/jp/ - Otaku Culture

When do you all do your reps anons?

>>18128126
Before going to bed so I experience the words in my dreams.

>>18128126
Usually after an hour of procrastination from waking up

>>18128126
7 am

>>18128126
after waking up, coffee in, wide awake

What is in a rep? Vocab?

>>18128126
Never

>>18128166
everything you have in your anki deck so possibly kanji recognition + core deck or mined words

>>18127967
Link?

>>18128276
The picture has everything you need to find it. Right now there's a 外人 living in Japan running a game with pretty good Japanese but it's akward enough to know she's not Japanese

今日も一日がんばるみょん～

>posting copycats

あしたは

がんばらなくてもいいひ

はやくおしょうがつにならないかな

>>18128350

Reminder that the New Year's batsu is on in ~2.5 hours.

おしょうがつは

えっちいことはだめ

それはクリスマスのやくめ

How do I persuade my friends to get serious about their Japanese learning in time for their trip to Japan/Comiket in the next year? At this rate I won’t be able to live vicariously through them.

>>18128584
>がんばらなくてもいいひ
そんなのあるかよ

>>18128810
Please don't force anybody to learn, thats a terrible idea
if they want to they will

>>18128822
がんたんはかきぞめするよ

>>18128839
I know, it’s just a bit frustrating hearing their big plans for learning Japanese and then seeing them fall so short of it

>>18128909
Revel in their inevitable disappointment.

あと元旦は

４ちゃんは

みてもかいてもだめ

>>18128909
Don't worry, they probably didn't really want to learn Japanese anyway

>>18128967
どうして

>>18129000
とくめいはだめ

がんたんはあのんになれない

How much importance do you place on true retention? I just started my mining deck, about 300 words in, and I only have about 70% average, sometimes mid 60%

>>18128126
After waking up. Then repeat new words before I go to sleep.

>>18128309
How hard is Hinamatsuri?

>>18129181
Doesn't matter. Trying to force things through Anki is pointless anyway.
Just keep reading and ignore the numbers.

>>18129842
sometimes I get the feeling some people don't even care that much about japanese, it's just a numbers game for them

>>18129833
>do they act as English spaces or like a continuation of the previous vowel?
the latter

>>18129900
I have to admit that it's addictive to watch my numbers go up in anki, and I always check true retention and mature percentages after I finish reviewing.

ベッキーざまあ

>>18128701
エッチは良くナイジェリア！

ダジャレは下手くそ・・・

fucking brutal

>>18129842
>Just keep reading and ignore the numbers.
I have studied both ways. Never ever will I study words "via reading" if I have enough time to add them in anki. You will remember basics but rarer words won't stick. I had already completed more than 10 VNs in japanese, a few books and so on, learning pretty much every unknown word and it sometimes buffles me how often I see new words that are have a pretty simple meaning in my naitive language. For example, I came across a word 孔雀, which means "peafowl" a few days ago and I could say with confidence that I read a lot in japanese. Just think how much text you need to absorb so that you could say with confidence that you nailed down both reading and the meaning of the word. On the other hand, adding the word in your deck and reviewing the word several times will practically yeild you guaranteed retention (at least in my case)

>>18132123
Yes, the one you generate in 1 minute with the kanji strokes addon

Can anyone tell me which of the listening resources in the OP link are ideal for someone learning?

Ideally I'm looking for something I can just throw on to help my knowledge and understanding while I do other things but there are a bunch of listening things in the OP and I don't know which to grab

Is using Imabi as the only grammar resource ok?

>>18132628
明日（read as メイビ）

>>18132614
if enough people misuse that phrase, could of may replace could have in the coming years
This is the power of Burgers

>Takes Japanese in College
>Class full o turbo weebs.
>Talks about Anime during class
>Fails all exams.
What the fuck are they doing in that class?

>>18133356
Who are you quoting? Also who cares?

>>18128110
Already done for today.

What's the rules on trailing u's?
Notice sometimes people will fully pronounce the す in です or います and other words that would typically end in just a s rather than the full su.
But I was always told that's a rather stupid thing to do and you'll look like a dumbass if you do it.

>>18133696
Depends on the intonation and where in the sentence they lie. Listening is your friend, you're going to pick it up sooner or later.

>>18133017
must feel like shit anon

>>18134091
There will always be moments where you don't understand sentences. If pay attention, you'll notice it happening to you with English, too. There's jargon in fields you're unfamiliar with, there's culture you're unfamiliar with, and there's grammatical structures you're unfamiliar with. "I'm running to cat so guard mid, let's just hope they didn't go for a B rush" is something you wouldn't get even though you "know" every word, if you didn't play Counter-Strike. And there's infinite more examples of this kind of thing. All you can do is keep reading and keep listening, until you know MOST of what you encounter. That's all you can do. 100% comprehension is a myth.

>>18134202
read the guide, and thanks for a few ideas on word filters to tide over people like you over new years

>>18133668
if you don't drop it before 2k your hopeless

>>18134298
Why is that hopeless? Because you say so?

how do you guys study listening? watch once w/o subs then again with them? vice versa?

>>18134198
>>18134495
Interesting takes on the matter. Thanks you, anons. And happy New Year to everybody!

>>18134481
Like the other anon said japanese subs works wonders because you can study both listening and reading with the same video.
assuming you have good enough grammar capabilities you can pause and look things up if you hit something you can't figure out.

>>18134681
>drinking ethanol
>willingly
リア充 crack me up sometimes, almost makes me want to get a job in a drive thru bottle shop so I can sell poison directly to them
to answer your question though, only after a certain amount does memory formation cease, doing reps during that period is absolutely pointless

Thoughts on those language exchange meetups?

I've thought of attending those meets up to improve speaking ability and just to experience the language from an actual native.

My only concern is that, it seems the ratio of natives to English speakers is unbalanced around my area.

Happy new year djt
Can't believe I'm spending new year's with you guys once again

>>18134785
They're excuses for normalfags to drink and try to fuck each other.

>>18134837
You could say that about any meetup or any event in real life though.

>>18134875
Yeah, and it would be true in practically all cases. Do not interact with people in real life.

Fuck I haven't done my reps yet because cleaning all day and I have people coming over in an hour and I still need to shower and set out the meat and cheese and wash the champagne flutes

test
>>>jp18097882
>jp>>18097882

>>18135360
going to fall asleep before the clock hits 0

>>18135364
but you're wrong, it's just that instead of reorganizing your brain literally grows and then shrinks back to normal size, keeping the new neurons instead of the old.

>>18135372
test
>>18097882

>>18135540
only for regular on'yomi groups

>>18135541
you're right but a week is also unnecessary if you just want to get used to the kanji with regular semantics hints

>>18135556
>makes up a lot of words
literally does the opposite of making things up
>also divides the same radical into multiple cards for no reason
because people insist on radical decks being able to be used for production for no good reason

>>18135563
This is a terrible idea.

>>18135568
your deck sucks give up, the only good part is the color scheme and links to read more about the radical

>>18135591
then why does the deck link to them?

>>18135568
If you really want to learn radicals I recommend the KanjiDamage way. http://www.kanjidamage.com/kanji_facts
Kanji stopped appearing scribbles to me after this.

>>18135623
so when learning English a foreigner learning it should care about the Greek/Latin/etc. roots of words? or maybe Ænglisc?

>>18135637
If you're learning etymology at all, yeah. Learning that the "con" in "condense" has to do with coming together is a lot better than learning that it means "down" just because of "condensation" being associated with rain etc. Same shit as learning etymological meanings of radicals instead of made-up ones guessed from single characters like "spoon". Of course, you don't have to study etymology at all, just don't study bullshit etymology, and definitely don't call real etymology bullshit and bullshit etymology real.

>>18135679
While not primarily, I'd be happy if I could write.
>>18135678
>>18135664
Thanks for the suggestions.

>>18135702
What is your primary?

>>18135713
Fluency.

>>18135745
The 1600s called, they want their lingua franca back. Nobody but regressive academic snobs cares about neo-latin anymore.

>>18135732
what's your end goal after "fluency"?

>>18135777
I feel as if I am being detained and questioned for something bad I did.

>>18135785
i guess because nobody knows that island isn't actually related to isle that nobody is truly literate

>>18135793
>island isn't actually related to isle
What the fuck?

>>18135525
>>18135537
I am doing kanji with KKLC, but I never worked on radicals by themselves, and I'm just picking them up just fine with the kanji. A dedicated radical deck seems pointless, given that the kanji deck is already far easier than my vocab deck as it is.

As a slightly-related question, is there any benefit to learning the Japanese names of radicals? I suppose they might be used in spelling as an alternative to an example word using the kanji?

>>18135821
wasting time is in fact pleasurable

>>18135821
Why the fuck not? For the sake of completeness, if nothing else. If learning to write properly can be incorporated in the otherwise lengthy learning process, I believe it should be.

This year, I'll do it!

I can do it! You can, too!

>>18135859
It's faster if you delay it until you're a fluent reader. Also makes becoming a fluent reader faster.

>>18135821
You seem very invested in proving that his goal is inherently bad just because it's not one that you value. How valuable is learning Japanese itself? The majority of us are doing it simply because we want to, because it interests us, because it would make us feel accomplished to do so. Being capable of writing is hardly different.

>>18135877
屁理屈

>>18135883
All of us are here to learn how to read&listen. You've come to the wrong board buddy. No one here is learning to write a language most of us will never use. While you're struggling to put together a written paragraph everyone else is typing essays.

>>18135929
nobody cares but you

>>18135954
its funny how you view my honest opinion as hostile. Shows the truth can be very painful when confronted

>>18136016
>that's your first mistake. don't even bother, he can't appreciate it.
please teach me how to appreciate wasting my time learning a skill I'll never use

>>18136042
Thats perfectly fine. He can do that with other people that might actually be able to help him on /int/.

>>18136067
What I said was aimed at a self contained misconception, actually.

>>18136038
you have no use for shitposting on 4chan and yet here you are.

>>18136124
But watching stupid arguments on djt is one of my favorite sources of cheap entertainment.

>>18136142
You seem to be into the Japanese mindset, when reading posts here you must take them at face value.

>>18136250
>not so much about myself, but because of the ingrained belief that foreigners can't japanese
her finest work

>>18136394
How triggered are you by sound arguments haha
Writing in a useless skill, so deal with the fact this thread focuses on reading and listening.

>>18136410
>Writing in a useless skill
maybe, for you, but people write down Japanese to remember every stroke perfectly.

>>18136250
Can you actually speak the language or are you just autistically memorizing vocab and kanji?

>>18136417
They are free to do so. On /int/ with others treading water.

>>18136426
I feel so bad for your parents for having to deal with a child as autistic as you are.

>>18136420
i can do neither right now, but yes i am reading not ankidroning.

>>18136431
Get mad all you like, changes nothing.

>>18136483
You'll have an accent and won't be 100% perfect.

>>18136433
I wonder what his method was to learn 6000 kanji and all its readings

>>18136486
Losing an accent isn't impossible, and "perfect" is a silly concept in language, but it'd probably take decades to never make mistakes that stand out to natives.

>>18136483
Unless you were speaking it from a young age most likely you will have a give away or some retardation.

Half my family moved to america from asia when they were around 18, they're perfectly fluent in English now but you can still tell they make silly mistakes and have an accent. Same with friends from puerto rico, fluent but still obviously not american from birth.

Hypothetically if you were focusing your entire time on getting rid of any ticks you'd manage it, but most likely you reach a fluent enough level that people understand you, and that's good enough. Now you focus on more important things than learning nuances of a language that in practice don't really make a difference.

So what are your goals for learning Japanese?

>>18136558
Yuri manga, niche enough translations too often die and never get serialized in English. And an even large portion just never even get the translation effort started.

I'd also like to be fluent enough to vacation there by myself.

>>18136558
I just don't want to depend on other people's translations on the media I consume anymore.

>>18136602
>Especially since the non tourist areas tend to be better.

In what way? Have you even been there?

>>18136574
じゃ腕が鳴ると言う腕が鳴ってるね

>>18136644
>Live there.
Why? I can guarantee that you'll have a better life living in most 1st world western countries than Japan.

>>18136643
Glad to hear it, but I'm not particularly interested in spending hundreds to learn what I could for free, except more slowly.

How long have the majority of people here been studying? I assume a lot of people turn away after reaching a certain level.

>>18136653
Westerners are fucking nosy and annoying. I want to feel like I don't exist and just live in peace.
I also don't require much space.

>>18136566
Neither is ironing out the small mistakes that give you away as a foreigner, I'm just speaking hypothetically. That being said, personally I'd like to put some work into it. As a small counterpoint, I'm always appreciative when a foreigner has very understandable English as I feel I can relax more and still be understood, and I think it tends to cause natives to use more complicated language whether they intend to or not, so perhaps you'd get better conversations from it.

>>18136662
About 16 months.

>>18136671
Either that anon is talking out of his ass or he's saying to not eat at the literal "Americans welcome eat here cowboy" places.

>>18136676
Guess what? Your foreign face will give away the fact that you're a foreigner.

"Ironing out" your accent is a waste of time if everyone already understands you without any problems.

>>18136662
1 hour.

>>18136674
I don't plan on living in the countryside though.
And being stared at is much better than being suddenly stopped by some random chatty person.

>>18136686
Hypothetically that wouldn't be an issue with voice chats. Also, my small counterpoint is in spite of that, in my own experience with foreign English speakers. But I did agree that it's unimportant.

>weeb goes to Japan
>spends entire trip in Akiba
I get they like anime but that's such a waste

>>18136738
>I respect people who are just desperately trying to get their dick wet instead of people who are studying to enjoy a hobby
hobbies > sex

anyone who does anything that difficult for the sake of getting laid is absolutely pathetic and obviously never had sex before and thinks that by learning a new language they'll somehow have a better chance at it.

>>18136738
I'd rather respect someone who is learning something to better enjoy his hobby than someone who is spending thousands of hours just to get his dick wet which he can do by boning some random slut off Tinder.

>>18136766
>>18136767

>interacting with real girls and actually getting laid

vs

>reading about fictional characters getting laid

I should have expected this from /djt/ lmao

>>18136781
>>interacting with real girls and actually getting laid
Thinking that you need to learn Japanese to do this is exactly what I would have expected from /djt/ as well.

>>18136783
You learn the language to meet the good girls. You're stuck with dirty gaijin hunter pussy if you don't know any Japanese.

>>18136789

>>18136781
And why do you need Japanese for the first one? You're putting thousands of hours of effort into something you don't even need to do. At most you're under some misconception that by learning Japanese you'll get sex with a Japanese girl, but you're no more likely to score there than your native country.

>>18136791
>the good girls.
Oh man.

>>18136781
>DUDE SEX LMAO

>>18136793
No one is putting pussy on a pedestal my dude. I wouldn't be able to fuck'n'chuck like I do if I didn't study Chinese.

>>18136799
I don't think anyone actually learns Japanese just to get pussy. They learn it because they live in Japan. Meeting decent girls is a bonus.

>>18136803
>le red pill XD

>>18136662
4 months

>>18136692
Cool dude, I learned words instead of kanji. I can actually read stuff, its quite neat.

There were some days where I feel so unmotivated to keep studying. But once I started being able to read shit I've had nonstop motivation ever since. Anyone else have a similar experience?

>>18136900
Well you're retarded.

>hurr I respect them more if they learn it to get their dick wet then because they enjoy manga and anime and want to learn the native language!
>b-but only if they live there and are learning it anyways
fuck off you literal fucking retard.

>>18136767
This just in: having sex is a biological imperative, and is the only thing you exist for. The fact that you're able to live satisfied on fucking your hand to nothing but cartoons means YOU are the fuck up, not anybody else.

>>18136936
>if you aren't learning Japanese to get laid, you're a virgin
I think you've got this backwards, anon.

>>18136936
Learning Japanese does next to nothing to increase your chances of having sex.

>>18136933
Writing is also exposure. One that requires a deeper level of access to a certain information inside your brain.
Likewise, writing stuff down after years worth of input greatly solidifies what you learned.
Writing is basically having enough access to a certain information to make a copy of it elsewhere.

>>18137003
you don't really know something if you can't produce it without any external help.

>>18136958
My god I thought we humans evolved past the stone ages. If the only value you find in your life is fucking and having children.... I'm sorry you're beyond help. You're one step away from buying the rope when you realize how hollow your life will be after the pussy chase ends.

>>18137006
Then I guess I'm fine with never fitting into your custom definition of 'knowing' so long as I can read and listen comfortably.

>>18137015
That's not an argument. Fuck off.

>>18137015
>all I need are cartoons

made me lol, people in this thread actually believe this

>>18136993
Are Japanese women the only women you can physically have sex with?

If not, you're retarded.

>>18137015
we built massive civilizations, massive networks of intelligences, and your worth is on the fluid in your balls that half the world population has. please fuck off. you dont understand the value of what you have available to you or why it exists. you are none more than an ape

>>18137071
>artist
>business
literally cartoons

>>18137058
>great increases
debatable.
and still has nothing to do with learning japanese for the sake of sex.

I don't know why you're so desperate to pretend to be superior because you're learning a language you'll never use because you think one day you'll meet a japanese girl on the street and she'll have sex with you unlike all those evil normie girls you're used to.

>>18137049
Yeah, but it appears that even meido is out for New Years' Eve celebrations.

>>18137075
im sorry youre too shallow to recognize the difference between working hard for something and making a living off it vs fucking women.

you really are an ape

>>18137076
>>debatable.
You stubborn, retarded autist. It isn't debatable. You will be able to fuck more people if you're able to talk to the people. many times more people.

>>18137090
HAHAA Goteeeeeeeeemmmmm!! Sick burn bro! xD

>>18136985
Explains your perspective. Here's a tip: sex wont make you less miserable. Even if it's with one that meets all of your fetishes. Even if you marry them. But keep playing the BIOLOGICAL IMPERATIVE card to tell other people what their goals should be, since you can't fulfill yours.

>>18137093
and that's the end of that. Happy New Years everyone!!(in 4 min)

>>18136662
they turn away because anki decks and textbooks are shit.
if only they'd listened to steve..

>>18136789
>why would you actually want to talk to the people you meet?

>>18137199
>they turn away because anki decks and textbooks are shit.
Of course they are

>>18135525
If nothing else, knowing radicals will help you a lot when looking at kanji-for-ants tier text or when drawing kanji into Google Translate.

You can learn them all in a mere 2 weeks so it doesn't hurt to do it.

>>18137256
>forcing yourself to sit through anki reps instead of reading compelling content

>>18137311
Its not one or the other, brainlet

Last thread some anon said learning through production was harmful or something. Can someone spoon feed me on what that means.

>>18137328
it means he read a single meme website that told him that trying to produce too early will ingrain "bad habits" that will "take decades to unlearn" despite the fact that there's no proof for this. expect it to be linked.

>>18137254
I fully endorse meeting Japanese people and speaking Japanese with them, please consider context.

>>18137311
>next chapter: already giving up!?
i died

>>18137337
>it isn't tested on kanken either
Wiki says level 3 and beyond tests "special and unusual readings" but I'll take your word for it if you've done it.

>>18137256
How many victims has she claimed this year?

>>18137369
Not many. Most people would have decided to quit last year.

https://youtu.be/FknmUij6ZIk

>>18137367
There are example tests for every level. "Special and unnusual readings" could refer to any nonstandart reading of a word.

>>18137032
Do you consider popping out future slaves "contributing"? I mean that's definitely contributing, but not to the humanity, just the banking system. Whatever makes you happy, I guess.

>>18137527
"Future slaves" lol. Dumb commie.

Where do you find RAW mangos? I'm looking for one but all the rars are behind some shortened link tier jew/virus shit and paid download websites or dead torrents

>>18137758
If it's not on nyaa, it's probably not on animebytes either, meaning you're stuck with those blogs which upload to dodgy filehosts that only let you download one thing every 3 hours.

1) wake up
2) DJT is a nuclear hellscape
Who the fuck let all these normies onto /jp/? God damn it.

>>18138278
>normies

>>18138287
Yes anon, you're very mature and intellectual.

>>18138287
てててててててててててててててってなに

>>18138288
Thanks for your input to the thread newfag, now get out

>>18138303
I've been here for much longer than you.

>>18137758
I buy them

>>18138354
http://a-plus.auhw.ac.jp/modules/xoonips/download.php?id=AA11913394-00070002-0241

Planning a trip to Japan around summer.

Aside from the regular tourist stuff, what are some things you can only do when you know Japanese well enough?

>>18138379
I write them next to each other and try to recognize the differences.

>>18138379
What I do is I write the new kanji and the old word I remembered both on my browser and look at their difference. After I know the difference it takes a few tries for me to remember not to instantly hit answer because I thought it's the word I already know. Eventually I remember "oh yeah this is the one where I have to keep a look out for one additional line", I feel really slow and stupid though. I'm a brainlet and really slow at learning though

>>18138379
this issue evaporates once you write

>>18138363
Here's my favorite:
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/books/principles_and_practice.pdf

Explanation for the scientifically illiterate:

- Forced production means that the learner needs to produce statements that they don't know all the rules for producing yet (be it grammar, word choice, etc)
- If they already knew the correct way to produce it, it would by definition not be forced
- When the learner doesn't know all the rules, they have to substitute synthetic rules that are somehow based on their understanding of their first language (L1) even if they're not lifted directly from their L1
- It's not at all clear that this is a good thing. In fact, it seems to cause individual rule to be acquired incorrectly. There are legions of ESLs in America who have used English on a daily basis for at least ten years that sill say things like "Tim go to work" instead of "Tim goes to work". This can only be explained by their learning method harming their acquisition, or adults being worse at second-language acquisition than children. We know that the second possibility is false, so it must be the first. When you study individual ESLs, the ones that have the most ingrained grammatical mistakes are the ones where either they don't consume enough input every day, or their early language instruction involved forced production and insufficient input.

"Forced production is harmful" is a statement about language teaching.

>>18138406
no it doesn't
t. wrote for three months and it didn't help

>>18138406
>>18138406
>>18138396
>>18138399
thanks guys and a happy new year.

>>18138379
There are no kanjis that have similar meanings and look alike if we're not talking about old\variative forms, since it doesn't change shit if you won't differentiate those.

>>18138414
>>18138413
Ive been writing for 4 months and my retention of kanji is drastically higher than pure review grinding

>>18138422
That doesn't prove anything. You could have read for 4 months instead and for all you know you would have made more progress.

>>18138433
>It proves that writing helped me more than pure reviews
It does imply it. I think that >>18138379 would get a lot more from your advice if you explained why you thought writing was a good idea in your original post. Who knows, maybe they've seen "write more lol" a million times already, tried it, and it didn't work, but maybe knowing exactly how writing helped you and what you did to make it work would convince them and keep you from looking like a loonie.

>guy asks for help in something
>a few people reply with a solution that worked for them
>"nuh uh show scientific, peer reviewed proof or shut up"
Some of you seriously need to consider suicide.

>>18138450
yeah, you

>>18138467
>If you don't want to learn how to write, you don't want to learn Japanese properly
People keep saying this, but it isn't true. Even the typical Japanese is bad at writing. Please do not insert random "no true scotsman" bullshit into your ideology.

>>18138467
>I fell for the no-writing meme years ago and gave up on the language because retention was impossible. I picked it up again with writing and my growth has exploded.

Oh, okay, so you're a false beginner. Nothing you have to say about your personal experience is worth anything at all. Eat a dick.

>>18138480
>Whats with the early morning /djt/? It's full of angry spergelords.
I take it you missed the nuclear argument that drive this thread to Page 6.

>>18138484
I didn't, now fuck off.

>>18138480
>I remembered at best like 20 kanji from 5 years ago.
It doesn't matter what you think you remember. If you did anything other than dick around in Anki then you automatically have a leg up over where you were when you started.

>Yes it is. It's a language with written form. It's not proper to ignore it no matter how you phrase it.
Even for most of the history of literacy, most people didn't know how to write, just read.

>It's just not the most important.
Handwriting is beyond "not the most important". It's entirely unnecessary unless it's a skill that you know that you in particular are going to need. Nobody produces long amounts of text by hand anymore. All substantial "writing" is typing. Period. No buts.

>>18138494
it's not hyphenated

>>18138500
>That's literally exactly what I said I did.
Then you weren't learning Japanese. Why did you bring it up? Is your head OK?

>>18138467
>If you don't want to learn how to write, you don't want to learn Japanese properly
What do you mean by learning properly? Japanese has two writing systems that are interchangeable to a certain extent, if you really need to write something by hand you could just do it in hiragana. Trust me, any native speaker will understand.

>>18138480
>>18138413
>>18138403
>>18138406
>>18138481
More than writing, I personally think the main thing is being able to visualize the Kanji
Writing is only a tool to check if you've learnt the Kanji's shape correctly, it doesn't help me remember Kanji any better. Having a clear image in my head is what matters the most.

>>18138517
Did you?

>>18138521
yeah

>>18138521
>Writing is only a tool to check if you've learnt the Kanji's shape correctly, it doesn't help me remember Kanji any better.
>even if I dont plan to write on paper ever its helping me retain it

>>18138504
Why would I need to know exactly how kanjis for words like 髑髏 and 襤褸 look if they always show up in this pairs? You are weighting recognition of individual kanji too much when it actually context that makes main difference in recognition.

>>18138524
i use it the same way and it works for me, what do you not understand?

I can recognize 横 and 構 from writing them, otherwise I'd frequently mess up the bottom radical or the number of strokes in the top.

>>18138535
lmao he thinks I ever said anything about isolated kanji

stay mad, passive aggressive autist

>>18138544
whenever someone talks about writing practice they mean isolated kanji writing practice 100% of the time

>>18138546
unless it's about writing the kana of course

>>18138542
good for you
>>18138546
i write it during vocabulary

Reminder that spending lots of time on inefficient learning techniques is only a valid choice if the slow pace is what's keeping you from quitting entirely.

>>18138535
I don't understand these people. We aren't looking for shit like a difference in one or two strokes while reading. They can copypaste any japanese text they can read in word and set a minimal letter size to ascertain it.

Maybe you guys should actually answer peoples questions about how to fix their issues instead of jump down people replying to them for telling them something wrong, you useless fucks.

>>18138509
I don't know. The thing is it doesn't seem to have any positive effects whatsoever on my own retention.
Speaking from my experience (and as such might very well be utter bullshit) I don't think learning via writing reinforces your "understanding" of kanji. Just like learning math formula is all things considered much harder than having a real understanding of the subject and won't do you any good at the end of the day.

>>18138525
You wouldn't be able to write (which I know isn't a problem at all to some [most?] people, but still. I personally find it important), and you can't apply this logic to each and every word in existence. It can also help a lot for a bunch of 人名用漢字

>>18138569
Fuck that, it's way better to be a passive agressive prick.

持つ and 待つ are my biggest nightmare, wasn't enough that they're nearly indistinguishable, but the readings have to be as close.

>>18138582

>>18138554
What is in your opining inefficient learning techniques？

>>18138598
What is in your opinion, the most effective learning techniques, and if the answer is reading when do you think you should start reading and what should you start reading。 What did you start with?

>>18138582
When I was in university my japanese teacher explained that 待 is the crossing next to a temple where you wait for your friends.

>>18138624
Didn't even notice that post. I genuinely have trouble with them.

>>18138629
the faq posted earlier actually had a nice mnemonic in one of the answers by chance

>>18138694
Well, you could guess from the test name that it tests your kanji ability (handwriting is taken for granted).

>>18138738
If you can't read such a simple sentence I'll do it for you. The question is about hiw method of studying kanjis.

>>18138694
he still has obvious gaijin japanese

はようーDJT
あけおめ

これから仕事に行きます！明日は休日から今日は頑張るぞい！

>>18138450
That was a spooky movie, I thought it felt like it could have done more though.

おともだちぞーんはなに

>>18139304
>ぞーん

>READ THE GUIDE BEFORE ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS:
I tried to find the answer for my question, but am I using the Core 2k/6k deck wrong? I am really really struggling with vocabulary because I can't recall how to say/read the Kanji.

Then I tried to use another 2K deck, and it has the furigana read to me without showing me the answer.

When you started learning vocabulary, did you use furigana? When did you turn it off? I am very familiar with Kanji, but not how to pronounce them, just the meanings.

For example, in my picture I only am shown the word, not voiced how it is read. I am having trouble recalling that in this case 入 will be い. Should I have the furigana read to me before showing me the answer?

Thank you ahead of time.

>>18139371
That might be counter productive. You don't have furigana in the real world. It's even advised to hide furigana.

How are you supposed to read it when the furigana doesn't match the kanji? I mean what does the character vocalise and how would it be expressed if it was spoken

>>18139371
>I can't recall how to say/read the Kanji
I mean that's half of what you're supposed to memorize
Adding furigana won't help you. Only time and effort.

>>18139400
vocalization: なか
meaning: intravaginal

>>18139382
>>18139397
>>18139401
>>18139389
Thanks for the response. I will probably set it to 15 new words, or is that too low? I'm trying not to make myself hate Japanese. Vocab in this 2k/6k deck is the one thing I've found not fun so far.

>>18139491
5 is life support rate, values from 15 to 30 are normal

Is following KKLC at the same time as doing vocab (core2k) a good idea?

>>18139858
What's true retention people talk about?

>>18139895
it's an anki addon that adds some stats that you can actually compare between people

Been hearing that it's really bad to even consider Furigana because it will cause you to rely on them too much. Is this true anons? Or would it be okay to use them to just recognize them at first?

How proficient are you all anons right now? I'm pretty early on and can currently only read through Yotsuba without looking anything up. Took me about a year because I was really lazily studying.

>>18140069
you have better japanese than most of the people that post here

>>18140103
>Like /r/LearnJapanese is filled with N1-3 level experts
You poor soul, believing such things...

>>18140103
>Is Yotsuba really that good? Why is it always recommended?
Simple language and content, enjoyable, and also good.

>>18140103
>Like /r/LearnJapanese is filled with N1-3 level experts

I want to know how many of those people actually read or use the language. Seems like they have a lot of 'academic' experts.

>>18140106
What do you mean? Whenever I have a question they'd answer really quickly and as far as I know accurately.

>>18140119
you mean because they parrot textbooks in general (not just grammar ones)

>>18140103
>/r/LearnJapanese is filled with N1-3 level experts.
You mean the same experts who claim all women have to use "あたし" instead of "わたし" which is according to them "only used by men"?

>>18140133
It's 100% completely normal for women to use わたし. In fact if men use わたし in casual contexts they sound a little metrosexual, unless they have a reason to be presenting themselves as a professional or something like that.

>>18140069
I've only just started for the most part. Already knew hiragana/katakana, just finishing Tae Kim's basic grammar while doing core6k.

>>18140134
>and struggling to read manga, taking at least a week per volume.
the best part is that was for a manga that has full furigana

>>18140138
>they sound a little metrosexual
Really? I have relatives in Japan and all the men use わたし.

>>18140138
What should men use then? I always thought Watashi was generally the catch all word for anyone to use in any context to not be offensive.

>>18140144
>in casual contexts

>>18140144
It's real enough for bodyswapping stories to make a joke out of when girls in guy's bodies say わたし because they don't know what pronoun he uses and everyone is stunned, prompting the girl to go through every possible pronoun to cover it up like they're making a joke.

>>18140150
Almost everyone uses 俺 or 僕.

>>18140150
when in doubt use 自分

>>18140158
get ready to sound like a wannabe mountain hermit

>>18140154
>>18140138
t. "I watched 君の名は yesterday"

>>18140158
>>18140154
You're all talking about casual contexts right? If it's a formal introduction or some shit Watashi is the go to right?

>>18140163
Never saw it. You don't know Japanese.

>>18140164
Yes.

What's it like learning Japanese in college/uni?

>>18140172
slow, boring, and being forced to interact with manwhales

>>18140161
>>18140165
t. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ2_O9PlKTo

>>18140176
I too learned about this terrible channel from mattvsjapan.

Japanese has no personal pronouns. Just use この者 when you refer to yourself.

>>18140188
>not 某
Casual.

>>18140172
VERY slow e.g. whole semester for genki or even half of genki.

>>18140211
looks terrible

>>18140215
I'd at least want to hear an opinion from someone that's tried it out already

>>18140233
reading more and continuing nofap

>>18140233
New years resolutions are shit and increase the chance that you quit something.

>>18140134
A week? What the fuck? The guy is clearly not ready for manga then. He needs a lot more reps.

>>18140283
these kinda people spend all their time 'learning' and never doing

おはようおにいちゃん

きよくただしくかわいく

>>18140292
わかんない

>>18140295
I like when they obsess about grammar guides and try to deconstruct and translate every sentence.

Has anyone used Wanikani? I tried the free trial and it seems alright so far but is it worth it? Has anyone used it for a long period of time?

>>18140343
i reviewed 10 radicals and then it told me to wait for 5 days. then i did it again and now i cant review for 13 days. maybe im doing something wrong but i dont get it. id rather use anki.

>>18140343
I reached level 60.
It's alright, but nothing special.
By the end I had a lot of problems with it.

Levels 35+ are where you start to relearn Kanji from level 10 as radicals just to slow you down more, very annoying.
I got a lifetime membership when it was still in beta though so can't complain about getting ripped off.

What benefit aside from the goal post of having the n1 give you?

>>18140366
Your employer will send you to lots of Japanese trips. Maybe? Hopefully

>>18140366
Bragging rights, usually a requirement for being hired by a Japanese company

I just realized that speedrunning commentary is close to ideal commentary. The speakers are trying to be understood, the subject matter is technical but casual, there's a diverse cast of speaking styles, voices, and idiolects, you're likely to be able to understand what they're talking about even if you miss 50% of the words, and they don't talk like characters.

>>18140383
close to ideal listening practice*

おなかすいた

ほっとけーきたべたい

>>18140366
Depends on if it's useful for your resume. It would add nothing to my resume so I haven't bothered with any JLPT tests. Your circumstances might be different though.

>>18140405
RTA In Japan has a lot of vods. They're trying to be like AGDQ production-wise so they have commentary.

>>18140417
Ah yes, I rember watching an AGDQ restream in Japanese commentary last year.

>>18134495
What does ruby mean

>>18140489
do you have examples

>>18140500
Sorry, I meant do you have pictures with it, when I google "ruby language" unsurprisingly only programming stuff comes up

>>18140514
"ruby text"

>>18140469
It's the normal は.

>聞いてはいる

Sounds like "I did hear it (but)". Remember は has a contrasting implication.

>>18140679
this image but unironically and without the obesity

So Rikaisama is dead yeah?
What are the alternatives so far?

>>18140743
yomichan

>>18140766
Are there any downsides compared to Rikaisama?
Any features missing?

>>18140814
I think there's some anki import or something missing but I don't use anki myself so I don't know the details

>>18140814
I dunno how Rikaisama behaves but if it's the same as Rikaichan than you won't miss anything. Furigana Inserter being dead is a real blow though.

What's your studying routine anons? Mine is a rep before a meal with a free day on Sundays.

>>18140885
VNs when I feel like it

>>18140885
you skip a day of reps?

Does anyone know how it works when you cap your reviews?

Let's say I cap my reviews at 250, but I normally have to do 255 reviews that day.
Are these 5 leftover words (that I was supposed to review on that day) the the first in the line on the following day?

But that would mean that words I forgot recently would be placed at the end of the line and this would make it harder to learn those.
Wouldn't that stop me from learning and only further increase the amount of reviews?

>>18140927
it either does the ones that have been waiting the longest or the ones that are more overdue, don't remember which

>>18139371
Turn on the voices that say the word's pronunciation. And you should also say what you say the word's pronunciation out loud before you answer. If you get it wrong, say the correct pronunciation before moving on to the next card.

>>18140937
aren't those things the same thing?

>>18140103
>Like /r/LearnJapanese is filled with N1-3 level experts.
Is this true? I know the a lot of them are N1 level because of how detailed they answered questions but a majority?

Help me out, 皆さん.
I started taking Japanese in college this semester and the way it's taught seems to be inefficient. We use a conventional textbook (Minna no Nihongo) and aren't taught any Kanji (and aren't expected to know them either). Everything is written in Furigana.
I do want to learn kanji (or rather the words along with the kanji) though. Is it a good idea to pick up Kodansha and study the text book vocab with kanji on the side (as opposed to just learning the reading in Hiragana)?

>>18141124
read the guide before asking questions

>>18141358
it might look good on your resume depending on what your career aspirations are, or you might meet people and make valuable friends and love interests, but from a learning perspective you should be far ahead of the class if you've been diligently studying on your own for 1.5 years.

How long would it take to be able to import DQXI and play without turning my head to a dictionary every other second?

>>18139653
>For the KKLC anki deck, only do production cards (ie keyword ---> kanji).
While this is essentially what I'm doing, the KKLC deck I saw didn't address the issue of duplicate or very similar keywords. Did I look at the wrong one, or do you have a strategy for this?

I've been adding example words in kana to the front of cards with similar or duplicate keywords, and a lot of the time it works (though I'm also adding the example words to my vocab and it's about as difficult as frequency-based word lists were and distracting from my mined vocab list, which I'm not very happy with), but then there's shit like 坐、座 and 州、洲 (the latter pair is slightly better) where distinguishing them based on example vocabulary is difficult and I have to rely on idiotic card fronts like "sit but not seat". Which isn't a problem right now, but considering I'm only a bit past the 1/3 mark, it seems like this is going to get worse.

>>18141426
Sounds about right. At year 4 currently and I'm only needing the dictionary every couple paragraphs now.
>>18141448
It's only Weeb if you make your goal only vidya and anime. Japan has plenty more interesting media then just those two.

On another note
>>18141358
Do it for the people you'll meet. Big chunk are going to be weebs but if you see a non weeb or a hafu there try to be buddies with em. They're likely the serious ones and nothing makes you more motivated then having a study buddy.

>>18141467
No accurate resource will ever solve the "issue" of duplicate or very similar keywords. Solving that issue requires using inaccurate keywords.

Am I doing something wrong anons or can I continue?
>Memorized all Kana as second nature.
Then I do the core 2k/6k daily in the morning and again before bed along with reading some Yotsuba and Dragon Ball.

Along with all that I'm studying the grammar off the textbooks listed in the guide.

Is there anything else I can do?

>>18141495
Either not doing production, or manually adding personal hints to the front of any trouble cards.

Can anyone tell me where I can download the EPwing dictionary. The guide won't post it on there.

>>18141546
You should be able to read without a dictionary before that if you study hard. You might not know every word, but it's not much different from reading books in your native language.

>>18141485
Don't forget watching anime daily

>>18141277
Hey I appreciate it.

>>18142035
Testing yourself to recall kanji (or vocab, I suppose) from memory rather than seeing the kanji and recognizing what it is (recognition)

>>18142046
How else are you suppose to do it?

>>18142136
yes. in theory cloze is supposed to be a form of controlled production, but in flashcards it turns into recognizing the cloze sentence. this is probably why some people call cloze cards pseudoscience.

>>18142092
>ka on the front and require you to remember the kana.
Do people actually study like this?

>>18142038
It's unfortunate that this thread has become garbage, since the /djt/ thread on /int/ is practically dead and the Japanese thread there constantly gets spammed as well. It's getting to the point where there's really no place to discuss Japanese.

>>18142230
Isn't /r/LearnJapanese good?

>>18141750
No shit Sherlock. The real thread actually discussing the language with actual native is over on /int/. This /jp/ version was always a containment offshoot to isolate the people shitting up the real DJT that the mods took from /a/ and put on /int/, 4chan's language learning board. Go there, or stay here and enjoy the reddit tier blogposting.

>>18142230
I'll stick around regardless because I feel somewhat indebted to DJT, but eh.

Probably off topic, but someone explain this meme I keep seeing when someone mentions learning Japanese? Isn't she the same girl in the guide?

>>18142269
>>18142294
Can you go back to your /int/ thread and stop coming here?

>>18142358
Did I hit a nerve? I was simply answering people's inquiries, and this isn't your thread, so fuck off back to your reddit safespace if you're triggered so much.

>>18142294
You're telling me that those 4chan threads teach me enough Japanese to justify becoming a plebbit-tier crossboarding scum? I don't think djt is the right place for you newfriend. Please go back to the superior thread I'll never know about and never return.

>>18142409
>>18142409
I use both this thread and the one on /int/, like a lot of people. Mostly because I like discussing the language with people and answering questions. But I'm getting sick of people stumbling on this thread expecting answers to their questions, only to get snide remarks and blogposting about cartoons. This thread should change its header, since it doesn't seem to hold itself to the mandate of being about language learning. You smug assholes keep hating the newcomers learning the language anyway, so it would let you have your own safespace without any triggers making you sperg out. Have your cartoon thread here, and come to the /int/ DJT if you ever feel like actually discussing the language.

>>18142294
>/jp/'s DJT is specifically geared towards blogposting about watching japanese cartoons and reading comic books

That's why the /a/ DJT was abolished. We should avoid that pitfall.

>>18142437
If you ask questions that the guide will answer, you will get people shitting on you or telling you to read the guide. Asking if paid copies of Anki on websites are good will get similiar responses

Also asking questions is fine but it doesn't entitle you to get an answer you will like or an answer at all

>>18142443
It was abolished because the mods over at /a/ didn't want to moderate the threads anymore

do not respond to raids, report and ignore them

>>18142432
Stop fucking replying to that retard. He's been shitting up /djt/ this entire thread. Fucking report him and move on.

>>18142543
It's not just one person. Turns out that people outside the beginner range get little disappointed when they can't even discuss Japanese here anymore, and the two threads on /int/ are ruined for the aforementioned reasons.

>>18142526
Because they didn't moderate the thread at all so people would go on thread long rants about off-topic shit. Atleast here the mods give out some bans and delete posts that are causing more off-topic posting

>>18141750
It sucked all year idk what you mean. What gave you the impression this was a learning resource? I thought this was the djt guide thread where we discuss the guide and various media and learning resources. The guide teaches you how to get your foot in the door and literally doesn't go beyond telling you to get some basic vocab under your belt, read a grammar guide or two, and then start reading things that interest you. The rest, including whether you learn Japanese, is up to you.

>>18142543
Again, stop policing what people discuss in this thread. I'm talking about making this thread better for language learning, and that's a lot more on topic in DJT than whatever you're doing. Stop being some internet tough guy, and I don't see how us discussing this subject for the past 30 minutes is ''shitting up the whole thread''. If you're this sensitive, maybe this isn't the place for you.

>>18142571
Nobody is stopping you from starting a discussion about Japanese but instead of doing so you are crying about irrelevant shit

15 post discussion about what それじゃあ、ね means, with nobody knowing japanese well enough to give a certain correct answer but a fucking native
RTK bootlicking
unironic new years resolutioners
people posting broken japanese and other people learning from it
people unironically crossposting things that have nothing to do with learning japanese from /pol/ and having elaborate discussions about them
people responding to "what does this sentence mean" with mistranslations that remain uncorrected for the rest of the thread
four replies to a question about what it means when a sentence with a direct object has no verb, all of which are wrong

>>18142572
Discussing how to better help language learners IS on topic on this thread. This isn't the VN thread, so people posting about that should be the ones getting deleted and booted off this general. You idiots have been fucking DJT up long enough and people are clearly getting fed up with your shit.

At the very least, this faggot is right in that it would be better for everyone if this thread dropped the DJT name. Out of curiosity, though, I have a few questions for everyone involved in this conversation: what are you currently reading? What was your latest J-CAT or JLPT score? How long have you been studying for?

>>18142583
So discussing how we need to maybe help people with the language a but differently is ''meta'' and off-limits in a language learning thread? Yet posting about VNs is on-topic and shouldn't be reported and sent to the VN thread? You delusional assholes are ruining this general, fuck off. We were always able to discuss what this thread was about, either on /a/ and on /int/. It's not being meta and off-topic, in fact it's how the fucking guide got to be what it is today.

Complaining about how the people around you are bad and how a different place is better is not an attempt to help anyone, no matter what logical gymnastics you attempt to use to justify it. It's narcissistic social masturbation. Keep it in your head.

>>18142563
>every question that isn't N1 level gets dry ''read more''
That's not true at all. I'm sorry you are unable to learn Japanese

>>18142595
>the material you are using to learn Japanese is off-topic
Nothing wrong with short discussions about VNs, manga or anime. It helps others find something interesting to study with or ask questions about the difficulty of them

/int/ is for people who don't want any fun to be allowed

>>18142616
You mean that place where they have elaborate off-topic discussions about politically charged conspiracy theories, without a hint that they know that they're playing it for laughs?

>>18142636
you just responded to a random post that didn't have anything to do with you, and dumped your entire mental status on them. you also seem very aggressive, so i'm pretty sure the gatekeeper is you.

New year's resolution fag here: I've wanted to learn Japanese for years and have tried and given up several times, but this time I'm gonna do it for real. I was planning on powering through KKLC while working through core2k, then read Tae Kim, then load up my kindle with easy looking books from the library and start reading. Does this sound like a reasonable approach? Any recommendations? In the past I tried shit like memrise and burned out.

>>18142651
Download every raw manga with furigana you can find and try to read them every day. Skip everything that doesn't directly help you with reading. Once you get to a level where your brain has done basic rewiring to get accustomed to Japanese, THEN you can look for meme resources to make individual parts of the learning process faster. Otherwise you're going to waste your resolution motivation on useless bullshit that doesn't directly teach you Japanese.

>>18142581
>>18142583
Yes, let me start a discussion and then have it completely ignored as people keep blogposting their current anki learning strategies. There's no quality control, and what people post that would normally be responded with "READ THE FUCKING GUIDE", are actually being responded with hospitality.
You can't even have intermediate/advanced discussion, or ask a question in general, since most of the upper-level learners left already because of this shit.

>>18142616
>Nothing wrong with short discussions about VNs, manga or anime.
I'm fine with it to a certain point, but now a few gatekeepers are reporting people discussing how the thread is towards language learning for being meta and off-topic even though discussing such matters helped craft the guide in the OP. This makes the thread pretty much a VN thread with sometimes a few japanese questions sprinkled in, which isn't what this general is about.
>/int/ is for people who don't want any fun to be allowed
/int/ isn't the place where 2-3 people are mass reporting anything language related to hell, to ultimately have the mods delete 2 hour long conversations.

>>18142636
>I'm saying this thread needs to go back to being more helpful, comparing it to better, more useful iterations like the DJT on /a/ and /int/
I don't know what alternative reality you came from but pic related is me right now

>>18142651
You don't need to do all of KKLC, just enough to get you seeing radicals and kanji as an assemblage of parts rather line random lines. Otherwise it's a fine plan, language learning is a flexible journey that will evolve with you.

>>18142657
So just trying and brute force it before learning any grammar, vocab, etc?

>>18142651
>New year's resolution fag here
Why do you need an arbitrary date to convince yourself to learn Japanese? Do you actually want to learn it? If yes, why did you make several failed attempts? To answer your question, yes, that sounds good if you do stick with it.

>>18142668

>>18142673
Real life commitments and the study methods everyone pushed really didn't click with me

>>18142681

>>18142651
Don't ignore listening practice, it takes time to get good at and is better started early. Even anime with English subs will help you get used to Japanese and as you learn words you will start being able to pick them out as they are being said.

For reading and listening, a big motivator is to use material you actually WANT to read/listen instead of picking some childrens book because it's easier

>>18142683
(it keeps going)

>>18142680
KKLC is probably one of the most boring things I've ever done. Around the 1k mark I didn't feel I was getting as much out of it so I decided the time spent on it and the anki reps was better allocated to reading more and vocab flashcards.

>>18142588
>four replies to a question about what it means when a sentence with a direct object has no verb, all of which are wrong
A direct object with no verb, is an ellipsis of the implied verb, which all 4 of the posts answered in some way. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

>>18142709
If you're not a mod: fuck off, outsider.
If you're a mod: end your position, cancerous piece of shit.

>>18142709
Separating anime and manga from other learning options like VNs, LNs, dramas, movies, etc is an incredibly arbitrary distinction

>>18142724
Drawing the line at live action makes sense. Drawing it anywhere else, like "these happened to almost get big in the west once (anime and manga)", is completely arbitrary, yes. There's no fundamental difference between anime/manga and other media with cartoon characters that does not also exist between anime and manga themselves.

>>18142709
Stop trying to gatekeep what I can post about

>>18142704
I've often seen 2 hour long conversation with many (5-10) anons discussing a subject which obviously interest people, and the whole thing getting deleted after only 1 or 2 posts looking like these:
>>18142604
>>18142543
>>18142532
who is/are the gatekeeping idiots I've been referring to. Apparently the mods think 10 anons discussing a subject related to this general is worthy of annihilation is worthy of deletion because it trigger 2-3 snowflakes, as if this thread belongs to them.

Meta on /qa/ only.

Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc) on the imageboards may result in post deletion and a ban.

>>18142600
>>18142744
I'm not reading anything, JCAT was 251 a few years ago and I don't know how long I've been "studying"

Happy now?

>>18142709
Look at the replies you got to your bullshit. It baffles me how the mods keep siding with you gatekeeping assholes when it's obvious that people here don't want any of it. People wanting to discuss language learning for language learning's sake aren't the gatekeepers, they're actually respecting the subject matter stated in the OP. You people trying to funnel and restrict all conversation to your personal cartoon watching hobbies is stifling and isn't what anons what DJT to be.

>>18142749
I expect nothing less than a breakdown of all common possibilities and a list of references to academic analyses of the grammar at hand.

>>18142754
You are in the wrong place for what you want. You don't go to a supermarket and start bitching about them not selling you super cars

>>18142752
Yeah, but only because I recognize you.

why is it that since I started learning japanese, my interest in manga/anime has been steadily going downhill ?

>>18142766
You don't recognize them. You think they're me. They're not me.

>>18142768
Because it's not exotic anymore. Time to start consuming doujinshi every day.

>>18142787
Is that what they call me now?

>>18142788
I don't go to that thread. Don't know what you expect.

>>18142768
Everyone grows out of watching cartoons, besides a few manchildren gatekeeping this thread.

>>18142774
>muh only one or two people are controlling the whole thread
Just fucking stop already. At this point I think you are just trolling which is a bannable

>>18142799
x is a bannable
o is bannable
o is a bannable offense

>>18142794
I highly doubt I've grown out of something I've enjoyed for most of my life in the last 4 months or so

>>18142768
Spend a week or two reading/trying to read a shitty VN. After that, manga will seem incredibly interesting

>>18142810
this

>>18142800
Yes you caught me changing my mind about what I was going to type mid sentence and then not reading it to spot mistakes

>>18142805
It does happen, even more so when you replace one hobby with one that's more satisfying and results in higher self worth like learning a language. It doesn't make you hate what you previously loved, but it does feel more like a waste of time compared to the new, more worthwhile activities you develop.

>>18142817
That I did. I hope you worry all night about whether I think you're retarded or just made an honest mistake. But at the end of the day, it's okay. Everyone is retarded.

Hhahahahaahah just wondering how long you have had aids in the ass faggots? Did you know that this isn't the unicorn of 4chan? We have the right to ignore faggots with good, bad, or leading questions or comments and to tell them to fuck off accordingly as any other thread here.
Fuck off all of you
Also, to those who keep implying mods and jani need to police these guys: you also need to fuck off because 4chan is for adults and the mods and jani don't get paid to delete assholes comments and getting 30 reports is ANNOYING for them and makes them want to remove the thread and be rid of a headache.

>>18142834
self moderation has literally never worked

>>18141410
It's very easy from what I've seen. Around 10k words and every grammar point from all jlpt levels will do.

I know I'm probably a slowpoke for this but on the off chance that even one person benefits: on exhentai's settings tab you can set it to only show content in the Japanese language!

>>18143009
can attest that this is an infallible study method

Why does the alternative guide recommend you read a grammar guide quickly?

Finished Mayuri's route in Flyable Heart. This is the first time I've read a VN in Japanese and I think I might have missed some things near the end when I could sense that I was getting close to the conclusion. I intend to finish the other routes before moving onto a different game, I guess.

Also, how many new cards do you guys add a day? I've created and deleted several anki decks over my studying, but my current one has about 3000 cards (all mined) marked mature. Does anyone have experience adding a larger number of cards (~50) without burning out?

>>18143120
>Does anyone have experience adding a larger number of cards (~50) without burning out
All the time. Just find what is appropriate to you.

>>18142796
Dunno about that. I used to enjoy JRPGs but nowadays they bore me to death. Even the classics everyone loves so much.

>>18143119
Because grammar is your framework and without it it's just a bunch of words you can't put into relation.

Any good recommendations for Japanese cooking channels?

I got papadesuyo and peaceful cuisine, but ideally I'd like someone who talks a lot during the cooking so I can practice listening.

>>18143243
If you can handle the added reviews for the next 10 days, too, I don't see the problem.

>>18143243
How many do you add per day already?

>>18143305
I started with the default 20 and got a bit overwhelmed around a week in so I lowered it to 10 but I think I've started getting my footing finally.

>>18143257
alright cool

>>18143440
Thank you.
Didn't know the book was necessary as well.

>>18142248
I'm going to actually answer beyond >reddit is shit.
I don't think it's good for a bunch of reasons.
First, they're giant genki shills. Genki is the best thing ever that everyone needs. I think some people realise that genki isn't great, but it's still recommended everywhere because there are so many stupid people that can't make a self study plan for themselves.
Second, they're (or at least the mods are) moralfags. They get all butthurt if you advocate pirating things and you'll get banned for sharing links to pdfs. But somehow links to anime streaming sites are okay.
Third, not everyone is like this, but there are a much higher amount of meme learners who think they can learn from an app, or from some qt girl on Youtube or from only speaking, than there are here.
Last, they wait too long to start reading Japanese. People there seem to often go with their class's/genki's pace or only do anki/memrise/insert meme method and don't practise reading. Then they're surprised that they can do shit since they didn't just jump in with a dictionary like the guide here says. I saw someone arguing that the most new anki cards someone should do a day is 5 because the brain has trouble remembering more than that. The other number that he thought was 'way too much' was 20.

How many new kanji a day should I be aiming to learn with the 2k/6k deck?