/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19706752
What’s the secret to learning Japanese?

>>19706760
to stop trying and give up

So I started RTK at the start of the month. It's been fine so far for the most part. Was going to hit 500 today. Should I just flip it into a lazy kanji deck, while going through Tae Kim and sentence mining instead?

So this haiku come up in a story I'm reading:
>コーヒー店永遠に有り秋の雨
It's all in one line, but I couldn't figure out how it fits into the typical 5-7-5 on pattern. Does the first line, (コーヒー店), have 5 on? I would've thought kana with ー has 2 on, which would make the first line has 6 on. If コー and ヒー is both 1 on, that would be 4 on, not 5.

I'm just curious, it's a stray observation from a narrator visiting her old village.

>>19706776
Lazy kanji is retarded. If you are going to do kanji->keyword, just do a vocab deck instead.

>>19706752
Guys i need to find stroke order for 214 Kanji Radicals, I don't see anything in sticky etc for it.

Halp, I can only memorize by writing.

>>19706776
If you decide you're going to give up doing RTK properly because of what Matt said in his newest video, you probably can just drop kanji study altogether instead of switching to the lazy kanji method. After writing kanji out every day for what I presume is the best part of a month, you've probably got all the benefits and more that you would've gotten from the lazy kanji approach in terms of learning to see kanji as something other than a bunch of squiggles (which I think is the point Matt intends for you to reach by doing lazy kanji, though I was drunk when I watched his video so I can't really remember too well).

>>19706776
What is lazy kanji?

>>19706838
A lazy way of doing RTK that AJATT's founder recommended where you do the opposite of what Heisig says you should by having the kanji on the front of your cards and the keywords on the back (so recognition instead of production).

>>19706827
I've been enjoying learning kanji so far, so at this point, I don't really want to drop kanji. Just wondering if I was wasting my time, really. I'll just roll with what I was doing then I guess.

>>19706838
Front of the flash card is the kanji, you write it out, then try to recall the keyword.

>>19706824
You could just look up stroke orders of kanji which contain the radicals. For 犭, look up the stroke order of 犯, etcetera.

>>19706852
Huh, I was under the impression some stroke order change when the radical is in a certain kanji.

>>19706752

Why do people give so much attention to matt? What's so special about him?

Every once in a while I try to go to Tae Kim's website it just doesn't load up. Does anyone else have this issue?

>>19706889
he's cute

>>19706889
He has a nice penis.

>>19706887
>Matt vs Pokemon.png

>>19706892
Tae Kim can’t pay to keep it up all the time.

>>19706889
Literally everyone who talks about him is paid to do so, including you.

>>19706889
We're tsundere for him.

>>19706904
Oh shit, I forgot that he was just a nigga who did textiles for a living. Maybe I should buy his book.

Reading Unred Night vn and I've come across this sentence that I'm having a hard time trying to understand. これって思いっきり、フェラチオってやつだよな……。

The searching I did before coming here I was able to find out that 思いっきり can mean, with all one's strength; to one's hearts content. But I don't understand how it is working here. Also I have no idea what the やつ is suppose to mean either.

>can read a page of a novel with looking up things <10 times
>feel like there's progress
>tries to listen to a podcast
I have not even stepped off the palm of Dekinai.

So Maatt started his own cult because he thought the original AJATT cult was flawed but now he has admitted that his own ideas were flawed and reverted back to the original cult but is still calling it his own.

>>19706998
Its not about the destination its about the patron bucks he makes along the way.

>>19706998
Cult psychology is so fascinating.

おにいちゃん

がんばれ

>>19707017
かわいい

>>19706973
Might as well study your grammar with listening.

日本語の森 is the best way to do this.

>>19707021
>listening to non-native speakers for listening practice

Right guys, as a part of immersing myself into the language. Should I just cut off all English media?

>>19707033
Yes, goodbye.

>>19706824
Try
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Stroke_Order_Project/Kangxi_radicals

>>19707026
Wait, they're not native speakers?

Fuck, I've been listening to this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Moro_-E4H0k for quite some time.

>>19707042
さらば外国豚殿
私たちは二度会いません。

>>19706971
It means he's getting his dick sucked really good.

>>19707072
Well yea that was pretty clear but I don't know how to sentence is working.

>>19707026
Any proof of that?

>>19707077
I don't have context, but やつ should be referring to the act of the fellatio. 思いっきり kinda depends, but it's a common expression you'll get used to seeing. I'd guess he means the dick sucker is really putting their heart/strength into it. "So this is what they call with-all-one's-heart fellatio"

>>19707108
That helps, thanks.

I just started STEINS;GATE but it's been pretty hard so far. Is it a bad first VN or am I just bad? Any suggestions?

>>19707151
It’s obviously going to be super technical as it’s sci-fi.

>>19707151
Don't read sci fi or chuuni stuff if you don't have normal real-life conversations down yet.

>>19707181
>I can use over 200 grammar points
Wow look at this expert, I can barely make a sentence that uses 2 grammar points

>>19706809
今このはいくを自分で読んでみたら

コー｜ヒー｜てん｜　｜えい｜えん｜にあ｜り｜　｜あき｜のあ｜め

になった。
"｜"　と　"｜"　のあいだが、全部同じ長さ
（だから、｜てん｜と｜えい｜のあいだの無音のところも同じ長さ）。

なぜそのようなリズムで読んだのかは、自分でもわからない。けれど、多くの日本人はこういうリズムで読むと思う。

Unexpectedly, this seems to be a quite difficult problem on phonology.

>>19706887

>>19707291
Haiku sure is interesting.

If I said haiku (I found a collection of 100 haikus, mostly by Basho in a dusty corner of my uni library) was the first time I ever 'get' poetry, that would sound weaboo as shit, wouldn't it

>>19706887
>>19706901
>>19707301
Someone needs to shop the top line to read
びん(瓶)にしょうべん(小便)することは

>>19707349
It would sound like the education in your school was shit.

>>19707356
The first 'poem' I ever actually consumed was The Raven, when watching old episodes of the Simpsons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLiXjaPqSyY
I never understood poetry in my own language, I guess I'm just not that good at literary matters.

if matt is as good as he's always implying, why are the only things in Japanese a 2 minute self-introduction and a video where he's reading a bunch of text?

I don't doubt that his Japanese is great (not that I'm in a position to judge it anyway) but it seems to me that he's still insecure about it, like his identity is wrapped up in being "better than natives" at Japanese and he doesn't want to been seen slipping up

>>19707469
According to people who've wasted 3 hours of their lives watching his one video, he'd rather spend years locked away in his room receiving input, polishing Japanese that will never be used, than go out and talk to people who could correct his errors swiftly. The rare times he does leave the piss lair, he creeps on exchange students at the local college.

Phew, finished Core6k. Finally I can start learning Japanese.

>>19707591
Not so fast brother, have you even watched 10000 hours of subbed anime yet?

>>19707181
>I can write Japanese but I can't read it

How does that shit work? If you can't read what you've written how do you know that it's correct? I'd be less surprised if he said something like "I can read and write perfectly but I struggle with hearing people speak" because those are very different things but this seems weird.

>>19707469
If you buy a 5 dollar membership on his patreon, you can watch a video where he explains this very issue.

>>19707609
I'll pay up but only if its three hours long.

>Anki

>>19707606
I've been having the opposite problem - people from various sources told me that only reading would stunt my listening/speaking down the line. Now, I'd say I can comfortably read around 1400~ Kanji which were acquired through reading/mining and a small amount of listening, but I'm finding that my listening comprehension is rising in large leaps very quickly, where my reading abilities took a lot longer to develop. The worry was that my vocab/grammar would not transition smoothly to listening, but... not the case at all.

Somehow, I'm actually worried that my listening skill will soon outstrip my reading if I don't stop finding a fuck ton of interesting shit to listen to.

>IGN JAPAN
>たけしの万物創世紀
>いろんなドラマCD
>the news (NHK Radio News, JapaNews24 on Youtube)
>a few Japanese game streamers I enjoy

>>19707651
>a few Japanese game streamers I enjoy
Who?

>>19707634
That elephant knows the toilet is matt's and therefore the water is clean and drinkable.

FACT: If you can't pick up slang through minimal exposure in context then you're not fluent.

>>19707046
Ty the gifs are useful.
Seems everything i need is split up all over the place.
I just need something like pic related for all 214, only for 100 or so.

達成していないデイリーミッションがあります

As a beginner, NHK Easy is great for reading practice (Around N4 level) but where can I read stuff on the same level that includes conversations between people? The N4 will definitely have conversations and stuff, too, and I'd like to practice reading those

>As a beginner
Shoo shoo, go away reddit. Anyway, why the hell would one read NHK Easy for practice when you can read moege?

>>19707887
Because it has word definitions and classifications and is tailored to be i+1 for my level

OH NO NO NO

?

>>19707609
i mean, what could his explanation possibly be

would it not behoove a japanese teacher who claims to speak at a high level to demonstrate that skill so he can get even more patreon shekels?

i guess he just can't fit it into his busy schedule

>>19707609
1. give 5 dollars to watch video
2. video says he's a fake
3. ???
4. loss

>>19707977
1. give 5 dollars to watch video
2. video re-directs to his prank channel
3. ???
4. tricked

A japanese tourist asked if I knew the kanji for rose. I drew it, he laughed at me and said I was gay. What gives?

When Japanese furries talk to each other do they say 〜てやる or 〜てあげる?

>>19707992
てはる

>>19707992
~てにゃげる

>>19708011
~てわんわーげる

>>19707991
I don't know, but it has probably nothing to do with the way you wrote it

>>19707879
It's far and few between in the early stages.

Your best bet is to listen to Benjiro-san's skype convos and take what you can get from here.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW9WfMSFd9thS0gVJYkw65JPOuVZZAZW6

From there, it's hard to say where precisely to go next. You'll be vocab-locked for a while (till around 3000 words or so worth of knowledge) and your grammar will play catch-up with your vocab every now and again, presuming you prioritize vocab (which you should).

Honestly, short of a friend who is willing to work around your lack of vocab knowledge (and willing to help expand your vocab and grammar once you can say everything you need to on some basic level) it's tough. Maybe watching Doraemon or something would be a decent place to go.

Toughest part is understanding that while it sucks now, in some months when that vocab is bedded into your soul and you aren't translating in your head anymore (or as much) it's gonna be pretty cool.

Sorry for the reddit-tier post.

>>19706760
stop giving up and try

>>19707992
> 〜
What's the stroke order for this kanji?

>>19707991
>tfw have no trouble remembering how to write 薇
>always　薔 that causes me trouble

>>19708034
The typical stroke order.

From your soul to the page.

>>19708024
Thanks for the reply anon. I'll keep those skype convos in mind, but the thing is that listening practice isn't that hard to come by.
I was looking for reading comprehension in particular because NHK Easy is text but is news articles which are rather dry whereas I wanted to practice understanding conversations - that's where most of the more complicated grammar is found (I think.)
I read Tae Kim between my anki and wanikani reviews, so you could say I'm not prioritizing grammer(?)

>>19707879
NHK Easy reaches N3 level but is usually around N3 or N4, yeah.

>Conversations
Manga like Yotsubato to be honest.

>>19707887
>beginners don't exist

>>19707905
>i+#
What does this mean, I'm not up to speed with Matt lingo.

>>19708048
>conversations - that's where most of the more complicated grammar is found (I think.)
It's not. There are two types of complicated grammar, and they are found in literary narration and good academic writing (not news articles), respectively.

>>19708061
>i+#
I think it's like, your_level+1, so you understand most of it but some of it is new so you can learn.

>>19706824
"Let's Learn Kanji" is a good book, but you can skip the kanji history stuff if you want and go straight to radicals/stroke order

>>19708070
That's what I thought, thanks.
It makes sense, I agree more with Steve's philosophy of mixing i+1 and i-1 to give yourself breaks between complexity.

>>19708061
>What does this mean, I'm not up to speed with Matt lingo.
Essentially you have to stop imagining Japanese learning as a two-axes graph with the X-axis being time and Y-axis being proficiency, but instead to include the complex plane, the i, which represents how much money you should give to givers of Japanese language learning tips. i+1 means every time you progress in time and proficiency (+1) you should also give money to them (i).

>>19708079
good post

>>19708035
That's because if you can write 微 you can also write 薇

>>19708079
The actual path Japanese learners take is e^i(d/730) where d is the number of days since starting.

>>19708125
e^i(dpi/730)

>>19707606
it's very simple
it's a lighter version of what happens when you have conversations in a closed group of language learners without exposure to natives
you invent a language that you call japanese based on your shitty understanding and forced usage of grammar points
he's getting good at using his made-up language, but he sucks at japanese

>>19708061
>I'm not up to speed with Matt lingo.
the absolute state of djt where we now credit i+1 to an imposter who borrowed from a scam artist who borrowed from someone who actually knows what he is talking about
it's from krashen's input hypothesis and it's heavily misused

Anyone know an e-book reader with a good dictionary, if possible JP->JP? I don't want to go for a kindle.

>>19708189
You want an e-ink reader or just some mobile device to read books?

>>19708213
e-ink reader

>>19708217
I have a Kindle Touch and a Kobo Aura H2O.

The Kobo japanese dictionary is pretty decent, but you have to convert all of your books to kepub to use it. Some times (read: often) converting from AZW3 breaks formatting a little bit. It's definitively the better reader of the two, but I find that the touchscreen is much less precise which makes highlighting for dictionary search a bit annoying. I use it for reading pretty much everything non-Japanese.

The Kindle dictionary is a little worse, but the touchscreen is much better. It's also a worse reader overall, but most books are already in AZW3 so they tend to work without any breakage. I use it exclusively for reading Japanese due the support for AZW3 and the touch screen precision.

Can someone point me to a resource on conjugating adjectives, ie. 悪い　ー＞　悪く?

I don't understand the basis of this conjugation but I don't know what terms I need to look it up either.

>>19708250
Read more.

>>19707651
Those people were right.

https://streamable.com/l6h0h

>>19708250
Every adjective can be turned into an adverb.
for i-adjectives, remove the trailing い and replace it with く
for na-adjectives, just add に

>>19708247
Thanks. I was considering the Kobo one, but that does sound annoying. Still, don't really like kindle, I guess I'll look around a bit more.

https://streamable.com/bwnkf
https://streamable.com/16a8x
https://streamable.com/xv5cb
https://streamable.com/lwi2n
https://streamable.com/yjca3

>>19708315

Can we place a ban for posting streamables or mentioning m*tt?
>>19708324
Maybe a Sony e-reader as they are good at rendering PDF. Pretty expensive though.
Good luck on avoiding the Amazon botnet. Godspeed.

>>19708364
posting streamables should be banned, but posting about based **** in general? no

>>19708364
>posting streamables
no
>mentioning m*tt?

>>19708373
hit wrong keys
>mentioning m*tt?
maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

i'm watching まあ様's new dropping and i'm impressed with his lack of insight
"alright maybe suggesting that people do what i didn't do wasn't such a good idea after all because all of my followers are struggling"
"well what i did do gave me 50% retention and deleted my deck but maybe you should do that instead yeah i think that's the solution to this whole problem"

>>19708379
クソ

hes a child just let the whole thing run its course his end is coming

hell be better for it once it does

How bad is it to miss a day on anki?

>>19708418
I missed 2 months and I'm still doing fine
except I'm not

>>19708418
Really bad. You're permanently fucked now.

>>19708418
either don't miss a day or don't do anki.

How many different words for "to do" are there? It's kind of absurd

>>19708418
I've missed about 3-4 months in anki and I'm much better than I was before.

>>19708186
I put the Krashen memes on the same level as the Steve memes, maybe lower. He's just 1 guy, believing what he says just because he's done some research and written books is a fallacy because there are other people just as qualified as him that say the opposite. I also may be missing something but I don't see any evidence that he's bilingual himself.

>>19708432
t. eop

>>19708418
Your Japanese has been permanently crippled forever.

>>19708418
You'll have to delete the deck and start again

>>19708435
>but I don't see any evidence that he's bilingual himself.
I've never heard him speak but he says he knows German, Mandarin, and Spanish I think. But even if he were monolingual it'd change nothing about him or what he says.

>>19708481
>>19708470
>>19708435
>>19708430
>>19708424
>>19708422
Thanks

>>19708492
don't thank me. i was trolling. missing a day occasionally isn't going to destroy you. you just need to catch up on the reviews.

>>19708435
>there are other people just as qualified as him that say the opposite.
i've never seen any that i found convincing, but i admit i haven't looked very hard
>I don't see any evidence that he's bilingual himself.
what counts as evidence? he claims to speak french, german, hebrew, amharic, yiddish, spanish, and to be attempting to learn mandarin, but i don't believe he's made any claims of his competence
doubt is good, i don't think he's always right, but i doubt some of his ideas a lot less than i doubt some of the other ideas i've read

>>19708499
I know. I got the sarcasm. You don't need to go "lol jk"

I haven't done my core deck in a week and it has like 250 reviews piled up.

>>19708504
He's just kidding man don't take it seriously or you'll permanently cripple your ability to learn Japanese.

>>19708501
he's at least fluent in french, he knows it sell enough to talk about technical topics at length with a good accent (after he gets going)

>>19708504
half the responses were people implying that it's a really bad idea so the clarification was needed. you asked a retarded question so forgive me if i thought you needed it spelled out for you.

>>19708514
>missing a week already when a week is only 250 reviews
not gonna make it, don't sink any more time into this hobby

missing a day of anki wouldnt change much

but quitting it all together improves your odds of learning japanese dramatically

>>19708522
Well from the threads it seems people do their anki reviews (unironically) like a muslim prays so I thought maybe skipping a single day on a deck can screw over the SRS shit or something

>>19708491
>I've never heard him speak but he says he knows German, Mandarin, and Spanish I think.
Big if true.
>But even if he were monolingual it'd change nothing about him or what he says.
It depends entirely on how he arrived at his theory. It seems very armchair to me, lacking any actual experiments. Between him saying that this is how it works and we should trust him because he's a linguist, and people who actually learn languages successfully, I'm more apt to believe the latter.

>>19708501
>but i doubt some of his ideas a lot less than i doubt some of the other ideas i've read
This is the attitude you should take, I'm not saying he's hogwash I'm just saying I put Steve's words above Krashen's and I don't trust Krashen simply because he's an expert. Wolfgang Butzkamm, another man who knows what he's talking about, disagrees with Krashen's theories.

anki a shit

>>19708543
>It depends entirely on how he arrived at his theory. It seems very armchair to me, lacking any actual experiments.
You literally have not spent even fifteen minutes researching the input hypothesis.

Stop posting.

>>19708527
>missing
I'm not 'missing' shit.

>>19708553
>Been around for 50+ years
>Still a hypothesis
Look I can low-effort post too.

the input hypothesis is not only founded in real research, it's literally the ONLY convincing theory of language acquisition that is founded in real research, where said research is actually compelling and not cherrypicked

>>19708561
You don't know what "hypothesis" means.

>>19708564
>In scientific terms; A hypothesis is either a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon, or a reasoned prediction of a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena. In science, a theory is a tested, well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven factors.
50+ years

>>19708562
I lost 20% of my remaining brain cells just by reading that.

>>19708557
that's good, take a clean break and move on to greener pastures
i mean don't get me wrong core is trash regardless, but i took your post at face value and it seems likely that you can't learn japanese

>>19708575
>2018
>quoting a dictionary at people in internet arguments

how are these for input hypotheses

>>19708584
>Argues that someone doesn't know the definition of something
>Tries to greentext their way out of a verbatim definition of it
simply epic

>>19708577
Not a huge loss.

>>19708591
You have the understanding of logic of a teenager.

what's the difference between くれる and 上げる as far as their usage for the English infinitive "to give"?

matt posting is better than krashen posting desu

Is there a language-agnostic thing for learning Japanese? As in it only has audio and pictures, and isn't based on translations from another language (English)?

All the stuff in the OP seems to be based on learning Japanese with English as the point of reference.

>>19708599
くれる is someone else giving you something, あげる is you giving someone else something.
It's more complex than that but this is the only explanation you need right now.

>>19708599
can you use them both in a sentence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELk1dqaEmyk

>>19708599
わたしに話しかけないでくれる

Why are you guys so focused on how to learn, instead of just learning? It's really not as difficult as you guys make it out to be, just read and write down shit you don't know.

>>19708629
Fuck you

>>19708629
But if I don't know it, how do I know what to read and write?

>>19708629
If someone has done something in a different way than us, we have to prove that it was them who wasted x months and not us. Think about it, how much would it suck if you spent 4 months learning kanji then someone else came along and skipped it and was completely fine? Fuck that, m-muh ego.

>>19708629
i don't believe you

キミにいいこと教えてあげる

わたしはゲイ

>>19708640
how many hours have you spent arguing and/or shitposting on djt
if i haven't got you beat there i'm going to feel really bad

>>19708609
Reading.

>>19708629
that's just a few loud people

>Successful learners capitalise on the vast amount of both linguistic skills and world knowledge they have already accumulated via the mother tongue. For the most part, they need not reconceptualise their world in the new language. The path breaking power of L1 grammar is not dependent on the fact that both languages share similar grammatical features. It is because all languages have evolved means of expressing abstract ideas such as possession, number, agent, instrument, negation, cause, condition, obligation etc., no matter how they do this, that one natural language is enough to open the door for the grammars of other languages. In a deep sense, we only learn language once.

>That is why, according to Butzkamm, the monolingual orthodoxy, with or without small concessions, cannot be supported in any respect. The target-language-only credo must be overturned and foreign language teaching methodology stood on its feet again.

Matt BTFO

I thought you guys might like this.
https://twitter.com/dual_subtitle/status/1029218811407294464

>>19708652
>>19708638

>>19708640
or in my case i get to marvel each and every day at how the internet has permanently crippled the generations following my own and try to work with them to get their minds right in vain because they are permanently crippled but i still dont wanna give up

>>19708640
Well now that someone vetted (mat*) has told me that RTK isn't necessary, I don't argue with people about it here any more. And I'm not upset about having delayed by learning by 3 months because I don't think you guys are learning fast anyway. Plus most of you skimp out on listening practice.

>>19708665
can you coach me on being functional in other parts of life as well

>>19708656
That's actually amazing for stuff like Terrace House.
Thanks anon!

>>19708674
can you believe in a year there will be four generations of mattdrones all arguing amongst each other
"no matt said lazy kanji is bad prior to 2018"
"no matt said lazy kanji is good in late 2018"
"no matt said lazy kanji is bad again in 2019"
i can't wait for /dmt/ in full force

hey guys wots teh new meta in the matt btfo patch lmao

>>19708680
im a simple man and theres a lot of specific things i cant help you with but ill tell you how a man with gray hair on his scraggly balls would deal with things in a broad sense

>>19708701
Changing your opinion in the face of evidence (results from his discord followers) is not bad. It's dishonest for you to frame it that way.

>>19708656
>it costs money
what

>>19708684
Reminder that you can get way more Japanese shows on netflix by using a VPN.

>>19708731
Does using a VPN risk getting your account permanently banned or do they just block you from signing in/watching shows on the VPN if they detect it?

who lives in japan?

>>19708706
i made no indication that admitting fault is wrong, i just stated the fact that his cultists are going to have wars
he's growing as an young adult and i'm proud of him even though he's still got a long ways to go

>>19708743
based

>>19708740
I used to.

>>19708750
whats it like? pleaseshare

>>19708740
Me, I even go outside unlike Matt.
>>19708757
Rural areas are very friendly, to both me and each other. I can't say much about Urban areas though.

>>19708760
how do you deal with all the insects and shit in the rural areas? shit like the large hornets and centipedes freak me the fuck out

>>19708768
lol japans bugs aint got shit on australias mate

>>19708760
any more deets? did living in japan change you?

>>19708760
I was in a rural area, like the other guy. Super friendly people. Regularly had high school kids come and chat with me, presumably because I was one of less than 2 dozen non-Japanese people in the city.

>>19708768
I had 1 house centipede show up on my wall. Caught it in a mirror and pooped everywhere. Besides that, they were mostly just occasionally chilling on stair guard rails and stuff. Except the spiders, they were fucking everywhere. Only tip for that I guess, would be to be Australian, like me.

Tokyo is shit. Osaka is pretty okay.

>>19708652
Reading what? Can I import Japanese picture books for toddlers?

the only spiders you have to worry about are black widows and australian spiders
almost all other spiders are bros, not pricks (ha ha get it)
unless you're allergic to spider bits, but that's another story entirely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUV3eq1tqlI#t=15

>>19708768
I've only seen a few of the large hornets and they've never bothered me. They're honestly after pollen and bees and won't fuck with you unless they think you're fucking with them (or you're even remotely close to their nest). You'll hear them long before you see them though so if you hear something that sounds like a motorcycle but is coming from bushes, fuck off fast. One sting and you're in the hospital, two stings and you're in the morgue. Especially in the Fall you need to respect their space, they get angsty once the flowers die and they have no food.
I've only ever had small fruit flies and shit in my apartment, luckily.

>>19708774
>Any more deets?
Not off the top of my head, if you had anything specific I could say something.
>Did living in Japan change you?
It's made me more willing to go with other people's flow since I don't have the Japanese to say no yet.

>>19708785
I have the same happen to me but mostly middle school kids. Actually tonight some weird middle aged guy followed me into a convenience store and started trying to show me selfies with flowers which was kinda weird.

>>19708804
Hunter spiders will fuck you up like something from an Alien movie. And by that I mean you'll freak out, jump back, fall down the stairs, and die.

>>19708837
>mostly middle school kids
Oh right. That's what I meant, but we don't really make the distinction between middle and high school kids in Australia, so I keep forgetting that they do that in other places.

>started trying to show me selfies with flowers which was kinda weird.
Nice. I remember this one time, a strange, fat lady tried to pick me up from a station, even though she didn't speak any English, and I spoke almost zero Japanese at the time. Yours was probably more pleasant an experience though.

>>19708867
>Yours was probably more pleasant an experience though.

>Guy coming out of convenience store at 9pm
>Sees me going in
>Turns around and follows me in
>Follows me through some aisles
>Realizes I'm window shopping and waits outside
>Intercepts me on my way out and forces his selfies on me
Y-Yeah, very pleasant.

Basically if you go to Japan, people are friendly (not just because you're gaijin), but some of them (not all) have this "GAIJIN, GOTTA CATCH'EM ALL!" attitude. Expect to take pictures with random strangers while they ask you to pretend like you're friends in the photo for their kids to see later. Fucking weird, man.

Was told it means "doing my best". Is the translation good or was I scammed like a filthy gaijin /jp/?

im married with a kid in japan

ama

>>19708889
Different anon here - when I was in Japan a couple of uggmugs in Niigata JR Station tried to pick me up using some translation app. Said "I'm in a hurry" into their phone and skidaddled.
Some people can be very pushy when you're a gaijin.

>>19708889
I somehow missed the "followed me in" part and was imagining you just bumping into a guy and him being really excited to show you pictures of flowers. Which is much more wholesome, and much less terrifying than your story.

>>19708915
Is your wife dating anyone?

>>19708925
no, shes married lol

>>19708925
also, 60% of Japanese women above 30y/o are single so have at em

>>19708934
Rad. Secondary question, can I borrow some condoms?

>>19708915
They let you marry kids in Japan? Truly a miraculous land.

>>19708959
age of consent is 13 here

i mean in japan kids commonly prank each other by sticking their pair of index fingers up each others butts

>>19708915
>>19708959
yooo danngg

>>19708915
Did you name your kid Reimu?

>>19708925
It wasn't really scary, it was just super awkward.

>>19708968
>i mean in japan kids commonly prank each other by sticking their pair of index fingers up each others butts
This is true, it's what Kakashi's 1000 years of pain thing is from. Protect your rectum, ye who enter.

>>19708247
Is there a way to make word lookup on the Kobo easier? I ask beause I've also got the Aura H2O (v2). Downside is that for compound words you need to select all kanji in the word, so you have to highlight a kanji and then grab the selection dots to select the whole word, which can take several seconds and makes it a lot more tedious. And for conjugated verbs it doesn't register at all (but you can of course just select the kanji and look for the verb form).

Who here /learning 6k words before even starting to read/?

I'm at 3300 now.

>>19708968
ive had kids do that. its not funny irl

>>19708987
>Getting surprise ass-raped by a childs finger isn't fun irl
Different strokes I guess

>>19708984
you should start reading sooner than later. youll learn words faster that way anyway.

lmao epic day if its the reimu guy

also oh yea if youre out in the land of epic midori you really do need to be on guard at all times until you establish your place among the locals

>>19708995
If it's a girl then maybe

>>19708980
None that I know of, I have the same problem as well. Which is why I read on my Kindle since there it just works™.

>>19708995
>>19709010
eat shit sickos

>>19709001
> lmao epic day if its the reimu guy
Someone did that?

>>19708980
I'm using japanese.io to read novels right now. The dictionary is much better with compound words and such, and since I have to look up so many words it's easier

I don't think ereaders are efficient as a beginner or lower intermediate

>>19709016
Oh lighten up, it was obviously a joke.

first thing you should do once you move to japan and setup your gaijin bike gang and secure you territory from the HS kids. find out who the head of the local yakuza is and offer his parents free english lessons. from there you can slowly posion him via his tea with show lily leaves

>>19709031
naming your kid reimu is not a good joke why did you do it

>>19709037
i'd avoid the yakuza at all costs after reading that story of those underlings torturing that girl

>>19709037
dude you dont wanna fuck with shinobi tuhsaka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG0kSuYfDWA#t=427

>>19709037
then, once he is weakened, you can challenge him to a judo fight in front of his gang. once defeated they will obviously follow the new alpha (gaijinなのに)

>>19708987
>ive had kids do that. its not funny irl
It's pretty funny. It sounds like they get you every time, git gud.

>>19709001
So pretty much if you're not Matt and you actually go outside.

>>19709037
The real meta is to abuse your position as a teacher (let's be real, it's the only way you're getting into the country) and join all the combat-based clubs (judo, kendo, etc). Grow slowly in power until you can take out the principal then take over the school.

>>19709046
Yeah at least name her Cirno or something

>>19709072
epic win if you name your baby cirno and teach her math and make her the 最強est mather in the prefecture

>>19709058
name your gang something cool like 外グミ then recruit your new gangs GFs to start prostituting. once you have some capital, hire fresh mucule and strong arm the nearest korean owed pachinko into a (protection service) relationship

DJT meetup in Japan.

>>19709102
from there you will be selling bars of soap and shit like a cray mother fucker. your capital will grow expontially. the more powerful yakuza will notice and 'get involved'. take them out with your big gaijin guys and move on to hiring pro prostitues

>>19709117
That second dude from the extreme left looks like a おじいさん

>>19709117
more like

>>19709124
then the next step is simple. plant your girls around the red light district. take out any korean or chinese who try to step on your business. your net will eventually fish up some politians. blackmail them until you have 安倍様 under your thumb

then: ???
then: rule japan (easy)

>>19708984
I was the same as you before quitting.

>>19709158
>jamal in middle last row

>>19708739
They won't ban you and lose a paying customer in the process.
The did apparently ban some VPNs so google around which ones are good to use. I'd get a paid one, they mostly cost just a few bucks a month and are useful for other things too (like browsing 5ch).

>>19708609
The only thing I've ever seen like that is rosetta stone, where they show you pictures of concepts and attach it to text, but even those are made to have an English perspective. I assume you're trying to come at it from a different native language than English?

>>19708610
I see. I guess I will use that for now. Thank you.

>>19708611
No, not really, sorry.

>>19709168
me with the stache

>>19709181
>I assume you're trying to come at it from a different native language than English?
No, it just feels "dirty" or "fake" like my use of the language will always depend on something else and not stand on its own. I'm an EOP

>>19709195
me on the front left

>>19709102
more like ゲイぐみ

we specialize in ちんぽ殺し

>>19709211
You're supposed to go full monolingual after you reach a certain level.

>>19709220
what level is that because i'm pretty sure learning a language is an elaborate conspiracy and no one has gotten to that level before

>>19709225
As soon as you can.

you go monolingual when you can ride the bike on two weeks on your own

>>19708609
stop worrying. you'll start to think in japanese eventually if you just keep learning it.

>>19709220
That "certain level" is basically fluent. Anything less than that and you're honestly wasting your time *unless* the English explanations are lacking. Your mother tongue is to be used as a tool, denying to use it is just making you spend more time in grammar books and dictionaries than you have to.

>>19709167
>quitting after sinking 1000 hours into learning jap

not an option buddy

sometimes you gotta learn to cut your losses

its a big part of growing up

>>19709241
>denying to use it is just making you spend more time in grammar books and dictionaries than you have to.
not a problem if you don't use grammar explanations or vocab definitions, check the reading of the word and move forward

>>19709241
http://www.fremdsprachendidaktik.rwth-aachen.de/Ww/programmatisches/pachl.html

More reading on this subject.

>>19709254
If you can extract meaning with just the reading then I agree that's the best course of action.

>>19709243
How are you 1000 hours in at only 3300 words?

>>19709254
you mena i dont have to make up a stupid english story or learn every single reading or even understand the word in the first place?? i cna just read it and move on?????

what kind of pseudo \djt\ are we living in right now

why is butzposting picking up

there is no benefit to forcing oneself to go monolingual early

you don't learn the nuances of words through dictionary definitions

it helps you think in the language

I'm almost there BABY!!! Can someone reccomend me a LN to get all my everyday vocabs from. The long awaited day is coming upon me.

>>19709320
matt says rtk is pointless

>>19709331
who says i'm following matt? Last I heard Matt didn't write RTK

>>19709340
ok i'm just saying there's an optimal way to learn and matt knows what he's talking about here

>>19709320
>wants to read before even knowing grammar
Just read NHK

>うん
>ううん
I wonder what could go wrong...

>>19709316
you know what helps you more? actually reading instead of wasting your time creating anki decks for dictionary jargon, matt

>>19709346
see uh huh and uh uh

>>19709344
Why were his arguments against RTK? Don't want to watch the videos

>>19709356
you don't have to make anki decks if you don't want though making cards for single words from a dictionary would be really fast and easy. you can just start looking up words in a japanese dictionary and taking note of some of the words you find in it.

>>19709367
it mostly stemmed from him being a retarded pale pasty child who puts manga in the microwave and then puts it on his walls

>>19709364
> uh uh
Nobody says that

>>19709367
don't worry he didn't watch either, not that i'm defending matt

>>19709381
people usually put a dash in it when typing it but yes they do
maybe there are regions that don't

>>19709381
Yes they do.

>>19709381
oh is that so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8C92AVB6wg

>>19709345
Is going through Tae Kim not enough? I can look up grammer points and vocab as I go along albeit very tediously. I'd rather put a bullet in my brain then read boring news stories.

>>19709356
This.
>a) Monolingual dictionaries (intentionally take longer in dictionaries than you have to)
>b) Read a lot, translate literally (or hyper-literally if you can) until you start thinking in the language
B is better.

>>19709405
>translate
you don't know japanese

>>19709367
well you see he's not against rtk, just doing rtk keyword to kanji before you're fluent. because without knowing actual japanese words, your retention for rtk's kanji will drop in the long term. you might as well wait to do rtk until after you're fluent. he recommends you do rtk kanji to keyword as a beginner, and do it quickly.

>>19709367
his patrons are brainlets and keep forgetting mature Kanji cards.

this somehow proves that doing RTK at the start doesn't work, even though a lot of people don't have that problem at all

>>19709410
use capitalization if you're going to post like that, you're not one of us

>>19709416
leave me alone

>>19709393
>>19709394
Alright, if you Americans say so.
But still, uh huh has a 'ha' sound to differentiate it from uh uh.

>>19709410
lol he realized everyone he sent to do RTK gave up early so he keeps making it easier.

well if you do rtk at the start and become dependent on flashcards forever i guess i can see how people would keep remembering them as long as they keep doing lots of flashcards

problem is can they really keep that up and still spend enough time with nihongo???

i dont know and i wouldnt suggest anyone fuck around with that shit because it sounds really unfun which fun should be 最優先事項だってばよ : )

>>19709408
That's exactly how it works m8
t. learned English to fluency by shitposting in 4chan

>>19709408
You can't think in a language you don't know yet, you have to ease your way into it. The best way to do that is to translate the language as close to hyper-literally as you can and you will eventually find that you stop translating it in your head. Translating it literally is also ok, but translating it liberally is going to take much longer. I don't really care what you think since you pull this same thing every time but pretty much anyone who bothers reading this will see the difference between the amount of thought I put into my replies versus the amount you put in and they will easily see who is right.

>>19709433
yeah and the pitch curve is different too
turns out there are differences in the pronunciation of うん and ううん as well

>>19709436
He realized that there was an entire market for people who would never accept rtk.

>>19709436
no there were a lot of people finishing both 1 and 3 in his discord but their mature retention started dropping.

>>19709443
no dude its *flaps retard arm* urrghgh and ururughghghh literally indistinguishable *shits pants*

>>19709449
This made me laugh out loud.

>>19709441
>you will eventually find that you stop translating it in your head.
you did, i did, there are examples of people who didn't, be careful what you tell people to do because they will likely misunderstand
>you pull this same thing every time
i'm not djt i just post here sometimes

>>19709445
he should rename mia to cyoa
as long as you pay up it's all good brother

>>19709458
>>19709477
if you wanna play the djt cyoa google a game called dont shit your pants and play that and see how you do

I spaced this over the span of 90 days, how hard is this gonna bite me in this ass later

>>19709489
did it get any better in the last 9 years

>>19709509

>>19709510
looks like the answer is no

>>19709464
>there are examples of people who didn't
This is a non-issue and doesn't directly counter anything I've said, they just haven't gotten to that point yet. >>19709439 said it nice and short, that's exactly how it works. The more you keep the language intact (translating hyper-literally), the faster you will be able to ditch translating all together. The reason for this is that you're keeping the translation as close to the original script as possible, changing grammar very little if at all. It gets you use to how the language literally works instead of trying to force it into your language's sentence patterns.

http://learnanylanguage.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperliteral_translations
This site says it best, I think:
>It is also clear that hyperliteral translations only should be used in the early stages of learning a new language. They are much better than ordinary translations to convey the structure of the phrases in the original language, but as soon as you can understand the general meaning of spoken and written texts in language A the best strategy would normally be not to make or use translations at all, except when you look up unknown words or idiomatic phrases in dictionaries and other sources.

You have no argument, mate.

>>19709523
youre just too low iq to understand that shitting your pants will sitting on the fuckin toilet is the greatest example of shakespearean tragedy that even romeo could learn a thing or two from

>>19709447
RTK should only be a stepping stone into reading and not something your supposed to keep doing forever. Book 3 is whats killing these peoples retention. The only solution is stop playing in the kiddie pool and start the fun process of reading.

>>19709531
there are people who will never get to that point because they use translation as a crutch because they didn't understand what you meant
i don't have an argument because i don't disagree with your actual advice
i've stated the problem with your original post and that's all there is to it

>>19709544
do you think romeo got his name from shakespeare by the way

>>19709568
Well sorry for believing you were disagreeing with my post, your initial response was a very vague and low-effort "you don't know japanese" so I hope you find it in your heart to accept that it was a sincere mistake on my part.
As for misunderstanding my post, anyone who has the attention span to google "hyper-literal translation" will understand, hopefully.

>>19709574
no he got it after watching the y2k smash hit blockbuster jet li film "romeo must die"

rip aaliyah

me when i come to djt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on-aJYKDiWw

>>19709588
people do that a lot here for some reason, being intentionally kinda vague, forcing you to read into what they're really saying, and then when you guess wrong they say "i'm not saying that". probably a defense mechanism because they're afraid of looking dumb, but they could make things easier if they just invested some effort

>>19709588
yeah sometimes i shitpost when i shouldn't shitpost but we all make mistakes
you should never overestimate people as a whole, it's good to be optimistic but there will always be some idiot
maybe they deserve it, but that's another topic

>>19709591
same thing
romeo romeo where art thou homie bro

嗚呼ロミオ様
どうしてあなたはロミオ様なの

>>19709609
personally i'd say it's a defense mechanism in terms of effort
if you put in effort and get a shitpost in response you feel slightly peeved
if you open up with a shitpost and get effort in response then maybe it's worth having a discussion
i recognize that there are flaws but i'm not saying it's rational

i like to encourage thinking for ones self and coming off as a smug prick while i do it

>>19709640
Nice summary of jamal's life.

honestly if someone comes off like a smug prick but you realize that they're actually right it's much more impactful than if they nicely teach you something
it makes you really question a lot more about your beliefs
best to always be a smug prick just in case it works out that way for someone
that was a joke but there is some truth to it

i dont care about the posts i get in response its the people who read them and dont respond and just go make changes for themselves that make me happy

the conversation is rarely interesting enough to find joy in that itself

>>19709700
its almost like i try to carve a memory into them with a truly rude and nasty and frankly putrid post to reinforce whatever thing they need to remember

Imagine being so delusional you think that your forgettable posts cause people epiphanies.

you cant fade me ┐(‘～` )┌

Anyone here ever try natto? What's it taste like?

literally tastes like old people fart and smells like it too

much like my posting

today is the day

>>19709750
i'm just spreading what's helped me in the past

>>19709822
you go get 'em
you'll make it as long as you leave this thread and never come back
make sure to not look for a substitute either
it's for your own good

>>19709822
what day

>>19709822
One punch man is trash. Stop posting.

>>19709826
What a coincidence
I too, am spreading what's helped you in the past
Your mom

>>19709833
fuckin this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>19709834
your mom goes to college

>>19709834
i thought you were going to say jelly
jelly helped me more

>>19709840
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck off.

玄関は家の入口だけどいえの後ろが何ですか

>>19709850
??

>>19709859
youre not ready for that dude go do some laps

>>19709631
どうなのを読む分かりません

this is apparent

>>19709859
玄関は靴を脱ぐ日本の家のところだと思った

家のうしろは家の尻

would it be a waste of time to supplement daily sentence cards with a little lazy kanji (adding 4 a day)? you would grade it like khatz says which is write it out and think of a vague meaning or word that uses it. kklc gives multiple keywords and vocabulary which would make it an easy task to make the cards

>>19709884
と思う

>>19709892
Can't be a worse waste of time than sentence cards anyways, so go for it I guess

where's steve's "I love dick" clip

i made it on another device with no account so idk how to find it again

but we can always go back and get aids together with this one >>19708301

>>19707050
>>19707089
Here's one of their member's (Yuha) other channels where they teach Japanese in Korean:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_waGdcNiCWTv1GG9OvE23A

And here's her instagram where everything is in gook runes, including her name:
https://www.instagram.com/yuhadayo/

>>19709892
By my estimates, through pure vocab mining while listening/reading, I average out to around 3 new Kanji a day at this point. Was a lot more before I hit the 1000 or so mark, but now it really takes going out of my way to find new ones.

The plus side of it, at this point it's really easy to absorb new words/kanji, due to pure exposure.

https://streamable.com/h3g6y

he sure is

Does anyone have a ないす kanji wallpaper?

>>19710060
Foreign words are written in Katakana
ないす
ナイス○

>>19710077
i have 2 friends that say thats not true >>19708587

>>19709402
>>Is going through Tae Kim not enough?
Nothing is enough to prepare you for reading; you can go through whatever grammar resource you like but you will suck hard when you first start. Try not to be discouraged and know that it gets better before long (especially if you invest a lot of time each day reading).

>>19710077
アイ　フォルごっつ!
ごめん。

>>19710077
t. mt. Stupid hermit

>>19710077
>Foreign words are written in Katakana
Not always. There's even an example ITT: >>19708587

god i love that majestic and surreal bosom

now for a change of pace heres an example where normal japanese words would all be written in katakana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHkYO9lWO8#t=383

>>19710182
I knew the reading of the kanji in the thumbnail despite never seeing it before
So this is the power of 10000 hours of anime

>>19710205
yesssss

though to be fair he does a really good job roleplaying as an anime character

>>19710182
It sounds like he is talking over everyone. Other people try to talk, but he just keeps repeating the same word over and over again until they shut up, then he continues.

>>19710258
later on in a different convo dude fuckin hits him with the davido special and matt totally misunderstands it lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHkYO9lWO8#t=705

>>19710205
how many hours you at cause i can read the word but i forget the meaning because i don't know japanese

Is jamal matt's biggest fan?

>>19710261
>apparently hiding his recording device
doesn't his state require consent of both parties

u guys bring him up not me

>deeply analyzes and cuts matt's 6 gorillion hours long videos
>posts 10s of clips
>stop bringing him up guys lmao

i only saw that vid cuz 1 of you knuckle heads posted it tho??

>>19710286

>le audio and video recording consent meme
This only applies if you are trying to use it in a court case as evidence, other than that anyone is free to record you for personal use in public. Quit believing everything you hear about in Law & Order: SVU.

>>19710311
patreon isn't personal use

>>19710315
post your age or just tick this box

[ ] trolling

Does anyone here know how to extract the script for ISLAND?
The tools for Grisaia (exkifint) don't seem to work

>>19710319
what are you trying to say
i admit i'm not familiar with laws on recording but i think it's easy to argue that it's commercial

>>19710329
better go after every music vid shot on an iphone in public posted to worldstar too

>>19710329
Here in America was have freedom of press, how else would public and private figures be represented in the news by independent sources? Anybody can record and make a documentary about anybody, same for private investigators. The moment you present yourself in public there is an implied consent that you may be recorded by private individuals or your government.

>>19710347
matt is probably bigger than that website to be fair
>>19710363
that sounds right
i'm american but like most americans i don't know my rights, you should be familiar with this

The digital era was a mistake.

smartphones and broadband internet ruined EVERYTHING

people dont even store thoughts locally anymore they just let the cloud feed them to their brain

>>19710106
I'm scared but if I can do 3 months of rtk I can do fucking anything. I'll begin when I finish the last 200 kanji.

>>19710387
i can't adjust to this non-desktop world, my phone is essentially for nothing but google and being a phone, i was born a bit too early for this shit
don't worry though the internet still tells me what to think

>>19710387
Yeah.

yeah!!!

>>19706776
if it's going well for you it's not a waste of time
matt changed his opinion because his followers are too stupid for rtk, make sure you keep visualizing the stories and it'll stick
though, it's probably enough to do RTK1 for now

>>19710400
>if I can do 3 months of rtk I can do fucking anything

>>19710327
After trying some more I've got files with sensible filenames but the content is still nonsense other than the "CatScene" at the start of every file.
Is this some weird encoding, or a binary format I'll have to convert with yet another tool?

dictionary words you need to know to make the monolingual transition:
ことがら
できごと

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejRkuX1RGf4
Hey guys, just found out about this whole "AJATT" thing. Is it for real? This guy seems fluent in Japanese.

>>19710387
The only think people ruin this way is themselves. Same with social networks. It's so easy to stay ahead of the pack these days, just don't do the most stupid shit.

>>19710499
Not really. Khatz and Matt are OK but nowhere near good enough to learn from. There's at least 2 or 3 regular posters in this thread who can speak much better than Khatz or Matt off the cuff.

I've asked for proof of their ability several times but they probably just haven't gotten around to uploading it, but I trust them.

>>19710488
if the tools you have and can find don't work then you're going to need to do some scripting and debugging and find out what the difference is from what the tools expect

>>19710489
i was actually just working on that

>>19710515
absolutely its not the thing itself but it works like a bug zapper and no matter what the paradigm shift natural selection will still take its course

mother nature is incredible

>>19710489
そのさま

>>19710261
They have Target in Japan?

>>19710521
idk i dont think khatz makes a product worth buying but if you could work with him one on one i think he would be of much benefit to a learner

>>19710489
I don't get it, why?

>>19710540
i thought being tech-competent would ensure my future but it turns out my addiction to wasting time on the internet is stronger than my probably-at-least-average iq
mother nature should have raised me better

>>19710551
because it's better to look up and learn definitions in Japanese than in English if you eventually want to be able to switch your brain to Japanese

>>19710550
All of his good advice is free but you can get that advice from advanced learners here. There's just too many people in these threads who are better than Khatz for him to be worth your time.

>>19710571
i think he's asking why those words

>>19710560
Being tech-competent makes you too smart and then become skeptic of everything.

>>19710560
mother nature is not an equal opportunity employer

survival of the fittest mother fuckaz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHjyFiRlW4U#t=216

>>19710572
general advice doesnt clear up specific misunderstandings that will likely go unabated until you get help from an adult

>>19710575
i certainly don't want to have the displeasure of using or working with any software or libraries that exist, i know that much
i think if i was smart i would get care more about getting rich and having an easy life than my own displeasure however

>>19710573
>>19710551
in that case, because they appear in dictionary entries quite often

>>19710521
How do you prove your ability to someone of a lower caliber? How does that even work? All you have to do is up that person, but that doesn't justify much. They could be the same level and lucky.

>>19710572
his good advice is also in the middle of a sea of shit which doesn't help
oh i guess the good advice here is too

>>19710597
obviously the more convincing you sound and the more incomprehensible input that sounds convincing you throw at them the more they will be wowed by how incomprehensible it is

>>19710597
Ask a native what they think of that person's ability. Prime the question such that the Japanese person is more likely to be honest than to bullshit. i.e. "This guy considers himself somewhat of an expert is teaches people Japanese. What do you think of his skill?"

>>19710499
Problem with AJATT and people related to it (e.g. MattVsJapan, who admits this in his latest video) is that they sometimes tell you to do things that they themselves never did just because it seems like a good idea to them.

For instance, Khatz says on the AJATT site not to read a grammar guide even though he read and mined sentences from several. Matt was going around telling people they should do RTK before anything else even though he didn't do that, and has now changed his mind about it after negative feedback from people who actually followed his advice. etc.

Sooner than do the AJATT/MIA/whatever method, you're better off looking at what the people behind those methods actually did themselves and copying it. The only guaranteed way to get the same results that they did is to copy exactly what they did to get where they are.

>>19710612
problem is youre still asking a layman about shit hes still not versed with

now if you asked shoko hamano sensei that question then youd be getting somewhere

>>19710531
I found the right tool

so for anyone who also want to do this:
Extract the .int-files with this (the v3-version):
http://asmodean.reverse.net/pages/exkifint.html
Then open the extracted.cst-files with this:
https://github.com/marcussacana/CatSceneEditor/releases

>>19710622
by the way heres my mental picture of what her response would be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N41IK-erF9Q

>>19710620
Just look for what all people who have gotten good have in common. Generally it's that they read a lot, listen a lot. Maybe with some basic grammar referencing chucked in.

>>19710609
本当に一切反动派都是纸老虎だよねぇ

>>19710620
>The only guaranteed way to get the same results that they did is to copy exactly what they did to get where they are.
i think matt said exactly this at some point before turning around and recommending something that he didn't do
also i think telling people to do something you didn't do is fine if you're honest and don't make any claims about the actual viability and efficiency when you clearly can't know

>>19710633
High, drunk or escapee from the local insane asylum?

shes just sick of the bullshit and shes goin to beat that ass

i'm proud of him for realizing that any study at all affects the results of future study methods, however, his suggestion now being to do exactly what he did in spite of how much he seems to hate what he did is amusing. it's understandable though, he makes money by having a method, better tell people to do something even if it's shit.

>>19710722
He literally makes money off of people who can't do it. That's the entire business model. You don't want people to succeed so you can keep rolling in cash.

>>19710706
Did you live in some sort of a gated community your entire life? This is a daily sight in any major city.

>>19710735
>tfw never lived in a major city
Must be nice being rich.

>>19710739
Rich people live in the countryside. The tools live like rats in the city.

i'm going to make the monolingual transition, wish me luck /djt/