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I liked AT:Q fuck the haters

>>18115762
I want those cute Suelle tapestries.

If I regret buying Sophie and I regret buying Firis will I regret buying Lydie & Suelle? I have the other 2 boxes and my autism makes me want to buy the last one just for the sake of completeness.

Suppose I have a few million dollars in bitcoin. How do I buy out Gust from KT?

>>18117522
Might as well just hire Hidari and a few programmers. The talent at gust has obviously left. I don't think a single one of the game designers or scenario writers from Arland is at Gust anymore.

Guys, I got a million dollar idea on my hands. Okay, so what if the next Atelier game was "Confectioner" where you run a bakery and make sweets? Gust saved.

Or if that's no good, how about "Atelier [name] ~The Detective Alchemist~"?

>>18118431
Wait, I got one more thing. Call it Atelier Casey ～The Detective Alchemist～, like a detective solving a case.

An idea I honestly had was an NIS GUST cross over with alchemy mechanics but in a makai kingdom setting with the Disgaea art style and writing but Atelier like crafting mechanics. The main mechanic will be using alchemy to craft demons that will be your minions and weapons for them, rather than traveling the world you send out your minions to go collect ingredients but when you send them too far into human territory the humans see it as an invasion an send an attacking force to deal with you. After a lot of misunderstanding people think the main character is out to conquer the world so she is forced to defender her self by making stronger monster, demons, dragons and magical potions. Eventually through only wanting to defend herself, a bunch of misunderstanding, minions not following orders, and gross incompetence on her part, she actually becomes strong enough to conquer the world or creates a creatures that does so and everyone unites to defeat it.

All she wanted to do was bake some pies.

>>18118588
t. person who things Iris and Mana Khemia are the best Atelier games and wants to turn the series into generic NIS shit

>>18118141
You think wrong, because from Rorona through to Firis the games have all largely shared the same staff of producer, directors, game designers, and scenario writers. Which just makes things more confusing, really.

>>18118617
I think Violet and Meruru are the best games. Never finished MK because the text is too small on the psp, it actually made my eyes hurt.

>>18118636
Okay, my ideas are better.

>>18118649
Are you the atelier bakery guy? If you yes. That would be amazing. Especially if they used real recipes you could make irl to enjoy while you are playing. If you are the detective one, it would only work if it's a milky holmes clone.

>>18118669
I did both.

>>18118669
And yeah, I meant something lighthearted for Atelier Casie ～The Alchemy of the Great Detective～. Not like solving murder cases.

>>18118673
You had one great idea and a kinda crappy one. I would like an edgy atelier as well where people die, maybe Dusk during the events that cause the Dusk to happen. A tale of one alchemist's hubris and divine punishment.

>>18118649
You don't think Rorona accidentally taking over the netherworld, conquering earth then eventually taking on celestia it self is a great idea?

>>18118685
>>18118718
What makes Atelier unique is how it's a lighthearted slice of life series. I don't want them turning it into a generic RPG again, especially not if NIS is involved. And ESPECIALLY not if it used Disgaea's shit art style.

>>18118738
>Disgaea's shit art style
Sorry but Disgaea's art is pure sex. Only Mel and Hidari can even compare.

>>18118588
Did you play Cross Edge or Trinity Universe? They're both plagued by Compile Heart's touch of kusoge, but if you can get over that it's the closest thing to what you're suggesting.

>>18118685
>>18118738

Though Elie has a rather dark backstory, with plagues killing whole villages and her being a survivor to such an incident that got only saved because of Marie making an Elixir for her.

>>18118685
>I would like an edgy atelier
NO

>>18118377
>not Pâtisserie Sophie

>>18118685
>edgy atelier

Awful, anon. Go play berseria or something.

I'm more of a Rorona guy myself, but Totori is a qt

>>18118598
cute

Anyone beat Lydie & Suelle yet?

>>18122130
I don't think it's even arrived for most people yet.

Gust's producers showed up in the 4gamer end of the year interview and Atelier will continue as expected. Tsuchiya was also interviewed, but unfortunately wasn't in the same universe as us this year.

http://www.4gamer.net/games/999/G999905/20171225028/index_4.html

>>18125928
>Atelier will continue as expected
Shocking.

>>18125928
Great, what does that mean? He's focusing entirely on kakutora, he's washing away life's sorrows with Ion, or he's working on something new?

>>18126363

Maybe he's going to another world beyond the Seven Dimensions to find inspiration.

>>18125928

No Blue Reflection 2 then?

>>18126363
I'm reading this as "Help, I'm locked up with this weird mobage and don't get to work on real games."

>>18127073
What are you basing that on?

Would be nice if there's a new game like Ar Tonelico. The music is godly.

Wow, this scene was really good and well written, the OST was perfect and the pace of the scene was really nice, it's also placed nicely in the story. I wish more scenes were like this, you get a genuine look at what the characters are feeling. I had forgotten this scene but playing it again made me remember why I liked Sophie. It also made me connect with her as I have had loss in my family recently.

What are the pros of Ar Tonelico? I hear a lot of shit about it but it sounds interesting

>>18137806

As cons, the gameplay is highly variable in quality and there is a lot of fanservice, but a pros the series has one of the best constructed worlds out there, well-developed characters, great stories and some of the best soundtracks ever composed.

>>18138469
>there is a lot of fanservice
How is this a con?

>>18138731

Some people get so hung in the fanservice that they are unable to see anything else.

So which atelier MC has the most interesting life? Ayesha comes to mind considering she's a wanted terrorist that blows up old ruins.

https://nyaa.si/view/989597
https://nyaa.si/view/992461

Anon will you play Atellier Sophie from begining if you lost your savedata with 90% game progress?

>>18143647
Definitely.

You know Ar Tonelico/Surge Concerto games are better because they don't try to shoehorn in so much disgusting gay yuri crap.

Any atelier games where you can change your costume/hairstyle?

I've noticed Atelier fans and Neptunia fans seem to hate each other. Why is that?

>>18147371
I made a video

So what's the consensus on Lydie&Suelle? Did it live up to the hype?

>>18147371
It's mostly shitposting. I'm not a fan of the Neptunia games but I don't hate them, and they've undoubtedly been getting better.

>>18140210
Why the fuck not FLAC. Jesus.

>>18147835
Chinks selling FLACs for points on their forums that you can get from either paying them or shitposting in chinkrunes there.

>>18147978
Which chink forums?

>>18147306
Most of the 3D games have costumes but visual customization hasn't been a focus of the series.

>>18148588
Huh, I see your character gradually grow over the course of years can be cool though

>>18147835
Because FLAC is pointless bloat that no one needs.

>>18147371
Back when Neptunia first started getting popular in /v/ every single Atelier thread was shat up by people spamming Neptunia in it and saying how much better it was. I doubt it was even really Neptunia fans, but rather just shitposters who wanted to cause a fanbase war. Either way they succeeded and the fanbases have hated each other since, and the Neptunia shitposting in Atelier threads is still going on to this day.
It doesn't help that Atelier fans are butthurt about Atelier not being anywhere near as big a success in the west despite Atelier being a much better series.

>>18148895
>despite Atelier being a much better series.
That's your opinion

>>18148895
With the way things are lately I'd hate for something I liked to gain popularity in the West. Atelier fans should consider themselves lucky.

>>18148895
>>18148986
I don't want to sound like a hipster but I don't really want it to be popular in the west either. I mean, in order for it to do that it would have to change into something I wouldn't like.

>>18149073
All Atelier needs to be popular is for KT to stop being retarded and actually market it properly, which they haven't done at all since acquiring it.

>>18149073
Ar Nosurge was really popular for its time though

>>18150864

Too bad that didn't get reflected in the sales numbers.

atelier is getting more popular now that time limits are finally dead.

although atelier will die down again if they go back to having timers. not many people want to ng+ jrpgs, they want to take their time and experience all the content in 1 playthrough without having to use a guide to carefully plan everything.

im fine with atelier either way but killing the time limit gives it more of a chance to appeal to normies and potentially new curious fans.

>>18152265

Considering the sales, I'd have to say you're being delusional here.

Just got my LydieSuelle box finally. With this, I now have all the original PS3/4 JP premium boxes of Arland, Dusk, and Mysterious. I really hope they go back to the Arland/Dusk style of boxes for the next trilogy. They were smaller but used higher quality material and were more sturdy. I had a hard time just opening the LydieSuelle box because the cardboard lip was really stubborn and I was trying not to tear it. The huge boxes look nice but they're harder to display too. Also disappointed that a corner was damaged slightly. CDJapan wrapped it in like 6 different layers of bubble wrap though so I'm not sure it's on them. It's really minor luckily and not very noticeable. Also, anyone know what's on the music CD? I'm a little worried because it's called "extra tracks and pleasure CD" or something like that. This better not be a self-insert type of thing like with Nep games where it's just a track of them fucking talking to you, otaku-kun. I'm assuming it's just the usual extra music tracks and that they haven't sunk that low. Tapestry is very cute too. That Lydie butt is for Suelle.

>>18152265
Time limit or not it's not related though. It's about creating a good game, with a good promotion, and can be accepted by everyone, or at least bigger fanbase than what gust trying to aim last few years.

Are there any Gust games where you can play the saxophone?

>>18153555
You should never really try to appeal to everyone. Atelier never has and probably never will. I just want more yuri personally.

is the new atelier good? i never got around to getting into the series but I've always wanted to. it looks a little weird for some reason but i have no idea what i'm talking about.

>>18155243
I don't think anyone here has played it yet.

>>18155243
Best in the series imo

>>18157212
How far are you?

>>18158117
I haven't played it but judging from the trailers and stuff

>>18149097
Lydie & Suelle was pretty well marketed. They had a TVCM, a demo, demo booths, store displays.

If you could live inside a Gust game for one year which would you choose

Arland games on PC when

>>18159145
Hopefully never.

>>18159369
Go choke on a dick.

>>18159401
And take away business from you? I would never.

>>18140210
OST is good but the vocal album is really lacking.

>>18158989
We're talking about in the west here.

>>18155243
Try the demo if you can. Personally I really enjoyed the content that the demo offered.

Haven't been here in years - you guys are still creating Gust / Ar tonelico threads? Awesome, keep the love alive

I'm currently replaying this inspiring franchise to show it to gf - all those feels again. We'll start with AT2 tomorrow night.

Furthermore: You guys are aware that aquagon is currently working on an emulated and translated version of Ciel nosurge?

And lastly, has anyone here caught any news about a sequel to Ar nosurge? Hoping for it every single day.

>>18164261
Tsuchiya is stuck working on some mobage as far as I remember. No word on sequel out yet.

>>18164261
>Furthermore: You guys are aware that aquagon is currently working on an emulated and translated version of Ciel nosurge?

Actually, it's not emulated, but he's indeed working on making a patch for the game itself alongside RyleFury, the guy who did pretty much the entirety of the hacking in AT2.

>>18164261
Release when

>>18164261
I want to see
Another
Fucking
AR TONELICO GAME

>>18165416
Ask Bandai.

>>18165846
Ok soon Fate/Extra CCC

Cloche or Luca?

>>18165893
Jakuri. But Cloche if I have to choose.
Fuck Luca.

>>18166098
I did her first time I played years ago...

Gonna pick someone else for the replay with the retranslation. Was honestly temptin' Luca since I never did her path for phase1 but idk

Does anyone have experience with running Trinary on an emulator? I've been trying to use Nox and BlueStacks but both get stuck in the prologue or right after you try to skip the prologue. Is there a way around this?

>>18164862

Okay interesting, but please elaborate: What’s the difference? I guess his patch will be playable on a PC, rather than a Vita?

>>18166098

You're an imbecile who didn't understand anything about the game if the only thing you have to say about Luca is that.

>>18167237
It's not an emulated version of the game. In other words, that it'll be playable on the Vita just like the original game is, it won't be playable on PC.

>>18167865
Just because I understand Luca doesn't mean I have to like her.

>>18167897

And just because you don't like her doesn't mean you have to be speaking ill of her without need.

>>18167870

Thanks for the clarification. Good news for me - I'll finally have an excellent use for my vita

>>18167897

I do like Luca, but prefer Cloche. And Jacqli isn't too bad, either.

AT2 simply has the best girls, hands down.

>>18168094
>Jacqli

Although I like most of the heroines across the series, Jakuri is quite good herself. But the quoted name isn't to be ever used.

How many times have you replayed each ar tonelico game?

>>18161382
This kind of game won't catch on in the west no matter how much you market it.

>>18170419
I've played them all 0 times.

>>18171114
You're shit

>>18170419
I played the first one once, the second one twice and the third one thrice.

>>18171663
That's good

If I can run NoA1 on my toaster, can I run the second game too?

First Ar Tonelico was the best it was a great cpmfy adventure. 2 was too chaotic and too small.

>>18175184
Comfy is a shit argument for anything. But you're right that 1 was an actual adventure, 2 is walking back and forth between the same five areas for 30 hours. The budget downgrade was really obvious.

>>18175237
Well, the music, art and plot made me feel a nice, sunny sensation.

I didn't knew there was a budget downgrade between the two. Why? Wasn't it the golden age for gust at the time?

>>18175304
Gust's golden age was with Arland, before that nothing they made since Atelier Elie was selling very well, though Ar tonelico did sell a lot better than the Ateliers of the time. Still, the downgrade was pretty obvious when you compare the quality of the sprites and the variation in environments between them, with how many assets in 2 are copy pasted despite there being fewer areas than in 1.

>>18175184

2 actually did a better work of implementing the concepts they had introduced 1 and expanding on them with them finally introducing Metafalss after only talking about it in the Hymmnoserver and the AT1 books, showing how the Metafalssians actually made their own technologies or improved on First Era tech to survive in a harsher environment than Sol Ciel (Hello? The small areas are the point of the game because the Rim is much smaller than the Wings of Horus, to say nothing of the Second Tower being the smallest of the three and also being incomplete. The conflict behind the creation of Metafalica larger would have made no sense if the region was larger).

Also, AT1 bears the sin of its Cosmospheres not being properly integrated into its plot and that a few of its events outright contradict the lore on how Song Magic and Diving work.

>>18175237
>>18175357

There was no budget downgrade, and bringing in the sprite quality as evidence is idiotic, as the sprite style was the same one that Gust had been using for Atelier Iris 3 and Mana Khemia. Plus, AT1 didn't really have that much variety in environments taking in account how the Tower interiors tileset was reused over and over, let alone sections of the Tower's own map being rooms that were copy-pasted whole.

>>18175237
>>18175357
>>18176362

Additionally, how a budget downgrade would translate to AT2 having more songs and anime FMVs than AT1, or hiring top-tier voice actors like Takehito Koyasu, Miyuki Sawashiro, Ami Koshimizu or Hikaru Midorikawa for voicing the characters?

That doesn't translate to budget cuts no matter how you try to spin it.

>>18138731
It's hamfisted and out of place next to the worldbuilding and character development

I want Suelle to stomp me

>>18177376

Some of the fanservice is actually PART of the worldbuilding. Given the Reyvateils' minds are based off human ones, and humans are sexual creatures by nature, it would be absurd for such things to not be in their minds in some way.

Okay so I’ve reached the point in AT2, where I have to make the choice which path I want to take...
... and I honestly can’t remember which path is the better one for a first time player (in case of my gf)

What would you guys recommend? Should we go for Cloche or Luca story-wise?

>>18178510
Jacqli

>>18178510

Either is good as long as you check the other path later. Both have their own share of route-exclusive areas and scenes.

>>18177376
DD: The Ar tonelico's games have attracted some criticism from certain critics in the west for their sexualised content. Do you think this will be an issue with Ar nosurge as well?
AT: Is this criticism from someone who has played the game? The Ar tonelico series did have scenes where there was physical contact between male and female characters, but that was solely as a means to express the “bonds” between the characters. The main character enters the mental world of the heroine, and by unleashing strong emotions, powerful song magic is born. In order to show the true heart of the heroine, we had to show the real relationships – from friendship to sexual relations - between male and females; otherwise characters would just be symbolic and fake.

>>18177376
Is this criticism from someone who has played the game? The Ar tonelico series did have scenes where there was physical contact between male and female characters, but that was solely as a means to express the “bonds” between the characters. The main character enters the mental world of the heroine, and by unleashing strong emotions, powerful song magic is born. In order to show the true heart of the heroine, we had to show the real relationships – from friendship to sexual relations - between male and females; otherwise characters would just be symbolic and fake.

In Ar tonelico, we took theme of the strongest bond between humans as being the bond between men and women, as well as the deepening of bonds between partners, so having no situations of direct interactions between male and female characters would be humanly impossible.

In Ar nosurge there are elements like this. But it is necessary in order to show the growing bond between the main character and heroine. I think this is something that the people who actually play the game will understand.

So if there are people who just look at the visuals of the game and pick up only on characters dressed skimpily or screenshots of slightly titillating scenes and make a fuss about it, then similar criticism may arise for this title. But this is not the essence of the game, and in order to show the true hearts of humans and their bonds with one another, I do not intend on compromising on this.

>>18179416
He could be talking about the silly crystal insertion scenes that every game seemed to want to stick in there.

>>18176362
>There was no budget downgrade, and bringing in the sprite quality as evidence is idiotic, as the sprite style was the same one that Gust had been using for Atelier Iris 3 and Mana Khemia.
Or maybe those games had less budget too, since Iris sold like crap.
>Plus, AT1 didn't really have that much variety in environments taking in account how the Tower interiors tileset was reused over and over, let alone sections of the Tower's own map being rooms that were copy-pasted whole.
The tower interior is the only part of the first game that has an issue of asset reuse, as opposed to loads of areas in 2 using the same environment assets regardless of where they were.

>>18176384
Easy, they focused their budget more on the songs and actors and reserved less for the visuals.

>>18179702
the cosmospheres reused even characters from the storyline that had no place being there because they didn't want to draw another sprite. very lazy

>>18180622
And 2 reused backgrounds from the cosmospheres of the first game.

>>18180622
Probably because the AT programmers were very lazy, so they render characters that the reyvateil/diver know. Programmers being lazy seems like a universal constant, both in our world and in EXA_PICO. Look at some of the bugs Sarly left in Ar nosurge, fucking TxBIOS don't even work.

>>18181497
You can run into Shurelia in Aurica and Misha's cosmopheres before you see her outside of her armoured suit, though.

Finally received my copy.
PS4 reviews at Amazon looks pretty promising. Switch version has graphics complains. Will see how this goes.

>>18179416
I don't think any of that needs to be conveyed using meme fetish outfits and wacky humor straight out of a third rate seasonal anime.

>>18182046
why did you buy two inferior versions?

>>18182206
Because I don't have a PS4.

>>18182054
>I don't think any of that needs to be conveyed using meme fetish outfits
Reactions to "meme fetish outfits" can tell a lot about characters in a way that's concise and contributes to gameplay.

>>18182525
But why did you buy two?

>>18179702
>Or maybe those games had less budget too, since Iris sold like crap.

Or they just overhauled the sprites' look because they wanted, just like it happened in the transition from Elie to Lilie or Lilie to Judie. Plus, as if the battle sprites in AT2 didn't have a similar look to the ones from AT1 or were even better animated than them.

>Easy, they focused their budget more on the songs and actors and reserved less for the visuals

Now you're contradicting yourself because the anime FMVs also fall in the category of visuals.

>>18180895

>And 2 reused backgrounds from the cosmospheres of the first game.

In spite of the fact they also drew multiple new backgrounds, more than the ones they reused. And it'd make no sense if they hadn't reused at least the ones for the Tower of Life or the Stonehenge due to these being a standard part of the Cosmospheres' structure.

>>18181497
>>18181627

>Probably because the AT programmers were very lazy, so they render characters that the reyvateil/diver know.

They already gave an in-universe explanation for it: Reyvateils are connected to each other to the Tower and it's possible for their consciousnesses to seep into each other's Cosmospheres even if they haven't personally met.

Also, they didn't "reuse characters from the story for the Cosmospheres", they merely used the portraits for Jakuri as stand-ins for other people in only two specific sections of the Infelsphere.

>Look at some of the bugs Sarly left in Ar nosurge, fucking TxBIOS don't even work.

More than Sarly, blame Tecmo-Koei for rushing development for all of Gust's games ever since they took over.

>>18159145
Actually I'm hoping for this too. My console died ages ago so my copy of Rorona is just piling dust right now, rather than buying a whole new ps I'd prefer if Koei massively ported previous games.

Guess it's all up to the market tho, Sophie and Firis did pretty well in sales, didn't they? That would be a start.

>>18183445
Sophie did, Firis tanked. As did all of the other Gust games on PC.

>>18184664
Lydie & Suelle sold over a million copies in its first week on PC alone

>>18182987
I wanted the Suelle tapestry from wondergoo and sofmap, and I have all previous Ateliers on Vita, so might as well complete the collection.
The sofmap tapestry is missing from the box though. Not sure if JSS misplaced it when packing my order, or customs confiscated it. Trying to contact both of them atm.

Which EXA_PICO game had the best soundtrack?

>>18186350
Maybe unrelate but AT3 is the only one where I didn't go for the 3rd girl my first time. Couldn't not go for Finnel.

>>18186350
Don't know about best but Ar Nosurge has my favorite.

>>18182046
So how does undocked switch compare to vita version?

>>18187748
Vita has no shadows, water is flat shading., almost no lighting outside of several scenes. Though, tt makes frame rate pretty smooth, and the colors look really bright.

Undocked Switch tries to apply some graphics effect (limited shadow & lighting), but it makes 3d models looks slightly dark instead. Characters also look blur and jaggy. They might be using Vita's low res model for characters, then upscaled them on the fly.

Overall doesn't seem like GUST put a lot of effort into QC-ing both Switch's and Vita's graphics.

>>18186350
All of them

It has been a month. Not a single trace left about the sales.

>>18184793
I wish

Vita

>>18191771
Switch undocked

Maybe I'll re-play both from the beginning tonight and take more screenshots just to see how it compares.

Vita version uses flat shading for most things, and pre-baked shadows. Switch version tries to do half-assed lighting, and you often end up with something like this.

>>18191797
Also, models for characters looks really blurry above certain camera distance on Switch.
On Vita it's a lot less noticable because of the smaller screen and lower resolution.

Vita.

>>18191797
The PS4 demo can get as bright as that too

>>18191771
>>18191776
Switch definitely looks better here.

>>18191797
>>18191809

Do you have any screenshot of the docked version?

>>18192323
Only have 1 to compare at the moment, I don't think it shows that much. Here's undocked.

>>18192435
and here's docked.

Need to go to an area with intense lighting effect to compare.

>>18192435
>>18192445
Only difference I saw was the lighting in the background being more diffused with the docked version and maybe the outline got thicker on undocked. Other wise the model looks identical. Thanks.

Some comparison.
Top to bottom : PSV - NSW handheld mode - PS4 (Pro).

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>>18194648
>>18194664
Good lord, the Vita version is horrific. And I was thinking with the previous comparisons that it didn't look that bad.

>>18194664
Too lazy to set the same time for NSW version on this one. Sorry.

>>18194684
Yes, Vita version removes a lot of objects and replace some (such as grass and patches of flowers) with textures. I didn't take a screenshot of the overlooking view of the town at the beginning of the game, but the town looks very empty on Vita version. Switch removed some objects, but areas still look dense overall.

Last one.
Should be clear enough by now.
As for docked vs portable Switch, I heard the only difference is docked mode applies blur effect to distant objects and diffuses distant lights. I might do a comparison if I'm bored.

The NSW version looks like there's a soft mist (or soft gaussian blur?) applied to the entire screen.

>>18194732
Wow, if it wasn't for the minimap I'd think these were three different areas.

>>18194732
I don't know why anyone would play on Vita or Switch. Atelier is not a portable series.

I bet the PC edition will have Switch-tier graphics.

Lucia and Illmeria are being added as DLC characters.

Would you consider atelier games to be visual novels?

>>18195975
It's the kind of game you want to play in bed but not anywhere else.

>>18196122
I played atelier on a crowded flight and was fine besides at one point someone telling me to turn the sound down (I lowered it by exactly one tick and he didn't bother me again)

>>18196117
Not really. Atelier could be considered ADV but there's too much gameplay for it to be solely a VN. It would be relevant to point out that there are proper VNs in the Atelier series, like Hermina & Culus, or Elkrone.

>>18196117
Not even close.

>>18196117
Not at all.

>>18194648
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>>18194759
Switch version looks better than I expected, although PS4 is clearly the way to go if it's an option. Vita looks horrendous.

>>18194648
How is the performance on PS4? Decent or as bad as Blue Reflection?

>>18196709
On the standard PS4 the demo ran fine, notably better than Blue Reflection or Firis.

>>18196148
You better have been using headphones.

>>18196088
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>>18196112
>those DLCs
They're quickly learning the Koei Tecmo's way to DLCs I see.

>>18198326
1,000 yen for each character, 8,800 yen for the season pass. Can't wait for them to do the same thing in the west having learnt nothing from Blue Reflection.

>>18198326
I'm happy about them adding more characters since that was definitely needed but everything else is getting kind of excessive. Are we at least getting the usual free challenge map that they always do? I see that there's paid yoru and BR ones but I hope we still get the free one. And I wish that fag would keep yoru out of Atelier. Stop crossing over all your stuff, Gust. I hope the DLC characters are available at the western launch of the game because this will be the first time I actually but Atelier DLC.

http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/659/1659890/
According to Dengeki, LydieSuelle sold 4775 copies of PS4 version during their second week of release. The Switch and Vita didn't make it to top 50. Fiftieth place is 2960 units sold, so it's less than that. So at this point, total unit sold is anywhere between 40k～45k.

In the demo how so I switch between characters? I don't want to be Lydie.

>>18194648
>>18194664
God, I can't wait for the Vita to die and get replaced with Switch. I bet that the Mysterious series would look a lot better than it does if it wasn't for having to cater to this cancerous outdated console.

>>18203149
Go to the cabinet where you save/load. It's one of the options

>>18203547
Thanks anon I'll never forget you.

>>18200145
The game didn't sell, we already know about that fact.

>>18203619
Hopefully digital sales make up for some of it.

>>18203650
Are digital sales even tracked?

>>18204300
Not publicly.

With all the sales numbers posted it's important to realize that third party companies provide the numbers. These numbers only come from select retailers that are contracted to provide the information.

>>18204442
I was thinking that digital sales have probably become more prominent this generation as apposed to back with Arland and Dusk back on the PS3. It's possible that LydieSuelle didn't actually sell as badly as we think first week because there may have been more digital sales while back then it was mostly just physical sales. If I remember correctly, full game downloads weren't as big on the PS3.

>>18204442
That's always the case though. Why do you say this as though the numbers aren't representative, when they've been obtained in the same way for all the other titles to compare it to?

>>18204656
Not that anon but my point about digital sales being more popular nowadays is my guess. Digital version is cheaper and you have to install the full game either way, it's possible that there's more Japanese gamers going digital. If the media create sales don't track digital then the numbers could be misleading. Of course, I really have no idea how much digital sales they get now compared to back on the PS3. I'm assuming there's probably more digital sales today though.

>>18204623
>I was thinking that digital sales have probably become more prominent this generation
Ratio has been changing significantly, Falcom gave some good insight on it after Sen no Kiseki III's release.
>>18204656
Trying to assert sales figures based on incomplete numbers isn't remotely accurate. You can get a minimum known value, but that's far from total units sold.

>>18204789
>Trying to assert sales figures based on incomplete numbers isn't remotely accurate. You can get a minimum known value, but that's far from total units sold.
The numbers have been incomplete ever since digital distribution became a thing, and it's been a thing since Rorona. If you want to argue that the reported physical sales have consistently gone down in comparison to digital sales going up, then sales for the games should logically follow a trend, but they don't. The sensible assumption to make is that the figures are still representative (and given Gust/KT's own released reports, they are), and not to claim that L&S selling poorly is totally only because it has way more digital sales for no reason, guys.

>>18204851
KT's 2015/2016 report specifically notes an upwards trend in digital sales.

>and not to claim that L&S selling poorly is totally only because it has way more digital sales for no reason
I didn't mean to imply that, but I understand how "far from total" would make it seem like I was. The launch looks weaker than Firis and nobody can really deny that. It's unlikely that digital sales make up the difference.

>>18204851
I wasn't really implying that. Just wanted to bring it up since its something to take into consideration. It may still not have done great but digital is more known about and used today compared to the previous generation. Also, something to think about is Vita and Switch being portable. I'm not an expert on Japanese culture but from what I understand, they utilize mobile gaming a lot. I could easily see these two being more likey to get digital sales though physical would still be the majority. Arland and Dusk games launched on home consoles and didn't get Vita versions until the ports. Again, not saying that it was the best launch ever but I think the environment today may be a little different.

Is Mana Khemia worth playing?

>>18209185

It's a fun game, but it's nothing like the core Atelier games.

>>18204623
>>18204744
>>18204789
>>18204851
>>18205070
>>18205319
On the PS3, almost all of my games were physical. On the Vita, about half of my games are physical (primarily because of Sony's bullshit proprietary storage making digital impractical). I currently own 11 Switch games (4 of which are $40+) and only a single one of them is physical; I do not intend to buy any other physical games as cartridge swapping is a hassle (but no problem if you own exactly 1 physical game), every single release is available digitally nowadays, and proper MicroSD support makes storage no problem at all. I even found myself paying extra to get digital instead of physical once because it was just so much more convenient.

Digital on consoles is growing very fast, and I think in particular for the Switch - the first handheld to have all releases available digitally and also a handheld with cheap storage - physical sales numbers are no longer reliable.

Though I'm not saying L&S's sales were not bad; it's the kind of title that appeals to players who usually prefer old-fashioned physical releases, so digital release sales are probably dependent on how many people beyond the usual fans bought the game - something which is very hard to guess at.

>>18209185
It's not bad. MK1/2 and Iris3 actually have some of the better battle systems in the series.

>>18209185
Yes, yes very much.

>>18209185
Yes. I think they overrated a bit but still very good.

When is L&S due out in English?

>>18209251
Mana Khemia had the sweetest battle system, I don't understand why Gust couldn't have kept that and just renovated the rest.

It was really fast paced and I loved Roxis shuffling the turn cards around.
We still have turn cards in the newer Ateliers, and they can still be moved around, but none as fun as Roxis.

>>18194684
>>18203452
The Vita won't die off so easily; I've been playing lots of indie games on it lately.
Yomawari, Htol;Niq, Shin-Yomawari, and Roze and the Twilight Castle.

I completed Nights of Azure 1, 2 lately.

The game was grindy as hell, but I've become quite attached to the characters.
With how Nights of Azure 2 ended, we're bound to get a 3rd installment, right?

>>18219330
Late March.
>>18219479
I think if there is a Yoru3 Gust would take a longer time to get it right. Same with BR2.

>>18219970
I do hope Gust spends more time to get it right. The soundtrack and Yoshiku's designs are god tier. It's just held back by poor gameplay.

>>18222344
I personally liked the gameplay in 2 which was a huge improvement over 1. The story and characters were just not really developed. Still hoping for a 3rd instaölment though.

Do you guys think this outfit is based on Atelier games and if so which character outfit does it closest resemble?
https://wiki.mabi.world/view/Ruby_Adorned_Alchemist_Suit_%28F%29

>>18222534
Looks vaguely Arland inspired.
It would be closest to Rorona's, but it takes some elements from Totori's outfit (mostly the back ribbon).

>>18222534

Probably like the anon above said Rorona if anything. Seems like it'd be a really shitty bastardization of Arland if so though. Crappy gradients and it doesn't really seem to work out together like most of the Arland outfits do in a weird way

>>18222376
The True End in Yoruku2 was terrible. Rue gets left alone while Alushe and Liliana disappears into the ether? Really?
The normal end was preferable, at least poor Rue wasn't kept waiting for someone who might not come back before she grows old and passes.

Meanwhile Arnice goes to the east to find a surprisingly agile Lilysses.
How many years between the events of the two games?

I started Atelier Sophie yesterday and played a couple of hours. It is my first atelier game and I was wondering if the whole game is only "side quests" or will there be "main quests" too?

So far it has only been getting ideas for recipes and unlocking memories. Is this all there is to it or will the story pick up later?
I like it so far don't get me wrong but I thought that there would be more.

>>18226531
That's all it is until the last few hours where you suddenly have to save the world.

I just want more EXA_PICO it just makes me so sad we probably won't get more

>>18230266

What why? I thought Akira Tsuchiya said we'll get more in the future?

I don't have a PS3. How do i play Arland games?
No Vita pls.

>>18232173
Emulate it on the master race

>>18232173
Buy a PS3.

How can I enable the time limits again for Rorona+

>>18237849
The time limit is only removed during Overtime. You could go to NG+ to get back to the time limit but there is a lot of exclusive content limited to Overtime.

>>18238250
Overtime still has a limit, though.

what the frick does buri hamachi mean

So is Liddy's game good or its mysterious?

Any news on the CnS patch?

>>18240004

Be patient. A game like that isn't going to be translated in just a couple months, especially given how Vita game hacking is still a mostly uncharted territory.

>>18241536
>>18241546
Suelle is so much better than Lydie it's really not fair.

Got 2018 gust calendar, it’s really big 70x50cm but it’s a shame it got 2 months per page.
>>18242212
I like lydie better (but I haven’t started the game yet)

>>18242212
It's a universal truth that more expressive characters are better

>>18243912
I dont remember firis having such sizable bust.

>>18225954
Sample color doesnt mean much. Mabinogi dye is practically any color you can imagine of.

Why are these threads here and not on /vg/? Because /vg/ is too fast and the thread dies too soon?

>>18244019
Shes all grown up now

They are cutest together.

>>18244019
Where have you been, that's been the issue ever since they announced her game.

>>18246369
>They are cutest together.
Only because Lydie's ugliness makes Suelle look even cuter.

>>18239365
Impressions so far (I'm still around chapter 4):
- Graphically it's impressive if you're on PS4. I guess that's where most of the budget went. If you're on Switch, it's less so. Vita... why bother. Comparison already made above.
- Soundtrack doesn't make much impression. Sophie still has better soundtrack. The only reason the music got stuck in my head is because I have to listen to a variety of arrangement of the same tune for hours.
- Character animation and facial expression is limited and stiff. Scene transitions are pretty abrupt. After a while, you start to feel everyone's repeating the same pose and facial expression over and over. They might as well go back to using static 2D tachi-e with this kind of quality.
- Story is weak, but chapter 1 to 3 is a rushed tutorial, and I'm still on chapter 4.
- Some character interactions are also pretty weak, can't say at this point.
- Areas are now larger, and has densely packed objects (enemies, gathering points).
- No time limit, just like Sophie. Time of the day (morning, noon, evening) decides what kind of monster appear and loot you can collect, etc.
- They added more depth to Sophie's alchemy puzzle. (しょくばい？) It's unlocked after chapter 3. So don't be surprised if synthesis feels very basic at chapter 1.
- You can switch between Lydie and Suelle at any time. Doesn't seem to make any difference, other than the Atelier's and battle BGM. They're inseperable so far.
- Some of the character events are good, some are pretty weak. Overall it's okay.

Other thoughts:
- Lydie needs better hair style and clothes. Also better illustrator.
- Suelle has a specific tone to her lines, and talks in lingo sometimes. Sounds like your average Tokyo JK that tries hard to be cute and cool. Kinda cute at first, but can get irritating sometimes. (Un)fortunately, this will most likely get lost in translation. Imagine dubbers trying to talk like a western high school girl.
- Suelle has an amazing smug face.
- Suelle a cute.

>>18247384
>- Some character interactions are also pretty weak, can't say at this point.
>- Some of the character events are good, some are pretty weak. Overall it's okay.
Derp. I should get some sleep.

The only Gust game I've completed is Blue Reflection, I loved every single moment of it, I'm a sucker for cute girls doing cool things and the whole modern mahou shoujo aesthetic, I've tried atelier ayesha but got kinda bored, I dislike games with multiple endings or time limits, I've been lurking these threads hoping for Blue Reflection 2 or something, is there any chance of it happening?

>>18248003
Mel stated he wants to continue working on Blue Reflection, and is trying to find ways for it to continue. Gust hasn't really said anything confirming it.

Is EXA_PICO dead for good now or will we see it revived again at some point?

>>18249314
They still remember that they have Surge Concerto for their 25th anniversary Best Selection CD box, so there's that.

https://shop.salburg.com/product/gust25thCD/

>>18249323

Oh interesting!

As someone who had imported every EXA_PICO CD until now I have to wonder: Will this feature any new or unreleased stuff?

And are those CDs just selected songs or full soundtracks?

Would be happy if someone could clear this up for me! Thanks in advance

>>18249672

It's a best of-style release, so it doesn't seem it'll include anything new, and from EXA_PICO, it won't include anything that isn't from either Ciel nosurge or Ar nosurge according to the description.

>>18247384
sounds pretty bad
I guess the trilogy is confirmed kusoge then

>>18249835

Oh well thanks!

I think I'll get it anyway - maybe it'll support the right people to create more EXA_PICO stuff

>>18244061
Didn't say anything about the sample color.

>>18249323
Keeping my hopes up for something happening with this more than anything at this point

Who is the objectively best girl in each Ar Tonelico game?

>>18250682
1: Shurelia
2: Mir
3: Finnel

>>18250682
Misha
Jacqli
I dunno but probably the loli in chief.

>>18250682

None. They're all great on their own.

>>18250733
>Misha

It beats me how an even worse liar than Luca and a character that gets zero development whatsoever could be considered the best heroine in AT1.

>>18250682
Misha
Luca
Haven't played AT3
Nay

>>18250682
Shurelia
Mir
Finnel = Tilia

>>18249887
At least play it yourself. This is just one dudes opinion, it doesn't confirm anything.

>>18251611
Shurelia could've been the best, if GUST didn't make her the husbando NTR-ing whore that she is in Ar Nosurge.

>>18252523

It still doesn't change that Misha is crap as an heroine.
Plus, the only who makes Shurelia a NTR is the crappy player who decides to force Delta to do that.

>>18251669
Which Nay?

>>18251611
What do you mean, worse liar?

whats it like to have ___ with Sophie?

>>18255727
Like salty milk and pennies.

>>18255727
A sleepover? Full of cuddles and fun.

Anyone know if Lydie & Suelle will be getting a japanese art works book?

They make a game where you're an evil cute girl alchemist and use your powers of alchemy to conquer the world?

>>18255558

The whole thing about the Star Singers having to sing forever, which is everything her character is grounded upon, is false.

Star Singers have to get replaced after they have 30 years singing because Mir's seal weakens if they spend any more time doing so, but after when that happens, they merely are sent back to Platina and receive full support from the government to live as they please, their only final duties being having to train their immediate successor.

Misha literally lost her shit in the Toukousphere after Shurelia gave that explanation. Besides, she also has admitted to having acted like a drama queen about her circumstances only to get Lyner's attention and pity.

>>18256510
It probably will.

is it possible to get japanese voices for AT:MoE in the lazy people pack?

>>18256819
Is it an optional conversation? I don't remember that at all.

>>18259156

The normal game already has Japanese voices, the only problem being that the FMVs are forced into English.

>>18259160

Misha admitting her being a drama queen happens at the end of her Lv. 6 Cosmosphere.

As for the nature of the Star Singers, her meltdown was at the start of Toukousphere #18, while Shurelia's explanation was at the end of Toukousphere #17.

Why is she so perfect?

>>18259188
Oh, if the toukousphere is shurelia's then I completly skipped its entire dialogue because it was boring.

Don't remember the lv6 cosmosphere ether but then again i don't remember a whole lot about the dialogue.

All I know is that my man's hearth choose Misha

>>18259438
What an idiot.

>>18259661
Dude the toukousphere is long as fuck i'm not going to read all this shit.

>>18256819
To be fair, singing nonstop for 30 years will fuck your shit up.

It's like people who work on Wall Street, they work 20/7 for a few years then retire rich, because if they worked longer they would literally die.

>>18260005

Not like it's a problem for a Beta, who doesn't need to eat, drink, sleep or do any of the physiological functions humans and Third Generation Reyvateils do need.

>>18259707

Confirmed for idiot.

I want an Atelier game where they remove the shitty turn-based system and make it a full-on action RPG.

>>18260113
>i'm an idiot for not reading a long boring high school romance visual novel

I mostly like AT1 for it's great magitek setting and comfy atmosphere. I'm not going to read something that has nothing to do with it. I didn't do the one in Ar NoSurge either.

>>18260185
they tested that out with NoA, it was shit. do you really want atelier to turn into even more shit?

>>18260185
No. Turn based is better and Atelier is one of the few series that still uses it.

>>18260428
NoA was decent.

Is there any collection of all EXA_PICO light novels out there, preferably untranslated and in a Kindle-friendly format?

>>18260460
it was an incredibly stiff and restrictive hack and slash game. its painfully obvious that gust is inexperienced with the genre, both of them have terrible gameplay. i still liked the games but they are NOT good action games.

>>18260185
Go play something else.

>>18260478
I dont understand how game companies can still be "inexperienced" with genres.

Can't they just buy an existing popular action game like Nier Automata and put a few twists?

Imagine fighting Mistral or Christophorus with Nier Automata-style gameplay.

>>18260106
It's a psychological problem, and psychological problems are way more serious for reyvateils by their very nature.

>>18262118
>Imagine fighting Mistral or Christophorus with Nier Automata-style gameplay.
I'd rather not, since Automata's combat is just button mashing style over substance.

>>18262402
Which is still more exciting than what we have in Yoruku.

>>18262402
It was intended to look and feel good and add to the atmosphere, not as some ultra hardcore challenge.

>>18262118
>I dont understand how game companies can still be "inexperienced" with genres.
>Nier Automata
You do realize that Drag-On Dragoon/Nier was an action series for 14 years and they still had to hire Platinum to develop the gameplay for Automata, right?

Is it worth buying a pre-owned Vita to play Shallie Plus? For now I'm stuck with the unfinished PS3 version.

I have a hacked PSTV for the other Arland and Dusk games but the firmware doesn't allow Shallie Plus.

>>18260311

Yeah, you're an imbecile. The idea is sympathizing with the characters because that's what enables them to learn their stronger songs.

If you saw the Dives in such a light (newsflash, idiot: the Dives aren't high school romance visual novels) despite them being one of the core game systems, I don't know what the hell you were thinking with playing these games.

>>18263688
Jeez I was talking about Shurelia's Dive. I did read the other ones.

>>18263817

And Shurelia's Dive also shows her own problems, and also Mir's. But someone who didn't bother with it would never understand that.

>>18264941
That's fine. I started disliking Shurelia once she become thirsty for your dick for no reason.

>>18264958
>thirsty for your dick
Did you even play the game? Shurelia is Lyner's mother her feelings for him are not lustful

Anyone here has download links for Atelier drama CDs? I know way back in 2014, some guy uploaded the Eschalogy drama CD to Mediafire. Link is dead now unfortunately.

>>18262402
Button mashing on very hard doesn't tend to go too well. Keep in mind the gane was nicer intended to be a combo factory like DMC and Bayonetta.

>>18262402
Button mashing on very hard doesn't tend to go too well. Keep in mind the game was never intended to be a combo factory like DMC and Bayonetta.

Kinda off-topic but I've been playing the Monster Hunter World beta on the PS4 and while I mainly enjoy the combat gameplay, exploration and core mechanics of the game i can't help but kinda dislike the whole aesthetics bland OST and what is basically killing animals for fun, I kinda wish there was a game with mechanics and combat as fluid as that mixed with something like idk Blue Reflection, imagine going around as a cute magical girl and hunting demons all over a modern japanese town while this plays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSaXkQcrd48&t=..

>>18264998
She acted as a surrogate mother for him a couple times when he was a baby, but she isn't his mother. Origins can't even have kids, for starters.

>>18266214
>basically killing animals for fun
To be fair most hunt missions are because the target monster(s) is already causing problems or a known dangerous beast that's too close to town.
Also I don't think there's anything exactly like what you said yet but maybe check out Toukiden or God Eater.

>>18266355
So like some kind of reversed Genji plan. Shurelia raises Lyner so that she can be Lyner's future daughteru.

>>18249887
"Could use more polishing," is what I'm thinking. This is a lot of wasted potential, just like Blue Reflection. At this point, I think they just want to get done with the entire Mysterious series and move on.

>>18249887
>>18266976
I don't know, I felt it was the best Atelier since Ayesha. It's definitely a big improvement over Sophie and Firis. Then again I thought Blue Reflection was good and everyone hated that too.

>>18267015
Not saying Blue Reflection is bad. I liked it too, but I spend every moment playing it thinking, "man, they could've done better than this. What a waste." The same feeling lingers while playing LydieSuelle.

The Switch version could use a lot of contrast boost in certain areas.

>>18266710

Except she didn't raise him.

>>18267075
She did

>>18267056
and maybe color correction?
Colors look really washed out in certain scenes.

>>18267104

Bring up the book and page numer, Toukousphere issue or place in the game where it was said then. Otherwise, you're only making up bullshit.

>>18264998
Ok now I'm regretting not having dicked her.
Can she even get prego?

>>18270480

She doesn't even have any reproductive organs.

>>18270639
So you can't even jam it in? What a waste either way.

Don't want to link fagshockers but the western release of LydieSuelle is Japanese voices only. This is a good thing and honestly it should always be this way. Fuck wasting money to appeal to dubfags.

>>18275600
Not a huge surprise. Aren't there still a lot of English voice actors on strike anyway?

>>18275609
No clue.

>>18275609
I think they're on strike because they think they're not getting paid enough

>>18275600
I don't mind the dubs but usually only use them on my second or third playthrough of a game. I'm not happy to see them go but I'm not particularly torn up about it either.