/jp/ - Otaku Culture

you fucked up james i was going to make a real subversive op that railed on the ジット達

次スレよろしく

by the way only my mama calls me james

the names ll

So uh, is /djt/ an actual credible place to learn from and has helped those who have gone far in their studies to be near native-level fluency whether for academics, work, or as a hobby Briefly followed the last thread and it devolved into people becoming more concerned about arguing/shitting on others' methods of study and YouTubers.

Was going to ask for advice on how to continue with self-study after two semesters of uni electives to knock out art credit requisites. Which was essentially completing Genki I at a snail's pace. If /djt/ is any indicator then all I've done so far is worth shit? Is there still merit in learning to write kanji or is it just taking away precious time that could be spent learning other things? I'd like to be able to at least fill out paperwork or whatever if need be if the opportunity to visit or work in Japan ever comes up.

>>19450356
no to first question (but it could be yes.. 嗚呼いつか・・)

second question just do what you wanna do and hang out with the japanese you like and hang out with it a lot

you can learn to write and spend a lot of time learning nihongo its just all up to you and actually the doing of the learning of the nihongo

>>19450356

>>19450356
>is /djt/ an actual credible place to learn from and has helped those who have gone far in their studies to be near native-level fluency whether for academics, work, or as a hobby
No, and I'm not just saying that ironically. No one proves their alleged skill.

>>19450356
basically after a particular youtuber made his patreon debut this has become a thread primarily for beginners to argue about beginner methods, thanks in part to a large influx of people who have not started learning japanese but just watched a youtube video on how to do it
for context you may have missed on that particular episode, no one gives a fuck what you do as long as you don't tell beginners that it's optimal
the answer to your question depends on what your primary goals are, but either way the center of it is read more, read at least 1-2 hours a day of lns or vns that are somewhat challenging for you using a vocab dictionary and occasionally a grammar dictionary as reference
don't get stuck on a sentence, move on and focus on the sentences you can figure out

>>19450456
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

I know all the hiragana but I don't know any katakana.

>>19450560
this can be solved by learning kanji

>>19450560
Thank you for this oh so precious information.

I know all the kanji but I don't know any Japanese.

>>19450596
this can be solved by learning nihongo

>>19450550
You sound like a girl

btw i found a girl that absolutely wipes the floor with matt and britt but not brett or dogen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBiTHJy_6C4

>>19450605
thanks

>>19450607
Is she a Zainichi or what?

>>19450605
He's definitely that one lowercase autist who keeps posting shit youtube videos no one cares about and being a dumb motherfucker for hours on end. My guess was that he's severely underaged, and this recording seems to prove it.

>>19450638
im twice your age prolly i just have the same disease andy milonakis does

>>19450560
you are ready start arguing about beginner learning methods
in fact it is possible that you have learned too much

if anyone tries to legit argue while im here im gonna fuck them up so dont even try uppercasers

>>19450631
i have no idea what she does i just picked a random video about learning japanese off of yt and frankly she had me at konnituwa

>>19450638
everyone knows that, also did you know that through the miracles of modern technology you can digitally alter your voice
>>19450664
based james, please don't leave us ever again

>>19450650
You're a fat retard?

>>19450676
yes but only slightly less fat and slightly less retarded than you

>>19450674
actually its not digital im using analog equipment lol

I've noticed that on average females tend to reach an overall higher level of proficiency in foreign languages largely due to their social nature which presents them with more opportunities to utilize their target language as well as the ability to appreciate said opportunities completely unrestricted by fear of embarrassment since they can play off their mistakes by using their cuteness to garner sympathy and ward off true criticism.

Thus, I'll cut off my dick and become ペラペラ

you wont become cute by decapping your peep

youll just become even more hideous and then likely suicide (statistically though i wish it werent so) by around age 30

if think the real reason women might do better with language is because by default most women are a bit more social whether by their own volition or not and that makes for a better time with language

>>19450695
if you think you need to be cute to overcome fear of embarrassment you're not gonna make it
nonetheless you're welcome to try

>>19450695
>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/
>>>/v/

>>19450686
i'd love to see my spiritual father's shitposting setup

Do you guys value listening practice at all in the beginning? How did you start to incorporate it into your routine? How much do you listen per day?

>>19450728
10000 hours of anime subbed in your native language before even trying to do anything else or your gay

>>19450728
I don't read, I just watch tv shows.

>>19450728

I watch that 24/7 Japanese news stream once a day. Good way to practice listening and reading at the very beginning.

>>19450728
VNs have voice acting, does that count?

>>19450728
in my opinion, listening is less efficient for progressing your general comprehension than reading is, and so you should not rush into listening to media that you wouldn't be able to keep up with if you were reading captions. when you're at the point where something basic that you can get a lot of like anime fits that criteria, 1-2 hours a day is good, you can do more if you really want to focus on listening.
a possible exception is if for some reason you've heard very little japanese in your life and don't even have a rudimentary mental model of what it should sound like.

How would you translate Reimu banter with Cirno into English without losing the hyouteki/kyouteki pun?

>>19450867
This. When I have a kid I'll make that little fucker read at least 4 hours a day.

>>19450895
if this is a joke i didn't say listening wouldn't work, i said it's less efficient, considering the knowledge you already have as an adult and the styles of approaches used in djt.

>>19450895
That's a good way to get your kid to hate reading and never do it when you're not around to force him.

the correct learning order is
>hiragana + a bit of katakana
>tae kim
>then get two version of a manga (en/jp with furigana) and try to translate every sentence.
>repeat until you git gud
>never use anki
this is objectively true and everything else is more complicated than it has to be.

>>19450297
>Read the new and improved guide before asking good and great questions.
>https://nihongobyjamal.neocities.org/ (under construction!!)
>in my personal opinion the reading of the word is all that matters in anki, definitions can be left to exposure and checking the dictionary enough times
Holy fuck, this is a brilliant idea. Why did I never think of it?

stop posting jamal's troll website
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

>>19450991
>never use anki
it sounds freeing but it just feels wrong to cast aside SRS

>>19450891
anyone who thinks this is a real pun doesn't know japanese
you might as well say that it's a pun on 少敵

>>19451004
>>19451006
is what that guy wrote trolling i still havent read it btw

>>19451017
like 10% of it is legit and the rest is trolling
the new guide site has a guide that has the same philosophy as that 10% anyway

>>19451021
ok ill replace it with the real shit

>>19451017
It's not retarded advice in itself but it's presented in a retarded lowercase troll style so it's hard to take seriously.

>>19451008
dont you want to have FUN all the time instead of reading tons of random unnatural, out of context shit that contains tons of words youll barely ever need to understand your basedboy cartoons? BUT WHY?

>>19450991
i can't tell if this is a shitpost because there's only one thing wrong with it

>>19451038
by the way the one thing that's wrong is ever looking at english manga translations after you start learning japanese don't do that

>>19451036
this be some reddit mentality right hurr

>>19451036
i write all my cold hard truth in lowercase troll style to shake your foundations

>>19451044
it's sort of two-fold, also don't translate, but that's what i was getting at yeah

>>19451015
Call it what you will, but it's a bit of wordplay that's lost in a literal translation.

>>19451021
>the new guide site has a guide that has the same philosophy as that 10% anyway
The proper DJT guide has some decent advice/info, but there's no much trash mixed in with it. Allowing the guide to be edited by random beginners was a horrible idea.

>>19451087
Not really.

>>19451094
yeah like more than 50% or 75% of the old guide is stuff that doesn't matter and there's maybe a couple sentences dedicated to what you actually do when you start reading

>>19451094
>no much
*so much

This card and several others appeared as new cards yesterday and I finished all reps that day (the new cards turned into Learning). For some reason, the cards appeared as new cards again today. What could have caused that?

>>19451105
Looks like a bug in Anki or some addon.

>>19451087
if i say "i'm looking for some fights" is it clever wordplay because it sounds like "i'm looking for some tights" like i'm looking for fights but i only want to see them so i can see some dudes in tights

>>19451111
Vanilla Anki with no addons and I haven't messed with the deck or cards in question, it's really strange.

Tried rebuilding database and media (had a lot of unused media files). Maybe it'll help or maybe not.

>>19451095
Uh, it's literally playing off how the words sound similar, with Reimu pretending to have misheard her. How is that not wordplay?

>>19451125
>>19451095
Did you not see Cirno's previous line in the transcript? Cirno says 強敵 and Reimu turns it into 標的.

>>19451171
They probably didn't read the conversation and just zoomed in on the TL note, how embarrassing.

>>19451171
first person isn't me but yeah i didn't actually read the top half of the image at all

Most manga translations are full of errors. Amateur translators know well their audience will never know, so they're quick to make guesses when their level of Japanese is not good enough.

>>19451171
>>19451189
same
this is why to translate you need to be a writer in the target language, you have to take a lot of liberty and likely deviate from the meaning of one of the two original words

Just got my kindle and am ready to read my first book in Japanese! What do I start with /jp/?

>>19451253
kino's tabi
most light novels are fine

>>19451253
GJ部

What's with all the people calling /djt/ /jp/ lately? /int/ tourists?

漫画を読書するのは一番日本語の勉強する方法

Is Aikatsu good for beginners? Has anyone watched it?

>>19451399
Just watch whatever you want

>>19451428
based
>>19451399
cringe

>>19451397
ill give you a cookie if you can make that sound not retarded

>>19451396
>/djt/

>>19451399
Akari is a literal goddess, she'll teach you all you need to know

NHK Easy articles contain definitions which would be perfect as baby's first J-J dictionary.

Do they use an external dictionary which I can download myself, or is this something that they write specifically for each article?

>>19451578
いや～
ごめんごめん

can u disable furigana on nhk easy?

>>19451578
>>19451590
why are you attwhoring like this retard

/a/ is two blocks down

Daily reminder that learning Japanese is fun.

>>19451641
haha no the fuck it's not. maybe when you get to an intermediate stage where you can comprehend shit so that you mostly know what's going on and make progress at the same

>>19451639

You can on TangoRisto, which if you have a mobile phone is something I'd recommend instead.

>>19451661
What are you doing that is unfun?

Have you tried eroge?

>>19451639
Yeah, click the button that says 漢字の読み方消す

>>19451278
Seconding kino. It's tough at first especially the prologue which has some introspective philosophical stuff in it but just push through that

>>19451665

You can specify what your N1-N5 level is which determines which words have furigana or not. You can also outright turn off furigana.

>>19451702
If I know 1200 words and have taken a first pass through Tae Kim can I do it?

>>19451718
There is only one way to find out. Force yourself to read the prologue and then decide if you think you can read the whole thing.

>>19451718
If you read it remember that エルメス is the motorcycle. It was the first light novel I read and that confused me a little. Also I did not like it that much there was some chapters I liked but overall it was not the best.

>>19451752
but I've never read anything before

>>19451718
1200 words? That's dictionary mining territory.

>>19451768
That is a compelling argument. If you have never read before, you should probably never start.

>>19451769
what do you mean?

>>19451094
By proper you mean this one?
https://neodjt.neocities.org/newguide.html

>>19451827
that guide was written entirely by one person in a single go so I'm pretty sure they mean the djtguide guide

>>19451827
No, was referring to this one:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/guide.html

>>19451839
>>19451967
Ah, okay. Thanks.

>>19451006
Might wanna think about changing the link styling. Seeing grey rectangles everywhere while viewing the guide is kind of an eye sore.

>>19452019
post it on the feedback page

>>19451768
Then read some NHK easy web news articles. I jumped right into VNs and LNs and got my ass handed to me, but by continuing to just go for it and regularly revisiting grammar references I got a lot better.
The first few things you read are gonna be a struggle no matter what, though.

>>19452099
>The first few things you read are gonna be a struggle no matter what, though.
What if I don't want them to be?

>>19452101
It's just not possible. Jump in, get your ass kicked, and stand up again.

>>19452108
So my desires count for nothing?

>>19452101
You're gonna get fucked either way, would you rather learn 6k words, complete however ammount of grammar books you want and get ultra dissapointed or you can just go in expecting to get your ass kicked.

what does までの mean here?

"魔方陣から3マスまでの距離を攻撃できるよ。"

>>19452115
Then fuck this. I'm gonna go play a game.

Is it possible to finish reading a basic grammar guide and then learn Japanese purely through thousands of hours of input without ever consulting a grammar reference?

>>19452116
((魔方陣から3マスまで)の)距離を

>>19452129
yes
>>19452119
hope it's in japanese

>>19452129

No. Dumbass.

>>19452116
Literally just まで + の
Review your basic grammar, anon.

>>19452134
Why not? Krashen seems to think so

>>19452140
I bet you definitely could but quickly glancing at a guide/reference so you vaguely know what you're looking at would be faster I think.

>>19452129
You can do it without reading a grammar guide

minna genki？

>>19452129
Maybe. But why would you do that to yourself? If there is a grammar point that would take 10-1000 hours to learn by immersion, but it would take 5 minutes to learn it from a grammar resource, why wouldn't you do that?

Before I dive into native materials, is it OK if I spend 2 months mining Tae Kim like this guy? Or should I get it done in 1 month?

https://youtu.be/gixmZMmIdJs?t=191

>>19452225
one month is a little slow

how do I start learning pitch accents?

oh great its another neckbeard faggot in his bedroom rambling for 20 mins about absolutely nothing involving nihongo whatsoever lmao

im starting to think westerners that intentionally try to learn japanese are actually legit mentally ill

>>19452221
because looking up grammar is mentally draining and takes me out of enjoying compelling content

>>19452240
You know what else really kills your enjoyment of compelling content? Not understanding anything.

>>19452240
if it's draining you're doing it wrong

>>19452247
not really, as long as I understand the basic gist of it

>>19452258
isolate the grammar point giving you trouble, google it, read an explanation in Japanese. None of this is fun. I would rather continue reading compelling content instead

if you watch 10000 hours of anime your can prolly figure out how to enjoy shit

>>19452267
if it's not easy to search for in HJGP then you don't need to look it up and should just learn it through exposure

>>19452267
That's what I usually do, but if the sentence is important then I'll look up the grammar.

what's a good grammar resource i can easily ctrl+f or use built-in search instead of scrolling through PDFs

>>19452300
right here my man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl69e1Z2WUQ

Seriously guys, stop memeing and give it to me straight. I'm doing a bit better than that other guy, but I'm only 1500 into core6k. I've read Tae Kim and written my own summary for easy reference. What do I do now? Manga is a pain in the ass to look up words in and LNs and VNs all seem super intimidating.

>>19452315
Read manga with furigana and don't look anything up. Once it stops being hard you can switch to VNs and they won't be intimidating.

>and don't look anything up
What the everloving fuck?

Yeah you can look stuff up once you switch to VNs.

like matt says

>>19452330
i think you're confusing what matt did for what he says to do. actually he still looked stuff up. said so in one of his interviews.

>>19452315
>LNs and VNs all seem super intimidating.
>seem
What's with people and that retarded fear of opening up a bunch of reading material to see if they might be able to read it?

who can help me practice japanese? im not in kanjis, im supposed to be able to do average on an n4

>>19452349
こんにちは わたしはゲイ

あなたはどちらさまですか

Is it normal to have to look up most words when you start reading? I've gotten through two lines of GJ in 10 minutes so far.

>>19452355
The very first thing you read is always going to be orders of magnitude more difficult than it seems like it should be. It gets a lot easier, very fast.

>>19452353
こにちはおかまさん
わたしはじごきにからきました

>言われて気づく
How do you translate that? "He noticed being told"?

Fuck I don't think I can learn this language

>>19452363
notice when told

どこでわたしたちはなしていますか

「おい。ネクタイ」
　いつもの部室の丸テーブル。隣となりにいた部長から、京きよう夜やは肘ひじでつつかれた。
「ああ。はい」
　言われて気づく。ネクタイが緩ゆるみきっていた。五時間目にちょっと暑かったことを思いだす。


So is the general gist of this text that there is a character named Necktie, he's sitting with some people at a club table, Kyoya pokes him, he acknowledges someone is speaking to him, notices his necktie is loose, and then remembers it was hot during fifth period?

Fuck I don't get it, can someone break this sentence down for me?

いっぺんほどいて、結び直しにかかる。

When I plug it into google translate the meaning makes sense, but I have no idea how to get there based on each word.

>>19452399
are you trying to be offensive

>>19452413
no you gotta do the breaking down or いっぺんほどいて as it were

>>19452315
>LNs and VNs all seem super intimidating
They will continue to be until you read one. Even if you know 10,000 words and completely memorized every entry in the DOJG, reading your first LN/VN will be hard. You just have to do it.

I'm on my 4th VN and I'm still shit. Waiting for the good times to come.

>>19452422
I seriously don't know where to go for help. This is my first attempt at reading. I earnestly want to learn this language but don't know where to ask questions.

>>19452434
Which of the two posts quoted is yours?

だまらしゃい would be something like "Be shilent" right? The character misspeaking 黙らさい?

>>19452453
heres the epic answer its both

Am I supposed to be taking notes as I go through grammar for the first time, or is it expected to passively absorb everything? Wouldn't retention be a problem and your first reading, unless you have an OD memory, you'd be taking a look back at references every other sentence?
Or is that all according to plan?

is it me or are these idiot fakeposts just incredibly seethrough

>>19452453
>>19452462
They are both mine yes, I'm reading GJ vol1

>>19452471
not like that youre not

they're not all fake djt is just on the front page right now

>>19452399
部長 poked Kyouya with his elbow and told Kyouya to fix his necktie

>>19452413
Untie it and then tie it again

What are some of your recommended live action Japanese films to watch? Not necessarily for the language learning aspect but just because they're good films.

>>19452480
It's my first book ok anon? I'm trying my best.

>>19452486
生きる by 黒澤明

>>19452486
Departures. Can't remember the Japanese name of it. I also liked Swing Girls, but I only watched it because it had the actress from Nodame Cantabile.

I've watched some other movies but I didn't like any of them and can't remember their names.

>>19452486
boys on the run

>>19452504
>Departures
I second this

>>19452486
also 四季即ぜねれいしょん

高校に入って、はじめてこんなもん結ばさせられるようになって、まだぜんぜん慣れていない。

Can someone break down the middle part of this?

I know the first part is entering high school and the last part is I haven't gotten used to it, but I'm not sure about the middle. Something about entering a gate and a knot, but that doesn't really make much sense.

>>19452486
i mean look at this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGLMEjELQF0#t=132

>>19452523
>こんなもん
Slang for こんなもの, this kind of thing.
>結ばさせられる
Causative Passive, was made to tie

When I entered high school, for the first I was made to tie this kind of thing (a necktie) and I never got used to it.

Something like that.

you can tie a boys neck tie for him

or you can let him fuck with it a buncha times till he figures it out

>>19451037
I read for a year after finishing core 2k without mining, I had fun but I didn't improve for shit.
Kill yourself along with your meme.

>>19452588
How many hours did you read per day?

God damn, it took me a whole hour to get through a page and a half of GJ vol1.

>>19452594
Ten minutes.

>>19452602
skip sentences you don't understand until you find content that is i+1

>>19452611
dude hes gonna be at the back cover in notime cause he skipped all the pages

>>19452602
how many hours of anime have you watched lifetime

>>19452618
Yeah I'm not gonna skip anything, I need to actually learn

>>19452618
then pick up a new book and keep going

>>19452627
read krashen

>>19452631
Can't get easier than GJ desu

>>19452635
post the first page

>>19452643
one 1st page comin right up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDu7sFdwgZY

be honest shitposters, how many of you came from discord?

>>19452643
Look at like the first few lines http://djt.netlify.com/b/[新木伸]%20gj部/[新木伸]%20gj部%201/

>>19451038
>>19451044
>>19451074
Not that guy, but serious question: How do you know if you're understanding the sentence properly if you don't have some way to tell if you're right or wrong?

>>19452594
I'm assuming you're the same guy so I'll reply respectively.
It doesn't matter how many hours I did because japanese is not a brainlet language like english, there's these things called kanji you know, you can't just memorize these at a glance, or another glance after 2 days like you suggest. These little fuckers have multiple readings and several meanings, much more than any english word, and then they combine with several other kanjis like the sluts they are making infinite amounts of fucking words. It's already easy enough to confuse kanji you're not familiar with by doing srs and you want to go without it?
Go ahead and have fun but don't fucking say you're actually learning the language because that's a fucking 嘘 that will only result in more jamals being made.

>>19452686
oh it really is easy
>>19452710
you don't and you don't have to worry about it

>>19452710
You don't
That's the fun part of learning japanese
The mistery

>>19452710
It's self correcting, you can only interpret something incorrectly so many times before contextually your interpretation doesn't make sense and you realize that the word/grammar means something else.

also automatic self correction of natural misunderstandings is one of the best ways to build a strong memory of what it actually means

>>19452718
I think you have a 頭脳 disorder
I'm very sorry

reading is eating

>>19452732
Yeah because I'm actually learning japanese.

>>19452718
Answer my question, how many hours of input did you get in that one year?

>>19452738
Why are you shitposting on the /d/j//t now then? lol

>>19451640
What are you talking about? That was a good post. The definitions on NHK Easy, when they have them, are typically really easy to understand -- more so than what I've been able to find online.

>>19452740
About 2, the point is it only solidified the words I already knew and some grammar. Words I looked up would fly out of my brain 2 minutes later.
>>19452744
Just taking a breather from my incessant nihongo learning.

Hey look guys the /int/ thread is up >>>/int/92351318
No need to shitpost here now. Go on, your shitposter family is waiting for you.

SGJL, will it take me to N1? I have the Core 10K deck and have been using 2 memrise courses that Nukemarine provided me. I was just wondering what level these decks go to.

>>19452801
SGJL will take you to N3 and in a longer amount of time than just forcing yourself to read

>>19452762
>About 2
I'm assuming you mean per day. You're telling me you read 760 hours after finishing core2k and didn't learn anything? I don't believe you.

>>19452801
I don't even know what the fuck SGJL is but I'm guessing it's some e-celebrity shit like mattat so probably not

Should I learn Japanese, or learn programming?

Which is more likely to improve my life in a meaningful way?

>>19452819
japanese because it's harder and better for you to start earlier
anyone can learn to "program" the moment they have a need to do it and a week or two to practice

>>19452819
>Which is more likely to improve my life in a meaningful way?
Learning to think for yourself

>>19452825
I'm already 30 is it too late?

>>19452827
the only things you can be "too late" to start are physically strenuous things that your body has to grow around or be broken into like gymnastics, because at a certain age your body injures too easily

Official guide on how to learn nihongo (approved by nihongo master)
1- don't do ajatt
2- don't do core after 6 months
3- don't do ajatt (IMPORTANT1!!!!)
4- dont do genki
5- don't do rtk
6- don't take university japanese classes
7- read
8- read more
(your almost there!)
9- don't give up
10- ???
11 - profit

Congrats you learned nihongo. This guide is certified by the nihongo master so it's 100% failproof, you have nothing to worry about as long as you follow it.

>>19452827
not too late
brains are flexible

>>19452827
Yeah, I'm sorry but you can no longer learn nihongo

>>19452832
good post but where are the amphetamines?

>>19452805
It didn't, outside of some autistic onomatopoeic words and some extremely easy words I didn't learn anything. I improved my reading speed a lot but I could've done that along with mining.

>>19452847
It's an optional step. I know many people have weak hearts so amphetamines might actually hinder their nihongo progress. I can't recommend them to anyone.

>>19452851
understandable have a nice day

>>19452832
as a supplement heres a little test to see if you (not ((you)) know nihongo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC4_KDNF5vA

dont complain that its a song its slow and articulate : )

>>19452847
Are these really necessary? I asked my doctor to prescribe me some since I want to learn Japanese but he refused

>>19452859
no they just help if you can handle them

>>19452827
maybe last year but one you hit 30 it becomes impossible. sorry, maybe try golf instead

>>19452859
you should have invoked the comedy option on your doctor and asked him if he knows japanese

>>19452827
it depends have you watched 10000 hours of anime yet (this is not a joke in fact this determines your life and death with nippongo right here right now)

alternatively are you a wizard (魔法使い)

>>19452878
I've watched only 1600 hours according to Taiga... Give or take a hundred or two from before I started using the program maybe...

>>19452887
its not lookin good for you but ill give you possibly the best advice you can be given in this thread of noob madness

throw out the notion of trying to learn japanese and just go have fun with japanese games or whatever shit you wanna do in whatever manner you can without "trying" to "learn" """japanese"""

its gonna be hard because youre a thinkin adult with goals and a self assessed ability to do things but the truth is you cant

the only way youre gonna learn nihongo is when you stop trying because as you can see from 2000 of these threads the harder they try to learn japanese the more impossible their dreams become which leads to a completely fucked up mental state where they are telling people to do billions of flashcards and take actual narcotics and take a 20 year old who pees in jugs seriously when it comes to nihongo

think about it and then when youre done thinking about it stop thinking and just have fun like youre that 12 year old that i know still lives on in your heart

good luck sir

>>19452318
Manga isn't reading though.

>>19452922
Manga is eating and eating is reading.

>>19452952
close

>>19452461
it's definitely not misspeaking but I don't know enough to say where it came from

my guess is it's the same as the しゃい（しゃる）as いらっしゃい, making it a polite imperative (and amusing because the phrase itself is not polite)

also you're thinking of 黙りなさい, 黙らさい is unconditionally incorrect

fuck, kanji koohii went down as soon as I was about to start learning new cards.

I can't study now.

おちんちん

>>19452969
Would "Please shut up" be a good way to think of it, then?

>しかし決して線多くない絵でこれだけの魅力が出せるのに、線多くても絵の魅力が出せてないアニメ悲惨すぎる

What's the function of "のに" in those sentences? To connect to different idea/to contrast these two condition?

>>19452994
I would just go with Silence! or Be silent!

I've only seen だまらっしゃい in joking contexts and "please shut up" sounds like you're picking a fight

then again I don't read a lot (especially not old shit) so maybe it was used seriously in the past/certain dialects

>>19453011
>"please shut up" sounds like you're picking a fight

The character who said it kind of is, even though the situation is being played as a joke. She's the emotionless type who talks politely and in this scene is uncharacteristically getting angry at the MC due to them being late.

>>19452994
In modern usage, it's old women's way of saying "shut up!"

how about you all just use google

>>19453011
>>19453037
Aight, I understand now. Thanks for the help.

>>19453044
You waited over 2 hours for people to find an answer your retarded question because you're too lazy to use google
I wonder if you even have a brain

>>19453003
Never mind.

>>19453053
Or I couldn't find the answer when I googled. And I wasn't only in the thread for the answer to my question. That's a possibility.

モテまくるわけない

Could I translate this as "there's no way (subject) would be popular"?
What's difference with "モテるわけない"? Is it interchangeable?

>>19453053
暇人の自己投影

Is there some sort of online test I can take online to grasp my current skill level? I'd like to figure what my level is to select reading material adequate to my level.

>>19453347
which words do you know how to read and the meaning of
answer honestly and i'll calibrate your reading level
犬
木
事
腹
瞳
靴
永遠
距離
理性
盛況
丁重
案件
金気
質屋
側室

>>19453370
didn't know anything starting from 盛況

>>19453387
Pick anything that's a 3 to 5, 6 if you like using a dictionary a lot.

You can guess if something is a 1~2, 3~5, or 6~7 based on the hardest words the vndb screenshots use in dialogue.

>>19453370
I am on my phone right now so please bear with romaji

犬 - inu, dog
木 - ki, tree
事 - koto, a thing or event
腹 - hara, belly
瞳 - hitomi, eyes
靴 - kutsu, shoes
永遠 - eien, eternity
距離 - no idea
理性 - risei, reason
盛況 - no idea
丁重 - I don't know, but I'd wild guess it reads "teijuu"
案件 - no idea
金気 - no idea, kaneki?
質屋 - some kind of shop
側室 - no idea

>>19453472
2 to 4 for you, maybe 5 if you like using a dictionary a lot.

>>19453472
>重
I hate this piece of shit

>>19453481
Thanks mate, I think I'll go with Aokana.

>>19453513
Because it reminds you of how fat you are?

主人公は理由なくワイルドにはなっていない

I'm kinda thrown off by the use of なっていない in this. Does the protagonist not have a very good reason for 'going wild'?

>>19453568
Doesn't it mean the protagonist doesn't go wild without a reason?

>>19453472
>read 瞳 as わらべ

I can't learn kanji

>>19453568
にほんごの

ワイルドに

wildのいみは

ないです

これはペンです。

>>19453579
That was my first impression, but I ended up overthinking it then because Jisho's definition of なっていない threw me off. Thanks for steering me back on the right path.

Hell is out there...

>>19453638
Hell is in here.

>>19453422
This is good, is there a more comprehensive list?

>>19453588
まえのぶんによって

なっているの

いみはいろいろとれるよ

まえのぶんよんでないとわからないよ

>>19453777
more comprehensive lists are lower quality
this should have enough options to last you until you shouldn't need a list and can make your own judgments

主人公 person again, sorry. Just want to double-check something.

主人公とのタトゥーの関係は秘密

So the protagonist has tattoos, but they also know a mysterious person with tattoos. In this interview, does it sound like the interviewee nicknamed the character Tattoo and is talking about their relationship with the protagonist?

The alternative reading is that they're talking about the protagonist's tattoos, but wouldn't they use something like 意味 or 大事 rather than 関係? The latter sounds like it's describing human relationships, but I could just be bastardising Japanese.

>>19453076
まくる adds emphasis. (verb[ます-form]+まくる)
"there's no way (subject) would be very popular"
(perhaps (subject) may become popular moderately)

>>19453915
the relation of the tattoo with the protagonist is a mistery

>>19453915
>The latter sounds like it's describing human relationships,
haven't you heard 関係ない? jisho's tatoeba sentence search feature can sometimes help with things like this

Studied 1484 cards in 282 minutes today

>>19453980
nice, what kind of cards

>>19453003
Contrast.
Even one picture with few lines has such a charm, anime that cannot make effective use of the charm of pictures with many lines is too miserable.

>>19453979
I understand. I'm just wondering if, in Japanese, it's plausible to talk about the 'relationship/connection' between someone and their tattoos, or would this be better facilitated by words like 意味?

>>19453777
is this comprehensive enough for ya?

>>19454015
this list is super bad and lists hard games as easy and vice versa please don't post it

>>19454024
Literally deleted it 3 seconds after posting. I need double check what I keep in my folders nowadays

>>19454039
i feel bad for the people who made it, it must feel bad looking back on it in its unfinished and error-riddled state

>>19454024
Why do you consider the list so bad?

>>19454050
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KnyyDt7jimEz-dgeMSKymRaT2r3QKBPm9AzqZ6oUWAs/pub
>Twinkle Crusaders
>Good idea for a first read? yes

>>19454059
>Aiyoku no Eustia
>Good idea for a first read? Yes

but why

>>19452552
yes, in addition
>結ばさせられる
is a little out of the way because 結ぶ should change into 結ばせる(causative), 結ばせられる or 結ばされる(causative passive).

godan verb -> 飲む　飲ませる　飲ませられる or 飲まされる
ichidan verb -> 食べる　食べさせる　食べさせられる

When do you plan on moving to literature aimed for adults?

>>19454120
When I've finished reading all of the otaku media I want to because it's much more difficult to tell when literature is going to be garbage or not in comparison.

>>19454120
I'm reading a porn game right now, does that count as literature aimed at adults

Is extensive reading a useful method of learning?
Anyone here do it? how do you actually learn from just reading.

I was reading a university guide to it and it said to avoid using the dictionary.

>>19454146
This is a reddit repost.

Read as long as you can.

Avoiding using the dictionary is for paper books or manually googling words, where dictionary lookups take up so much time that they take you out of reading. If you have a mouseover dictionary there's no reason to avoid dictionary lookups except to keep yourself from looking up words you already know.

>>19453980
Why did you spend nearly five hours reading stupid fucking cards you dumb autist.
Let me guess:
>>>>core2k/6k nihongolet

>>19454063
I'm reading at as my second after Axanael and while it's comprehensible the formal speech in it is still kicking my ass.Wondering if i could just move on to something easier but i'm still following along and having fun too so I guess i'll stick to it.

>>19454160
You just internalise grammar and vocab by exposure?

So the easiest, most basic vn out there that is not for kids is Flyable heart? Why is it so simple?

>>19454216
You misread my post.

>>19454222
No idea. Here, have the first few lines.

本当に唐突だし、まったくもってどうでもいいコトなんだけど。
俺の好きな言葉は『ご飯』だ。
もしくは『昨日のご飯、何食べた？』でもいい。
俺はなによりもご飯が好きだ。あったかくて美味しくて、おまけになんだか幸せになれる気がする。
あ、ご飯だけじゃなくて、おやつも好きだが。
本当にどうでもいいコトだけど。
ご飯は俺に幸せを運んでくれる一番の素敵アイテムなんだ。今のところ。
『あらあら、そうなんだぁ』
うん。ほんとに。

>>19454230
Holy kek, even I can read all of this and I've been studying for a month.

>>19454241
how impressive, well done have a gold star

>>19454245
Thank you senpai

>>19454241
I can read it and I've been studying for 2 days, bitch. Get on my motherfucking level.

>>19454257
I've never studied before and I can already read it. You are like a little baby.

>>19454230
I couldn't tell what 唐突 was and I've been studying for years.

>>19454271
I'm so sorry.

>>19454120
I already do

>>19454271
>T'ang + Stab = sudden
Thanks to RTK this was clear as a day

>>19454154
I don't think it is anon, I can't find it.

>>19452627
You learn through comprehensible input you fucking mong.

>>19454354
listen dude if he wants to stare at sentences that are above his level for hours and shit up the thread with translation requests that's his choice
it's not your place to tell him to learn japanese instead of wasting time

How many total hours have you guys got on anki and how good are you? I've got 84 hours, almost monolingual

>>19454495
16 hours but that's just from my mining deck and I've deleted it once before

>>19454495
What deck(s) do you have?
Anki won't teach you Japanese, it will (maybe) make the task easier on yourself.

>>19454495
224 hours, almost monolingual.

>>19454525
Only premade decks I have are a Japanese-prefecture-kanji-reading deck and my rtk deck. Other than that there is my sentence mining deck (at ~2000 cards)

>>19454495
I was at around 300 hours of KKLC kanji and vocab before I deleted my decks and started mining, almost monolingual. That's not counting another 200 hours outside of Anki preparing cards.

>>19454063
It's not very hard. My first "full" read, and it has been going pretty smoothly. Granted, I have N1. There is a good number of difficult words, but the grammar could hardly get any simpler.
And you should know the basics of keigo before you start reading. Those parts won't stump you too hard if you know your around the foundations.

>>19454547
Unsubscribe Matt right now.

>>19454547
How the hell do you manage to do so many things wrong

>>19454555
if you got n1 before you started reading there's something very weird about how you learned japanese

>>19454495
I've been using anki about 2 hours every day for 54 days. I've gotten to 1325 kanji in RTK with a retention of 90% so I can write out roughly 1200 kanji after seeing a keyword. So I'd say I'm pretty good.

>>19454549
>300 hours of KKLC kanji and vocab
How much of that time was spent on handwriting kanji? I didn't do that and feel bad for it now. How many words?

>>19454556
Yo let's not start this discussion

>>19454558
Explain please

>>19454564
But when will you start learning Japanese?

>>19454569
None. 1800 words. I can't count how many things I did wrong.

This is ground control to major tom

>>19454582
Already told you in about 1 or 2 months.

>>19454577
If you can't see what you're doing wrong by yourself there's no point in me explaining

おじさまと猫,
First time I read a manga and understand everything. Easy vocab and cute story, please check it out :)

>>19454591
That's some really weird logic

Using Linux. How should I improve my font rendering? Recommended settings for fontconfig?

>>19454547
Here's some advice
- Drop the prefecture deck entirely, like don't even question it nigga
- Either do RTK right now, later or never. Don't do it at the same time as learning other shit if you're a beginner
- Do you mine every single sentence you don't fully understand or something? I don't like mining sentences but even I know you shouldn't have anywhere near 2000 sentences if you don't know nihongo. Either drop your sentence deck or considerably reduce the number of cards.

>>19454599
That's as good as it's gonna get, unless you just want to install new fonts and override them in your browser.

>>19454563
Contrary to the popular sentiment here the combination of ankidroning core decks, studying individual kanji and reading proper grammar books can get you pretty damn far, if you can actually stick to it. I probably had less than 50 hours total of reading content aimed at natives under my belt when I passed it.
Doesn't take you all the way through though, which is why I've started reading more actively.

>>19454597
No it's not because if you're not smart enough to be able to figure out your own obvious mistakes you also probably won't be smart enough to be able to understand my explanation of what you're doing wrong

>>19454146
Seems like it would work better for languages without chinese characters

>>19454600
>- Drop the prefecture deck entirely, like don't even question it nigga
It literally only has ~40 cards that I'm just reviewing now
>- Either do RTK right now, later or never. Don't do it at the same time as learning other shit if you're a beginner
I'm done with rtk (not handwriting tho), just reviewing
>- Do you mine every single sentence you don't fully understand or something? I don't like mining sentences but even I know you shouldn't have anywhere near 2000 sentences if you don't know nihongo. Either drop your sentence deck or considerably reduce the number of cards.
i+1, only started after finishing rtk.

>>19454611
But how many years did it take you to pass?

>>19454600
>Either do RTK right now, later or never.
preferably not right now
>I don't like mining sentences but even I know you shouldn't have anywhere near 2000 sentences if you don't know nihongo.
sentence miners have approximately one new word per sentence, this is equivalent to 2000 words, this is not a lot
but it's probably a lot of time reviewing compared to an equivalent deck of 2000 vocab

>>19454611
Yea but why would you do that instead of the more fun and far more efficient process of reading.

excuse me, i meant to say, a lot of time reviewing for a lower level of comprehension in spite of a higher "retention", that part is important

>>19454625
>but it's probably a lot of time reviewing compared to an equivalent deck of 2000 vocab
but grammar

>>19454608
I see. I'm good then.

>>19454593
Good for you but manga isn't reading.

>>19454630
you don't learn grammar through flashcards, you learn grammar through hundreds of examples in different contexts

>>19454633
Literally what sentence mining is

>>19454633
or you frontload it via sentence cards and acquire it much faster??? that's pretty much the whole point of SRS????

>>19454619
>It literally only has ~40 cards that I'm just reviewing now
Well I guess that's okay, don't go full autist and add every single proper noun you come accross.
>I'm done with rtk (not handwriting tho), just reviewing
How many reviews/day on average?

>>19454639
i think you're mistaken, that's what reading is, note that i did not say anything about repetition
>>19454640
that's the intent but not the result

>>19454639
this is not true

i'm about to drop some hot knowledge on you kids
i'm sure all of you have watched matt's video on quitting anki because you gotta keep up with the wisdom
you remember the part where he said that srs fucks up your mental understanding of what is common and what is not
this doesn't only apply to rare words, this applies to sentence cards for beginners
by repeatedly exposing yourself to whatever sentences happen to be relatively easy for you to understand, you are fucking up your mental understanding of what grammar patterns and wording is the most common way to communicate something

Doesn't it get boring having self-proclaimed Japanese experts doling out one best ways to learning all the time.

I miss these threads on /a/, they at least had enough actual content and people ripping and giving access to different resources, its now /jp/ shitposting and smug.

>>19454658
I ripped things since /jp/.

>>19454647
>that's the intent but not the result
i think you're phrasing yourself poorly since you will better remember something through repeated exposure, and SRS "overexposes" things to you that you don't encounter frequently enough in text for whatever reason. what you probably mean to say is that investing effort into SRS is really boring and you can learn through reading. and sure, you can but it's not going to be as fast because the exposure won't be as frequent. and by the way SRS is always used as a supplement, obviously you read a lot every day and you only mine shit that you're seeing enough that you think it's important to remember but feel take too long to acquire through natural exposure.

>>19454623
Around 3 years. N3->N2->N1 transitions took a year per level. I'm not a NEET like many here, so I've only studied in my pretty limited spare time.
>>19454627
I find having to look up every other word and grammar pattern anything but fun. Reading only became somewhat tolerable at around N2.

>>19454658
Take your esl ass back to /int/ if you don't like it.

>>19454655
>this doesn't only apply to rare words, this applies to sentence cards for beginners
yea but there's a whole spectrum inbetween and you're more likely to be SRSing stuff that is frequent enough that it's useful to know, but isn't frequent enough that you'll acquire it as quickly through reading.

>>19454646
>>I'm done with rtk (not handwriting tho), just reviewing
>How many reviews/day on average?
About 20. I'm forgetting more and more of the exact keywords (not the meaning), though so I might delete it soon

>>19454655
Which is why you don't output as a beginner

>>19454495

About 43 hours averaging 48 minutes a day on a few decks. Just hit the 500 vocab threshold on core. Feels good. I can even read a little bit.

>>19454672
Good job, now you're gonna gave to go through the absolutely intolerable experience of reading words anyway, the only difference is that you'll have a harder time than someone who read from the beginning since you're not used to it, on top of having to do it with an artificial vocabulary instead of a naturally built one

>>19454665
are you talking about beginners or advanced here
beginners encounter every bit of grammar they need to learn frequently enough and can use vocab srs to help with reading words written in kanji
i did not mean to say that it is boring although it is, i meant to say that it is not an ideal use of your time
yes it is a supplement but it is a supplement that easily gets out of hand and drastically cuts into reading time when people do it for 1-2 hours a day
>>19454674
it is a far bigger issue in sentences than in vocab, your defense of srs applies to vocab just fine
>>19454680
the effect of years of sentence card srs before you start outputting is still there

>>19454680
And then end like mattato? lol no thanks

>>19454705
beginners
>frequently enough
such that they will eventually learn it, yea. but they could learn it faster with SRS.
>and drastically cuts into reading time when people do it for 1-2 hours a day
so then just warn everyone to maintain a reading/anki ratio of 3:1 or something. or reduce daily new cards until their reviews dip below an hour.

>>19454120
I already read shounen.

>>19454712
>And then end like mattato?
You don't want to be confused for a native over the phone?

>>19454732
Oh yeah I'd love to have loyal fans to suck my dick
Don't wanna end like mattato though, not mattato

Okay munchkins settle down it's too early for this. How about we all just sit back and crack open a nice manga to watch.

>>19454599
rm all the hinting bullshit and install sazanami

Does anyone know of a source for children's shows to use as listening practice?

Japanese Sesame Street and the like.

>>19454593
おもしろそう

>>19454746
Precure.

>>19454599
Add this to your /etc/fonts/local.conf (between the <fontconfig> </fontconfig> tags)
https://pastebin.com/cHhpYt5r
Note for the rgba property, your screen probably has a rgb subpixel layout but do this test to make sure: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/subpixel.php ; if it doesn't simply swap "rgb" in the config file with whatever subpixel layout your screen uses.

You can also use premade rules: make a symbolic link of the rule you want to add from /etc/fonts/conf.avail/ to /etc/fonts/conf.d/.

>>19454700
Except core includes most of the common vocab either way, and I can guess the meanings of the majority of words I don't know just by looking at the kanji because I haven't fell for the "studying kanji only through vocab" meme.
But it is totally a worse experience compared to stumbling through the text while spending most of the time looking shit up.

>>19454723
>but they could learn it faster with SRS.
let's try another angle
matt endorses that you make tae kim sentence cards before you mine, aside from the argument of if this in itself is a good idea or not, that will cover a large amount of beginner grammar
why should anyone continue sentence mining for the few grammar examples that continue to pop up in the future instead of focusing on vocab mining which is more effective for vocab
>so then just warn everyone to maintain a reading/anki ratio of 3:1 or something. or reduce daily new cards until their reviews dip below an hour.
if i consider vocab srs to have less flaws than sentence srs then that's going to be part of my warning

>>19454761
Disabling autohinting will break very many fonts.

>>19454777
You shouldn't be using fonts with bad/inexistent hinting information in the first place.

>>19454760
What you on about?
Precure is a complex show with complex themes.
Heartocatchi speaks to my heart.

It isn't for beginners.

>>19454763
>But it is totally a worse experience compared to stumbling through the text while spending most of the time looking shit up.
if you haven't experienced this yet you aren't reading, have fun with your graded readers

>>19454764
>why should anyone continue sentence mining for the few grammar examples that continue to pop up in the future instead of focusing on vocab mining which is more effective for vocab
Not only to reinforce grammar but also to reinforce vocab. A word you learn in one card can appear on cards with new words

>>19454799
if it appears on cards with new words then it appeared, probably multiple times, in your actual reading and there's no problem to be solved with sentence cards in the first place

>>19453370
犬 いぬ　ケン dog
木　き　ボク　モク tree, wood
事　こと　ジ matter, work, service etc
腹　はら　フク belly
瞳　ひとみ　ドウ pupil of the eye
靴　くつ　カ shoes
永遠　エイエン eternity
距離　キョリ distance
理性　リセイ reason (rationality) or something like that
盛況　セイキョウ vibrant state (like 状況, not 状態 come on I don't even know English)
丁重　テイチョウ polite and solemn
案件　アンケン basically the matter at hand
金気　？ ( I can't even begin to guess the reading with both of these kanji being gay ass fuck) the meaning must be either something related to money or that something contains metal in some partial way, but I don't remember ever seeing this word.
質屋　シチヤ the place where you go to get a loan for a thing. No, I don't know what it's called in English.
側室　probably ソクシツ, and it's probably not "side room" as that would be trivial. Either some gay ass shit from traditional japanese architecture or a metaphorical court expression (also gay ass fuck). I don't know.

Sorry for the Tourette's, just would like to get fucking graded.

>>19454746

>>19454676
Honestly you should just drop RTK by now. The whole reason why you do RTK in the first place is making the tast of learning vocab easier, not being able to associate keywords (which are more often than not arbitrary or straight-up wrong) to characters.

>>19454672
Actually, are there more NEETs that students over here?

>>19454822

Honestly Kanji Radicals + Kanji Through Vocabulary is a pretty viable mix. If you're not in a rush to write, it's not a bad way to start. Then when you hit the point where you're reading you can work on writing as well to take notes.

>>19454832
The fact that you think what you did was more time efficient is stunning.

>>19454822
I've been making a list of all my keyword changes to rtk as I go through and check each keyword and also choose a japanese keyword, I think there's probably just 30 or so that benefit from a change and it's easy enough to do

>>19454817
Man memorizes the Japanese dictionary, doesn't speak Japanese.

>>19454850
Can you post it here?

>>19454850

My biggest issue with RTK was some of their really odd keywords. I'd rather move to KLC or something else at that point.

>>19454819
いいみたいな（＾。＾）
ありがとう

What is RTK?
What is matt?

>>19454865
I'm only about 800 kanji through right now, but when I finish I definitely plan to put the list on github/koohii/here, along with the japanese keywords I have chosen

>>19454859
I'm about to cry.

Might as well correct myself now that I've been outed:

>質屋　シチや

>>19454876
There's only like a few hundred that have odd keywords out of 2200 and the reason they're different is to reduce synonyms. There's already similar keywords that people confuse and Heisig wanted to minimize that.

>>19454822
>The whole reason why you do RTK in the first place is making the tast of learning vocab easier,
As someone who did RTK, does anyone actually find that it helps them pick up words any more complicated than 水銀? When I encounter a word I don't know, and I don't already know words relating to it, the kanji does nothing for me. I think "oh, it's that one" without any recollection of what keyword I associated it with.
It's likely that thinking "oh, it's that one" helps a bit with distinguishing words from one another, but that's all, and I don't think that's any more valuable than if I had done a radical deck. I figure out new words immediately when I know similar words, not the kanji. It's possible that this applies to 水銀 as well now that I think about it.

>>19454793
Ever looked at an opentype font?

>>19454844
I believe you are mistaking me for someone alse as I am an unrelated anon who didn't participate in the discussion above at all.

>>19454890
were you trying to mark all of the readings as kun or on? for what purpose did you learn this?

>>19454817
this post made me realize this is a good grading list I came up with, thank you for confirming
金気 has three readings across two different senses but only one is particularly normal

>>19454822
I used KKLC, not RTK, but I have found it helpful for quickly classifying unknown words. It's obviously not the case all of the time but looking at 土砂崩れ for example I could tell right away that it's a landslide.

Having said that, I think the intent behind these kanji books is not in the keywords but in the ability to recognize and differentiate between the kanji. To be able to look at a piece of Japanese text and say "I recognize this, and this, and this" is heartening and makes the vocabulary stick. Also, there are some particularly nasty look-alike kanji like 末未朱失夫 that I imagine would be a chronic stumbling block without particular effort made to distinguish them.

Whether the time investment is worth the returns is another question, but I don't feel like I got nothing out of it.

>>19454938
The nice thing about KKLC is that if you drop it part way in you still as much of a benefit as the time you spent on it, because of the sensible kanji ordering and the fact that it exposes you to vocabulary (this is good even if you do not memorize them). This is not true for RTK, which has a really fucked up kanji ordering (人 of all kanji is introduced late for no reason) and only teaches you keywords and stroke order.

>>19454912
I felt the urge to approach the individual kanji as individual kanji, so I listed the common readings for them that I could remember and separated them by on and kun as that felt natural. I avoided め for 瞳 because it's not in the dictionary. I suspect that 腹 doesn't translate as "belly" very well for some compounds, but I had trouble remembering the English word for belly and decided to leave it at that.

Can anyone give me some japanese curse words?

>>19452221
>but it would take 5 minutes to learn it from a grammar resource
There's a difference between knowing something as a fact and having an intuitive understanding of something. That intuitive knowledge of grammar is something you can only get from immersion. The factual knowledge from your grammar guide might aid you in gaining intuitive knowledge more quickly, but that's all.

>>19454945
i have been using a different order (a hybrid of frequency-based and "primitive"-based) for rtk and it's working very well for me. it was a bit of work at the start but once i had a graph of kanji dependencies and their components i was able to take subsets of rtk and study them with their components and then move to the next most frequent subset, etc

>>19454966
くそ。。。クソ野郎クソ喰らえ

>>19454976
this would probably be a pretty good solution if you also stop somewhere between 500 and 1000 kanji

>>19454966
中出しの喜び

>>19454967

Having a factual definition means you'd need to spend less time bashing your head against a wall to get to the intuitive definition. Fuck off Ajatters.

>>19454976
Nukemarine already did this. I'm doing it in Heisig's order since I want to knock them all out.

>>19454966
Marikon - faggot
Puta - Bitch, whore
Kaka - Shit

>>19454966

>>19454966
got what you need right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1_lWW4b-S8

also this ftw >>19454989

>>19454986
you're actually on the ajatt side of the argument, they support grinding grammar definitions

>>19454992
>they support grinding grammar definitions
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>>19454951
PS the reason I know this is because I'm super shit at guessing words from context so I need a dictionary for almost everything. Also, recently I wrote out by hand the entire Jouyou list while confirming that I could remember every reading and meaning on kanjipedia (otherwise learning them for the first time), which gave me a bit of a boost. I did so in the hope that this might boost my ability to guess the meaning of new words composed from known kanji.

>>19454984
yep i got to 500 first and that made a massive difference to my comprehension (includes something like 80% of kanji in normal text or something), but was enjoying the process so decided to go to 1000 and then re-evaluate
the best thing is that after 500 i was able to actually start reading things and learning new vocab so i'm now currently doing both simultaneously, which is helping me build connections between the two as i go. much better than the default order

you guys still talkin bout ashatt lol

why

bring me some cool shit muppets

>>19455009
Here we go, the usual thread ruiner has arrived!

>>19455000
have you not even sucked matt's dick yet, he's all about tae kim anki cards

>>19455004
Depends on what you mean by better. It's less efficient but you can read earlier which is more fun.

Am I the only one who started with literally only tae kim for grammar and memorizing the kanas and then reverse engineered the entire language through reading without ever studying any vocabulary or kanji and "higher" grammar forms?

>>19454987
nukemarine gave me the idea, but his method doesn't take any consideration of components and primitives. for example 皿 is not in the most 1000 common (by my frequency source) but is used as a component in the top 500 kanji so you may as well learn it as you go because you will be using it as a component anyway

>>19455009
Ok here you go

>>19455020
>It's less efficient
imagine unironically thinking this is true
this dude may have actually found something more efficient than both rtk and no rtk: some rtk and the right rtk

>>19455020
how is it less efficient? i want to be able to write the kanji anyway
i tried skipping and doing core first, but found that after about 1000 cards I was just guessing from the rough shape because I wasn't actually recognising the differences between very similar kanji