/jp/ - Otaku Culture

dojg or hjgp

>>18731075
hjgp but dojg is fine if you already own it or you depend on the plaintext rip

>>18731088
Nah I didn't buy dojg, Ill continue to use the hjgp site someone made

>>18731075
HJGP for surface level reference on the go and DoJG for a more in-depth overview of a concept. The former is like the Jisho of English langauge Japanese grammar references, being useful enough for most things and the latter is like the Green Goddess. Both have their own strengths.

>>18731280
dojg isn't really as much of an in-depth resource as you think it is

>>18731303
for example, there are many idiomatic phrases like picture related that are not present in dojg

>>18731344
do I need more than say this:
http://sorayuko.s251.xrea.com/kansei.html#
and 日本語の森 clips to get my 関西弁 less that total shit?

>>18731344
>using the English version
it's almost like you want the version without full explanations

>>18731487
stop this dumb meme

Whats the easiest Japanese literature?

>>18731550
low level graded readers or manga with furigana

>>18731576
Actually I should say, is there any Japanese literature readable around N2/N3 level?

>>18731599
聖女の回復魔法がどう見ても俺の劣化版な件について。 should be right up your alley

>>18731615

>>18731615
I can't even read the title. Something about a priestist's revival magic being something to me no matter how I look at it.

>>18731630
How about this:

>「ヒールッ！」

>今日は快晴、回復魔法日和だ。

>俺こと、アネストは昔、回復魔法を目の当たりにし、今ではすっかりハマってしまっている。

>本来、回復魔法を習うには、教会への多大な寄付金がいる。しかし、唯の平民の一般家庭として生まれた俺ではどう背伸びしても払える額じゃないのは子供ながらに理解していた。

>じゃあどうするか。

>それは、自分でやるしかないだろう。

>「じゃあ、やりますか！」

>俺は、「自分」の「腕」を切り落とす。昔やった時はかなり痛かったが今になってはちょっとかゆいレベルだ。

>「えっと、ヒールッ！」

>腕がみるみるうちに復活する。そして、数秒とかからないうちには前と変わらない腕がちゃんと肩にはできている。

>え、どうやって回復魔法を覚えたかって？そんなの、人間誰でも死にそうになればそれくらいできるようになるさ。最初は指を、次は手、足、腕。とにかくやれることは何でもやった。でも、独学じゃこれくらいが限界だろう。そろそろ誰かに教えてもらうしかない。

is katakana the final boss

>>18731644
no comedic self mutilation is

>>18731615
Looks like garbage.

>>18731647
自傷行為はだめだよ

>>18731599
try reading welcome to the nhk (the novel)

>>18731653
how about 元最強の剣士は、異世界魔法に憧れる

>>18731658
that too

>>18731673
how about 転生賢者の異世界ライフ　～第二の職業を得て、世界最強になりました～

>>18731632
I just read 唯 as ダレ
できない；＿； I'll wait until I have 20k anki cards before I start reading novels.

>>18731656

>>18731686
good luck with that

>>18731686
頑張って

>>18731303
>>18731344
Really?

>>18731777
oh huh, it didn't show up when I ctrl+f'd it in the web index so I assumed it wasn't there

>>18731784
found the problem, my web browser enabled "match full words" on its own

regardless hjgp has a larger number of entries and dojg does contain less

>>18731784
Did you actually look? Trying searching for it again. "にもかかわらず" shows up 26 times in a full word match search. I don't think you looked and I don't like this sort of dishonestly.
https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html

>>18731792
Stop back-pedalling. Most of the individual extra entries in the HJGP are covered in the notes of key entries in as related terms in the DoJG, often in more detail. I have yet to come across an intellectually honest criticism of the DoJG in reference to HJGP. It's always direct misrepresentation and then hand waving in damage control when called out for it.

>>18731814
I did look
it didn't show any results because my browser had full word search enabled and I only searched for かかわらず
it's not hard to understand how this could happen. do you have some kind of persecution complex that prevents you from understanding how things like this can happen

when did the Japanese start eating eggs? a long 卵

What's the standard nowadays regarding mining words?
People are still using Rikaisama or has everyone moved onto Yomichan?

>>18732204
I copy/type/texthook/OCR new word I discover and their source sentences, then I copy that to Anki.

It takes a long time and I hate it, but if you hate your learning, are you really learning?

>>18732157
ill find you

>>18732204
i use yomi now but reluctantly

>>18732224
If you really despise the guy you'd better not mention him at all, even when shitposting like you do you still give him attention he doesn't deserve.
>>18732245
Honestly I just looked at it and I don't like how the UI is... I think I'll continue trying to salvage Rikaisama over it.

If you're not Team Mini, you can't learn japanese

>>18732273
they weren't talking about people

>>18732157

>>18732283
I agree wholeheartedly.

>>18732284
Of course they were.

>>18732327
it's not even possible to interpret their post as a weird metaphor for someone they're talking about

>>18732462
If you don't get it then don't meddle in.

>>18732465
are you sure you didn't quote the wrong post

How can HJGP have more entries than DoJG when the latter has three volumes?

what's she say here?

i hear 早く全部でしない which doesnt make much sense

18:18 latest ep

>>18732528
I heard 早く全部出しないよ, but I might have been too influenced by the subs.

>>18732204
I use Yomi. It was a piece of shit to get set up, and the way it formats the cards means my mining deck has a change partway through, but it works well enough and I really like that I can actually select the specific word if it happens to be third on the list or some bullshit, instead of defaulting to the top expression and requiring some archaic keypress to move down the list.

>>18732528
>>18732569
Both of you are wrong, she says 早く全部出しなよ which is informal imperative form.
出し stem form of 出す "to let out" + な (informal imperative).
食べな！ EAT!
Warning, not to confuse with informal negative imperative which is not put after the stem but after the non-past form.
食べるな！ DON'T EAT!

>>18732573
>and the way it formats the cards means my mining deck has a change partway through
i managed to escape that, it just drops the notation of verb/noun/adverb/adjective marker that rikai used to add
not a terrible loss

>>18732585
Oh wow, I just added an extra い right there, what the fuck, untrained ears.

Gotta listen more, gotta listen more

>>18732528
>「…まどろっこしいなあ。
早く全部出しなよ。<----
足りないんだよ。
もっといっぱい化け物を倒して僕を人間にしてよ。…」

Remark: Here("早く全部出しなよ。") the object is omitted.

おはようおにいちゃん

さくら

はざくらになってきた

>>18732528

>>18732573
Audio doesn't even work, I'm forced to pick the "(alternate)" option which doesn't seem to have that many audio files compared to the standard one.

>>18732604
こんばんは

DITFXX見てるanon多いんだね。
日本語の書き起こし(phonetic transcription)があったら役立つ(useful)？

>>18732619
>日本語の書き起こし(phonetic transcription)があったら役立つ
If this means what I think it means, yes.

>>18732613
I don't really understand people who use audio, especially on mined decks. Pitch accents are trivial, just hear the word ONCE and you've got it, or stick to standard and you'll be right 99% of the time anyway.

I didn't bother disabling it on core, but I never felt like it added anything.

>>18732484
HJGP is a single book that costs ~30 USD. The DoJG series is a trilogy that costs ~90~120 USD (depending on where you buy from), but you can get DoJG for cheaper than that used because it's very common. HJGP is very large, like almost two inches thick.

Each entry in DoJG takes up way more space than the entries in HJGP. Some of this is taken up by having more detailed explanations than HJGP, but the majority of the extra space goes to formatting, formulation examples, and the "definitions" (which HJGP usually doesn't have). You can directly compare >>18731777 to >>18731344 to see what I mean.

HJGP:
>Means "in spite of such-and-such a situation."* Followed by a clause that expresses a situation quite different from what would normally be expected to occur from the situation described in the preceding clause. Can also be used at the beginning of a sentence, as below.

DOJG:
>without any relation to a preceding event/situation
>although; though; in spite of; despite; notwithstanding; nevertheless
>1. X ni mo kakawarazu expresses the idea of 'in spite of X', where X is an action / state.
>2. The verb (i.e. Vinf) and Adj(i)inf can be connected directly with ni mo kakawarazu, but Adj(na) has to be nominalized before it is connected with the conjunction, as shown by KS(D) and Ex.(h). However, if the Adj(na) is followed by de aru, use of the nominalizer no is optional.*
>The conjunctions noni and keredo(mo) can replace ni mo kakawarazu with proper adjustments of connections.
>The basic difference between noni / keredo(mo) and ni mo kakawarazu is that the latter is used in written or formal spoken Japanese. The choice of ni mo kakawarazu of keredo(mo) / noni implies the stronger disjunctiveness**, that is, the former means 'totally contrary to everybody's expectation,' wheras the latter means contrary to everybody's expectation.'

* なのにもかかわらず is much less common than であるにもかかわらず, something like a ratio of 1:5 or 1:10. であるのにもかかわらず is even less common, by a similar ratio to the first.
** note: this isn't what disjunctive means, disjunctive is like "or"

DoJG is certainly not less complete in this entry, but if you don't know enough Japanese, you have no idea which parts of the explanation have any real importance. You might only memorize the のに form for na-adjective usage. HJGP only states the であるにもかかわらず form for な adjectives, but the nominalized の and であるの forms technically fall under the noun usage pattern that it lists, so it's not technically wrong here.

If you're curious, HJGP contains something like 970 entries, the DoJG series contains something like 630. Many of HJGP's entries are redirections, but not 30% of them.

There was an example a couple months ago where something was covered in HJGP that was only mentioned in one of DoJG's details inside a different entry. If you weren't using the pirated text version of DoJG you'd have no hope of finding it in DoJG. HJGP is designed to be extremely easy to look stuff up in, even for a paper book, it even has an index sorted by right-side characters instead of left-side characters.

There's nothing wrong with using DoJG if you already have it or you want to use the pirated plaintext rip, but otherwise there's nothing wrong with HJGP.

Should I play an otoge for easy nihongoes? I imagine that since the target audience girls, the language must be pretty simple. Do you guys have any recs? I have vita and 3ds as well. Pic looks pretty good.

>>18732649
>right-side characters instead of left-side characters.
Haha, yeah, I was surprised to see that sort of index in the back of the book.

This is why studying languages is worth it, now I know features of a book that I didn't realize were needed in the first place: indexes that arranges on both ends! I wonder if this is the case for other non-Latin-alphabet languages as well.

Thanks for the explanation.

>>18732627
example: >>18732601
Any ep, any scene you want (as far as i can watch it.)

>>18732649
good post

>>18732298
No need to agree, it's a fact

>>18732649
Hmm, I feel like DoJG shows connections between similar grammatical terms (noni/keredo mo with ni mo kakawarazu) while HJGP does not. Of course, that might just be for this specific example or there was an issue with the cropping.

>>18732706
DoJG does do that in general. HJGP only does it sometimes. Sometimes it makes connections between grammar terms that shouldn't be compared, sometimes it helps you figure out the difference between very similar things. I'm not a fan of how DoJG does it, but it's sort of subjective.

do you know 「SS」?
I guess that SS is read easy than a lot of descriptive part novel.
「SS」 was written by 2chねらー.it is derivative works of anime or manga.
basicly,SS was made only speaking part.so you can read easy.
SS does mean "side story" or "short story".

>>18732717
Where can I read this?

This seems similar to fanfiction, then. While I'm okay with the 'easy reading' part, my memories of fanfiction is that they are badly written, both grammar-wise and plot-wise.

Of course, a native's "bad writing" with a foreign speaker's bad writing is still on a different scale.

>>18732760
Reading bad writing is an important part of developing true literacy.

I can know a kanji but when it's in the middle of another kanji it will have a completely different pronunciation. How many kanji do I have to know before the pronunciation differences make sense and don't seen arbitrary?

>>18732779
You start developing a 'sense' of how it worked about few hundred kanji in. You might even attempt, in a futile way to make languages logical, to create a rule on when and where the pronunciations differ. Just go through with it. There are always exceptions.

Wht is there 2 threads up? Can't you autists just let this name bullshit go instead of trying to split the community?

>>18732760
http://sshouko.net/
there is summary website of SS.
actually,like you saying,
sometimes they will use their slang and strange grammar.
in that kind of meaning,I guess you can not read easy.

>>18732809
Finally I learned what the kanji for shit is. Only took me reading a 'love story' between 兄 and 弟.

Any recs on fodder content? Something I could just put on the background. (Like videos of people just speaking.)

>>18732944
Just watch some variety shows.

>>18732585
どっちでもないことがあるのかな

どうかな

>>18732944
check youtube

>>18732528

まどろっこしいなぁ
早く全部出しなよ
に聞こえた

>>18732809
Thanks for the link, anon!

For long I felt like these types of stories, told through imageboard, have a different 'feel' to them. 電車男 had some good adaptations, but the original story feels different.

Maybe I'll find a story like that here, but so far I'm liking the types of stories I found.

>>18732528
i think so,
出せ　is　most strongest saying and basic imperative form.
and 出せ is used word in exigency.

出しなさい = 出す　＋　しなさい
なさい was changed from なさる.
~なさる does mean "do something".you can use this word when you does talk your senpai or superior.
なさる is polite than する.

出しなよ = 出す +しなよ。
it is just middle between 出せ and 出しなさい.
if you use な or よ at word last.
it does mean like feel friendly and tender.

often, senpai, mother,big sister, and teacher does say that "~しなさい" to me.

Just finished watching all episodes of Naruto.
I can now read all 6000 kanjis and I've become ペラペラ.

>>18733345
Did you cry when it ends with ナルヒナ? That was a big deal in the Naruto fandom.

>>18733364
That was a translation "error" by the cartel.
True ペラペラ AJATTlemen (and AJATTlewomen) know that Naruto ended up Sakuraちゃんだってばよ。

How is sentence mining even supposed to work? What's a pass? You are just guessing a highlighted word within a sentence? Or do you make cloze cards?

>>18733645

the idea is you read the sentence aloud and if you pronounce and understand it well enough you pass the card.

皆、イースターおめでとう！

What are the two kanji in the middle?
ところどころ汚して＊＊を出してほしく

I suppose the second one is most likely 感, but what's the first one?

How far should I progress in Core2k for はなひらっ not to be a bitch to play?

>>18733985
if thats your first VN ever, as it was mine, its going to be a bitch either way
never confuse simple with easy

>>18733934
質感（しつかん）

>>18733934
質感?

>>18730410
I missed my reps for the first time in a month yesterday ;_;

>>18734008
>>18734009
Thanks!

>>18734010
ive missed only 1 day in over 2 years

>>18734010
Just give up already. I haven't missed my reps for a single day in 3 years. And that was the day I started.

>>18734005
Idk, it doesn't seem to be complex grammar-wise. I only ragedropped it because my vocab is laughably small and I got tired of looking up every word.

>>18734028
>あんき
>not 安気

>>18734036
>and I got tired of looking up every word.

>>18733985
What >>18734005 said (it was my first one, too), I was well into 10k when I started reading it, but it's not only about drilling core, there are things you only start to get when you actually read and stumble. You'll just have to do it, and the sooner you can start the better.

>>18734036
>I got tired of looking up every word
Maybe you're not sufficiently interested in the game. Try other games for a while. Or maybe read books.

Try >>18732809

>>18734036
You'll have to do it for a while anyway to start reading. I still look up a shitton of words, but it does get easier over time.

trying to to memorize the dictionary instead of looking up words as you come across them remains a baffling prospect

>>18734064
I...don't remember 'memorizing' the dictionary either for my native language (Indonesian) or English. Man, how did we do it? How do we remember our native language or our second languages, it's all a blur.

To be fair, I don't think either my Indonesian or English vocabulary increased all that much these past, oh, decade.

>>18734064
It's still a good idea to power through a few thousand words (2-5k maybe), since that will make reading that much easier and faster. Not a big investment with a high return, and of course you can read while you're doing it, too.

Of course, at about 10-15k it only makes sense to add your own vocab from reading and not rely on premade decks anymore.

I don't know what I'm doing wrong why my ITHVNR doesn't to auto-attach on my new rig. Auto-attach is checked, tried 'add profile', 'save', etc. but somehow after I've closed the VN and opened it again I still need to manually attach it. I've done this on my old pc I just can't remember how. Anyone can help me on this one?

>>18734080
>Man, how did we do it?
comprehensible input over years

Should I work on production, lads?

>>18734124
do you know japanese?

>>18734130
If I knew Japanese I wouldn't be here now would I?

>>18734149
then it follows you shouldn't work on production

you can't build something you don't have the parts for

>>18734087
It doesn't work on every VN.

>>18734062
> Maybe you're not sufficiently interested in the game. Try other games for a while. Or maybe read books.
I'm currently reading よつばと! and other stuff that has furigana, because drawing kanji with unfamiliar radicals is a pain in the ass (which is why I don't want to play the VN yet).
Just wanted to know how many words I need to learn, so I don't have to stop to look up basic shit like 寒い.
One or unknown words per sentence is fine.
When I was learning English, for example, ~3000 words were enough for me to play the English translation of "If my heart had wings".

>>18734249
one or two*

>>18734249
look at the stats for it then
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats

>>18734181
But it worked on my old pc using the very same VNs.

>>18734265
Huh, although dracoriot had more than twice the kanji of hanahira, it has comparable "VNFreqList 90% Target" and lower "VNFreqlist 92.5% Target" and "VNFreqList 95% Target".

Also, I don't know what the numbers in those VNFreqList x% Target" mean. I know the stats mean 'lexical complexity', but I don't know what 90, 92.5, or 95% means exactly. Anyway, gonna play Dracuriot next

>>18734265
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Old%20Stats
So does it mean that hanahira has 86% of Core6k ?

>>18734265
Or that 86% of the words found in hanahira are included in Core6k?

>>18732660
the average otome game crushes every "kami game" in all things literary tread carefully

>>18732803
maybe there should be 2 threads one for winners and one for losers..

>>18733985
hanahira is a meme because its actually a really deep and intellectual visual game not to be taken lightly despite seeming really braindead on the surface

>>18734124
>>18734149
go to japanese side of internet and just talk as much as possible till society begins to shape you

>>18734386
> go to japanese side of internet and just talk as much as possible till society begins to shape you
Except filthy 外人 are banned from posting on the websites that matter.

>>18734401
not if you pay for a golden membership

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e81qEAG1XBQ&feature=youtu.be

I play this typing game for training of typing.
that is interesting.

>>18734401
you can make excuses or you can make it happen

this applies to everything in life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp_ffk0LM4

>>18734421
> paying to later be told to fuck off by every single nip poster

Another day another 400 new cards of anki cleared. Today felt the easiest so far despite the slowly growing reviews.

>>18734036
I only ragedropped it because my vocab is laughably small and I got tired of looking up every word.
But you're supposed to look up every word you don't know so you can add them to your mining deck!

if you spend too much time in the mines you develop miners lung..

>>18734517
>4 hours
this has to be an エイプリルフールのジョーク

>>18734517
What do you do, anon?

>>18734581
4 hours in Anki is pretty standard.

>>18732204
I don't use Anki but i use Rikai with an old version of Firefox.

>>18734656
It works on Waterfox if you disable multi-process.

>>18732204
sitting on the floor cross legged in your shorts with a fan blowing on you on a midsummer day flipping through a paperback kanji dictionary is the certified way to become one with the nihongo

>come back after a week in japan
>1178 reviews due

ugh this is going to take many many hours

As of this month, it has been four full years since I started studying Japanese. You may remember me as the guy who posted here last April saying he has studied for three years. I don't go to DJT anymore and haven't for about two years, but I feel compelled to make these yearly progress posts since DJT (O-OJT?) is the place that got me going in the first place, and I know I would have been interested in this kind of post back then. I won't go into as much detail as last time since basically everything's the same.

>Study with DJT methods for 2 years: anki, tae kim, DOJG, etc
>Life stuff happens, stop doing anki for one week, can't bother catching up to the 1000+ reviews
>Spend two years doing literally nothing but reading VNs, manga, LNs, etc (no text hooker by this point) (I also got a new computer and never reinstalled Rikai because I just forgot about its existence due to not needing it)

Total anki cards done in first 2 years: Around 10,000 (Core2k/6k up to 3kish, then 7kish cards from mining).

Where I'm at: I can basically read anything I want in Japanese without blinking, excluding the kinds of things that would give me pause even in English, such as wikipedia pages for advanced math or stuff like that. When it comes to most things, like Amazon reviews, chuunige, whatever - I read Japanese like it's my first language. I don't even think "I'm reading Japanese" when scrolling through Amazon or skimming through a LN, I'm just reading like normal. The trick is that once you know 99% of the vocabulary and are extremely comfortable with the grammar, you keep reading past words you don't know without even realizing, unconsciously filling in the gaps with context. Just like you won't know every single word in a tough English fantasy novel, you won't know every single word in a tough Japanese fantasy novel, but it'll be okay because the speed of your reading and context will make it so you don't even realize you don't know the occasional word.

But the real point of this post isn't for me to dick suck my reading ability. It's to be a warning, basically repeated from last time: Do listening practice. I do pretty much nothing but read, and that causes serious problems. I rely on kanji to understand a lot of things, and my listening is extremely subpar even when I know the words being said, simply because I'm so reliant on kanji. I can hear ほうそう and be stumped for a solid ten seconds despite knowing 放送 like the back of my hand. Listening practice is something that's easy to skip because reading is (for me, anyway) so much more fun and comfy than watching shows, but don't fall into that trap. You HAVE to do listening practice or you'll end up a Frankenstein monster like me, easily tackling hard books but stumbling every time the spoken language gets involved. Constant listening practice is necessary to not end up reliant on kanji for comprehension. My advice is to watch at least one episode of anime, live TV, some youtube show, etc a day. No subtitles unless you're super early in your studies and don't know the words they're saying in the first place (actually, I guess that'll take at least a year, which isn't "super early"... guess my perspective is a bit off now). Live TV will often have some subtitles anyway, that's okay, it can't be helped.

Examples of good things to just watch an episode (or preferably more) of a day. Note that these aren't so much specific recommendations as they are general examples.
Normie channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZf__ehlCEBPop-_sldpBUQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCibEhpu5HP45-w7Bq1ZIulw
Virtual youtubers: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy5lOmEQoivK5XK7QCaRKug https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCevD0wKzJFpfIkvHOiQsfLQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7AX9AjrSug
Let's play channels: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKEUwnF-h0VwDjKrJvd16ZQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrFvxZKw4X6oCFDt1j-NqPQ
Live TV shows: ゲームセンターCX ガキの使い
Anime: You don't need examples

Anyway, just watching anything like the above each day is important. You can't let yourself fall into the "I'll just do anki and read" trap - you have to do listening practice if you don't want to end up being half godly and half awful at Japanese. And the ideal is probably as much listening practice as reading, as I don't spend a lot of time listening myself I can't give confident advice, but the more listening practice the better.

>>18735355
Okay. With that out of the way, the other thing I want to talk about is scope. An important language learning concept is "compelling content", it's best to study by reading and listening to things you WANT to read and listen to, because that will encourage you to study more and you'll be more engaged with what you're doing. However, it's important to not get too absorbed in compelling content. Even at my level, when you're 4 years in and can read basically anything, there's something easily to overlook: scope. What is the scope of your knowledge? If you're like me, you'll end up extremely familiar with otaku terminology and exaggerated, colorful language in general. That's good. But if you don't go out of your way to specifically study outside of that scope, you'll end up being woefully unprepared for many things. As an example, I once did an interview with a Japanese company and they asked me about railways including but not limited to the 赤羽線 and the 埼京線 . As you might be able to guess, I knew jack and shit about railways. I'm not saying you should study railways specifically, but it's important to keep a broad scope and study things outside of your bubble. For those who meme about JR being in the core decks, you can eat my dick. I think Anki's best purpose past the Core2k/6k point is not to help you learn practical vocabulary, but to help you study things you'll never see in pretty much any media, but are still worth knowing, like the names of historical figures and events, current politicians, and so on. I would never say you need to move to Japan to learn Japanese, but it's unarguable that when it comes to actually knowing about Japan, moving there is probably the most effective thing to do - good luck having intimate knowledge of railways and subways without having lived there. It's not very compelling, but going out of your way to study these things and read news articles will go a long way towards improving your Japanese, even not in very useful ways. I've been studying for 4 years and I didn't know the name of more than a few railways. I can guess that at this rate I could spend 8 more years studying by reading media I'm interested in and will still never learn railways. That's won't be a problem, but it's something to consider. Especially if you send an application to a Japanese company and they start drilling you on your practical knowledge.

And that's it. Ask me anything if you want, I'll answer for as long as stay in the thread. I'm not the best role model because my studies are so half-assed, but hey, maybe I'll be able to help a little. I hope you enjoyed my autistically long posts.

>>18735364
Was it worth it?

tldr if you dont eat a healthy balanced diet and get plenty of sleep and exercise and drink plenty of water you will become deficient

>>18735355

>I can hear ほうそう and be stumped for a solid ten seconds despite knowing 放送 like the back of my hand.

this seems unfathomable to me...

>>18735421
I'm actually employed by a Japanese company in a pretty comfy job so yeah definitely, I would be flipping burgers otherwise. Other than that, though, I love Japanese media and this may sound silly but the language itself enhances the media so much, translations will just never capture the original fully. And that's not even mentioning how much stuff I love that doesn't get translations at all. It's very fulfilling to download random things no one's ever heard of and be able to read/play it without needing to pray for translations. It helps that I only studied hard (reading DOJG until falling asleep, hours of anki, etc) for the first two years. I've basically just been reading for fun for the past two years.
>>18735452
It's what doing nothing but reading will do to you. I've read hundreds upon hundreds of books, but watched like 100 episodes of TV total. In four years.

>>18735473
can you speak to the idea that you can read words but you carelessly missed certain concepts that were conveyed in i dont want to say phrases exactly because this idea doesnt apply to just set phrases and you didnt figure it out till much later that you werent getting correct meanings out of some things despite being able to "read" them?

this is an important thing i find people in these threads to be completely unaware of

>>18730410
You're still at it?

>>18735594
I was against it at first but this an alright-ish compromise. Now if we can just keep it at one new thread each time it dies

>>18735558
There's definitely depth beyond the text and you can read/recognize words and yet not get the intended meaning, be it due to subtext or not knowing all usages of the word or not knowing cultural context etc. There's not much to say on this subject I think except keep reading and gradually accumulate more familiarity with the language/culture until one day you look back like "oh huh, that actually meant ____". And also to never expect 100% comprehension of a language, because beyond vocabulary and grammar, there is an infinitely large aspect of language to study, cultural context, that you will never be able to "finish".

can the い in all ~ている progressive verbs be dropped when speaking, or is it just a select amount?

>>18735355
４年間も勉強したというのですかぁ？
実に勤勉ですねぇ
あなたの勤勉さに…脳が…脳が震える！

>>18735473
You wouldn't happen to have a list of books you've read?

>>18735355
>>18735364
Thanks for your informative post. Once you dropped anki, what did it take you to realize realize you didn't need it? How had your ability to pick up new words and their kanji changed by that point? I see anki as a necessary evil for picking up kanji readings, but I would like myself to move past it one day. Indeed already I'm beginning to feel some readings come more and more intuitively as I discover new words.

>>18735677
いや、正確に２年だけね
I didn't mention it but my production is overall pretty poor too, but I write to my coworkers comprehensibly enough for them to understand what I want to say. I think listening plays a key part in production because a lot of the times I know what I want to say but I can't put the sounds together, I can only think of the kanji.
>>18735703
I said "books" but that was just me combining VNs, manga, LNs, etc into one thing to be more brief. I don't list out every single thing I read since I like Narou ( https://syosetu.com/ ) and there's no bookmeter for Narou. For reference, I can read a whole LN in like five or six hours and there have been times where when reading a LN series I just read a volume a day for weeks straight. I have a VNDB and bookmeter but I want to stay anonymous if possible.
>>18735726
As mentioned in my post I'm pretty shit with kanji readings, so if anything I would be representative of why you should stick with Anki. I want to say if you watch a lot of TV you won't need Anki (because you'll pick up the "readings" from speech), but I can't say anything for sure since I don't have much experience with listening practice. The thing is that rendaku and other things will throw wrenches in guessing readings correctly, stuff like 自然 being read as しぜん no じぜん can cause lots of problems for example.

In any case, it's not that my ability to pick up new words had changed or anything, I just didn't feel like catching up to my 1,000+ reviews so I didn't. I could read well enough on my home so I just kept reading, and now here I am. Overall I'm way better at Japanese now than I used to be, but me sucking at production and listening make me more of an example to learn from than an example to follow. Unless you just want to be really, really good at reading.

>>18735659
yes I can.
～してる is like casual spoken language.
~している is like a written language than ～してる.

>>18735355
>Where I'm at: I can basically read anything I want in Japanese without blinking
Outline of what you read in this picture.

>>18735833
That would fall under "excluding the kinds of things that would give me pause even in English".

>>18735795
Wait, so are you saying that you would read something like 放送 and understand exactly what it means but not its reading?

>>18735865
If you asked me "how do you read 放送" I would be able to guess ほうそう, but if you asked me "what does ほうそう mean", my reliance on kanji would lead to me basically stumbling for a minute straight as my head spins trying to find the answer. I usually read too fast to sound out words in my head so I don't have nearly as much familiarity with readings as I do with the kanji.

>>18735856
Ah, another guy that thinks he is good at reading while not touching anything remotely hard.
>>18735879
> I usually read too fast to sound out words in my head so I don't have nearly as much familiarity with readings as I do with the kanji.
You understand that's your major problem with listening ability, right? Therefore your "warning" in the op post is basically worth nothing.

つまんねえ奴だな

>>18735914
>Ah, another guy that thinks he is good at reading while not touching anything remotely hard.
I mean, I don't judge my English ability by how well I can comprehend Finnegan's Wake. A Japanese person would struggle pretty hard with that image too, you know. If we're getting into upper level mastery that even natives fail at, sure, I suck. I never claimed to be a God of Japanese that could recite the 玉音放送 from memory while reading the complete works of 永井荷風 at the same time.

>>18735934
dont forget youre in the autismo extremo thread and dont let the haters pull you into their losers ring

i dont even know why its necessary to fuck with you when you made it clear that becoming a great nihongolist is まだまだ先 for you

i guess theyre just jealous that you got in the mix and theyre still texthooking and using flashcards lol

>>18735355
>>18735364
What changes in your daily life did you make to achieve that level, if any?
Funny that you used the 放送 example because it's the exact same word that I use to justify myself the need for more listening practice.

>>18735833
in the first place, is there realy Japanese language?
least,I think that is ancient writing.there is too much katakana.

maybe,there is written about village in old japan.

I can guess from these a word.

明治十年五月（year1878 AD may)
水村（ river next village)
初夏(first summer)
隅田川(sumida river)柳（Willow）繁殖（breeding）

>>18735879
naruhodo. Thanks for sharing. Out of curiosity, do you have any plans for fixing your imbalance? I imagine if you force-fed yourself listening material you could quickly progress. Honestly I'm surprised you listen so little, I find it a great aide to learning to be able to read and listen to something. And then in otherwise "null/wasted" periods of my day I can have Japanese audio going.

>feel like my reading ability has reached a plateau because I like to read SoL oriented novels
>tfw want to get better but don't really want to read anything else

>>18736001
Thanks lad.
>>18736025
The major daily life change was just studying everyday. Instead of playing phone games on the bus home, I would read a PDF of Tae Kim's guide. When hanging out at a friend's house, I would excuse myself for 30 minutes to do Anki reviews (not new cards, just reviews). That kind of thing. You don't really need any drastic changes in your life except devoting more free time to studying. And taking fish oil, that's important.

After the beginning stages, I guess you could call it a lifestyle change to focus on exposing yourself to as much Japanese as possible. I stopped reading any and all translations, I would only read VNs, manga, etc in Japanese even if I sucked. I also made sure to read at least an hour a day (following the completion of Core2k and thus me learning enough Kanji to not want to kill myself trying to read things).

Really, as long as you devote a lot of your time to first studying and then reading/listening/etc, you'll get good at the language no matter what. So the changes that happened in my life were just about me spending more time studying/reading/etc and less time playing video games or whatever. I actually recommend leaving DJT once you get to a certain level, because otherwise you'll end up like Nukemarine, discussing and arguing about language learning strategies forever instead of actually spending time with Japanese and getting better.
>>18736082
I don't like really like TV and pretty much never watched it before and after starting Japanese, so I'm in a bad spot. The huge list of youtube channels I posted above are things I've been trying to spend more time watching, but I just stop out of apathy because I'd rather be reading or doing something else. I'm actually thankful for the virtual youtuber craze because I'm an uber moebuta and they appeal to me more than most other Japanese youtube channels I've seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DyrHaltwZI . I've been watching 静 凛 stream when I can because she's ultra moe and that's basically 10% of my overall listening progress probably.

>>18736111
That looks more or less in line with what I'm doing right now, and I can already see the changes in comprehension.
Nice trips, btw.

sorry bro gonna take a quick qk and do my flashcards

>>18736158
Hey, they knew I was studying Japanese and I'd rather duck out of the room to finish up some reviews than break a habit and let them build up. Doing something daily and forming a habit that you don't break is pretty important overall I think. I've casually helped some of my friends get into studying Japanese (some who even had Japanese classes in HS/College boosting them), but literally every one of them stopped after breaking the daily routine and not getting back into it.

>letting your japanese progress be hindered by normie memes like "friends" in the first place
I'm not surprised you're having trouble with listening, this wouldn't have happened on AJATT.

I had perfect Anki attendance.
Don't mind the huge decrease in time spent after the first few months, that was me realizing Anki still tracked time even it was in the background... or something. After realizing that I changed how I used Anki such that it would only track time while I was actually using it.

Shizuka Rin, her voice is …what shall i say.
just creamy？it is not higher too.so good voice.
and I like エイレーン＆ヨメミ too.

>>18736218
thats alotta flashcards

you shoulda posted that in the real djt thread because the op image was made for you >>18730275

i mean you basically admitted it yourself and its what ive tried to tell people for a good while

whats important now is you dont let up right
you talked about the daily routine but now that you graduated from flashcards you gotta make a new one and its one you gotta work hard on yourself to create to work on all your deficiencies

because you already identified them all you have to do is break them down further and target them specifically and create a regimen around them and with some time you will be the fully bloomed nihongo プロテアの花 that youve already sprouted as

dont stop my ninja 夢つかむまで

>>18736026
It's not ancient writing it's written in 1900+ and the text doesn't have old grammar.

>>18734325
>Also, I don't know what the numbers in those VNFreqList x% Target" mean. I know the stats mean 'lexical complexity', but I don't know what 90, 92.5, or 95% means exactly.
That's how much coverage is the "target". So for Flyable Heart, you need to collectively know the consecutive/top 2645.00 most common words among these visual novels in order to recognize 90% of the non-grammatical words in Flyable Heart.

>>18734337
It means that learning all of Core6k will familiarize you with 86% of the non-grammatical words in Hanahira. But that stat's not very accurate, it should only be used as an example of why mining is more important than frequency lists, the frequency list will always be different than what you're reading.

NEETs only.
How many new cards a day?

>>18736453
69 or so

>>18736453
- Decide how much time you want to spend per day
- Always do all reviews, even if you go over that target
- Fill the rest of the time with new cards

>>18735355
>>18736218
Do you have some reading recommendations for a beginner (except yotsubato)?
And: Did you start reading at 3k Anki cards?

test

>>18736453
Any less than 30 is unforgivable for anyone with an IQ of at least two digits.

>>18736111
>And taking fish oil, that's important.

Quick question about 慌てる
I just came across 慌てず and why is ず at the end? What is it doing?

>>18736593
https://www.weblio.jp/content/慌てず
Fucking 教えてちゃん

>>18736608
I woudn't ask it here If I could manage to read it.

>>18736593
jisho.

>>18736613
It doesn't take a genius to hover over that shit with whatever extension you're using and figure it out.
Hell, you don't even have to know the first part
>打消の助動詞「ぬ」
>が付いた形。
You can figure out what to Google based on that.
Alternatively, next time, don't skip TK

>>18736613
http://www.imabi.net/zu.htm

>>18736626
>>18736622
>>18736620
>>18736608
Why is everyone so nice today?
Indeed it was an easy thing to figure out & shouldn't have asked that

>>18736632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ_p4nActyo
You can now read the title of this song. Congrats.

I think I'm going to fall for the kanji meme to boost vocab retention. Can I just pick a kanji deck or should I go through radicals first?

>>18736665
read more

>>18736641

Do we know anything about the status of vocab audio source yet?

>>18736719
there are none

>>18736726
Man I sure want it back.
It's way too convenient to just be gone.

>>18736665
RTK and KKLC teach you the radicals as part of their program. I wouldn't recommend going through a random kanji deck with no method.

>>18736470
It's actually
- Decide how many words you want to learn in a year
- Divide that number by 365

Anything less than 30 is complete ankilet tier.

>>18736766
Doing more than you can handle just leads to burnout

flashcardsとかやる無能は早く死んだほうがエエよ爆笑

>>18736776
>burnout
aka being an ankilet
burnout is for the weak. if you burn out from doing a measly 20 extra minutes of flashcards a day, especially as a neet, then you should reevaluate your goals and fix your motivation problems. bottom line is that if you want to be a vocablet for more than two years then go ahead and do your wimpy 20 cards a day because you're worried that you "can't handle it" and you'll "burn out".
a year of 20 cards a day (and this is assuming that you actually do all 20 every single day, but since you're worried about burning out you'll probably give yourself a bunch of rest days anyway) is only 7300 cards. 40 a day is 14600. how long do you want to take to learn japanese anon?

>>18736873
About 5 years. That's how long I spend to be good enough at English to actually go to an English-speaking country.

i have managed to read for an hour today hooray.

There's no excuse for not doing 100 a day.

>>18736980
>he didn't learn english just from playing videogames and spamming chats with his broken english

>>18737002
>>18737004
100 hours of reading per day??

Dang, how do you find the time.

>>18737004
I'm learning this language to read porn, I'm not in any hurry.

>>18737021
theres ways

>>18737036
i never thought about it but nihongo is actually incredibly easy to read upside down lol

>>18736499
Just read what you want to read, really. Pretty much everything's gonna be rough in the beginning, may as well read something that's entertaining to you. The only thing I could specifically recommend is focusing on VNs, because text hookers saved my life when I didn't know kanji well, but if you don't like VNs then there's no point.

If you really want a specific recommendation, Zettai Reiiki is the first manga I read in JP only and it was super moe. Things like To Love Ru (dumb SOL harems) are good too because you're not missing much even with awful comprehension.
>Did you start reading at 3k Anki cards?
Yeah. I know it's probably objectively better to start way earlier, but reading was a miserable experience before I got to 3k-ish cards and knew over 1,000 kanji (Core2k coincidentally teaches around 1,000 kanji, or at least, the core2k/6k I did did).

>>18737036
Now we're doing it like Da Vinci

>>18737046
you might be dyslexic
>>18737055
literally unreadable

>>18737015
You can't not learn English.

>>18737060
>he can't read text upside down easily
>he's not autistic
psh... nothin personnel.. normie

>>18737070
i'm maximum autism man

>>18737055
upside down and mirrored isnt that bad either at that size

>>18737002
My stats for last month (reading time in minutes)

>>18737084
Congratulations on your skills.

>>18737084
Except the furigana, but that's just a dekinai problem.

>>18737094
i think mirrored on a page i didnt just see might be worse tho

>>18737099

>>18737105
is this what you would see if you read japanese in a book from right to left?

>>18737105
you cant make it right side up thats cheating

nah even stuff like さ and ち arent a problem cause you already know the word before you stop to notice

>>18737117
>right to left
god fucking damn it i ruined my shitpost

How can you translate 事務連絡? Some kind of "work communication"?

>>18737127
>god fucking damn it i ruined my shitpost
いいえ、完璧だったよ
面白いと思った
ありがとう

>>18736746
>RTK and KKLC teach you the radicals as part of their program. I wouldn't recommend going through a random kanji deck with no method.
I see. Which of those two would you recommend?

>>18737090
How do you measure the minutes? Do you do all those straight away (like on 26th you did 190 minutes, which is >3 hours) or do you break them off into blocks?

Also, are those 'pure' reading minutes where you focus on the reading or are there distractions like what I am doing right now with 4chan?

what happened on 4th, 9th, 13th, 21st, 27-28th?

>>18737149
if you're a scholar: clerical communications
otherwise: business communications

>>18736499
>3k Anki cards
Herein lies proof that if you post a dumb meme enough, people will start taking it as a general rule

>>18737207
I'm using an android app that was meant for tracking work time, but it works just as well for reading books (defining each book as a "task").
Those are sums for the day, and its pure reading time (but including some dictionary lookups)
Starting/stopping the timer is easy (just click the notification)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nordicusability.jiffy

>>18737229
I personally use https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aloggers.atimeloggerapp

>>18736766
>>18736873
Doing 20 new words a day is better than getting behind and depressed and missing months of anki, which can happen. I don't understand why you want to spend time on an anonymous posting place boasting about your mental fortitude.

>>18737207
>what happened on 4th, 9th, 13th, 21st, 27-28th?
No idea, I was probably busy with real life stuff, I guess. That's actually the first time I'm looking at the stats like this (I usually only care about time per book).
I would've expected more peaks to be at the weekends, because I work during the week

国境の壁を建って！

>>18737276
Because where else can one boast about mental fortitude, especially if said fortitude is "spending more time in a flashcard program"?

>>18737237
That seems better for people who want to track where all their time goes, but I really only need it to track the time per novel, to see if I'm actually improving.
My app is super comfortable for that workflow.

>>18737330
Yeah I literally just use it to track how much time I put into a single manga I'm reading. It's my reference for how my reading speed improves over time.

>>18737276
sorry the truth is too much for you. im trying to help you retards get your priorities straight so you dont end up doing brainlet tier anki and regret the level you're at in 2+ years. youd have to be a special kind of stupid to start learning something that takes as long as japanese does but crack from doing more than 20 new words a day. if you dont want to take the redpill that's fine, you can stay being a whiny faggot worried about "depression" lol

>sentence decks

>>18737413
My apologies, I only skimmed your comment. But I think I got the gist of it.

I disagree.

>sentence decks

＞あ、友達は無理です
＞友達ではない
Does anyone think there is some kind of hidden meaning in these lines? I heard them in a movie and just can't stop thinking about the intent of the writers and connections to deeper themes... it's got me absolutely perplexed

Is there an anki deck for the VN Freq List used in the VN stats? http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats

>kanji study
Meme.
>radical study
Not a meme.

>>18737510
this
>>18737484
you can download the list from http://wiki.wareya.moe/Frequency%20lists but there's no deck no

>>18736873
>>18737413
You sound incredibly insecure and I doubt anyone will listen to you.
This is not a race and no amount of your buzzwords and goading will change that

If you haven't completed RTK you're not serious about learning Japanese.

>>18737552
rtk is worthless

>>18737558
this

>>18737541
ok brah you can be the tortoise, and i'll be the hare cya.

>>18737276
>Doing 20 new words a day is better than getting behind and depressed and missing months of anki
How the fuck do you do that?

>>18737567
What, getting behind and depressed and missing months of anki?

Much easier than doing 20 cards/day, mate. Depression makes being depressed like the easiest job to do.

>>18737566
You do know who wins that race, right?

>>18737577
The friendship they made along the way?

>>18737577
The hare didn't lose because of burnout though

>>18737589
Exactly, the new tomodachi.

>>18737577
yeah difference is im not stupid enough to take a sleepy
if you had a brain you'd know that the point of that story is that the hare will always win as long as he's not a fucking retard

>>18737597
no the hare is supposed to sleep on the slow guy not on the ground

>>18734087
bump

actually since im not even racing you so it'd even be okay to take a sleepy. sprint up to the finish line and then take a comfy sleepy while you're on the struggle for an extra 2 years lol have fun

>>18734087
it takes a while to auto attach

otherwise it's just broken or you have a different version

ゴホンっ

わたしはとんでもないゲイなのでございます

>>18737595
So it is also true then that the goal of learning japanese is not the media you'd be able to consume, but the people you can talk to regarding that new consumable work.

Indeed, indeed, the 「hare and the tortoise」 story had far-reaching morals and lessons I did not even imagine as a kid.

>>18737629
actually let me show you what its all about for real https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxHjN2wu0B0

>>18737517
Can someone turn this into a deck please?

>>18737649
What stops you from doing it yourself?

>>18737572
Even if you work 12 hour days, 20 a day is easy and takes little time. It sounds like you できない and are using depression as a scapegoat.

>>18737644
Dammit, I'm not good enough at Japanese to understand the 「Real Meaning」yet!

In three years, anon, I shall return and I shall show you how I've taken your teachings.

>>18737662
it's really time consuming

>>18737676
Screw you, then.

>>18737668
this discussion was supposed to be limited to neets only too so how the FUCK are you gonna tell me you can't do at least 40 a day

>>18737681
update 4chan x or refresh the page

>>18737676
So, like you do with mining and normal anki decks, turn them a number at a time.

>>18737683
better spent reading dude

>>18737687
yeah no

>>18737691
Okay.

When you started to read, how many pages a day were you going through?

>>18737698
zero

>>18737698
about 69 or so

>>18737698
I read raw manga because I wanted to know what happened way before I even started RTK, so the answer is "the whole chapter" or the "whole volume". How much I understood was far less.

>>18731644
The final boss is words made of many kanji that sound like Chinese and can throw you off completely to the point of losing track when listening, like 裁量労働制

If you don't finish 6k in two months, you will never make it.

Between ス and イ, that can't be ユ right? What could it be?

>>18737688
to an extent. if you read 5+ hours a day like you should as a neet, then there's a big benefit to doing more anki per day so that you can knock out your unseen words and have more fun reading. honestly after like 3 vns you already have a good enough grasp on the language to read nearly anything else, all you're limited by at that time is your vocab. the main thing you train by reading more at that point is pattern recognition which correlates to reading speed

>>18737728
if you've already read like 3 vns you have far graduated from needing anki

>>18737722
How can the final boss not be the eternally regenerating 俗語, that morphs and distorts its own shape every time?

>>18737727
ゴ, by the looks of it.

I can't even be confident.

>>18737727
katakana 'go'

>>18737597
the point of the fable---> *




your head -----------------> o

>>18737751
>>18737761
You're right, that would make the most sense. Thanks.

>>18737727
今スゴイこと言わなかった？

I just started learning Japanese 3 days ago how fucked am I?

>>18737668
>Even if you work 12 hour days, 20 a day is easy
Have you consistently worked 12 hours a day and added 20 new cards every single day? It is not easy. You have to factor in your commute, a half hour for lunch, time spent preparing your food, eating your food, getting through reviews, reading outside of Anki. By the time you factor all the shit in you would be getting 6 hours or less of sleep a night. I can't do that -- there was a time when I was consistently putting in 50 hour weeks at work for over 4 months and I burnt the fuck out.
>>18737777
Your life as you know it is over.

>>18737736
yeah sure you can throw out anki and end up like this tard >>18735355 who skips over any words he doesnt know and doesn't actually learn them and be fine with your "99%" comprehension and not even know kanji readings and just know what they mean instead

>>18737763
brainlet drone who can't see past common normalfag interpretations and intended purposes and create higher meaning from material absorbed confirmed

>>18737777
Not at all? Unless you have an N1-level exam tomorrow.

>>18737777
If you can't read kana by now after grinding DJT Kana for three days, you're fucked.

>>18737784
that guy knows japanese though

>>18737777
オマエハモウシンでイル

>>18737791
Why is iru at the omaehamoushin?

>>18736453
It was 40 before but now I'm doing 400! I might turn it up to 500 if I'm on track to finishing earlier than normal today, not sure.

>>18736665
Don't do it just read.

>>18737794
北斗の拳のセリフだとおもう

>>18737795
When do you go through your new cards? Do you have them mix with reviews?

>>18737783
nobodys talking about ADDING 20 cards a day idiot. it's easy as fuck to add cards if you just listen to steve and go past easy books or add premade decks instead of your own mined one. stop complaining about not having time to do shit, if it's actually important to you then you make time. stop eating food that takes a long time to prepare, only sleep 6 hours a day because any more is a waste of your time, don't meditate for a fucking hour like matt does. i dont like ajatt but not for the same reasons people like you do most likely, keep making excuses for yourself and keep cutting corners in your life

>>18737818
>listen to steve
huh what, who?

>>18737784
Do you lookup every single word you don't know in your mother tongue?
And do you know every word in your mother tongue?

>>18737818
meditation is the only useful thing that matt shills though

>>18737833
sorry I meant napping

reminder to coughpotato yourself for 15~30 minutes after being awake for 5~7 hours as it's part of the normal healthy human metabolic rhythm

>>18737818
>nobodys talking about ADDING 20 cards a day idiot.
>Doing 20 new words a day
そう～、そうですね

>>18737839
couchpotato wow i'm bad today

>>18737818
>listen to steve
That's the only intelligent thing you've said in this entire thread, although ironically you're not taking your own advice -- he just released a video last week putting ankidrones like you on blast

>>18737827
are you serious? i havent come to this thread in a while but newfuckers don't even know steve?

>>18737795
this guy knows whats up

>>18737839
yes napping is good, i recommend trying for a type of uberman sleep schedule for my fellow neets

>>18737849
uberman doesn't work, just induce non-24 in yourself and nap halfway through your wake cycle

>>18737833
>>18737839
>>18737841
otitukeyo niichan

>>18737858
never i'm on dopaminergenic stimulants

>>18737849
>newfuckers don't even know steve?
Can't speak for others, but indeed I don't. Maybe I'd know him better by his youtube channel name?

>>18737867
apparently the word is dopaminergic and i'm dyslexic

>>18737867
>>18737870
oniityan..

>>18737869
Steve Kaufman, our lord and savior who died for the sins of dekinais everywhere, only to rise again and spread the gospel of compelling content to the world.

>>18737870
eh, endogenous chemical substances are a bitch to remember and type correctly unless you're like a biochemist or something.

Maybe I should make an anki deck about this.

>>18737881
not worth it, spend time figuring out what spherical harmonics are instead

>>18737867
>>18737870
Strattera? That never worked for me like Adderall

>>18737891
no i take pure methylphenidate, it has the weakest negative effects on sleep cycles and in the 0.01% chance case that i don't have neurological ADHD, it won't cause neurodegeneration like amphetamines do

if you ingest the cum of japanese man youre 69% more likely to learn nihongo

>>18737885
>spherical harmonics
That's some mathematical shit, and as a biologist that's far too abstract for me.

So is there like a Core2k deck for this or do I need to learn its 'kana' first

>>18737848
steve says the same shit over and over in all of his videos. anki is good especially for japanese compared to other languages, and he supports flashcard/anki as long as you aren't a fucking idiot and don't substitute it for actual reading and listening. as i said before you should be reading for at least 5 hours a day anyway. anki boosts your vocab faster than without it period.

>>18737855
i don't recommend a full uberman, non-24ing yourself is fine if you're a neet

>>18737904
if you smoke japanese ジャズ・タバコ you're 420 percent more likely to learn nippon language

>>18737921
but do I have to smoke it 毎日 though, that's the question. I don't know where to turn to for the answer!

>>18737880
Ah~ The japanese verb endings video guy.

>>18737901
Eh, either way you can't really win http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0033693

>>18737968
take caffeine with it and you win

is there a way to reset your progress in anki for a particular deck?
It's been a long while since I last reviewed my cards, so I wanted to start it again from the beginning

>>18737984
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1432861881

reminder that the guy shitting up the thread about how you need to do unsustainable amounts of cards a day did 0 (zero) for at least a month because he "didn't feel like it" (i.e. burned out) but is now bragging about his mighty feat of doing a dumb number of new cards for like 3 days so far without burning out again
pity him

リマインダーわたしはゲイ

No but for real, 30 cards a day should take 40 minutes at an absolute max. 30-33~ if you're good about it and don't waste time trying to dig things out of your memory too hard. And then you'd have to have less than 66% retention for you to be learning less than you would if you did 20 a day at 100% retention. 30 a day isn't some meme parroted by people trying to get you to burn out either, it's entirely sustainable unless you actually work 12 hours a day 5 days a week and your job leaves you wanting to die at the end of it every time.

>>18737848
yes steve did put ankidrones on blast, but i am not an ankidrone which you would realize from my posts if you had a brain half the size of mine. this discussion was about neets. neets have enough time to do an extra 20 cards a day instead of reading an extra 30 minutes or jerking off one more time. steve's video isn't talking about people that have unlimited time like neets, he's mostly talking about people who advocate droning flashcards and textbooks, spending too much time on them over real listening and reading (like all of his videos)
https://youtu.be/t26IPxExmzs?t=384
https://youtu.be/t26IPxExmzs?t=664
for any of you newfuckers or wagies out there who don't know this, as a neet, or anyone who reads enough, you will hit a point where the only thing holding back your reading ability is your vocabulary, having to look up unknown words. anki helps you learn them faster and remember them better. you can safely ditch anki at 10-20k words if you're like this guy >>18735355 and are fine with being able to understand moe sol material while getting through everything else by context, and you do learn words without anki more easily as you go on, but for neets and people who put in a lot of time, you definitely want to use anki.

>>18738020
>it's entirely sustainable unless you actually work 12 hours a day 5 days a week and your job leaves you wanting to die at the end of it every time
Depending on your means of transportation, you could do your reps during the commute.

>>18738020
yeah 30 is doable, but it's near the limit in the long term
it also depends on the content of your cards, if you're mining every word no matter how easy you could do more, but that's a poor use of your time

Fess up. What eroge are you learning Japanese for?

>>18738044
that gomers a idiot tho

he said japanese is so easy compared to something like russian wrt "verb endings" because russian verb endings are crazy or w/e with how many there are

he doesnt realize that what you cant find on a list is where japanese catches back up

literally a bunk ass old dude who every time he jerks himself hes deathly afraid of squirting out sand knowing that every nut could be his last

>>18738057
The eroge called "Attempting to Apologize to My Japanese Friend Because I Abandon Them After Constantly Asking Them to Translate This Silly Manga for Me, Because I'm a Shitty Friend".

It's a very hard eroge and I don't want to do it unprepared.

More seriously, erotic LNs. I have been utterly blue balled by most harem LNs having really hot girls, I want to read one where they're actually fucked.

>>18738057
Anything with lolis in it

>>18738057
女子のおしっこいじめ

>>18738069
I mean, I guess I get it, somehow, but I still don't quite understand how 視線 can 泳ぐ. I'm not even sure this question makes sense.

>>18738020
Doing 30 cards a day split 20:10 between mining and core decks takes me on average one hour with 77% retention. Maybe I'm just retarded.

>>18738067
do they really make double spaced large type with occasional illustrations erotica books for teenagers

>>18738069
はい警察・・

>>18738088
LNs where people are shown fucking do exist, yes. sadpanda had them. Not sure if it's "for teenagers", though.

>>18738096
are you an idiot or

>>18738096
>sadpanda had them
>going to an image browsing website
>to read pages and pages of novels
I'm sure there's a better way to waste your bandwidth.

>>18738108
Or.

>>18738088
>はい警察・・
It's fine, he isn't a suspicious person

How do you deal with noise when studying?

>>18738136
I have a pair of over the ear headphones that I wear. In addition, I bought a bulk pack of hearing protection at the hardware store, which I slide into my ears under the headphones. On top of that, I'll play train noises and shoegaze music from the headphones, and it's just barely enough to drown out human voices and traffic without damaging my ears.

>>18738081
Figures of speech, Japanese use them a fuckton just like English compositions. The line of sight pierces the scene. The eyes move about. The eyes flutter. The gaze lingers. The eyes fade.

>>18738136
Depends on the sound source, for the most part.
1. foam earbuds. they sell them at the pharmacy. learn how to put them in correctly, and you're probably not going to hear anything around you.
2. closed back headphones will cover your ears with a bit of suction, but it's really only equivalent to putting your hands over your ears IF they are not producing sound.
3. white noise sound generators, like fans, or you can do youtube videos. combine this with closed back headphones and you will have a pretty effective means of isolation.
4. active noise cancelling headphones are made to match the incoming sound waves with opposite sound waves for output sound, so as to effectively cancel out sound with sound. once again, combine this with white noise and you have a good means of isolation.
5. if your noise is coming from leaky cracks in doors or windows, or just shitty insulation in general, you can purchase things like sound proof caulk, vinyl matted door/window coverings, soundproof blankets or curtains.

The quick and easy method for most cases is going to be the foam earbuds.

why is the ちゃんと where it is

>>18738044
I wish my brain was as big as yours... how about your other parts?

もしかして君は。。。ゲイ？やらないか？

>>18738320
do you notice the space between 時 and ちゃんと dude

>>18738320
Because that's where it belongs.
今日はちゃんと「いってきます」って言え

>>18738320
What are you confused with?

>>18738349
i guess the definition of ちゃんと given on jisho and how it fits with the rest of sentence. like i
know that it says "youtsuba, today when you go out to play, tell me you are leaving" but ちゃんと may or may not be doing something i dont quite fully understand

>>18738369
ちゃんと勉強しなさいよ

>>18738369
ちゃんと止めてほうがいい

>>18738388
>-てほうがいい
ungrammatical

>>18738388
>>18738376
なるほど

>>18738408
> ungrammatical
How unsexy of you

>>18738409
この意味ちゃんとわかってるかい

>>18738444
>かい

>>18738454
なんだい

why is いい加減 only used ironically?

>>18738454

Is there a way to use Yomichan for English to Japanese? Or is there a similar plugin with Anki support?

Reminder that meditation increases your retention by 10%.

autism

some day nihongo will find you all

What's the best way to look up words from a physical source(physical manga, books, VNs without text hookers), and without using rikai-kun or texthookers?

>>18738709
>>18734899

>>18738709
Take a pic and OCR it.

>>18738709
Get the google translate app and point the phone's camera at it with the app open. It's honestly the only reasonable way to OCR real world text in a reasonable amount of time.

>>18738709
ask my japanese girlfriend to tell me what they are

>>18738709
An app with radical lookup and drawing. Sometimes I can't draw it correctly, other times I don't know which of several radicals to pick so I draw it. Or if I know a word with one of the kanji, I'll search it, and then I'll look at all words with that particular kanji for my target

>>18738977
What app did you use there?

>>18738709
Asanagi is such a lazy fucking hack.

>>18739103
post some art then

>>18738709
How do I know how to read names?

Do I just...memorize them as they come across or what?

>>18739167
Do you know what kanji are?

>>18732585
>Warning, not to confuse with informal negative imperative which is not put after the stem but after the non-past form.
Holy shit. I wonder how many things I've misunderstood because I assumed it was negative imperative instead of informal imperative. Thank you.

>>18739084
Akebi. The jisho app has a better interface for radical lookup but doesn't have writing

>>18739175
So I do have to memorize them as I come across them, then. Man, those are names, too, there's less meaning to them. Gonna be harder to memorize.

>>18739178
I wonder where they get their example sentences from.

Are we going to make it?

>>18739247
You're winning, man.

>>18738001
30 x 25 = 750
(27 x 0) + 3 x 400 = 1200

Short sharp burst and then taking it easy is doing almost twice the number of new words per month compared to a guy going steady.

Cute.

>>18739357
There's like three doujin based on this scenario, plus a game or something.

>>18739357
trapped on those fat legs of hers

>>18739223
From the tatoeba project, apparently. I don't use the sentences that much but they have a wide variety