/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Merry Christmas everyone. Stay safe. Oh and also, just because it's Christmas doesn't mean you're exempt from doing your reps.

What are some of the more difficult VNs to read?

>>18089941
hanahira

>>18089952
You're a big fat liar. I've already read it.

待ちきれないでおやすみした子に
きっとすばらしいプレゼントもって デス
さあ あなたから メリークリスマス デス
私から メリークリスマス デス
Santa Claus is comin' to town

デーーース

Back to Anki. I need a daily routine to do my reps, or it's hard for me to do it every day. Over 5000 cards to review, cut it down to under 5000 so far today with over 1000 reviews, maybe 1500 before bed. Hope to finish reviews before going back to work on the 8th and then do it (+read some books from aozora bunko if I have time) during my breaks.

Gimme Christmas related words for my mining deck

>>18089955
Difficulty is subjective. If you want to follow more DJT memes, then try Soukou Akki Muramasa

>>18089963
孤独

秋雲先生どんな顔してるんだろうか

Can someone tell me what the suru is applying to here? Is it "Face (akigumo) is making"?

>>18089962
What are you going to read?

>>18089963
絶望

>>18089990
顔する is "making a face"

Am I just a moron or is there no difference between the "en" circle and "en" yen kanji?

There seem to be 2 separate cards in the core 2k/6k anki deck for each them, but I can't tell them apart

>>18089971
Great, is there a list of some of the more "difficult" VNs out there?

>>18090006
Thank you, is this common with specific words or is it an archetype among obvious contexts like this?

>>18090028
They're the same. Just read them both as the same thing when you review since it's easy. You'll hit more words in the future like that like あがる which is annoying as fuck. Edit and mark them when you do so you know it's a different meaning.

>>18089962
If you need motivation to build a daily routine, remember that you wouldn't be in this fucking situation of 5000 reviews if you had a routine.

>>18090043
>Edit and mark them when you do so you know it's a different meaning.
Pretty sure they all have different kana after them and even if two had the same all you have to do is remember both readings

>>18090002
I started reading 吾輩は猫である a while back, but haven't been reading regularly. I would read on Kindle, but apparently "old" models don't even support Asian scripts for word lookup etc.
Otherwise maybe some Miyazawa stuff, haven't looked at much yet.

>>18090085
When my schedule is different every day and my work load varies constantly I can't do that, I know this already, I have studied for a few years with months on end where I was unable to make myself keep up regularly due to irregular schedules, now at ~16k cards reviewed out of ~38k.

When I first got introduced to japanese taking a course as an elective a few years ago, the instructor made a pretty adamant point that learning/practicing the language via anime is a terrible strategy because there are far too many fictional/irrelevant words and concepts, and an overabundance of impractical slang, cursing, etc.

Is there credence to this, or were they full of shit? I don't really watch anime anyways, but I would like to improve my reading through something like vidya and maybe manga. I just don't know if its better to wait until I have a stronger foundation

>>18090129
they were full of shit

however practicing via anime is a bad idea for an unrelated reason: the rate of new input is relatively slow

>>18090129
If you only watch SoL there's no issue

When do I use おはよう vs お早う?

メリ−クリスマス!

メリークリDJT！

>>18090127
I'm sure you've heard all the advice there is so I wont question you. Hope you get it back under control.

>>18088695
desu all sakubi needs is an editing pass by someone who's fluent and not deeply autistic. they don't even have to be a good writer. in fact being a bad writer would be better.

>>18090172
If I had to listen djt advice I'd have ditched Anki a while back because of all the idiots claiming it's useless compared to quote immersion end quote, but I know that it is easier to actively practice vocab than hope it sticks after looking the same thing up several times.

>>18090129
I'm speaking from ignorance here, and if there is disagreement I'd love to hear it. But it seems to me that it wont be hard to pick up on what is inappropriate language, especially if have any exposure whatsoever to Japanese outside of anime.

I do think that the benefit of anime for listening practice may be overrated (unless your listening practice is either anime or nothing at all) as it is usually simple and not very natural (from being scripted and practiced), but I don't think you're going to speak like an anime character unless you're going too hard down the path of only learning Japanese for anime.

>>18090199
>quote immersion end quote
djt doesn't talk about immersion that way, only AJATTers, and they love anki.

>>18090211
I haven't really read DJT since it was banned from /a/.

>>18090199
I was specifically referring to typical advice on scheduling anki such as splitting it up throughout the day and doing reviews during breakfast and whatnot. But you sound like you're more busy than the average person who claims they're too busy to stay on top of it. Yeah, there's a lot of shitty advice too.

>>18090220
AJATT had a bigger influence on the thread back then

>>18090223
>>18090224
Never heard about that but I know people were claiming Anki was useless and to spend time reading instead and ditching Anki altogether.

If anything I find it easier to get my reps done daily when I have a regular busy schedule, I have no problem taking time out of my lunch etc. to do it, but when my schedule is irregular I slowly deviate from my schedule and eventually stop keeping up as it piles up. Probably doesn't help that when I do have a regular schedule I can easily practice 50+ new cards a day and reviews pile up very fast if I skip a day or two.

Why are you guys learning Japanese? To watch anime without subs? Read untranslated VN? Games? Hentai?

I myself am learning Japanese for VN and to read untranslated doujins.

>>18090277
>people were claiming Anki was useless and to spend time reading instead and ditching Anki altogether
This still gets thrown around on an almost threadly basis. It's probably just one of the few dedicated autists.

>>18090316
so i can move to japan and not be one of those people who go without learning the language saying 'i dont need it'

>>18090316
I tell people it's because I'm half Japanese and want to better identify with my cultural roots, but really I just want to watch idol stuff because translations are not only incredibly slow, but only popular groups/artists get them with any reliability.

>>18090316
i want to talk to them and read doujins
in the future they will probably be my primary market

>>18090316
To be able to scrape the bottom of [current favorite series] rather than only being able to access what's translated. Also, listening to music is very different from reading translations for it.

[current favorite series] was Touhou when I started but it's changed four times since then.

>>18090127
>~38k
How? Why? Do you have the entire dictionary in card form?

メリークリスマス
>>18090316
All of these plus manga, books, movies, music, Japanese internet, etc.

>waited too long to start kanji
>now it feels too late to even start at all

>>18090558
What does this even mean?

>>18090558
it's never too late anon, start today otherwise you'll regret not starting at all

Melly Klissmas, guys.

>>18090537
Probably a few thousand names in there, otherwise maybe unlike most people I don't stick to porn and entertainment with simple vocab?

>>18090316
I had reasons like those when I started but now I'm basically just learning it for the sake of learning it.

Maybe my biggest motivation is how awkward it is to watch anything with English subs now since I can hear how distorted or flat out wrong the translation for most of the lines is. It's incredible how many subs, even official one, change the meaning so much as to basically just be making shit up. Manga translations seem to be even worse.

>>18090558
Going into kanji with existing knowledge of Japanese? You fucked up, how will you ever handle learning something now that you have additional context for it?

Stop making excuses. You might as well tell yourself to quit learning Japanese because you're not 12 anymore where it's "easier". Just like anything else you could possibly learn, you can do it, and the only person in your way is you. So go do that shit.

Remember, the regret you have now can only increase. You're never going to look back on something that interests you and say "well it was always too late it's okay that I gave up", unless your current attitude gets ingrained and dekinai becomes a way of living.

Having trouble coming up with the right English words to find a word,
I'm trying to think of a specific Japanese word for tight clothing on the body, basically like where the thigh high socks pinch the thigh, I'm fairly sure I've seen it before, but I'm not sure

>>18090619
kitsui?

>>18090626
No, I'm fairly sure I saw it on an Image pointing out specific parts around the 絶対領域 but I could be wrong

YOUR HANDS WILL BLEED, YOUR BODY WILL RECOIL, YOUR BRAIN WILL CONSTANTLY TELL YOU IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, BUT ITS THEN THAT YOU MUST ASK: DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE SAME PERSON YOU ARE NOW IN 2, 5, 10 YEARS?

DO YOU WANT TO LOOK BACK FROM THE FUTURE TO A BARREN, PLAIN PATH BEHIND YOU? WHAT WILL YOU DO IN 5 YEARS WHEN YOU TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT THE OLD YOU, CAN YOU STARE HIM DOWN WITH RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION AND TELL HIM YOU'RE A BETTER PERSON?

WHAT SETS A LION APART FROM CATTLE IS NOT INTELLIGENCE OR ABILITY, BUT DETERMINATION

DON'T BECOME THE CATTLE OF TOMORROW, JOIN ME IN THE PRIDE OF THE PRESENT

What is pic related? It's not a standard hiragana so I can't search for it

It's the last text bubble of this doujin

>>18090681
え with a ゛ on it and a っ after it.

>>18090686
Very helpful

Anyway I found my answer

In informal writing, dakuten is occasionally used on vowels to indicate a shocked or strangled articulation; for example, on あ゙ or ゔ. Dakuten can also be occasionally used with ん (ん゙) to indicate a guttural hum, growl, or similar sound

>>18090651
うざいあんやろう

>>18090537
Goo 辞書 has around 284,400 entries. 38 thousand sounds like a hell of a lot of vocabulary flash cards but if you are the sort of anon to create cards out of most things they look up, it isn't all that unreasonable to end up with tens of thousands of vocab cards over the course of a few years if you are the type to read a fair bit on a regular basis.

>>18090765
>284,400 entries
It's never going to end is it? I'm at 7.5k right now and I anticipated going to maybe 20k. Now I don't know anymore.

>>18090800
Nobody know every word in the dictionary, not even close.

>As of 30 November 2005, the Oxford English Dictionary contained approximately 301,100 main entries. Supplementing the entry headwords, there are 157,000 bold-type combinations and derivatives;[8] 169,000 italicized-bold phrases and combinations;[9] 616,500 word-forms in total, including 137,000 pronunciations; 249,300 etymologies; 577,000 cross-references; and 2,412,400 usage quotations.

>>18090690
Ohh, thanks for this information.

It had me wondering sometimes.

>>18085327
Edited version with an FAQ.
https://pastebin.com/raw/BfALJGsK

>>18091008
>It's a waste of time to start with listening.
>it's counterproductive to start with it.
>you can't start with listening
This is either really bad advice or really misleading advice. It sounds like you're telling people not to listen at all until they're intermediate going on fluent. If that isn't your intention, consider changing your wording to make it more clear.

>>18091022
Please edit it for me, I'm not good at nuance.

>>18091008
The link in the learning kana part is for the main guide page instead of the kana page. https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/index.html

>>18091027
I don't think it's a problem with nuance. It's okay to tell people that doing only listening from the beginning is very impractical, but you neglect to mention anywhere that this doesn't mean they should do no listening at all.

>>18091065
No, I mean, it's trying to be nuanced but it's not saying what it has to say at all. That's what I'm bad at. If I make it say what it has to say it'll take like five paragraphs because my opinion is too elaborate. It'd be way better if you wrote what has to be said instead.

Merry Christmas in an hour to all West Coasters. I'm waiting for midnight while doing some Anki.

頑張って!

How many kanji should I try to learn a day?
I tried to hit at least 10 today.

I learned too many kanji at once and now I cant remember any meanings when I do vocab, so I'm practically guessing at what the words are made up of and it causes a catastrophically huge retention gap

Should I study the kanji standalone or just slow down on new words and more review?

>>18091108
Try to learn new words rather than kanji.

>>18091071
>If I make it say what it has to say it'll take like five paragraphs
I'm afraid I have the same problem. I'm really bad at keeping my thoughts concise.

Merry Christmas /djt/, I hope you finally manage to learn Japanese one day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyTiWWu82-w

>>18091176
Merry Christmas, 勇者ちゃん

おにいちゃんめりくり

>>18089896
ＰＯがさむそう

>>18090467
I'm also half and I say to other people I'm re-learning to "talk with family" but it's actually just for anime and shit lmao

How do you guys remember words? besides reading basic manga over and over.

>>18091201
seeing them repeatedly or a random word sticks to my brain

>>18091201
With Anki. Memorizing stuff is literally what it was made for.

>>18091201
read different basic manga

おにいちゃん

プレゼントあげる

>>18091174
It's virtually impossible to learn a language without either reading a lot in that language or moving somewhere that it's spoken. Contrary to popular belief, moving there is NOT required, nor recommended. Moving takes a lot of money, and it's a commitment that can ruin someone's livelihood if things don't go well.

And if you want to get a lot of natural exposure to the spoken language without moving there, it's going to be very hard to understand anything for several months.

This doesn't mean that you shouldn't do listening practice. In fact, you MUST do listening practice if you want to speak, but it's counterproductive to start with pure listening. Even more important than doing listening, though, is that you MUST NOT force yourself to speak if you want to speak well. If you force yourself to speak, you will develop weird speech patterns and unnatural word usages. If you don't know how to say it right, then you don't know how to say it at all.

There is no need to avoid Japanese speech, it's just much, much easier to start with reading comprehension than listening comprehension when you're starting out.

At the very beginning, you will start with reading. You can expose yourself to Japanese speech at any point, but listening needs to be something that you do in addition to reading, not before reading.

Once you pass the very beginning stages of learning Japanese, what you do is up to you.

>>18091232
I feel like listening is something that SHOULD BE done in addition to reading... otherwise, how are you pronouncing words in your head? If you don't do listening practice, you'll be that guy who says suekey instead of ski when telling the masseuse that you liked the happy ending.

>>18091245
The problem is I'm trying to say it in such a way as to convince people who think they can just learn to speak without learning to read, but it's not coming across right.

>>18090316
I like their media and from what I can tell a lot of the good shit never gets translated

Now that I can read somewhat well, I'm starting to wonder whether it's better to read manga where I only look up 1-2 words a chapter, but to read it quite quickly obviously, or to move to something not-quite-so-babby, that would take perhaps a lot more effort?

Ultimately, I'm asking whether spending X amount of time would be better spent on reading a lesser amount of something difficult that takes deciphering and tools to make it enjoyable, or reading a larger quantity of "easier" text? I'm curious what you guys think.

>>18091261
How long does it take you to read a chapter?

>>18091201
Anki. I tried going without it for a few months and it didn't go well. I managed to learn some words but nowhere near the 2000 or so that I could've learned had I taken advantage of Anki.

I think in most other languages, you could probably get by without it, but kanji makes it so much harder to pick up words because you have twice as much information to remember.

>>18091224

>>18091261
If you're purely here for the enjoyment, Manga. If you want to work on speed/solidify the words you already know, Manga.
If you want to expand your vocab and grammar comprehension move to something harder.

>>18091245
It's virtually impossible to learn a language without either reading a lot in that language or moving somewhere that it's spoken. Contrary to popular belief, moving there is NOT required, nor recommended. Moving takes a lot of money, and it's a commitment that can ruin someone's livelihood if things don't go well.

And if you want to get a lot of natural exposure to the spoken language without reading and without moving there, it's going to be very hard to understand anything for several months.

Listening is very important, almost mandatory, but it's very slow to learn by listening alone. Reading will be your primary source of practice, for a lot of reasons. The most obvious is that reading works at your own pace, and listening doesn't, but spoken Japanese also has more spoken ambiguity problems (including large numbers of homophones) that written Japanese does not have.

This doesn't mean you should avoid listening comprehension. You want to be able to understand as much spoken as possible. If your reading comprehension skills get too far ahead of your listening comprehension skills, your learning will slow down, because the deepest instinctive language learning parts of your brain won't be operating efficiently.

The focus on reading means that a good grasp on how the Japanese writing system works is vital. Even though this guide won't teach you Japanese, it's best to tell you about how Japanese writing works, because a lot of resources out there are full of misinformation or gloss over stuff for no reason.

>>18091290
* These aren't problems for the advanced learner, but spoken Japanese can brutalize a beginner.

>>18091290
>>18091291
Nice work; I like it.

https://pastebin.com/raw/AQUL4S95

whats the quickest way for me to move to japan if i only have an hs diploma

>>18091354
get married to a japanese national

>>18091354
or get hired by an international company that will station you in japan

>>18091267
めりくり

>>18091360
Any suggestions?

>>18091374
lol no

>>18091328
>Japanese uses four main writing systems: Hiragana, Katakana, Kanji, and Romaji (lit. Roman letters, i.e. the Latin Alphabet).

>The hiragana are a set of glyphs that represent each of the core syllables in Japanese (or more accurately, morae).

>Romaji is the phonetic spelling Japanese words using the Latin alphabet (the same alphabet used to write English). There are various romanization systems, the most prevalent being Hepburn.

>>18091389
>Romaji is the phonetic spelling of* Japanese words

>>18091389
>In Japanese, the latin alphabet is primarily used to write initialisms like JR (Japan Rail) and JK (joshi kousei, female highschooler).
Not about romanization.

>>18091400
>Romaji is the phonetic spelling Japanese words using the Latin alphabet (the same alphabet used to write English). There are various romanization systems, the most prevalent being Hepburn. The Latin alphabet is also used outside of the Romaji system to write initialisms like JR (Japan Rail) and JK (joshi kousei, female highschooler).

>>18091405
That's too elaborate. I'll add an explanation about morae and romanizations on signs and stuff but insisting on calling all uses of the latin alphabet "romaji" in English is just weird.

reminder that Christmas festivities are no excuse to skip your reps

https://pastebin.com/raw/rnb1SkfA

>>18091416
Done mine already. Go do yours.

>>18091354
Go to college retard its not even hard to get a degree

>>18091354
Pretty sure you need a degree. If you want to teach English, it needs to be an English or teaching degree, apparently.

>>18091469
>If you want to teach English, it needs to be an English or teaching degree, apparently
This isn't true.

>>18091469
>>18091470
Source.

>>18091472
>JET
The JET program doesn't let you become an English teacher. You become an ALT:

>>18091472
thats Jet program, not getting off your arse flying there and getting a job yourself

>>18091354
Overstay your visa and work at a shady construction site with Chinese illegals.

>>18091474
They said "teach English", not "become an English teacher".

stop giving me (you)s you shinks im not going to college and i have no intention to teach

>>18091472
>JET
The JET program doesn't let you become an English teacher. You become an ALT.

>>18091477
Yeah, and you don't teach English as an ALT. You are just an example of native speech for the teacher to call upon. That's it.

>>18091480
>Yeah, and you don't teach English as an ALT. You are just an example of native speech for the teacher to call upon. That's it.
This is a meme that's only true in very bad schools.

>ALT
>assistant language teacher
>teacher

>>18091480
The typical JET helps plan lessons or helps the teacher explain things that are taught poorly by the curriculum. At the very least, being nothing but an example of native speech is very uncommon.

>>18091374
Any IT company. Plenty have branches in Japan, but you need a degree and at least N2.

ゆめをみました

あのんがにほんにきてくれるって

>>18091508
I'll get to N2, I been learning a bit already just started following the guide too

>>18091263
About half an hour tops

>>18091614
Yeah that's fine. You can do whatever you want. Just wanted to make sure you weren't taking an hour a chapter and thinking you were ready to move on.

waywardやりーたーいー

おにいちゃんいっしょにしよ

>>18091644
waywardってなに？

>>18091811
放漫
気まぐれ
物好き

Picked up learning japanese again and I'm probably retarded. I really have an incredibly hard time grasping the kun an on reading of kanji.
These kanjis are 2 next to each other, so I have to use on reading, right? So I did, and I ended up with pic related, but it was supposed to be あした.
Pic related is the thought process, could anybody please point out the main mistakes? Thank you.

>>18091875
Your main mistake is learning kanji instead of words, kurwa

>>18091875
>These kanjis are 2 next to each other, so I have to use on reading, right?
No. That is only a guideline. There are plenty of words where the reading is impossible to guess based on kanji knowledge only.

>>18091875
It's sometimes read as myounichi so there's that, but you're not going to be able to rely on that kind of logical structure for probably a third of the pairs you run into.

>>18091875
Compound words usually use onyomi readings, but there are many exceptions which don't. Sometimes kanji are used purely for their meanings and ignore the readings altogether. There are also the opposite cases where kanji are used only for their readings and complete ignore the meanings. The name for this phenomenon is 当て字.

Also, this: >>18091898

>>18091898
>>18091916
>>18091923
>>18091927

so the right way to learn kanjis is to learn them in words, without having to know their individual reading or meaning?

just remember that 明日 is tommorow and move on to the next?

>>18091941
Yes

>started working kanji into my daily review regimen about a month ago
>still getting kanji that I saw in the first 1-3 days wrong when they popup for review
is this normal? I feel like I'm not really learning Kanji to long term memory at all.

>>18091941
そうdesu

>>18091943
>>18091969
got it, cheers

>>18091945
It means you're either not paying enough attention or aren't using a good method
Your retention rate should be more than ~60% and going up as time goes

>>18091941
once you know enough words, you will (usually) automatically remember the meaning and readings of kanji

the reason kanji study isn't encouraged is because the reverse isn't true

>>18091996
I mean I thought anki was the 'good method'?

>>18092093
Have I ever said it wasn't? Anki is just a tool, if you don't make an effort on your end you're not gonna remember shit.
If you're using RTK or something read the book.

>>18092093
Anki is just there to make sure you don't forget things. Remembering is up to you.

>来させる
How do you read this? kisaseru, kosaseru, kusaseru?

>>18092249
きたさせる

google exists ya know

Is Japanese grammar recursive?

>>18092264
Every language's grammar is recursive.

There are zero human languages that don't have relative clauses.

>>18092262
https://translate.google.com/?hl=ja#auto/en/%E6%9D%A5%E3%81%95%E3%81%9B%E3%82%8B

Funnily enough, it's reading it as こさせる.

>>18092262
らいさせる

>>18092278
Because the text to speech is bad. If you look under it says the reading is きたさせる, and also in proper dictionaries that is also the case: https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E6%9D%A5%E3%81%95%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B

>>18092286
Okay, fair enough.

>>18092278
Please never use a neural net as your primary reference again.

>>18092278
>it's reading it as こさせる.
Which is correct.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/causepass

>>18092278
こさせる is correct, don't listen to >>18092262

>>18092286 is not even くる、but きたす

>>18092319
Please don't answer questions beyond your ability as an intermediate again.

>>18092286
You misread his post. He asked about 来さ*せ*る, not 来さ*れ*る.

>>18092286
My Japanese Skype friends all said こさせる

>>18092342
they're a beginner what do you expect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ySt9KTYpY

>>18092342
I didn't answer shit, it's just idiotic to put any faith in google translate.

>>18092511
conveniently leaving out the fact that it's giving a correct answer

as if anyone who reads that is going to assume you're being neutral, dipshit

>>18092573
I'm sorry that your low intelligence is rendering you unable to conceive that not all individuals have a position in your petty conflicts.

>>18092573
You're awfully riled about this. As someone else pointed out, it also "helpfully" pops up きたさせる below, so it's clearly an inconsistent and shitty resource despite happening to be correct there. I was making a general statement that had nothing to do with this specific instance. I'm sure you can agree that there are many cases in which it does not give the right reading. Chill out. Happy holidays.

>>18092604
your reading comprehension is abysmal

>>18092607
OK. You too, anon.

>>18090129
anime has many unnatural speech patterns used only for show or effect, in addition to words you would never hear outside of a fiction-based context. These include made-up terms for military troops and vehicles, sci-fi phrases and gadgets, and high fantasy devices like portals and crystals. If you are ignorant to what a normal speech pattern sounds like, you will end up adapting them. You might think this doesn't happen, but many students I tutored for their university Japanese course had this issue.

I highly recommend instead using the news and novels/children's books to learn Japanese. You can still watch anime, but be aware that it is not going to teach you as much useful sentences structures and words as most news articles/broadcasts and novels. Just remember that anime is a supplement to test your knowledge and keep you interested.

>>18092733
You don't know Japanese.

>>18092738
英訳者です。仕事はなんですか？
なんで今怒ってなのか？

>>18092733
>>>/reddit/

>>18092746
http://vocaroo.com/?upload

>>18092746
>なんで今怒ってなのか？
speaking of unnatural speech patterns...

>>18092751
>なんで今怒ってなのか
http://www.aoikara-writer.com/entry/woman_anger_reason
Have you never spoken to gays or women?

>>18092755
you might want to reread what you actually wrote, like, five times

>>18092756
Correct my mistake for me, please.
Show me the error so that I can learn.

>>18092761
your mistake was getting mad and forcing production to try to prove a point

>>18092750
please choose something next time that doesn't have a zero chance of delivery

I liked the toradora guy

>>18092785
will do

>>18092755
>http://www.aoikara-writer.com/entry/woman_anger_reason
>search 怒ってなのか
>0 results found

>>18092827
to be 100% fair there are like three results for 怒ってなのかな but google just isn't picking up on them when you drop the な

>>18092746
Crunchyroll?

>>18092924
違います。自営業者です。

>>18092750
>ならしめる
HELP

>>18092946
But you did apply, didn't you?

>>18092961
I didn't, did you?

>>18092997
No, I already know I'm not good enough. They only take the best, after all.

>>18093015
あら謙遜だこと
分をわきまえる自覚はとても素敵ですわ

>>18093015
Best of luck rising to the top, comrade.
What's the most difficult Japanese piece you've read? For me it was probably　恩田 陸さんの 「蜜蜂と遠雷」

>>18093042
>謙遜だこと
forced production never

>>18093042
>>18093045
I didn't write this. I wrote >>18093043

>>18093043
not him but i'm a master of eroge and obliterated astelight and all that good stuff but the hardest thing i've ever read is hanahira

>>18093045
What I recommend is you start correcting these guys' mistakes to help them improve and to show that you are better at Japanese.

>>18093051
i have no idea what 謙遜だこと is supposed to be corrected to, it's just ungrammatical

>>18093055
He is probably unsure of how and when to tack -こと onto a noun, and when to conjugate it using ~する. So my advice for him would be to read up on the difference between the two in A Dictionary of Beginner Japanese Grammar.

>>18093068
we use HJGP now

>>18093069
Okay, then read that. Either way, both will teach you in a comprehensive manner. I just have the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar volumes on my desk, so that's what I end up using.

>>18093072
you should invest in HJGP, it covers more individual grammar points, is more compact, and is easier to look stuff up in

>>18093075
Will do, I see it is about 3000 yen on amazon.co.jp, is that the best place to get it or do you recommend another store?

Does anyone else have trouble reading kanji on a default text-size screen display?
Some of the more cluttered kanji seem damn near impossible to read at a glance. Do I just have to bump up my text size like an old man? Or is this something that actually gets natural as I get better at reading and rely less on the smaller details to identify kanji?

>>18093084
i sure ordered it from amazon.co.jp
if you can't be bothered to buy it just pirate it, someone ripped it already

Anyone have a deck of food items? About to go to Japan and that sounds useful

>>18093085
It's a combination of both.
A larger font size may help, but overall, as you learn to identify kanji by radical groups, it will get easier to read them when they are smaller and in different scripts.

>>18093089
Excellent, thank you.

>>18093085
Buy a 4k screen. 1080p's low pixel density is dogshit for small kanji.

>>18093104
if you're running out of text density on a 1080p display you're using your screen real estate poorly

>>18093090
Rip, somehow I missed that
https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/food

exists. Disregard

>>18093100
https://mega.nz/#!XAITHbSJ!XSwcRZPVhlz_aOlotNVEwRf5e99V7p_96Ifthspl9vE

>>18093055
>>18093068
>こと
>［終助］《形式名詞「こと」から》活用語の連体形に付く。ただし、形容動詞・助動詞「だ」には終止形にも付く。

please explain how it's ungrammatical

>>18093111
Say what you will, but a 1080p screen is still physically incapable of showing small kanji correctly without gross simplifications.

>>18093140
you're just displaying the text at too small a size, 16px character height is fine for typical kanji

>>18093126
The context for ○○だこと is typically used with longer or more complicated clauses to finish them. You can use だって in it's place to fix the sentence.
http://study.kantsuu.com/200508/20050803205500_17206.shtml
http://kenjasyukatsu.com/archives/1987
Here are some references to help you. The first is partly Chinese, but only to explain the sentence meaning and examples. You're likely a high enough level of proficiency that you won't need that anyways.

Hope this helps.

>>18093085
Use Kochi Gothic fixed you filthy casual

>>18093155
I don't get it.

>>18093173
zoom in on the png not the jpeg

>>18093173
he's making fun of how poor and small most complex kanji look in Japanese. This one is a complicated 4-character variant of forest oni.

>>18093075
Stop shilling your shitty book.

>>18093201
it's time to let go

>>18093201
What's your basis for saying this? Have you ever opened it?

>>18093148
>The context for ○○だこと is typically used with longer or more complicated clauses to finish them
There are plenty of short clauses in your first link and the chinaman doesn't say they're wrong.

>You can use だって in it's place to fix the sentence.
だって is coming from the asker's other question(s) and is irrelevant.

>http://kenjasyukatsu.com/archives/1987
これで何を証明しようとしているのかよくわかりません。該当部分を抜粋してもらっていいですか？

>>18093126
in any short statement NだX, the expected role of X is to be some form of conjunction or modal particle, because だ has forced the clause to converge on a tense phrase

the だこと in >>18093042 is ungrammatical because it lacks the context for こと to be interpreted as an emphatic modal particle, and it also lacks the context for こと to be interpreted as closing an unmarked quotative relative clause

>>18093278
* given a typical noun N and not a weird fixed phrase like なんだ

>>18093231
Yes, it is typically used for longer clauses. Not always.
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/80340/meaning/m0u/
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/srch/all/%E3%81%A0%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6/m0u/

>http://kenjasyukatsu.com/archives/1987
>これで何を証明しようとしているのかよくわかりません。該当部分を抜粋してもらっていいですか？

はい、もちろんですよ。
「最初はxxxだったが、施策の結果、xxxxになった

あなたが行動する前の様子と、行動した後で改善された様子を比較すると、あなたの行動の成果が相手にわかりやすく伝わります。」

>>18093311
>http://kenjasyukatsu.com/archives/1987
I forgot to add that it is prefaced with an explanation of how that sentence structure works, but that summarizes it. This whole article is useful as it shows how to develop your writing skills and hone grammar in Japanese.

>>18093278
ごめん、英語の語学用語についていけないです。
無理にとは言いませんが日本語で説明しない限り、返事はできません。

（決して試してるとかそういうわけじゃないので悪しからずわかってくださいね）

>>18093311
>typically
There's that "typically" again. Are you just saying that it's weird, or do you still maintain that it's incorrect?

Also, your dictionary link for こと appears to be the wrong one
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/80375/meaning/m1u/こと
unless you want to say that they're the same, but...

まあもともと酔狂で試しに書いたもので、どんな反応されるかちょっと気になっただけです。
記事ありがとうね、ためになりそうで明日ゆっくり読むとするわ（読まない）

いいクリスマスを。

How come the figures for books on pic related are so much lower than those for magazines and newspapers?

Newpapers I can *maybe* understand using more words than books, but magazines? It even suggests that magazines use more words than newspapers. I find it really hard to believe that.

>>18093639
Also, what's the with absurd "assumed known words" figures?

The ones for magazines, books and websites already seem way, way too high, but what the fuck is going on with the figure for newspapers?

>>18093661
Proper names.

>>18093780
Tens of thousands? Over 150 thousand?

No way, I don't buy it.

>>18093786
Obituaries and company names will give you a good 80 thousand just to start.

Look at the percentages. The assumed known words are *instances* of encountering an assumed known word across the entire corpus, not unique assumed known words.

>just remembered we'll have an influx of people during new years because they want to finally start learning.
remember that we're in this together and to help them all out

Merry christmas everyone.
I've been having trouble with the word あり.
I think I kind of get what it means but it's been a real bitch to google it's meaning and usage.
I'm talking about the word as used here:
>ーまあ適当なハッピーエンドよかいいか。
>ーうん、まあありなんじゃね。
Anybody cares to elucidate a bit on this word? May be somebody could share an article on some web or something. There's nothing about it on j->j dictionaries for one.

>>18093976
It's an expression that comes from the old proverb ありの鼻たらず. It expresses frank agreement.

>>18093976
https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/8801667.html

>>18093947
the people that start because its a new year belong on /int/

>>18094637
I started yesterday :^)

Is this saying something along the lines of
"Local companies are saying that ..."

>>18094707
No, it's the quotation と particle plus この会社=the swiss insurance company in question

>>18094707
Correct.
とこ＝the (concerned) area
(native Japanese here)

>>18094707
the damage increased, this company is saying

>>18094732
Thanks you are completely right and I'm a retard.

>>18090690
How do you type kana with dakuten attached like that?

>>18090800
>he fell for the flashcard meme

I accidentally added 35 cards today instead of 15 and I was too lazy to bother going back and finding a way to get them out of my studies. Tomorrow's gonna hurt.

>>18094912
>Tomorrow
It'll increase your reps for the whole week

>>18090800
You have to remember that jisho has
>頷く
>頷き
>頷いて
>頷き合う
all as individual entries, even though you could easily tell what the rest are after learning 頷く. There are tons of conjugations and compound words on there as individual entries, you aren't going to need all of them in your deck.

>>18094912
Just adjust your daily new cards count to block the extra.

>>18094697
cool I look forward to your rage quit post sometime around feb

>>18090033
I literally posted one

>>18093201
The Japanese edition is actually pretty good as a reference

I'm starting to think that isolated kanji study might not be worth the investment after all. I'm considering dropping RTK, studying the remaining radicals I've never really much attention to before and diving into vocab & reading more seriously. But I'm so far into RTK, should I get it over with after all?

>>18095148
If it helps you, then you can always continue it

>>18094833
Bumping for interest.

>>18095148
I'm 800 through KKLC and at about 1200 vocab (I did some vocab before starting, the pace now is slow though) and feeling somewhat similarly. I'm happy with how it seems to have affected my vocab recognition and retention thus far but I'm only continuing to the end because I don't want to find myself having trouble with kanji in the future and unwilling to slow down vocab and go back to it again. It's looking to be 75 more days for me if it doesn't get significantly harder towards the end.

>>18095017

Yep, I appreciate it. Do you know more?

>>18095349
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats
also VNs by Urobuchi Gen

>>18095337
Yup, I'm in the same boat. It has really helped me with vocab retention but it's a lot of "useless" information to remember. My main issue with vocab is (was) not being able to make any sense off kanji, and I'm wondering if I could achieve the same thing with mere radical study.

>>18095320
Kana input methods have a dakuten/handakuten key just like spanish keyboards have " ~ " and french " ` ". Obviously romaji-based methods don't need them because you can directly type diacritics.

>>18094833
>>18095320
He's using the unicode combining dakuten, U+3099. There is also a combining handakuten, U+309A. I don't believe there is an input method that allows you to type this directly without typing in a unicode codepoint or searching for it, but I may be mistaken, I haven't used many Japanese IMEs. い゙゚

Which version of 4, 7, and 9 should I use?

>>18095421
what?

>>18095421
Always use 9, its the latest.

>>18095421
www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/numbers

>>18095438
Which readings of, 四, 七, and 九?

>>18095421
depends

>>18095455
They're the same thing

>>18095421
By themselves, generally yon, nana, kyuu. With counters or words, it depends on the counter or word. There are also regional tendencies towards one reading or another, as far as I'm aware.

>>18094982
Thanks dood

>>18096061
Not him, but quitting is an almost guaranteed step in learning a language before you come back with better motivation and a better strategy. Good luck regardless.

Context: Kino shows up in a country with no people around and everything seems like its being run by solely by machines. Hermes asked why you think we haven't seen anyone yet.
「そうだな、考えられる原因は……、たとえば宗教的な何かで外出できないとか、休日とか、昼寝の時間とか。あるいは、この辺には住んでないだけかもしれない」
I dont get the Nuance of 考えられる原因　Is it like "Thinking about The Cause(of all this)"?
Also what is たとえば宗教的な何かで外出できな　trying to say? The できない is throwing me off.

Not sure if I'm posting in the proper place but, do you guys know any good websites or some mobile apps for learning Kanji, and general Japanese vocab? Over the last few weeks I've been studying Hiragana and Katakana, and I can easily recognize the characters at this point, although I don't really know any words, or ANY Kanji

What does answer the purpose mean? Answering a question that's asking the purpose of something?

>>18096074
Will keep that in mind, thanks.

>>18096079
>考えられる原因
Possible causes. Literally, "causes that can be considered"
>たとえば宗教的な何かで外出できないとか
Can't go outside due to religious reasons.

>>18096084
read the OP and dont post again until you do

>>18096097
Thanks, I was way off on the second one

>>18096089
to serve (suit, meet) the purpose

>>18096089
>>18096177
That definition is copied straight from wwwjdic/jisho, which is imperfect but a generally good starting point, and you should try checking next time you run into something stupid in your deck. Not to yell at you, just suggesting resources for the future.

I leeched multiple cards tonight. Starting to feel like Anki isn't for me and I should just spend this time reading material instead.

>>18096352
That would be a massive drop in efficiency but its your choice.

Is core 10k worth it?

I started with core 6k but dropped it after a month and now that i picked it up i can't remember a thing so i am starting all again but wanted to know your thought guys.

>>18096368
Man, some days I feel like a sponge, memorizing stuff left and right with Anki. And it sticks with me. But then other days I feel like I'm just banging my head into the wall regardless of how much effort I put in.
I'll stick with it for the good days but the bad days are way too frequent. I think I need to rewire my brain.

How many daily mature cards should I constantly get after like 1 year of Anki, assuming I do 10 new cards/day?

>>18096440
too many variables

>>18096411
anki gains are not immediately apparent, but its always doing its thing

>>18096382
you can do 10k if you find anki fun and have great retention (~90%)

which doesn't sound like it describes you

天気 - Weather
天 - Sky, heaven
気 - Spirit, temperament

I wish all Kanji made sense in a really simple way like this

>>18096482
交番

>>18096464
I can see the truth in that. Sometimes characters just don't sink in until I encounter them in the wild. And I'm sure they wouldn't sink in as easily if it weren't for Anki.
Simple stuff to realize, but it's nice to have it pointed out. Thanks, anon

>>18096489
交 - alternating
番 - guard, lookout

was this supposed to be a good example or a bad one

風邪引いた。くそ。

>>18096499
>Sometimes characters just don't sink in until I encounter them in the wild.
This is why moving towards mining as soon as possible is ideal, and the importance of reading can't be overstated.
Stick with it, and accept that some days will feel bad, as long as you still have good days things are going fine.

>>18096411
I stopped adding cards for 5 months and by the end I was left with a condensed deck of words I hate

>>18096505
im a dekinai

>>18096607
was just curious what you meant, you could argue either way

>>18096617
i didnt know ban also meant guard because ive only been learning words using it as numeral and never looked up the kanji individually, so I thought it was something like ateji

>>18096623
交番 is not a very beginner-friendly word for how often it appears in beginner material

but learn 番人、番犬 and maybe 留守番 and you'll never forget again

Looking up kanji individually is a good idea when a combination doesn't make sense at first glance. It's better than making a really bad mnemonic.

>>18096352
>>18096411
You are right to drop Anki
It's not that Anki doesn't help.. it's just that your time could be more effectively used by reading

>>18096695
Not to mention Anki is torture while reading is fun. Win-win.

>>18096700
what if both are torture

>>18096701
then you need to read more

>>18096695
I've heard enough people talk about dropping anki and feeling that their progress on picking up new words was much slower to lean towards suggesting a lot more work on reading, possibly slowing down anki particularly if it's taking a lot of time, but keeping reviews up. But I'm by no means an authority on this.

>>18096695
>>18096700
How do you properly remember words and not become reliant on a text hooker?

>>18096786
by reading more

閉めろ
閉じろ
What's the difference?

>>18096819
>閉めろ
Usually something with a locking mechanism, it's closed more tightly
>閉じろ
Usually something that doesn't have a locking mechanism, it's closed more loosly

I'm probably wrong

>>18096819
>閉めろ
>to close
>閉じろ
>to close (e.g. book, eyes, meeting, etc.)

How do I start reading? I downloaded Flying Witch and To Love Ru at the recommendation of another anon and they're hard as fuck. Someone else said Konosuba and Flyable Heart were easy so I picked those up as well and it's so slow. How do I do this shit?

>>18096857
Read Yotsubato and then move on to reading something you actually want to read

>>18096857
what >>18096862 said

everything is slow; the main difference is whether or not you're going to quit, and that has 80% to do with how much you actually like the material

>>18096507
くしゃみが出ないほうがいいよ

>>18096857
Do you have issue with slang? Read Yotsubato and reading pack.
If its not slang, post your problem in the thread so people can help you.

>>18096830
I'm not a native but I don't think you're far off

>>18096873
くしゃみはしない

のどがいたい。あたまがいたい。どこもいたい。

>>18096902
けつにねぎさせばなおるよ

>>18096906
これはアニメか！？

I found the point where matt vs japan says that, if you follow EXACTLY what a successful learner did, you'll learn Japanese even if their method is wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62r8m3JyEwg&t=1h34m10s

>>18096923
timestamp 1:34:10

>>18096857
>they're hard as fuck
Everything is when you first start reading. Just know that it gets better and keep going.

>>18096917
いまごろきづいた？

>>18096923
>if you follow EXACTLY what a successful learner did, you'll learn Japanese even if their method is wrong.
Except it's impossible to follow it exactly since people are different and you end up remembering different words better or worse. The real way to learn is to do it your way and use other peoples methods as reference or something you could also do if you find it works for you

There's a reason there is no one way of learning something

>>18096938
There was a conversation/argument about something here that ended up referencing this quote but couldn't find it. That's why I'm posting it.

>>18096923
Didn't he say in the same video that he hates Japanese and has quit it? I think he even went so far as to tell people not to learn it.

Guess the idea of all that Patreon $$$ was too tempting to pass up.

>>18096945
it's more like it turned out he already knows japanese so saying he's stopping learning doesn't actually mean anything other than dropping his flashcards

>>18096857
Personally my first like 7 attempts at reading died Cause i felt like it was too hard and I probably needed more of core finished. But eventually I realized that most of the words that I had to look up probably weren't even in core, and the most complicated parts of the readings were usually grammar. I finally just picked something I liked and Powered through how hard it seemed. Gets easier after a while and even tho I haven't been going that long, I'm getting faster at looking things up and theres more and more sections where i dont need to look things up. I dropped both Konosuba and To Love Ru and the latter was easier so if you're actually interested in that series just keep reading it and you'll probably hit a groove like 30-40 pages in.

>>18096931
この人の日本語は上手ですか？

https://youtu.be/vrAyDf7jzdw

>>18096956
そのとまあがおおいけどじょうずですね

>>18096945
>>18096949
I interpreted it as him reaching a peak of frustration with Japanese. In the meditation video he says he picked Anki back up and he feels he's getting more progress in less time, so I think that those feelings have passed and he's more okay with Japanese in spite of all of the disappointments he faced after his original expectation of Japan to be a mystical wonderland that would replace his boring American life. It took him a long time to truly give up that idea, despite all of the clear signs that popped up.

>>18096970
>そのとまあがおおい
そう思った

んで、この人はどうですか？
https://youtu.be/ejRkuX1RGf4
前の人と比べてどっちが一番上手ですか？

>>18096695
Anki does help. Only reading is far less effective.

>>18096701
reading: torture at first, becomes pure entertainment
anki: fun & easy at first, becomes worse and worse torture until you quit

>>18096786
don't use a text hooker

hello jp i am learning all the things now its actually going very well and im surprised at how much im learning maybe i will get to go to back to japan afterall

im using duolingo

>>18097180
also

im not a weeaboo or otaku im a productive member of society

>>18097180
>>18097183
read the guide or at least the FAQ in https://pastebin.com/raw/rnb1SkfA

>>18097180
>>18097183
fuck off idiot

>>18097186
Yeah, I found it last night. I supplemented my duolingo learning with the recommended flashcards though i did already have a bunch i was using to practice

>>18096786
You read the text and look at the things you dont understand.
Then you look at the things you dont understand.
If you still dont understand you use the hooked up words.

>>18097169
>don't use tools to help you learn japanese
>because i don't like them

>>18097180
>duolingo

>>18097188
that was easy

>>18089896
Maintainer: can you integrate some of the stuff from >>18097186 into the guide? There are some parts of it that I really would've liked to be in the guide when I started, like

>You can find manga with furigana by searching 漫画　立ち読み or 漫画　試し読み on google to find legal online manga sites that let you preview stuff. This is how you check whether a given series has furigana.

>Q: I'm still in the "reading to practice vocabulary/grammar" stage after three months. What gives?
>A: That means either you're not applying yourself or you're practicing with material that you don't really understand.

>Even worse than that, though, is that they might leave out simple things that are confusing to explain in text, and expect the teacher to pick up the slack during lectures. An example of this is Genki I&II leaving out the location particle sense of から, only including it as a one-off definition in a reading exercise. Language textbooks are all riddled with a large number of minor omissions like this, and they cannot be used alone as self-teaching resources.

Just some highlights.

おはようおにいちゃん

>>18096819
ちがいがむずかしいよ

口は閉めるもので

目は閉じるものだよ

ほかのいみがあるから口を閉じるはつかわないほうがいいよ

Why are hiragana and katakana mixed?

>>18097208
>Maintainer: can you integrate some of the stuff from >>18097186 into the guide?
You can do it yourself, you know. The guide is editable.

not the maintainer btw

>>18097199
Not that guy but the answer was fair considering the question

I'm sort of just getting lost in the this-s and that-s here, any advice?

そんなんだからこんなんなるんだろ

>>18097380
>ばか

をながくするとそういういいかたになるよ

>>18097277
Why are lowercase and capital letters mixed? Why is plain text mixed with bold, italic, and underlined text?

>>18097199
>because i don't like them
nice strawman but i like them a lot actually. and because of them i sucked at reading for a very long time.
what made me good was getting simpler books and reading them with no dictionary.

just a heads up if you do DoJG anki, dont use cloze.

Does this make sense?
それは私のフランス語とできることし
I am trying to say something like "that's what i can do with french"

>>18097503
Why not? What to use? Aren't there several types of cloze?

>>18097512
dont guess the answer from the definition, guess the definition from the answer.

>>18097515
This may lead to your forgetting the grammar point itself though. It'd probably be best to do both, though that is more time you'd have to invest. Nevertheless, everyone can decide for themselves as both types are provided in the card styling section, I don't see why you come here and pretend you have some magical truth.

>>18097380
Settled with "That's cause this is how it's gonna go."

>>18097519
because the cloze im referring to has multiple overlapping definitions or vague definitions that will cause you to miss more reviews than correct even if you know the answer.

if people want to go through the entire deck all over again in a different form, more power to them, but cloze is inefficient if you want to do with one run through.

>>18097526
You can do static sentences for cloze. It will have the same effect.

>>18097503
just a heads up if you do DoJG anki, you are an idiot

how am I supposed to know when to pronounce けい　as two separate sounds (k)E + I like in English "key" and when do I extend it to (k)EE

I mean, I get pronunciation for 経済 in dictionary 【けい・ざい】but are there any indicators or should I just assume it will be 'EE' as usual?

sorry if this post is chaotic, I hope you know what I mean

>>18097554
i have a general idea of all the grammar rules in about a month with not even an hour a day to supplement my reading heavily while you sat and ctrl+f'd your reading material for god knows how long at a snails pace while only receiving a portion of what it entails until you bother to spend another 4 months reading something else slightly more difficult that probably still wont cover enough.

>>18097563
Listen to the audio?

>>18097570
so there's no way to know without an audio with bare dictionary
ok thanks!

>>18097563
Do you have any examples using the "key" pronunciation

>On'yomi always use -OU for long O sound and kun'yomi almost always -OO.

Is this true? And does it apply to the other pair of -EE and -EI?

>>18097584
ok that was a bad example, I'm not a native English speaker and your vowels are more problematic than Japanese ones

>>18097591
You meant some wrong pronunciation of "key" right correct? Something like "kaye" I assume. Anyways my point still stands; as far as I know, けい is always pronunced /kee/.

>>18097603
I just pronounced 'ey' kinda like 'ey' in "hey"
I did hear the proper prounciation before but I kept using my own (or maybe there's possibility of some dialect that uses this "wrong" one)

thanks for making a point

>>18097603
>Anyways my point still stands; as far as I know, けい is always pronunced /kee/.

It is often pronounced like a diphthong in f.ex. names. Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPUIOhYzJWQ&t=4605

>>18097380
そんなんだから
こんなん
なるんだろ

>>18097502
so change the guide to your fabulous method, or fuck off

>>18097568
I'm not heavily invested either way (though I tend to lean towards skipping grammar cards), but you're making a hell of a lot of assumptions about your method being superior. Also
>all the grammar rules
What are you talking about? Do you mean all of Tae Kim? DoBJG?

>>18097664
im not, i just want anti anki shitheads to stop being obnoxious faggots

>>18097659
He was offering advice to someone with a problem, not demanding that everyone do what he says, what the fuck are you contributing?

>>18097554
I did it and the result was being able to read VNs and almost never having to look up grammar.

>>18097676
Being against one type of card in anki is not anti-anki. I agree that people shouldn't state opinions as definitive fact, but you came off equally obnoxious, so I'm not sure you accomplished anything.

daily reminder that having an argument about methods is futile and you're only wasting your own time

>>18097004
he didn't respond so you get a gaijin answer

The guy in the 2nd video seems a lot more used to talking and it shows. The first guy didn't just hum and haw a whole lot but he also lacked 抑揚 and didn't seem aware that he was swaying back and forth the entire time (a typical visible sign of effort).

To be fair a conversation is a lot easier than a monologue and maybe the first guy's テンション was just low. Both of them clearly know how to speak, the difference is likely just practice.

>>18097690
"Hey this method is less efficient from my experiences, dodge it in the future and [after a couple posts] heres how it was"

"Youre using anki youre an idiot"

yeah how very obnoxious of me

ワカサギながーい

>友達に会う。
>友達と会う。

what's the difference?

>>18097855
First one means you ran into him somewhere by accident or were stalking him, the second means you both wanted to meet up.

>>18097680
I didn't do it and the result was being able to read VNs and almost never having to look up grammar.

>>18097871
This is the epitome of DJT shitposting.

>>18097891
no I'm pretty sure you are

>>18097891
A snide counter-anecdote to an assuming/extrapolating anecdote can be considered shitposting, but it's far from the epitome.

>>18097965
the real shitposting is that one time someone made a grammar guide in three months to troll imabi

>>18097891
Gotta be ESLs in a slapfight over english

the entire kanji study section of the guide needs to be purged

>>18098017
Because some dekinai says so?

>>18098026
because it's bad and if kanji study is gonna be described by the guide it should definitely not be in the way it's described right now. it was obviously written by people who were lower intermediates at absolute best

>>18097855
に - unilateral
と - mutual

>>18098031
What would you change?

>>18098017
You know the guide is editable, right?

Instead of moaning here, how about you go fix it?

>>18098059
the entire "Benefits and drawbacks of isolated kanji study" section should be removed or rewritten from scratch with brevity in mind. there's no simple change like "replace this sentence with this new one" that would fix it

when people read about something that don't understand, length implies importance and credibility, even if it's a logical description of how someone views a set of tradeoffs, but some of the kanji study "methods" are definitely less credible than others in objective ways. rather than attempting to systematically break down each method or say which ones are good it should just wash its hands of the whole topic and give a nod to the existence of each method instead

>>18098064
bud if i touched it all I'd do is delete the section entirely. that won't work.

How to jappy slant-eye yellow fever gook japs remember when to apply rendaku in name readings? And don't say they learn after seeing the name once, there are tons.

>>18098031
>it was obviously written by people who were lower intermediates at absolute best
I imagine much of the guide was.

One of the glaring flaws of a community like this one is that you have no idea what level the person you're dealing with is at. You often see people here "answer" questions and in doing so reveal that they know even less than the person who asked the question in the first place.

>>18098090
rendaku has its own rules doesnt it?

Hey guys! This might not be the best place to ask this, but I'm trying to find a manga I saw on some best seller list on amazon.jp (probably) or honto (less likely) like 4-5 months ago. It had no furigana (iirc), and the look inside pages had some scene in a toilet. It looked pretty good, but too difficult for me at the time. Sadly, I didn't save the title. If any of you know something, please tell me. Merry Christmas!

Why does some Japanese statements sometimes have "?" when in context it doesn't appear a question is being asked?

>>18098078
So you're butthurt about RTK and don't want the guide to extensively talk about it because it might make people think it's the way to go?
There's a big section explaining isolated kanji study because it's discussed a lot in these threads, simple as that

I'm seeing 草 used like a reaction in livestream chats, Is it like 笑/w?
Does it have a certain reading when used like this?

>>18098235
Gee, I dunno, have you tried looking it up in Jisho?

>>18098161
lol no where the fuck did you get that idea

>>18098161
rtk != kanji study in general
You're a beginner.

>>18098245
Did you even read his post?
>solated kanji study

>>18098251
rtk != isolated kanji study in general

Kanji study is one of the least important possible aspects of learning Japanese. "Learning Japanese" will take several years, and if not done in a retarded way, kanji study will not take more than a small number of months. If you think that talking about the ups and downs of various forms of isolated kanji study deserves six long paragraphs in a piece of text meant for people who haven't even touched a grammar book or flashcard yet, you don't know anywhere near enough about the process of learning Japanese to make any decisions about what should go into a "how to learn Japanese" guide.

>>18098260
No fucking shit sherlock
You're forgetting how it's the most talked about method in both the threads and the guide, which is why I inferred that anon was mad about this one method in particular.
I hope your Japanese reading comprehension isn't as bad as your English.

>>18098290
If you read RTK into his post then the one with bad English reading comprehension is you.

>>18098294
no, they just have a persecution complex, stop responding

RTK is so dumb. Do you think Japanese people start learning their language by reading individual characters with retarded memeonics? No, they understand what words mean and then how to read them. And when they learn 月下美人 they know it's written with つき、した、び、ひと, not "le cerebral cortex penis cactus syringe"

>>18098278
Have I ever said the opposite? Pay attention to my posts.
>>18098161
>There's a big section explaining isolated kanji study because it's discussed a lot in these threads, simple as that
I also think that kanji study is dumb and pointless for beginners but this is one of the most talked-about topics in these threads, period. The guide is there to state facts, not take a stand in anything. I agree that the other methods could use a little more details but there's no reason whatsoever to delete the current individual kanji section.

If you really want to you could add a warning such as "this method is controversial and generally acknowledged as bad, ask in the thread for more information/opinions" but for the love of god don't delete informative content because it rustles your jimmies.

>>18098383
>The guide is there to state facts, not take a stand in anything.
Fun fact: talking about something at length is taking a stance about how important it is.
Kanji study is fundamentally unimportant.

>but for the love of god don't delete informative content because it rustles your jimmies.
The problem is not the content. The problem is the way it's written and how long it is. Give the section a good read from start to finish. Then read it again. Ask yourself what it's trying to convey. Ask yourself how its presence and structure is going to get interpreted by a lurker. You are not analyzing this situation neutrally.

>>18098383
i have a question: are you the maintainer of the guide
this has a very fundamental impact on how i'm going to interpret what you just posted

>>18098235
read 「くさ」
means "lol", [origin] 笑う -> わらう -> warau -> w -> looks like grass so become "草（くさ）"

>>18098393
Alright I give in I'll read it again, I'll come back to you later.

>>18098396
Of course not, I've never even suggested an edit.

>>18098400
>笑う -> わらう -> warau -> w -> looks like grass so become "草（くさ）
that's fucking ridiculous

>>18098414
It's the same as how c1 is often used as a thumbs up because it sorta kinda looks like one.

Just move stuff that doesn't have to do with getting to comprehensible input into separate pages.