/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Hakurei Shrine in HSiFS. I'm not sure why, it's just a lot of fun.

>>18118055
What 2hu is this?

Also, is it possible to get 2hu games working on a raspberry pi? I recently set up a retropie and would like to try it.

What's the best way to practice if you're awful at the game?

>>18118055
IN stage 4. It has a very exciting feeling when I'm playing it and I think it builds up nicely to the encounter with Reimu/Marisa.

>>18118183
Play tons of stage/spell practice. There are also various tools such as SpoilerAL, practice patches and boss rush patches which can make your practice more efficient. You should be able to find them just by googling those terms.

Does anyone else find the clutter in HSiFS really bothering?

>>18118159
PoDD

Short answer: no
Long answer: if you know your way around then yes but its going to run like shit and it's still an emulator at the end of the day

>>18118367
What do you mean?

Posting progress from >>17932625
Are you guys happy with your touhou progress this year?
December was really nice. 2017 was really nice as a whole to me!
I won't be able to to play until 2018 so this is as far as my progress goes in 2017.

>>18118791
My 1cc count went from 1 to 8 and 3 (soon to be 4) extras. What do you think?

>>18118791
First clear: September 23, EoSD ReimuB Normal
Most recent clear: December 17, HSiFS ReimuSm Normal
I think this is pretty decent for 4 months, but I couldn't reach my goal for 2017 after all (still have 5 extra stages left). Then again, I barely played any Touhou this month...
Next year, I'd like to clear some games on Hard.

>>18118791
Given I've played only half a year, I'm pretty happy that I'm getting the hang of it. Hoping to hit hard mode before 2019.

Stage 4 of Subterranean Animism is the ideal Touhou stage. It just hits all the right notes for me. Beautiful music, good patterns, good progression, and one of the best bosses in the series.

>>18118791
December was nice, indeed.

>>18118969
>>18118911
I'm new to the gameplay thread,can I have the link to a blank clear chart?

>>18118791
I think I managed to fill a pretty crazy amount of boxes compared to when I first started tracking progress back in >>16899002. Unfortunately I don't think I'll be getting the MarisaB UFO clear before the year changes (I still have a few days left but I'd much rather snuggle up and play comfy eroge).
Goals for 2018 are finishing UFO, getting a PoDD/HRtP clear, maybe boxticking HSiFS/MS/LLS/PoFV, and IN/DDC LNB because I'm nowhere close to LNBing anything else.

Happy holidays /jp/gameplaythread!

>>18119013
https://imgur.com/a/NdaSE

>>18119013

>>18119033
>>18119035
thanks anons. i will post a filled one once i...have squares to fill.

>>18118791
A couple years after getting a ReimuB Normal 1cc in EoSD, I decided to try playing the games again at the beginning of July. I haven't gotten many clears the last couple months or so, which is why I haven't posted my chart in a while, but overall I'm very proud of my progress this year.
Currently taking a break from EoSD Lunatic because of burn out, and instead playing the game that causes me even more burn out: PoFV. Trying to clear lunatic with every shot.

>>18118183
How masochistic are you? If you want to get gud fast, LoLK, Pointdevice Mode, Hard or Lunatic. It won't be fun though.
Otherwise, just pick a game and keep practicing it. I'd recommend any of the games with simpler scoring/gameplay mechanics, as skills you learn in them will carry over to other games better.
Note: I'm awful, can't even 1CC any of the games on Normal, but I'm getting close on IN at least.

>>18119242
LoLK pointdevice normal, when finished with all four characters, was when I finally got decent enough to start clearing games at a more even pace. LoLK in general is git gud material.

i played EOSD with no vpatch / hitbox mod and flandre was so fucking difficult, i had no problems clearing any normal or extra stage in other games after that.

>>18119352
good on you anon. godspeed.

>>18119261
PD isn't really ideal for getting gud because infinite retries completely removes any sense of urgency from the game. Let him play Legacy ideally with Reimu.

>>18119448
PD is good for getting a feel for the routing, at least. I'd recommend doing one PD before trying the real deal.

>>18119448
I disagree, because PD only gives you so many bombs, you actually have to learn the majority of the game and get through it by learning various tricks along the way. Helps you get a solid feel for things, like spell practice.

>>18119352
It's not exactly pleasant but not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. I'd take no vpatch/hitbox Flan over Mamizou/Hecatia(not using Reisen) any day.

I don't get the curvy laser meme. The green spinning one is by far the worst.

>>18118055
PCB stage 4 is absolute kino. It's when I became enamored with the series

>>18119811
Same. That one stage was not like anything I had experience before in a game.

>>18119665
are you playing on lunatic? the second nonspell is extremely stupid and far worse than vajra

>>18119811
>>18119915
PCB Stage 4 is cancer. 4 full minutes of streaming, and the most challenging part is realizing that maybe letting go of the z key isn't a deadly sin (well, there's also the death fairy, I guess).
I'd say the stage that left the most impact on me was EoSD Stage 5, but that's mostly on the music. I think the level I enjoyed the most, gameplay-wise was IN Stage 5.

>>18119811
pcb stage 4 has some cool grazes

>>18120022
>IN Stage 5
3 minutes of pretty much nothing but spawnkilling fairies before any bullets get to you at all is peak gameplay for you?

>>18118055
extremely cliche answers but either the chase sequence in IN stage 4 or reaching the barrier in PCB stage 4

>>18120081
I dunno dude, I find it fun. Maybe it's just the music. I don't care much for stages anyway.

>>18118791
sauce me on that yuyuko

>>18119811
>>18119915
>>18120033
I love stage 4 too! the music and the boss fight are great.

Is it just me or does PCB have wonky movement compared to other windows era games?

>>18120591
The movement feels natural to me, probably because it's the one I've played the most. EoSD and pofv feel normal. IN is the slightly weird feeling one.

Fuck Kanako and everything about her. It takes like 30 minutes to get to her just so I can be stomped by her final card. I can't even get to her final card anymore, it's like I only get one shot at it each day and lose within a hair of victory. I haven't played a game in the series besides this that makes me feel obligated to restart if I get hit before the fourth boss. Fuck Aya, too, I always lose at least one life on her, she was the bane of my existence in HSiFS and PoFV, and she's my bane here too.

>>18120591
it has a lot of input delay, probably the most of all games around; if you don't want to deal with it vpatch is around to mae it a lot less laggier

>>18120641
play anything post MoF and you'll notice a huge difference in controls

>>18121048
I thought they were referring to the pre-mof games only.

>>18118791
Being completely serious, if you can cap fujiyama volcano, you can definitely lnb any game

I think my copy of UFO has autism

>>18121291
nice sprite sheet

>>18121130
Are you high? I can timeout fujiyama without the cheese strat and only have a couple LNBs.

>>18121363
>timeout
he said cap, though.

>>18121386
It's not like there's a safespot on fujiyama that makes it easier to timeout than cap. You're just baiting at this point aren't you?

>>18118864
That's pretty nice, keep it up
>>18119033
Incredible as always, LNB EoSD with every shot would be badass as well.
>>18120281
Omg this is extremely cute, ty tons anon!

>>18118215
I love everything about IN stage 4. Especially the part when you're in hot pursuit of the protagonists. It feels like most games have a jump in excitement at stage 4.

>>18119591
I use Reisen though, fuck Hecatia

>>18121404
Are you? You're talking about something other than what he was talking about.

>>18121490
So either you don't know what timeouts mean or you're deliberately starting shit. Gotcha.

>>18121501
Timeouts are not a cap. Also, I'm the original poster of that fujiyama statement.

And there's a cheese strat?

>>18121501
Fujiyama Volcano isn't a survival spell, you fucking idiot. Timing it out means you do not cap it.

>>18121512
You can spin around her to avoid restreaming near the exploding shit, but that's not a "cheese" so no.

>>18121512
>>18121516
You're actually serious? Okay then.
If you can survive for the time it takes for the spellcard to time out all you have to do is hold down the x button and you're guaranteed to cap it. For most spellcards, being able to time it out necessarily implies that you can cap it.

>>18121521
Z button not x im thinking of another game. Shot button.

>>18121521
>If you can survive for the time it takes for the spellcard to time out all you have to do is hold down the z button and you're guaranteed to cap it. For most spellcards, being able to time it out necessarily implies that you can cap it.

All I said was that a timeout is not a fucking cap, nothing more, but let's not derail this thread further

is the nu fighter good?

>>18121713
yes

After so long PCB is almost done...

I did it, /jp/! I managed to get my first Lunatic 1cc (EoSD) before the year is over! It wasn't that bad after all.
>>18118791
I've been playing touhou for almost exactly half a year, so I'm pretty satisfied with my progress. My only regret is not having started earlier.

what team do you like in TH08? What is considered the best for clearing?

Can't decide between Scarlet or MAlice cannon, I like playing as both.

>>18122020
Border team

>>18122020
I think Border is usually considered the best for survival. That and Scarlet are my favorites.

>>18121839
Oh so you are the one that has been posting those PCB L clears? good going Anon!
>>18121933
Congrats for the first Lunatic 1cc!!
I gotta say, for only half a year this is pretty impressive anon.
>>18122020
Either Border Team or Netherworld Team.
Border Team is easier to use, but the ghosties have very good potential at anything, and easier stages too.

>>18122020
I'd say Border Team is the easiest, though Netherworld Team is definitely my favorite team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjJ-5BIyCN8
Come and watch, please be nice.

>>18122124
I would but yt is a pretty shit platform for streaming/watching streams

>>18121933
>I've been playing touhou for almost exactly half a year
Damn. If I didn't take breaks in the half-year I've played, maybe I too would be that hardcore. Good job anon.

>>18122020
NT is my favorite, but I think you should start with Border Team on your first go.

>>18118159
>>18118510
Don't listen to the guy who said no. I've done it, it's easy, it all works pretty much out of the box. I'll write up a guide for touhou plus other /jp/ related content.

>>18121048
Vpatch made a huge difference. But for some reason it causes sub 30fps in certain parts, is this a known issue with vpatch?

>>18118159
I've gotten touhou games running just fine on linux through wine, granted, I just started up the game and didnt really play enough to see if there was any noticeable input lag.

if you have the right software on your pi why wouldnt that work?

>>18121933
Actually, how many runs do you do per day? It's rare for me to even do 3 in a day and I want to know if me not playing as much as I could is why I'm down in normal despite starting around the same time while you're on lunatic, or if I'm just bad.

Is AoCF worth playing for someone who hated HM and ULiL at their core? The game's roster disappoints me so if the gameplay is just as unappealing to me as the last two games I think I might just not play it at all. I tried the first trial for AoCF and didn't get anything out of it at all, but I figured I'd ask just in case something changed for the better between then and its full release.

>>18127151
>Is AoCF worth playing for someone who hated HM and ULiL at their core?
Go back to Soku with all the other Chileans.

>>18127227
I would if I could but I didn't get into Touhou until the Soku scene died off and people like you scare away anyone I could potentially play it with. I've never gotten the chance to play it with another living person, I've only ever played against computers and it's ALL YOUR FAULT.

>>18127243
>until the Soku scene died off
I know for a fact that Chile hasn't sunk into the ocean or been nuked yet so I doubt that. You're probably just a lazy-ass secondary like everyone else that pretends Soku is a good game.

why dont you just play a real fighting game and stop pretending to play touhou by playing fighters

>mfw downloaded a scorefile to fight flandre
>didn't even reached her

>>18127800
I'm not sure what you expected, anon, if you couldn't 1cc the main game.

>>18127804
I don't know what I was thinking, but the enemies seem to never die, makes me thing shooting is useless outside of bosses. My mom 1cc the game for me, I downloaded the scorefile to make her think I was good.

>>18127811
>My mom 1cc the game for me
Your mom plays Touhou?

>>18127811
You think I got a shot at your mom if I showed her my EoSD ExNN?

>>18127822
Yes.
>>18127833
I don't wanna think about it.

>>18127848
Is she good?

>>18127858
Better than me, makes me ashamed of cheating, but lets not derail the thread.

It's over! PCB is fucking over! I don't feel like playing it again anytime soon

>>18127976
Good stuff.
Not planning to do any no bomb runs?

>>18122079
>>18122386
Thank you!
>>18125120
It fluctuates quite a bit, but if I had to guess I'd say that my average is around two hours per day; so I've probably played more than you. It's not like I'm actually good at the games, I've just been relying on bombs and decent routing to get the clears. You can do it as well, anon!

>>18128062
It's hard for me not to feel a bit inferior when I started just under half a year ago. Though I did play Hard today as a result of that and almost won, so hopefully that'll be a thing before new year.

Yeah, though, I usually do one to three runs when I am playing, but often I can take like a week break after a big clear. So it probably is a playtime thing. Still, don't sell yourself short, that's a really good pace.

>>18127811
>spoiler
Bull fucking shit.

I tried to watch a touhou stream, but the streamer is whistling to the theme the whole time, it's distracting and annoying, why the fuck do people do that? There isn't a single good touhou stream at all?

>>18128152
Some are more bearable than others. If I told you which janny will get mad so I'll refrain. Whistling's not that bad in the whole scheme of things though. Just turn your volume down or something.

>>18128029
probably gonna give it a try, I just need to re-do some of the parts of my route

>>18128152
you are so fucking autistic, the whistle was like for 20 seconds tops

>>18127976
Good job!

I got to the final spell card on hard in HSiFS! Soon I will have a hard clear! Assuming I can get to Okina with enough lives to cheese Fall with bombs.

Anyone have any luck with aocf online? Every time I get a match with someone I get booted back to the menu after a few seconds of a black screen

>>18128152
Watch yuyuko anon's stream, he doesn't have a mic

God fucking damnit I had such a good run, but EX Okina is still too much for me (especially that last spell). I capped some spells I had problems with (Flames, Kyogen, Dukkah), but some others (Shot in the Back, Seven Stars, somehow, and Performers) are too much for me. I actually failed her survival because a bullet spawned on my ass (and that's kinda madenning, since it really is the easiest survival to date). Whoever says she's the easiest Extra boss probably never fought Ran or Suwako.

>>18132512
Are you playing as Reimu? Reimu turns the whole extra stage into a joke. If you're on any other shot it's more comparable with the other easy extras, but as Reimu (if you're willing to use facesitting strats) it's by far the easiest extra.

>>18132541
I'm playing Marisa. As Reimu I would have probably cheesed Seven Stars.

>>18132512
Then again, not everything is pain and tears. I actually beat StB Scenes 6 and 7. 8 and beyond seem to be my true limit, though.

>>18132607
SS has a cheese strat?

>>18132699
The guy who uploaded the video showing it deleted it for whatever reason, but basically, going to the middle/upper left/right of the screen fucks up the lasers. You still have to dodge the stars, though.

>>18132948
oh, they are aimed that's why, but I wouldn't consider it a cheese since you need to be so high and the stars are dense.

>>18132948
What, something like this? https://my.mixtape.moe/caxqmn.mp4
(Forgot to mute the other bgm my bad)
This takes so much more effort than just staying under her, plus it makes the card last twice as long. I wouldn't call it a cheese at all.

>>18133119
I guess you could call that a cheese, but that card isn't even that hard to begin with so it seems kinda pointless to me.

>>18133119
You're still ignoring like half of the attack. Not an effective cheese, but still kinda cheese.

>>18133231
Yet I still get hit at least once. Maybe I just suck at reading those little star hitboxes (would explain why IN Marisa is so hard for me).

>>18133119
Gonna need sauce on that bgm friendo.

>>18133522
I usually get hit on that card too, maybe because I release a lot to get more PIV from the lasers. It's fine to get h it there or bomb, because you get a lot of resources and can always work on other parts of the fight.

>>18133522
Her lasers are aimed, so if you stay right underneath her, the lasers can never hit you to begin with because their source never moves, plus you have less dense stars to deal with, AND the card lasts half as long. But hey more power to you if you want to use that strat.

>>18133543
>sauce on that bgm
新妻LOVELY×CATION, 雪's main theme.
Comfy newlywed simulator eroge.

>>18133602
Song doesn't seem to be up on youtube, but thank you, I'll track it down.

>>18118055
I always come back to play against Reimu with Alice x Marisa on IN. So exciting

Anyone have the 1cc chart for AoCF?

God. Fucking. Damnit.
It was my best run, my best fucking run! I had finally figured out Twin Typhoons, I had finally figured out Shot in the Back, I was pretty much acing everything (I did fuck up a little bit in some of the later nons, Flames, and Sword, but that doesn't matter) and suddenly I lose TWO, count em, two lives to her fucking survival! And then I choked on Anarchy's third fucking phase yet again. Except this time around it was in the fucking stupidest way.
She only has like 3 actually hard spells, why can't I just beat her already? (Rhetorical question, no answers needed)

>>18119035
Anybody know where I can get this font? I tried searching for it and couldn't find it.

>>18134648
Trying to fight Yukari or Raiko would have probably been less of a waste of time. Hell, I probably could have beaten the former and made it much further into the latter if I hadn't crushed my willingness and my (mysterious ways working) skills.

>>18118055
PCB stage 4 and LoLK stage 5 are both great

>>18134648
why don't you try capturing the spell using the glith with the release? if you are using reimu you can finish her time out in around 10 secs or so

>>18118055
Murasa's stage. I love this girl to death.

>>18135070
I actually did exactly that after dying twice. Maybe I should get around playing SA and LoLK (which would be pretty much 1cc'ing the whole series, at least on Normal) and come back to this later.

>>18135070
That glitch is the only reason I have an Aya clear.

>>18118055
As much as I love PCB Stage 4, Mystic Square stage 2 was the first stage that made me smile like an idiot.

It's like you're really flying through space, destroying everything in your path.

name a more fun shot type than Marisa B in SA.

>>18135728
The Autumn subseason in HSiFS, it's so broken

>>18135728
Cirno/Fall or maybe Netherworld Dwellers Team

>>18135728
PCB SakuyaB, maybe TD Youmu. I should get around playing SA, though.

>>18135237
oh good job anon! yeah it's better to take a rest from it if you are having too much troubles, you can always check a video of the extra stage if you want to capture it by the right method and still having problems

>>18135250
same shit here, aya was the last character wich I completed the extra stage, even cirno was easier

Safespots
cheating or no?

>>18136675
Problem is, the only two games I have left are balls to the walls hard. Hell, the least hard things that are in my to-do list would be:
Phantasm
TD Extra (at least as Youmu, it isn't really that bad, I'd just need some practice, but that's assuming my best try wasn't just stupid lucky. The only real problem is my complete lack of interest)
DDC Extra
Then there's the hard stuff:
EoSD Extra (between the lack of visible hitbox and Maze of Love, I rarely try anymore)
UFO Extra (I've already voiced my fucking hatred for this thing, and that bullshit power loss makes me want to keep that game far away from me)
All of SA
All of LoLK

>>18136680
Last time we had this discussion was fucking stupid, use them if need be, or don't and show us how it's done.

>>18136680
Yes.

>>18136787
We never had this discussion

>>18137047
So you weren't around for that one guy who said the safespot for Fixed Star is cheating...

>>18137063
It's not cheating, it's an exploit.

>>18137063
Except that discussion was about whether the safespot was intentional or not

It's the fucking new years lets not do this again. Not now at least. Just play your game the way you want without giving a fuck. Happy new years faggots.

>>18137260
You just reminded me that my 2017 resolution was to beat all the games on hard, and I ended up only beating EoSD on hard and got stuck on PCB so long that I ended up avoiding practicing. I let myself down and let Yuyukoanon down.

>>18121291
Interesting that UFO has SA's boulder enemy sprites.

>>18128152
You're supposed to play the games yourself. The only reason to watch a stream is for the personality of the streamer. If you just want to see their gameplay, download their replays.

>>18136680
No, they're just kinda cheap and I respect people who use them a bit less.
Including myself, as I've used a few of them, most notably the safespot on Flan's Starbow Break.

>>18136787
alright anon, gotta give you some tips on your list if you are interested
>Phantasm
not as hard as you think, if you beated the extra stage then phantasm is pretty much the same with little more bullets, just for the fancy tho. Actually some spellcards are easier than their counterpart in the extra, most notably is "charming siege from all sides"
>TD Extra
Youmu is kind of hard to manage at first, if you can catch the rhythm with her releases then you are done for, don't fear using the trace mode to gather more resources while fighting Nue
>DDC Extra
not much of a challenge if you use Reimu A, the long ranged shot helps a lot to clear the toughest parts of the stage, like those popcorn fairies, as for Raiko, her spell cards are rather easy since most of them can be abused by some gimmick, just bomb during the non-spells if you are having problems
>EoSD Extra
a lot easier than it looks, you should already know where you hit box is at, so just play like'd you do if it was visible, bomb your way through patchy to protect your lives, since you can only get 2 during the stage. Maze of love can be speed killed by staying under flan instead of following the given pattern, if you fell like you'll get hit use a bomb and this should give you enough time to finish the spell
>UFO Extra
for starters, use Sanae with suwako shot-type, since it can drestroy most of Nue's ufo patterns, and make a route for the stage to max life pieces collection, fighting Nue is a lot easier when you can 6 extra lives since she doesn't drop that many resources
>All of SA
>All od LoLK
just use stage practice, while both games are harder than others, they also have broken shot-types liks Marisa A for SA and Sanae for LoLK, even Reisen bomb is fucking broken for surivival
Just don't give up anon, watch some videos if you are having troubles, seeing other people dealing with troublesome parts may give you a good advice of what you may be ignoring

>>18137713
>mfw its not the boss that breaks me, but the stages
Patchy should just turn into a boss book.

This year I will surely acquire lunatic 1ccs

>>18137810
Me too, I started around christmas, it wasn't enough to get good.

>>18127338
What is it about this joke about Chileans and Soku? What is it based on?

>>18137809
ah right, patchy is a savage during the extra, but she can be speed killed using Marisa A. First half of the stage is pretty easy, just don't let the fairies shot and you'll be safe, second half is pretty much streaming, even those books aim at you

>>18127811
>that spoiler
UTTERLY IRREDEEMABLE
How pathetic of you anon.

>>18137875
Actually, I have very little issues with her, my issue is the faries that take innumerable hits and I have no known way take them out, I get overwhelmed and die, same issue with stage 4, the boss is fine and dandy.

>>18137884
for stage 4, some fairies are trickish when it comes to how much HP they have, you should look for which fairies that clean bullets from the screen, the stage is almost trivial if you know which fairy shot and when. Best you can do is to look for a safe route since it's kind of hard to figure out how some of those patterns work

>>18137902
never thought of such thing, i merely assumed that screen clear thing was a result of killing everyone in a wave in later stages, thanks anon this will help

>>18127811
Ask your dad how to get a touhou playing gf for me.

>>18137713
Yeah, thanks for the advise, but really, I'm just a good attempt away from clearing Phantasm. For DDC I'm using MarisaB. I tried staying below MoL but I get too nervous and fuck up. As for UFO, I just don't have the autism/will to NMNB the stage just to stand a chance against Nue. As for TD, as I've said, I'm just lazy and not interested.

>>18135430
That's one of the most boring stages in existence.

>>18118055
EoSD stage 3. That stage was where Touhou clicked for me.

>>18138958
Your life's one of the most boring ones in existence.

Is the touhou wiki translation patch better than thcrap?

>>18139211
The static patches are easier to apply and use but thcrap has more accurate translations in basically all cases. There are also no static patches for the more modern games.

>>18139222
Also my double spoiler gives rubbish text when I use thcrap. And miko and reimu's ending in HM is in japanese.

Does anyone have a non hardpatched game .exe for IN?

>>18139394
>free virus
https://my.mixtape.moe/kyfkao
just rename it to th8.exe

>>18139523
Thanks dude.
This also had the effect of resetting all my spell histories for some reason, but it doesn't really matter I guess.

>>18137341
no worries dude, this is just a game

Got first PCB 1cc just before the end of the year! Also got first capture of Yuyuko's last spell at the end.
Decided to play since last playing 1+ years ago and practiced for 2 hours beforehand and got this run 2nd try. I didn't think so before, but now I agree that this game feels easier than EoSD.
End goal is to read all Touhou (th06+) canon, which involves 1cc'ing every shot type in every game.

I rarely ever browse the gameplay threads, never watch any streams or youtube playthroughs of Touhou, don't know the existence of any safespots or the "best" way to clear any spellcards or difficult stages.
But even then I've beaten most games on normal some of them on hard, and I've beaten every extra stage of the games I've beaten.
I'm not very good at touhou but I'm proud of myself for playing the games my "own" way if anybody here understands what I'm saying.

>>18140040
>1cc'ing every shot type in every game
not entirely, you'd only need the base 4 shots in 8, 2 in MoF and 3 shots in PCB for that. Unless that changes the ending in PCB, since it doesn't change dialogue.

>>18140071
That's fine and all, but you'll probably reach the point where it starts getting real tough to figure out what to do real soon. I grinded out MoF and EoSD lunatics by myself but looking back I really wasted a lot of time trial and error-ing things until they worked. I just can't see these games as puzzle games where you're supposed to figure things out anymore.

wtf I can beat Shou with continues but not on practice mode

Do most bullet hells have the "puzzle game" element or just Touhou?

>>18140571
Touhou's not really all that much of a puzzle game. Except for the photogames.

>>18139726
It's not okay though. I just loaded up the game and played for an hour and didn't even get a run where I didn't die to Chen. I have literally not improved at all in the last six months and I keep dying to bosses that people who have been playing for less than a month could beat on Hard.

>>18140581
that's why I used the quotation marks. I mean that certain patterns look impossible because you are trying to beat them in inefficient way but In fact are really easy once you figure out a way to beat them.

>>18140590

>>18140074
MoF and PCB have different endings for each shot, same as EoSD.

>>18140571
>>18140593
When I started playing the games, I used to consider Touhou games as "shooting games" but now, I consider them "half-shooting, half-puzzle solving games" due to the aspect of patterns having predeterminate ways of dodging and how each spellcard CAN be "solved" by using both your head and your reflexes.

>>18140901
>due to the aspect of patterns having predeterminate ways of dodging

>>18140901
>due to the aspect of patterns having predeterminate ways of dodging and how each spellcard CAN be "solved"
Fanciful way of saying "You can dodge patterns the same way each time"

>>18140901
Pray tell, how in the ever loving fuck do I "solve" books?

>>18140901
there not puzzle games dude. The majority of patterns have at least some RNG.

>>18141095
Strategy would be the word that he's looking for, and he is correct in that many, if not most, 2hu patterns have an element of strategy and routing to them.

>>18140571
No

>>18141082
You bomb them because they are RNG trash and if you can't bomb them you stop trying to get dumb achievements like NNs of games.

>>18141082
get good, people are consistent at it

After years of suffering I finally made it
tfw ZUN calls you a great friend

>>18141208
And with a lot of spare lives, must have been at your peak performance. Good work!

>>18140901
Most patterns have RNG-based parts, and at least a handful are entirely random. There are just about as many pure-memorization spells as there are pure-random spells.

>>18141208
Great job anon! Going for more 1ccs or are you going to do Koishi's Extra?

>>18141208
nice ending lives!

>>18141142
lol

>>18141142
Do people do this, just go on the internet and tell lies?

>>18141376
I hardly ever died to books and eosd was my first bullet hell

>>18140612
I'm sorry, I just can't take it easy whenever I see everyone tell me Alice is the easiest Stage 3 boss and I keep dying to her first boss nonspell.
>>18141082
Pure RNG patterns can't be solved the way static or partially-static patterns can, dodging those is a different skillset. If you want to get better at dodging RNG you should practice with PoFV, since it's almost 100% RNG all the time.

>>18141376
He's not wrong in that "some" people are consistent at it, but what he said is no more stupid than "get good, people that can run the 100m under 10 seconds exist".

>>18141409
Sorry, we're not talking about normal mode.

>>18141459
No less, I mean. Fuck English.

>>18141213
>>18141265
Got most of Orin's heart pieces, she was my main struggle
>>18141258
SA was the only 1cc I was missing, even though I was able to clear some extra stages, so now I'll try the rest of them

>>18141329
>>18141376
Load spoilerAL and practice books if you don't believe me. Sure 10% (I don't feel consistent with this at all) cap rate is really difficult, but even 4% relatively soon is possible. Books are an overhyped part of the stage that seemingly japanese aliens can only do, but getting consistent, or even dying less often, is possible if you're willing to put in the intense work.

t. 1/3xx books guy

subterranean animism is my favorite game of the series but I am so bad at it, I can only beat it on normal with several continues, although I like to think I am improving

how long would it usually take to 1cc on normal?

>>18141971
Now that's what I call consistent. Can you do any other tricks?

>>18142048
it depends. If your starting with absolutely zero experience with bullet hells probably at least 15 hours. SA is a hard game though, it would be much easier to get a 1cc in PCB or IN, especially with spell card practice.

>>18142084
I've been playing touhou games off and on for several years now, but my first and only normal 1cc was in HSiFS and that was after about 10 hours of gameplay. not sure how good/bad that is, I know it's the easier of the games, but I haven't played them nearly as much as some people

it's not hard for me to learn the patterns of these spells, I'm just bad at the tight movements. It took me like 4 days to just beat SA in the first place, and that might have been near 10 hours

>>18142116
if you're not bombing, then bomb. losing power is shitty but not as bad as losing a life. There is a spoiler-AL type patch out there so you can use that to practice.

>>18142128
I do bomb a lot, and I've learned to do it strategically to get through levels when I'm low on lives. I think I will just start practicing the individual levels more though

>>18142143
Can I ask what kind of setup you are using? Are you using vpatch, a computer monitor? What kind of controller? Sometimes people make the games harder than they actually are with their setup.

>>18141971
Are you saying that 10% cap rate is consistent?

>>18142260
No special patches or anything, I'm using a standard monitor and an Xbox One controller.

Maybe the input lag on my monitor is a factor

>>18142410
Vpatch nulls input lag. It's pretty much a must for PCB, and a godsend for everything else.

>>18142427
>Vpatch nulls input lag
Not all, just some. Simply using it doesn't mean your setup has minimal lag.

Does vpatch even do anything for SA/UFO? For me, it already feels like those games have unnoticeable input lag, to the point where vpatch feels like it does nothing for me. I keep it around for 90fps though.

>>18142528
Mind telling us a minimal lag setup? Because that sounds crazy useful, regardless of skill level.

Just got my first clear of the year doing a random run in GFW, haven't played this game for months, I'm glad its finally over and normal mode is actually done this time.

>>18143202
Nice work!

how is Yukari solo in IN? just finished 6B with both Magic Team and Scarlet Team, not sure if I should go to Extra or unlock the solo characters. Yukari would be the one that interests me.

Why is Reimu so mad in Ten desire?
And why are Taoist such a jobber?

>spell practice mode

completely ruined TH08 because most spellcards became fixed patterns you had to memorize.

How do I make the v-sync patches work with thcrap?

>>18134359
The chart has arrived.

Changelog:

+ Added AoCF
+ Fixed mismatched pixels in ISC's, IaMP's and SWR's color blobs
+ Fixed one pixel shift to the right of Suika's column in IaMP
+ Fixed one pixel shift to the right of Nitori's letter in HM
+ Link to the font now includes protocol ("http://") to avoid confusion

Considering AoCF, is everything alright? Unlike SA, there isn't a clear main and supporting character, and the teams aren't named. I omitted one character based on https://www.thpatch.net/wiki/Th155#Main_Story, but maybe both characters should be specified.

>>18143840
You apply vsync patch first, then in thcrap you point to the respective vsync.exe instead of the thXX.exe

>>18143770
Practically the only skill cards of mokou are her non-spell cards, everything else is a memorize fest. IN is overrated.

>>18143354
She's fine, basically a prototype version of ReimuA from DDC with the stipulation that she can't shoot familiars since she's the youkai side of the team.
Alice is agreed to be the worst solo shot, and Yuyuko and Youmu are generally agreed to be the best.

I've 1CCed my first Touhou ever, PCB Easy. Feels pretty good man, this good ending was real cute.
I'll try to 1CC Normal soonish as well.

>>18144337
Good job on the first step, anon.

>>18143945
I think AoCF is fine the way it is, since as you said, it's not like you can change the partners during the story scenarios.

>>18142658
The biggest factor other than vpatch is the monitor. The other stuff isn't as big of a factor but everything's additive, so keep that in mind.

Things to watch out for that may introduce unnecessary lag: controller converters, keyboard remappers, autohotkey, joy2key (fastest), monitor or signal switchers, your monitor configuration (game mode), adapters, using a tv as a monitor, post processing, bad controller drivers (like motionjoy). If your monitor is exceptionally shitty you can use an old CRT. CRTs are faster than all LCDs and have the added benefit of making the older low resolution Touhou games look beautiful. You can probably scavenge one off a garage sale.

I'm a different guy, but a CRT would be used in a minimal lag setup. There's a reason you still see these in arcades and why scorers still use them.

>>18143945
Thank you!

>>18143945
I agree with anon, it's fine. The character in front is the character you're forced to play as, anyway (except Yukari's second stage, but it's just that).

Is 16 a hard game? Last game I seriously played, in normal modo, was TD. Tried to play LoLK when it was released but I got stomped so hard I lost all motivation.

>>18145353
it's one of the easier ones

just downloaded IN, thought it looked good.
Lucky me unwittingly downloaded a version with all single 2hus and extra stages unlocked!
The new year looks good.

>>18145554
Delete the score.dat

>>18145606
I was actually thinking of keeping it that way, anon.

>>18145718
But that's like cheating, son

>>18145718
Why would you want someone else's scores and play stats?

>>18145718
I was actually thinking of calling you a cheating faggot, anon.

>>18143945
Oh cool, I've been meaning to redo my chart anyway.

>>18118055
PCB Stage 3, UFO Stage 6, and SoEW Stage 2 are my absolute favorites.

>>18145353
The patterns are actually pretty hard but if you abuse your season you can completely break the game on any difficulty, especially if your shot and season synergize (like Cirno with Summer, since you can get almost full charge with a bomb and then use 4-6 minibombs).

>>18146480
Aya with Fall subseason. Wait for there to be a lot of danmaku on the screen, activate subseason, clear screen, you should get enough charge to be able to release again immediately. You can cheese most spell cards in the game with this trick. Hell, it might even be easier to pull off on Lunatic or Hard than Normal. When Okina takes your season away, just start spamming bombs. You can get through the game without having to try that hard even.

What do you guys use for chart decoration? All I have is MSpaint.

>>18146514
paint.net oughta do it just fine

>>18146480
>>18146512
Isn't that, like, cheating?

>>18146592
It's certainly not cheating, you're only doing what's available to you in the game. You could argue it's not impressive if you just spam releases without ever needing to dodge anything, but a 1cc is a 1cc, even if it's a really easy 1cc. Do a no-release run if you want to challenge yourself in HSiFS.

>>18146592
No, because it's a part of the game mechanics. You're not even exploiting a bug, just using whatever tools the game gives you to complete it. Cheating would be using Hourglass to slow down the game so you could actually clear the EX stage and see your waifu, which I totally did.

>>18146592
It's not cheating if people were using it to break the 1 billion score mark in the demo and ZUN still refused to do something about it in the full game.

Besides, like anon said, if you have something to prove, you can just do a NR run.

is POFV worth playing? My goal is to clear every windows extra stage, and I've done 6, 7, and 8, but from what I understand it doesn't really have an extra stage and is a pretty abnormal game.

>>18146762
>is POFV worth playing?
No, it's overrated shit.

>>18146656
>Besides, like anon said, if you have something to prove, you can just do a NR run.
Sounds more fun to me.

>>18146592
Using Fall the way it's supposed to be used is cheating, is it?

>>18146762
PoFV is great. It is quite different, so make sure you read the wiki/manual to understand the basics. The wiki leaves some information out (such as how the AI tends to die at a set time based on a timer depending on stage/retry count) however.

>>18146878
Then do it. You can go full tryhard like >>18118791 and >>18119033 and pretty much only play no release if you want, but that doesn't mean people using releases are cheating.

So I'm not seeing any spell cards in 15.5, what's the deal?

>>18146762
PoFV is the best game, ignore any idiot who says otherwise. It does have an extra stage.

>>18146997
Have you patched the game?
http://www.tasofro.net/touhou155/download.html

>>18147000
>hurr anyone that doesn't share my opinions is an idiot
And that's how you know the game is overrated shit.

>>18147126
I think you're the very first human being who calls PoFV overrated. I've seen, however, a fair share of people saying it's terrible.

>>18147126
1v1 me idiot.

>>18147113
I hadn't, thank you!

>>18147113
I hadn't, thank you. Which link do I click for it, though, as I can't read japanese

>>18147444
>I can't read japanese
On what board do you think you are?

>>18147444
On that page are dates, version numbers, and English "download" buttons. You should be able to solve this.

>>18147476
Isn't that the game download?

>>18147728
nvm, I fixed it.

Another extra down. I'll move on to TH10 I think, I want to save TH09 for when I've cleared every main game and my twitch skills are god tier.

>>18147907
also do future games have shots like Remilia's? I absolutely loved being able to place a turret and dodge elsewhere. And her bomb was so damn powerful.

>>18147924
MoF Marisa C.
That's it.

>>18147947
Except that one has fucking terrible range by comparison.

Hey guys, I dropped EX Okina for the time being and went for SA Normal. Right now I'm maining ReimuB (which is probably the best homing shottype) and MarisaB (which takes some learning but is pretty boss). In only 2 (technically 4) tries I made it to Orin, and I'm definitely gonna need to practice, because she's no slouch. Maybe I'll pick up MarisaA soon.

>>18147947
Is that considered her best shot in MOF?
Also has there ever been a single game where Marisa is the best shot type? Seems like she is always outclassed for survival or scoring by others.

>>18147966
it deals a lot of damage if well placed, the short range is not a problem at all if you know how to trick bosses into staying above it

>>18147982
In my opinion, EoSD and PCB Marisa A is the best shot in those games.

>>18147996
maybe EOSD, but world records always set with Ray moo. And in PCB Sakyua gives you an extra 10-20 bombs, they are short bombs so better for some bosses, and Sakuya B is a god tier shot.

>>18147980
Reimu B is shit anon, better use Reimu A for bossing and Marisa A if you want to kill every enemy on screen

>>18147982
not the anon you asked, but seems to be her best shot type for MoF if you don't use the glitch of Marisa B
Also, Marisa A in EoSD seems to be the best shot in the game, the problem comes from patchy amd her brutal spell set for her

>>18147982
MarisaC MoF is the WR I think.
For survival if you can set up her turrets in just the right position she does more damage than any other shot by far (other than MarisaB 3.0 bug).
I think the DDC Extra WR is MarisaB.
MarisaA is pretty good in LLS.
That's pretty much it I think.

>>18148009
I wouldn't mind an explanation as for for why ReimuB sucks. Also, MarisaB is pretty much the best shottype for crowd control.

>>18148009
I don't think Patche gets any more brutal than ReimuB Patche, but I do agree MarisA is the best EoSD shot.

>>18148005
PCBSakuyaB is hands down one of the best shottypes in the entire series, or at least one of the best shots that isn't broken (is four bombs really broken if they're the weakest bombs in the entire series?)

>>18148052
>(is four bombs really broken if they're the weakest bombs in the entire series?)
But for Extra / Stage 6 that doesn't matter, and it's actually better that it's short. So for the average player it's actually an advantage in my opinion.

>>18148062
It's totally an advantage, but I wouldn't call it broken because your bombs deal little (focused) to
actually no damage (unfocused).

Fall shot is super confusing in hsifs, can't see shit because of the particles.

>>18148052
Reimu B' homming shots has a really short angle of spread, they barely hit any enemies at your sides and it also deals the lower damage of all reimu shots in SA
And yeah, maybe marisa B is better for crown control just forgot about her

>>18148190
Man, I thought the damage wasn't half bad at all, maybe I should give ReimuA another shot.
As for crowd control, well, MarisaB is way better for several, low-HP enemies, but MarisA is indeed more useful for single, high-HP enemies. It shows on Stage 2, where MarisA can kill those Kedama right before midboss Parsee before they even shoot, but MarisaB completely trivialises those streaming Kedama right before boss Parsee.

>>18148213
alright, did some research and seems like my memory isn't as good as a think. Seems that Reimu B delas more damage than Reimu A while being focused, but Reimu A still deals more damage while unfocused, my bad anon

>>18148309
>Seems that Reimu B delas more damage than Reimu A while being focused, but Reimu A still deals more damage while unfocused
Sure you didn't get that backwards?

>>18148347
yes, forget that shit, I'm stupid

>>18148213
>maybe I should give ReimuA another shot
Guess who 1cc'd SA.
I may have outgrown Normal mode. I'm rather surprised myself. But then again, I did just beat it with what many may consider the best shot in the game, so maybe I shouldn't get cocky.

>>18148398
The best part is that the replay fucking desyncs no matter how I play it. One of my best runs (I deathbombed 5 times), and the replay doesn't work. Though now I have to ask how generous is SA's deahbomb window, because I did deathbomb a whole lot, and I wasn't exactly at the edge of my seat. Maybe ReimuA has easy deathbombs?

>>18148506
Gotta replay it from s5 without skipping at all to view s6 without desync. Happens to all SA replays.
SA's deathbomb window isn't bigger. You just happened to get 5 of them.

>deathbomb
what is this?

>>18148525
When you hit the bomb key at the same time you're hit. You'll bomb, and survive the hit.

This is elementary grade stuff, anon.

>>18148525
It's when you can hear the death sound but the bomb still goes off and saves your life.
These are usually flukes or that you saw a death coming, bombed in advance, and just so happen to have gotten hit before you actually pressed the bomb button. Bombing in reaction to an actual death is basically impossible.

>>18148554
>>18148544
>using bombs to save oneself
I see, thanks, i typically tend to save bombs to kill bosses.

>>18148598
To add on to what other anons said, death bomb period is within like 6-8 frames (touhou runs at 60 frames a second) of the death for most games, just to give you an idea.

It's a longer timeframe (like close to a second or so?) for imperishable night, but uses 2 bombs, unless you get the 1 frame real deathbomb.

>>18148517
Yep, that fixed it. Now I can confirm I have, indeed, deathbombed exactly five times in a single run.

I'll probably try to 1cc as MarisaB and then I'll bother going for Extra.

>>18148615
if I remember correctly, deathbombing varies from shot-type to shop-type; some characters have a bigger amount of frames to use for deathbombing.
Most of the time the games gives you around 20~40 frames (depending of character and game) to use a bomb before dying.
Other stuff affect the time you get to deathbomb. like the amount of % you have in IN's metter aswell as the character that gets hit. EoSD's rank system also affects the amount of frames you get.
The amoun of frames for deathbombing seems to decrease as you deathbomb more in a run, capping around 8 or 6 frames. This makes deathbombing in later stages a lot harder.

>>18148647
This probably doesn't apply to anything after IN, though.

>>18148554
>Bombing in reaction to an actual death is basically impossible.
It's very possible. Just really, really hard and not of much practical use compared to simply predicting hits (or using bombs properly instead of deahbombing every time but that's what weenies do).

>>18148627
Grats on the run, but try to aim for not dying in the first place instead of relying on "deathbombing". Don't get caught into the trap of thinking you can train to reactionary deathbomb. They should only exist as planned bombs that just so happened to have been in the timeframe. For example here's 5 deathbombs in 25 seconds. https://my.mixtape.moe/wfdlbc.mp4

>>18148686
Nah. https://youtu.be/4du_rEB0M88?t=115
They're just happy accidents.

In my opinion, PCB has some of the most boring danmaku and spellcards. Hard isn't necessarily better, but Sakuya's time shenanginans, Okuu sucking you in with her last spellcard, or Clownpiss's stars and stripes are much and almost everyother game has more "fun" danmaku that you capture for fun and not purely practice.

>>18148712
you cant complain about PCB when IN exists. never had less fun in my life.

EOSD is the king of fun.

Huh. So my first clear of the year was also my first Hard mode clear: IN Final A with Border Team.
Definitely wasn't expecting this. I just wanted to unlock Apollo 13 on spell practice. On that note, Eirin's Last Word is really easy, isn't it?

>>18148703
>someone made a youtube video that agrees with me, therefore i'm objectively correct
You win this one anon, but I'll be back with two youtube videos, just you wait and see.

>>18148730
I thought IN had alright danmaku, better then PCB at least. Reimu had some pretty nice spells like Evil Sealing Circle or Duplex Danmaku Barrier. Reisen's nonspells were aesthetically pleasing and Visionary Tuning was cool, but her gimmick felt underutilized. Eirin also had better spells then Kaguya

>>18148863
One's better than zero, I'd say. I'd love to see someone who thinks they can pull off consistent 133ms reaction speeds while trying NOT to get hit.

>>18148907
This is /jp/. The correct response should have been "who are you quoting?".

>>18148647
what does the meter even do? I'm confused about that.

>>18148936
if you have 100% human side and you get hit with the human character (like reimu, marisa,sakuya) the game gives you a bigger amount of frames to use a bomb; if you get hit while the meter is around 0% or so, the game gives you less frames to bomb.
Ther are other stuff the meter does, but that's another matter

>>18148907
Who's talking about consistency? I just said it was possible, which it is. Hell, I even mentioned in that post that it was very not worth it when you could be using your bombs better instead.

>>18148934
>The correct response should have been "i don't have an argument but still want the Last Word".
FTFY

>>18148703
I know full well I can't "reactionary deathbomb", that whole thing was a little side anecdote. As for no death runs, sorry, but I'd rather play with everything that's available to me, I'm really far from that level of skill, you see. Maybe I'll do Hard and if I get even better I'll try Lunatic, but that's as far as I go.

>>18148703
>they should exist as planned bombs
And pretty much all bombs were, but Okuu was a blind fight, so there wasn't much planning.

>>18149009
>I just said it was possible, which it is.
Fair enough, but that's about as meaningless as saying 4 standard deviations below the mean is still a nonzero probability, one which I had believed could be referred to colloquially as "basically impossible" but if you have an issue against that I can deal with it.

>>18148906
i just fundamentally don't like IN because most cards have a gimmick that requires you to watch replays or grind out Spellcard Practice. You can play EOSD and get a feel for how to beat most spell cards just by playing.

>>18149044
Not him, but I didn't feel IN was particularly cryptic with it's patterns (Reisen notwhistanding)

>>18149050
Reisein, Mokou, Keine (extra) are almost 100% gimmick cards

>>18149054
I don't think streaming is a gimmick.

>>18149058
if you're referring to keine extra, complete gimmick. consider her first spellcard. all the white bullets pass you as long as you don't move, then you just stream to the right. then the white bullets pass you as long as you don't move, then you just stream to the left.

no skill required, you just had to watch a replay or figure it out in spellcard practice.

>>18149069
So in my opinion, if you're going to have fixed patterns at least make them fun. Royal flare is fun because you have to dodge each wave and you can't really memorize that precisely.

>>18149069
That's not a gimmick, it's literally just streaming. You wanna see gimmicks you go play StB. SA has some wacky patterns too.

>>18149080
Bad example. Royal flare only really needs 4 to 5 easy but specific movements to be more or less 100% consistent on any shot.
Something like Murasa's nons might be what you're looking for: always static based on position but super hard (at least the third one is) and can overlap in funky ways.

>>18149080
Hell, I'd say Flandre is way gimmickier than Mokou.

>>18149082
>SA has some wacky patterns too.
But compare Koishi and Mokou. Koishi is tough, but you can generally figure out her cards just by looking at them. Mokou has boring crap like pic related, which is nearly impossible to figure out by looking. Everyone watches a replay, or grinds Spellcard Practice, and then it poses no challenge at all because it's a simple fixed pattern in disguise.

>>18149118
Almost every single EX boss pulls one of these.

isn't Suwako the extra boss with more gimmicks and therefore the easiest one?

>>18149114
No way, Flandre is great. Her only gimmick cards are Maze of Love and Lavatien. Everything else is dodging you could figure out by looking.

Mokou has Flying Phoenix, Xu Fu's dimension, Honest Man's Death, Woo, all gimmicks.

>>18149129
Isn't Raiko gimmicky?

>>18149129
I'd say Ran's easier, but yeah, pretty much everything Suwako does is a gimmick.

>>18149133
Cranberry trap isn't exactly simple, Catadioptric and Counterclock are made to fuck you up. Misdirection is a very gimmicky pattern too. I also love how Emerald Megalith depends on not having a big bullet spawn at full speed right next to you.
It's 3am here, lemme snooze and I'll come back to see what you have to say.

>>18149156
wont disagree on counterclock, but cranberry trap makes sense if you look at it. blue bullets, purple bullets, and they overlap where you are. also i think catadioptric is fantastic, you see exactly whats going on (giant aimed ricochet waves) and you could clear the card a bunch of different ways.

>>18149134
kinda, but not as much as suwako, while Raiko has gimmicks in many of ther spellcards, her non-spells are pretty harsh and can't be done by simple stream the opposite to suwakos whose fight is pretty much a gimmick
>>18149135
I'd say Ran is a little bit harder, but maybe it's just because of the stage, it feels a lot harder to reach Ran than Suwako

>>18149245
>her non-spells are pretty harsh
Yeah but you can always bomb those. If you can capture every card, or at least most of them, you'll be able to throw your bombs on nons

What does streaming mean?

>>18149254
I mean they are harsh, but not impossible, I used to save my bombs for blue lady show, fuck that shit

>>18149258
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/General_Strategy

>>18149258
Slow movements, turning a mass amount of aimed bullets into one solid stream.

>>18149009
Right, you can consistently cap books, cap pdh, no miss inbachi. Anything else?

>>18148647
>20~40 frames
>the amount of % you have in IN's metter
>EoSD's rank system also affects the amount of frames you get.
All of this is news to me. I know deathbombing reduces your timeframe in EoSD, but I hadn't heard of rank affecting it, too. Besides, the wiki says that the deathbomb window in EoSD is reset upon death, but perhaps that's wrong?
Also, PCB Reimu "only" gets 15 frames, which is very generous, but IN is the only game to surpass that.

This is the ideal bomb. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

All the new fucks, just play chronologically and stop jumping games like a faggot. The characters change a lot, you will only remember a hodge-podge of their personality instead of gradual changes over the years.

>>18151028
Are you one of those people who labels people as "secondaries" and what not? Just in time! What do you call someone like me who's 1cc'ed all the windows shooters while paying almost zero attention to any of the plot? If it helps with the classification at all I have also never read official manga, I do listen to musical arranges, and I do masturbate to the doujins. Thanks!

>>18151171
You're an hexagonary

>>18151171
>Are you one of those people who labels people as "secondaries" and what not?
I dont give a shit to the point of calling anyone anything. I told you about the better way you can experience the game. But you can always remain an obnoxious little shit and not listen to me or give a shit anout the game and its characters.

>>18151246
I'll take it!

>>18151251
I like the games as games. As for the story, I could take it or leave it.
If the story and plot in this game are so sacred to you I hope for your sake you're at least reading them in their original Japanese.

>>18151293
I bet you are a boatfag.

>>18151293
I do, and its your problem if you dont give a damn about the story. And then my post wasnt supposed to be directed to you anyway.
Also theres no problem with not being able to read in japanese. You would be just alienating a lot of people who cant read nip.
I have no idea where your superiority complex is coming from and where its directed to.

How do I deal with Narumi's second spellcard, the one with the giant bullet? I can't figure it out.

>>18151345
>its your problem if you dont give a damn about the story.
I think you're the one with a problem here. People are enjoying the games in their own ways while you felt the need to tell them the "right" way to play.

>>18151362
When the giant bullet comes out make a big loop around and behind Narumi.

>>18151384
There's something called advice, which is given by someone who has already experienced something, to be given to someone who he thinks might benefit from it. If you dont want to take it then thats your problem, just dont be an obnoxious cunt about it.

>>18151028
Big baddie fucks shit up.
Reimu goes to investigate.
Reimu beats big baddie.
Wow I have been beaten lets party.
Reimu drinks with big baddie.

Wow such an interesting story

>>18151403
Not him, but tell me how the plot and tension of say LoLK and PCB are remotely similar.

>>18151402
There's a adjective that commonly comes attached with advice called "unsolicited", which means that nobody really asked for or cares for the advice in question. If you want to offer it, that's your prerogative, just don't get all upset if nobody pays any mind to it.

>>18151412
And Reimu also changed a lot, going from "All youkai must die" and just partying later and going full denial when somebody called her out, to at least accepting her role as a balancer and better view of the situation. She grew up a bit.
You may not be able to see this if you dont read the mangos though.

>>18151424
You are definitely paying mind to it which also happens to be unsolicited. I didnt reply to anyone, and it would have gone unreplied if you didnt anyway, which it was meant to be. But nobody asked you to reply to me but you did anyway, really shows who gave "unsolicited" advice.
You dont get to decide if anyone cares or not, stop giving yourself so much importance

I'm pretty sure this is the dumbest thing you guys have argued about here.

>>18151447
>You are definitely paying mind to it which also happens to be unsolicited.
So do you want attention or not? Fuck man I'm trying to throw you a bone here.
I also wasn't exactly asking for people to poke fun at (or do you not know what unsolicited means?) but if you do decide to post some silly thing again I'll at least be here to play with you.

This is so off topic but we're already past bump limit so don't ban me please janny.

>>18151488
Playing the games chronologically is objectively the better experience though, whether you agree or think its silly is your opinion.

This whole conversation between you two is retarded but I agree with the chronological thingy

>>18151500
I would say it's the "ideal" experience. This doesn't take into account that some games are fuckhard and forcing yourself to play chronologically could very well mean that you might just get stuck at some point (looking at you, SA and UFO). It's a pretty unnecessary restriction to put on yourself just to appreciate the continuity between the stories, but I'm fairly biased in that I'd rather people enjoy the games than to make them play ones they might not like for the sake of the story.

I 1cc'd EoSD normal yesterday with Reimu B, what should I do now? PCB, 1cc with all the other characters or play it on hard?

>>18151527
Touhou isnt THAT difficult once you pass the easy 6-10 phase. No game from these should take more than a week or two to 1cc Normal if you play semi regularly. And you would have become good enough to play SA by then. And touhou and bullet hells in general arent for you if you dont like a bit of pain and frustation anyway and the rush after completing the hard stuff.

Since this thread is already dying, does anyone know why Deplore and cactu quit? I thought cactu had arm and hand problems, but he posted a ton of replays on replays.gensokyo, so I'm sure he can still play a little.

>>18151598
Nobody knows or cares about e-celebs

Isn't it such a happy day for 2hu newb like myself. I completed both eosd and pcb with continues on normal. I'm going to 1cc shit later on. Eventually.

>>18151844
It's a start. Keep at it and you'll get somewhere before you realize. Remember to use different shottypes once in a while, you may realize you overlooked something on previous runs.

>>18151844
I remember my 1st eosd clear with continues. It was pretty fucking nice. It's a nice beginning.

I have 1cc'ed all games on normal and extras with relative ease (unless you count PCB's phantasm stage, that took a while), but now I've reached LoLK and I get raped in stage 3, the best I've done is reach Clownpiece with like a couple lives and then she beats the hell out of me, getting kinda demotivated.

>>18152216
I'd suggest maybe trying PD first, just to get a general feel of stages and spells, then go ahead with Legacy.

>>18149009
Who are you quoting?

>>18151028
As someone who played the games in order from HRtP to HSiFS, I really don't see much of a change. Reimu got grumpier I suppose. If there's character development in the print works I'd believe it, but really not in the games.

>>18151547
extra my dude
I hope you arent playing with hitboxes
good fucking luck youre gonna need it faggo

>>18152703
excellent post my dude

I'm one of the touhou newfags and I can't make it past stage 2 in MoF on normal, but I just 1cc'd the game on easy on my first try. Is that expected?

>>18154365
Yeah, for whatever reason the gap between easy and normal is the biggest. Even before I could 1cc, Easy was so easy that it was boring.

>>18152703
Hey thanks I had a close call but managed to pull through!

>>18154852
good job
when i was new to 2hu extra eosd was so fuggin hard

Someone make a new thread

>>18155342
Not yet. Once this thread is archived, then their will be a new one.

>>18152703
Extra is bullshit, can't even reach patchouli, I'll do it in like 10 years.

Help!

I've beaten
>EOSD Hard + Extra
>PCB Normal + Phantasm
>IN Normal + Extra

No problem. I feel really strong in those games.

I fired up MOF and yes, while it's a new game, I feel like shit. I can't dodge anything. It feels like Marisa's hitbox either got bigger, or bullet hitboxes changed in this new engine. Did the new engine change character movement or any hitboxes?

>>18156844
also am I supposed to more aggressively bomb with this new system? I'd feel embarrassed using bombs on stage 3 in past games, but here I feel like it's not a bad idea at all.

>>18156879
Yes, bomb everything in MoF.

Anyone know how to get EoSD to maximize properly on Windows? I have a 1440p monitor so the game's default resolution is too small to play on its own, and whenever I try to maximize the window the game just speeds up to an unplayable degree. I sometimes have this problem in other games but usually it works, even with PCB

Ok you guys are legit scaring me. Why have these threads gotten so much nicer recently?

>>18157129
Download vpatch

>>18157161
This thread felt a little more hostile than usual imo

>>18157302
it's nothing compared to how these threads were just a few months ago.

>>18157161
Seems the same to me. Yuyukofag is still avatarfagging but at least chartposting has slowed down.

>>18157311
Nah man Yuuyukoanon is good, he's always congratulating people on thier hard earned 1cc's and is a really nice guy all the time.

>>18154852
Yo me too dude! I was sweating for a second there.

>>18157371
Yeah everyone loves when 1 in every 3 posts adds nothing to the thread

>Beat Miko final spell with no life or bomb left and got my first TD normal 1cc
IN YOUR FACE

>>18157161
The threads are as good as always. Maybe a bit faster but that's about it.

Tasofro didn't even care about the bgm for AoCF and simply took most of the tracks from ULiL
It's really awful.

>>18156844
At first, MoF and onwards felt a lot faster for me. 10+ Reimu felt as fast as 6-8 Marisa. But you'll get used to it.
>>18156879
Yes.

Is it normal to find Patchy harder than Remilia? I can pretty consistently beat stage 6 on practise mode and have managed to capture Red Magic twice, but I haven't once been able to beat Patchy on practise mode. I have to bomb through pretty much every single one of her attacks, there's not a single one I can consistently do besides her first non-spell if I get good RNG with where she moves.

>>18157810
There are 58 tracks in AoCF. 11 of those are lifted directly from ULiL PC (character themes from Reimu to Mokou), 6 from ULiL PS4 (all the new tracks from that game except Horrible Night). That comes to 17. The other 41 songs are original or remixes made for this game.

"Most of the tracks" my ass. It's not even a third. Go fuck yourself.

>>18157924
Get used to reading criss-crossing patterns and do some slight routing.
Most of Patchy's cards aren't very hard, aside from the walling factor.

>>18157924
Here's a fun fact: bombing through a boss doesn't matter,

How do you make very small movements? MoF is my first game and I keep dying because I move way more than I intend to when I tap the arrow keys. It doesn't seem to be a consistent amount more than I'm expecting either. This is super discouraging and honestly makes me want to quit playing altogether.

>>18159348
Hold shift for focused movement.

>>18159348
Remember to use vpatch

>>18159348
If you're on the bottom of the screen, hold down, it's a trick I picked up after playing a lot of NT. Not sure if everyone else uses that, but it's what I do.

>>18159348
play with a controller

>>18159348
I used to have trouble and irrational worry with this when I was new too. It feels impossible and more of a matter of laws of physics than skill but you will get consistent at small taps as you get better.

>>18159348
the movement in MOF is fucked up.

>>18159736
great, guess I'll pick a different game

>>18159686
He's trying to win, anon

>>18146762
>worth playing
Yes absolutely. All official touhou material is worth experiencing. Mileage beyond the simple act of playing it can and will vary, though.
It technically has an Extra, but it's really just a tweak of the regular abnormal gameplay.

>>18159736
How? I've never had any problems with it.

>>18156844
okay this is what I was talking about. Booted up MOF and again, my hitbox feels bigger. Well I compared them and turns out Marisa is 1-2 pixels bigger in MOF. You can see her PCB sprite on the right. Fuck you ZUN

Is there a way to cheese koishi's 2nd spell card?
I always fuck up there

>>18160103
>1-2 pixels
You could just, you know, not tread so close to the edge and give yourself a little more space. That's hardly a difference that should matter, even if it's true.

>>18160126
The big blue bullets' hitboxes are much smaller than you think. Just find what looks like gaps and go there, even if it overlaps with your hitbox a little bit.

>>18159993
It's not scientific, but I compared Marisa's focused movements in PCB vs. MOF. I made the smallest movements possible, tapping the keys as light as I can, moving along the bottom of the screen. You can see that in MOF, the movements are much larger than those of PCB.

>>18160144
it's difficult enough when MOF allows less precise movement in my opinion. i just dont like the new engine, its gonna be a lot of muscle memory to rewrite.

>>18160144
how smaller?

>>18160168
Get vpatch running if you haven't. Mof is the last (but still one of) the games that have considerable input delay without it.

>>18160174
You can get about this close.

>>18160194
yeah ive always used vpatch. ill just have to adapt. ive been practicing sanae stage 5 over and over to get better with small gaps and this new movement. have to REALLY tap the keys lightly.

I have trouble going back to the earlier windows titles purely for the fact that they lack the items-suck-toward-you-while-focused gimmick of MoF-onwards. It's so satisfying.

ok ill stop bitching. i cleared MOF easily once I bombed aggressively, had 3 lives left.

>>18160452
congrats! which shot-type anon?

>>18160511
i used Marisa C. felt a little broken. maybe i should make a chart, I've beat EOSD hard and every extra after until MOF. suwako doesnt seem very hard so far

>>18160540
Suwako really easy. After you figure out the gimmick in each spellcard (or just watch a replay) you will never die to them again.

HSiFS v1.00b when? It's ridiculous how long ZUN has allowed a game crash bug to go unpatched, even if it is just in spell practice.