/jp/ - Otaku Culture

ば＞と

Can we stop linking the /int/ DJT threads in the OP already? They're basically perpetually dead.

>>18851521
Do you really need to study Japanese? If you just read manga with furigana and translate words you don't know, you figure out the rest eventually right?

>>18851566
Hey, don't ask questions pretending to be me, especially if you're gonna say things i did not say.

おやすみ。
明日も１日、がんばりましょう。

おやすー

I think I just found the perfect anime for beginners.

Doing RTK and I'm on frame 983 稽 (training). The koohii story has the top right portion as "understandably", but it's not a kanji or primitive in the book. Am I safe to make that the primitive for understandably?

日本語が出来れば、彼女も出来るはずだろうね

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXrm58u_sYM

How the hell did they manage to find Japanese people who sound so close to the Canadian voice actors???

>>18851765
Did jap kids actually watch it?

>>18851773
only 75+ year old fusuma repairman watch that shit after a hard day of work

>>18851521
Can I learn Japanese?

>>18851793
Yes, but you need to actually work for it. It won't just happen on its own with this ~one simple trick~

How different can Japanese dialects get?

>>18851793
ANONくん、日本語は覚えられないよ

>>18851807
From what I've seen, there isn't too much difference. I think Osaka or further south say や instead of です and stuff like that. I can hear Majima say it like that in Yakuza Kiwami

>>18851815
>From what I've seen, there isn't too much difference.

>>18851807
teiru can be "haru" in Kansai

Is Okinawa dialect as weird as it sounds?

should I care at all about whether ぢゅ is ju or dju, and whatever similar cases?

>>18851836
ぢ and づ can sometimes come up due to etymological reasons, but they're the same as じ and ず in spoken Japanese, just like in おおさか. つづける is probably the most evident example of such a word.

What's the fucking point of learning Japanese anyways?

>>18851847
What's the point of doing anything at all?

>>18851807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmKOW46LaGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j6y26X9Gbo

>>18851848
I fap because it feels good!

>>18851847
>EOP wondering why he shouldn't just bomb/shoot everyone into speaking his language

>>18851847
It's considered difficult, and is thusly satisfying to learn. The quality of media and speakers is high, so it's worth learning for those reasons too.

In contrast, learning Spanish would be piss-easy, but the quality of Spanish media is not as high (mostly just dubs of media in superior languages). Also, the average Spanish speaker would literally rather attempt broken english than be spoken to in spanish by the average Gringo

>>18851831
How did you know exactly what made me ask the question?

>>18851861
im in your house

>>18851865
please cum in his underwear drawer and post results

>>18851860
The average Japanese would also rather attempt broken english than speak to a gaijin in Japanese.

Just saw some people use 「ないスパ」while watching a stream. What the fuck does this mean?

>>18851886
Was it a sports stream?

>>18851877

>>18851758
女がバカですけど。あいつら出来ないよ

>>18851886
I saw this in a ゲームセンターCX episode, but it was used literally to say "Nice par!" in a golf vidya.

>>18851920
>分からなかった
お前は女よりバカだな

>>18851900
Monster Hunter World

>>18851937
何が分からなかった?　お兄ちゃん

>>18851955
彼女出来る＝ガルフレンドゲット

>>18851961
Shit. How do I tell the difference?

>>18851963
Context, pretty much.

スーパーで６８えんの

パン２つかったら

２２０えんとられた

なんじゃこりゃあああああ

>>18851969

三つと見紛ったかもしれない

Need four more commandments for the official Ten Commandments of DJT to be complete.

>Thou shalt not post without reading the guide.
>Thou shalt not copy-paste posts from reddit.
>Thou shalt not do RTK.
>Thou shalt be ゲイ
>Thou shalt read more.
>Thou shalt not write.

>>18851982
RTK is a useful tool

>Japanese sentence structure is literally the opposite of logical, you have to finish the entire sentence before the actual meaning is clear

Is this why everytime I see a Japanese person speak they say eeehhh... umo... etto.... for like 20 seconds?

>>18851978
れしーとに

>外パン￥１３６単６８
>外パン￥６８

ってかいてある

へこんだ

きょうはもうひきこもる

>>18851999
post an example

>>18852003

それぞれのポケットに詳しく探りましたか？

>>18851999
Somehow I doubt Japanese would be any easier if the sentence structure was more like English.

>>18851999
My first Japanese teacher, an old Japanese woman: "You can basically move around all parts in a sentence as much as you like. Put the object to the front, subject to the back, it doesn't really matter."

To this day I'm not sure if that's true. I'm sure she'd still understand us, but I still haven't heard anyone not use the verb at the end.

>>18852014
レシートに３つってかいてあるなら

あたしがふたつっていっても

みっつだからね

Is おいてく a shortening of 置いて行く?

Anki was a mistake.

>>18852051

yes

>>18852051
いいかげん

かみのほんかったら

>>18852046
Women can't speak Japanese

そうそう

きょう

ふんかした

けっこう

ようがんでてるみたい
http://www.jma.go.jp/jma/press/1804/19a/ebinokogen180419.html

Why is Koiwai asking Fuuka if it's his attire is okay? It's his house. Also why does he change, doesn't she say "it's all right"?

>>18851999
Japanese people, like Yoda they talk.

>>18852077
Because he's in his underwear in front of a highschooler.

>>18852077
He's an adult man wearing boxers and a wifebeater with a teenage girl visiting his house.

>>18851540
Where should people learning it for professional use be directed then?

>>18852077
She doesn't say "it's alright", more like "y-yeah (please do)"

>>18852077
fuku kita kata = the way i've put on my clothes
fuku kita hou = putting on clothes

you've read it as "are my clothes okay?" but it's actually "it would be better if I put on some clothes, huh?"

see: 方が, 方が良い

i'll give the people who replied to you the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't notice the source of your misunderstanding

>>18852094
or maybe i'm actually the one who misunderstood something here but if that's the case i'll give myself the benefit of the doubt and assume you're an awful communicator rather than that i read something that wasn't there

ちょっと

ここはけっこう

ヤバいかざん

うしろにみえてるあなあいたのが

このまえ噴火してた「新燃岳」

>>18852094
When it says ほう in furigana right next to 方, you wouldn't think someone would be dumb enough to mix it up.

>>18852085
I don't care if they come here. At least they're not shitposters.

>>18852099
I mean the guy is reading yotsubato so who knows

>>18852094
Oh, that makes way more sense

>>18852099
i sympathize with people who make retarded mistakes because when i was first starting out i made definitely mistakes equally or even more retarded

plus he put a good faith effort into explaining how he (incorrectly) parsed it unlike the fags who just dump a sentence into the sentence and expect us to diagram it for them or something

>>18852099
Not him, but I didn't know ほう and かた differed in meaning like that.
I'm still just a beginner too though.

>Yotsubato
>Hanahira
Reminder that these are joke recommendations you aren't supposed to actually read.

>>18852116
Hanahira is easy though and doesn't have the slang of yotsubato

>>18852116
there's literally nothing wrong with yotsubato as a learning tool

>>18852116
Why not?

>>18852116
Fuck you, yotsubato is omoshiroi.

>>18852116
It's okay mate, I'm also reading super interesting manga on the side

>>18852120
is there VN equal to Hanahira's level that does not have lesbians in it

>>18852124
is this porn?

Holy shit, hanahira looks cute as fuck. Thanks oniichans.

>>18852124
Manga isn't reading though.

>ぼーぼー
Why is this not coming up in jisho?

>>18852129
>reading isn't reading

>>18852136
>looking at pretty pictures isn't reading
fix'd

>>18852129
We can't all start with the Kojiki. Some of us have to read retard materials for small children so other people don't have to.

>>18852138
It's almost like manga have words in them. Obviously reading a manga isn't the same level as a novel, but it's not that easy when you're a beginner and will show you a lot of common words/phrases/grammar structures and etc.

>源氏物語
This is what your first read needs to be. A classic.

Am I the only one who enjoys reading "retard material"?

>>18852126
Nope, it's キャタピラ

>>18852145
Yes. Nobody on 4chan, or for that matter in Japan, has ever read a manga and enjoyed it.

>>18852144
It's written entirely in kana, so it's even more suitable for beginners than Yotsubato is.

>>18852129
fuck off retard

>>18852150
Obviously, since it's not possible to read a manga.

>>18852077
http://www.tanos.co.uk/jlpt/skills/grammar/sentences/?grammarid=569

>>18852164
What's the word for 'consuming' media in form of static set of pictures? We don't 'watch' photos, but 'seeing' seems too simple, as there are some interpretations involved. Interpret is too broad.

>>18852175
Masturbating to?

>>18852164
fuck off retard

>>18852175
Appreciating fine art

あなたは今どこで何をしてますか?
この空の続く場所にいますか?

今まで私の心を埋めていたもの
失って初めて気付いた
こんなにも私を支えてくれていたこと
こんなにも笑顔をくれていたこと

失ってしまった代償は
とてつもなく大きすぎて
取り戻そうと必死に
手を伸ばしてもがくけれど

まるで
風の
ようにすりぬけて
届き
そうで
届かない

>>18852144
>源氏物語
>Harem Manga

>>18852217
Literally just pictures

What kind of radical is that on the right? looks like 子 with the line taken out. What the fuck?

>>18852217
うん

まちがいなく

ハーレムものだね

しかも

せかいさいふる

の

>>18852236
radical (hane-bou or kagi)
http://kanji.jitenon.jp/cat/bushu01005.html

Is 女 ever 2 strokes or is it just the font?

>>18852359
またおんなのはなししてる

>>18852359
く + ノ + 一
3 strokes

>>18852378
そこ

たしか

せんきょの

はくひょう

みずましで

いまもめてる

>伊賀市

>>18851836
>>18851844
>, but they're the same as じ and ず in spoken Japanese,
It actually depends on dialect, they are distinct in some areas. And further more, in certain dialects じ、ぢ、ず、づ all sound alike.

Do people here do their reviews and new cards separately or together? I've been thinking about it and at first I thought mixing them together would be more challenging and thus make you concentrate more but the more I mull over it I feel like separating the two would give better results.

先生
大学
学生
大学生
高校生

Is this the easiest word block on core 2k? Please tell me I have more of these to look forward to.

>>18852445
I do my reviews first around 3 pm and then my new cards around 8-9. I feel like it's better both because it's less overwhelming and because the time between when you learn the cards and the first review is shorter.

>>18852447
You have more of those to look forward to.

Why does /lang/ no longer exist?

Mfw a word is a literal translation of a word of my mother tongue

>>18852482
Give examples, please, I'm interested.

>>18852250
>せかいさいふる

せかいさいこ（世界最古）

>>18852488
歯車 = Zahnrad

>>18852236
Unrelated to your question, but you're using a chinese font, fix that

More examples that wont show up correctly on your PC:
刃　直　今　次 　骨

>>18852493
エネルギー Energie
ベクトル Vektor

>>18852528
Those are English words, dumbass.

>>18852493
Interesting.

If the 車 in 歯車 could mean 'wheel', then in Indonesian, my native language, 歯車 is translated as "roda gigi" or 車 + 歯.

>>18852529
No, they were translated from Germany.

>>18852562
They were directly taken, not translated

>>18852541
According to Jisho, 車 can also mean wheel, look it up.

>>18852519
Oh shit you're right. Fixed it now.
Kanji is also a LOT more clearer now with the new font. Thanks oniichan.

おねしょた漫画いいゾ～これ

>>18852562
jigは

どいつご？えいご？

あめりかかもしれない

おちんちん
オマンコ
ペニス
おっぱい

＞IMEで緑テクストは出来るかな

I need dekinaichan to tell me `ganbatte`

Plz dekinaichan ;_;

>>18852670
やっぱだめだ

>>18852673
ねやごと​

>>18852631
>おねしょた漫画
What is this manga

>>18852662
エッチスケッチ！

Did you guys start reading after doing core2k? I am still doing it but it's pretty hard for me to read anything

>just realized that the word "ecchi" is just the Japanese pronunciation of the English letter H for the Japanese word "hentai"
huh
Guess we need to merge /e/ and /h/ then.

>>18852710
https://web-ace.jp/youngaceup/contents/1000021/episode/

this is.

>>18852120
Depite the memes, hanahira is not, in fact, abnormally easy. What it IS is abnormally short.

>>18852756
Hang on, there's no onee-shota sex here!

>>18852773
based

Anyone find the Tae Kim book helpful enough to read?

>>18852773
おねしょたけいさつだ

>>18852745
Reading anything will be hard no matter how far through core you get. Just power through it.

minna genki?

>>18853067
genki de wa nai desu wa

>>18852046
yeah you can do whatever as long as the verbs at the end you prolly just forgot that part

>>18851877
because english is much easier than their shitty language

>>18852046
>>18853106
Occasionally you will see the verb somewhere not at the end, but it's usually done to achieve a certain effect using intentionally incorrect grammar. In essence its "naturally unnatural" usage.

>>18853104
genkidenakya imi nankane

jinsei

>>18851877
it because people say things that actually make zero sense see the 場合 fiasco at the end of the last thread

average nihonjim at least has some english exposure and understanding even if they cant communicate easily with it so its just easier

しまった

きょうはひきこもりのひなのに

はたらいてしまった

ごめんなさい

どんなしごとをしているの

>>18853175
I'm pretty sure an average nihonjin doesn't understand English at all

>>18853308
20 years ago this was prolly more accurate

not now

>tfw too autistic to comprehend how learning through speaking/improvement works

>>18853342
it doesn't work so yeah

Anybody tried Dogen’s pitch accent course? It’s behind a paywall.

>>18853367
the parts that are actually worth watching aren't paywalled

>>18853175
>nihonjim

>>18853371
How do you know the others aren't worth though? Those parts you mentioned sound like a good course though. At least he put more effort into pronunciation than 99.9% of all Japanese learners. As if I wanna talk though

>>18853459
they're just unlisted, people link them sometimes

なつがなつらしく

こられ

むかえ

なつがなつらしく

おられ

みおくり

またこられるときまでわすれず

ひともまた

こういうのは

しごとにはいらないなら

せーふだった

>>18851521
Do they use じるない instead of しない in certain regions? Like for example saying 心配じるない.

The japanese postal address format is so annoying...

>When the dictionary tells you you suck

do you have what it takes to battle lick-g

http://youtu.be/yFszZmLUx7k#t=68

>>18853583
夏は来ていない
春は来ていない
冬だけがある

:(

>>18853672
ずっとふゆがいるとすると

ゆううつだとおもうよ

>>18853631
That makes me wonder, is there a way to add other dictionaries to kanjitomo? Kanjimoto uses a plain text file, while yomichan kireicake dictionary is .json

>>18853631
は was a mistake.

>>18853600
i can't figure out. what context?

>>18853631
>"usually written in kana alone"
why the fuck even have Kanji then?

>>18853930
all of japan should switch to using ゑ for a topic particle, just keep pronouncing it わ and there's no difference.

>>18853939
>I don't understand how a language evolves

what does this say? specially the line about step 63

>>18854057
looks like 線 to me

G-guys they're making fun of us!!

>>18854178
Fuck off, reddit faggot.

After over 5 years of studying, I wanted to give something back to the community. Pretty much all of the answers I gave to people in the last few weeks have been proven wrong by others. Should I just stop giving advice?

>>18854200
A beginner shouldn't give advice

How different would the routes between learning conversational Japanese and being able to read/comprehend Japanese be?

I'm far more interested in being able to communicate with people than I am being able to consume media.

>>18854214
Consuming media is the best way to give yourself a solid base for production. Otherwise you'll just be parroting what a textbook tells you without a solid base for natural production, which comes from internalizing grammar via lots of input. I'm in the minority in this thread of wanting to be conversational, and although I have the opportunity to speak japanese on a daily basis right now my focus is mainly on reading, expanding my vocabulary, and listening.

>>18854227
Sounds like conversation might come as a byproduct of being able to consume media, then. Alright, thanks!

>open thread
>immediately lose all motivation to learn Japanese
Every time

>>18854214
No matter what, you can't speak unless you know vocab.

All roads lead to some form of dedicated vocab study, whether that be anki grinding or what have you. Both methods eventually become their own form of vocab study/acquisition, but you'll need 1000+ some odd words under your belt before that is possible.

>>18854235
Well it's a separate skill you still have to develop independently. The best way to get better at conversation is by conversing, but you need to have the vocab base and listening skills before you can do that

ただいま

>>18854268

>>18854178
if the threads so bad dont come here with your specific question and ask on reddit instead : )

>>18854278
象ちゃんファイト

I set everything up but Yomichan won't add any Anki cards to my mining deck. Are there any common issues?

>>18854348
export to plain text and import into anki

>>18854214
go back to where you came from

Why are there so many homonyms in Japanese when there are so many unused combinations of hiragana?
Instead of the next word with しょう and こう, here are some words that I created that are not in the dictionary:
ずび
ぜわ
めほ
ぼべ
みふ
Japanese people, feel free to start using them.

>>18854381
1 Because they sound dumb
2 Who cares

>>18854381
Why use your weird combinations when japanese will be 50% english in a few years

>>18854387

>>18854381
trust me youre not creating words here you sound like a disabled person

I just can't get over how much sleep impacts memory. Had a few hours more sleep than I usually do and all my reviews excluding cards from yesterday felt so easy. Even cards I've repeatedly had problems with popped into my mind instantly. Kinda tempted to up my new cards to 30 for today to take advantage of it.

>>18854520
whens the part where you tell me about how much nihongo youve learned

>>18852077
That's not what he says, and that's not what she says.
>It'd probably be better if I changed, huh?
>Yeah, I suppose so

New advice from nukemarine, make sure to check it out! It'd be a bad thing if you were incorrectly sub-vocalizing while you read!

>>18852077
thats not what he says and thats not what she says
"i should prolly put some clothes on"
"yah you prolly should"

>>18854569
When's the part where that's any of your fuckin business mr lower case faggot

>>18854600
what reason is there for you to get defensive and name call

>>18854604
Buddy a toddler can see through the intentions of your posts.

>>18854608
whatever you say dude gamba

Concerning the whole ''manga isn't reading'' argument constantly going on, here's a thought exercise for you guys. How much would you laugh if when asking someone ''What do you read?'' and expecting the person to name an book author or genre, they replied ''comic books''. That's how retarded manga readers sound like when they try to convince people that manga is reading. Comic books are for children and certainly not proper reading materials. Man-children have even tried rebranding comic books as ''graphic novels'' in order to make it sound more adult. You will always be seen as children, I'm sorry.

reading material for children is a good idea though

>>18854770
>How much would you laugh if when asking someone ''What do you watch?'' and expecting the person to name an series movie or genre, they replied ''anime''.

Why are you using 2 ' instead of "? is this your first day on a computer?

>>18854770

>>18854770
In Japan, the whole 'comic book' scene isn't seen as some sort of man child cuck hobby like in the west. They see it as partbof their culture and even businessmen are known to frequent manga shops

>>18854785
You're not Japanese though, and you never will be. In other countries, you're seen as man-children. And you're making a blanket assumption. More adults read comics in Japan, but a lot of Japanese consider it to be a childish hobby too.
>>18854780
>>18854778
Nice rebuttal.

but who cares

>>18854793
Your entire point is reliant on a manga reader giving a shit if people think their hobby is stupid. I see no reason why anyone would care about that so it doesn't really matter whether you think it's childish or not.

>>18854804
You care enough to post. Don't forget, potential employers like getting calls in the days that follow you giving them your CV. It can even bump you way up in the list of potential hires! 頑張って!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPLloHv5Rhc

the kid trying to get cute is on the left and im on the right

>>18854818
Many manga readers cared enough in this thread to get into a long argument in order to convince people that reading comic books is actually proper reading. You can't come back at me with the argument that ''manga readers don't care about others' opinions!'' They obviously care, and they wish so badly to not be seen as man-children. Just look at this guy >>18854785 saying ''b-but they do it in Japan! Why can't I?!''

>>18854850
>They obviously care
Sure, I'm just saying that they shouldn't. What's more odd to me is the degree to which you seem to care. Why is that?

maybe you missed this post >>18854780 but it doesnt get anymore straightforward than that

you better come up with some good discussion topics quick before this guy ruins the thread

>>18854863
I'm just trying to help these man-children to grow up, sort their lives out and get jobs. That's the true key to learning Japanese.

>>18854878
Being honest about social truths like ''manga readers are seen as man-children'' is baiting now? Stop being a safe-space snowflake and see the truth for what it is you delusional fuck.

>>18854880
If they sorted their lives out and got jobs, they would never learn Japanese.

>>18854880
You need to be more subtle my friend, this reeks of bait.

Just because you're reading something childish doesn't mean you're not reading.

>>18854901
Yeah but you don't see adults walking around with Disney books saying ''hey reading is reading!'' To develop properly as a person, it's better to read material that concern adults, not ''lulz Yotsuba is chasing t0nb0s''.

actually consuming manga is playing, just like with vns

>>18854912
>but you don't see adults walking around with Disney books saying ''hey reading is reading!''
I guess I shouldn't be surprised someone posting on /jp/ is unfamiliar with the current state of the world.

>>18854912
Reading manga and traditional literature are not mutually exclusive. Also, reading manga for the purpose of learning makes more sense than reading a book and if you can't grasp why then I don't know what to tell you.

>>18854818
>manga reader
that's an oxymoron

>>18854770
>>18854825
>>18854850
>>18854880
>>18854888
>>18854892
>>18854912

https://streamable.com/2w9sh

>>18854925
I've never seen an adult lugging around a Snow White book. You're delusional if you think the world is that far gone. Get off the internet and step outside, you'll see thing aren't that scary.

>>18854928
Yeah for learning purposes it's fine. But you have a lot of people in this thread putting manga reading on the same level as proper reading.

>>18854955
I think most people here were under the impression that you're against it for learning purposes though. Otherwise, yes, novels being superior to manga is common sense and as such I can't really imagine that anyone was even attempting to deny it

>>18854981
I actually seen people on here direct some anons to the /int/ thread when they said they wanted to read real novels instead of manga, because novels are ''normie bullshit''. People here are a lot more insane and autistic than you think.

i mean have you read the "guide" and then seen what the outcomes of people who actually try to learn the way it tells you are

its really beating a dead horse to throw around the a word in these parts my ninja

>>18855008
The guide:
>spend a few months (or don't, literally says this) building a vocab base while learning grammar and then transition into reading native material

You:
>read from the start

>>18852445
>I've been thinking about it and at first I thought mixing them together would be more challenging and thus make you concentrate more but the more I mull over it I feel like separating the two would give better results.
Did you not bother to think this through at all? Just because your retention stat is higher, doesn't mean you're actually better off. What you're talking about is simply false retention.

>>18855027
>What you're talking about is simply false retention.
How?

>>18855027

Think for about two seconds before you start rolling your hamfists across the keyboard, fuckwit. After the first day those new cards will be mixed in with the rest, so how could this lead to "false retention", whatever that means? Ever consider that possibly there are separate processes for trying to learn something for the first time and trying to remember something you've already started learning? Ever heard of context switch overhead?

>>18855034
Because you remove the possibility of mistaking a new card for an old one and vice versa. You automatically know all you're dealing with are new cards and are doing yourself a disservice. If it's "easier", chances are there is a reason for that.

Besides, they end up getting mixed the next day anyway, so you're just giving yourself one easier day with those cards.

>>18855059
>Besides, they end up getting mixed the next day anyway, so you're just giving yourself one easier day with those cards.
Were you trying to negate your own point? Precisely for this reason it doesn't matter. You don't fully remember new cards on the first day anyways, that happens through spaced repetition, during which those cards are indeed mixed in.

>>18855050
>After the first day those new cards will be mixed in with the rest, so how could this lead to "false retention",
Lead to? It is false retention. You add a hint that eliminates many other possible answers.
>>18855084
>Were you trying to negate your own point? Precisely for this reason it doesn't matter.
I never said it permanently gimps your retention of those cards, just that it's false retention for the sake of "ease". The fact that you're only doing it for one day (everyday) doesn't change that--just makes it more weird.
>You don't fully remember new cards on the first day anyways
Maybe not you or me, but some autists get pretty close unless they're editing their stats.

Honest question, why does a majority of 4chan think Genki is bad?

>>18855162
Fuck off back to you know where.

>>18855162
It's designed for use in a classroom setting which makes it less ideal for self-teaching than other resources. It covers less material than the things people here tend to recommend. It places a huge focus on output exercises, which most people here think is bad.

>>18855172
Don’t get me wrong. I like Tae Kim, I prefer it over Genki. I’m just curious on why people around here don’t like it.

>>18855191
99% of people don't like it because they are elitist fucks that hate anything that the people on leddit like. Some have actual reasons like >>18855180
but the first reply you got is quite telling to why the majority hate it.

>>18855191
Tae Kim is shit too. Imabi is better in every way.

>>18855162
Genki covers less grammar than people think it does, has omissions that the instructor is supposed to fill in, and has lots of useless fluff designed to slow you down and force you to process what you've started learning, because you have to recall it by rote for exams. It's probably the least bad textbook, but there's certainly no reason to teach yourself Japanese with it.

>>18855209
Imabi is literally unusable unless you already know quite a bit of Japanese.

>>18855194
Alternatively, people have gotten tired of replying to you retards.

>>18855191
>>18855194
I told him to fuck off because he's a retard too stupid to use the archive if he wants his answer to his idiotic question.

>>18855216
>unless you already know quite a bit of Japanese
That's what Sakubi is for, right?

>>18855227
No, just read Tae Kim.

>Not paying a visit to Mr Lammers' wild ride for your introduction to Japanese
Never going to make it.

wayne p lammers the greatest nihongologist to ever live

Manga is reading.

no one disputes that

>>18855357
It's not though.

>>18855366
You don't know Japanese.

>>18855357
yea and then you attempt to read novels and get btfo by new vocab

learning new things isnt getting btfo

and its not vocab that bftos ppl itt

>>18854247
>>18854214
You could say you would prioritize quantity over quality a little when learning vocab, so you'd skip some kanji at first and concentrate on vocab. That doesn't mean you skip them entirely, I'd still recommend learning them sufficiently

>>18855372
Depends on what you read. Of course inner monologue will have different vocab than speech. But it's not that harder or easier. Medaka Box was about as hard/easy as Konosuba for me

>>18855403
as far as I can tell Konosuba seems to be Kino's Journey-tier so it's not that far away from manga I guess

>>18854381
Because those sounds sound unnatural, just like how English doesn't have "pf" sound or "tg" sounds. Language isn't an ideal construct.

>>18854912
Reading doesn't imply that you're consuming literature, it literally means "the action or skill of reading written or printed matter silently or aloud.
"suggestions for further reading". Manga has printed words for your brain to interpret, so you read it. This is like saying people don't read restaurant menus.

>>18854995
This thread is focused on otaku materials, generally. Nobody would care if you were reading an LN or VN, which aren't exactly literature but they're closer to normal books than manga is at least.

what pray tell is a "otaku material" lol

>>18855641
Are you stupid?

>>18854995
You can read whatever you want but if you're going to high-handedly assert that anime/manga/LNs/VNs/etc are trash and how you're a hyperintelligent big-brained person who can only be satisfied by real literature, then you can and should be told to fuck off to /int/.

>>18855647
yeah dude help me out onegaishimas

>>18855656
>anime
>manga
>light novels
>visual novels
>any media that's meant to appeal to otaku fags in japan
It's not rocket science.

Where the fuck do they even get these sentences

>>18855647
Are you? Why are you replying to him?

>>18855664
and what pray tell is a "otaku fag" lol

>>18855682
You.

>>18855656
If you want to be particular about it around here it's basically all forms of Japanese fiction or entertainment that aren't mainstream movies, television, music, or literature.

>>18855700
Japan probably has some weird hipster shit that wouldn't qualify as being otaku stuff though.

>>18855667
Looks okay to me.

>>18855688
50点 but i still dont understand

>>18855700
so then is otaku actually a loanword in practicality in western net culture like how nihongo has eigo loanwords that dont mean the same thing in both languages

>>18855667
>挑む
>ask for sex
I bet she was surprised when all she wanted was a Starcraft 1v1.

>>18855714
Otaku is used in japanese to refer to anyone who's super obsessed with a particular subject, you can be a train otaku etc, but its most commonly applied to people who are really into anime, LNs/VNs, certain types of manga (a lot of manga is mainstream enough that reading it isn't weird). Might be derogatorily applied to anyone who shows to much interest in that stuff, since if you like anime Japanese society also considers you a useless manchild. The only difference in the west is that it only applies to weeaboos and not other subjects, and is less of an insult.

>>18855714
It's the same general concept but the category is slightly different because in the West it's specific to Japanese interests and what's considered mainstream is different. In Japan, someone who plays Call of Duty all day would be an otaku and someone who regularly watches Taiga dramas wouldn't but it's the other way around here.

Stop replying to the fucking troll you autistic fucks

>>18855749
Troll or not, he asked a real question.

>>18855754
A real stupid question.

>>18855749
I thought he was a troll but the persistence is making me lean towards him just being low IQ.

the only thing stupider than a stupid question is a hater

>>18855762
"What constitutes otaku media" is a legitimate question both in the context of this thread and in the context of Japan.

Ah, nothing like newfags getting baited by Jamal.
Keep it up guys great thread so far.

I often find myself wondering if there exist very cheap discount keyboards which consist only of the bare 26 charters in the English alphabet about which I don't know.

>>18855779
Nothing like smug assholes talking about how they're the only one not shitting up the thread whole shitting up the thread

honestly the threads doing well we quelled the "manga isnt reading" actual troll fairly quickly and now weve opened the channel for discussing what exactly otaku means

the skys the limit from here just dont talk about flashcards

>>18855786
I never said that. There is no longer any hope for this thread, that's why I said to keep it up. DJT declined to the point of no return quite some time ago. All that's left is to marvel at the decayed remains, which is entertaining in its own right.

How many sentences do you mine per day?

>>18855815
69 approximately

>>18855804
flashcards can't ㍍つ steel beams

>>18855823
walota

>>18855779
how does he avoid getting banned? genuinely curious

>>18855844
キミは知ってるかわからんが every post in this thread is breaking the board rules

>>18855844
>how does he avoid getting banned?
He doesn't avoid bans, just evades them.

>>18855864
ah i thought so
hes never posted a single thing of value so I imagine the report count was quite high, but evidently not as high as his vpn list

todays nihongo word of the day is 根刮ぎ

check back tomorrow for the next nihongo word of the day

>>18855869
Nothing of value has ever been posted in this thread.

Kyou's nihongo word of the nichi is 尻馬

reply to this post or your mother dies in her sleep tonight

The guy who used to post pages of Toradora needs to come back to save us.

>>18855899
Sorry, too lethargic to do anything.

助けは来ない覚悟しなよ

What would you have done differently if you were a beginner again?

inb4 lower case

>>18855913
SOMEHOW I DONT THINK THATS A GOOD QUESTION FOR THIS THREAD CAPSLOCKごめんなさい

>>18855871
Fuck this word, it's a leech in my mine deck.

>>18855915
Surely there are a few people that aren't complete beginners

>>18855913
I would have done the SGJL and signed up for Nukemarine's patreon

>>18855925
>following the guide of someone that is a self-admitted current N3

>taking the advice of an anonymous Brazilian that set up a neocities page with no evidence he knows any Japanese

>>18855918
well ill help you out dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYbGjW6aJrs now youll never forget it

>>18855919
there are but they arent the kinda people that are gonna take that question seriously

>>18855934
no racism dude this is a barrier free zone

>>18855913
Read more.

>>18855934
Whoever runs (or, well, ran) the current site in the OP knows enough Japanese to criticize grammar guides accurately, so they're certainly onto something.

The actual guide is shit though.

>>18855913
Not waste my time

>>18855938
>Brazilians are a race
absolute state, etc.

you can learn japanese through literally any method that forces you to occasionally learn new things if you stick with it long enough, whether it's flashcards + reading, textbook learning + reading, either of the above + kanji study

i'm pretty sure you could unironically learn japanese just by using google translate on simple sentences and letting years of reading iron out your stupid mistakes after the fact

>>18855974
Learning japanese is literally and unequivocally IMPOSSIBLE if you use flashcards my man xD

>>18855947
Well what would you change to make it not shit?

>>18855947
What is shit about it?

>>18855980
irony instead of proof to the contrary is a good way to go i employ it a lot

>>18855986
Replace it.

>>18855987
The people who wrote it didn't know Japanese and wasted the majority of its length rambling about things that don't matter.

>>18855996
We will replace it with your guide. Post it, please.

>>18856003
I don't have one.

>>18855991
The burden on proof is on the one making the claim, which is you, fagboi.
>>18855996
Do you have a phobia of specifics?

>>18855966
sorry western net culture taught me that all "brs" are the same and connect to the internet via wooden computers pardon my ignorance and thanks for the insight if there is one good thing to come from this thread it is that i have gained some more worldly knowledge domo aligato

>>18856013
proof: everyone that ever posted itt since the inception

This thread should be retired and replaced by a thread where people ask questions specifically about Japanese instead of "how to learn Japanese."

Nothing good has ever come from the latter.

>明日、試験があるから勉強しないと。
Why is suru at the end negative? Why does it mean 'have to study'

>>18856044
That's pretty much the /int/ thread but it dies at 70-100 posts every time, if that. Face it, for djt to exist shitposting is a necessity.

>>18856049
しないと[ならない]

>>18856049
this is standard way of expressing this idea and you will see it everywhere in everything get used to it

>>18855913
Not quit. I could have been fluent 10x by now if I didn't quit so many times.

Another thing would be to not give up on reading so quickly. I started Hanahira/Flyable Heart multiple times, but always gave up after just a few screens thinking I wasn't ready yet. Forcing myself to finish them really helped.

oh my god all of the official touhou manga has full furigana what dream world is this

>>18856239
scratch that 月のイナバと地上の因幡 doesn't

>>18855871
>根刮ぎ
>can also mean 'thoroughly'
>根掘り葉掘り, also with 'root' in it, can also mean 'thoroughly'.
Another one of those little things that is kinda interesting about another language, I guess. English have 'no stones unturned', Japanese has something like 'scrape even the roots'.

>缶
>read as かん
>means a can
fuuuck yes, I love Japanese

>>18856285
を戦う
o tatakau
a t tak
attack

羽ばたく

>>18856299
おもしろい

日本語はまた読みにくいけどI must go on!

>>18856285
>>18856299
>りんご
>means apple
>The Beatles, who had Ringo Starr as a band member, were on Apple Records
fuuuck yes, I love Japanese

>>18856285
>>18856299
>>18856344
>津波
>tsunami
>means tsunami
i fucking love japanese

>>18852077
this isnt a language barrier, its a social etiquette barrier.

>>18856373
>a social etiquette barrier.
Absurdly insurmountable for a neet.

>>18854770
>Comparing anything western to anything Japanese
Also, look where the fuck you are. Fuck off m8.

>>18856400
>Comic books=Drawings with speech bubbles
>Manga=Drawing with speech bubbles
Yeah, there really is a world of difference.

Very basic question, but how do people type in furigana in Word processors? Especially those with furigana that are not the same as the kanji, like め for 瞳, ミルク for おっぱい汁 or マッツVS日本 for 糞男?

i'm trying to learn japanese. right now i'm trying to memorize the hiragana. it's a little hard. i still get some mixed up with eachother. i want to move to japan. is that a bad idea, to make japan my passion?

>>18856525
ホワイトピッグめ日本にくんな

>>18856568
hello to you too.

minna genki?

minna tae kim?

genki?

>>18856602
minna ni genkijakunattamoneyo

>>18856525
>to make japan my passion
Being obsessed with a country other than your own is sick and twisted, moving there indefinitely or actually identifying with the country is even worse.

Real reasons to learn Japanese:
>to say “oh yes, I taught myself the second most difficult language for fun, what have you been up to”
>more hentai
>watch anime 20 min earl
>fallback jobs available
>literally makes your brain bigger

>>18856651
>second most difficult language
what's the first?

>>18856651
>muh nationalism
>immigration is bad don't do it kids ;)
Are you a time traveler from the 19th century

>>18856651
how is that sick and twisted? i hate america. i think japan is an interesting place though i have to learn more about it and it would bring me out of my comfort zone too.

i don't look at hentai and i'm not that into anime. so those reasons sound abysmal.

>>18856665
Klingon

>>18856651
>second most difficult language
Citation? I thought Japanese is now on its own class of difficult languages, surpassing even Chinese.

>>18856689
I really doubt its harder than chink

>>18856689
chinese isnt even hard cause you can learn it in just english letters if you want to

>>18856689
Japanese is actually really easy, american linguists are simply just stupid

>>18856689
It's relative, you can't say that a language is the easiest or the hardest. It always depends on what/how many languages you already know.

>>18856689
>even

>>18856709
Go ahead and post any form of proof that you are competent at this really easy language then.

>>18856746
mosikasite anonkun ga boku no otintin suitai?

>>18856746
おれは日本

>>18856746
ching chong falala dingdong Zhang Fei Zhou Yun son goku!! Sarada Toyota.

>>18856746
我輩日本也

>>18856746
俺様は本当に日本人だよ

>mention that you're learning japanese
>*pulls out buddhist scripture from the 800th century*
>haha can you read this

>>18856826
Serves you right for thinking that manga is actually reading.

>>18856826
i didn't know Buddhism was still around that far into the future, i need to reread akasha

>>18856816
わたしも同じ

>>18856668
Well you're on the wrong board. Get out.

>>18855996
Which guide are you talking about

>>18856982
prolly the guide linked to in every op of every thead you know the one that sucks epic ballz

>>18856830
manga is reading you dumb cunt

If manga isn't reading, then what verb do you use for consuming it? "I view manga"?

>>18856998
Read

Is this book any good?

>>18857012

yeah, its on the CoR so just read through it and decide for yourself

>>18856996
Well you know what time it is then. Time to show you how manga is unanimously not considered actual reading!
https://www.strawpoll.me/15539035

>>18857012
one of the best by one of the best

>>18857017
Is reading instruction manuals or street signs not reading? Reading is reading anon. There's no special "real reading". If your brain is interpreting a string of characters to derive a meaning, that's reading.

>>18857017
why don't you create a poll about gravity, or the earth being flat, or MMR causing autism my delusional friend

>>18857032
Yeah but when asking someone ''do you read?'', it actually means do you read proper material like novels, not fucking street signs. This is indefensible.

>>18856961
shut the fuck up.

Go back to /int/ please

>>18857043
No you

>>18857040
What did you read, means media in general. In normal social circles you wouldn't say you read manga because you don't want to alert everyone that you're a filthy weeaboo, but if you're talking to a friend who also reads manga, "hey, what manga have you been reading lately", is a perfectly acceptable phrase. How else would you even say it? Manga isn't hard reading, sure, but it's still a story told through words. Kids read storybooks, and those are even easier, etc.

You guys came up with all sorts of reasons to not study, and I'm the same as all you fuckers.

What's that kanji?

>>18857072
置

>>18857053
Yeah, you also ''read'' comic strips in newspapers, and that's 3 pictures with barely 2 words written in each one. I wouldn't put those in the same category as reading novels or even the news articles in that same newspaper, even if the verb ''to read'' is used to describe the action of perusing them. They take as much effort reading as street signs.

>one autist hates manga so he wants everyone to acknowledge that its not 'real reading'

My 'real reading' are those hentai novels I got from sadpanda! There's one where I fuck my own three sisters!

Reading, for real.

>>18857100
For real, though, are those any good? I run into them every once in a while when searching for stuff, but I've never bothered.

>>18857078
Is it about length then? What if you read 100 chapters of 50 pages each of one? That shit takes up time. Manga can be pretty word dense per page, depending on the manga. If you're fluent in a language no book that isn't antiquated should be difficult to read anyway, it's just that sitting down a book generally takes longer than reading a manga. To a new learner of a language, even manga would be fairly difficult reading, so either way I don't see difficulty being much of a factor.

>>18857100
>Do I know Japanese?
>Well I can't really talk about the weather or everyday events, but I can explain dozens of different sexual fetishes and acts in frightening detail.

>Reading hentai
>Not just staring at the drawings

>>18857093
>poll is 3 vs 4 for ''manga is not proper reading''
>still claim only 1 person holds this opinion
You're delusional you manchild.

>>18857109
I don't see a problem with this.

>>18857116
yeah, its just you mate
feel free to stop posting anytime

>>18857106
Length does have something to do with it. The same way saying ''Hi, how are you?'' and nothing more isn't a conversation, but rather simply an exchange. When is gets long enough or reaches enough depth, the exchange becomes a conversation. When written text gets long enough or reaches enough depth, it turns into proper reading. Also, manga can exist without words. Case in point, you can have many pages in a row without words, yet still be reading it and understanding what's going on thanks to the drawings. Therefore, the drawings are the foundation of comic books and manga, not the text.
To give a reverse example, you can take away the picture in a news article, yet still grasp the news with the written text. But take away the text only leaving the picture, and not much can be understood from only that. Therefore, written text is the foundation of newspaper articles, not the picture.

わたしはゲイ

>>18857105
They're...porn. Their qualities differ significantly, as you probably expect. I would say they're decent to middling on quality scale.

Am I the only one having difficulties reading text which doesnt have any kanjis at all?

>>18857149
yes but i guess its normal because you dont intuitively know nihongo yet

>>18857143
どうして

>>18857162
楽しいから

>>18857149
Why would you start with stuff like that? You aren't a Japanese child.