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Fucking Kobold.

>>18394747
Start lifting to get your revenge

guys whats the best way to gain levels? I'm about lv 50 and I gain about 3 levels per lv80 dungeon, is there an even faster way?

>>18395123
Void, meteor spam, eventually become able to cast wish on demand, wish for and drink blessed potions of descent

>Get to final boss of act 1
>spam throwing panties while quickling pet with lulwy bow pelts him
>he never casts spells regardless if i am far or right in his face,only saw self heal before he died (lv30 character)

is this a bug?

>>18395413
His AI makes him kind of dumb. Always tries to move into melee range before casting and gets stuck on self healing once low.

>>18395413
You caught him on an off day or he was too consumed with trying to figure out his cool evil guy speech that he didn't anticipate that you'd just start throwing panties at him. Couldn't get his act together and started panicking and spamming heal. Think there is a Custom tweak to make him harder but seeing as how you already killed him so much for that idea.

Do I need to use monster balls/dominate to recruit monsters from my ranch or change the breeder?

>>18395562
No, you interact with them using (i) and it let's you just recruit them.

>step 1:get a small castle
>step 2:get rank 1 home
>step 3:summon lulwy
>step 4:invite her to my home
>step 5:make her drunk and give gifts
>step 6:get astral light pen & magic ink
>step 7:reach level 175
>step 8:make her my bitch
>step 9:have adventures together

how many hours should that take to achieve?

>>18395673
1-6 20-50 hours.
7 100-500 hours.
8 1 hours.
9 forever?

>>18395778
Does leveling get THAT slow?

retard question,can you recruit the hostile inner gods? (assuming you meet all the requeriments and can tank their attacks and fire pillars)

>>18394481

its not bad selling putitoros; you can also sell cheese and those craftable snaks, you get a bunch and price is not bat

my suggestion about the diamonds is that it increase your house rank better than some forniture

>>18395673
That's retarded, just get the gifts, pen, ink and level before summoning her, and copy her on the spot.
No need for a rank 1 house.

Also, the fastest way to gain level is killing things that are higher level than you, so either get into the void or awaken dungeon that are at least your level ( you get the bonus exp even if the monsters are your level )


Anyway,
Gifts : just need to refresh the embassy vendors, so just ride a snail and get 50 or so gifts in an hour of real-time play.
Astral light pen : the undead witch give you two for showing her your cards, you should have that much cards during your levelling up.
Summon : make a throwaway pet drink from wells, destroy them with fire before leaving.
Levels : awakened dungeons are the most convenient, but void if not in act 3, make sure to buy the licence before anything else. If you can cast meteor, do that, and shorten the time needed for that step by like ten.

I'd say under ten hours if you're focused on your goal.

>>18395673

Who are you quoting?

>>18395888
where i can reliably find a deck?

>>18395956
Embassy, same as the gifts.

>>18395673
You forgot the secret 10th step getting better taste in goddesses. I fear it might take forever

What is a cute sprite pack that I can use to make my game as adorable as possible

>>18396398

>>18396429
How terrifying, thank you.

>Find Godly/Miracle level ammo
>It's FUCKING NOTHING
Is there any point to these things or should I just chuck them, I've gotten so many like this.

>>18396481
Occasionaly these will have one or several "special charges" (piercing, time-stop, explosive, rapid and such)
Ammo with quality lower than "Great" will never have those.
So it all comes to whether you use special shots or not.
If not - you can freely toss them away.

>>18396621
Amusingly, "Great" ammo is probably the best, since you can use Garok's hammer for extra crits. At least until you've capped eye of mind.

>>18396316
Other options arent so appealing,a crazy cat woman,tsundere healer,big sister capitalism

Now that i got a small castle,i got some questions

what happens if i dont got enough gold to pay the servants by the end of the month?

it is worth investing shop levels on them?

>>18397592
You want to get a multiple magic vendors, a black market vendor, and possibly a goods vendor. Investing is always worth it, save money by doing 50 ranks at a time.

You'll teleport back home with return and drop by the shops for potential pots, flying scrolls, change/gain material scrolls, jure potions, look in the black market for living/resist gear, see if the goods vendor sells a couple herbs, scrolls or some nice furniture, and get back to adventuring. When possible you add kumiromi statues, harvest from the farms+cooking and herbing food to the routine, and filling your shop.

>>18397592
To answer your first question, their salary is added onto your bill, not automatically subtracted. Not having enough for the bill and not paying it carries the karma penalty.

I love lulwy

In the options under game setting, you can change the ''record'' setting to ''show max'' to see more miscellaneous info in your journal, such as how many panties you have eaten. Also apparently when Gwen is your pet and dies during combat, it increments the ''Gwen killed'' counter.

Started to play recently and I'm curious about how other player character look like so post them.
Also aside from blood sucking skill is there anything else I should be doing since I'm playing a vampire?

>>18399059
You got hypnotic eyes too right?

>>18399194
Do you mean the feat or is it some sort of spell?

>>18399263
The feat of course.
On retrospect though I can see if you only intend to get it later.

Should i eat the corpse of every elemental thing and boss i come across?

Can someone please check if bookshelves and potion racks are usable in storage houses? I just found out they're not usable in dungeon deeds, and I need some base of operations in lost irva.

>>18399614
You can lose resistances through dreams, so unless you know exactly which elements you're missing, why not?

>>18399614
You can lose the resists through bad dreams, so don't expect it to be permanent unless if you save scum. Consider feeding them to your pets first because those resists will last forever on them.

>>18399059
Please no bully

I play on overdose and like messing with debug races

>>18400025
Never mind, they're not. Ah, well.

Anon stop being a save scummer!

>>18400246
Just play on loss or natural if you find yourself tempted. Dog did a good job with the rare loot trigger as it's not a punishment, but rather a bonus that didn't exist before and essentially a reward for not doing it

>>18400246
Stop saying that little girl! I'm sorry I can't be like all the other honest and brave players out there. Instead you got stuck with a wretch like me.

>>18400343
Rare loot trigger? Tell me more.

>>18400246
When I stop dying of starvation because I can't be assed to look at my hunger level or health bar.

>>18400411
If you keep your game open for 10 minutes without quickloading or closing out without saving a flag is set that increases drop rate of rare items by a good margin.
The flag stays through the next time you run the game if you save and quit as well.

>>18400493
I see, time to keep my game open for 10 minutes before I start doing anything then.

>>18400493
>>18400509
This is not true, the 10 minute-thing was added in 1.66 but amended in 1.67 and changed to depend on the in-game month.

>>18400411
The rare loot trigger was added in E+ 1.66 and expanded in 1.67/1.68. It's like a switch that improves rare item drop rate and turns on the first new month when playing the game, and turned off whenever the game is loaded abnormally (so if you close the game via menu and load normally it is still on). When on, special equipment and artifact drops that have a 1/100 or less chance of getting generated now have 5-20 times the rate of getting generated. It also affects living weapons, well wishes, gamble chests, evo-items, and little sister life/mana increase chance.

Because this was not in the game before, this was a major change. Players who hadn't found living weapons in years of play were suddenly finding them, and drowning in happy beds. It made scumming tactics for rare loot unnecessary as your chances are best when not doing it.

>>18400548
Also ctrl+f ''trigger'' in the 1.60-1.69 changelog page if you want to verify the details.

Anon take a break!

>>18400548
>>18400576
Well shit that's good to know, I actually got into the habit of quitting by doing f1 and then alt f4. Good to know I've been fucking myself over for so long.

>>18400548
Ah my mistake. I apologize for spreading outdated information.

So waaaaay off fucking topic, but I'm new to Elona, what's about in the way of ports? Due to its mechanical similarities to mystery dungeon could a ds port be a thing?

>>18400780
There are no ports for Elona, but while the gameplay could be put on something like the 3ds, you'd have to change the UI quite a bit, the smaller screen size would probably require the game camera to be heavily zoomed in and you'd have to use the ZXC shortcut controls for sure. It'd still be a huge amount of work too, so I don't think it'd be worth the effort.

>>18399059
I think at least 10 hours are from leaving the game open while I'm sleeping or doing something else.

Whats the difference of evasion and greater evasion?

do both stack?

>>18401375
Both stack, essentially giving you two chances to evade. Evasion just improves your evade% for normal attacks. Greater evasion gives you a chance to avoid even critical hits. Neither of these work on special actions or spells.

If you use meteor with a magatama, you won't destroy the crap on the dungeon floor right ?

>>18401429
Wait,i keep seeing to spam meteor to level quick,whats the AOE size of it?

>>18401491
Everything.

>>18401549
So,a on demand noel nuke?

>>18401605
Yes, it nukes the entire map, including allies (and yourself?).

Especially fun when you get to real deep floors and Cthugha start to appear.
They're neutral npcs that rarely cast meteor. The fact that they're neutral means they can get into fights with hostile monsters, which can prompt a surprise meteor wiping out the entire floor with no warning.

How feasible is to kill a inner god Hyper Yacatect got the best throwing weapon

and i want it

>>18402161
It's possible to kill an inner god yes, but if you just want to weapon and not the killing bragging rights, you may have an easier and faster time just levelling to 675, giving the innergod a ton of gifts ( giving is a free action, no time passes ) and astral penning it.
You'll get its inventory, including the god weapon. After that, just interact with it and remand it, making it go away.

Hey newfag here, I want to start playing this game but I want the version with the most amount of crazy random shit, what should I do?

>>18402293
elona by itself its crazy,everyone plays custom+,right?

>>18402293
Get Elona+, download and install Elona+ Custom on top of that. Always remember to backup your saves.
Have fun.

Ophatos gives 20% flat damage reduction? doesnt that sound broken?

>>18402394
Apparently Mani just gives you straight up 20% more damage on everything too, according to the wiki. Not sure why you'd bother with the other gods when you have something like that.

>>18402800
>20% more damage on everything too

Only physical attacks

post your favorite little girl sprite, the one I got with monmusu file sucks, and I can't remember which I used earlier

i have two character.bmp files,one has the last two rows filled with new sprites (1.78) the one i am using doesnt (1.75) can i just copy the filled ones from 1.78 and paste into the 1.75 image file without issue?

>>18403883
Yes

>>18403720
Download chinese and tieba pack from the mod pastebin, go through the folders in tieba pack and rename them according to contents if you can't read ching chong. There you'll find a big folder full of misc female sprites, and another specifically for variations on NPCs from the game (lots of little girl, black angel, young lady, Lomias...).

Bonus level: edit one to make your own like pic related. Can steal hair from another sprite, put it on a seperate layer, colorize or hue shift to whatever color you want, and fit it on there like a wig. Maybe trim it a bit on the sides (add alpha channel to layer, use select tool and delete selection).

>>18403720
This is the one I'm using. I like black.

The collection I uploaded earlier has a ton of little girls in the child directory:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IOdFr-ZyLR-ex8bwh7sUegTJzQpV5GzA

>>18403923
>>18403720
Wait, no, this one.

>>18403911
Teach me how to steal hair without messing everything up senpai.

>>18404019
Not him, but I use photoshop's Select -> Color range and move the cursor over hair with shift pressed, which easily selects the hair. Delete it on one sprite, and copy it from the other sprite using same selection method.

I try not using pets too much,that 20% bonus speed on working alone is too good

which is the tankiest pet?

>>18403905
So i can just do this right? move the slots from left to right to fill the blank spots?

>>18404106
Forgot picture

How do I change an item name to something I want?
Searching for one with the scroll is taking too much time.

First time at this

little sister tyranitar chan

>>18404299
Original image

>>18404299
>Zoom image
>Suddenly red eyes
Freaked me out dude.

Tyranitar chan 2

How do i reliably make the background transparent? had to take another little sister image,put the PNG transparent sprite over it,save,and convert to BMP in paint

>>18404312
Original image

>>18404312
For background of the whole image, the game makes pure black transparent in-game (000000, put it on your lowest layer).

Add alpha channel to your hair layer and use fuzzy select tool or select by color tool to get rid of the hair's background (so overlaying the hair onto something else won't also cover it with all that shit, just the hair). Select and delete everything you don't need (the body, ears etc). Grab the body you want, put the hair layer on top of it, draw and edit to fit them together. Program used in example is GIMP, which is the only one I'm experienced with. If you use a different program same principles apply.

>>18404549
This was meant to also be an explanation for >>18404019. Working on separate layers that have a transparent background of no data (alpha channel) also applies to editing other things such as clothes. It lets you copy and swap stuff out and edit specific areas easier without messing with the rest, and prevents problems.

>>18404549
Nice, thanks for the explanation.

Is it just my imagination or does blowing a whistle cause your pets to drop what they're doing and immediately head to your location? I tried it when they were wandering off in dungeons and panic quests and it seemed to work, but maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see.

>>18404070
Karata's tankiest by far unless you abuse a custom npc. 90% phys damage reduction + immune to all elements sans pure magic

>>18404925
Any second choices? i havent gotten an astral pen yet

what about opatos pet? its a good substitute?

>>18405091
Opatos pet is pretty good early when you just need someone to defend you while you pick crops and shit, but it doesn't have any special flags or actions (aside from being able to carry furniture) till you get a god heart, where it gains super armor. If you don't have an astral pen, then yeah, just pick it up from opatos and slap your heaviest, highest pv gear on it along with some resistts

How exactly do i add those to my game? They came in separate files, as in body types / hair / clothes. Until then, i always used "ready" sprites.

>>18405091
You can make a crippled gay yeek into an indestructible tank, as long as you train any creature hard enough you'll be fine.

>>18405206
Look in your main graphic folder. Just rename the parts you want to the appropriate type; so if you have two bodies in there, rename a new one pcc_body_3. For clothes, pcc_cloth_(number), accessories pcc_etc_(number) and so forth. As long as they're the right file type and named correctly they will show up in the appearance menu. Ready-to-use sprites with the clothes and everything in one are just bodies, so you put it in there and name it pcc_body_number. Parts made for different bodies won't look good for obvious reasons.

>>18405263
Alright, that helped. Thanks a lot, mate.

I didnt knew you could equip a weapon on the shooting slot and throw it

stuff like the swords,scythes,etc

Evolution above all else

>>18405838
You know killing a little sister permanently lowers the chance of big daddies showing up, right?

>>18405874
Nope

>>18405874
What if you put them on a ranch?

>>18406042
I'm pretty sure they have 0 breed power no matter what like a couple other races

Is this good?

>>18406171
If you get it early, it can carry you through the early game. It's really accurate, has a nice damage bonus and deals handy poison and cut damage. Give it to a melee pet and it will use the remote blow ability to hit things far away all the time. I let a dual-wielding pet keep on using it for a long time on my last character. Unfortunately it falls off mid-game (~beginning of act 2), but it's useful for quite a while.

Hello darkness my old friend

Huh, when the enchantment bonus of living weapon changes so do the effects you can pick for leveling it up.

>pet has gloves that negate effect of poison
>dies to poison

What?

>>18406696
Poison damage or status effect?

>>18406707
Isnt that the same thing? if you negate the damage you shouldn't die to it,if you negate the effect you dont get poisoned at all

no?

>>18406749
''It negates poison'' only protects against the status effect, not the element poison. You need ###s of poison resistance against that.

>>18406749
Poison is an element and a status. You can take poison damage just like fire or lightning or magic damage, additionally poison damage has a chance to inflict the poisoned debuff, dealing damage over time. I'm unsure whether this DOT takes poison resistance into effect.
Equipment that negates the effect of poison grants immunity to the debuff, not poison damage itself.

>>18406776
>>18406781
here are the gloves in question

holy fuck the seminar pet is broken,its like having a player two

>>18406791
Don't worry, soon your pet will be feel like you are the player 2.

>>18406791
Yeah, that doesn't negate poison damage but it will prevent the wearer from taking the posion DoT. It's still helpful because a lot of the damage from poison type moves can come from the status ailment, but it won't negate the original damage of the attack.

>>18406791
Pets scale and grow faster than the player does, so they can easily feel more powerful than you, especially if you cast a strong/fast pet early game. Really the only reason why you might end up stronger is because you have an actual brain while the AI can be retarded and you have more abilities/spells to possibly take advantage of.

>>18406975
>>18406791
Which is why Custom AI is so unreasonably overpowered.

>>18406781
unrelated but is it even worth putting a shit ton of poison damage on a living weapon

I was fucking around in the starting cave trying to get a handle of controls and to clean up everything as I do so, and I turn the corner to see this fucker died

How the fuck did my tutorial NPC die?

>>18407017
That's amazing, can you post the log or something? You just got a really good weapon for early game.

>>18407016
As much as any other element, though maybe Chaos is better since it inflicts a lot of andom effects, poison included.

>>18407059

>>18407017
He might have drank a sulfuric acid or something

>>18407086
Do you recall seeing something pop up in red text?

>>18407101
Are you saying NPC can drink stuff they dont have? unless they start with the acid in their inventory

>>18407137
Maybe? To be honest, I was just walking around cleaning the cave not really paying attention to the log so I figured I was picking up too much at once and was about to get crushed by my pack

>>18407143
No, they can only drink what they have. But most generate with some random items in their inventory, which they will eat and drink if they can. You will often see people in the streets or in parties literally drinking themselves to death.

>>18407159
I doubt acid would have killed him, but maybe he spawned with alcohol, got into a fight with Larnneire and died? I didn't even know they could spawn with random items in the tutorial.

>>18407086
If you could and you haven't advanced time too much, do you think you could save and then punch the other person there (Or try to at least) until you hit them? If they got into a fight then then they'll be at low health as well.

>>18407213
I tried hitting them, and while they did aggro (and oneshot) but yeah...

>>18407288
Well, I never thought you'd kill them they're 20 times your level, but I just wanted to know if they would be at low HP.

What happens if you kill the king of palmia at the exact moment the story progresses to that point?

>>18407418
You can't, because his plot death (which pretty much just removes him from the game) occurs when you talk to one of the scouts in Lesimas.

>>18407436
and if you kill him,then talk to said scout?

>>18407448
Then he just never respawns.

>character is starving every 2 minutes

for fuck sake,do i just find something to max metabolism or what?

>>18407484
Carry around cargos of food and always eat until satisfied. Also try the special dish in the inn if you have bronze coins from harvest time quests.

>>18407484
You can eat food off the ground in town with zero repercussions, also in harvest quests. Cargo food is your best food for just filling up though.

>>18407484
Flour-based food never rots, so you can pack that with you for longer trips.

>character suddenly disappiers every 10 steps and appears somewhere else
fuck me

>>18407660
Sounds like a good ol' curse.

>Invisible enemy in hunting quest/is the floor boss

I am praising yacatech just to get her coin of seeing invisible enemies,that shit is annoying then i am dumpstering her and come back to lulwy

>>18408022
I always make my first small medal purchase the Sage's Helm for that reason.

>>18408022
Use violent garden

>>18408022
The exile can see invisible mobs.

Servants are the second reward and weapons are the third, so you can get the exile earlier than the coin/dagger. Rods are easy to farm too.

>>18400548
I think that rule is on top of the 10 minute rule. Both changes are from 1.67.

i.e. It turns on at the start of the month and also after 10 minutes. Sorry about the confusion.

>>18408075
I notice you just edited in the 10-minute timer in the 1.67 changelog, but how did you verify this is actually the case?

>>18408120
That part in the detailed changelog would have been at odds with the regular changelog if that had been the case.

To be sure, I'll just go test it real quick.

Wait,i just found out you can convert all the altars in the truce grounds to the god that you are currently praising

wouldn't that fuck you over if you convert all to one and decide you wanna change your mind later?

>>18408154
Yes, it very much would. It's a common point of newbie advice to NEVER convert those altars.
If you do, pretty much your only hope to switch to the displaced gods is to find a randomly generated altar to that god in a dungeon.

>>18408154
Yes. Yes it can. There is a static Mani alter in the cyber dome, and you can convert to Jure in December at her festival, but all the others I believe you would have to hope for a claimed alter to be generated in a random dungeon.

>your character can make out with anything
>your character can eat a 50lb corpse without trouble
>your character can throw pianos as an assault weapon

what you CANT do?

>>18408163
Yacatect is int the casino in Melkawn.

>>18408234
Kill late game enemies in a timely manner using a bow or gun

>>18408120
Tested with quaffing wells.

It turns on after 10 minutes. The question now is why is there that additional rule where it turns on at the start of a month? Is it for 1 speed characters or something?

>>18408251
What's actually the reason for this? I hear a lot that the only late game viable routes are Martial Arts (top), 2H, or high-level meteor. I can understand the magic, with scaling resists there's just going to be a point where even if you can bypass them it's not going to do enough anyway, but do ranged weapons just have garbage damage scaling on marksman? Lack of pierce?

>>18408163
Ehehe altar in valm.

>>18408264
>barehanded is viable in this game

dont you just get raped in melee range of anything unless you got a fuckton of health and regen?

>>18408280
Not if you gear/stat properly. Martial arts sucks early on, but when you get it high enough i believe it has the highest damage dice, along with the hidden passive of being able to do up to 8 attacks with a single punch. I think I read that against inner gods, high level meteor can kill in 4 turns, martial arts in 40, and 2h in 100 or so.
But Kai can probably expand more on whats good/bad and why, he's gone through a mage/gunner, martial artist/mage and now is on another character, so he can probably answer better than me.

I got a curse on my girdle while I slept, and it was for random teleport. Rip

>>18408251
Are bows/guns really that bad? I've never gotten to god killer status or anything but I find it can be pretty great because of special ammo.

1. Land time stop ammo
2. Rampage
3. Use burst ammo
4. Everything dies

>>18409015
Normal damage is atrocious but everything else is great

>>18409015
The problem is that they deal normal damage. There is no two hand or equivalent for range, so it's like taking an endgame melee build and removing the gains the get from 2h/dual wield/etc. It makes quite a difference to damage and accuracy.

>>18409731
And ranged multi-hit from gear is capped at one extra hit max. Has anyone gotten far enough with a ranged build to see if there's anything they can do in the late game to compensate for all this, though? Claws in both hands and multiple bullets/bolts/arrows to swap out for special ammo should make a good start.

Lulwy or Opatos for a predator character?

>>18409919
Extra attack chance affects burst ammo.

>>18409919
You could also use more claws with melee, even in the range slot. 2H/Dual wield are still better. You might try a snail/mutant with 10+ hands holding claws. Maybe one of them could be Gemini for the extra attack chance.

By the way, do crits affect the range multiplier? I seem to remember they do, but I can't find a reference anywhere. I know the new charging attack attribute sets it to 150%, but you'll have to dodge for 10 turns to use it.

>>18410026
Depends on Playstyle.
It's always good to go through every god, it's just a question of which god is your endpoint.

>>18410122
Is there any difference in going with dual claws or barehanded? you seem to be losing any good attributes the claws might have

>>18410344
Martial arts has a passive that allows more hits and powers up your attacks, but only when completely empty handed. Early on when skill is low dual claws are still handy though.

>>18409731
It probably does less than sword and board though

Is it better to recruit Gwen as the innocent or the pitiless version?

>>18410621
Pitiless starts at level 100 and has high stats, but you need to therefore at least be level 50 and her INI will be high making gaining AP harder. Her innocent form will have to be trained from the ground up, but in the end gives better gains. Evolving her from her innocent form also gives her 10 Life, which gives her more HP than her pitiless counterpart.

It is worth changing any shoe i come across into raw,so i can eat it and gain permanent speed?

>>18410729
No, takes too much time and scrolls and you need to eat a large number for only an occasional point of speed.

>>18410621
Get both

>>18410744
Fuck,i expected a flat +5 increase per shoe eaten

>>18410649
So wait you can evolve Gwen Innocent into Gwen Pitiless for 10 more Life? So astral pen 2 Innocent Gwens?

How i can give aphrodisiac food to NPC? they wont eat it if i willingly offer it

>>18410972
No...as it says right on the page, the innocent can be evolved into ''Gwen the innocent warrior'' who is different from the pitiless that shows up as the story progresses. They do share the same sprite, though.

EXCUSE ME? I GOTTA PAY TO KEEP HER ON MY HOUSE?

>>18411016
You don't have to pay her. It says under wage zero gp, but her age is so high that the number overlaps it.

>>18411024
Will she leave by the time december rolls or i gotta kick her out?

>>18411205
Rip

>>18411205
Rod of Teleport, always carry one, always. I also carry ways to cure status, and scrolls of return/escape.

>>18410831
How many tokens of friendship are usually needed?

Also, it seems that I can only throw love potions at things. They (Gwen) don"t want my mixed food.

Can i simply kill the gift seller NPC in jure festival and loot everything? those prices are fucking stupid

>>18412440
Nope, shopkeepers basically have their goods in a 4-d pocket you cant access. If there's something on the ground you want you could try pickpocketing it.

>>18412449
I cant steal altars

>>18412471
Better start getting your strength up

>>18412476
Dont you mean weight limit?

>>18412519
The weight of items you can pickpocket is limited to half your strength.

>>18411801
These amount of gifts got lulwy from neutral to soulmate

>>18409731
So wait, if normal damage is that bad then what do you do with dual wield/2h/unarmed? Do you convert all your damage to magic somehow or something? Can't you do that with bows as well?

>>18412916
I think he means that if you use 2-hand, you will have weapon skill + tactics + 2-hand/dual wield/unarmed, whereas if you use a bow you have weapon skill + marksman and thats it.

does anyone care to make a tier list for the classes?

>>18412927
Classes only affects your starting skills/attributes and the class feat, all of which can be changed later. What's the point of a tier list if anything can become anything?

>>18412933
It'd be good information for noobs on where to start I guess.

>>18412933
Class affects potential you gain from resting

>>18412955
warrior: Strength, 2% Constitution, 2%

thief: Dexterity, 2% Perception, 2%

wizard: Will, 2% Magic, 2%

farmer: Constitution, 2% Learning, 2%

predator: Constitution, 2% Dexterity, 2%

archer: Strength, 2% Dexterity, 2%

warmage: Strength, 2% Magic, 2%

pianist: Learning, 2% Charisma, 2%

gunner: Perception, 2% Learning, 2%

priest: Will, 2% Magic, 2%

claymore: Strength, 2% Perception, 2%

tourist: Speed 3%

>GOD-TIER
Gunner
>SHIT-TIER
Everything else

Does my armor weight affect how much i dodge? i always try saying at (light) below 15.0 weight total,yet the boss of the machine fort and the infantry are one shotting me with their bolts/guns

How do i know which items is my pet using? kinda hard to tell what i should give it if i dont know what it is making use of

>>18413018
If you mean equipped, they have a little "E" below their icons.

>>18413026
Oh,many thanks anon

How big are the character save files supposed to be? mine is already 7MB

>>18413018
If you want to get in their inventory, you can press tab in the (G)ive menu to swap to take

How lucky of me to find this.

>>18413191
I tried reading a book of wishing,it teleports me and it crumbles apart

what gives?

>>18413221
Your literacy level wasn't high enough.

>>18413221
You need close to 200 literacy for that

>>18413005
Armor weight or your armor class don't effect dodge, but the weight of the armor piece itself usually reflects in its PV/DV.

>>18413231
Wait,so i can simply turn everything into a useful material version/replace for a better heavier version without repercussions? no wonder

>>18413224
I literally dont have the skill,didnt found necessary to have it

>>18413230
Fuck me

Opatos stop fucking with me

>>18413236
Even if you had managed to read it, you wouldn't have been able to cast it

>>18413247
Look, he knows damn well what you're going to do with her.

>>18412975
>Tourist sleep increases speed potential.
Huh. Neat.

>>18413236
Yes, you should try to change the material of good items you have to better ones, but like I said the weight of the new material will reflect in the PV/DV typically.
For example if you want a high dodge rate spirit cloth and dawn cloth give you very high DV but low PV, and weigh very little. On the other hand Adamantium will give you the best PV by far, but it weighs a shit ton.

Materials are sorted into different quality levels however, so weight isn't perfectly accurate. For example paper weighs little, but it gives less DV than Rubynus even though Rubynus is heavier because paper is an inferior level material while Rubynus is considered superior.

This skill is fucking nuts,i was stuck here for hours

>>18408075
Servants are the first reward

>>18408022
Throw a liquid at them and they'll be revealed. Alchemy rain or water spells also work.

Can i get extra body parts from the doc if equipment raises my life over 10?

That adventurer throws only the best sand.

>>18413692
No. Your base life, not including feats, has to be cost+1.

>>18413758
ah fuck,i need +6 life to give myself a neck slot,so i can equip lulwy collar and train my evasion

2 more hero cheeses to go i guess

For martial arts do extra empty hands do anything? Or do they only help if you have claws/tonfas on?

>>18413781
Don't do anything. Extra claws/tonfas are good early but drop off in favor of bareknuckle boxing, so dont waste the body slots

>>18413831
Does only the small medal tonfa exist? i havent seen a single other one in the game

>>18413846
Theres like 3 or four tour guides, one in act 2 i know of and 2 in act 3 (Fron has retarded spawn conditions) and they all have tonfas

How do you level up low level pets fast? do they share exp if i bring one newbie pet and a expert one to a dungeon?

or do i just dump her into the training dojo?

>>18413880
Give your pets gold or ores for them to sell in town. They'll train their potentials, with lower level pets training for much cheaper. Give them some decent gear and they'll be leveling up super fast from being at 400% potential on everything all the time.

>>18413895
So i tell the weaker one to pick stuff from ground and give her any ores i find,correct? i didnt saw any of that in the wiki,maybe i skipped over

many thanks

neither saw the comment of big daddy spawning less if i killed the little girls

>>18413909
You can also use tag team to help weaker pets by tag teaming with them yourself or tag teaming them with stronger pets (Consider using directive or a command flag to set the stronger pet to defensive)

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Tag_organization

If the pets are low level, a few normal ores or crystals should be plenty of gold. It can be worth buying them from vendors and then giving them to your pets.
However, in the long run, you should give your pets the pickpocket skill through gene engineer (Buy slaves from Derphy like the thief to give them the skill).
You can also hold onto Ores of emerald ruby and diamond, later on using a pot of fusion you can combine 5 of them into a much more valuable gem that your pets can sell for significantly more.

>>18413952
Alright cool,didnt knew the flag was something more than decoration

How does the flag affect the tag team?

Any page that details how the custom pet AI works? pet gets stuck that they cant process instruction

>>18414004
Directive or using the command flag will let you change your pet's AI a bit or tell them to use special ammo if they're using ranged weapons. When you set a pet to defensive it won't attack. This way your strong pet will defend your weaker pet but it won't kill everything so the weaker pet can get all the EXP.

>>18414026
AnnaBannana's (author of Elona Custom and the custom AI system) userblog post on the subject is probably your best resource.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/New_Features_in_Elona_Custom_1.51.4

>>18414004
There is a flag, and a command flag. The latter is used with "t". The former is a decoration.

so guys i just started a couple of days ago but i have no idea how to pay my bills, i have the money but no clue as to how to do it

>>18414522
Pick bills from your salary box and head to the palmia embassy just in front of palmia,once inside interact with the middle desk (tax box) to deposit the bills and pay

On what slot i should use Garok hammer? does travel speed stack? what is a shooting mechanism?

Well it seems I'm starting to become the sidekick. Good. I thought the kamikaze yeek would just be a burden until I could disable special actions entirely. Hopefully that works.

I'm curious about something. How many of you know that the materials for potions of potential can be obtained from pets gathering materials?

Wait,are Hard gay actually good tanks?

can you even disable their explosion skill?

>>18408579
this is exactly one of my chinese cartoons! i know exactly how this is going to end.
>>18410026
our lord and savior yacatect, of course!

>>18414752
Shooting Mechanism is an additional attack that can sometimes trigger when you shoot an enemy with a bow/gun, sort of like an invoke skill. Proximity assist weapon is the equivalent for melee. It does quite a bit of damage and it weakens the enemy but its chances of triggering are quite low.

I could be wrong, but I believe additional attacks from rapid ammo or burst ammo can also trigger it, so if that's the case it could work well if you use those a lot.

>>18415226
>when you shoot an enemy with a bow/gun

actually this works with melee too

Is it possible to get "It stops time" on a weapon randomly? I'm thinking a living bow with it could be extremely strong.

>>18412975
Do you have a source for that?

Can guys be Claymores without any penalties?

>>18416173
yes

>>18415492
yes, I have a few living weapons with timestop though it's pretty rare

>>18416173
I wish Claymores had a special ability that let them go beyond their normal power(stat boost) but if you do it for too much turns you gain a random body part like a mutant. Males would have 2 times as less turns before they gain body parts so the class text wouldn't be just flavor text. But that'd mean Claymore would be a race and not a class.

>>18416386
>be claymore
>become an abyssal abomination not even one minute into the game for more slots
Honestly, all the dramas about "i'm losing my humanity oh noes becoming a hundred times stronger than the average superhuman is baaad" "i need to eat people now to live ( and to be an immortal-flash-hulk-wizard ), woe is me" "i gained an IQ of 666 but now i have a spanish accent, i want to die" tropes is so silly when you are a munchkin.
Who cares about social interactions/becoming disfigured when you can gain power. Anime protagonists/rivals/BBEG/dragons are a bunch of emo faggots.

>>18416546
maybe they value interaction over power

>>18416577
why

>>18408579
>BRAZZERS

>>18415011
No, they're no more durable than any other human. Getting that one level 8 yith npc would be a better choice.

Through AP you can disable the special actions and/or spells of NPCs. I'm hoping that disabling special actions will be a solution.

>>18416546
In a game where you can be anything, why do you want to be a disfigured?

Would be funny if slaying a god just removed it from the game all together,their altars,telling anyone you just murdered it would make npc hostile/respond with incredulity (like in morrowind)

Choose

>>18417023
Last month there was an anon who subjected himself to popular vote on what to play, and ended up playing a snail priest with a kamikaze yeek as only pet. The yeek kept exploding no matter what. There is the self-initiated explosion, but also explode-on-taking-damage-from-any-source. They will keep trying to suicide at all times and can succeed even when wet from a magaqua. No idea if Leold can fix that. Would be pretty crazy if you can train it until it is strong enough to survive its own 99,999 damage suicide.

I quit.

>>18417104
I know. It's me you're talking to. It's kind of fun actually. It makes me do something that wouldn't have even crossed my mind. Wouldn't recommend that pet but I'd recommend the "other people decide your stuff" thing.

It'll take ages to reach that point but it'll be awesome. The priest feat will probably be good at healing her.

>>18416705
Some people aren't munchkins.

>>18417095
>Lulwy almost never wear clothes
is this even a fair choice?

>Every tonfa is a precious weapon or carries absurd penalties

Can i get 2 shield tonfas from the workshop or just one?

>>18417480
Her card says she doesn't want people staring so she warps the air around her to make it so you can't see her bits.

>>18417486
Only one, it's a unique weapon.

>>18417492
Any other options? the rest are guarded by lv150+ NPC

how about a claw and the shield tonfa?

Do you think the medal shop is overpowered?

>>18417521
It Should be,medals arent exactly easy to get

>>18417499
Claws are pretty good. Get a great quality one that has one high resist or some other nice enchantment, and use a Garok's hammer on it for proximity assist weapon [#####+] (250). This turns it into miracle quality, increasing the dice cap, so change material it to dragonscale or adamantium and then use a craft repair kit for excellent offensive bonuses. Then since it has little wasted enchantments, you can use artifact fusion to power it up even more, making this single claw boost your damage by a tremendous amount.

>A extra hand is somehow more straining than an extra chest

Any way to get more useful herbs from gardening? For every 10 herbs harvested I get 9 stomafilias/curarias, or is it normal and I should simply increase my total herb production? Also how much of a difference does blessed and normal fertilized make while growing them? Herbs dont get +x bonus like food stuff, so does it influence anything else? Like whether or not it will give me the "rare" herb after collecting?

>>18417768
>fertilizer

>>18417663
I saw people mentioning artifact fusion and craft repair kits, but can you explain it some more or advise some good guide for it? I believe I only got 2 craft repair kits and never did artifact fusion so I'm a bit afraid I will fuck it up

>>18417785
Craft repair kits increase the dice of an item to the maximum permitted by their quality level and material. They're quite common so don't be shy about using them. Artifact fusion you can look up on the wiki, it's lategame stuff.

>>18417846
How would you even add damage to a claw? I found artifact fusion very helpful for boosting resists to max for me and my pets, but aside from resists and magic damage I can't really see how else to really take advantage of it. Is stacking stats/skill boosts that useful? (And even then you'd have to farm a ridiculous amount to hope for the right jewel drops)

>>18417876
I'm not there yet, so really this is just shooting the shit and you should take it with a grain of salt. Stats and skills are capped at 2k, but can go over this limit with equipment boosts and buffs. So unless the strength derived from them is somehow also capped at 2k, you'd see a benefit from stacking stats and skills. The last godslayer we had in here had 2172 STR at some point, the 172 over the limit I imagine powered up his melee by a fair amount.

Are claws and machine guns the only weapons without artifacts?

>>18417526
there are static ones though. it's pretty simple to collect them and then get a really powerful early-game weapon when you just start out. i think that's the strategy for the harder classes like tourists anyway.

>>18418286
Machine guns have artifacts, I think the adventure merchant and a few other enemies carry some. Tonfa are the claw artifacts. Interesting design choice, but there it is.

Guys, why am i stopped receiving the message telling me i've been playing for x hours?

How to keep skill potentials high? Also, does savescumming stops permanently that buff >>18400548 mentioned?

I can have as many mutations as i want without issue right? just gotta spam potions of evolution

etherwind diseases are what kills me if i got too many of,correct?

>>18418586
You mean potential of skills or attributes?

>>18418586
>>18418998
If you mean skills then plat coins at trainer obviously, so I assume you're talking about Attributes like Strength, Constitution etc. In that case you need potions of potential, best if they're blessed, since not blessed rise potential of 1 attribure, while blessed rise of them all. Magic vendors invested in 2X50 usually sell them every 3-4th reroll of their wares, while to get them to blessed just mix them with blessed water.

>>18419026
I see. Thanks. I wanted to know if there was any other way besides Platinum coins, but looks like it can't be helped.

>>18419148
You can use blessed scrolls of growth 5-10 will usually get all your skills to the 200-400 range, but outside of static locations/very rare drops/wishes there are only two ways to get them. 1) buy them from a souvenir vender at 3.5 million a pop. 2) buy them from the medal shop at 15 small medals a pop.

Well,fuck me

>>18419450
Protip: the gods will kill you if you pick a fight with them.

>>18394747
>>18394761
One of the few features that other games have that I've always wanted in Elona was the phobia system from ZHP.
When you die to an enemy, you take extra damage from that species of enemy and gain a meter. The meter fills a little every time you kill an enemy of that species. When you fill it entirely, you lose the debuff and gain a permanent buff that makes you deal more damage to that species.
It really gives you a beautiful feeling of revenge.

Well I broke my pet by setting it to defensive on one of the flags by accident. How do I change it back? I can't interact with the same flag anymore.

>>18419842
Make sure you're using a command flag, not a regular flag. Just pick offensive. Alternatively use the directive command under (a)bilities if you have enough CHA.

>Huh, why have I been encumbered the whole time? I just sold all the loot
>I was accidentally carrying around a tree

>>18419854
Thanks, I guess I was trying to use a normal flag the second time.

Does speed penalty only kick in once you have more than 13 equip slots,regardless of what those slots are,right?

>>18420370
Yes.

Early/Mid=Claws
Late=Tonfas
Endgame=Barehanded

at what level of barehanded do i ditch the tonfas?

is this common or did I just get an extra retarded detective?

>>18420516
>at what level of barehanded do i ditch the tonfas?
At the level where your barehanded damage is higher than tonfa damage

Smash ground does absolutely ridiculous damage. Does armor reduce it? Archayeeks, Nuou and Buildions (in order of ascending danger) are a terror.

Hod do I increase my speed without assistance of equipment and hermes blood? I'm at the point that enemies i fight with in dungeons have usually 300-400+ speed and my 170 is crippling me. I read somewhere that high quality food tends to develop it too but not much info about that on wiki.

>>18420718
You got that far without knowing about AP? Go to Leold. If you don't have any AP, try doing ~20 floors of the void.

>>18420730
I have 2000 AP I think, checking on wiki who this Leold is

>>18420730
Holy fuck I didnt even start the main quest yet

>>18420777
You've got some adventuring to do, buddy.

>>18420777
i simply turned debug races and started as a quickling

only drawback is you got the smallest health pool and no neck slot,but damn worth it if you are a speed addict like me

>>18420817
It's very easy to get to 800 speed in act 2. Getting to a baseline 100 life from the 3 you start with as a quickling however will take hundreds of hours of sister and ticket farming

>>18420843
Literally how? i always felt slow as bricks with other classes

i have a business card,should i change to golem? i am a predator quickling

>>18420876
ignore the business card comment,i forgot it only changes classes,not races

i am retarded

>>18420876
You can spend AP to get your speed up in act 2.

>>18420876
You can't change your race, not even with a philosopher's stone mask (only cosmetic). As for how, you get AP from killing strong enemies which you can spend at Leold to increase your speed. Since you got this far you might as well make the best of it, get good at performing and get tickets to buy hero cheese with in Arcbelc to increase that life. Rewards for turning in sisters I would use on kumiromi statues until you've got a bunch.

>>18420843
There's a reason I am addicted to Golems. Don't need to be that concerned about speed when you're a brick and a half.
Especially since I need those cheeses for my squishy-as-hell pets. Curse my Catsister fascination.

>>18420893
As in,clone his statue? arent statues of the same type timer shared?

In what way would that benefit me? i dont think unkown seeds can make hero cheese

>>18420966
They don't share a timer. Every day that's a multiple of 3 gives herb seeds.

>forgot to pick mani statue from floor
>now its gone forever

FUCK

>>18420966
You want lotsa herb seeds

>>18420972

*ends in a multiple of three. Big difference. Ie, 19, 23, 26 would all give herb seeds.

Jesus I just encountered Five headed god, and fucking <Sunsrise> Archipelago Dragon. Wtf is this bullshittery, in lvl 190 dungeon. That sunrise bastard literally was one shotting my lvl 220 dead eyes and it wasnt even the boos floor... Is this the difficulty jump I saw people mentioning ealier?

why does sunrise constantly offer to ojin. i already have one and he keeps asking everytime he dies

>>18421174
How do you even beat that thing?

>>18421160
Five head gods are a big difficulty spike, just wait until you fight them in panic/challenge quests or the void. You need incredible resists to survive them. Start looking to upgrade your gear.

>>18421174
Bug. According to dog blog, known and will be fixed in next update.

>>18421183
By being a big guy.

>>18421201
Or girl

How can I know the range of a unique ranged weapon?

HHNNNNNGGGFHHH

>>18421270
Check the wiki for it's type, then checked the ranged weapons page

>>18421183
feeding my pet lots of wheaties

>>18421315
What I want to check specifically is the <Rainbow> but the wiki only classifies it as a bow, I don't know if it's long or short.

Is ebon considered an NPC or a monster?

Shield tonfa or garok hammer? can you get more than one garok hammer?

at what level i should get the void license?

>>18421498
garok hammer isnt precious, get it as many times as you want. if you're training ma and have no tonfas, go for shield to start. just get void whenever you're in act 2 and ready to farm ap

Is worshiping kumimori really necessary to get the best plants? the only useful looking reward seems the pet

>using pets
imagine being this much of a casual. i bet you don't even play on loss.

>>18421674
I play on loss and have a party of 7 right now, essential boy

>>18421674
see that boss that rapes anything in melee range? yeah i need something distracting it

Is spritefag still here? Are you still taking requests?

>>18421740
Ye

>>18421612
You don't need kumi at all. The gem is nifty, but statues are better. Even the pet isn't much better than just doing every harvest quest you come by. He does give a nice stamina boost, but unless you spam special actions, say for ensemble, it shouldn't matter.

I never realized how tiresome ranching for enhanced milk is. So here's what I'm thinking. The ability to leave a second pet as a ranch hand. Alongside gathering the stuff on the ranch they'd brush the livestock and get enhanced milk. I could probably think of some feats like the shopkeepers get. Your thoughts?

>>18421785
I do spam the money storm action when stuff needs to die or its suicidal being too close to it

Do absolute piercing attacks apply to ranged weapons?

Can i pickpocket/duel glove/astral pen the tonfas away from the NPC?

>>18421745
Could you please make a Curly brace sprite? I'm too much of a brainlet to do it myself.

>>18422016
Do you want a PCC or a static?

My character is shit.

>>18421835
>enhanced milk
Huh?

>>18422114
PCC if you could

>>18421674
I exclusively play on Abnormal because Loss is too easy.

>>18422130
Squeezing livestock gives milk with an enhance value. I got +10 milk once. It happens at the cost of life.

Wait a minute i thought of something. Could ranches be used as AP farms? You cut the life stat of livestock in half every time you squeeze them, a level 100 enemy with one life should be fairly easy for someone to kill early on.

>>18422245
Comin' right up. Well it will take me a few days, so sit tight

What is the fastest way to train charisma without doing the raw engagement ring eating.
The baker in Vernis already counts me as a foe and I think if my number goes down to 0 she'll kill me.

>>18422329
Save up enough money to do an Invest50 on a magic vendor (or whatever vendor you want).

Does anybody know how to properly change your riding pcc? I tried naming my kaneda riding pcc to pcc_ride_1.bmp and pcc_ride_2.bmp but it wouldn't work, pls help

>>18422286
Makasih anon

>>18422363
What do you mean by "wouldn't work" exactly?
Did you change the riding sprite to the right number? Pic related. I have it set to 0 because I don't have a good custom riding sprite.
You need to have one for pcc_ride_bk_# as well btw.

>>18420567
Intended. Check his name more closely. He is a failed detective that got himself bitten by werewolf. He is on culprit's side.
>>18421996
No pickpocketing for precious items. Other two variants are fine.
>>18422270
Doubt that livestock can give AP. That would have been too easy.

>>18422461

>>18422573
I only have these 2

>>18422573
This one is named pcc_ridebk_kaneda2_fsm.bmp
>>18422579
This one is pcc_ride_kaneda2_fsm.bmp

>>18422573
>>18422579
Thanks. The problem with custom riding pccs is that the pcc_ridebk bmp needs to be changed to whatever pcc you are using if you are using a custom pcc. Otherwise your PCC will just look like a featureless mannequin on a horse. It isn't usually as straight forward as a direct copy paste of your PCC since various parts (like hair, legs) will interfere with the horse.
Similar issue with tag team sprites - it looks weirdly cut in the middle where the two pccs meet / overlap.
Definitely need to put a bit of work into it if you use a custom PCC and want to make it look good.

3 of the same artifact dropping on the same floor.

https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=67286532

Pastebin this kudasai~

should I just rush act 2 so I can get to part 3 and artifact fusion

How do I acquire a coconut crab?
Asking for a friend.

>>18423939
Take as much time as you want, it's not necessary unless you're planning on extreme void diving >200F or godslaying right away. You can get by just fine with godly equips. You'll need a lot of scrolls of gain attribute anyway, so start saving them.

>>18422461
How do you get the riding option there?

>>18424098
Food vendor in Port Kapul

Can i simply duel glove a NPC over and over to farm the weapon?

>>18424382
Just respawning does not recover lost things, especially precious ones. You will need a freshly-spawned copy. The one on party quests, for example.

And while "farming" precious weapons is certainly possible, you cannot have more than one copy of same precious thing in your inventory at once. Excess ones will become stardust. No multi-wielding of same tonfa.

>>18422252
>playing with no permadeath

>>18424448
Oh,i guess i will need the other two tonfas located in the last continent,i gave both to my pet to murder everything on the screen

Now i need to see how i will get the warsuit

>>18422252
I don't want to do abnormal mode because your enchantment level can always be reduced, destroying any possibility of having a +71 living weapon.
I wouldn't mind having to farm stardust for maintaining a +15 set, but the living weapon is a deal-breaker.

Or maybe i should do it anyway, since i think my next run is going to have a "can only use 'T'hrow and meteor as means of attack" gimmick, so not possibility of having your weapon ruined.
Still, it also means i won't be able to make a very interesting gene... Mmmh. Then again, do you REALLY need any of the crap from a gene file, aside from the potions of potential, herbed food, and you're beefed up artifact fused artifacts ?

>>18424462
You could even play with permadeath, with your save file being void once you die. There's the added benefit of letting you prepare a gene after your death, if you found/made a cool artifact.


Honestly, i don't care whatsoever about the karma penalty for cat/dog killing since i'm already hooked with the criminal -100 karma life.

>>18424886
Abnormal mode has always bothered me. If it's supposed to be the most punishing mode, why doesn't it have permadeath? Losing your equipment on death is not nearly as bad as losing your character. 21-inv limit is just a major inconvenience you have to work around (pet mules, everything from crafting to shopping takes thrice as long). Karma penalty from dogs/cats doesn't matter once you get past the early game and can defeat the guards. Enemies having gauge attacks earlier is pretty dangerous, but you shouldn't let anything live long enough to use them against you. It just seems half-assed as a challenge mode. In the description it says ''for those who like slow and steady progress''. Is it just the mode for stretching your play time out over several thousand hours? I've never seen anybody play Abnormal, all the daredevil masochists play Loss instead.

>>18425035
Just delete your character bro.

>>18424246
You have to be riding something for it to show up.

>>18425210
It has less legitimacy when it's a self-imposed thing than when the game itself actively enforces it. You get my meaning?

What do i give to a tanky pet? 2 shields? hammer and shield?

>>18425807
Maybe give them a shield early on if it's good, but once they stop dying quickly, you'll want to spec them into either dual wield or 2h. Shields don't scale good at all.

>>18425807
If your pet's role is exclusively to tank, you might want to give them provoke, at least one shield, and either the charm or obstinate AP feat (second slot reserved for barrier).

>>18425819
>Shields don't scale good at all.
Yeah and I hate this, usability of a shield depends entirely on how good the shield itself is.
Literally the only use for them is to take up the weapon slot to add a bunch of resists if you're lucky to find a shield with those, since they're basically the exclusive weapon type that can be found with several elemental resists or other buffs.

Meme

Can I get astral light pens from the angels in Ol-dran?

>>18426144
Meme?

HOLY FUCK KILL YOURSELF

>>18426398
looks like someone didn't read the wiki

>>18426504
I did,i dont got any of those options

Can i put a fairy in a farm and farm their bodies for experience of kuromori?

>>18426562
Yeah. The magic resistance from their corpses will be helpful too.

>>18426398
What happens if you astral pen the respawning/auto resurrecting first form? does it retain the ability?

How do I deal with my weak ass pets? Honestly, I'm a mage and most of them are just not keeping up with me. They don't even work properly as meat shields, my undead dead-eyes do everythig my pets do but like 5 times better. And that's despite all the gold I'm pouring into them for trainings. Should I just discard them?

>>18426890
Use these
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_training_in_Elona%2B
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gene_Engineer

>>18426890
You're probably not gearing them correctly. A pet without resists is a pet who will kill themselves or go blind and just stand still until death.

>>18426890
>His pets aren't literally teleporting behind gods and decapitating them

>>18426924
The thing is I did all of that already, I just find them weak. They die too easy, getting them all the good equipment for them and body slots just takes so much time, why should I bother if I can just summon a bunch of lvl 240 dead-eye dragons? I read about some really good pets like karata, yiths etc but are they really worth all the effort?

Wait,so,the final boss of act 2 is the elona equivalent of lavos?

>>18426952
That's what im talking about, getting all the good gear with all the resists just takes so much time. All the management, upgrading and other stuff you have to do, is it honestly worth it?

>>18426988
I have 6 pets all with at least 3# in each resist. I can safely just hold shift and run around the map and have them nuke anything instantly without a worry.
The game pretty much plays itself for me so far.

>>18426981
Yours are weak because you're not doing a good job raising them. Since you're at the level where you can summon dead eyes, you should be aware tagged, well-geared pets with AP feats and appropriate skills will seldom if ever die and get ridiculously powerful. This applies even if your pets are putits with no special abilities or bitflags to speak of. If you build a team with good synergy you'll be able to tackle content many times your level. And that's without using custom AI, should you decide on that they get even stronger. But getting there takes a lot of work. You sound like you're not into pets, so just focus your energy on your PC.

Source: pet-focused player since vanilla days

i just used all my hearts of evolution to evolve the fire@dragon child to her last form,is that the tankiest pet in the game or i just wasted the items?

>>18427106
You didn't waste them, it's an extremely tanky and popular pet. Megid flame is pretty good.

>>18427106
Megid Flame is broken, 220 life. Just teach it shadow step and let it loose

I finally got to act 2 and I have news. Sealing special actions doesn't disable suicide bombing. Shit.

>>18427340
So magaqua is the only way to go then.

>>18427340
Have you tried giving it:
-gloves of vesda
-metal wing of vesda
-the war suit

Should i add 2 hands for weapon to my fire dragon child or 2 extra ring slots? which monster gives a 3rd and 4rt ring slot on the gene machine?

>>18427477
The AI still breaks. Maybe I should ask for a fix.
>>18427614
What would any of that do?

>>18427674
All those equips provide superb fire resist,that would help survive its own suicide move,no? you should have the gloves of vesda at least,since its from the fire tower

Is Mining a good skill to invest in early on?

>>18427688
Suicide moves give the user a fixed 99999 damage (give or take one 9), it has nothing to do with resistances.

>>18427688
Suicide attack isn't affected by fire. It doesn't even deal fire damage.

>>18427688
Suicide deals static 100k damage, that cannot be reduced by anything.

>>18427767
>>18427773
>>18427780
Fuck,i am retarded