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>>18718372
What did Reimu borrow Unzan for?

Reimu really, really didn't like going underground.
Also the Satori reviews are so sweet.

>>18718378
marisa "if it ain't straight, it's about to be forever late"kirisame

>>18718388
Read the manga
https://mangadex.org/chapter/109612/1

Reimu HATES the SA cast!

>>18718366
Wow, I thought Satorin would be humble.

>>18718547
I thought it was sarcasm since she realizes her predicament because of her mind reading power.

>>18718372
>she never grows up
>nothing she does surprises me anymore
>personally, I would have just ignored this youkai
>a filler stage with a filler boss (laugh)
B U L L Y I N G

>>18718360
>>18718366
Satori is a good girl and deserve more love

Okuu is canon wife material

These are great I'm glad he does these.

>>18718360
So Parsee isn't a total bitch according to Satori?
And Okuu always trying to help. Good to know.

>>18718424
Jews trying to outjew each other.
Gensokyo is such a great place!

Reimu was way too nice in the UFO reviews, she disliked everyone in all her other reviews

>>18719920
She was in a good mood for once. Just look at how happy she is at her UFO portrait

>>18719920

>>18718360
Post the older ones too, OP. I'm retarded and never saved them.

>>18719920
When she isn’t always pissed, it shows her kindness at least

>>18718366
Orin, the new softest Touhou?!
Move over, Youmu!!

>>18720899
Orin has very fluffy fur, but does she compete with rans fluffy tails?

>>18718378
>Marisa hates Shou's curvy lazers too

Truly the people's protagonist.

>>18720039
Please this. I always forget to save the images and have to go back and read it on the wiki, it's not as good.

>>18718460
That's kind of the point. Satori's crew is widely despised even by the residents of the former hell and that's one of the reasons they always stay underground.

>>18718366
-1 is really harsh even by Reimu's standards

>>18721143
She must have some really deep thoughts that mustn’t be seen

>>18721196
Giving everything a 7 or an 8 is such a Youmu thing to do.

>>18721143
Why would you expect something else. Satorin in SA was nothing but cheeky asshole.

>>18721319
almost all of her reviews are just about Yuyuko too

Everyone hates Satori, but Satori loves everyone! Good girl!

>>18721196
Wonder why Reimu gave Mystia a 9.
I mean I don't blame her, but "thank god I didn't have to see her terrible danmaku" a pretty low opinion thing to say.

>>18718360
>>18718366
Based Reimu telling it like it is.

>>18721623
Satori reading into your mind to see all those lewd thoughts!

>>18721764
She gave her a 9 specifically because she didn't have to see her shit.

>>18721962
Based on what?

>>18718372
A 5 from Reimu for Kogasa? Holy fucking SHIT

>>18722648
She's lucky Reimu seems to have been in a good mood that whole incident

>>18718366
7 is rough for Satori to give Koishi when Okuu/Orin are 10 and Satori herself is 11.

>>18722700
It's a loving 7 though. It's because she's always worried if she's alright.

>>18718378
So is Shou literally bound to the Myouren Temple?

>>18721196
>I never want to see a butterfly again
I can't wait for her TD review

>>18723129
Dunno, but definitely not physically at least. She wandered Japan/Gensokyo helping people for, I think, centuries (or at least one century?) letting it fall into disrepair and not saving Byakuren/the others.

>>18720957
Wait a minute, just where is Orin's fur located... I mean the hair on her head isn't fur now, is it?

>>18723129
I don't think so, she can definitely move. I think she's bound to the temple only functionally so since she is directly the object of worship, and people would be wondering where the avatar is if she wasn't around.

So like for Kanako and Suwako they are relieved that people pray to the lake and mountain so they can just move around whenever and people will keep praying. Shou probably can't leave at will because people are directly praying to her image.

>>18723203
Probably talking about her transformed bakeneko form. Or her thick bush idk Satori is probably a freak in private.

>>18723203
Orin can still turn into a cat at will so she probably is in that form when sleeping next to Satori.

>>18723214
>her thick bush idk Satori is probably a freak in private.

This is what I was thinking sasuga Satori

>>18721221
>maybe I should just destroy her asap
Plotting genocide and murder with Reimu!

>>18723203
Her fur is probably all over the place under the shirt. There’s probably some by her puss puss, but that is obvious

Even ZUN think of kogasa as a filler
Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks so

>>18718378
Everyone likes Byakuren!

>>18721196
So how canon are these things? Sakuya says Remilia can change fate "just like that".

>>18718547
She's always been smug. The interpretation that she's insecure and depressed because of her ability has no basis.

>>18723203
>the hair on her head isn't fur
Why wouldn't it be fur just because it's on her head? Hair is fur and fur is hair.

>>18723382
She’s already been given a better counterpart in nue who can actually scare people

>>18718547
Why? She's somewhat rude in SA.

Humble Touhous do not exist.
Each and every one is an asshole.

>>18723494
She just have seen too much shit

>>18723463
Very canon, but don't take everything they say 100% seriously

>>18718366
Could satori be more full of herself? No wonder none likes her.

>>18723942
I recall her being pretty polite up until she realizes the protagonist intends to pick a fight with her and/or burglarize her home.

>>18718366
This blows the "sad-of-being-hated Satorin" fags out of the water, if they still exist

>>18723966
>Humble Touhous do not exist.
Aunn?

>>18723966
So just like /jp/ then, huh.

>>18726699
>>18723966
Kogasa is fairly humble and only prideful in skills she's actually, well, skilled in.

>>18730234
...So, nothing?

>>18724609
She immediately starts reading their minds because that's what she does. She also has to try to read them, by the way, it's not an unconscious ability. But, that's what satori do, so of course she reads minds and voices thoughts aloud. Rude, but her nature. It is why she is hated.

>>18730239
Ironsmithing, actually.

>>18730239
Can't read and even rude to that. What a jerk.

>>18730242
I have to admit that I really don't get why this is seen as such a huge deal. Saying what people are thinking is at most a mildly annoying invasion of privacy. Most other youkai do things that are both more dangerous and more obnoxious. I would much rather have Satori read my mind than to fall off a cliff because some asshole fairy or tanuki decided to pull a prank with some illusions.

>>18730543
Did you forget that mind-reading isn't the only thing she can do. There is a reason she is certificated jerk that was exiled.

>>18730543
Did you forget that mind-reading isn't the only thing she can do. There is a reason why she is certificated jerk that was exiled.

>>18730543
It really is just that it's annoying having everything you're about to say said aloud, and god forbid you have any legitimate secrets because she will air them without a second thought.

>>18730242
Where does it state that Satori has to try and read their minds?
afaik one of Koishi's reasons to shut off her third eye is so that she can't read the minds of the people that hated her.
>>18723382
ZUN actually said in an interview that being a "surprise" is Kogasa's reason for being there, being that she doesn't fit into the story at all and is just there.
So yeah, she's been created for the purpose of somewhat being "filler".

>>18730628
>Where does it state that Satori has to try and read their minds?
It's implied by the fact that she tries to read the mind of your partner character and also in at least one ending tries to read Okuu's mind, only to see that she's forgotten why she started the incident in the first place. It never states that this is unconscious, or a burden. Even now Satori refers to it as a power to possess, not a passive ability. Straight answer is technically we don't know if it's conscious or unconscious, but we do have evidence for the former and none for the latter.
>afaik one of Koishi's reasons to shut off her third eye is so that she can't read the minds of the people that hated her.
Yes, she did, but think about that. It wasn't because she was hearing voices all the time, it was... so she wouldn't be hated. As a satori, as a youkai, her nature is to keep reading minds, and she found a conflict in her natural desire to pester and her foreign desire to get along with others. She shut her third eye, and then became un/subconscious.

Personal headcanon/theory: the reason the satori's eye is an eye is because it works like a third eye would. It has to actually look/peer into another's mind, actively, like you would with your eyes (but not with your ears, as you can always hear things unless you shut them completely). With your eyes you basically only see what you want to see: what you're looking at.

>>18730604
She's absolutely capable of causing a lot of suffering, to be sure, but she didn't come across as being particularly sadistic in SA. In most routes, she's polite and tries to be helpful until the protagonist antagonizes her. She's also well-liked by her pets, so she presumably doesn't go around inflicting trauma on everyone around her as a matter of course.

>>18730605
It just seems funny that most people in-setting seem to find this more offensive than youkai that will maim or kill people on a whim. "That kappa might rip my soul out through my anus, but at least she won't tell anyone about my secret porn stash."

>>18730685
It's a societal hatred. Youkai are a natural fear. Does that make it make more sense?

Like, wolves can kill you if you wander into their territory. Does that make you hate wolves, or would you just be afraid?

Satori also induce fear, but it's not a life threat. Like I said though mainly they're aggravating.

>>18730685
>she's polite
She's "polite", most of that personality of hers is literally a facade.

>>18730666
>It has to actually look/peer into another's mind, actively, like you would with your eyes (but not with your ears, as you can always hear things unless you shut them completely). With your eyes you basically only see what you want to see: what you're looking at.

A: You can easily filter out not hearing what you don't want to hear, like the noise of a computer fan.
B: The fact that Koishi closes her eye fucks her up implies that heir third eye is always open, so they are always able to see, making it only a matter of if they choose to focus. Even with your idea, what's in people's minds is probably always in her peripheral vision.

Although I wonder if Satori's third eye has a blind spot in it like humans and a lot of other animals do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_spot_%28vision%29
She only has one of them so you'd be completely invisible to her powers in that space.

>>18730804
That's not really easily filtering out. Drowning noise with other noise doesn't always work, earplugs aren't 100% etc.

And while you're kinda right about Koishi, I feel like there's some idea there about the third eye as a mystical concept, and the consequences of closing it, but I don't know much about the idea in any context really.

Anyway Satori never struck me as someone just hearing thoughts, especially with her reaching for them. Furthermore it just makes more sense to me. Usually mind readers like her and Koishi are portrayed as sympathetic for being secluded hermits hated by society, or for being people who always hear others' thoughts and get upset by it. In contrast when Satori chose to seclude herself, you quickly learn "oh, it's because you're really fucking annoying and can't stop being annoying. Also you're a cat lady", which is more in line with Touhou's tongue-in-cheek ways. I can't directly prove anything but it sure seems like her nature itself, like with many youkai, is her "problem", not the ability she has causing trouble for her. She causes trouble WITH her ability, by choice.

>>18730827
>That's not really easily filtering out. Drowning noise with other noise doesn't always work, earplugs aren't 100% etc.

You don't even fucking understand. You can literally ignore and not hear things you aren't focusing on, not by drowning them out, but because your mind filters them.

>>18730889
You still hear them.

>>18730889
oh right, I should say: there's a reason listen and hear are two separate words

>>18730903
Then by that measure, Satori always sees your thoughts.

>>18730909
No, because like I said you can't see what you're not looking at. Vision isn't 360 degrees, though hearing is.

>>18730913
>Vision isn't 360 degrees
There's nothing stopping it from being other than the placement of your eyes. And if her eyes are metaphysical, they probably work on anything in her general vicinity. Do you think she has to actually scan their brain with her eye staring at them and you can avoid her power by standing behind her?

>>18730929
Perhaps. Why else does all her mind reading in the series involve people standing before her, or spirits, or animals?

Also the mythical youkai satori only reads your mind if they spot you on the mountain.

>>18730889
This is what I'm thinking about as well. Their third eye is likely hearing random things all the time and they're just filtering it out.

It's hard to imagine, but it's hard to imagine a new "sense" in general and how they'll work. We can't even properly imagine how we'll control extra limbs.

Koishi's whole shtick with her subconscious power even plays with this. Her power technically allows you to see her, but she's just ignored as random and unimportant by your brain so it just filters it out.

>>18730944
When she figures out that Reimu is getting communicated with from somewhere else instead of just talking to herself, she does say "Above ground is too far away, so I can't read her heart" in Yukari's scenario.

That implies some kind of extended range, in my opinion.

>>18730968
>likely
Based on what, is what I'm wondering.

>>18730973
Sight also has such a thing. Our vision is not limitless. Though that does imply that she could see through physical barriers. It also serves to my idea that it's an active ability though. Why would she have to look if... she doesn't have to look?

Literally EVERYONE hates Aya, jokes aside. Hecatia's relatively new in Gensokyo and somehow manages to dislike Aya. I think even Momiji doesn't like her all too much.

Poor bird.

>>18730996
Nothing poor about it, Aya is an ancient asshole.

I love how she takes Hecatia's biased theory that Sagume is influencing her and claims that this is the truth of why she wrote that tabloid, not that she's a liar who spreads misinformation constantly. Some people have even, ironically, accepted Hecatia's postulation as fact--that Sagume was the reason behind Bunbunharu's existence, even though part of the point of the book (as even noted in the forward) is that the truth isn't easy to grasp.

Not that Sagume is a total innocent, but her interest in Gensokyo has long been minor, and there's more evidence of her holding back on tampering with Gensokyo than not (because she needed to get rid of Junko, but didn't want to destroy Gensokyo).

>>18721196
>sakuya gave meiling an 8
SakuMei confirmed canon

>>18731049
Sakuya is nice to Mansion residents.

>>18730987
It would just mean that it's out of range. Satori and Koishi's abilities are not a "power" like some magic laser but a new sense.

You hear even if you don't want to hear. You taste even if you don't want to taste. You don't have to actively try to do these things.
Heck, this is the implication of Koishi "closing" her third eye. She didn't need to cut it, she just permanently closed her eye. Meaning that everything that eye sees before sees their hearts.

Information about the range of her eye isn't exactly well-documented, but I think it's fairly obvious that Satori doesn't need to actively try to read your mind considering that one of the reasons of Koishi's breakdowns is her inability to accept everyone's hatred for them.

If it was easy to stop actively reading minds then Koishi would just stop then everyone would be happy.
This implication is even more proof that this is not an active power but a sense, although I thought it was fairly obvious.
The moment that Koishi stopped reading minds part of her brain literally goes blank. Same with other senses.

>>18731013
>Aya is an ancient asshole.
But she's not!

>>18731068
>If it was easy to stop actively reading minds then Koishi would just stop then everyone would be happy.
>>18730666
>think about that. It wasn't because she was hearing voices all the time, it was... so she wouldn't be hated. As a satori, as a youkai, her nature is to keep reading minds, and she found a conflict in her natural desire to pester and her foreign desire to get along with others.

>>18731068
Also you're still ignoring how she does actively try to read minds several times as I pointed out. You can hand wave it as a focus thing but there's no statement to that. That's just a theory whereas I have actual reason to believe she's looking, consciously, because she's looking, consciously.

The idea that a closed eye would thus become unconscious makes sense to me then.

>>18731078
A natural desire doesn't make sense. Koishi literally closed her eye for her to stop reading the minds of others and for everyone to stop hating her.

She needed something as drastic as changing how her body works just to stop reading minds. She had enough willpower to do something that completely, utterly betrays what makes her a Satori.

Koishi doesn't care about being a Satori. She even boasts how the unconscious is better than the conscious mind in SA. Her caring about her "natural desire" as a Satori doesn't make sense for her.

>>18731090
What the other guy said makes sense, though. Sight is only limited by the placement of your eyes and the range of what you can see.

>>18731090
When does she "actively try" to read minds? You can't really call her mind-reading in SA as any form of effort.

>>18731205
>A natural desire doesn't make sense.
Why? On what basis do you say that?

If she denied her nature then it just sounds like you're agreeing with me. Again, like a yamabiko echos, a satori will read minds. Does a yamabiko echo unconsciously, or does it choose to open its mouth and repeat you because that is what it's compelled to do? The nature of simplistic beings is a constant factor in the franchise. Why would you think "denying one's nature" makes no sense? It makes PERFECT sense. "I chose to close my eye for good and cease the temptations that previously brought me despair, now I appreciate the unconscious mind instead". Furthermore it can't be said Koishi "appreciates" anything. She's kind of insane and not a whole "being". You can't be sure how she is now is how she was before, and how she is now is basically impulse and madness.
>Sight is only limited by the placement of your eyes and the range of what you can see.
Certainly, but the idea of "looking" is still an active choice. You could absolutely say that she "sees" without trying to just by aiming her eye at you if you're operating on my headcanon, but then, she still must consciously decide to turn that eye on you and not only do that, but "read". The difference between opening a book and actually taking in the text.
>>When does she "actively try" to read minds? You can't really call her mind-reading in SA as any form of effort.
>>18730666
>she tries to read the mind of your partner character and also in at least one ending tries to read Okuu's mind, only to see that she's forgotten why she started the incident in the first place. It never states that this is unconscious

>>18731264
BY THE BY

We actually have another example of a youkai who denies their nature and, while not suffering for it, she does get called out on it as a bad thing to do. At any rate, we know it's possible for a youkai to not do what they're compelled to do.

This youkai is Yuuka. Shiki Eiki explicitly tells her to follow her nature and do what she's supposed to do: terrorize humans, the thing almost all youkai are compelled to do. Yuuka denies her nature because, funnily enough, she's too interested in... nature. Like, flowers and shit. She doesn't go around spooking people, though she will still scare a person from time to time.

>>18730543
I don't think it's strange at all. If I was trying to talk to someone and they kept interrupting me and saying what I was thinking it'd be extremely aggravating, and knowing they could read your mind seems very scary if you have any secrets or if you would ever have to fight them. After a couple interactions I'd likely have a feeling about them like Reimu does, which is you should stay away.

>>18730996
It amuses me when people say things like "Reimu HATES Yukari!!". No, Reimu is annoyed by Yukari. Reimu fucking hates Aya (and Satori). The only person in canon that I think gets along with Aya is Kosuzu.

>>18731049
>>18731056
Hard to really take anything implied by AFiEU as fact, and it seems natural that an ad for work at the Mansion might exaggerate how nice it is. However I agree that Sakuya is kind to everyone in her mansion, and her review of Meiling pretty obviously shows she has a high regard of her abilities. She assumes Meiling's normal diligence would have been able to beat Reimu and Marisa, which is a crazy estimation of Meiling's power.

>>18731431
>Hard to really take anything implied by AFiEU
I was partly joking. She complains about the maids a lot and they're clearly uncomfortable in that ad. Remi is kind to the maids, but Sakuya has to clean up all their messes, and there must be so many.

>>18731449
I'd still work at the mansion to be honest

>>18731264
Because if she wants to deny her nature enough to actually permanently be unable to read minds then she could just stop doing it?

You know, do the less extreme version?
If it was so easy to stop reading minds then she could just NOT read minds.
If it was a constant desire of the race of Satori to read minds then her eye would've opened by now considering how a body works. This is why I said her not cutting it and just closing her eye makes sense in that regard.
By closing your eye you choose to not see. A Satori cannot choose to be unable to see unless they do this. Makes perfect sense.

Speaking is not a sense. Those are also a Youkai's nature, not an extra body part. You seem to forget that these third eyes are an actual body part and an extra sense and not just something like that.
Essentially you're arguing that their third eye right on their body that's always open doesn't see anything until they choose to do so.

Yamabiko are also not Satori, so it's irrelevant.

Quite, the idea of looking is an active choice. But, you still see it. Whether it's in your peripherals or your brain chooses to ignore it, it's there. You choose to look but you always see it.

Same with reading. You see the text but you choose not to read it.

You can't really call that an active effort. On one scenario, she gets confused that "you're having thoughts that are not yours" until she notices someone above ground she can't see with her third eye because they're too far away.

It's fairly hard to know with how little she's been in canon on how hard she's trying to read minds. It's portrayed so incredibly lax and effortless, though.

>>18731345
That actually helps my argument, though.

Yuuka fairly denies her nature as a Youkai fairly easily. Hell, now that I think about it, with the dawn of the Spellcard rules almost all Youkai now do.

If it was truly just some base desire for Koishi to read minds, then she could've just stopped like what Yuuka did.

>>18718360
Parsee is a good girl who deserves love

>>18731463
>>Because if she wants to deny her nature enough to actually permanently be unable to read minds then she could just stop doing it?
The idea of Koishi closing her third eye is, IMO, similar to the extreme act of castration. Removing your sexual organs is one way to not want to have sex anymore. It removes your compulsions for the act. Eunuchs got that lovely treatment.

It is extreme what Koishi did, but that's what makes her case a tragic one. First she denies what it means to be herself, which insults her family and makes her family worry about her, then the consequences are that she goes mad from doing this, and wanders eternally, thoughtless. All this because she wanted something simple, but did something extreme to get it.

We also don't know how exactly Koishi's closed eye "works". Given she seems to have it "permanently" closed, rather than closing it like you'd just close your eyes and doing that forever, I have to imagine there's something strange about how she changed herself and had that eye closed. Anyway what I'm arguing is that I have points of reference to her actively looking, and you have no references to her unconsciously looking. So, I don't actually see how it's an argument. I don't know how that freakish eye works exactly, but I do know what little we were actually told about it, rather than speculating based off what seems to make sense to me.

My bringing up yamabiko is also absolutely relevant. The idea is that neither MUST do what they "feel" they must do. Kyouko doesn't always echo people. However, she IS supposed to, and will allegedly frequently. I'm bringing this up as an easy to relate to example of a creature that does something they feel they're supposed to do, because every single being in Touhou that isn't human is like that. They choose to do what they're doing, but at the same time their choices are effected by compulsions. Another example would be the generic youkai's willingness to attack humans. Rumia, for instance, is supposed to but mostly lazes around unless a human happens across her.

And reading is absolutely an active effort. To look at text is just to look at it. To decide to intake what you're seeing, is to decide to actually read. That said, reading your first language is effortless in most cases. But this is honestly straying too far with a metaphor. We don't know how Satori sees, reads, or listens to thoughts, and what form they take. She also has an ability of hypnosis, by the way--something I think Marisa observed? That's certainly not unconscious. But anyway she can even read "danmaku" in your mind, and you're still ignoring how she attempted to read her own pet to no avail. If she had to make an attempt... I dunno, period. She had to. She didn't look into Okuu's mind and just see, so she went looking for it and did not see.

My final point is that you seem to be arguing from a metatextual perspective and not taking much credence from what we know (and we do know though yes it is a little amount). The "mind reader" is almost always an unconscious one in fiction, so it's easy to assume the satori would be one too, especially with her and her sister's seemingly tragic past. Though it's not actually tragic (not completely), and your conversations with satori reflect that. Not only does Satori read your mind, she is compelled to say what you're thinking. That's her nature, and another way you can compare her to a yamabiko. She even reads Marisa's mind during Nitori's route where Marisa starts thinking nonsense deliberately. With a straight face, Satori repeats it all. Of course. That's what satori do. Nature once more, as is the commonality in Touhou, but not necessarily the greater realm of fiction.

In long and short, the satori, at least from what I can tell, borrows more from Professor X than the tragic psychic. They are nosy.

>>18731493
But she didn't. That doesn't mean that it was easy to stop. Yuuka is an ancient and powerful youkai, denying her nature might come easier than it would come to Koishi.

>>18731049

>>18731569
We don't really know much about how the third eye's biological specifics work so I suppose theorizing about it this hard leads to no where.

I get the idea, but it's different in concept. Speaking is an active thing. Eating is an active thing. They are things the mouth does when it feels like it. You have to exude effort to do these things.
Seeing is not. You always see unless you gouge out your eyes or close it. Disregarding the moisture (hence the need of blinking), it's more of an effort to close your eye than to open it seeing as in a natural sense your eyes are open rather than closed.

And the fact is, Satori have a third eye. As far as we know, most Youkai don't have an extra organ just to use their powers, so their scenario is different.

That's what I'm saying. You have to look to analyze, but you see the all the things that your eye sees.
You have to listen to understand, but you hear everything around you.
Sadly, you can easily see something you don't want to look at and hear something you don't want to hear.

An extension of their ability isn't exactly the same thing. Using your comparisons, a Yamabiko's yell shouldn't be able to echo lasers but it does.
You don't seem to know how her danmaku copycat works. Before her copycat spellcards, she will threaten you with "true power" or something like that.
Reimu or Marisa will think of the spellcards they hate and she uses them. Their partners' spellcards come to mind since they're the one they last talked to.
She sees the hearts and minds of people, she is unable to read memories.

There's an ending like that? I've beaten 3 scenarios and all of them were just the two partners talking to each other. I've also skimmed the endings in yt and none of them seem to feature Satori.

She's more mocking you than she's compelled to do it. Satori likes being what she is.
You're also saying that she's compelled to do somewhat what a Yamabiko does and echo the minds of others, which doesn't seem very Satori. That's not in their memo and is pretty pushing it.


Yuuka isolates herself fairly easily, though. Her terrorizing humans is just when they come near her garden, and that's what every single animal does near their territory.

Every youkai, young or ancient, denied their nature when the Spellcard rules, hell, Gensokyo was created.
Youkai mutually coexisting with humans denies the MOST base nature of almost all youkai out there.

>>18731769
>There's an ending like that? I've beaten 3 scenarios and all of them were just the two partners talking to each other. I've also skimmed the endings in yt and none of them seem to feature Satori.
I misremembered. It was no ending, but the extra story.

Furthermore I misremembered the exact details. This can be taken either as active or inactive. She couldn't see, and while there could be an implication that she tried to, it doesn't mean anything. My other points about her looking for minds to read, though, do stand.

Anyway I'd argue it's not different necessarily. Sure we don't know how it works, but not even all of our organs as humans have direct functions. Our lungs will process oxygen automatically, our ears will hear regardless, but parts of our brain control how we act, and parts in our pants too (more eunuch comparisons, but given the similarity of "a desire to do something versus an actual need" I think it's worthwhile. If Satori NEEDED to read minds, she wouldn't seclude herself. As it stands it's just something she feels she must do).

Again on yamabiko, Kyouko's ability to reflect danmaku isn't necessarily tied to her "ability" to echo. In fact I'm pretty sure they aren't. One is a thing she's capable of, the other is a thing her species does as a trait. Her "ability" (really it's just a reflex, or something; like wolves howl when others howl) is just something that she does as a youkai created from the idea of "what exactly IS an echo?"

Also again Satori's ability is hypnosis (not clear how, but yes this is in Grimoire of Marisa and is described explicitly as hypnotism, though yes it is to bring out something she's looking for since memories aren't surface accessible), and I wasn't saying she copies danmaku from reading, but was more bringing up "she can see danmaku in your head for christ's sake, how the hell could we possibly know what she 'sees' when looking into someone's mind if she can even 'read' something like that?" It was more of my point that a reading metaphor, or even a seeing metaphor, were kind of useless. Without direct statements it's entirely speculation what Satori sees when she looks into someone's mind.

>She's more mocking you than she's compelled to do it. Satori likes being what she is.
This I just don't agree with. She's not being mocking here:
>Marisa: Huh, huuh? Well, okay.
>I guess I'll just have to beat her and search the house.

>Satori: "She can read my mind?
>That has to be some kind of trick."
>"If that's true, she can tell what I'm about to think."
>"Kappappa-, kappappa-,
>taking a big bite out of Kyuuchan cucumber-"
She could've stopped before the kappa song, but repeats it because that's what the satori of myth do. They don't mock you, they just repeat to you what you're thinking. She starts reading minds aloud for no mockery any time she meets someone. I am not pushing anything. You can say it doesn't seem like her but she is proud of what she is and has no qualms about doing what she does, like most youkai.
To quote myth:
>People are said to meet them while walking along mountain paths or resting in the mountains. Upon reading a person's mind, the satori would say the person's thoughts aloud faster than a human could.

Yuuka is supposed to seek out humans and scare them. Instead she does not. Rumia is the same. Both will indeed act like animals, but youkai are supposed to actively find targets and spread terror. Doing otherwise "isn't right". As for spell card rules I MUST disagree. No, the rules were meant to preserve their nature while not allowing that nature to bring Gensokyo to ruin via destructive battles or the widespread death of humans (which allow them to exist). They still spread fear, humans are still afraid of them, but now no blood is shed (unless they're outsiders). Youkai, generally, only have to scare people and even while coexisting they do that. As far as we know, very few NEED to eat humans. Just vampires, and they only need some blood. Otherwise they eat humans because, if I remember right... they're tasty? I think that's it. And, the threat of being eaten serves to fear.

>>18731431
In reality, it's probably a misprint. Given the text in their boxes, Meiling probably accidentally swapped numbers with Patchouli.

>>18731947
I'm not sure, I always took the 2 on Patchouli to be Sakuya trying to express that the fact that she had to fight Reimu/Marisa at all is a huge failure on Sakuya's part.

>>18731989
Same here. The reviews are pretty much all bullshit except for Marisa. Reimu either doesn't remember the character or rates based on annoyance/usefulness, the other characters tend to rate based on preference entirely, ZUN comments, and Marisa actually talks about danmaku seriously. Usually.

>>18732005
Marisa is still a bit biased, she tends to rate based on pure firepower and less on beauty of design. Or, if she thinks something can be useful to her like Hina or Nazrin she'll give them a bump too.

They're all kind of off in their own ways.

>>18731921
I can see you but not necessarily look at you, so my point stays the same as well.

It's not a desire to see things and it's not a desire to hear things. It just happens because that's what they do.

Then I'll use a different species. Mamizou as a Tanuki should only be able to disguise herself but is able to disguise other things as well. A lot of the youkai with innate racial abilities have extensions of it.
A closer example to Satori would be Sekibanki. Sekibanki has an innate ability that her head is always detached. This is what her race is no matter what.
She is also able to make more heads. This is an extension of that characteristic.

She secludes herself because everyone hates her and she doesn't want to read the minds of people that hate her. I don't peg her as a masochist or someone that aggressively tries to make enemies.

These metaphors kinda work in the basis that we know Satori as a species can close their eye and not see the minds of others.

She's proving to Marisa that she can actually read minds. It's not mocking per se, but it's definitely not something that feels like she did because she "desires" to.

She doesn't exactly mimic what the Vengeful spirit says when she was talking to it during WaHH, and I'm pretty sure she's not mimicking everything the player character is saying either.

She picks the things relevant and speaks it back to the player in order to answer something, prove something, or mock them. The character and their partner was speaking back and forth and she doesn't mimic everything. She could also hear what Reimu/Marisa's partner was speaking in their mind but she doesn't mimic it either.

Right, and they don't do it now. They betrayed their desires not too hard. Rumia especially considering she's a very young youkai and is able to do it.

Humans are Youkai's natural enemy and food source. Youkai are not supposed to be buddies with Humans, as lions aren't with deer.
It preserves their nature to fight and live but betrays many things that makes them Youkai.
Humans fear them for their power but they barely do anything to them anymore other than play a game. Eating your prey is one of the most basic animalistic desire for anything out there and to just stop doing it is kinda odd, but they were able to.

>>18731921
Oh, and also, Kyouko doesn't even echo anything the character says back at you.

You seem to forget that Nature != Desire. A youkai can have a specific nature but doesn't exactly desire to do it.
You seem to think that Satori just read minds of people because they can't stop doing it like a drug addict that doesn't want to take drugs but can't help it, but loads of youkai in the series have betrayed their nature. So much that we don't even know what type of Youkai they are anymore.

It's in the nature of Oni to be reckless and party all the time. Kasen doesn't do it anymore.
It's in the nature of Vampires to drink human blood. Remilia doesn't do it anymore.
It is the nature of Foxes to trick and deceive. Ran doesn't do it anymore.

Being their nature as a species doesn't mean they just can't help but do it, but they are just inclined to because that's what they do.

>>18732141
>Kyouko doesn't even echo anything the character says back at you.
I said this.

Having a nature is indeed a natural desire. I don't know why you're denying that. By the way we don't know how old Rumia is, and she still does attack people.

>It's in the nature of Oni to be reckless and party all the time. Kasen doesn't do it anymore.
We don't know why this is, but if she's spent many, many years denying her nature as a hermit then that's... still denying compulsions. Hermits classically deny their nature anyway as humans, like buddhists for instance who try to remove all earthly desire and compulsion, not that compulsions do not exist.
>It's in the nature of Vampires to drink human blood. Remilia doesn't do it anymore.
She does. She has a contract with Gensokyo to provide her with humans. Her and Flan.
>It is the nature of Foxes to trick and deceive. Ran doesn't do it anymore.
Ran is a subjugated being, subjugated by Yukari. She has no free will.

And if you are inclined to do something I consider that a desire. For the record Koishi herself has been related to an ascetic in the sense that she has a nirvana-like quality to her for, ironically, closing her third eye. Byakuren is fascinated with her because of this, although she hasn't trained to achieve this state. She's closed her eye is all.

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>>18732141
Technically Remilia doesn't drink human blood so much as eats it in meals that contain it. It'd've been better if he had said it was in vampire's nature to drink the blood directly out of live humans.

>>18733375
Remilia does that, it's how she got the name of "The Scarlet Devil". She's a messy eater and gets blood all over herself when feeding.

Flandre, however, doesn't drink human blood directly and has it exclusively in tea and cake. This is because she's kept locked away, though. She gets what she needs (blood), but meets humans for the first time in EoSD. ZUN's explanation is that her destructive impulses would basically just make her explode humans into nothingness if she wanted to attack one and suck their blood.

>>18733562
>Remilia does that
*did that.

Both her and Flan eat stuff served by Sakuya.

>but meets humans for the first time in EoSD
Sakuya is a human. It's also said in her profile that she blows humasn up without leaving any blood behind so logically she has seen humans before.

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>>18735083
>*did that.
No, does. I don't know where your headcanon is coming in. Look up the vampire contract. Also, again, her title is her title for a reason. She doesn't kill humans but she does drink from them.

>said in her profile that she blows humasn up without leaving any blood behind so logically she has seen humans before.
pic related

>>18735797
Don't bully hecutia kudasai

>>18737846
HEN
NA
TEE
SHATSU
YARO

>>18737857
Hecatia might just be the most bullied touhou after Kyouko...

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>>18737897
Why every 2hu that a like gets bullied?;_; my shit taste is really that bad?

>>18737924
yes

>>18735083
>>18737832
in regards to Flandre's profile which I mentioned and you ignored my mentioning, the way it's written is still that she hasn't actually seen humans and if she were to encounter one WOULD blow them away (if not for the spell card rules, I guess). Maybe she's encountered humans before and just exploded them. As for Sakuya, it may not be the case that they interacted directly prior to EoSD. We don't know. There are other maids, and it's never explicitly stated that Sakuya served her food.

>>18737883
I wanna save Hecatia from internet bullies, how do I track down all the rude posters here?

>>18718460
Makes sense since the hotsprings at her shrine appeared because of them.