/jp/ - Otaku Culture

What do people think of Krashen's acquisition-learning hypothesis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shgRN32ubag

>>18415218
do I have to watch the whole video

>>18415225
>>18415218

The hypothesis is at 23:30. The rest of the video is his support for it

>have to read hardest vns and classical books so you can fill your daily quota og at least 30 words
Feels good.

How am I doing?

>>18415218
Seems correct to me.

I've watched 10+ of his presentations and they are all 95% the same.

>>18415225
>>18415218
He is adamant that comprehensible input is the sole way to acquire language. Not production, so not writing, speaking, and not getting your errors corrected.
Correct production, in his view, is the result of successful comprehensible input.
Personally, hes taking a fat dump on the teaching methods and drawing a giant target on his back from any form of faculty involved with selling language classes.

>>18415269
He says he's got research backing him up so he's got more weight than anyone here.
I think what he's saying makes sense. It doesn't contradict my experience learning Japanese or growing up learning English in any way.

Production is not useless though. You can learn to say words better and stumble less and type faster. (´・ω・｀)

>>18415344
In other words, production makes you better at production, assuming you already have good knowledge of the language in the first place.

>>18415269

I think the best way to verify that the input hypothesis is correct is to think about it in reverse.

If the input hypothesis were incorrect and you could learn a language by production that would be tantamount to reinventing an already existing language with a perfect match. This is obviously incorrect because we know languages are highly idiosyncratic, or in other words, there are an infinite number of syntactically correct Japanese sentences but only a subset of those are semantically meaningful and an even smaller subset sound natural. Without first knowing the language you cannot distinguish between the syntactically correct and the semantically correct.

Does anyone else hide the remaining cards number while reviewing? I feel like it's discouraging to see how much you have left.

>>18415391
>but only a subset of those are semantically meaningful and an even smaller subset sound natural
headstrong autists aren't going to want to hear that though - if its grammatically correct they'll consider every native to be wrong even if it sounds so 'unicycling on ice' awkward

>>18415436
>if its grammatically correct they'll consider every native to be wrong
hey man i read the rulebook for your language and it says i can do this so obviously you just don't know it as well as me

>>18415428
I often look away for a minute or refill my drink when the remaining cards hits another multiple of 100, unless I'm doing particularly well and getting into it. It can be discouraging when it seems like that's taking longer than it should, but for the most part I appreciate seeing that the number is going down and I have a finite number of reviews remaining.

>>18415484
Not him, but to be fair natives do make mistakes. Just because it’s your mother tongue doesn’t mean every single thing you say is grammatically correct.

>>18415502
When natives talk in a weird way or make mistakes they're still being understood by other natives. Like you know how african-americans basically have their own version of English?

>>18415511
Man, I don’t understand half of what kids are posting on instagram these days, so I’m not too sure about that.

>>18415514
kek me either
'finna gonna' finna?

>>18415502
some "mistakes" sound native, some don't, don't question natives. and by the way, the rules of language are determined by natives, not by a linguist who attempts to boil down a bunch of text or speech into a concrete set of rules when the language never had concrete rules, just a set of mutually understood subconsciously ingrained patterns with many exceptions.
that isn't to say that a linguist who does such is doing something wrong, but they are not an authority on what is right.

>>18415520
Obviously the rules of a language are determined by natives. That doesn’t mean you can ignore the spelling of words you don’t like on your English test, for example. The “don’t ever question natives” mentality is silly. You can and should question them just as long as you remember it’s likelier that you’re in the wrong. Which is fine.

こんなところにあったのか！（笑）
日本文化＝オタク文化は心外！

>>18415538
ここは海外のオタクが東方やアイドルについて話すための掲示板だよ
もっと一般的な日本に関するトピックは/int/のDJTで

>>18415525
i agree that natives can be just plain stupid, as is readily apparent in English. what i meant is that when that's not the issue, many "mistakes" are widespread and sound natural to (non-pedant) natives. i definitely agree you should ask questions and probably ask other natives what they think about it too.

>>18415551
/int/のDJT、消えたよ

Should i stop adding new words everyday to mining deck if i cant keep up with with the backlog? I feel like i learn words faster if i work with lower amount of reviews (20-30) than 100+ and less new cards. I keep forgetting simple words but when i started the deck and worked with like 6 new words a day i memorized everything easily, even harder words. I guess i should keep reading and just translate words on the fly and dont add anything until my deck becomes bareable again. The other thing is the previous manga was easy and i was mining like 20 words per whole vol. Now im mining 20words per chapter and it feels kind off slow to read. On the other hand im learning a lot of new words so i have dilema. Should i look for something easier for now or keep going at turtle pace.

おはようおにいちゃん

>>18415616
乙カラーズ

>>18415621
Don't mine if you come across so many new words

A mining deck is best left for when you're high intermediate level and need to actually remind yourself that certain rare words exist, not for beginners who will inevitably run into their mined words all the time in everyday reading anyway

>>18415777
You are wrong

stop posting this already

You have been told off a million times already

>>18415790
That is the first time I have ever posted that and have never had anyone else tell me

I know from personal experience

If anyone needs to be told off it's you

Scroll up and listen to mister krashen, he'll tell you all about how interesting and comprehensible flashcards are

>>18415800

Yeah, let me just stare at the page and try and guess what all this shit means. Ah, shucks, looks like I have to look this up in a dictionary. You know, next time I see this word I'm probably not going to remember the meaning or the reading... damn, I'm going to have to look it up again, huh. And then again, and then again, and then again, and then I'll get it.

If only there were some sort of learning system to automate this process once I've looked up a word. Some sort of system of learning that spaces out the word I'm trying to remember at set intervals so that I am statistically unlikely to forget it.

>>18415777
This is ridiculous. Just don't mine every word, mine what you've seen a few times but is harder for you than おはよう and お姉ちゃん and you've had to look up more than once. Don't mine rare words until you're excited to see rare words because they're finally something new.

Okay できないたち, I haven't done any of my studies in over two years and I want to get back into it. I'm still able to read most things (i.e., all posts written in Japanese in the thread thus far I can read just fine) but I want to get back into the rhythm of things. Now for those people who have stopped and resumed studying after a long period of time (I sure hope there are some here); should I start Anki again from scratch or continue on from where I left off? The way I see it, if I just continue the Anki algorithm will just correct itself eventually but I REALLY don't want to go through like 3k or 4k words at the start. Any comments?

>>18415621
Here's my 2 cents. I started my mining deck 1 month into learning. Seeing those words from Anki in my reading material helped reinforce my understanding of the word and thus helped me remember (stuff like "Oh, I remember 地球温暖化, it was from Yotsubato! really helped). With my mined deck, I added literally everything that I came across that I didn't understand (including stupid shit like 賢者タイム which made learning more enjoyable) and I do not regret it one bit. The one thing that I do suggest that you do is lower your new cards/day. The way I had it was Core 2k/6k with 20 and my mined deck with 10. In your case, maybe lower it 5 cards/day. Never stop adding things into your mined deck; Anki in combination with reading material (manga, LN, VN, etc.) is 100% the most effective way of remembering moonrunes. If you come across easy cards later on you can always just delete or quickly mature them.

Also
>Thread #1888
Jesus, the last time I was here DJT was back on /a/, the guide was on Google Docs and the CoR was just being created.

>>18415909
>Don't mine rare words until you're excited to see rare words because they're finally something new.
That's what I'm saying, it's just I'm also saying don't mine at all before then, time spent doing flashcards is time spent better doing something else.

>>18415908
I wonder if people who post these anecdotes actually read.
It's not a big deal to look something up.
Doing as many flashcards as this guy >>18415621 is a waste of time compared to just reading more.

>>18415910
See, I have all these same experiences and remember all these same words, except I never put them in Anki.
It's a placebo.

>>18415932
Does your personal experience involve trying both with and without using SRS in an early stage so you have any ability whatsoever to compare effectiveness?
It is also disingenuous to take your experience of not using anki to say "don't mine" and not clearly state that what you're advocating not using anki at all.

>me be
>be learning japanese on my own
>want to completely surround myself in Japanese like I did English to learn it
>Came here to complain about how NicoNicoVideo is absolute garbage
>find this thread

Will be adding your methods to my routine, see if they help, btw guidetojapanese.com is down, not sure if anybody has mentioned it yet.

>>18415965
Yes, I mined for a good period of time. I wouldn't be adamantly saying any of this if I didn't know what a mining deck had to offer.
Sorry, I'm under the impression that most people who use anki to mine use it only to mine and are done with/never started core. For me "don't mine" was equivalent to "don't use anki." So yes, I'm suggesting don't use anki, unless you really like doing flashcards(?).
I can see doing them for rare words that you're not likely to see again, but I just use the favorites function on a dictionary app to save those and look at the whole list when I feel like it.

At the end of the day this is personal advice. It's what I did, it's more fun than anki, I see no drawbacks to looking up words, nor did keeping a mining deck make me use the dictionary less.

>>18415932
>It's a placebo.
Perhaps; my own experience isn't representative for everyone after all (as is the same as yours). However, if you don't see those words after a while you'll forget it. In order to not forget, you use Anki. Your argument of just "reading more" doesn't work if you don't see the specific word often enough. Also I don't see the down side for throwing words into your mined deck. If you're committed to learning the extra work will benefit you.

At the end of the day it's about how much you value the Anki system. I personally swear by its effectiveness, which is why I want to get back into it.

>>18416002
>most people who use anki to mine use it only to mine and are done with/never started core
It was always suggested in the past to do the two decks simultaneously. Your mined deck supplements your reading while the Core enhances your "general knowledge".

>>18415269
>Not production, so not writing, speaking, and not getting your errors corrected.
This is a misrepresentation.

>>18416079
"The past" was just as much of a constant shitstorm of arguments about learning methods as it looks like we still have going on now, so there wasn't anything you could call a consensus.
Core really bothered me, I feel it doesn't do that much to help. Compare it to the RTK example from the last thread if you want. What you learn in Core isn't comprehensive, it's just hints and it doesn't stop you from having to use the dictionary. The work was way too hard to keep up for what I was seeing it reward me with so I stopped.

The "reading more" argument isn't really about remembering words, it's about replacing all your prospective anki review time with more reading and having more opportunities to see new words and possibly run across old ones. Whether or not you actually run across old ones or not doesn't matter, and whether or not you remember them you can always look them up and remind yourself again.

They stick eventually, some stick better than others, my personal experience is that mining doesn't really change that, so I don't bother with it anymore.

You have 10 seconds to translate this:
えぐえぐえぐえぐえぐえぐえぐ
You should be able to solve this.

>>18415910
>2 years since you did anki without even finishing Core
Honestly just restart and do a high number of new cards a day, with liberal use of "Easy".

entering ？痕 into jisho didn't find the word, anyone know what the first kanji is?

>>18416398
the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>18416406
疵痕
きずあと

>>18416406

>>18416415
>>18416416
thanks

>>18416406
よめない

あてじ？

>>18415777
If you can get to the level when you encounter less than 30 new words a day without mining cards than you probably don't need it at all because you have an exceptional memory.

How do I read information out of Anki charts?

>>18416431
Maybe that's true. Could also be a sign you've read a lot
But by connecting memory and new words, that sounds like you're saying old forgotten words fall into that category too?
If I come across a word I know I've seen before, but need to look it up again to clarify something, I don't consider that a new word or a failure

Sure it's a different story when you're listening to someone in real time but when you're reading or watching anime, the dictionary isn't exactly a major obstacle to you in any way

I don't think I've had it happen super often where I completely forgot I ever knew a word, but then again it's not easy to know if that happens.

Noob question:

what's the difference in pronunciation of 選択 and 洗濯? The pronunciations I could find on the internet have the accent on the first mora for both words.

[Final Examination]
Find the value of XXX, YYY, ZZZ, and WWW.

151 ：2018/02/15(木) 19:14:49
モニカは主人公も好きだけど、文芸部も好きだし部員も好き
基本的には誰にも人当たりがよくて親切な人物
152 ：2018/02/15(木) 19:19:40
公式サイトのグッズ通販、いつ頃日本というか米国以外にも対応してくれるようになるかなー
4人全員のキーチェーン欲しすぎる…
153 ：2018/02/15(木) 20:12:26
こういうグッズ系買わない方だけどこの作品のキーチェーンとかねんどろいどはめっちゃ欲しい
154 ：2018/02/15(木) 20:35:28
ユリのねんどろいどは狂気顔(Yes!の顔)と無駄に豊富なナイフパーツとリスカ腕が付属してそう
他の３人は死に顔、バグ顔、Just Monika顔
155 ：2018/02/15(木) 23:57:39
>>XXX
ありがとう
中盤以降のせいで黒いイメージがついて、序盤の出来事もその流れで再解釈してしまってた。
1周目途中までのほのぼのが続いてくれればなあ...まあ普通のギャルゲーやれよって話だが
156 ：2018/02/16(金) 00:21:59
Act3の放置台詞をいろいろ聞いてると、文芸部や主人公への想いは勿論、それとは関係ない部分まで含めた彼女の好みやポリシーなんかの他愛も無いことまで色々知ることができるよ！
Monikaについてもし興味と気力があれば是非に　なかなかに多いけど
157 ：2018/02/16(金) 01:30:29
>>YYY
ありがとう。イベントもまだ見てないのも多いし、SAN値が回復するのを待ってからゆっくり見てみます
158 ：2018/02/16(金) 19:08:22
とりあえず1ルート終わってそのまま二週目やって、疲れたから起動し直したら「monica.chrのバックアップを忘れずに」と出て、はぁ〜面白い仕掛けやなと思ってた
他のバージョンも見れないかとなんども起動し直してたら、画面真っ暗になって、不穏なBGMとともにキャラたちが白黒になって目がくりぬかれてる画像が表示されてすごく驚いた
これはもうすでに発見されてるのかゾ？
159 ：2018/02/16(金) 19:55:48
このゲーム、ＭＯＤとか創作とか作ってる人が結構いて、なんかUndertaleみたいに盛り上がるのかなって勝手に思ってる。
体ムキムキのコラがYoutubeのサムネに飛び込んで来て、おもわずお茶吹いたわwww
160 ：2018/02/16(金) 20:08:13
>>ZZZ
DDLC wikiに全部載ってるよ
その演出は起動時に1.56%の確率で出て来るらしいからかなりレアだね
161 ：2018/02/16(金) 20:16:56
>>WWW
そんな確率だったのか！ありがとう
昔の女神転生みたいだな...あれはガセだったけど、これは本当にビックリした
小ネタの数とバリエーションがすごいね

>>18416527
>>what's the difference in pronunciation of 選択 and 洗濯?
There isn't one.

>>18416309
It was always a shitstorm (although most of it was trolling) but the consensus for quickly learning Japanese in order to read was always Core 2k/6k + Tae Kim so that you can start reading as quickly as possible, then reading regularly with a dictionary for words and DoJG for grammar. This method was by far the most common.

Honestly, once you're a couple of months in, you should just experiment with whatever works for you. You'll get there eventually. However, if you're just beginning, Anki is just reassuring as you are working towards something with proven results based on psychology (SRS).

>>18416481
30 words that I forget and can only get their meaning from context per 2-3 hours of reading is basically what I have to deal with reading novels in my native language. So 30 new japanese words per the time is pretty close to how natives read because in japanese you can usually get the meaning out of kanjis and context pretty easily.

>>18416611
Anki in general was the fulcrum for most of the argument (and still is) so I think it's hard to call anything related to it a consensus. It's not like we have data on what everyone actually did to study the language, or how many of those people even got anywhere.
I haven't been around since we were kicked off /a/ but I browsed before then and "do core" was not unanimous. Tae kim and "read more" fared pretty well though.

>>18416618
That really depends on what you read
How do you know when you're reading at your highest effective level in Japanese?

>start and do core reps every day for 2 months now
>always have to do reps when I'm at peak performance; got coffee in me, not tired at all, focused/energetic
>always get somewhere between 65% and 85% according to true retention
>almost miss reps yesterday due to shit out of my control
>decide to do them before I sleep even though I'm tired af and can't focus for shit
>get 55%
I hate this shit. I hate how I have like a 2 hour window every day to realistically do reps and not feel like I get everything wrong. I hate that I've now set a new record for shitty performance in a rep session because the alternative was not doing reps at all that day

>>18416537
thanks

>>18416727
Neither 洗濯 nor 選択 has an accent on the first mora, by the way, they're both 平板型

>>18416721
reinforce with other auxiliary means so that you can do well even in low performance mode

>>18416721
flashcard dependence syndrome at its best folks

洗濯と 選択を 丁寧語にすると "お洗濯"と "ご選択"になる
"お洗濯"の方だけ "せ"に アクセントが のる
なんでだろうね

>>18416746
ah, thanks again. Now I can hear the pitch isn't actually higher

>>18416398
Deep sea squeeze trees

>>18416398
Irrumatio

Can someone tell me how hard this novel is?
Never read anything before:
https://vndb.org/v3144
Thanks a lot.

>>18417260
This is easy to read if you know Japanese, but I wouldn't recommend it if you haven't read anything before. You should read something like Aokana instead.

>>18417260
It's in Japanese. If you haven't read anything before it will be difficult, just like everything else in Japanese. Just read whatever you want and stop worrying forever.

>>18417280
He's asking how difficult it will be, not if it will be difficult. Something like Yotsuba will be a million times easier for a beginner than a complex novel.

>>18417268
Thank you. Aokana looks nice too actually.
I think I will start with Aokana and then move on to that VN.
By the way is there a place to reliably get VNs? There doesn't seem to be a section on the DJT website.

>>18417280
Well you're right, but if you have a choice it's probably smarter to start with something closer to your comprehension level (provided it's still interesting of course), thanks though.

>>18417312
Your best bets are nyaa (subeki) and rutracker.

>>18417260
It looks extremely easy as 97% of vns out there.

>>18417324
"Extremely easy" can still be pretty hard to someone who doesn't know Japanese.

>>18417329
Anything will be hard for someone who doesn't know japanese but it's probably a decent choice if someone want to read it.

>>18417351
Yeah I mean it won't kill them but I'd still recommend something a little simpler if the choice is otherwise a 50/50 split.

>>18417303
Children book tier and ancient Japanese aside, 99% of all modern Japanese media is pretty much on the same level. Therefore asking instead of trying out is pointless. Also reading childish things you don't want to read, like Yotsubato, is counterproductive (and will teach you a lot less, not really preparing you for the "complex" things either).

>>18417312
There is absolutely no difference between Aokana and Subahibi, at all. In fact the former might be slightly more long-windedly written, from what I remember. I also wouldn't recommend Subahibi as your first, not because of its difficulty, but simply because it will be one of the better things you will read in your life. So even as a second or third it would be somewhat of a pity. You do you though.

>>18417357
>There is absolutely no difference between Aokana and Subahibi, at all. In fact the former might be slightly more long-windedly written, from what I remember.
Aokana tends to have slightly longer sentences and uses slightly fewer kanji. Those are the only noticeable differences.

>I also wouldn't recommend Subahibi as your first, not because of its difficulty, but simply because it will be one of the better things you will read in your life.
Seconding this.

>>18417260
The Japanese itself is the easy part - you need to be extremely well-read to grasp the themes presented by authors like SCA-Ji and Romeo at anything more than a surface level. A philosophy degree is also advisable but not required.

>>18417372
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to learn Japanese.

>>18417372
You're shitposting but there's a grain of truth to this. Once you pass a certain basic level, comprehension is not about understanding the grammar or words, it's about being familiar with the ideas something is presenting to you. Someone who isn't normally into basic philosophy (that's what it is, nothing special and you don't need a degree or anything at all) will miss a lot of the things subahibi tries to express until a second read-through, especially if they still need to look up a lot of words, which acts as a second barrier to actual comprehension. Not trying to say subahibi is some magic grain of golden sand or anything, it's just thematically divorced from normal life to such an extent that it's slightly harder to comprehend, but that's true of most good fiction.

>>18417312
Also look up the name both in jpn or romaji on anime sharing if you don't mind painfully slow download links

>manga doesn't have furigana
>"I wish this manga had furigana to help me ou with words I struggle with or don't knowt"
>manga does have furigana
>"I wish this didn't have so much furigana so I don't end up 'cheating' on words I should know by instinct"
ahhhhh

>>18417494
If you still worry about 1 then you shouldn't worry about 2.

Hey. Is it important that i try to draw the hiraganas like demonstrated? I think it was a stupid design choice to do it with a brush or something. I practice them, but i feel like they are looking better if i write them like in the text instead.

>>18417563
You shouldn't handwrite like computer fonts.

>>18417566
God damn it. Alright anon, thanks.

jisho tells me おぎふさん but hentai artist says おとうさん
Which one should I believe?

>>18417621
In reality: ぎふ
What is said: おとうさん

>>18417644
makes sense

jisho tells me ちつないしゃせい but hentai artist says なかだし
Which one should I believe?

>>18417676
I enjoy this meme.

Damn! I'm actually rocking this. Am i ready to read my chinese porn games yet?

>>18417676
Holy shit, I actually understood that and had a mighty laugh.
Fuck man, deciding to learn Japanese was a great idea.

>>18417717
I hope you didn't pay for that.

>>18417746
Not yet anon.

why does 将 appear to have 夕 above 寸 when it is shown as ⺥ in stroker order drawings.
Is this common and something I should just get used to?

>>18417764
look up han unification
also it's because of etymology
Shinjitai
将
Kyūjitai
將

>>18417764
Aren't you using a wrong font or something?

>>18416813
Please don't call him that, he is but a failure.

>>18417717

>>18417764
Seems like nobody ever bothered to make sure Japanese glyphs display in Japanese way on a site revolving around Japanese media. No wonder "kanji" look so aliased here.

Does anyone have a download for the untranslated version of Hanahira?
Can't find it for the life of me. The one on sukebi isn't working.

>>18417717
>Eight dollars to learn only hiragana in a far less efficient (and far more stupid) way than you could for free

>>18417933
Skip it, it's not good. Read something else.

>>18417801
>>18416813
pls no bully.
I did much better today

>>18417937
I've read all of the other Sono Hanabira games, barr New Generation. I figured I should brush up on the series before reading the new novels.

>>18417918
Works on my machine.

How important is learning to write Kanji? specifically if i'm planning on moving to japan eventually? is it a very important thing, or with how everything is becoming digital, is it not worth it?

>>18418008
It's worth it, but it's easier not to learn it. Here listen to some loser:

>>18418008
Just learn it when you're getting ready to move there.

>>18418041
you got foiled dude

>>18418008
>specifically if i'm planning on moving to japan eventually?
Don't do it Anon.

Is damare just a fancy version of dame? And is it used the same way you use usai or yamete?

>>18418056
You retarded?

>>18418056
completely unrelated

>>18418062
No I just havent learned the language formally.

>>18418067
So then when do you use damare? I thought it was just another way to say shut up or quit it.

>>18418056
it's imperative 黙る

>>18418086
Nobody here learns the language formally, you are just not learning it at all. How do you even come up with this stuff? Are you learning in romaji?

>>18418103
I consider those programs you guys use to be pretty formal. It gives you structure and a good solid way to study

>>18418118
So use them then

Does anyone know of a text hookup program for VNs that isn't ITH? ITH doesn't work on Windows 10. Looking for a program that will let me copy unknown kanji so that I can easily look them up.

>>18418041
Obviously it's easier to not learn it, i'm asking if it's necessary to learn for living in that environment? Like in America, I write things down on paper maybe a few times a year

>>18418124
Works for me.
Otherwise try drawing the Kanji in google.

>>18418132
You can live in Japan without learning Japanese, just stay in your Gaijin bubble and you will be fine. Also go back to /int/.

>>18418132
I've never lived in Japan so I can't give you a guaranteed answer, but I think you will need it to fill out forms which you will definitely have to do, especially when you move.

>>18418008
Writing kanji isn't important even if you actually need to write something by hand. You can just write everything in kana and it will be understood. It's not chinese.

>>18418124
You're doing something wrong then.

>>18417933
https://pan.baidu.com/s/1o6wmpmy?fid=3478052970

Is there a good phone j>E dictionary with possibility of handwriting kanji?
Looking up kanji with mouse takes a lot of time ;_;

Is there some kind of rule of thumb to tell if a name is female or male?

>>18418139
it's less about not learning Japanese, i'm already a year into it, it's more about whether or not writing is necessary. It seems a bit of a scary subject to tackle this late into the game

>>18418176
Free
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.baka.aedict&hl=ja
Paid version
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.baka.aedict3&hl=ja
I find the paid version superior, after having used the free version for a while. The free version supports what you are after just fine, however. Try out the free version. It also hooks into other apps like Ankidroid and OCR Manga Reader.

>>18418200
>scary
Quite the opposite. Learning writing after you already know the language to a certain degree and actually understand what you're writing is much easier than learning it as "preparation" for learning Japanese.

>>18418176
I know this might come as a shock, but you can probably use the internet on your phone.

>>18418191
If it ends in 太郎 it's male
If it ends in 子 it's female.

>>18418191
If it ends in 子, it's female. Also, kana only names seem to usually be female. If it uses on'yomi, it seems to be male more often.

>>18418167
Getting "Failed to attach to process" every time I try to attach.

>>18418191
See if you notice any trends.
Male: https://mnamae.jp/ranking/kanji_b.html
Female: https://mnamae.jp/ranking/kanji_g.html

>>18415205
Is there a reason this isn't tetsukaze or is this a classic case of translators being garbage?

>inb4 bullying

>>18418261
I don't even have the same interface as you, but try to select a HANABIRA2.exe in the thread box before clicking attach (and then the other if the first one doesn't work) because it looks like you have nothing selected.

I just don't know what should I do anymore.
I got sick of Anki and stopped doing my decks over a year ago.
I have a vocab deck of 10.000 and my DOJG deck.
I've been reading sporadically ever since then, maybe one VN every 2 months or so. Mostly on my PSP and PS3, so I doing fairly well by now without having to rely on the good old text hooker crutch. I still need a dictionary every few sentences though, but lookups are fast since I recognize most kanji at least.
But I keep forgetting words. I replayed a game I last played 1.5 years ago, and those words that I didn't put into Anki and never practiced are definitely weaker in my memory and I didn't remember a good many of them.

Should I just read more? Should I start doing anki again? Should I just accept that I will never remember everything? I just don't see myself completely dropping the dictionary this way for several years.

>>18418309
Why do you think that should that be tetsukaze and not tetsufuu? Are you perhaps, retarded?

>>18418312
there aren't any options in the thread box, it's all blank

>>18418230
really? that's a relief. How much of a timesink is it? Also does the guide have a good way to go about doing it?

>>18418261
Are you sure you downloaded the most recent version?

>>18418342
Not that thread button. The other thread box that is visible in your screenshot.

>>18418332
>those words that I didn't put into Anki and never practiced are definitely weaker in my memory and I didn't remember a good many of them.
Seems like a complicated issue. I hope you find a solution soon.

>>18418332
this is why you do anki

>>18418332
you fucked up

>>18418338
>bullying

Because 鉄 is tetsu and 風 is kaze?

>>18418309
Tetsu-fū is probably how Google converts てっぷう into a Latin script.

>>18418377
That's what I'm talking about!

>>18418360
Downloaded https://code.google.com/archive/p/interactive-text-hooker/downloads Jul. 9th, 2011 version. Tried the others ones too, to no avail.

>>18418398
Yeah, it's definitely true that kanji only have one reading, am I right fellow students of Japanese? Fuu is actually the reading I would expect for 風 in that image.

>>18418416
???

>>18418430
Wow hahah, you got me. Good troll. Wew, haven't gotten trolled like that in a long time. Sorry I meant baited. Good job dude.

>>18418476
Don't worry, my retardation is not that elaborate.

>>18418430
Consider following the resource guide.

>>18418332
Give a mining deck a go. I was in a similar situation and ended up deleting my old vocab deck with thousands of cards overdue and no desire to sit through it all. Instead, I started a pure mining and after a few months feel it was a positive decision.
>Should I just accept that I will never remember everything?
Yes.
>I just don't see myself completely dropping the dictionary this way for several years.
Probably not, but that's just how it is.

>>18418438
(・_・)？

I know I'm going to get flamed for this question, but do we have an IRC or discord?
I'd like to talk with other anons about Mogra without using the shitty archive

Memes aside, is there ANYONE here who actually managed to learn Japanese with these guides, or is this like the Tulpa and Lucid Dreaming communities where everyone has a friend who has succeeded and he's also totally almost there, just not quite yet but still knows for sure that the technique works?

>>18418552
Go back to /r/japanese or whatever your subreddit is called.

>>18418556
From what I can gather, some anons deviate from the guide and do some slight alterations to do what best suits their needs.

>>18418522
ITH is not there.

>>18418552
https://discord.gg/neA547g

>>18418589
turn off full word search

>>18418591
its expired/invalid

>>18418606
Fuck off already you autist.

>>18418552
UABYbJ

>>18418649
thank you very much anon

>>18418649
haHAA that one's expired as well. ebin trole anonymouse.

>tfw for some reason recently when I play video games I feel guilty because I could be spending that time reading or studying grammar
how do I shake this feeling off? I already dedicate about 2 hours a day to studying but I still feel guilty when I do basically anything for pleasure now

>>18418711
Get a job

>>18418733
I don't need one

>>18418741
Do you leech off your parents?

>>18418711
play video games in japanese

>>18418711
合体

>>18418711
>how do I shake this feeling off?
Easily. I just cut off everything that might distract me and do what I have to do. Most of the things in life are done this way by the way.

>>18418759
this

>>18418711
I fell like I've seen this exact post before, complete with the same image.

>>18418791
合体だ！！！

>>18417621
The furigana is always right even when it's wrong.

Not sure if I understand that sentence right.

可愛い子をじっと見つめちゃいけないなんて、どう考えたっておかしい。

Does that mean something like "It's funny how I thought doing something like staring at your cute child is something bad."
The どう考えたっておかしい。 part confuses me a little.

>>18418124
I personally use Chiitrans Lite.

>>18418711
Play some of your favorites games in the original Japanese.

>>18418711
Just stop playing games, period. I quit playing an MMORPG this year just so that I could read more. If you must satiate your gaming urges, then pick up a visual novel with gameplay in Japanese like Baldr Sky, Amayui Castle Meister, etc.

>>18418927
No matter how much I think about it, there's something off about being told not to stare at cute girls.

Is 簡易 pronounced differently than 蟹?

>>18419209
Yes.

>>18419025
Where do you get the "no matter how much" part from?

>>18419342
どう考えたって

>>18419342
ur moms ass

Yomichan fucking sucks. Is there like an auto-lookup function whenever you hover over words much like rikaisama?

>>18419405
rikaichamp

>>18419405
You can disable the key in the settings or use rikaichamp.

>>18419419
I am fucking stupid. ごめん

If I ever seen any of you motherfuckers using Japan as a fashion accessory you're getting stabbed

>>18419434
What does that even mean?

>>18419434
こわい～お巡りさん呼ぼうか？

>>18419342
たって and ても mean the same stuff. Look it up
どう考えても、どう考えたって

>>18419561
and neither of those mean "how much"

>>18419570
>どう

>>18418927
>>18419570
>可愛い子をじっと見つめちゃいけないなんて、どう考えたっておかしい
cute girl staring not good such thing however think weird

Happy now?

>>18419605
I can use google translate myself.

>>18419651
No need to lie. You were having trouble doing that for 20 minutes.

>>18419561
I see thank you anon.

>>18415261
careful anon, skip another day and i'll pass you up

>>18419815
Nice.
Are you doing any reading?
Do you have any decks besides core?

>>18419876
im aggressively mining yotsuba which adds another 20 cards a day. started doing that last week. might have to reduce that since I have to deal with job shit

～ケモミミ魔王さま、迷子になる～

What does the katakana mean here?

>>18419917
kemomimi

>>18419891
could you share your yotsuba deck, anon-san? I don't have the time to be mining but there are some things like expressions mostly those with hiragana that I don't understand.

>>18419917
Either his name, or kemono mimi?

>>18419927
Yes, but what does it mean?

>>18419951
the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>18419932
im only 4 chapters in so it wont last you long

ive been preaching using bilingualmanga with yomi the past couple days here

>>18418556
I started following the advice in the guide two and a half years ago and can now read normal things without a dictionary. My listening is not very good and I have never even attempted production. Reading (for hours every day) + mining will definitely make you good at reading.

>>18419973
and what do I do to get good at writing

>>18419950
i think that´s it, thanks

>>18419983
I mean, not necessarily writing but producing.

>>18419988
Read more.
It sounds like a meme but it's true.

Is there anything you can't improve by reading more?

>>18420001
The size of your dick

おはようおにいちゃん

かふんが

ふっとんだ

>>18419993
what happens if I get good at reading but still can't produce? do you guys practice your listening or is watching anime enough even if you don't understand much because you're a beginner?

>>18420001
Ability to write, speak, and listen

>>18420032
おはよう
いいところにきた
ただいま
しゃせいすることをおわった

>>18420058
Source?

>>18420072
If you want to be good at X, you have to practice X. No way around it.

>>18420084
That's nothing more than a rule of thumb. It's not a general principle that applies to everything in life. There are many situations where you practice X and get better at both X and Y without realizing it.
I can't prove that reading also trains production, but I think I've read that there's a correlation before and it's worked for me personally. I did very little explicit production practice and yet I got pretty good at it.

>>18420115
Reading helps but you will never reach fluent levels of production without practice

>>18420115
Sure I agree. Example, an Olympic runner will be better at football than a normie like you. So it seems practicing Y made them better at X because there are common elements between the two.

But you know who is better than both? An NFL player

>>18420136
>>18420154
I agree with both of you, I think we're just looking for different quantitative levels.
Imo reading can help you get "good" at production which is what he asked for. Sure, if you want to get very good at it you'll need to practice it in isolation, but if you're a beginner you'll draw the most benefit from just reading.

>>18420181
You don't really get good at producing, you get good at knowing when you produce something that isn't correct so you can try to figure out why it's wrong

>>18420238
how does that not make you better at producing? trial and error is how you get good at stuff

>>18420261
Because it's not producing, it's knowing you produced something wrong. I'm not saying it won't help when you are learning to produce

I downloaded the KanjiTomo script from the resources and whenever i try to use the Window key + c shortcut it keeps opening the text file everytime. Is it supposed to work htis way?

So I posted a few days ago about how I was taking a japanese equivalent exam to be allowed to study abroad in Japan.
I unfortunately failed it. I didnt know what to expect, so it was a surprise for me that the material was harder than I thought it would be. I also think the teacher made it more difficult since I had to ask personally for the test.
I'm feeling really shitty right now, /djt/.

なにもできませんが

あなたについてゆきます

>>18417801
This was yesterday actually. This is today's struggle.

What does DJT think of my progress? I am feeling pretty good right now.

>>18420318
Studying abroad is a meme. There is nothing that you cannot learn in your own country.

>>18420318
Another soul reaped

>>18420344
Why even breathe if we're all going to die at some point?
People usually don't study abroad for a semester just because they think they'll learn more in the other country.

>>18420344
I live in a city where the Chinese outnumber the Japanese 1000 to 1. I've spoken the language maybe twice to a Japanese person, and it was only a conversation once. I wanted to go to immerse myself in the language because I was a bit annoyed I couldn't use it at all.
>>18420354
This is honestly the first time I ever felt legitimate dekinai. I joked about it before when a word was hard or something, but now I cant even describe the amount of motivation I lost today.

>>18420336
I seriously can't tell if this is a shitpost or if you're being serious.

>>18420381
I'm pretty serious.

>>18420318
3 people told you to ask for a syllabus

>>18420391
For what purpose?

>>18420381
You're laughing now, but in a year he'll have learned 182,500 words and you'll have learned, what, 10k?

>>18420406
Well I still had 1700 cards left in core and I wanted to start reading. So I thought I'd hurry up and finish the deck. Anything wrong with that?

あめりかって

銃乱射ばっかりしてる

きがする

>>18420414
It's not "wrong", but there's no way you can remember this much shit in such a short time frame. Plus you can always start reading without having finished core.

>>18420411
>182,500 words
There aren't even that many words to learn.

>>18420424
But I did 1000 cards yesterday and had a 90% retention today? Where is it written that I can't remember this stuff exactly?

>>18420430
He's a real dekiru.

>>18420430

>>18420432
Come back in a week and tell me what your retention rate is. You cannot possibly learn this much new information in such a short time frame unless you're literally a savant.

>>18420432
keep up the great work anon in 2 weeks you hsould have the whole language down

>>18420430
>tfw japs will have to invent new words so this anon can keep his autism satisfied

>>18420391
Good. Now try doing that every day for 3 months and see if you can last.

>>18420432
I generally hear 3-4 weeks thrown around as the time it takes for a change to your study method to stabilize. Keep us posted. You'll be fine as long as your review time doesn't hit 18 hours.

>>18420451
I finished KKLC (production cards) so I already knew all the Kanji. Pretty easy to learn words from there.

>>18420452
Thanks! But I will finish Core6k tomorrow, after that I will go at a casual pace.

>>18420461
I thought about this and I really wouldn't be able to sustain it. I think my limit would probably be around 300 new cards a day.

>>18420481
So... This is the power of learning your Kanji first.

Heh, not bad

>>18420481
Keep up the good work, anon. Use that NEET power to its fullest.

>>18420479
Eh, I will finish my deck tomorrow! Sorry anon, it would have been fun to try doing this for longer.

>>18420480
How do we know people with eidetic memory even exist?

>>18420430
おおくない？

そんなににほんごなくなくない？

>>18420372
>I wanted to go to immerse myself in the language
This is exactly what people fall for that is wrong. The immersion you'll get walking around Japan and having street conversations with natives is not terribly challenging or valuable. If you actually make some close friends that would help, but you could do that over the internet as is if you are social enough in the first place. Immersion that is actually valuable can be done from anywhere in the world. You're just eating up the "if I move there, I'll pick it up naturally" meme, which is disproven easily by anyone in your own city who is shit at English.

>>18420481
Did you do the KKLC deck on the guide?
What did you study? Only the keywords?

>>18420496
The same way we know people with less than 100 IQ exist, by testing them (you)

>>18420519
Started with keywords one the front, Kanji on the back. Wrote the Kanji with the keywords as a prompt. Over time I replaced all the keywords with my vocabulary (in Kana) to replace the keyword prompt because keyword review is not sustainable. As such I am still doing Kanji reviews today but all prompts are vocabulary, I'd say it works very well but the transition takes time as you have to manually edit all cards.

>>18420530
How do you know our tests are accurate, retard?
I could define a test for retardation like this:
>if a person makes a post on djt that starts with the letter 'T', they are retarded
and apply it to your post to conclude that you are retarded. In this case it actually works, but we all know it's not generally applicable.

>>18420540
Haha, it's interesting to see people this stupid even exist. Did you even finish high school?

>>18420540
This is the stupidest post I read today.

>>18420569
>>18420572
(You)

>>18420572
Congrats! You passed.

Can Hiiragi be a first name as well as a last name?

>>18420496
http://www.open.edu/openlearn/body-mind/psychology/take-the-photographic-memory-test

>>18420595
jisho.org/search/hiiragi%20%23names
Yes, use your resources next time.

>>18420595
ひいらぎ

そんなみょうじのひとまだあったことないよ

What's the め supposed to mean here?

>>18420647
the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>18420647
It's a derogatory vocative (like よ) particle.

>>18420634
らきすたの姉妹にあえればいいな

>>18420647
Something like damned monster instead of just monster.

Can you keep a kanji as a pet?

>>18420700
Don't mind me just taking my 竜 for a walk

>>18420663
それふるくてみたことないけど

おもしろいの？

>>18420707
Sir, your kanji has too many strokes, you're breaking the law.

>>18420709
うん、おすすめだよ
２００７そんなに古くないしそもそも古くて何が悪いかわかんないけど

>>18420489
Not being able to read yet? pretty lame power fyi

>>18420742
>Getting salty someone is learning faster than you

Too cute

I need help on the third panel. I think it's suposed to mean that she has to get used to playing the role of an extra, so why the ねえ? Thats ない, right? Wouldn't that mean the opposite?

>>18420742
Harnessing the power of the kanji, he will master his vocabulary within two weeks after which reading will be a breeze. Then, he will read for 10 hours a day and become fluent within a month.
Sorry brainlet, he's discovered the holy grail of japanese learning, no need to get mad.

>>18420727
ふるいわ

>>18420761
More likely: he'll start reading the easiest manga he can find, then realize he doesn't know any Japanese at all.

>>18420753
What do you not get?
"Unless you can become 町人A, you're not an actor" ("you're just a rookie")

>>18420481
>4311 reviews
Oh god, that's hilarious. Quality stuff anon.

>>18420779
だからそれの何が悪いって聞いてんの

じしんです

メシキコのあのん

ゆれがおさまったら

たかだいへはしりなさい

>>18420802
I couldn't undestand what なれねえ限り meant but it makes sense now, thank you, anon

>>18420572
It's I've/I have read, not I read.

>>18420815
わるくないよ

でもふるいよね

>>18420979
それはもう分かった
でもどういう理屈で観ない理由になるの

>>18420998
ふるいからでしょ

>>18420752
>>18420761
But i can actually read...

>>18421034
ともかくおすすめ

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/158611/meaning/m0u/%E3%81%A8%E3%81%93%E3%82%8D/
Why is one word allowed to do so much?

>>18421186

>>18421129
でもどういう理屈でおすすめの理由になるの

>>18421214
古いからおすすめってわけじゃない
ただ面白かったら観ておくべきだと俺は想う

I find it encouraging that the Japanese find English fucking hard while it's also vice versa for English people. It makes whole learning process more bearable because English is also pretty retarded with its grammar rules and shit.

tfw counting in japanese is easier than counting in english

>>18421286
>tfw counting in japanese is easier than counting in english
Do you know something I don't?

>>18421300
in english you have to learn how to say 31 as thirty one, in japanese you can just say 二十一 (two-ten) which is 21 in japanese.

>>18421300
>>18421330

Fuck I meant 二十一(two-eleven) but you get the idea

>>18421286
>>18421330
I wish I could say the same. I can read and watch most raw stuff just fine, but I'm still not used to Japanese numbers. Whenever someone goes into 万s and 億s I need to do calculations in my head to "convert" them to Western numbers.

>>18421349
It's easier for me because words like "eighty" or "Twenty" don't exist in japanese and just say them together so it cuts the work down for me.

>>18421363
That's pretty much the only disadvantage to English counting though. Once you've learned "twenty", "thirty", ..., "ninety" it's easy as fuck.
Meanwhile in Japanese there's dozens of counter words and the numbers have different readings if you're counting objects or days.

>>18421363
>"Twenty" don't exist in japanese
"Twenty" definitely does depending on what you're counting.

>>18421413
I guess it's easier for me because I focused on kanji pretty fucking early once I got the hiragana, katakana and grammar down.

I left vocabulary last because thanks to the autistic amount of kanji I learned, I was able to remember the words in a record amount of time since I only focused on the readings that are common and aren't ancient which made counting piss easy for me.

>>18421437
I mean it in a sense like you don't have to learn how to say 21 and twenty one and just use a compound of 2+1 together but I understand what you're getting at though. I just find that it's easier to count and do other shit in japanese since it's pretty streamlined once you get the kanji down as it's a contextual language.

Now will you excuse me I got some LN's to read

連れション

What is your favorite op image?

Is it bad that there is a lot of kanji I can't write but can read. Like I can recognize the kanji for post office but couldn't reproduce it for the life of me... ここに初学者をです。。。

あのんにしつもんがあります

くく

あんきしていますか？

８１語なんだけど

>>18421456
>I guess it's easier for me because I focused on kanji pretty fucking early once I got the hiragana, katakana and grammar down.
This statement has nothing to do with how easy it would be to learn numbers and counters. Learning kanji for counters takes as much time as learning the actual counters. Stop being a smug asshole who can't even communicate in Japanese, we have enough of those around here anyway.

>>18421474
don't worry, even native can't write a lot of kanji and look some of them up.

it's the same for any language. For example you know practically what the word "regurgitate" means and how to read it but when it comes to spelling it, people will fuck it up.

>>18421487
sorry if I sounded smug anon, it's just that I find it easier to count in japanese than in english because I don't have to worry about the fuck ton of pronunciations each vowel sound has.

Again sorry if I sounded that way.

what program can I use to read manga?

>>18421474

Reproduction and recognition are two different skills. It is unclear exactly how they are related, but suffice it to say the former is not necessary for the latter. I wouldn't worry about it unless you want to be able to write it for the sake of writing it.

>>18421493
>For example you know practically what the word "regurgitate" means and how to read it but when it comes to spelling it, people will fuck it up.
Are you an ESL? I doubt many literate English speakers would fuck up regurgitate.

>>18421504
MangaMeeya7

>>18421474
It only matters if you ever want to handwrite (you don't)

>>18421474
If you want to be able to write kanji it's bad.

>>18421508
oh trust me anon you'll be surprised by the amount of retards that fuck up that word or fuck up knowing how to spell "rhythm" because of the silent letter meme.

Can anyone recommend some light novels similiar to NHKにようこそ? Doesn't have to cover the same subject matter. I liked the comfy characters, simple language, and everyday situations.

>>18421456
All of the exceptions for specific days of the month and the rendaku and sokuonka rules that vary depending on the counter seem much worse to me than the different words for two and twenty.

>>18420753
なれねぇ限り
＝なれない限り
as long as you can become ~

>>18420753
>>18421830
* as long as you cannot become ~

やばい

あったかくなってきた

かふんやばいかもしれない

あなたは先生です、私も。あの人は先生ではありません、は学生。

Is this a sentence that a Japanese person would not deem retarded? I write with a lot of periods and dots in english too.

>>18421902
Nope.

>>18421902
>は学生
You don't use は like that. Write 学生です instead.

>>18421930
Oh, I figured that since I've heard Japanese always shorting things, the shorter way would be the more "realistic" one.

>>18421951
It has nothing to do about being shorter, you're using は as a verb which is simply wrong.

>>18421965
The reasoning was that "は" (instead of writing あのひとは
again) implies the third person, and that said third person would be understood by context, which is sort of how I've heard a lot of Japanese is shortened in day-to-day speech.

But now that I read it again, your way works exactly the same. Blame Google translate for not telling me it was wrong.

>>18421982
The problem is that you omitted the verb, not the あのひとは part.
What you wrote sounds like "he's not a teacher, he student".
So, writing this would be the correct way:
あの人は先生ではありません、学生です。
But
あの人は先生ではありません、あのひとは学生です。
would also be correct, although a bit unnaturally verbose just like you said. The important part is the verb, です.

>Google translate
黒人お願い

>>18421982
>instead of writing あのひとは again
It's been a couple of words, the topic has not been forgotten.
>Blame Google translate for not telling me it was wrong.
Google translate's job is to spit out something as if whatever you gave it is meaningful to someone, not follow grammar rules. It's a neural net, type ががががが and keep adding on and watch the result change. Now don't use google translate anymore.

>>18421982
>>18422006
Also particles like は attach to the word that comes before, not after. So は学生 is always incorrect on its own. あのひとは forms a semantic unit, so you cannot use the は particle without putting a noun before that.

>>18422006
>>18422013
I'll keep the advise in mind, grammar in any foreign language is the hardest part to get used to. Thanks!

>>18422012
>Google translate

It's the only tool I know to try and explore the sentence structure better if i'm reading something outside of my computer. Tho I guess I should be wary of it because what you say is def true.

why the fuck every single time a song's lyrics say ～ていく they pronounce it as ゆく? why don't they just write it as actually ゆく instead?

leaner of language: why x, rable, rable rable
native of said language: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

めえかゆい

いたがゆい

>>18422133
Sometimes they do write it like that.

>>18422133
いくっていうときと

ゆくっていうときがあるよ

どちらでもつうじるから

だいじょうぶだよ

>>18422215
通じてもちゃんと書いた方がいいんじゃない？

>>18422233
ちゃんとって何だよ偉そうなことほざきおって
日本人が猫って書いて犬って言ったらてめえに文句をぬかす筋合いねえ

>>18422133
because it's easier to sing that and sounds better
they also pronounce を like "wo" in songs

>>18422356
いわれてみると

けっこうあるね

>>18422133
Its called flowery language.

>>18421493
Regurgitate is a pretty easy word to spell if you've grown up with English because it follows the "rules" of English spelling pretty well.

>>18422432
ほんとぉ？

>>18422535
I don't know why, but I can't spell anything with a pen, but am fine on keyboard
I've always wondered if there is a kanji spellchecker, but that would have to make sense of the sentence in a natural way, or at least pick out something very wrong
that would happen so rarely it wouldn't even be worth developing right

>>18422274
日本人？に侮辱されるのは初めてです！
新しい経験をくれてありがとう！

>>18422564
Every IME I've used gives a definition between the really common kanji so you can check manually if it's the right one. I think beyond that, it would be hard because especially if it's only different by nuance, like 聞く and 聴く, the IME can't read our mind.

>>18422564
I think you're mixing spellcheck and grammar check. It shouldn't need to analyze what the sentence means or even if it is semantically valid to tell you if you used a word or conjugation that it isn't aware of. I imagine you could use whatever methods people use to break sentences into lexemes for counting word frequency, and highlight any lexeme is unrecognized. However, my understanding is that these methods are pretty rough around the edges and can't handle a lot of valid or at least colloquial language. I haven't personally looked into how any of them actually work.

Why do japanese people use so many line breaks when writing

>>18422637
They're bad at any kind of morphological slang. Every single possible spelling variation of every single possible lexeme needs to be in the dictionary or it'll just break it up into smaller meaningless chunks and use those.

>>18422638
英文のこと？日本文のこと？

創作物での改行の頻度についてなら、英語でも日本語でも事情はあまり変わらないと思うけど（著者の趣味や、文章にどのくらい緩急をつけたいかに依る）。
On the frequency of line breaks in creative things, I don't think the circumstances differ so much from language to language (depending on author's preference and how much tempo the author wants to give to the story).

Today I passed 1k mature in my mining deck. To celebrate, I'm going to jack off twice.

What would a Japanese person do if they encounter a Kanji they've never seen before in the street where they can't look it up?

>>18422638
Let them, it's the only relatively obvious sign of where a sentence ends and another begins. And honestly even then I have issues figuring it out.

>>18422763
>What would a Japanese person do if they encounter a Kanji they've never seen before in the street where they can't look it up?
What would an English person do if they encounter a word they've never seen before in the street where they can't look it up?

>>18422779
in english someone can use context and the principles of an alphabet to learn both the reading and the meaning of a word

this isn't possible with kanji

>>18422779
Now to be fair, English is incredibly retarded, but I think it's safe to say that most West European words give away their meaning based on what words have been agglutinated together to make it. There are few words that are so fundamental that you couldn't figure them out.

>>18422789
>and the principles of an alphabet to learn both the reading
sure
>and the meaning of a word
lol no
t. english native

>>18422802
>>18422789
>pronunciation
It doesn't work that well in English, but it does work in every other roman and German language.

>meaning

This you can definitely pick up even if you are a retard.

>>18422763
probably use their phone, or assume the meaning of the word from context like everyone does in their own language

The real question is: How do you look up a Kanji if you don't know how to pronounce it?

>>18422789
> the reading
Plenty of words, particularly rare ones (ie. the ones a literate adult would be unfamiliar with), have completely counter-intuitive pronunciations based on how they are written. Depending on the kanji you might be able to make at least guess at the pronunciation even if it's unfamiliar to you, though I'm obviously willing to concede that you're far less likely to guess correctly in Japanese than English.

>and the meaning of a word
Context can be used the same way in Japanese.

Additionally, if you're just reading something, not out loud, it doesn't really matter if you can pronounce it as long as you can get the meaning.

>>18422792
I'd argue context is far more important to figuring out an unfamiliar word unless it's exceedingly obvious, which as I said is equally as useful in Japanese. This goes doubly for native English speakers who don't know any other European languages. Depending on the unfamiliar word it's fairly likely in Japanese that you're getting, multiple kanji where only one is unfamiliar which might give you basically the same benefit as understanding "part" of an English word based on its components.

>>18422826
i think this is bait but you draw it or search by radicals (japs probably just draw them)

１７ねん

はけんあにめ

あのんどれおし？

>>18422826
Using a kanji dictionary or drawing it on a computer with an application that lets you draw kanji. Are you retarded or something?

>>18422763
>What would a Japanese person do if they encounter a Kanji they've never seen before in the street where they can't look it up?

無視する（←緊急性が高くない場合は、普通こうする）
or
部首などから意味を推測する
or
誰かに聞く

>>18422826
素直に人（親、先生、友人、ネットの人 etc.）に聞いたりするよ。例えば↓
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q13148759018

>>18422854
>ignore it, unless it's an emergency
>something something try to guess at least the basic meaning
>ignore it

Did I got that right?

>>18422875
not really no

>>18422872
えてして

ぐーぐる先生だったり

ＩＭＥ先生だったりするけどね

>>18422875
You don't even know english

>>18422880
What did you said then?

>>18422826
Main radical plus number of additional strokes. So if I don't know the pronunciation for 碗, I go to the 4 stroke radical section, find 石, count the number of additional strokes in the kanji (8), and find 碗 from the list.

Or I just draw it in my phone but sometimes that takes too long and is too error prone.

>>18422875
I can understand having trouble with those first two if you're a beginner, but unless this is literally your first day here I don't know how you could possibly fuck up the last one.

>>18422894
>unless this is literally your first day here

Second day, sorry.

>>18422889
not me

>>18422875
>ignore it, unless it's an emergency (most commonly)
otherwise,
>guess the meaning with the radical as a clue
>ask someone

>>18422909
Thank you, I still have a bit of trouble figuring out where a word ends and another begins.

彼の助けは本当に有り難いな

i dont understand how this adjective is a proper sentence when its at the end instead of a verb, whats going on?

>>18422958
Verb being the only required part of a sentence is a lie. Verbs can be implied, and this is particularly common with です.

>>18422958
>anglo's small brain gets confused by superior japanese grammar

>>18422939
I see.
In Japanese spaces are not usually used, so it is natural that beginners feel difficulty to find breaks between words.

>>18422958
>>18422969
That is something that stroke me as odd from the guide on the OP, surely there are tons of possible sentences with no verbs.

>>18422978
The verbs are implied if it's obvious from the context. Like how English requires subjects to be grammatical but a person can respond "haven't done it" or "can't say that I have" to "Have you done it?" Or how commands in English don't state the implied "you".

>>18422977
いいはなしだわ

>>18417621
The furigana is what the character is actually saying. The kanji is just there to add additional context. It's a pretty common thing for authors to do.

>>18417764
Because you're using a Chinese font.

>>18420647
Have you tried looking it up in a dictionary?

アリス）　これ　は　何？
ボブ）　それ　は　鉛筆。

I tough you used "が" when you didn't knew what something was?

>>18423463
You only think that because Tae Kim has one of the worst は/が explanations I've ever seen in my life.

>>18423463
Yeah. Tae Kim just wrote it wrong there. He does it pretty often.

>>18423483
>>18423484
Now who do I trust?

I've seen in other site "が" referred to as focus marker, but I forgot what he meant by that.

>>18423463
https://8020japanese.com/wa-vs-ga/

>>18423484
>Tae Kim just wrote it wrong there.
Both of those sentences are completely fine.

>>18423491
Nope it's wrong. I've been learning japanese for over 4 years, trust me. You're supposed to put が there, not は. I see this mistake made by japanese learners all the time. I know the difference between those two is very difficult to grasp for foreigners but just keep studying and you'll understand them eventually.