Tae Kim first.

>>19761319
yeah that's normal
it gets a lot better very fast

>>19761319
Of course that's normal, keep going

>>19761311
nah, you're not missing anything
just get used to seeing kanji as quickly as possible

>>19761311
you're not missing anything but also stop using genki

>>19760889
opinions of the few font styling on itazuraneko.neocities.org

>>19761343
what's wrong with it?

>>19761343
What do you think consider wrong with it? I used it to start and would do it again

>>19761350
super bad, the fonts it's selecting are mincho/serif fonts with no hinting, which is the worst combination for normal displays

エッチな少女を想像すると、おちんちんが大きくなる。
なぜかしら

>>19761356
selecting for me*

>>19761357
homo dakara

>>19761364
ホモだったら大きくならないよ

>>19761357
レズだから

>>19761275
the yuuna chan show ftw

>>19761311
stop using genki (i sure hope you didn't waste 50 bucks on that shit), go read tae kim and start reading
You don't need any "introduction" to kanji, in fact genki should use kanji from chapter one, you'll have to re-learn all the words you just learned

>>19761368
sabetsu tte damedesuyo

>>19761357
それは嘘と思う
信じおられないからおちんちんを見せてくれよ

Any site where you can download japanese games?
Nyaa has them on but it's usually with 1 or 0 seeders.

>>19761351
there's nothing wrong with it, just don't spend too much time on it
go through it quickly, try to get a basic understanding of the grammar lessons, do the exercises that have audio solutions, and then start reading actual material
don't bother with the workbook or the exercises that require the answer key
that's how I did it and it served me well I'd say, though a lot of people recommend just reading through tae kim instead

>>19761357
おちんちんか

>>19761350
I like it, but
>you agree to use cookies to personalize ads
>we will send information to google
never going there again

Genki makes you try to force production while you really don't understand what you are saying so you're limited to cookie cutter responses, the grammar explanations are in an English language paradigm and don't get into the logic of what Japanese is actually saying, the lesson order and layout of the topics is retarded. Use tae kim or Japanese the manga way

>>19761384
HTTPで本物のちんちんを見せる方法がないと思う

>>19761419
tyler kim and japango the mango way dont really solve any additional problems tho

do you know why

>>19761438
no and i dont care because whatever reason you have is bound to be retarded

>>19761414
>not using uMatrix and only allow images and css
I bet your reCaptcha uses JS

OH NO NO NO NO NO

>>19761456
its just the reason of everyone still sucks at japanese anyway etc which isnt retarded just sad

>>19761277
In all seriousness how is /r/learnjapanese? Are they filled with people actually trying to learn? I used to be in a forum with a learn japanese section and it was filled with people who are "learning kana" but never do and use it as an anime forum.

>>19761478
some people just aren't meant to make it

>>19761483
they're beginner books m8, they all suck but you can't start by learning hiragana and reading what is effectively nonsense and just learn grammar by pure absorption

>>19761496
you can if you meditate beforehand

>>19761478
This isn't too surprising. There are a ton of people who have lived in the U.S for decades and don't know English either. Sounds like that user isn't in the right mindset.
>Use English at home
Firstly he should try to stop that. Anything he can say in Japanese at home he should do it.
>Reading and Grammar is shit
Then read fucking more. If his kanji and vocab is good read NHKEasy and some Light Novels. Hell read fucking Dragon Ball.
>Japanese is too low to enjoy Netflix
Doesn't matter. Watch it. It does make a difference.

>>19761478
>i don't use japanese ever and i'm so mad that memorizing vocabulary from lists isn't working

>>19761478
stop posting everything i post to reddit

>>19761484
just like any language learning forum 98 percent eternal learners 1 percent people whose question cant easily be googled and 1 percent advanced or near fluent users who for some reason seem to enjoy talking about language learning and helping others more than they do actually using it for themselves

>>19761499
don't forget to do rtk

more like rtgay

>>19761522
so it's basically DJT

>>19761478
This just makes me said. 11 years, are you fucking kidding me? How can you be this inane about how to learn stuff

>>19761528
>just like any language learning
ye and probably any learning site or forum

Start Japanese class today and in 2 days we have a full Kana test already. How the fuck am I supposed to learn them that quickly?

>>19761537
by doing anki until you bleed

Does anyone have any otaku related podcasts that they listen to? A lot of what I find is by weeb gaijin who just tag their podcast with Japanese words. I'd prefer something that's actually still actively updated with current events.

>>19761537
just try to write them again and again? it won't take that long

>>19761522
except that last 1% is actually eternal learners too

>>19761537
>learning kana before hiragana
that's weird
But no I think it's a good class kana shouldn't take more than 4-6 hours to learn and any more seems excessive

>>19761567
you literally do not understand the topic you are talking about

>>19761567
kana refers to both hiragana and katakana
i'm assuming anon is only referring to hiragana though, which should be a breeze to learn in 2 days

>>19761567
Kana refers to both Hiragana and Katakana anon...
>>19761537
Write them til your fingers bleed.

>>19761555
http://sokoani.com/

You're welcome.

How is it that this thread has 100+ posts in it without a single original intelligent thought being expressed?

>>19761567

>>19761578
>>19761579
>>19761580
oh oops

>>19761585
So how's that first day on 4chan going?

>>19761579
Actually it was both. Entire class was groaning.

>find visual novel i like
>go on nyaa to download it
>0 seeders
What do you guys do in this sitation,i don't want to pay in their gobbledigook money,I don't know if i even could

>>19761559
correct, they look advanced in comparison to the first 98% but they've hit their own wall and would rather hang out somewhere where they're viewed as experts than overcome it

>>19761372
This

>>19761585
>without a single original intelligent thought being expressed
what do you expect from this thread?

>>19761609
First, how do you know if you like it if you haven't read it? Second, stop being poor and pay for the hard work of content creators, you parasite. Or else don't complain when you can't have it.

>>19761598
That's pretty rough, it's still doable though just get to it. Write them while looking at an example then cover it up and try to write them from memory. Active recall is the quickest way of learning anything
Honestly, it's good that you won't be wasting weeks on this shit

>>19761609
rutracker
>>19761617
buying significantly old VNs doesn't actually help the devs

>>19761598
your classmates displeasure should not make you feel any more justified in your own displeasure, most of them will not make it, will you?

>>19761609
What's the title?

>>19761622
this is true a lot of the smaller guys go out of business after less than 3 titles you especially dont wanna pay for those because its like salt in the wound for the devs

>>19761619
>>19761623
Honestly you're right. I should stop whining and groaning and just get to studying. I'll follow all the tips given here. Thanks Anons!

>>19761609
AB, a-s, ru, clubbox in that order

>>19761524
In all seriousness, I actually do think that going the route of learning kana -> learning kanji is fine as long as you don't get autistic and stress so much time over it. Don't kill yourself for forgetting shit, just get onto reading and learn. The point of RTK isn't to really "learn" kanji, just to familiarize yourself with them enough so you aren't intimidated. So many people are in the "kanji is fucking hard and scary" mindset and never try to read because they stop at every kanji to cry. If you get over the fear of kanji by just spending a month on zooming through them at an hour's practice a day, it makes it much easier to manage just learning.

However, I don't recommend RTK. That shit is ass. He picks the most ridiculous key words. Most people are just like "lol learn new English words while learning kanji!" which defeats the purpose. Like fuck that shit, don't use words with archaic meanings or words that aren't common in everyday language, and also cut the shitty kanji that aren't even common enough to even learn outside of context.

The answer is to use kanjidamage, but ignore a lot of the shit on the page. Just take a look at the kanji, maybe glance at the vocabulary examples he has associated with the kanji, but don't spend too much time or attention on them or anything else because you should be naturally learning vocabulary in context. It's more for just getting the seeds of vocabulary planted, and maybe reinforcing some words you already learned beforehand. Also you don't have to do the whole thing, just do enough that you feel like you have a firm grasp on kanji and don't really feel scared encountering them. When you feel comfortable looking at an unknown kanji and going "oh, okay, this part is that radical and this part is that one" and you can look it up with jisho.org just from its parts, you're fine. Just fucking read from there and continue learning kanji that way. There are some merits to the method, is just so many of these methods are made by probably literal (I mean that in the literal sense) autists like fucking katzumoto and matt who absolutely need to get COMPLETE structure or they will throw chairs across the room.

tl;dr - fuck RTK, do Kanjidamage, but ignore everything about kanjidamage aside from the radicals and kanji keywords. Don't bother getting serious with it, just use it to feel comfortable with kanji. Only meditate if you actually have a gf (female) to suck your cock while you listen to your breathing.

長いポスト禁止

>>19761650
tl;dr:

small amounts of kanji study are fine
RTK is fucking terrible

>>19761583
ありがとう兄貴

don't study kanji. you are wasting your time by procrastinating and telling yourself you aren't. study words.

>>19761650
i will give you partial agreement, i never looked at kanjidamage, some familiarization with kanji is not a bad idea, there should be more emphasis on quitting before doing the whole thing
people should remember two factors: even if you do 3000 kanji you will still encounter new kanji, and even when you encounter new kanji you don't necessarily need to continue relying on isolated kanji cards
>Only meditate if you actually have a gf (female) to suck your cock while you listen to your breathing.
why would i be listening to myself in that situation

>>19761650
"bad keywords" is the worst argument against RTK because there are only a few dozen egregiously bad keywords and koohii fixes all of them. the best argument against RTK is that you shouldn't bother unless you want to learn how to write.

>>19761664
RTK is excellent if you want to learn to write per hand. Though it should be done when you're already at a decently proficient reading level.

>>19761690
there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use rtk if you can already read japanese

>>19761683
>there are only a few dozen egregiously bad keywords
i would be surprised if this is the case, it felt like more
>the best argument against RTK is that you shouldn't bother unless you want to learn how to write.
to turn it around, wanting to learn how to write is a shitty argument in favor of rtk because you shouldn't learn to write before you learn japanese

>>19761694
there is if you want to write per hand, you don't learn that from reading you dimwit

>>19761695
>because you shouldn't learn to write before you learn japanese
this isn't turning around anything because nobody suggested doing RTK before you learn japanese.

>>19761698
cool so you should probably still practice writing but what about the other 80% of bullshit in rtk that's entirely designed to hold your hand when you don't know japanese

Hello DJT, I just did the JCAT and here's the result.

I did N5 last year and I'm thinking of doing N4 this Winter... Can I make it?

Also not so much Japanese advice, more test taking questions:

- How do you remember everything for the listening? I feel like such a brainlet, most of the questions I messed up for listening was because I couldn't remember what the question was, what they said, or which answer was which...

- How do I extract the key information faster for the longer reading tasks? Go through the answers first then read the passage? I always find myself having to reread the text multiple times

-Any advice for the horrible arrange the sentence shit they do in the JLPT that didn't appear here?

-Grammar question advice in general, like do I read the options first? I make up the blanks as I read along and look for the answers but if the answer I filled in my head isn't there it really messes up my timing. What do?

>>19761414
>putting ads on a guide and resources that you didn't even make
Wew, doesn't get much lower than this. I'll be sticking to the old site from now on as well. Fuck this guy.

>>19761707
>but what about the other 80% of bullshit in rtk that's entirely designed to hold your hand when you don't know japanese
Like what?

>>19761703
few endorsements of rtk suggest doing rtk after you learn japanese
further, doing rtk after you learn japanese is an even bigger mistake than doing it before because rtk is designed for people who do not know japanese
turns out rtk is just bad

>>19761537
Play Kana Invaders.

>>19761721
i'm not going to explain rtk to you my dude

>>19761707
People who did RTK after becoming fluent claim that RTK helped them recall the components that comprise the kanji because reading alone didn't allow them to recall with perfect accuracy. They added japanese words in kana among other things to the front of their cards.

>>19761721
the keywords
the mnemonics
the extremely terrible order in which kanji are introduced

literally everything except for the stroke orders

>>19761728
that's cool and all but that's not RTK
>>19761722
good post

>>19761727
You don't need to, I finished 1 and it was fine and I can write lots of moon symbols I couldn't write before which is the only point

>>19761717
i briefly checked the site and i didn't see what that guy is talking about, nor any external external javascript, did i miss something?

>>19761728
so you're saying that studying kanji after knowing japanese without doing rtk isn't a terrible idea, we're on the same page then
>>19761740
no one is saying you gain absolutely nothing from it, the question is if it is a good use of your time

1) rtk is not designed for spaced repetition
2) rtk is not designed to prompt you with anything but the keyword
3) rtk is designed to be completed before you start learning how to read japanese. it goes out of its way to explain this in its introduction.
4) reread point 3.
5) rtk is extremely limited in scope and contents and extensions to rtk that make up for this are not rtk. in particular, "lazy kanji" and "japanese words as triggers" are not rtk.
6) if you actually know japanese, absolutely nothing that rtk does is of any use to you, except for building by composition which is not rtk

>>19761737
>that's not RTK
I think most people would still consider it RTK. If you don't that's fine.

US JLPT registration opened up! You do want to get a certificate saying how much Japanese you know, don't you?

https://www.aatj.org/jlpt-us

>>19761757
if that's rtk then kanjidamage is rtk which is obviously not true

>>19761759
Why can't they make the JLPT free? $70 is just plain Jewry.

>>19761756
>6) if you actually know japanese, absolutely nothing that rtk does is of any use to you
except providing an easy method to learn writing

>>19761713

>>19761776
it doesn't do that

>>19761501
Manga isn't reading though.

>>19761713
you could pass n3 easily if you studied for it and did a few weeks of reading practice

>>19761780
Maybe but nothing wrong with a bit of fun on the side.

>>19761775
Yeah why does an organization that has to rent space to administer and proctor a test and then grade it and return results and certificates charge money? That's retarded!

>>19761713
>Any advice for the horrible arrange the sentence shit they do in the JLPT that didn't appear here?
Those are my favorites because you can usually narrow the solution down just by process of elimination without knowing the actual grammar point inside out, I find them quite fun actually

>>19761683
Kanjidamage keywords are flat out better though. It's a lot easier to remember radicals like "the tip," "horny," and "opium" than it is to remember dry ass words like "squared jewel," "daybreak," and "rin" (what the fuck?). If the point is to make yourself less intimidated, it's just better to be silly with it so that you take kanji less seriously. Plus Heisig has a knack for picking words that aren't really uncommon are utilized in uncommon ways with his book, like "plane" not referring to an aircraft nor a geometrical plane. If you have to pick between one or the other, kanjidamage serves the purpose of "just fucking get over your fear of kanji, faggot" way better.

how much japanese you learn is proportional to how much fun you have

>>19761795
lmao seisyun is beautiful

>>19761807
based and redpilled

>>19761756
>not designed for
It doesn't matter what Heisig's intentions are.
>extensions to rtk that make up for this are not rtk
Technically you could say this is true but I don't really see the point? All this means is that instead of suggesting RTK, people should suggest "RTK + extensions". Or perhaps when people suggest RTK they do have "RTK + extensions" in mind.
>except for building by composition
Which is the most crucial part.
>>19761764
I'm not familiar with KD so I don't know.

>>19761779
I just wanted to be friends anon :(

>>19761781
I don't have the time or the self-confidence though.

Say I pass the N1 test. Bragging rights aside what can I do with the cert?

>>19761419
i still don't get why people are scared of geese
just grab the fucks by the neck and chuck them

>>19761795
Spending money for something you're not guaranteed to get is retarded. There's no sugarcoating that.

>Which is the most crucial part.
it's also quite literally not RTK at all
telling them to use RTK for building by composition is like telling someone who's severely dehydrated to consume soup, or telling someone who needs to learn how chords work to learn how to play guitar

>>19761776
What's so hard about remembering the position of radicals without making up retarded bloated stories. Just write them down when doing your reps

>>19761823
you can burn it, eat it or hang it on your wall

>>19761823
Do you have any employable skills or work experience? It's mainly for companies, schools, and the government

>>19761796
How??? Please give example. I want to be one of the cool kids who can make intelligent guesses from context or whatever when they don't know but I'm too dumb for this shit

>>19761826
You're not paying for the certificate. You're paying for the opportunity to earn it you dumbass. Whether or not you pass has no bearing on how much it costs to proctor the exam

>>19761823
wipe your ass with it and mail the feces laden piece of paper back to hiroyasu ando

>>19761813
not him but the way i see it is the extensions being proposed to make rtk viable, particularly after learning japanese, are more important than anything from the original rtk itself
in fact what remains that is clearly rtk is mostly degrading the result, might as well cut out the other bullshit like the order of kanji
suggesting that anything that builds up kanji via composition is rtk is absurd, it's a really fucking obvious strategy for a set of thousands of characters that have strokes in common with each other

I teach Engineering. I've heard I can teach English easily with it but that sounds a bit...boring in comparison.

>>19761839
im gonna proctor a rectal exam on you with my large chinko if you dont pipe that shit down my ninja

>>19761826
Gamburu gamburu

>it's also quite literally not RTK at all
It's part of RTK. If you know of something that has better keywords and order than RTK and koohii then feel free to recommend it.

>>19761823
eating it yields a +10% nihongo gains buff for 24 hours

>It's part of RTK.
that is not an argument in favor of telling people who know japanese to do RTK
>keywords and order
that's the thing. if you know japanese, YOU DO NOT NEED KEYWORDS OR A COHERENT ORDER.

first person to post a kanji ill give you a better keyword for it than rtgay and all the other busters

>>19761857
精

So I just boiled Genki I+II and ate it. I feel nothing has changed. What did I do wrong?

>>19761826
spending money on a test you aren't confident you can pass is a pretty low-iq move indeed

>>19761860
textbooks are actually poisonous, you should be glad you didn't die
keep it real and stick to manga next time

>>19761860

>>19761860
genki is actually a debuff, studying for the next 48 hours will give lackluster results

>>19761860
that reminds me of this kanji 鉢 the keyword is "bowl" I imagined a METAL bowl in which I put BOOKS to cook them and easily absorb their knowledge isn't that awesome i'll never forget how to write it

振り返ればそこにあるスタートラインまだ進んじゃいない

>>19761650
In all seriousness, I actually ain't reading all that shit.

>YOU DO NOT NEED KEYWORDS OR A COHERENT ORDER.
The order is based on shared components which makes it easier to learn to write kanji in bulk. Division of labor.

>based on shared components
when you actually know japanese this is the opposite of helpful, it causes memory interference

>>19761859
i never did the keyword shit so i gotta think about this one give me a minute itll come to me

>>19761908
life force btw

>>19761901
the order is partially based on shared components and primarily arbitrary bullshit that demonstrates that heisig did not know japanese

>>19761917
人 being towards the end of rtk is one of the stupidest wokest things ever

>it causes memory interference
Odd, people who did it after they learned Japanese claim it helped them recall the components of the kanji they were trying to write.

kklc to answer your original question about something with better keywords and ordering for people who know japanese btw

>>19761913
but its not a force its like water the forces act on it

like a flower in the wind

>>19761929
green eco

>>19761928
This so much. KKLC is excellent if you already have a good deal of vocabulary

>>19761859
i'll help him out
my keyword is semen
it's got the color of rice but inside it is some magical blue life force

>people who did it after they learned Japanese
ding ding ding that's where you're wrong
>claim it helped them recall the components of the kanji they were trying to write
something technically being useful does not mean it's actually a good idea

you don't need to learn how to write kanji from an english keyword. you need to learn stroke order so you don't spend so long drawing shit into google translate's or whatever kanji recognition program when you don't know common readings for the kanji

>>19761940
what are you a smurf lmao

>>19761928
funny because kklc also is marketed as something you should do before you learn japanese
but yeah it's not hard to come up with a better order than rtk

>ding ding ding that's where you're wrong
Their testimony is the only reason why I've said what I've said. Someone's experience vs. what I'm going to guess is your theory.

>>19761949
the blue is metaphorical, keep up

>>19761948
draw from the top left to the bottom right
when strokes are shaped funny that indicates an unusual/exceptional stroke order, like leftwards
outer components go before inner components
lines that cross several other lines go last
there now google translate will understand whatever you draw into it

you listening to other people's anecdotes because of their apparent authority is actually the exact opposite of an argument

>>19761955
anecdote is worth less than theory
if you had something more reliable than anecdote from a couple of cultists that would be different

>>19761950
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

>>19761969
that's actually you dude

>>19761950
kklc recommends you have a basic understanding of japanese grammar as it's reflected in the didactic vocabulary which contains short phrases that require you to understand the grammar. but yeah if you already know japanese then kanji study is a waste of time, as are english keywords. they just don't help, and having an intuitive understanding of the meanings you gain from vocabulary beats anything someone can give you in english

but also just writing out each kanji in kklc one at a time without any SRS or review or anything, from start to finish, will actually help you learn to write kanji and recall kanji from memory, if you already know japanese and can't yet do so

(this only really works because kklc's order is a hell of a lot less braindamaged than rtk's)

>>19761968
It depends on the theory. Your theory for example was that shared components causes memory interference for people who know Japanese. Their experience was the opposite. In that situation I'd trust their anecdotes over your theory, since there's really nothing to back your theory in the first place.

>>19761969
not an argument
>>19761973
i don't remember phrases but it's been a while, regardless knowing some basic grammar is hardly knowing japanese

>>19761986
>Your
that was me, not him

>>19761991
OK.

>>19761986
that's the thing
they didn't know japanese
you're obviously referring to matt, and he went back and did rtk when he could read most stuff, but he was still shit at any kind of production

What verb form would a japanese menu use? In software, I mean, not a restaurant.

e.g.

> Start
> Continue

Probably it'd just be in English. But I'm making a japanese learning game and want to be consistent.

>>19762001
have you considered opening up some software made for japanese people and checking

When someone already knows how to write, they shouldn't do RTK? Genius.

>>19761986
actually anecdote from cultists is worth less than pretty much any theory you could come up with
but yeah i'm not him and i'm not claiming memory interference, i'm claiming that rtk is inefficient in general including after learning japanese

>When someone already knows how to write
that's not what i said and the fact that you're pretending it is means that you don't have any valid-seeming arguments anymore
peace

>>19761859
ok i figured it out

>>19762014
so green eco

guys
Guys
GUYS

What if instead of arguing with each other we encourage each individual to look at both RTK and KKLC and weigh the pros and cons and decides which one works best for their particular learning situation?

>>19762001
>verb
try again.

>>19762001
>I'm making a japanese learning game
How are you doing that if you don't know Japanese?

>>19762006
epic bait

>>19762018
some things are subjective
some things are objective
rtk being bad is objective

>>19762018
no fuck you

>>19762018
or maybe you guys can keep being retards at the kiddie table while we talk about smurf cum and big tits you little dork

That's the only sensible interpretation of what you said, else why on earth would production in regards to writing be relevant? Peace brother. Next time share your experience with RTK or someone else's experience with RTK instead of relying on conjecture.

>>19762018
holy reddit

>>19762018
you seem to be confused
the correct answer is to learn japanese and then use neither to learn to write

>That's the only sensible interpretation of what you said
writing isn't production. full stop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

>>19762034
you meant "writing individual kanji" but yes

>>19762021
>>19762005
>>19762020

you can just say nothing if you don't know

Manga is reading, prove me wrong

>>19762044
oh we know alright you're just doing something you shouldn't be doing

Matt's experience with RTK can't be extrapolated to people who are fluent and but can't write kanji because although Matt could "read most stuff" he wasn't "good at production yet". What does the latter have to do with anything? We're just talking about knowing how to write kanji.

if you can't produce japanese, you have not yet learned japanese

>>19762001
please dont make a japanese learning game we dont need any more of those

>>19762044
I know and I'm not going to tell you. I just want to 長引かせる the time you spend not knowing Japanese.

>20:37:26
>20:37:28
Absolutely destroyed.

>>19762049
>We're just talking about knowing how to write kanji.
we're talking about knowing japanese well having an impact on your ability to learn to write you titbrained fuck

>>19762053
I'm not making it for you.

it doesn't matter who you're making it for, if you don't know japanese you should not be creating japanese learning materials of any kind

>>19762066
judging by you being stuck at the menu youre likely not making it at all

>>19762066
are you trying to get free money or do you think this massive waste of time will help you learn japanese

>>19762070
lol, I can tell by this post you know a lot about games development

If you don't know はじめから and つづきから you have no business making a "Japanese learning game", how are you going to "teach" something you don't even know?

>>19762066
oh wait i got it sorry im used to the usual seething noobs of djt

youre being tundere right

ps: はじめから and つづきから are not actually what most japanese games use on their start menus, at least not in combinations

>>19762080
tell me more about whatever sounds really interesting

>>19762031
The users of this website could learn a lot from the culture of reddit. Things like actually reading what you are responding to, being polite and respectful, framing logical arguments, and appreciating the other poster as a fellow human being rather than an anonymous chat bot to throw shit at. But that's beyond most people here.... *sigh*

>>19762080
lol, I can tell by this post you know a lot about the content required to make a language learning game

>>19762063
He said in that post that Matt could read most material but his production wasn't up to snuff so what my response is still relevant. I didn't even address the fact that he just made that up about Matt's production level at that time. I don't know, this sounds like more conjecture to me. He should be careful about that. Look what happened to Matt.

>>19762089
"Start", "load" and "continue" don't sound exotic enough to people who don't know Japanese.

doing RTK at the beginning goes totally against khatzumoto's advice of understanding before you output. what's the point of knowing how to write　鬱 and 蟹 when you don't know a single word? it makes no sense

>>19762092
reddit is just 1 click away dude sayonara that means cya for possibly ever in japanese

>>19762092
i have to admit reddit is miles ahead of us in terms of e-celeb wank and

>>19762092
>Things like actually reading what you are responding to
lol they skim all the time
>being polite and respectful
kiss asses dancing around and hiding conviction cause muh upboats
>framing logical arguments
literally being so retarded that they parrot factually incorrect info and then circlejerk about how bad they are at that
>appreciating the other poster as a fellow human being rather than an anonymous chat bot to throw shit at
you mean appreciating the upboat no one gives a fuck about you lol

>>19761616
I don't expect it not to be shit, but I am always disappointed that it is shit.

>>19762107
we've moved on already we're disussing menu screens now

>>19762107
How do you learn new words when you can't distinguish between them?

>>19762107
We were talking about doing RTK after you're fluent.

>>19762101
i admit you're right in that he doesn't know what he's talking about matt because matt said nothing about production, matt actually wasn't happy with his reading either at that point which is why he thought he needed more kanji study in the first place, so i guess you could say he didn't know japanese

>>19762092
Quality post. Not that I disagree by the way.... *sigh*

>>19762120
this is a problem that does not actually exist
if you have eyes you can distinguish them

>>19762120
i don't know what you are talking about. give me examples of words you can't distinguish. then tell me how learning to write 木 when you see tree would help you distinguish those words

if matts japanese is so good why doesnt he have a japanese girlfriend yet 考え中 emoji

*溜息をつく* わたしはゲイ

>>19762136
he keeps his social life private but in discord he brags all the time about how many cuties he's chatting up on skypech

>>19762081
It's just a simple kana learning game, more specifically, the aim is to increase speed of comprehension. I don't exactly have to be fluent to construct the content.

And before someone says it, I'm aware it's not exactly a revolutionary idea. But if I can make a tool for my own pleasure, that's useful for me and my friends, great. I've worked in educational games for a few years now so this kind of project is a good consolidation of the techniques I've been learning.

*ちんぽをつく* わたしも

Of being into of listening of language is in Japanese knowing isn't of meaning the words are of. Is helping into still?

>>19762145
leave matt's discord since you hate him so much dude real matt fans ONLY

>>19762145
matts gonna turn 40 and still be doin nihongo keg stands bald as fuck while the fine lads of djt are gonna be married with lil halfie babies and holdin fat stacks of yen in rubber bands

>>19762147
OK, I told you what to write. I just hope you have the decency to not charge anything for it.

>>19762154
i just made something up that made him sound cooler than he is and you think i hate him?

>>19762089
honestly those are prolly perfect for his game

>>19762147
it wouldn't be an industry if you learned what you were making a tool for before making the tool, now would it
the best thing about making dekinai tools is that all your users remain dekinai so that you can sell them the same thing again in a couple of years

>>19762153
Yeah listening still helps if you don't know what's going on.

>>19762153
So many ESL's coming on here.

>>19762185
>coming on here

>>19762185
found the esl

>>19762165
>>19762171

so just plain form + から? Thanks for your help.

>>19762193
yeah that sounds good good luck mate if you need any other help dont hestitate to ask

>>19762198

you're kidding right?

>>19762218
hell learn some japanese by making his game thats for dang sure

>>19762193
i hate to help you with something you should have thought of on your own, but why don't you just download some of those retro jrpgs with no kanji and look at their menus
you might accidentally learn a little bit of japanese in the middle of your procrastination

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcfdCeaKFMg#t=61

I've read that memory is 5x better after fapping. Can this be used to learn Japanese?

>>19762268
kenja taimu is a hell of a final form

i think youre only in a useful state mentally for like a minute or less post ejac

after that youre prolly worse off than when you had the raging erection

>>19762268
the longer you go without jacking increases your memory performance and clarity when reading in my experience

>>19762272
i agree with this extremely. if i have a boner i can read anything with cute girls in it for hours. if i don't i can't.

>>19762299
yeah same when i finish i lose interest

>>19762308
also actually fapping to h-scenes can make the game feel gross and badly written unless it's yuri

Is this music video the end result of AJATT? How do I get to a point where I eigo wakarimasen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEo87oaQXZY

if you wanna know whether or not you have what it takes to learn nihongo

just go jack off and ask yourself if nihongo is something you really actually care about as your gross sloppy load dribbles out

>>19762315
you dont ever get to that point but like for me if i think too hard about english now instead of just go off of intuition i weird myself out pretty hard

king miyadi is sick as fuck tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHV9S7OTV8w

deddo sureddo

>>19761743
http://users.smartgb.com/g/g.php?a=s&i=g18-83684-b0

>>19762569
you or your ISP has malware, there are no ads on that page

djt is malware

also newsflash 4chan has ads too

can confirm the djt guide sites all stole my hentai avoid them at all cost

irresponsibly browsing the web resulting in the inadvertent acquisition of malicious software is not reading

*le sigh*

stop shitposting you're breaking my immersion

what were you immersed in

chopin's nocturne in c# minor

do people shitpost on 2ch?

>>19762569
so only the guestbook? not even his ads you realize?
that's what happens when you don't know any backend shit and borrow prebuilt bullshit, he should replace it but there's no reason to avoid everything else

>>19762702
(´･ω･`)

dont worry guys im learning web coding via youtube tutorials ill make the best real guide site with no ads no malware no computer viruses just the real nihongo shit when i finish the tutorial videos on youtube

>>19762712
is this supposed to be a metaphor for the dekinai approach to japanese
i didn't realize until now

>>19762703
neocities doesn't even have a backend dude

>>19762718
i regretted posting that because it was too transparent immediately after posting it

oh well good job bro :\

>>19762719
neocities is for people who don't want to know how to backend dude
also poor people i will admit that

>>19762742
not even close to true
neocities is a (^_-)-movement(≧∇≦)b

who else enrolled into a jap major because they can't be fucked to buckle down and learn something real like a trade or CS or chemistry

i am going to be a lazy fuck till the end of time, aren't i

backends are overrated just install wordpress and download a theme ftw

leave backends to the dorks that need to code boring things like shopping carts

>>19762750
if you dont have a good specific reason to go to college dont go to college

its like taking the n1 dont do it unless you know why youre doing it and why its needed

>>19762749
i don't know what you just said

>>19762760
installing wordpress is like installing windows
oh wait i guess you're into that too

>>19762760
>if you dont have a good specific reason to go to college dont go to college
it's free here and i don't know what else i should do.

>>19761350
Low pixel density vector mincho fonts are hard to read. Increase the font size to unreasonable levels everywhere or change it back to a gothic font.

>>19762769
literally posting from winblows十 what are you gonna do about it

>>19762773
try making money with your time instead and then maybe youll come across a reason to go to college because its necessary to get an in demand job to make you more money than whatever else youre doing ┐(‘～` )┌

or you just become an epic day trader thanks to youtube tutorials

>>19762785
nothing because i'm also posting from winblows because i don't want to use wine but i'm not happy about it

>>19762793
ill tell you something epic though

even tho i use win10 95% of my computing i do in a winxp vm because i cant let go of the past

also because most of my favorite hentai games wont run in later versions of windows due to bad japanese soft

>>19762800
why use a vm instead of running it natively

>>19762811
i do have an old amd k6 machine with an old giant ibm crt monitor for that immersion purpose but i would never dare connect it to the internet in 2018

plz have these discussions in >>>/g/

the reason why its relevant is because of the eroge that you need to learn japanese obviously and because you cant watch youtube videos on a k6 computer

>>19762824
ok

>>19762832
plz suck on these nuts, my nigga

i learned japanese to get a girlfriend and this is what i get

could be worse you could=

>>19762887
did you nod out on your keyboard

no i just realized it actually couldnt be worse and gave up typing lol

>>19761350
bad look fix please

nice font

>>19761350
when you try to fix what isn't broken

its ok turd polishing is djts favorite pasttime

On a scale from one to ten what is your favourite color of the alphabet in Japanese?

あなたのカヌーがヘッドライトが付いた木の中にくっついていると、月にいくのにどれくらいのパンケーキがかかりますか？

⊂( ・∀・)ﾜｹ ( ・∀・)つﾜｶ ⊂( ・∀・)つﾗﾝ

>>19762955
剣色

｢(ﾟ<ﾟ)ﾞ??

>>19762955
nana-iro : )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAtJjYezKn4

>>19761037
＞１０
a-anon, I...

How do you conjugate the 'long form' (~ます）of the te-form?

idk what any of that shit means

小さい女の子が俺のパンツに大きな変化をさせる

^read this post for per ma nent da mage

tl;dr

>>19763117
>'long form' (~ます）
where did you read this

>>19763149
you got mad 病気s bro

>>19762806
>Japanese devs not giving in to the botnet that is W10

They're actually being smart on this one.

>>19763172
yeah they were definitely smart to make sure their games wouldnt run in a future version of windows a decade plus before it came out shits mad next level

it dont matter until every cpu in the world is os locked so

How do you do my fellow Japanese learners? Just hit 910 kanji on RTK, what about you?

>>19763168
From the Genki 1 2E workbook. The pages in the textbook that introduce the te-form do not mention any sort of 'long form'.

>>19763191
just do them with ます like 行きます lol

now this is what djt was meant for helping with genki homework

>>19763191
I might have answered my own question; I think I misinterpreted the instructions and it is actually asking for the ~masu conjugations of the verbs just to check your memory, not the "long form of the -te form".

Does that seem like a reasonable interpretation?

>>19763180
Sounds like someone is bitter about being duped into joining the botnet.

>>19763210
my winblows has been thoroughly debotted i have the traffic logs to prove it

毎朝散歩することにする。
Why aren't there any particles between 毎朝 and 散歩? Shouldn't it be が?

>>19763214
I believe you, neckbeard-kun.

>>19763208
Yes that's probably what they want, but if there is a long te-form it might be ~まして

>>19763208
Yes

>>19763221
it's a time adverb, you don't use a particle
今日自殺します

>>19763228
>>19763227
Thanks, being retarded is tough sometimes

how long did it take you guys to get decent at grammar, need some motivation

>>19763221
lifes too short to be bogged down by particles

>>19763225
my neck is also thoroughly debearded every 4 or 5 days

>>19763230
Ahh I see. Thanks.

>>19763238
it was prolly around the time i watched about 10000 hours of anime that my grammar really reached the level of intuitive understanding

>>19763227
When is ～まして used, is it when nothing is attached to the end?

はじめまして

わたしはゲイ

>>19763254
こんばんは。

>>19763250
Probably, I never hear it mid-sentence. But, not a native.

大きいおっぱいが大好きですよ

>>19763250
>>19763271
It's extremely formal sounding so you won't hear it often.

>>19763276
Should I be sad or happy that I can read that completely?

>>19763280
Reading that sentence permanently damaged your japanese, so you should give up now.

>>19763280
just feel how you want not how the internet tells u

>he is learning the hardest language in the world just to watch cartoons

>>19763230
Don't you use は here or something

>>19763294
not actually necessary

honestly before haruhi existed id argue that anime is great but basically in the post haruhi world its a fair question to ask

>>19763293
I'm actually learning it to consume modern Japanese literature like 素晴らしき日々.

https://u.lewd.se/HZKNv7.7z
VN scripts for the vn script anon.

>>19763298
hey you take that back
that is the best movie that has ever graced anime
the series on the other hand

>>19763302
No one cares about your autism, bro.

>>19763310

>>19763302
i care about your autism bro and i look forward to any additions to useless vnscripts stats

>he thinks porn is literature

>>19763302
Thanks for the virus.

i only read all ages visual games

check mate erotards

>>19763293
>implying i'm not soing it so i can one day become a salaryman and experience the mindcrushing workhours of Japan

>>19763240
Sure it is, Mr. Magoo.

>>19763302
I think you need to submit it to http://wiki.wareya.moe/Requests

>>19763326
>weebs
even worse

anime is almost at the critical mass required to send the entire globe into a singularity of sex and poop jokes via netflix funding

>>19763326
is this what the kids call, 「ｗｏｋｅ」

>>19763326
youll still be the gaijin of the office and honestly by the time you get there work hours will be more lax and people will start actually using their vacation time and you wont even have to go to the drinking get togethers

>>19763327
kid i shave with a kiku ichimonji you cant get with this shit

>>19763293
>Japanese
>Hardest Language

Is this what weak-minded Anglos actually believe?

>>19763325
Same, I read the all ages version with bonus exclusive content on my PlayStation Vita.