/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>18938451
Does it have to be an ebook or will scans do?

Good OP.

>>18938701

>>18938863
>Fuck off!
>行ってらっしゃい！

If you know less than 5000 kanji you have no right to argue in this thread.

>>18938939
Define "know".

>>18938939
誰がargueしているのか？

>>18938939
Okay, sir.

Anyone got that image of a really long sentence being split into its constituent parts, like a sentence tree? So you have a lot of 'branches' coming down to the long sentence.

>>18938964
For every kanji, know at least one word for each of its 訓読み and at least two words for each of its 音読み

>>18938984
What about kanji with no kunyomi?

>>18938984
行ってらっしゃい

>>18938981
>Anyone got that image of a really long sentence being split into its constituent parts
what even is a 'sentence tree'?

>>18938997
Then 訓読み don't count, obviously. The point is to familiarise yourself with all the common cases where the kanji can be used.

>>18938964
Knowledge of main meanings and readings of kanjis, so you need to have information that word 阡陌 has two kanjis that have kun reading みち, the first kanji also has ON as せん that means "thousand" and the second one has a reading ひゃく and はく, meaning "hundred". You need to know most popular words with given kanjis and of course stroke order of any kanji.

>>18938967
皆が

>>18939046
>of course stroke order of any kanji
And what does 'knowing stroke order" mean? Do I need to be able to describe it, verbally? Do I need to actually be able to write it? Perfectly?

I want to learn more about how japanese grammar actually works in japanese. Any fairly easy to read resources?

>>18939067
No, just so you can precisely indicate stroke order of any kanji, not necessarily write everything.

>>18939076
Knowing stroke order without writing kanji isn't going to help you desu

>>18939046
>Knowledge of main meanings and readings of kanjis
That's useful but it's also a pain learning words from a kanji→word perspective due to how so many words will seemingly arbitrarily use different readings that don't follow any set patterns. Still faster than learning the words purely phonetically but still, kanji can feel like false friends sometimes.
A speed bump on a highway.

>>18939084
>A speed bump on a highway.
So it serves no purpose, gets people into accidents, and is all around annoying for anyone who experiences it?

>里志にとって重要なのは、里志が重要と思ったことだけだ。
Something like "as far as Satoshi is concerned, the only things that are important are the things he regards as important"?

>>18939224
それで合ってると思うよ
変わった文だけど

Orbit of phothon and universe

>>18939267
何？

>>18939224
あんまりぶくざつじゃないよ

>>18938145
はつおんは

>いちンちふツか

だよ

なんでそういうのかはしらないよ

>>18939081
Knowing stroke order is a must to "know" kanji by my definition.
>>18939084
I don't know what you're trying to say. To memorize the word or kanji effectively you have to make associations (mnemonics) and since japanese writing is one hell of world on its own it's not a problem in most cases. If you learn the word like 阡陌 and its kanjis it means that you know the majority of native japanese words\reading so it doesn't take any effort to connect kun reading to a single kanji (in this case みち). When I learn word like 燧烽 I instantly notice that it should have reading すいほう because it has "sounding part" as in 隧 and 遂 and the second is even more obvious with 逢, 峰, 蜂, 蓬, 縫, 鋒. And both kanjis have fire radical. So next I look up meaning in a dictionary and see that it essentially means のろし and also each kanji has this reading separately. Obviously there are elusive words and kanjis that require your brain to work slightly more but overall it's basically as said above.

>>18939269
人は何処へと歩いて行くの？

>>18939281
あめはうみへあるいていくよ

>>18939275
How do you make this?

>>18939286
かぼちゃってかいてあるじゃん

かぼちゃだよ

>>18939286
ふくざつな

おとなの

ぶんしょうは

こうだよ

>>18939296
>かぼちゃ
>>18939300
??

GitHub might as well be handwritten in Classical Japanese for all the sense it makes

>>18939308
とうなすじゃなくって

かぼちゃだよ

>>18939317
I'm just saying I have not even the slightest clue on how to begin using pumpkin

>>18939326
read かぼちゃ
look at the bottom of either of the images and see "CaboCha"
google "CaboCha"
woah would you look at that
http://taku910.github.io/cabocha/
https://github.com/taku910/cabocha

>>18939442
>http://taku910.github.io/cabocha/
>https://github.com/taku910/cabocha
Read >>18939308
>GitHub might as well be handwritten in Classical Japanese for all the sense it makes

こまったことがあります

たまごチャーハンは

びんぼうごはんですか

>looked up 鼻孔 in google images so I can put pictures in my anki deck for body parts
Disgusting.

>>18939513
そうだです。かもしれない。

>>18939525
あたし

そういうのきらい

>>18939639
I think I realized my favourite internet activity is watching the excited reactions of people on the internet, especially over the written medium, like Twitch or Discord or Twitter.

Learning Japanese just meant I get to read more of that. I'll have to keep on.

国枝史郎よもうかなとおもうんだけど

おすすめある？

>>18939823
>国枝史郎
作家のチョイスが渋いっすね…自分も何か一冊読んでみようかなあ↓
https://www.aozora.gr.jp/index_pages/person255.html

>>18939860
さんさつくらいよむー

みじかいし

これよみおわった

>紅白縮緬組

Shoutout to zero no tsukaima

In terms of difficulty it's like Yotsubato: LN Edition
And since it's raw text mining vocab is super comfy

>>18940031
It doesn't have an end, though

>>18940031
>In terms of difficulty it's like Yotsubato: LN Edition
So it's gotta lotta cash speak, issit?

>>18940042
They actually finished the series just last year. The last two novels were drafted from his notes so you can finally get the closure you've always wanted.

>>18940197
Was their ending any good?

>>18940321
Couldn't tell you. ZnT was the first light novel I read (in English) and I enjoyed it at the time but since then the series has sort of worn on me so I never did go back and finish it.

>this is an intermediate card
Sometimes I feel DoJG's ordering is just dumb.

『この時の私には知る由もなかった』
does this sentence translate to "I couldn't have known" or something along those lines? I can't quite get it, especially the この時の私 part

>>18940490
At this time I couldn't have known.

>>18940490
it was impossible for me to know at the time

>>18940490
Read it like this:
[この時の] 私 には 知る由もなかった

>>18939442
>python
>ruby
>js

>>18940490
由 in this sentence means "way, means". I'm surprised that there isn't the definition on jisho.

>>18940698
Because it's idiomatic. I take it you're EOP?

>>18940698
because it has the entire phase as a fixed expression

>>18940698
Put your mouse on 知 and you'll figure it out.

>>18940714
>>18940723
>>18940732
How the fuck does it change what I said? There is still no definition of 由 as "way" on jisho. This meaning is applicable to most of verbs.

>>18940756
You're a helpless case.

>>18940756
Listen, you would know what we're talking about if you knew more than one language. Every language has different set expressions in which the parts gain on new meaning only when used with other particular parts. Like the expression "running late", the definition of "running" in the way it's used here won't be in the dictionary, unless there's a co-occurrence section or something.

>doing reviews
>instead of just saying the first thing that pops into my head, second guess it half the time
>the vast majority of my first thoughts are the correct answer
Every time

minna genki?

>>18940876
hell yeah my favela ninja

>>18940890
thats what i like to hear

>>18940543
>>18940557
>>18940663
thanks

What kanji is that?

kanjikanas - important?

>>18941028
looks like 了

>>18941028
thats a upside down and flipped ¿

>>18940756
>There is still no definition of 由 as "way" on jisho.
辞書にのってるよ
https://kotobank.jp/word/由-650045
>よし【由／▽因】
>２ そうするための方法。手段。手だて。また、かこつける方法。口実。「知る―もない」「会う―もない」

How do you pronounce "?"?

>>18941063
?

>>18941028
>>18941055
>>18941058
>>18941063
>>18941065
The absolute state of this thread

>>18940756
>>18941061
あ、you meant jisho = jisho.org , not dictionary in general... my bad!

>>18941061
so I guess 会う由もない would be something like "(subject) couldn't meet (object)"

>>18941096
>会う由もない would be something like "(subject) couldn't meet (object)"
そのとおりです。"由~ない"≒"no way"
ただ、普通の会話ではあまり使われない気がします。
「由が(orも)ない」には、強調(for emphasis)や修辞(for rhetoric)のニュアンスがあります。

>>18941166
>、強調(for emphasis)や修辞(for rhetoric)

>>18939070
http://www.geocities.jp/niwasaburoo/maegaki.html
The site uses a weird encoding, so if you don't use firefox, you might have to figure out how you can change that.

theres nothing weird about it and that sites not really for normal shit

>>18941187
If you think about it rhetoric is just another form of emphasising something

>>18941478
I was referring to the tl notes.

>>18941423
EUC-JP definitely isn't a very common encoding, and the site does explain how japanese grammar works from a japanese point of view (I don't think I've seen english grammar resources use "noun-sentences", "adjective-sentences" and "verb-sentences" as a concept)

>>18941412
works on my machine

AJATT has actually become a sect.

>>18941881
you've only noticed that now?

>>18941881
Why are people in such a rush to learn Japanese anyways? It's a hobby, just enjoy it.

anyone know some worthwhile 90's to early-2000's stuff (basically everything that isn't translated)? most of the stuff on the reading list is boring moe or just outright dumb shit, so i can't really get interested in any of it.
i randomly picked up the first volume of 岳 and it's been pretty fun so far, although pretty easy. it's mostly climbing terms and mountain names i don't know, but they're easy to understand anyway because of the obvious kanji.

Let me ask you something...

If someone studied a musical instrument for six months and then "set up shop" (started teaching lessons), would you want to study with them? I know you want to make money, which is highly evident based on how you push the native audio files like a used car salesman LOL, but what gives you the right to be "educating" people when you are the one who needs to be educated? You might be morally fine with it based on your personality and environmental factors, but some of us are going to call you on it. I mean you can't even compete with George at this point, and that's pretty fucking sad bro because George is like an ant compared to Matt. In the real world, the most logical thing for you to do is become a 弟子 of someone like Matt before trying to run the show. Perhaps your Japanese partner (wife or GF) is giving you pressure about money? Many people are in the same situation, but you still have to do the right thing. The suckage of being an eikaiwa monkey will motivate you to really push up your standards in Japanese and allow you to make some good money at the same time. If you have what it takes, then you will eventually escape the industry. If not, you will stay trapped in the industry and look forward to nursing pints on the weekends at the Hub. In the end, it's all up to you.

You are fucking up the pronunciation of tons of basic words like "watashi." This is going to fuck people up from the get go just from listening to you. Do you fully understand the ramifications of what you are doing here?

>>18942028
LOOK MUMMY I DID IT AGAIN XDDDDD

Is this a pasta?

>>18942028
Nukemarine absolutely BTFO

>>18941977
A bit older than what you're looking for, but Kousaku Shima seemed interesting from the few chapters I read.

>>18941977
dna² for epic win

>>18942028
wartarshee wah gayっ

Hope you guys are reading good stuff!
pic related

>>18942213
>western meme game
Hope you hang yourself soon.

>>18942231
Yeah you're right, everything the West makes sucks, and everything Japan makes is awesome and sugoi!!!

>>18939087
For the rarer occasions but still faster overall compared to a school zone littered with buses, which represents learning words in a language like English.

>>18939277
>I instantly notice that it should have reading すいほう because it has "sounding part".
That's the thing: it's not that consistent. What you think "should" be read as doesn't always work like that because words typically existed before kanji and the kanji readings themselves have changed over time and were introduced at different stages, meaning many kanji have multiple "sounding part"s and in instances すいほう is actually すいぼう or しゅうぽう, etc. for historic reasons that sometimes follow a bit of a pattern but not always.
当て字, 義訓, 湯桶読み, 重箱読み. These and the aforementioned different sounding parts are those speed bumps. They aren't a huge issue but I feel they are aspects which get overlooked when people wax poetically about kanji from a learners point of view. Your focus on "meaning" I feel is rather misplaced because it isn't the general meaning of a character in a word that becomes harder to grasp, it's recalling the correct pronunciation of the word itself.

>>18942283
this but unironically

>>18942283
Thanks for understand. You can go back to /r/learnjapanese now

>>18941977
>anyone know some 90's to early-2000's stuff (basically everything that isn't translated)?
https://mokuroku.neocities.org/yotuba.html
Go to the bottom of the page and start scrolling up. It starts at 1977 and jumps to the late 90s rapidly. If something catches your eye you can read the first handful of pages online by selecting the cover image.

>>18942315
>>18942321
Yeah, why be a reasonable human being when you can be as pathetic as Davido. This is why people should sort their lives out before learning Japanese.

>>18942348
davidos is married to a japanese woman and is a father of 3 living the dream

where you at right now? this thread gettin stunted on daily by me and my lil homies

>>18942127
sounds cool. i've always skipped over salaryman manga because i thought it was exclusively for old Japanese men, but that's probably a bad assumption. thanks.
>>18942347
thanks a lot for this. i opened it up yesterday and closed it out without having looked at anything other than the title of the site. my bad.
>>18942155
this was probably a shitpost, especially seeing as Katsura is the king of dumbshit manga, but thanks anyway.

>>18942383
>married to a japanese woman and is a father of 3
Proof?

Hello,

I am an intermediate Japanese learner/native English speaker currently working in Tokyo. I recently finished Genki II (though I still find myself referencing it) and my current teacher has started me on 学ぼう！にほんご 中級, which is a Japanese-only textbook slanted towards those looking to take the N2 (I don't particularly care about the N2, but it is the book my teacher wants to use).

I have two questions for those of you who have been at this sort of stage :

1) I use Anki flashcards every day for vocabulary cards that I manually enter. I have found that my recall isn't cementing as quickly as I would like. Is there something that you could suggest to help with this? It feels like my vocabulary list is gradually getting out of hand as I have to keep revisiting words that I have recently been introduced to.

2) As I said earlier, 学ぼう！にほんご is a Japanese-only text. I've had one lesson where we used it so far and it was incredibly difficult - all of the grammar points were confusing in some way or another, and it was difficult to the point of frustration. This may have been compounded by the fact that my teacher doesn't speak English, but I feel like it is copping out (and slowing myself down) to switch to a side-by-side textbook like An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese. Was this lesson just a hit to my pride, or was it really an indication that I'm in a little too deep?

Thanks for any advice you can give :)

>>18942556
>>18942028
This thread may as well only be populated by bots at this point.

おはよう、俺大ゲイ。みんな？

>>18942566
おはよっす わたしもゲイ お友達になろう

>>18942566
おはよう、僕小ゲイ。じゃ、やりましょうか

>>18942579
いや、ちょっと...AIDSがうつったくない。

>>18942598
大丈夫だぜ

キミはもうすっかりfail aidsに染まっているようだ

>>18942556
>I am an intermediate Japanese learner.
>I recently finished Genki II

本当に

So I was translating something the other day and it used
やねてもらえなかった
which I translated as just couldn't stop with the help of my handy dandy translator assistant. As apparently らえなかった is can't. but I don't see anything looked up stems or such. am I just being a dummy?

>>18942758
why do you think you should be translating dude

>>18942762
was for myself.

>>18942779
やめてもらえませんか

>>18942802
Well unhelpfulness aside, I'd of normally translated it with もらえなかった being typical favor/recieve thing. but the translator I double checked with broke it up using らえなかった saying its to be, which I was unfamiliar with and don't see with some quick googling.
hence my confusion and asking here.

>>18942566
>>18942579
Isn't being ゲイ a binary thing? How would grading it even work?

>>18942855
>translator I double checked with
What translator?

>>18942855
>I'd of
Learn English first. Also sort your life out and get a job.

>>18942855
im literally confused what youre even asking its like youre ignoring the japanese entirely

im assuming your "translator" is software but if its a person you should ask them

>>18942873
Friendly reminder that the only people who bother to correct of -> have are ESLs

>>18942863
mazii, which I normally just throw things in after reading as a sanity check, and the context seemed a little weird to say it the way it was.
but throwing らえなかった and らえる into google and other translations do indicate that its a to be verb, however its not being listed elsewhere

>>18942873
>i would of
its perfectly fine english you bumbling fucktard.

>>18942878
it is. because i'm doing this as learning and I haven't come across the wording before and now I'm curious since normal websites aren't talking about it as they do typical to-be verbs

>>18942873
That's a relatively sure indicator that he's a native. No one who actually had to learn english would make that mistake, because it just doesn't make any sense, but people who talk like that all day just tend to write that kind of stuff.

>>18942882
the neet shamer is an esl what a surprise

i mean neet shaming is cool but like do it somewhere else were tryin to get these boys on that nihongo shit

>>18942882
That's not true at all. People who aren't Gen Z and who care to write proper English would also write it correctly.

>>18942889
>its perfectly fine english you bumbling fucktard.
The absolute state of this thread. No on should be learning Japanese when they can't even master something as easy as English.

>>18942892
>durrr I'm EOP so I can write horribly, only ESLs write proper English
This is what you sound like

>>18942889
so can you identify all the parts of it and explain them as best you can to me

>>18942906
im sorry your headcanon is as retarded as your posting

>>18942900
Boy, you can't even argue properly.
> who care to write proper English would also write it correctly.
I said nothing about writing it correctly being an ESL thing, I said correcting it is an ESL thing (in this thread specifically).
More to the point, natives sucking and making "mistakes" in their own language is a super common thing.
Also, anyone that's been on the internet long enough has gotten bored of correcting the same mistake over and over. Unless they're a grammar Nazi in an almost literal sense.

>>18942873
It's a common american thing, friend. They have difficulties with 'of' and 'have' in some expressions.

>>18942912
>I said correcting it is an ESL thing (in this thread specifically)
This thread gathers many people who love language and maybe even study it or work in the field professionally (I'm in both categories). Your shit may fly on /b/, but you shouldn't be surprised if people in a language learning thread try to maintain certain standards linguistically. It baffles me how you people can be so autistic for stuff as banal as DJT vs OJT, yet when it comes to language you simply wing it and don't care for any standards whatsoever. You guys are morons, and I'm starting to understand why you're all NEET failures.

And I love how it takes literally 5 minutes of from opening the thread to remember why I literally never come to /jp/ anymore

>>18942927
this isnt a love language thread this is a love my fuckin 2d girlfriend thread

agreed on the rest of the shit tho

>>18942914
It all merges into one mumbling mess with them anyway

>>18942927
>gathers many people who love language and maybe even study it or work in the field professionally
[citation fucking needed]
>/b/
I don't go there gramps.
>shouldn't be surprised if people in a language learning thread try to maintain certain standards linguistically.
I wasn't, but you literally told what is quite likely an English native he doesn't know his own language. And to what end? It's a fucking post on an imageboard, not a dissertation. So what if he wrote that post on autopilot?
>It baffles me how you people can be so autistic for stuff as banal as DJT vs OJT
Making blanket assumptions about anonymous posters. No wonder you're into linguistics, you're too stupid for anything that requires thought beyond parroting.

>>18942927
>muh evil neets
You really need to go back.

>>18942862
people who want to fuck bowser: 大ゲイ
people who want to fuck link　なかなかゲイ
people who want to fuck felix 小ゲイ

>>18942948
>an English native he doesn't know his own language.
He really doesn't, he merely feels it.

>>18942952
what about people who want to fuck girls?

>>18942957
I take the /ic/ approach to language.

>>18942952
people who want to fuck bowser: くそゲイ
people who want to fuck link　普通ゲイ
people who want to fuck felix 小ゲイ

fixed it for you

>>18942959
極ゲイ

people who want to fuck bowser >>18942952
people who want to fuck link >>18942952
people who want to fuck felix >>18942952

>>18942948
>[citation fucking needed]
You have to at least appreciate languages at a minimum in order to undertake the task of learning one of the hardest ones (from a Euro point of view). Also, like I said, I am in all those categories, so I'm the citation.
>I don't go there gramps.
Oh did I say /b/? I meant reddit. Go back, and never come here again.
>but you literally told what is quite likely an English native he doesn't know his own language.
Why are you operating on the premise that I'm not a native Anglo you stupid cunt. I never said I was anything else.
>No wonder you're into linguistics, you're too stupid for anything that requires thought beyond parroting.
Yeah, I'm the dumbass for having a passion and a career, while you NEET away all day and talk down to strangers who are better than you on the internet.

sit down and learn some nihongo you lil pant shitters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvbpHEP9-_g

>>18942983
>Yeah, I'm the dumbass for having a passion and a career, while you NEET away all day and talk down to strangers who are better than you on the internet.
It's somewhere between 1 and 4 pm. If you're on 4chan shitposting you don't have much of a career or passion.
>but i live in europe
then you don't have a career

>>18942983
Never mind, I thought you were actually retarded. Turns out you're just another shitposter.

>>18942993
I have the option of working from home. When you succeed in life, you get paid for shitposting.

>>18942993
Did you fail to consider how far Europe and America are from each other and the resulting time difference?

>>18943010
>Working from home
>Instead of working you're shitposting on 4chan
Not much passion for your career there, and considering the amount of time wasted, probably not much a job either.

>>18943010
im a stay at home dad i deal with shit changing my son and i deal with shit in this thread

its just shit all day

>>18943020
>its just shit all day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU54WpQNYic

>>18942911
Well at the time I was tired so didn't make sense of yamete moraeru as doing them the favor of stopping, which is why I even bothered to check because i was being braindead.
but rareru even actually turning up a real definition confused the shit out of me.

though i did finally find someone who ran into a similar problem and its apparently the translators looking at the potential form e.g. 食べられる and just pulling the られる from that as a to be verb or something.

which is really the only reason i came here. cause i didn't get why it was doing that.

>>18943032
you cant trust software only real ninjas

I'm about to have finished Tae Kim's both grammar and full guides. Was there something those guides didn't cover, in grammar rules sense?

>>18943031
thats what im talkin about dude

http://youtu.be/WU54WpQNYic#t=154

>>18943054
he covers it pretty well by just saying natives don't give a shit about grammar and nothing you just learned will actually happen in anything you read.

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>>18943015
I work on deadlines and get paid a salary, I don't work in a shitty clock in/clock out job. You would know the difference if you actually held a job.

>>18943064
So you're saying that I can learn Japanese entirely through anki?

>>18942889
>its perfectly fine english you bumbling fucktard.
Go back to whatever site you came from, you underage moron.

>>18943097

>>18943064

So best next step is to just build up vocabulary, listen, read, talk Japanese etc. just use it and learn from using since the foundations are set in stone?

>>18941517
>I don't think I've seen english grammar resources use "noun-sentences", "adjective-sentences" and "verb-sentences" as a concept

Japanese the Manga Way mentions it from the start. I've also never seen it anywhere else so I thought it was the author's own way of generalizing things. Interesting to know that it's also the way the Japanese think about sentences.

>>18943126
I'm pretty sure Lammers grew up in Japan, so it makes sense that he'd use Japanese concepts. That's a way nicer looking scan of JTMW than that one I have, where did you find it?

>>18943148
An anon rescanned it a few weeks ago, I believe the CoR maintainer already switched the link.

did you guys think i was joking when i said wayne p lammers is a guy you need to listen to

>>18943165
Neat. Well it's nice that there's a better scan now. I think it's honestly one of the better grammar guides and its a shame it gets so often overlooked.

>>18943184
i mean who doesnt wanna learn nihongo and read real nippon manga

crazy what goes on in these threads its straight up insanity

>>18943198
>read real nippon manga
***** **** *******

>>18943198
The manga gimmick is fine, though I think it's probably one of the reasons that its so often overlooked, because it seems so gimmicky, but the real strength in it is that it's basically Tae Kim but actually good.

>>18943198
Manga isn't reading though.

>>18943215
straight up insanity

>>18942392
There are many more manga that are not on that page that you can browse but they aren't listed by date so all you have to go on is a picture of the cover, number of volumes, name and author name. Older manga have different designs so I don't know it might be of use. This is everything including the manga without full entries yet https://mokuroku.neocities.org/gallery.html

I decided to switch from Tae Kim to JTMW when that anon uploaded the new scan. One of the biggest benefits for me is that, since the examples are from actual manga panels instead of contextless contrived textbook bullshit sentences, it reminds me that I'm learning an actual language and not just deciphering some weird puzzle.

>>18943461
subscribed

>夕食の買い物をしてから家に帰ることにした
So he said it in last CG at school before going home, I'm just wondering why the past tense at the end?

>>18943483
Because he decided to do that.

>>18943483
verbすることにした=decided to do ~ ,
he had just fixed his plan.

Why are there random "と" particles slapped on to the beginnings or ends of sentences sometimes?

>>18943501
>>18943514
but if i say わたしはゲイになることに決めた whats the difference

>>18943537
I guess that's more... decisive. 天秤にかけたら it makes a lot of sense, since becoming gay is kind of a bigger deal than buying groceries.

>>18943517
IMHO just ignore them.

(Notice the IMHO can be safely ignored in the above sentence)

>>18943517
they arent random try to think of it more like a word than a foreign entity tacked onto words ala "particles"

also definitely dont ignore them

nihongo is all about saying as little as possible so when something isnt omitted its usually for a pretty good reason

>>18938701
Is there a pdf collection for Japanese From Zero anywhere? I don't see one in the cornucopia.

>>18943483
Japanese past tense includes English past tense and present perfect tense.

Where I can read BioMega in japanese? Cornucopia of resources don't include it

>>18943592
Type "[Japanese title] zip" into your search engine of choice.

>>18943595
youre gonna give his puter a tummy ache

>>18943595
thx

>>18943583
Why would you even want this? Even Genki is better.

>>18943581
What word are they?

>>18943517
>random "と"
e.g.1) と、そのとき～　←「と」＝「すると」
e.g. 2)dialogue
A:台風が近づいているらしいよ。
B:ということは、明日は会社は休みだね。　←「ということは」＝「『台風が近づいている』ということは」

>>18943614
the word と dont you know

>>18943607
Reading through the same shit from multiple sources helps me retain information.

>>18943632
you know what else will help you retain information? practical application

>>18943632
Just use that time to read further through your grammar guide and then start reading sooner.

>>18943618
Why don't they just write that out then? This language is so confusing.

>>18943607
Genki is actually worse than JFZ if you're teaching yourself.

>>18943688
I didn't know that. I've just already gone through both Genki books and wanted to read more of the same material to make sure I got everything.

>>18943700
To be fair, if you're learning the right way, it really doesn't matter what you do, and you should graduate from basic grammar study ASAP, in no more than one or two months after you start.

>>18943704
What even is the "right way"?
I've gone through both Genki books and at this point I'm just using SRS for Kanji and vocab, where do I even go from here?

>>18943720
Reading a lot.

I am an intermediate Japanese learner/native English speaker currently working in Tokyo. I recently finished Genki II (though I still find myself referencing it) and my current teacher has started me on 学ぼう！にほんご 中級, which is a Japanese-only textbook slanted towards those looking to take the N2 (I don't particularly care about the N2, but it is the book my teacher wants to use).

>>18943721
My initial plan was get my grammar down and then build vocabulary relevant to my interests by playing easy games (with furigana). But everyone I talked to told me I was retarded and that I'd need to study for 3 years before I could even begin to play a game aimed at children.

>>18943724
study this and learn why lick g is a fuckin god while maybe learning some rhymes so sick with it

http://youtu.be/OOCJbTDyqVs#t=57

Someonce convince me to start reading please

>>18943763
do it if you want to and dont do it if you dont want to

>>18943737
Yeah, games aimed at children are actually pretty hard to read. If they really meant that you shouldn't consume Japanese at all, they were wrong.

You just want to start with something that has full furigana or that makes it incredibly easy to copy digital text into dictionaries. You can move on to whatever you want to play from there once you have some confidence.

>>18943763
Do it if you want to learn Japanese. Don't do it if you don't want to learn Japanese.

>>18943737
Don't worry, you're not the retarded one, they are.

>>18943737
if it makes you feel better theres people here that have done thousands of flashcards and cant read digimon or whatever

todays nihongo word of the day is 緒戦

check back tomorrow for the next nihongo word of the day

>>18943774

>>18943791
thx bud

>>18943791
Nice one, I'm gonna think about it every time someone mentions 3k is mandatory for reading and the imminent argument that is gonna happen from it.

>>18943965
but you just.. ┐(￣ヘ￣;)┌

>>18943965
3k is a perfectly acceptable threshold for comfort. Also manga isn't reading.

>>18943965
500-2000 is a perfectly acceptable threshold for comfort. Also manga is reading.

>>18943965
0 is a perfectly acceptable starting point and manga is reading.
The sooner you read, the better.
Even if you have to look up words all the time, you can improve grammar.

>>18944064
At 0 known words, you most likely don't even know about the existence of the language.

>>18944085
I was using Anki cards as a metric.
Though of course you should already know a handful of words from anime and such.
Otherwise you're probably in the wrong thread.

I find it most interesting that one must "quote" sentences in the "I think..." pattern in Japanese.

彼はゲイだと思います

really makes you 思う。。。

>と思います

>>18944662
Only because of the lack of pronouns assigned specifically to each verb. English would have to do the same thing in order to avoid ambiguity if it didn't have I/You/He/She/They

誰が思うかよ

>>18944064
One's lack of vocabulary knowledge will greatly impede grammar study beyond the bare basics. Tae Kim's grammar guide is 100x more effective if you don't spend all your time with your nose in a dictionary.

You're better off mining 1000 or so words from the EASY NHK news/pokemon for a month or two, and then watching Japanese Ammo with Misa so you're not constantly breaking your focus with Jisho.

just read wayne p lammers book and go through vjg then you have what you need to get started

simple now shut up

お前はほ思うだぞ

>>18944791

>>18943783
>cant read digimon
Which of the digimon game

>>18943783
>thousands
If it's core6k, half of those would be masu stems of verbs which are in the deck and their intransitive/transitive forms.

お前がゲイじゃないと思わないと思います

>>18944875
literally fuckin thousands of flashcards and cant read digimon digital monsters

>>18944662
>彼はゲイ
共産主義者です

>>18944881
Is a constant repetition of と思う the Japanese equivalent of complicated English sentences like "I know he know I know he know I know that she knows"?

>>18944910
It's the equivalent of being ゲイ

思うとゲイだ

I think therefore I am.

>easy material too easy
>harder material too hard
wahhhhhh

>>18945004
Time to watch some anime

>>18944672
I'll bite, what's your beef?

>>18945074
He's saying he thinks about closing pointy brackets.

わたしは太いちんこいつも考えてる

>>18944733
I swear to god Japanese is her second or third language. mattvsjapan has a better Japanese accent than this girl.

私はお前をいつも考えてるよ

>>18945162
>太いちんぽ
本物のゲイは巨根と言う
さーはっきり「巨根」と言え

>>18945244
太いちんこが耳マンコに入っ ちゃっ たぁっ

>>18945288
関係ねえだろうが、目マンコまで入てるのか？は！？

>>18945199

I know this post is bait but come the fuck on now, her "accent" sounds strange to you because you're not a native speaker, and she's also going out of her way to speak clearly so you can learn from her. Of course it's gonna sound weird, it'd be like you going to Japan and speaking 英語 to your friends, but super slowly so they have a chance to catch and understand the 外国人 degeneracy coming from your mouth.

if you unironically believe that MattVsJapan has a "better" accent than any native speaker, you should get back to your AJATTing and leave us the fuck alone.

>>18945307
キミのエッチでなかなかイクことできません

>>18945318

>>18945318
>sounds strange to you because you're not a native speaker,
No, it sounds strange because it is strange. I've watched thousands of hours of anime and listened to all 271 episodes of hkbk to know this. My comment about mattvsjapan having a better accent was tongue in cheek though.

i just quickly youtubed the person in question but its mostly in english however she doesnt change the way she talks when she says the nihongo so definitely not worse than matt

if you got a full nihongo mode vid link that but people who speak the same when flipping between languages like that isnt a bad thing

nevermind i waded through her youtube page shit heap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv4z_7bEIX0

its real fuckin bad dont learn how to speak from people on youtube

What did Japanese say about the annoying disciple?
ノット・ディス・使徒・アゲン。

>>18945851

Does anyone actually do the excercises in the Genki books?

>>18945851
お前…
>>18945902
People taking a class at their local community college.

So, I took a year off of learning Japanese. Life got pretty crazy in 2017. Any of you do the same at one point? What's the best way of getting back into the swing of things here? What did you guys do? Should I just dive in and study several hours a day? Start off by reviewing grammar? kanji?

>>18945939
I did the same. I started off by just reviewing words. Try reading some material and maybe watching a few of your favorite shows. Do something that helps you remember why you wanted to learn Japanese in the first place. Just do something involving Japanese, a little at a time, day by day. Eventually you'll get back to your old routine. Staying motivated is the hardest part.

>　探すのは部室。そこに使われてない薬品金庫があって、バックナンバーはその中。鍵は壊れてるから、ナンバーはいらないわね。

That last bit is confusing me. Houtarou's older sister is writing to tell him where to find the back issues of the literature anthology his club is supposed to be writing, because she realizes the current club members need an example.
But then,
>鍵は壊れてるから、ナンバーはいらないわね。
Why is it she's suddenly saying they don't need them, and what the fuck does that have to do with the key being broken? Or am I parsing "ナンバーはいらないわね" wrong? Starting to think I should just read something easier.

>>18945939
>>18945957
Is this pasta from r-ddit? read more

>>18945980
Yes anon, I am the reddit boogieman.

>>18945980
>r-ddit
Why did you feel the need to hyphenate reddit? Are you a time traveler? The word hasn't been filtered in a long time.

>>18945997
r*dditっていちゃだめだぞ

>>18946074
>r-word

Reminder that japanese are horrible liars.

>>18946074
当たり前。でも、"reddit"は言葉をだけです。なぜそんな悪いですか？

>>18946078
証拠は？

>>18946105
その言葉だけ吸い寄せられるんだから

>>18946107
ま、確かにそうですね

>>18946144
Whoops, replied to the wrong post >>18946117

>>18946152
>おっと、誤って違う投函に送信した。
Does that sound strange?

>>18946105
>"reddit"は言葉をだけです
Can someone explain this grammar?

>>18946194
he just omitted the verb is all

>>18946201
Not him, but did it sound alright? How would you say it?

>>18946203
I'm not fluent enough to know one way or the other

Is there a word for "story" in the more general sense of how we would use "tale" or "story" in English? All of the words I'm finding such as 物語 and 講談 seem to refer more specifically to a genre/method of tale, in the same sense that "epic" or "ballad" refer to a specific type of story/storytelling.

I wrote a grammar guide after getting fluent from porn!
https://pastebin.com/1qqWKyep
dghkfyukdtrhsrtjdrty
I cribbed some ideas about how to explain things and a few three or four word examples from Tae Kim and Stack Overflow, but there's not a single thing in it that I didn't learn from eroge and doujinshi.

>>18946225
話

>>18946225
語り？

>>18946225
物語 doesn't have that kind of specific meaning, but it does refer to "stories", not "telling people about a thing that happened" or "describing a series of events" or "making up an elaborate excuse to get out of trouble".

窒息術

>>18946246
Yeah, I wanted to talk to my Japanese friends about storytelling but I hadn't really been able to find an equivalent catch-all word for it.

例えば、「日本人は話が好き？僕は新しい練習仕方をしたい。例えば、西洋の神話学が好きだから、日本語で説明したい。興味があると思う？」

>>18946291
>日本人は話が好き？
This has to do with conversing or speaking, not storytelling.

物語語り might get interpreted the way you want, but it's probably translationese.

>>18946299
I learned 語り from Gurren Lagann. Lordgenome said something like "君は語り部になります” "you will be a storyteller". Is 語り部 just something you'd hear in anime and not IRL?

i think you guys are looking for /int/

プリン食べたい！

お兄ちゃん買ってきて！

くたばれ

What's a 顔w?
Here's whole sentence:
萌えキャラって全員同じ顔wってバカにしてたけど

信頼など、何も生まん！

>>18946362
It kind of feels like slang to me? W is often use as slang for LOL so maybe it means an expression of amusement/mirth on someone's face?

>>18946362
Could mean someone's face while laughing.

>>18946378
>>18946389
What happened to these this board?

"When it comes to moe characters, (people who say) "wow, they've all got the same face (lol)"...

Figure out the rest yourselves.

>>18946413
>to these board
I don't know ESL student, what happened?

>>18946417
Fuck off man, it should be obvious that I lost my train of thought and switched out "these threads" for "this board".

>>18946423
You lost your train of thought that quickly? You only had to type out three sentences kek.

>kek
So that's what happened.

>>18946440
We're on the internet buddy, I've got other irons in the fire. 二足の草鞋 and all that.

>>18946291
>「日本人は話が好き？僕は新しい練習仕方をしたい。例えば、西洋の神話学が好きだから、日本語で説明したい。興味があると思う？」

「日本人は物語が好き？僕は新しい日本語の練習方法を試してみたい。例えば、西洋の神話学が好きだから、日本語で説明したい。興味を持ってもらえると思う？」

Speaking of mythology, I am interested in Western myths.
If you write an explanatory note about them in this thread, some Japanon may correct it.

>>18942952
>people who want to fuck bowser: ゲイ
>people who want to fuck link　ゲイ
>people who want to fuck felix ゲイ
Fixed
ゲイさんたちはfuckoffして方がいい

おっぱいは大好き

>>18946729
おっぱいは何も好めないよ。おっぱいだから。「が」のほうが「は」より正解だ。

>>18946729
>おっぱいは

Am I going to pickup bad lingo if I hangout in 2chan too much? How do I avoid this? Like I can still function in real life even though I spend most of my free time in 4chan.

>>18946797
>Am I going to pickup bad lingo if I hangout in 2chan too much?
naturally
>How do I avoid this?
don't go there
>Like I can still function in real life even though I spend most of my free time in 4chan.
>I spend most of my free time in 4chan.
you don't function normally anyway with that statement

Is 無課金マン some 2ch meme?

>>18946804
This

Does your family know you're learning Japanese?

>>18946887
yeah

>>18946887
You have to be at least 18 years old to post here.

where to read raw manga and magazine now after mangamura closed?

>>18946906
Well since manga isn't reading, nowhere.

>>18946893
Sorry, I forgot /jp/ posters were majority normalfags these days.

>>18946887
yep

>>18946913
>Well since manga isn't reading
False

>>18946887
Most of the people I'm acquainted with know that. They think I'm trying to become some sort of an international entrepreneur and that it's all work related or something like that, always praising me for "learning an impossible to learn language". No one even suspects what my true goal might be.

>>18946968
>No one even suspects what my true goal might be.
and they don't care

候
What the fuck is this? Can I just use this everywhere instead of -masu to sound retarded?

>>18946970
Probably not. I wouldn't either.

>>18946785
>>18946786
大好き is a noun/adjective, not a verb.

>>18946887
Hell no. No one knows.

>>18946499
しんがくとか

あたまわるいひとがやることだよ

おまつりだー

ごしんたいは

たぶんちょうなん

おとなたちが

はつごだはつごだとかとかいってるし

かならずGETだぜ！
ポケモンGETだぜ〜！

>>18945074
I'll take it from such an inane question that you have never consumed mainstream Japanese media.

>>18947125
The original pokemon opening is so much better than the cringy dub version.

おっぱいを触りたい

>>18947175
同じ

>>18947182
友達になりましょう

>>18947202
お前はおっぱい男？

>>18947217
どっちも好きだよ

>>18947225
ゲイっぽい

>>18947225
左と右どっちも好きか。僕も

>>18947225
いやいや、おっぱいをもつの男。おっぱいはついてない男はホントに興味がないですから。

>>18938701
iam reading relativel confortable yotzubato volumes right now. how far am i progressed into the highart of moonrune speech?

>>18947237
>>18947247
いや、「どっちも好き」というのは「お尻とおっぱいが好き」意味はずですよ。

>>18947248
よくわからん

Anyone had any luck with using VPNs to watch Hulu Japan? I wanna watch dubbed tv shows for listening practice but it's blocked from signing up to only JP IPs not sure if I pay for a VPN if they'll even take my credit card

Watching Maruko-chan today. Her mom berates her for not knowing kanji in 3rd grade. So, at what grade Japanese children are expected to read kanji?

>>18947289
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/学年別漢字配当表

>>18947269
おっぱい男は「おっぱい好き男」ではない。

おっぱい男は「おっぱいはついている男」。

俺は男には興味がない、だからダチは無理。

あ、間違っちゃった
「おっぱい男」とは、「おっぱいが好き男」意味と思った
ゲイじゃないよ

>>18947038
今、自分の智力に因ってこのワタクシは多幸症です。

>>18947311
好きな男＊

>>18947316

What's 分かりやすいコ supposed to mean here?

>>18947349
What do you not understand? It's 子.

>>18947349
Easy to understand子

>>18947349
コ is short for cock

>>18947349
>>18947358
>>18947360
コは「おんなこども」のいみだよ

子のいみでもつかうけど

ここはちょっとちがうとおもうよ

>>18947349
She's obviously referring to a box. Don't you know your radicals?

>>18947393
大丈夫か、お前？

>>18947358
>コは「おんなこども」のいみだよ
>子のいみでもつかうけど
>ここはちょっとちがうとおもうよ
>>18947360
>>18947380
>>18947393
>>18947409
Thanks, guys!

>>18947436
私は彼じゃないけど、彼は大丈夫と思うよ。
なぜ大丈夫じゃないの？

minna daijyobu?

>>18947507
Ohio, diejobu dess.

>>18947469
>「子」だから、「子」じゃないと思う
っていった

nandaka daijoubu, to omou

>>18947523
どこで言った？

>>18947153
ファッキュー

>>18947551
お前もファッキュー

Why can't I learn Japanese

このスレは日本語ばかりね
おめでたいおめでたい

>>18938701
Will I make it boys?

>>18947565
出来ないから

コンタクトってこわい

レーシックはやってみたい

すいしょうたいないなんたらもきになる

おかねないけど

>>18947541
読み直してくれ

>>18947569
But I've been studying for a year and a half now
And I'm still below N5 level....

>>18947568
でんせちゅが

かえってくりゅ？

>>18947565
you can dude just do it

http://youtu.be/XCCVHyAaKlM#t=252

>>18947568
you better be ready for jumpei to drop some nihongo knowledge bombs on ya yankee ass

>>18947583
もっと読みなさい

>>18947583
make the choice today

あたしにもわからないことくらいある

>「全く智恵がありませんな。それに第一不都合じゃ。悪戯をするに事を欠いて、御殿女中ともあろう者が白縮緬で顔を隠し、深夜に町家へ押し入って押し借りをするのを咎められないとは、沙汰の限りではありませんかな」
「いかにも沙汰の限りではあるが、さてそれがどうにも出来ないのじゃ」

さたのかぎりをどういうふうにつかったらいいのかわかんなくなった

>>18947571
コンタクトは怖いより面倒なんだな
毎日つけたり外したり面倒だ
メガネがましと思う
ていうかコンタクトが怖いなんだがなんでレーシックを怖がらないのか？

>>18947571
メガネって知るか？

>>18947598
いや、あいつは駄目だ。

>>18947587
>Even niggers can learn Japanese
>I can't
Guess I'm dumber than niggers...

>>18947642
yea looks like it

>>18947573
読み直した
全般にコは「おんなこども」の意味だ、でもこの場合は意味が違うって言った。
私読み間違った？

>>18947636
メガネはくそだ

>>18947657
考え過ぎだよ
ただ
分からやすいー＞子
子がわからやすいことだ

>>18947657
>コは「おんなこども」のいみだよ
全般じゃない、「子」はただの「おんなこども」意味がいるって

>>18947698
それは知ってる

>>18947704
よく分からない
やっぱり、俺は日本語出来ません。

>>18947704
ちょっとつけたすと

おんなの子は子、おとこの子も子、こどもも子なんだけど

コっていってどれ？っていうと

おとこじゃないっていういみでもとれるんだよ

コが

いみをつよめることもあるよ

>おとこのコ

これがおとこのいみを

つよめるばあいは

おんなにはついてないあれだよ

>>18947787
He's saying that there's only one meaning, and that's "girl."

>>18947790
今先より少し分かる

>>18947848
For コ or 子?

>>18947790
So basically コ has the nuance that it's a female.
Isn't that why >>18947393 said it's different in this case? because it's being used to refer to an 男

>>18947855
For both. That's why asked if he's daijabu.

ごちゃごちゃやかましいわ

面白いこと覚えた

I have the opposite problem you guys have, I can watch anime without subtitles just fine without pausing anything and understand like 95~99% of it (depending on the show) but I still need a dictionary to read anything that doesn't have furigana.

>>18947893
きったねー

>>18947893
>覚えた
You mean 思い出した？

>>18947893
ドイツ語はくだらん。なにが「面白い」、ぼけ。

>>18947903
ich kannst nicht auf Deutsche gesprachen

>>18947904
ドイツ語が出来ない奴を発見した

>>18947897
Swap with me please.

>>18947928
I would if I could. I don't even know how this happened.

>>18947922
もう一人だ。

>>18947922
ドイツ語はわからない

>>18947923
>が