/jp/ - Otaku Culture

怠慢モノめ、勉強に戻れ

>>19107469
I don't think we should continue DJT while jamal can still post

I'm having trouble with some words and no resource to check, if anyone's gotten an offline easy to search J>J dictionary that won't rape data...

otherwise please help me with these.
Are 支障 and 障害 about the same?
I can't figure out what 何様 means,
and is 筋書き the only word for 'plot' in story context? I see it used as an Eng translation for stuff like 構想

>>19107547
epwing pack in the cor has plenty of j->j dictionaries

Does anyone have a digital copy of 太陽と鉄 by 三島由紀夫？

I have a physical book, but I'd really prefer an e-book.

>>19107547
>Are 支障 and 障害 about the same?
Mostly yes, but I would be careful with 障害, because that's what they use for physical/mental disabilities.
>何様
It's some kind of "who the fuck do you think you are" kind of question

>>19107547
支障 is more for literal obstacles like pic related
障害 is for mental and physical disabilities like that other anon said.

>>19107630
>>19107607
>>19107597
thank you, and I'll get it asap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0_dLdEnW2k
>mfw trying to learn Japanese

I think I'm in love.

honestly, FUCK people who make shitty blurry scans with stone age equipment

Sorry for dumb question but is there any ebook store with manga where you just pay for the book and can directly download the masterfile in some regular format and handle it as you please (reader, CDisplay, whatever)? Every ebook store I know demands you buy it through some retarded app you also have to use for reading it or through kindle. Is there seriously nothing like Bandcamp for manga where you pay for an album and can download FLAC, mp3 or stream it as you like? Like buying a volume and the deciding whether you want to read it through the shops app or download 2400px/1800px/1200px cbr file whatever you want.

>>19108000
Nope. Welcome to DRM. Kindle's is the easiest to strip.

>>19108000
This is the future you chose.

Is there a good quick OCR app for Windows / browser? I really like how I can scan just about anything with something like Google translate on my phone. Wish I could do the same on PC.

How does one type in a person's name that has only kanji and is not that common?

いまなにしてるの

>>19108148
The same way you type every other word?

>>19108156
読者となる

>>19108161
But the name won't pop up in the IME's menu.

>>19108148
type words you know that contain the kanji and delete the rest

>>19108156
人狼ジャッジメント

>>19108166
Then you type in other words using these kanji and delete what you don't need

>>19107962
I know that feel, Yotsuba's adorable.

>>19108208
もらいゆ

しないの？

>>19108172
>>19108190
Why are you helping this man, if he can't figure something this easy out by himself, he won't be able to learn Japanese in ten lifetimes.

do you listen to music when doing reps?

does it distract too much?
does it make the reps more comfortable and thus efficient because more relaxed?

what do djt?

>>19108137
Capture2Text is solid. Read the guide, anon, it's all there.

>>19108156
その知識は君にまだ速い

黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人
>>19108242
sugoi

>>19108156
シコシコしてるよ
いいヘンタイ漫画を薦めてください

chingchong ping pong ni hao ma

日本人はいますか？

>can't remember some card for the life of me in anki to the point of it becoming a leech
>encounter it while reading and remember everything about it
At this point I've stopped giving a fuck about anki and just click easy or hard on things I didn't guess.

>>19108242
人にとっては別々だけど俺は静かな音楽よく聴きます

>>19108281
俺が駆除したからもういないぜﾍﾙｲｪｱ!!!

>>19108343
黒人

>>19108255
早いだよね

っておい

>>19108298
バッハがいいとおもう

>>19108239
I was actually already doing it that way but I was hoping there was a smarter method.

誰かがチーズピザを投稿できますか？

>>19108396
The smarter method is adding the word to you IME's user dictionary

>>19108156
なんでもねぇよ

>>19108000
>Like buying a volume and the deciding whether you want to read it
Manga isn't reading though.

fuck off retard

>>19108000
Write them an angry letter and tell them to stick their shitty formats up their asses.

おはよう。

Has anyone tried "Tanoshiku Yomou Read Japanese"? Seems nice.

>>19108645
No. Read compelling content, not textbooks trying to imitate japanese.

>>19108679
I haven't found any content compelling lately, in any language :(

>>19108696
Then why the fuck are you learning japanese?

>>19108529
Based

Content that you can barely understand just ruins the experience and makes a later rewatch or reread shit.

>>19108000
Buy it from Rakuten, download it via the desktop Kobo program and use Calibre to strip the DRM.
https://www.epubor.com/convert-kobo-kepub-to-epub-and-remove-drm.html

>>19108021
>Kindle's is the easiest to strip.
Rakuten DRM is incredibly simple, there's even a Calibre plugin for it. It's similar to stripping Kindle DRM but quicker and easier. That is the reason why I stopped with Amazon for manga and use Rakuten instead. The desktop Kobo app isn't great but either is the Kindle app.

みんなゲンキ ?

I am almost 25 and I feel old. Is there any hope for me to learn Japanese from scratch till I get to 30? I already know two languages and kinda scared that it'd take forever.

>>19108948
>Is there any hope for me to learn Japanese from scratch till I get to 30?
Sure. Unless you stay in this thread that is.

>>19108948
I'm almost 25, feel old and know two languages too. Don't give up, dude.

>finally getting familiar with kana input instead of fucking around with romanji

There is an English speaker in everyone's mind. Your goal is to kill him.

>>19109035
>romanji

sempai

>>19109035
>using romaji at all

>>19108948
What other languages do you know? And do you have enough free time to dedicate 4 hours a day to Japanese while leaving time for your other hobbies?

It's definitely possible, you just have to make up for the lost time by being really hardcore (not to the point of being overwhelmed, that actually worsens your memory).

>>19109106
>you need to study 4 hours per day to learn Japanese in 5 years

djtの成功者いますか

>>19109142
Not necessarly 5 years. If you study hard and don't slack off, you can be almost fluent in 3 years max.

What's the kana on the right?
It looks like た, but it has a handakuten mark so it can't be it.

>learning Japanese
Weebs.

>>19109247
たぶん、「ぱたぱた」
を よりあほっぽく 書いているんだと思う
(sounds more flatly)
なお発音不能

>>19109247
はたﾟはたﾟ

Is there a way to import an ordered list of RTK Kanji from a text file into a deck I've been making? Specifically such that the Kanji are put in the "back" field of that deck?

>>19109106
>What other languages do you know?
English and one other slav language.
>to dedicate 4 hours
Well I can't force myself to study for 4hrs straight. By studying I mean grinding grammar rules and vocab deck shit. Though reading with dictionary seems more enjoyable and I can see myself spending a lot of time in the future doing that.

>と思う

光

Post a more beautiful kanji.

敗

鬱

What's the difference between 少 and 小 and when should I use each one? They sound identical in compound words and apparently mean the same thing.

Why do 少女 and 小学生 use one and not the other?

What's the difference between 物 and 者 and when should I use each one? They sound identical and apparently mean the same thing.

>>19109409
美

>>19109035
> There is an English speaker in everyone's mind.
Anglocentric scum.
Unless by "speaker" you mean it in a more general sense. And if so, your statement is wrong. The goal is to develop a Japanese speaker within your mind, without doing any damage to your knowledge of other foreign languages.

..."other foreign languages", who the fuck am I kidding, you're obviously a filthy EOP.

>>19109515
I've only seen 者 used for eople, such as 若者 in the core 2k deck

>>19109500
You should try to get away from the idea that kanji have meanings on their own that you can compare.
Kanji are used to write words. Those words have meanings. Sometimes you only need a single kanji to write a word, but the thing that has the meaning is the word, not the kanji itself.
So...what's the difference between 少し and 小さい?

muh /jp/sies.私は日本に行くつもりです。妓院で初エッチのために。7月だけできる。相手/友達と日本に行脚しなければならない。お願い！！！ここで誰でもは日本もうすんでいますか?
私の連絡:
Varappi#5191

>>19109662
"muh /jp/sies" and です/ます don't fit together. Decide whether you want to be polite or casual and stick to it.

>>19109303
Never mind. In case someone else ever searches for something like this, I found a couple solutions. The first solution, and which is probably the easiest, is that you can google search for spreadsheets made from people on koohii that already have the RTK Kanji formatted appropriately, with columns for the keywords and other additional information. Then google how to import spreadsheets/excel files into Anki, using column headers in excel to import those columns into appropriate fields in your cards. There's a tutorial for this on youtube.

I found another solution after I discovered the existence of csv files. I googled some site that converts txt to csv. I copy pasted the list of Kanji and the site automatically placed commas between all the Kanji. Then using libreoffice writer I used "find and replace" to replace all the commas with "\n" without quotation marks, and with "regular expressions" enabled. This put a line break after every Kanji, which placed the Kanji into a column instead of across rows. Then I opened the columned list of Kanji in excel and moved them under the header for the field I wanted them to be. Figuring this out wasn't worth it so fuck me.

>>19108287
Do sentence cards

>>19109743
You know what's better than sentence cards? Reading more.

>>19109743
Thank you, based mattat.

席

How can one kanji be this aids to write?

it's not the prospect of memorizing thousands of kanji i'm worried about it's the prospect of the monolingual transition that has me terrified

>>19109776
You mean the 廿 radical?

>>19109816
Yes, how it fits in with the rest. I always fuck up the spacing between the two top horizontal lines as well as their length. Maybe I'm just writing too big.

In English you cross your t's. You draw the vertical line and then cut it with the horizontal line. With Kanji the proper stroke order is to draw the vertical cutting line last. It's interesting how backwards the Japanese are.

>>19109827
Just practice with 事 and everything'll become easier.

>>19109837
i mean manga is ~*~*~*~**~read~~*~*~**~ right to left so

>>19107605
No, and I doubt one exists, it doesn't even seem to be possible to buy digital editions of Mishima's books. There is a digital copy of Kinkakuji in the CoR though, whoever created and uploaded that is a hero.

>>19109851
No it's not read. Manga isn't reading.

>>19109933
yea it is

>>19109500
You have to learn the logic of Japanese.

As far as I know, 少 is normally used to refer to small quantities, while 小 is for things that are physically or metaphorically small.

The logic must be that a 少女 is not a full woman (her level of "womanness" is small compared to an actual 女), while 小学生 is a student of a "little" school, a school where they teach elementary level shit. It's really weird, though.

Is manga reading?

>>19109933
brb, playing manga

>>19109837
I gave up on stroke order almost immediately. As long as I know how many strokes it is and where the strokes go, it works. I ain't no calligraphist.

>>19110036
see >>19109933

くそやliterallyfuckingasopposedtofigurativelyろおおおおおお！！！

琵琶　びわ
枇杷　びわ
Why?

>>19110408
why not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMELtsHiSs

>>19109691
/jp/の皆さん。私は日本に行くつもりです。妓院で初エッチのために。7月だけできます。相手/友達と日本に行脚しなければならません。お願いします！ここで誰でもは日本もうすんでいますか
私の連絡:
Varappi#5191

>>19110891
You get a star for trying.

I took a break from Japanese to learn Korean for a month. It was interesting but I made very little progress. If anyone else wants to learn it, I recommend the Korean From Zero website. It is free and every vocabulary/dialogue has 2-3 audio recording from native speakers that are easy to replay.

Taking a break from Japanese and DJT was nice, but I'll probably be back in a couple more weeks.

i dont wanna learn korean from a zero

Korea is antithetical to the 和. A true yamatodamashii is incapable of feeling anything but contempt for the subhuman Korean language.

I am too retarded to know how to use が and は

は for what youre talking about が for everything else

>>19111006
this is beautiful japanese onna

>>19111056
は adds things to the context, が marks the grammatical subject of the sentence.
They do completely different things, it just seems like they're similar because you can omit the subject if it's obvious from the context.

>>19111006
She uses pretty lewd examples something.

>>19111037
That would explain my innate hatred towards koreans.

>>19107547
何様 is kind of like a way to say "who are you?" (何様だよ?) but in a bothered way. i.e. "Who do you think you are?" (自分を何様だと思っているんだ)

>>19109409
驪

>>19108298
>人にとっては別々だ
Japanese isn't English. I know what you're trying to say, but you're not saying it right.

>>19109409
糞

おはようおにいちゃん

なつこみのじゅんびできてる？

はちがつじゅうじゅういちじゅうにだよ

>>19111077
やっぱりね、僕は本当にばかだ。君にわかりませんでしただから

>>19111222
おはよう、妹よ
夏コミは楽しみだな
お前らのお気に入りのサークルはなんだ？同人誌でも音楽でも何でもいいから早く教えろよ

何thefuck言ってんだ

>>19111283
おまたい

>>19110979
>I recommend the Korean From Zero website
Thanks.
Not planning to learn Korean in the near future (already putting efforts on learning German and enjoying Japanese beyond N1) but I am still curious about the basics of this language

>>19108916
Stripping kindle DRM is just a calibre plugin too.

Isn't こんなに the adverbial form?

>>19111253

>>19111336
it means that it doesn't replace な with に for its adverbial form like actual な adjectives do

Should I give up? 2000 Kanji which Japanese learn over the course of 10 years seems impossible. So far my progress has been good but this is utterly discouraging, especially when everyone of the kanji has 2-8 readings

>>19111413
>Should I give up?
Yes.

>>19111413
>when everyone of the kanji has 2-8 readings
>learning individual kanji readings

i desperately want to learn nihongo with anki but i keep getting this error when i try to install it on knoppix

>>19111413
>he thinks it's only 2000 kanji

>>19111443
2000 essential, dumb weeb

>>19111413
>Should I give up?
Yes, but unironically. If you don't enjoy the stupid difficulty curve of the language, perhaps it is not for you. I'd compare it to how touhou games are attractive for the autists because the challenge is satisfying.

>>19111461
more like nihongo is like a shmup except that you want to get hit by all the things as much as possible all the time

>>19111413
As long as you keep studying you will eventually learn Japanese. The only way to fail is giving up.

Did anyone learn Japanese without reading Yotsuba as his first material?

yeah anyone who wasnt a dork that came to this thread before learning nihongo lol

>>19111452
if you ever plan on reading something besides manga you'll need a lot more than that

>>19111492
You don't "read" manga though.

kanji isnt a big deal when you have a computer connected to the internet

learning nihongo on the other hand.. ┐('～`;)┌

>>19111413
it's always hardest at the start. my advice is to try your best to read kanji in context as early as you practically can (even better if you can listen to a native read the text).
your rate of learning kanji will go up exponentially once you figure out the general rules and patterns they follow. and even using your rough numbers of 2000 kanji / 10 years, that just boils down to less than 4 kanji a week. not difficult by any means. I'm sure you can learn much faster than that.

>>19111413
You can do it in two years, easily.

Should I take a quick read of Tae Kim grammar over a couple of days and rush reading rather than spend copule of months going slowly over every lesson and grinding flashcards? I never liked learnming words out of context anyway.

えっと

I need your help for studying Engrish.

>>19111627
You won't learn Japanese without taking some classes to get a solid foundation. Ignore /djt/ memes. Look at the facts. The people getting jobs in embassies or localization companies are the ones who took college classes. The people sitting at home in their parents' basement are the ones recommending the /djt/ method.

えっとわたしはゲイ

>>19111664
>The people getting jobs in embassies or localization companies are the ones who took college classes.
I can't say anything about embassies but it's absolutely not true about people working on localization companies.

>>19111664
That's because weebs sitting in their basement have no interest in linguistics. They want to know nihongo so they can watch anime and pretend to be Japanese.

>>19111664

>>19111664
>college classes
My acquaintaince picked "Japanese language" during for his college course, that was the moment me and yet one more guy decided to pick up Japanese as well, basically "we'll learn alongside you". Two months later we were by far outpacing him with our self study, and after the semester ended he stopped learning while we persisted. He no longer remembers hiragana while I aim to pass N1 next year. So there go college classes.

Japanese studies/Japanology are a different thing, people studying it do get really good grasp of the language at the expense of being absolutely worthless at anything beyond speaking chink tongue.

スーパーでかっこいいデザインのカップヌードル売ってた
皆もカップヌードル食おうぜ

>>19111664
>look at the facts
>followed by a sweeping generalization that can in no way be construed as a fact

Put some effort into it at least

is 数十分 a literal 10 minutes as 十 suggests or is it dozens of minutes?

>>19109212
失敗者ばかりです

>>19111734
>数十分
https://jisho.org/search/%E6%95%B0%E5%8D%81

Do you people have a few reddit pastas at hand so you can always reply accordingly?

>>19111717
t. Nissin

>>19111740
The subreddit is honestly so fucking atrocious that you can go on the front page at any time and find some.

>If you are struggling, consider taking an online therapy session with BetterHelp. Because you are worth it.

>>19111717
あのんは

デザインでおなかがふくれるの？

>>19111413
Whenever you feel discouraged, or you feel like giving up; if you feel like you can't learn japanese remind yourself of the fact that Stephanie Joosten was able to get N1 Japanese Language Proficiency. If that woman can do it so can you. (She started learning at age 15 or so though)

anyone know where i can get tokage by yoshimoto banana? it's not in the cornucopia of resources

>>19111737
みんな大変だね

Do japs chinks and gooks hate each other and vice versa?

>>19111791
check out a nearby book-off for epic win

>>19111797
everyone actually likes each other and lives in harmony

>>19111791
Yeah, you should be able to buy it on amazon.co.jp.

You can't learn japanese without watching terrace house

>>19111828
outta here with that normalfag shit bye

you cant learn japanese unless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw8R2AUuz5w#t=1300

Reading more is epic and all, but what about listening more?

>>19111899
that works too

>>19111211
I'm not really anywhere close to being good enough for output so I was just fucking around.
皆は特別はどうかな？

>>19111899
hkbk only has a couple episodes left before they're done. what will i listen to when the time comes? i'm scared.

>>19111899
Anime isn't listening

先輩に褒められるなんて、嬉しいです
I don't get it, に can be used as "by"?

>>19111913
特別のは君こそ

>>19111922
"You" isn't "learning"

>>19111925
アリガトウゴザイマス

>>19111913
人による・よって (depends on the person)
場合による (depends on the case) and 状況による (depends on the circumstances/situation) are also very common
in your context: 音楽の趣味（性癖）は人による

>>19111924
With passive verbs に works as a "from" instead of a "to"

>>19111924
yes

>>19111924
It's one of those things I know, but can't explain. Feels good.

>>19111950
>>19111954
Does tae kim ever mention it?
Thanks a lot.

>>19111964
yes

Anyone else have easier time remembering rules + grammar more than the vocab itself?

>>19111969
Yes. Learning to understand grammar is by far the easiest part of learning Japanese, at least if you intend to get very good at it.

>>19111899
listening is also best served with seeing

>>19111973
hardest*

>>19111994
You aren't learning Japanese.

this is how reading katakana feels sometimes

>>19111509
>even better if you can listen to a native read the text
I wish there were a repository for this kind of stuff. I think lingq has a ton of text that is accompanied by audio but I'm assuming it's all behind a paywall.

>>19112023
Ok, but katakana isn't reading.

>>19112030
Just watch kizuna ai doki doki playthrough my dude.

okay but djt isn't reading

Learning Japanese isn't learning.

i wish djt wasnt posting

>>19112030
yeah, there are plenty of ways to get that "reading along" feel for casual conversation (variety shows, youtube, eroge) but not much for more formal prose.
LibriVox has public domain audiobooks in several languages, and Japanese is one of them.
https://librivox.org/search?primary_key=35&search_category=language&search_page=1&search_form=get_results
besides that, maybe close-captioned news?

>>19112030
>I wish there were a repository for this kind of stuff.
>VN's
>JapanesePod101

チクタク

>>19112030
>I think lingq has a ton of text that is accompanied by audio but I'm assuming it's all behind a paywall.
All the content on LingQ is available for free. You only have to pay if you want to use their system.

日本語はちんぷんかんぷんばっかり

At what of unique kanji did you guys stop seeing new kanji frequently?

>>19112265
over 9000

>>19112265
tree fiddy

>>19112265
rough guess, but I probably know from half to maybe 3/4 of joyo kanji. reading manga's usually fine (look up kanji once every several chapters) unless it's chuunishit or talking about something technical and specialized like science, engineering.
if it's something like news, blog posts, or other writing for an adult audience, there will likely be at least a couple unfamiliar kanji in each article

>>19112306
that's retarded, I know 1600 kanji and I have to look new ones up every page when some 肥 type shit shows up

Imagine needing over 50k symbols to represent your language when you only actually need 26.

>over 50k

>>19112316
kakeru

imagine being able to read 5 times faster in an efficient language such as nippongo as opposed to the inefficient english language lmao

imagine writing unintelligible sentences with syllabaries when you could only use efficient, beautiful hanzi

>nihongo
>efficient
ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

imagine your name being 18 letters when it could be 4

roman letters was a mistake

>>19112306
"manga's" isn't reading.

>>19112314
it just depends on how well your set of known kanji matches up with whatever you're reading. text "complexity" and the number of learned kanji are just rough estimators. I'm familiar with nautical/military terms and can read kancolle stuff more easily than, say, a medical drama.

>>19112316
>what is information density

>>19112323
>Hur dur kanji disambiguates it
掛ける has about a billion meanings.

>>19112265
I'm this guy here >>19111530
I very rarely see new kanji. If I get confused it's usually in rarer kanji that I've only mined once or twice.

>>19112314
>some 肥 type shit
肥沃 came to mind.

>>19112339
>18 letters=30 strokes (or 3-4 strokes in cursive)
>4 "letters"=54 strokes
Yeah, no.

>>19112359
and god forbid you have a 3 kanji name

How do you say fuck and fucking in nihongo

I've been watching anime raw but I would say over 75% of the shit goes over my head. How many anime do I need to watch with shitty comprehension before I can finally understand what's going on?
My thought is that I am learning words while reading and as I introduce more words via reading, I will start picking up on them as I hear them such that it is not necessary to actively study the dialogue of the anime I am watching.
Should I be actively studying the dialogues? I'm so tired.
>>19112359
>わるつ
>一二三

>>19112378
クソ and クソが

>>19112378
気持ちいい

>>19112378
ファックとファッキング

>>19112378
poop and pee

>>19112386
that's shit not fuck

>>19112399
your post is shit not fuck

>>19112378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcO_U9Jceps

>>19112359
>cursive
That's what it's called? What the fuck? I've always written by connecting all the letters with small lines, rarely separating the pencil from the paper. I didn't write the letters at a weird angle, though, so I didn't consider it cursive.

Do people actually just put a space between the letters without actually connecting them? What the hell? Isn't it awkward to have to make sure that the spaces between letters are small enough so that they can't be confused with the spaces between words? I don't have enough precision to do that after every single letter.

haha let me guess, you're still not studying Japanese solely in Japanese?

I don't have the confidence to jump into jp-jp dictionaries yet, give me 3 months.

>>19112468
If I could study anything in Japanese, I wouldn't need to study Japanese anymore.

ンシ - If you draw a horizontal line at the top, it will only connect with one of the dots.

ソツ - If you draw a horizontal line at the top, it will connect with all the strokes.

There, I solved it for you.

>>19112458
>Do people actually just put a space between the letters without actually connecting them?
On most legal or governmental form, you have to write the letters separately to ensure optimal legibility, and those forms ask for your proper signature on the same form anyway. But otherwise, no real reason to write in separate letters unless you're simply that bad at cursive.

シツソン
shit son
2211
-||-

the cursive they teach anglos in schools is one of the worst forms of cursive that exists

>>19112485
what's wrong with it

>>19112481
One pair has all strokes starting at the top, one pair has all strokes starting at the left, why are you overcomplicating this?

>>19112500
I find it easier to recognize them quickly if I imagine a line on top and see if it touches the strokes. It's like playing sudoku and imagining the numbers shooting out lasers in all four directions, leaving only a single safe space for you to put that number.

>>19112515
I just look at what direction the smiley face is looking

>>19112519
How do you deal with these one-eyed minion-ass motherfuckers? ソン

I can't see them as faces.

>>19112526
just see them as little mike wazowskis

>>19112526
they're sideways faces with only one eye visible, as if you're seeing them in profile.

>>19112535
Your Jewish landlord?

>>19112526
ソ is looking to the left because the mouth thingy is like a wall blocking the view to the left. ン is peeking over the thingy, so he can look to the right.

>>19112545
he's polish actually

>>19112547
*blocking the view to the RIGHT

I have never watched a raw episode of anime. So I am going to commit to watching 60 episodes by the end of June. About 2 per day. I'll report back if I notice any difference in comprehension when I finish.

>>19112560
Thank you. I can only manage one a day and it hasn't gotten better. CGDCT/SoL is all I can comprehend.

>>19112560
>About 2 per day
Make it 10 per day

how many radicals of a kanji should i learn per day

>>19112616
All of them every day

how many episodes of naurto do i ahve to watch to become real ninja

>>19112596
SMART goals are specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, and time-bound. I don't think is 10 per day is achievable for me right now, so I'm starting at 2. A reasonable goal that you reach is better than an overly ambitious goal that you give up on.

>>19112659
Keep it up for 5000 days and you will reach the 10000 hours required for fluency

N3 by end of October
Is it possible?

>>19112670
For you? No

>>19112670
For you? Yes

>>19112670
For me? Yes

>>19112657
probably just the chuunin arc

>>19112670
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-Language_Proficiency_Test#Estimated_study_time

1000 hours / 157 days = 6.36 hours.

If you put in the time, sure.

>>19112692
So, everything after the chuunin exams?

>>19112697
Those are classroom hours, so the actual requirement is closer to 1 hour per day if you are actually studying and not just repeating watashi ha amerikajin desu after a teacher.

>>19112697
>students residing in Japan

Wee I started memorizing hiragana today and I pieced together some easy stuff people said in this thread. This is a nice feeling.

if youre sick of all the bull shit in these threads and just really want to learn nihongo this is for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwaHSesrXVo

>>19112753
白痴妹's deranged ramblings aren't reading.

>>19110979
>Korean From Zero
thanks anon
i've been interested to start learning

need a break from japanese too

>>19111201
what's this why doesn't yomichan pick it up

>>19112753
dont read the shit japanese of the morons in this thread

>>19112755
thank god for thumbnail previews

>>19112772
nice self own

>>19112767
Rikaichan is a much smarter girl

>>19112813
そらが

おちてきそう

>>19112825
イミフ

So there's this song called 空気力学少女と少年の歌 but I'm not sure how to interpret it
>the song of the aerodynamics girl and the boy
>the aerodynamics song of the girl and the boy
>the song of the aerodynamics girl and the aerodynamics boy
>the aerodynamics girl and the song of the boy

man what the fuck

>>19112877
The need to read more of anon

>>19112877
空気力学 modifies 少女, の歌 is ambiguous whether it belongs to just 少年 or the whole phrase 空気力学少女と少年 (this kind of ambiguous possession is common. you can usually figure it out through context, and if not, then there's a chance the ambiguity is intentional)

>>19112917
Alright, that's more or less what I figured. This stuff is annoying in places like song titles where you can't really figure it out from context.

>>19112877
It kind of implies that the boy and girl "studied" the thing, even if it's not explicitly stated. The word mathematics (数学) uses the same 学. It's like "the study of..." but it's actually part of the word itself.

>>19112920
Have you tried reading the lyrics?

>>19112925
it could easily be「 空気力学少女」と「少年の歌」depending on the lyrics

>>19112917
Why does a noun modify another, though? Is there an indication? Is a particle being dropped?

私は弟とセックスしてしまいました。弟は１８歳私は２２歳です。

ある夜弟と２人きりの夜、私がお風呂から上がり
脱衣場でタオル巻いて髪を乾かしていたら突然弟が入ってきて
「好きだ！」と叫んで抱きついてきました。
私は「やめて！何考えてんの！」と叫びましたが
弟は乳を揉んできて、アソコを触ってきました。
私もご無沙汰だったので、少し興奮したので許し
もう一度２人でお風呂に入り、やってしまいました。
それ以来、２人きりになると
必ずセックスしてしまいます。
私は駄目な兄なのでしょうか？

>>19112928
I think I couldn't find them, or that might've been another song from this OST. Pretty sure the lyrics are just mostly nonsense, though.

>>19112949
そんな話を聞きたくない

>>19112937
Japanese nouns modifying other nouns is similar to how it works in English. "non-competition clause" "car battery" "weapon emplacement"
>indication
again, similar to English. you see two nouns next to each other and the whole phrase doesn't have a dictionary entry, it's probably noun modifying noun.
>particle being dropped
I guess you can view it like that for some cases (such as an implied の), but not all cases will abide by that rule. it's better to think of it like the English examples above.

>>19112949
お前は女？

>>19112949
>兄な
私はこの言葉よく分からないですが…
兄ですか？すなわちお前は男？

>>19112951
天使の科学　空気力学
屋上の縁にたち　見下ろす世界は
消えてなくなる　言葉に溢れてる
さあ　飛び出せ　羽ばたけ　私の翼よ　今

神様の声　空気力学
ギリギリの場所に立ち　見上げる世界で
生まれた言葉　空を埋め尽くすよ
さあ　吐き出せ　世界を　創り直すんだ　

空の青　水に変わり　溺れる人々
世界が沈み　私は輝く翼で
水を掻き分けて　行くんだ
あなたに届く力で　飛ぶんだ　沈んだ世界を　今

少女の夢は　空気力学
好きな人　傍に立ち　見つめていたいの
言葉少なく　空気のように　ただ
さあ　吐き出す　勇気を　好きという言葉
だから　今だけは　空気力学少女と少年の詩を　聞かせて

再生の象徴の魚
消滅を司る鳥たち
私の空気力学
飛ぶんだ　ただ　ひたすらにね
きっと　届くはずさ　今

>>19112949
立派な近親相姦の話だと思ったらホモかよ…

>>19112974
多分男みたい
駄目って当然です。

みんな元気?

>>19113053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuVm6T__qlo

>>19113053
いつもとおなじようで

いつもちがうきょう

fly go machine

Are the stories on NHK Easy even real?

まぁ毎日楽しいけどね

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q13139677118

>>19113088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw27QuFhwc8#t=73

Posting rap videos should be a bannable offense.

>>19113068
they're called "stories" for a reason

>>19113116
you should just learn nihongo instead of complain

そけいぶがいたい

>>19113062
I believe this 行 has an 行う nuance, not 行く.

>>19113116
>banning lowercase shitposter
This thread would become another /r/learnjapanese.

I think I'm getting depressed. Started in April and was feeling really good about myself and really happy with my progress. I got to May and have been spiraling down. I can't tell any of these kanji a part, they all look the same. I'm basically just guessing at words in core until I get the card right. I'm a stupid American who has never accomplished anything and has no idea how to learn a language. I just want to actually do something for once.

>>19113197
I believe you're talking out of your ass

>>19113252
You actually came here asking for motivation?
You're not gonna make it kid go bad to reddit.

>>19113252
sounds like you need a break from the flash cards.
do other exercises like listening, simple sentences, reading comprehension. lots of the online resources will have workbook-style stuff to go through. if the earlier exercises seem too easy, then congratulations: that's a sign of your progress so far.
get a native-speaking pen-pal. if you're not good enough to talk in Japanese, look for someone looking to speak English--there are plenty out there. in fact, from experience, there are probably more who want to converse in English than in Japanese.
dont give up, anon

>>19108156
漫画読む

>>19113290
なによんでるの

おしえてください

ナルト

>>19113282
You don't know Japanese.

>>19113295
これです
ちなみにアニメが発表された

>>19113300
even beginners can tell you're wrong

葉っぱ一枚あればいい
生きているからラッキーだ

>>19113252
You don't know Japanese.

Manga isn't reading.

>>19113295
『わたしはゲイ』
著者：>>19113323

わたしの言ったとおりになるでしょう

>>19113303
よんだことないけど

>ヨーロピアン・ハートフル・カラクリ・アクション

おもしろいやつだとおもう

>>19113252
So cut the new Core cards way down and actually learn some stuff from another source while just maintaining your reviews. Read some Tae Kim/Imabi/Genki/JtMW/whatever. Take notes (using kanji, including those you haven't seen in flashcards) by hand and study some grammar.

You suck at Japanese, you will suck at Japanese a year from now too, but that doesn't mean you should give up. No one ever learned Japanese in 2 months. If you don't want to be a stupid American who never accomplishes anything you need to stop deciding you're okay being a stupid American who never accomplishes anything whenever something isn't easy instant gratification.

>>19113319
Then please tell me how I'm wrong.

>>19112265
I don't know what frequently for you but after 5k kanji I meet 0-10 per book, I could say it's frequent enough. If I had read a book every day as I used to do in my native language, I would have seen dozens of new kanji every week.

>>19113333
実は私が第一章だけ読みましたけど
うん面白い
迫力ある

>>19113360
So what you're saying is that the ride never ends?
I just want to get good enough at Japanese that I will have time for other hobbies ;_;

>>19113365
ちゃんところがりそう

いいかんじだね

Please help me decipher this.
Did she misspell something?

>>19112347
>I very rarely see new kanji. If I get confused it's usually in rarer kanji that I've only mined once or twice.
Start reading. 2.5k kanji is like nothing for reading. One time kanji from visual novel I read, for example.
>>19113370
No, just sometime you realize that the really important thing is knowing words. It's not a burden at all to look up 20 new words with new kanji but looking up 500 or more words per novel really is.

>>19113381
おもてなし

>>19113352
飛んで行く機械　→ 飛行機

please share how you'd interpret it using 行う

>>19113394
And last book.

This language has no reason to be as fucking complicated as it is. Jesus.

>>19113417
But it is the way it is and there's nothing you can do about it, so better get used to it.

>>19113394
2.5k isn't nothing, it's at least halfway there

I'm around 4k and the only ones I'm sure I've never seen are 櫺 and 頤

>>19113417
It's not complicated, just different.
Learning European languages seems easier because they all have a lot in common.

>>19113406
And you can clearly see that there are pretty rare kanji that appear more than once and a lot of really common 常用 with only one occurrence. You can encounter literally anything while reading.
>>19113457
4k is okay if we don't count unsimplified forms.

Are writers just being pretentions assholes when they use kanji that half the people reading the book have never seen?

>>19113479
if there's a near-synonym which uses jouyou kanji, yes

for some nouns and shit it can't be helped

あたし

ただしいおもてなしの

くっつきかた

しらないかもしれない

>>19113479
writers are pretentious assholes regardless of language used

しらべたらこれだけでてきた

>じゅうぶんなおもてなしもできずあいすみません

くっつきかたしらべるところどこかないかなあ

Who else really bad at learning words here? About 800 words in, still stuck at 55% retention.

>>19113381
hostipality

>>19113504
You can't "learn" words.

>>19113457
Where have you seen 迢か, 怕れる, by the way?
>>19113481
Nah, imagine there are just words without kanjis. Any language has tons of synonyms which are more or less popular, if there happens to be kanji for a word writers want to use it's not their problem, there is furigana on most words with really rare kanji when they have doubts some people won't be able to read it. It's just that furigana exceedingly helps native speakers with obscure kanji since they know words while we gaijin will most likely see the words first time in kanji variants, so there is no point for us to learn it in kana first. For example, I had no clue what the fuck 縢る meant even with furigana as かがる because I had never seen this word.

あたし
普通の女の子に
戻れないぃぃ～

こいちじかん

いったいあたしは

なにをおぼえされられていたのだろう

かんがえてみたら

おもてなし

あまりしないとおもいました

>>19113518
>迢か
learned individually, never seen it in text. If a kanji has a low number of strokes sometimes I just pick it up and it usually takes minimal effort to remember.
>怕れる
extremely common hanzi in chinese, not hard to guess the reading based on okurigana
>縢る
one of the main characters in psycho-pass is named this

>>19113552
It's strange that you didn't remember 頤 then. It's a pretty common kanji for あご (there are really lots of them, I wonder why chinese and japanese love jaws so much)

> 親切

> 親
> 切

That's one fucked up definition of kindness.

>>19113794
Why?

>>19113794
せつ【切】
心をこめてするさま。ねんごろ。せち。「平和への―なる願い」「―に健闘を祈る」
身にしみて強く感じるさま。せち。「またなによりも―なりしは、大雪降って寒かりしに、秘蔵せし鉢の木を切り、火に焚きあてし志」〈謡・鉢木〉

fucked up indeed

>>19113802
Because the thinks that kanji have a single meaning, and learned "cut" for 切

>>19113811
No, because I'm trying to be funny.
I should probably stop posting.

I hate katakana so much.

>>19113829
Well buckle up that asshole buddy since a train is coming loaded with it if you want to learn this language

>>19113504
It's going to get worse if you don't do something about it. Leeches and non-mature cards in general snowball and your reviews get longer and worse. Reading is more important than anki, I drastically cut my pace to put more time into reading and I'm better at reading. Don't obsess over deck progress and numbers, anki doesn't measure how many words you know, it measures how many words you are intentionally reviewing through anki, that is all.

>>19113928
>anki doesn't measure how many words you know, it measures how many words you are intentionally reviewing through anki, that is all.
Huh i swear it was more useful than that

こんにちは

>記録もつけない
>I don't even keep a record.
>健康体であれば別に何度でも構わない
I know the words but I have no idea what this is trying to say. "If I had a healthy body"... what?
The rest of the page I understand.

A scanlation translates the whole panel as
>"I don't use it to check my health,
>but I keep using it regardless."
I don't know how they got that from the original text.

>>19114019
>健康体であれば
As long as I am healthy / stay healthy
>別に何度でも構わない
I don't mind doing it over and over again

>>19114019
おくれてるの？

ないの？

>>19113973
Intentional review can be useful, but actual language exposure is far more important. If it you do more anki than reading, or you end up so drained that you don't read at all, then it is being harmful to your learning. Anki can help, but it isn't a replacement for input.

I LOVE katakana. If you learned Hiragana it shouldn't be hard to learn Katakana.

>>19114111
ﾀﾞﾏﾚ

Has anyone using yomichan noticed that the Katakana audio is broken? It's always just the sound of a key clicking, almost like the person recording it was accidentally recording the entire time and clicked it off when he was going to speak.

>>19114147
That click is just the "no audio" sound. It's not exclusive to katakana.
Try it on names (for example 鈴木) or really obscure words.

is there some specific name for one-kanji words? like 火、日、兎、車 etc.

んー

んっんー

んんー

>>19113394
>Start reading.
I've been reading for years dude. I don't read visual novels though.

ちんぷんかんぷん

ウーパールーパー

I've been going through RTK but I don't think it is what I'm aiming for. I want to be able to speak Japanese too, and RTK doesn't include the kana pronunciations. Is it too much to try remembering the kanji symbol + meaning + kana at the same time?

>>19114395
there are too many readings for you to learn them with each single kanji
how many kanji have you gone through? come back when you've completed vol.1 and 3 of RTK

>>19114395
kanji readings are just a way the government systemized whether furigana need to be included on certain words in certain publications without listing every single word in existence

learn readings from words

also drop rtk

>someone who has actually learned Japanese tells me to use the RTK
>someone who's still learning Japanese and isn't even half as good as the other guy tells me not to use the RTK
hell, the dillema of deciding who to trust...

>>19114423
I hope that by "someone who has actually learned japanese" you don't mean matt

>>19114429
are you literally saying he can't speak Japanese?

>>19114423
the people i know who learned Japanese that recommend rtk outnumber the ones that don't by zero to hundreds oh wait

>>19114440
yes

>>19114395
Did you not read the introduction that tells you what RTK is for? Or even the front cover? It's very specific about what its purpose is.

>>19114443
how come you think that he can't speak Japanese if I saw a video of a Japanese person saying in English that Matt's Japanese is superb? and how come I saw a video of Matt talking freely with Japanese students in Japanese?
are these all proofs that he can't speak Japanese?

>>19114453
oh so it doesn't teach you Japanese that's funny i thought this was a Japanese learning thread

>>19114464
learning kanji and how to write it is part of the Japanese language retard, just like Latin script is part of yours

>>19114462
まあ you see まあ for someone まあ that まあ doesn't まあ know much まあ japanese まあ matt's japanese まあ might seem まあ pretty good まあ and that まあ is まあ also まあ the main まあ reason why まあ he まあ has so many まあ backers まあ on patreon まあ

>>19114473
pretty sure English exists even if you're not handwriting it

>>19114479
pretty sure a language exists also when you do handwrite it

>>19114478
oh, so you're just a bitter troll, have fun with your frustration, loser

>>19114464
Correct. It teaches you
>How not to forget the meaning and writing of Japanese characters
Which in itself does not teach you any Japanese. Again, this is literally on the cover.

>>19114488
hey matt nice to see you here are you enjoying scamming peop- I mean those hard-earned patreon bucks

>I-I won't learn how to grip a pencil firmly in my hand in order to write out words, because it doesn't directly teach me any Japanese

you make a fool out of yourself, logic is not your best friend

>>19114497
wow, so you are mad at him that he makes money you loser xD you believe in hard-earned money yet you pirate manga and visual novels, you double-faced troglodyte

>>19114506
ちゅぽちゅぽちゅぽちゅぽちゅぽちゅぽちゅぽっ
^ all that I could understand from your post keep sucking that matt チンポ my brother (チンポ means dick btw)

>some relative wants to give him $9000000
>n-no I won't take this money, I believe in hard-earned currency
>I-I will make money with my shitty Japanese

>>19114489
ok so why are you recommending it for people who want to start learning Japanese

>>19114513
>ちゅぽちゅぽちゅぽちゅぽちゅぽちゅぽちゅぽっ
that's about the peak of your 'Japanese'

>>19114506
I buy my manga fuck off and die

>>19114520
now in nihongo どうぞ

>>19114521
>he pays for manga
what a cuck, next thing you'll tell me you've never kissed a woman

>>19114526
I mean I'm gay so

>>19114529
that goes without saying, kinda like implied state-of-being

>>19114517
Me? I'm not.
It's not irrelevant, as being able to recognise kanji is obviously useful for reading Japanese. Whether it's useful enough to warrant the time commitment is another matter, and pretty hard to judge.

I think the biggest problem is the order of the characters which tells you not to read anything until you're done with it, rather than working through it while you start reading simple texts and recognising common kanji in the wild.

>>19114517
Because knowing how "How not to forget the meaning and writing of Japanese characters" is a useful skill for people who want to learn japanese.

if you want to get good at reading read
if you want to get good at conversations then have conversations
if you want to get good at writing then write
you don't need or want guidebooks written by people who don't know or care about the specifics of your life
radical freedom

>>19114552
>the only way to acquire this skill is to spend months on not learning Japanese

>>19114552
maybe if you already started learning and know you have problems
not if your haven't and don't know

>>19114570
also even in this case rtk is legit one of the worst possible tools for the job and Matt's argument that kklc is worse is wrong and lies about kklc's contents and method

>>19114563
I did not say that.

>>19114575
kklc is a clusterfuck with readings and sample words
RTK is simply and in this simplicity lies the power

>>19114590
okay then ignore the readings

there are no values arguments against sample words, they tell you what the keywords are trying to convey (you don't have to review them!) and being passively exposed to them makes them easier to learn

>>19114601
sorry tried to say valid but my browser autocorrected it because of a typo

>>19114601
>and being passively exposed to them makes them easier to learn
idk, it's not like you can prove that
and even if it did help would the difference warrant going for it and navigating through the complex layout instead of going for the RTK?

>>19114609
oh ok then please prove that rtk helps with learning Japanese lol

>>19114615
prove that it doesn't

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/8mnftd/25_kanji_a_day/

Lads you are literally having a reddit tier discussion right now

>>19114550
so what the hell is a good resource for actually learning japanese, such as how to speak it, common everyday phrases, etc.

>>19114609
KKLC's layout is not complex. It's just orderly, unlike RTK where frames can span pages for no good reason. It has more information for people who want to make more/different flashcards but that's irrelevant to actually using it.

>>19114631
I learned 25 kanji a day with RTK in what was less than 3-months-time + I watched raw shows and read news in Japanese
idk what those shitters are talking about with RTK being such a time waste

>>19114634
If only there was a guide that told you these things

>>19114628
don't need to

>>19114628
Mate you don't understand the concept of burden of proof, you can't learn Japanese.