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Who Bernkastel/EVA-Beatrtice here?

>>17926016
It's been a while but I remember that Jessica was very fun to play, I'll probably start with her again

Was there ever any sort of tier list made for OMK?
Also, who would you say are some of the easiest/hardest characters to play as?

Kanon and 410 are pretty good and easy to play with. They are also some of my favorite characters in the story.

DUDE

META

LOL

Edit anon here. Last thread someone requested an edit of Jessica wearing Erika's dress using the original sprites. Here's the final version I've come up with. I hope this turned out okay.

The only real troublesome part of this edit was having to redraw the parts of the dress usually covered by Erika's hair, which was about 80% of the total work.

>>17926171
I also made a version without the little rose hair ornament. I'm not sure which looks better to be honest.

>>17926171
I’m impressed, it looks like something the real R07 would make

>>17926171
It turned out great, thank you very much anon!
Jessica looks very cute like this, it fits her even better than what I expected.

>>17926179
>>17926186
Thanks a bunch. I put a lot of time into trying to carefully follow Ryukishi's art style so that it looks authentic. It helps that it was mostly just filling in blank spots. All in all this was a pretty fun piece to make, so thanks for the suggestion.

>>17926146
Yeah, they're both pretty fast fighters, making them easy to use for beginners. 410's also got the added bonus of long-range bow attacks.

>>17926016
Will it be translated in English ? Is it playable locally ? Legitimately hyped.

Also I wonder what Higurashi would have been in a comfy winter setting ? What would have been the most notable changes ? Is there snowy themed story by Ryukishi out there ?

>>17926171
>>17926178
Very well done ! I love thinking about the idea of her not liking to wear this dress because it would'nt allow her to run around

>>17926370
It has been announced on steam, so it will be in English too yes.

Like any fighting game, you can play locally with 2 players on the same PC.

OMK is pretty high quality value, except it was unfortunately plagued by performance issues if you have a toaster (especially during metagame declaration) and the crazy unbalanced stuff.

>>17926178

They look great. From a design standpoint I like the hair ornament version better.

>>17926378
I bet she'd complain about how the skirt is too large or that the corsage keeps falling off. At what age do you think Natsuhi finally gave up and started letting her wear less flowery clothes?

Anyone know where to find any match videos?
Preferably high level play.

>>17926378
Thanks! Jessica would definitely hate the dress. Acting like high class lady just isn't her thing. It's no wonder she'd opt for more maneuverable clothes.

>>17926412
I'm glad you like them, and I see what you mean. The hair ornament definitely completes the look visually. Though I do think the simple ponytail suits Jessica more, making it seem a bit more natural.

>>17926435
No match videos, but there's a pretty insane combo exhibition video here. The first one with Lambda is insane.
https://mega.nz/#!EgdinBDS!QDDVF131L1g8xpGmg1NCM6yRxihHWFG58Zo3OT5cLSo

>>17926171
Yes, you posted it on the other thread. What do you want, a cookie?

>>17926486
That was the incomplete version. I had said that I would post the completed version once it was done.

>>17926467
>acting like a high class lady just isn’t her thing
A shame she died, tbqh

>>17926486
why are you being a bitch?

>>17926486

anti-editanon anon plz go.

>>17926817
>>17926820
Fine, fine, there you go >>17926510.

>>17926841

>>17926899
I can relate to Battler, his incompetence, and his crying

>>17926910
Sad!

>>17926910

>>17926016
EVA-Beatrice is who I had the most fun with, not sure about my second character.

Does Higanbana have any jump scares?

>>17928488
Not that I can remember. It's more of the slow, psychological horror type.

>>17928873
So it's like most of Ryukishi's horror stuff.

>>17928488
No. When did R07 ever use jump scares?

>>17928914
Watanagashi / Meakashi

>>17928914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVay367HM3Y

Everytime this played

>>17928914
https://youtu.be/hvr1bP7xvQI?t=7m10s

>>17929016
That's not a jump scare, in fact it was mostly used when some unsettling fact was revealed. A jump scare is more like when a skeleton jumps out in front of you and screams ooga booga.

>>17929052
It's blocked in my country. Is what you linked USO DA? I guess that kinda counts.

>>17929106
Yeah well I jumped at that sound, that makes it a jumpscare

Reminder.

What exactly is the mincing device that Shion wants to use on Mion in Meakashi?

>>17929246
And I believe the lines go

> If you want to die that badly, then after I've killed this man, I'll take my time making mincemeat out of you.
>...In accordance with the ancient rites, I'll do it slowly, starting with your extremities.

>>17929246
And I believe the lines go

> If you want to die that badly, then after I've killed this man, I'll take my time making mincemeat out of you.
>...In accordance with the ancient rites, I'll do it slowly, starting with your extremities.
>I'll shave you down and mince you to bits.
>I had that mincing machine set up specifically for you, after all.

>>17929106
Yeah it's USO DA. I give it half points since it's a new version that added stuff like that and wasn't a jumpscare in the original game.

>>17926016
Rosa/410/B. Battler (if thinking of CROSS) to cheese people from range.

Why doesn't anyone in the family realize that Maria is autistic? Someone should tell Rosa that beating the shit out of her isn't a good idea.

>Jessica did nothing wrong

>>17930601
Because 1980s Japan lol.

>>17930601
>implying there is shit inside my lolifu
Maria is pure and cute.

>>17931541

Fact: George is the worst character in all of 07th Expansion

>>17931586
How can he be worse than Kumasawa/Nanjo/Hideyoshi/Genji?

>>17931586
The fuck did you say to my war buddy?

>>17931850
What's wrong with Hideyoshi?

>>17931850
Those four get less development, but they are all total bros. Especially Nanjo and Hideyoshi.

Jooji is a beta faggot that looks like Tomitake.

>>17930601

>>17931896
>Those four get less development, but they are all total bros
What?

>>17933239
They felt like they owed it to Yasu to tell the truth and how they regret their decisions. It's pretty selfish for them to want to unload their baggage and Yasu did deserve to hear it, it just happened at the worst possible time.

>>17931586

Fact: you have shit taste.

>>17933239
What Brodeyoshi has to do with any of this?
He is just the cool uncle who tells bad jokes on Xmas.

>>17931586

You mean Gohda, right?

>>17933413
Gohda at least adds a dynamic as being the only staff that isn't in on it.

>>17933416

Ha ha. Gohda is an immature, selfish coward who treats people way younger than him like trash. The only time he is nice is when you flatter him, which is saying a lot. Overall, an arrogant piece of shit that doesn't contribute to the story at all.

At least George was the single only character in the story who was able to provide Sayo with happiness, and would have given her a happy ending had Sayo been able to get over her insecurities.

>>17933423

Adding to this: you could honestly remove Gohda from the story, and not a single thing would change. You would just have to alter the number of people on the island. That is how literally pointless the character is.

>>17933430
to be fair, the story would be much darker and also damage Natsuhi's character presentation if Gohda were to have his original function.

Gohda did nothing wrong, he is the only person in there that has no fault at anything other than some arrogant behaviour here and there

>>17933437

Natsuhi literally killed a servant and attempted to kill an innocent baby. Too late for that.

>>17933689
That pissed me so much
>Muh pure Nappi
Fuck off.

>>17933706
Where does the Nappi meme come from

>>17933860
In hiragana,
Natsuhi = なつひ
Nappi = なっぴ

>>17933706
pls
I don't condone Natsuhi's actions in any way

It's just that it would be inconsistent with her character presentation, that's all.

Nappy is probably one of the worst people in the island for being an actual murderer (if we not consider Rudolph's and Kyrie's shady business, which I would love to get some more background to... a spinoff for the Ushiromiya family members' lives outside the island would be awesome, as we only got Natsuhi and Krauss, since the plot demanded the information in hands.

Does Battler actually join Kyrie and Rudolf in their massacre in some fragments? Kinda doesn't seem to fit his character

>>17934007
You can make a fragment where almost anything can happen, as long as it follows Yasu's rules.

>>17934021
But Bern found a fragment with Lion, how would that follow Yasu's rules when she doesn't even exist in that fragment?

>>17934045
When it comes to anything that happens on Yasu's Rokkenjima, there can be infinite possibilities. Battler joining Kyrie and Rudolf in Lion's fragment is really unlikely, especially since I think Bern herself said that Lion was taken out first among the cousins then everything went exactly the same as it did during tea party. I could be misremembering as well.

>>17934055
Is Bern version of Lion's fragment even real? We know the adults started shooting and went bananas because of the whole situation.

But in Lion's fragment, Kinzo would be alive, and the guns would locked out/unavailable. The wouldn't be anyone telling them about the bomb too.

It's not like Kyrie went ballistic because she liked. 2 bodies were already on the floor so she tried to wipe everything clear and make a run for it.

>>17934142

Bern never confirmed that with red, so it's highly likely she was lying about it happening to Lion as well just to be a dick.

>>17934142
Lion's world is possible, but the world we see in EP7 is a clusterfuck made from different fragments sewn together. Will said it himself. It's practically fantasy.

In a proper world, Lion wouldn't have blonde hair and wouldn't be so perfectly androgynous. Shannon and Kanon wouldn't be there, the golden roses wouldn't exist and Kyrie would have no reason to kill people.

As for the strange funeral for Beatrice, I wouldn't put it past Kinzo.

>>17934248
>Lion's world is possible, but the world we see in EP7 is a clusterfuck made from different fragments sewn together. Will said it himself. It's practically fantasy.

So... that is to say that there is a world where someone just kills Lion in an occasion not really related to the Rokkenjima massacre?

>>17934248

>In a proper world, Lion wouldn't have blonde hair and wouldn't be so perfectly androgynous.
Sayo/Lion can just die his hair or even happen to be born with blonde hair in a certain kakera.

And the whole reason Shannon/Kanon works is because Sayo is androgynous and can appear as both a guy and a girl.

>>17934302
Anyone can be androgynous if you fuck them up at age 0. Yasu is a 19 year old prepubescent freak with no gender.

If you tried to make Maria look like a boy, it would probably work. But "Mario" would look a bit off because he's actually a girl and has been developing into one for 9 years. Even years before puberty, you can easily know someone's gender without looking under their pants. Their faces, voices and bodies give it away most of the time, even if they are crossdressing and trying to pass as the opposite gender.

Lion could be an androgynous guy, it's not that rare. But I think that's too convenient. I'm pretty sure that his EP7 appearance is fantasy and only exists because Bern wanted to make things hard for Will. His blonde hair gives it away. I know it's an aesthetic choice and the characters are all supposed to have black/brown hair canonically, but still. I really doubt Lion would dye his hair just to fool the reader.

That's even more ridiculous than those theories that involve pieces behaving erratically just to get around the red truth.

>>17934516
Maybe Lion fell without Natsuhi's help and was injured just like Yasu? Just with her mother accepting her?

>>17934516
Nah, Shkannon works just fine given the context, and totally not impossible given that much more absurd cases predated 1986 in terms of disguising (about an year ago we discussed in this very "general", which at the time couldn't even be a general on /jp/, a spy case of a person which actually fooled many professionals by behaving as several both male and female much like Yasu did, but all alone and for years if I so recall correctly).

Yasu not only had CONSTANT backup of all of the servants, also only started with the Kanon thing much later for a much shorter period of time ever since creating the Shannon persona.

The worst one could point out about suspicion would probably be Jessica, who was good friends with both people and was giving special attention to Kanon too. And even then, it's not totally impossible, as we never actually got just how many interactions both of them got together in the long run compare to the "besties" relationship with Shannon (in fact, Jessica only talked to Kanon here and there, nothing too often). Plus, there's also the issue that Jessica did saw similarities to the point of pointing out in the very VN she always thought of them as siblings.

And of course, there are 2 "not so hinted at" other options pointed out a lot by people in here:

1-Jessica is just retarded

2-She knew it all along

>>17934634
Dude, what the fuck? I never said that Shkanon doesn't work. I said the opposite thing.

>>17931924
>>17931928
Are these oc?

How are you supposed to do the Super Special 2 move or whatever it's callled in OMK? I'm playing in princess mode, but all the guides are for normal mode.

I figured this out so far:

Shift: Taunt
S: Switch/Touch move
Z: Normal combos
X (+forward, backwards, down, airborne): Special moves
C+X: Grab
Z+X: Powered up specials that consume one energy bar
Z+X+C: Metaworld (consumes one energy bar)
Z+X+C (in metaworld): Meta special (can be used multiple times for free)

There is supposedly a "Super special 2" move, but I don't know how to do it. I have seen it a few times by accident, so it seems it can be used in princess mode. How do you use that?

>>17935083
hold Z+X

>>17934730
this anon answering right now you realized he misread stuff

sorry there

>>17934634
>Nah, Shkannon works just fine given the context, and totally not impossible given that much more absurd cases predated 1986 in terms of disguising (about an year ago we discussed in this very "general", which at the time couldn't even be a general on /jp/, a spy case of a person which actually fooled many professionals by behaving as several both male and female much like Yasu did, but all alone and for years if I so recall correctly).

Disguising oneself is easy, but it really depends on the type of disguise. Generally it's harder if you don't alter facial features with stuff like glasses and beards.

>>17935285
Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. Except Erika I guess.

>>17935061

>>17935083
>MARIA will never be playable
>Gorudosumisu will never be playable
>Featherine will never be playable
>Gaap will never be playable
>Gamemaster BATTLER will never be playable
Literally why live?

For such a magical game, the roster is surprisingly realistic. No little kids, 50 year old women or old men.

Higurashi Daybreak had wacky shit like Tomitake FLASH, Takano throwing poisonous needles, Superman Satoko, wrestler Ooishi...

I loved playing as swimsuit Mion with the Super Soaker. It's like playing the beginning of Tsumihoroboshi, it's awesome.

I also think OMK should have better alternate skins. Most of them are random Christmas versions of the original designs. Why not have Shannon and Kanon wearing their casual clothes from EP2? Why not pirate Erika? Why not Clair for Beato? It wouldn't fit her personality and moves, but neither does Jessica's Natsuhi skin. It doesn't matter.

Other than that, I really like the game. Princess mode is a godsend, because I usually can't stand all that d-pad bullshit in fighting games. It's a chore. And I love how well made everything is.

I do miss Ryukishi's art style, though. It's one of the reasons I like Daybreak so much. It looks cheap, but also more authentic.

>>17935061
Found them in Narnith's discord channel.

>>17935795
>Narnith's discord channel

??? (You don't have to respond)

>>17935795
Go back there.

>>17931924
Did he kick the tombstone like a zombie and get up? A zombie is not a human! He could have moved the rock!

Repeat it in red: "Jesus wasn't a zombie at the time of his resurrection".

>>17931924
Why is the Pope an elf?

>>17935818
Or the rock just moved as a result of a natural phenomenom.

>>17935818
>zombie
But that wouldn't be called a resurrection.

Bible and Higurashi spoilers:

The sinners who killed Jesus also thought the same thing. But what Jesus meant wasn't that he would revive physically. After three days, Jesus' teachings resurrected in the people that wanted to be led correctly.

Jesus doesn't exist physically on this earth. But he exists in people's hearts. That's how Jesus resurrected as an existence that is superior to humans.

>>17935818
Repeat in red: "The bread Jesus ate wasn't filled with small bombs that could have blown his tomb open."

Can i play Ougon with a xbone controller?

>>17935930
Is that Nevada?

>>17935962
Yes.

>>17935987
Great, looking forward to it. If you don't mind me asking you another question, how difficult is this game / what's the learning curve like compared to other fighting games? I've only ever played sf4 for about 50 hours.

>>17935930
>that pic
I want to do a bad thing.

>>17936090
Combos seem like they might take a while to learn if you don't play anime fighters much.
I have no idea about the learning curve since I haven't played against anyone since the release of the first iteration.

>>17933416
Wasn’t Gohda an accomplice in EP2?

>>17936218
No, just tricked.

>>17936233
He literally claimed to have seen zombie Kanon killing people.

>>17936315
Which literally happened.

>>17936328

>>17936366
I thought the answer for that one was "As Kanon is in actuality alive, he cannot be an illusion, and thus, could kill people"

Wasn't there a thing about accomplices not being able to kill in a gameboard, only the culprit (except EP3 with Eva, cuz forgery)?

If that was the case, the manga version kinda have a plothole there.

>>17936651
Welp, as I always say, when it comes to Umineko, you just stick with the source material.

The manga also has a plothole by EP1, explicitly showing Shannon's corpse (which shouldn't exist) inside that place with the other 5 corpses.

>>17935803
>>17935811
Muh elite club.

>>17936905
If you don't like it then leave.

>>17935811
What the fuck? I don't get it. What's wrong with what I said?

>>17936943
Being in a discord is considered being a "normie".

>>17936651
>Wasn't there a thing about accomplices not being able to kill in a gameboard, only the culprit
No, no rule like that is mentioned anywhere. In Episode 8 Yasu talks about bribing the adults to kill people for her so it shouldn't be against the rules

>>17936696
I think that's intentional. It's the same way magic battles can be "shown" if the detective doesn't witness the events directly. Battler doesn't look at her corpse in the manga, Hideyoshi just describes it to him like in the VN. He does look at all the other corpses, but Shannon's is out of his view, behind some bags

My god, Rosa is insane in OMK. That gold ingot attack is crazy.

>>17937203
You get to see Maria naked in a public bath if you beat the game with Rosa.

>>17937203
Rosa is one of the few characters I want to try to get decent with.

>>17937213
BRB playing omk

>>17937203
Her normals are so short and stubby and her 5C's second hit might not connect even if the first does. But I love the gun and gun combos. 623SP is my favorite, I wish I could use it in the air.

>>17935115
Thank you! It turns out that you only have to hold Z, though.

Will has two of them, but I can only do one. How the hell do I use the other?

Why is Happy Maria such a fucking masterpiece?

>>17937301
I'll save you the effort.

>>17936696
>The manga also has a plothole by EP1, explicitly showing Shannon's corpse (which shouldn't exist) inside that place with the other 5 corpses.
It's not different than showing Shannon and Kanon together in random scenes. As long Battle doesn't see it, it can be here.

Holy shit, the 5th episode was massively disappointing until ????, it was like the whole chapter was boring on purpose to lead up to this based ryukishi07

>>17939311

Huh?

I personally really loved it. It gave a lot of insight into Natsuhi's character and finding out that she was the brains behind this operation was quite amazing and hilarious at the same time (Krauss is a fucking moron).

It was a great chapter that fleshed out Natsuhi a lot.

Someone post that old ass picture of Maria pissing in fire.

>>17939330
No, fuck off.

>>17939326
Not him. I liked the parts with Natsuhi and Krauss, but the rest, especially the meta parts, was a huge drag. I almost dropped it. Thank god there was Dlanor for some of those scenes.

>>17939326
>It gave a lot of insight into Natsuhi's character
Said insight actually made me like her LESS as a person.

>>17939397
>VN makes you understand that she killed one of her servant and tried to kill a baby because she didn't want to take care of it
>somehow you like her less
wtf man?

>>17939311
It's been a while since I played, but I remember 5 being one of my favorites. Probably because of Erika and Dlanor though.

>>17939465
But the novel makes it look you should like her more.

>>17939465

As is usually the case in Umineko, the characters aren't black or white, good or evil. To understand Natsuhi's actions, you need to understand everything she went through and how such things could have pushed her to doing what she did.

I'm not justifying her actions, because what she did was legit awful, but it's not like she did it because killing anyone gives her joy.

>>17939397

And I am still allowed to like her as a character even if she's far from a perfect human being.

>>17939819
Oh, I like her as a character, just not as a person.

Episode 5 proves that Eva was right to be suspicious of Natsuhi

Poor Eva - always right about everything. If only she was wasn’t an asshole

>>17939922

>>17934007
>>17934021
>>17934045
I thought only the GM could make a fragment?

How does the catbox even work anyway? Eva survives, it's not a proper catbox.

Could there be a fragment in which Ange's parents come back to her or they stop Yasu?

>>17937622
should be down+down+(attack button)

cant remember which, just try all 3

it's pretty useless though, he just like breakdances on the spot in stopped time

>>17935784
>Most of them are random Christmas versions of the original designs
Because sprites are hand-made, you'd have to remake every frame for a different "skin".

Why did Kinzo's kids give their kids kinzo-tier names? I don't think that was ever properly explained

>>17942972
It might have been to make Kinzo happy, since Kinzo is known to flip out about children's name like with Maria.

>>17942992
Why did Kinzo flip out about Maria's name?

>>17943009
He didn't like her name but Rosa gave it to her anyway.

>>17943023
Oh ok. I thought there may have been some deeper reason than that

>>17942992
>>17943023
I assumed that, as the patriarch of the family, Kinzo was the one who named all the grandkids.
I must have forgot about the Maria thing.

>>17943041
They brought it up during one of their epitaph discussion. Rosa mentioned how the characters in Maria's name matches a part of the epitaph, but then dismisses it as coincidence since Kinzo didn't want Maria to have that name in the first place.

>>17942972
How did Kinzo think RUDOROFU was a good idea?

Can any Anon tell me why Bad Daybreak is soo utterly silly and goofy that it isn't even funny anymore?
Rena beating up da cops with her balde in broad daylight is beyond ridiculous.
https://youtu.be/znXecVRQD48?t=4m54s

>>17943632
As Fredrica says in one of her poems, at some point it all becomes a farce comedy

>>17943632
Is that the version with Satoshi and Okonogi? Why didn't they just add them to the PC version?

I wonder if that PSP game can be emulated without errors.

>>17944213
>Why didn't they just add them to the PC version?
To sell more probably. And it was also released 3 years after the PC version so that may have had something to do with it

>>17935784
EEEEH??? PURINSESU MODOOOO??? ONLY KIDS PLAY PURINSESU MODO!!

>>17944706
I totally heard that in Eva's voice.

>>17935930
You will eventually die someday. You will eventually turn to ashes. That is your destiny as a human.

But if you achieve a great success, you will live forever even after you depart. Those who live beyond their deaths are called gods. I wanted to become one, but I was unable to do so.

You must become a god someday.

So is Hanyuu supposed to be the japanese version of Jesus Christ or something

>>17945002
Sorta, but also sorta like angry manjew from FSN

Dumb hicks just wanted a scapegoat for their problems

How should I convince my roommate to play Umineko? He doesn't mind anime stuff but his only VN experience is Katawa Shoujo.

>>17946923
Just say it is good thing.

In "Our Confession" they talked about three stories. The first story was about the meta-world, the second is about the real Yasu and what is the third story?

>>17946961
Land of the Golden Witch. May be out next summer.

>>17946923
Higurashi or Higanbana are fine too.

Higurashi and Higanbana are fine too.

>>17946923
Higurashi or Higanbana are fine too.

>>17946923
Higurashi and Higanbana are fine too.

Is it possible to figure Umineko out just with the anime? Has anyone done it?

Rich People + Bombs + Mental Illness = Bad Times

>>17948744
Miniature Bombs = Bad Times

Reminder that George/Shannon had literally more real development than Beato/Battler.

>>17946961
First layer is meta, second layer is the Yasu deception, and the third layer is the truth, which is Rosatrice.

>>17948837
Bullshit, their relationship was complete by the start of the series.

>>17949138
>Battler/Beato
>Relationship
lol

>>17930601
Maria is basically loli Jesus. Was Jesus austistic?

>>17949118
Close. But Rosatrice is a misinterpretation of the truth.

>>17946961
3rd layer is "Beatrice was never the culprit, but a person trying to cover for the true murderer out of love, and at the same time she started the witches game hoping that battler might discover the truth and save that person by making them acknowledge their sins."

>>17948837
The boat scene was more development than all of the development between George and Shannon.

>>17949872
>>17949809
>>17949118
Ain't the truth that it was Kyrie and Rudolf, with Yasu's LARP just kind of causing the entire situation?

I mean if there's a hidden truth that hasn't been revealed I'm all ears, but it better be more convincing than Rosatrice

>>17950108
It's the truth to Ange's fragment. I really do wish that the manga just didn't straight out confirm that it was the truth so we can keep making theories.

So who is it better to be helped by, Lambdadelta, or Bernkastel?

>>17950146
Bern has confirmed that miracles don't happen = she has no power.

By modal axiom S5 if something is possibly necessary, then it is necessary = Lambda has the power to bring about anything possible.

This is shown to be the truth in Umineko episode 8, where Lambda basicly saved the day all on her own.

>>17950108
Rosa culprit theory is convincing enough, the problem is that she doesn't work as Beatrice.

I want to deflower EVA-Beatrice.

>>17946961
The third story is the untold one that is somewhere between the magic fiction and the cold truth. Somewhere between the culprit being a fantastical witch and the culprit being a cold, unfeeling tranny who killed everybody at the family conference without remorse there is a third more compassionate story about a troubled youth whose only wish was to be able to experience love, and who thought there was no way out of the hell they had created, and that is the true story of Umineko

>>17950175
Most of the tricks work pretty well. It's the motive and justification that really falls flat.

>>17950326
Is that a shoe rack in the background? Do you think that Yasu owned Yeezys?

>>17950192
Good taste.

>>17950326
>only wish was to experience love
That’s fine, but, uh, the bombs and the guns...

>>17950422
Experiencing love means that you'll end up as a mass murderer t. R07

>>17950377
Again, that's only because the nature of Beatrices possible motive is severly limited thanks to the red truths Virgilia gave. If Rosa was never Beatrice to begin with she has a pretty strong potential motive which is present in the story: She hates her family and blames them for ruining her life, she might even see murdering them as a way of redeeming herself for killing daughturu Beatrice, washing the sins of the Ushiromiya family clean by wiping them off the face of the earth.
She gets Maria to unknowingly assist her with her plans by feeding into her delusions and telling stories about the golden land, how magic supposedly works, etc. She flips out when Maria talks about magic in public because she's afraid that, given that, as far as Rosa knows, she doesn't know what she's participating in, she might let some vital hint slip. In Episode 1 she just blows herself up along with everyone else, in episode 2 she realizes she loves her daughter and tries to get out, but fails, in Ep3 Evatrice coopts her plan, and in Ep4 she finally goes full Kinzo.

as for
"The sin I am now demanding that you remember is not between Ushiromiya Battler and Beatrice.
Ushiromiya Battler has a sin
Because of your sin, people die."
The "you never gave me that horse"-line is the same redherring we got in Higurashi with "you never gave me that doll". In both cases we're supposed to think that someone went on a killing-spree because their feelings weren't returned, and in both cases it's equally cliche anime bullshit. The people on whom Battler running away from the Ushiromiya Family really had a major impact were Rudolf and Ange. I'd say that Battlers sin relates to Ange, which is to say it really is not between him and Beatrice, or any of her supposed alt personalities. His disappearance is the reason Ange started rejecting magic and got kicked out of mariage sorciere, which directly ties into the tragedy which took place in 1986.

The problem with Rosatrice is that it really can’t deal with Yasu(and by extension episodes 6, 7, and 8) without meekly saying Yasu is just some red herring

Willard talks a lot about the heart - does it truly seem like the heart of a story such as Umineko would put the Yasu stuff there just to mislead people?

>>17950640
If the truth was even more beautifully sad than Yasu, then yes.

>>17950640
I do think there's a love-filled explanation for the way Chiru "resolved" the story, even if it was a feint.
"That Beatrice, which is to say, the culprit, the solution we were presented with, was born for Battlers sake", to finally allow him to find peace. She's an illusion created by Tohya -, a beautiful dream which will allow him to find closure and move on from Rokkenjima, though he was unable to find the truth. Umineko uses the resolution as a way of ending the story in an emotionally satisfying way, but not to solve the mystery.

>>17950676
>>17950690
Alright, then, shoot. What do you think really happened?

>>17950690
I still don't know why people are so mad at the ending to Umineko, maybe because it didn't have a Higurashi-like ending where everyone lives and is happy.

>>17950422
Well, a key point to Yasu's plan is that she wanted to be stopped.

You could even argue she may not even be able to carry out the murders in the end.

>>17951211
It's possible since we never see a non-gameboard outcome with her as the murderer. I would say Yasu couldn't kill anyone with her own hands but I can't say for sure if she wouldn't let the explosives go off.

>>17951310
Ultimately I don't even Yasu knew herself, I think she definitely had the INTENT to carry the demon roulette at least, but she may have ended breaking down during it. Writing about murders is easy, shooting people isn't.

>>17951330
How decent is the manga?

>>17951683
Ep 8 manga is generally considered better than the novel episode itself. It was supervised by R07 and it's basically another episode of Umineko.

Worth reading for any Umineko fans.

>>17951800
What about EP1-7?

>>17951848
garbage

>>17951033
It's because most people prefer the magic tear-jerker ending over the superiour trick one.

I feel like I read somewhere about new Umineko stuff, is that true or was I baited?

>>17951911

We're getting bonus content next year, in style of Higurashi Hou.

>>17951911
https://rokkenjima.org/news-07th-live/

>>17951848
Hit or miss, some of them have extra clues like pic related Ep 7 also has some good stuff.

>>17950146
Lambdadelta only helps those who help themselves, and she is fickle.

Bernkastel only helps you if she can watch you crumble and die painfully by the end.

Do not ask witches for help. Do not talk to witches. If a witch approaches you and offers you candies you should seek an adult.

>>17950384
I genuinely love EVA-Beatrice.

>>17952145
I wouldn't go that far, but I find her very attractive.

>>17952145
Best girl

>>17952159

>>17952159
https://youtu.be/6D9xovJMRZI?t=16m10s
best voice actress

>>17952271
Loved her before playing the game again with voice acting and it just added more love to her.

>>17952068
I thought Bern helps people but her heart breaks every time she does, making her more and more cruel.

Anyways only an idiot would go to a witch for help but I imagine they tend to butt in to peoples buisiness anyways

Will WTC5 have a madman at the level of E R I K A F U R U D E?

>Battler Ushiromiya has a sin
>Because of your sin, people die
Is this the most unfair of the red truths?

I mean, shieeeeeeeet, everyone sins, and sometimes small actions can have a far greater impact than we realize.

I'm pretty sure ten year old Battler didn't think flirting with the "loli" meido would have resulted in Dude Bro Massacre Island Adventure 2

>>17953805

To be fair, Beatrice clarified that Battler's sin is just one of many reasons people die.

There's also the whole 'this family is fucking worst' and 'i'm incest child and in love with my own cousins' part that also played a small part.

>>17953825
And the bombs!

Don't forget the bombs!

>>17950812
I've already written about this theory once in the past, and since then I've made some pretty major progress in making it plausible enough to be more than just a thought-experiment. Fundamentally the answer I came across is that Beatrice is another Maria in the same way Sakutarou is, which is to say that she's a vessel, the doll which appears in Jessicas story in 7, and which Ange gets to bring home as a prize in 8.
I guess I'll do a character analysis of Maria first, because otherwise this isn't going to make much sense. Let's begin with the scene which, though repeated chapter after chapter, apparently never played a role in solving the mystery, and served at most as a convenient circumstance for characters to run into Beatrice: Maria finds a withering rose, marks it, and later, when the storm is about to kick in, goes looking for it, as though it were the most important thing in the world. Most people attribute this to pure autism, but if we look a little more closely at Marias character, I believe that this explanation won't be plausible anymore. For instance, let's take Marias story about her mother being controlled by a black witch when she hurts her. Seems like an autistic coping mechanism at first glace, but at the end of Ep2 Maria shows that she understood all along that "there is only one mama, the good one and the evil one are the same person" - and that she extends this understanding to herself, wanting her mother to finally learn that the Maria she hates and the Maria she loves are one and the same person as well.
Same thing with her mother lying about being busy with work when she's meeting her lovers. Maria understands the situation, and yet claims to be ignorant. She does this not for her own, but for her mothers sake. She pretends that the one is hurting her is an evil witch possessing her mother, and that Rosa is hard at work when she's meeting her lover (even though she knows that she's leaving her at most 9 year old daughter to take care of herself for weeks at a time), so that her mother won't feel too guilty, be too ashamed of herself to be able to reach out to her daughter again. Maria knows all of this, so she can't delude herself. That's what truth is, something which can not be un-learned – that point was pretty important to R07. Marias "magic" isn't self-delusion, it's more than just an indication that she has a reflected, sophisticated way of looking at the world. Of course this doesn't change the fact that she's just a kid, - she's still trying to 'uu' her way into her mother heart, tying to make her remember the happy times they spent together, even though it's painfully obvious that that method is never going to work at this point, she gets hung up on bits of magic that worked in the past, expecting to be able to replicate them. But why does she keep spasming out about a rose of all things?
Because the withering rose is a metaphor for Rosas life. She wants to show that even this rose might be able to bloom again, she wants everyone to witness that magic together. (This still works if Rosa isn't the culprit and Maria is just a little girl btw, so if anything I'd like people to at least re-assess their writing-off of Maria as an annoying brat.)
Should I go on?

>>17953915
Actually, the most glaringly obvious connection between Maria and Beatrice would be this:
>the witch of origins which will live one thousand years in the future
>the endless witch which has lived for a thousand years
inb4 ((((coincidence))))

>>17953915
Sure. I see where you're coming from with the nature of truths and lies - I agree with them myself - but I'm a bit puzzled as to how your analysis of Maria and Rosa's relationship points towards a culprit.

>>17953938
I figured the "will live one thousand years in the future" refers to Ange's books with sakutaro as a main character, wich in a way inmortalise Maria's magic.

>>17953950
It doesn't - it points toward the identity of Beatrice, nothing more, nothing less.
Maria, being literate in Japanese, English and Hebrew, having knowledge of the occult and being an expert riddle solver (reminder that she figured out all the identities of the true culprits in Bernkastels game), was the perfect candidate for solving the riddle of the epitaph, and in doing so she gained the title Beatrice. So what would a grade schooler do with 10 tons of gold? Not much. Maria understood that she could not simply reveal the golds location to the Ushiromiya Family – the only way it would bring happiness rather than lead to further conflict would be having them come together to find the gold. This is how she came up with the plan to create that miracle. That challenge took the shape of the witches letter, which she read at the 1986 family conference. If, after finding the gold, she was presented to Kinzo the way we were shown Yasu to have been, then this letter might have actually been Kinzos idea, just like it claimed, which is to say, it would be his final bit of magic, a way of redeeming himself for a life of being a piece of shit.

>>17953968
Sure, that's a legitimate way of reading that statement, even if it's strange that R07 is deliberately phrasing it in the same way as Beatrices title. If that doesn't convince you though, another argument would be the correspondence between Beatrice and Maria. Could Yasu really have been the one who wrote about half of the entries in Marias diary, in handwriting which matched the compensation letters sent to Nanjo’s son and Ushiromiya Marias messagebottles? These entries take place throughout the year, - and the two types of handwriting appear whenever Maria comes up with a new spell. Rosa, for the most part, only visits Rokkenjima during the family conference after all. All of these pieces start falling into place if we go with the straightforward explanation. The bottles aren't a potential murderers messed up fantasies, but imaginary worst-case scenarios, from which the sad truth could be inferred if the plan were to go wrong after all. "You who have read this. Please find out the truth. That's my only wish. —— Ushiromiya, Maria"
Imo a lot of the Maria-Beato interactions are pretty telling, though of course non of them are decisive. The scene in which she she tries to revive Sakutarou might be the most useful because Beato used a lot of red here:
"This is my Golden Land
A world where magic that isn't mine certainly cannot exist
[And my] magic was not able to revive Sakutarou
That stuffed animal is a special stuffed animal
Made by Rosa for her daughter's birthday, and in the entire world, the only[,] "
In Beatrices golden Land no magic other than her own exists. Maria doesn't believe, and because she doesn't believe 'Beatrice' is unable to revive him. Therefore Maria is Beatrice. That is also the reason why Beatrice tries to say that Sakutarou is the only one of his kind in the world, - to regain her own trust in her mothers love for her. And in being unable to finish the sentence she finally knows the cold truth. Again, if she were not Maria, this knowledge is precisely what should allow her to revive Sakutarou - after all she now knows that there must be other vessels she could use to do so.

Are there any other pictures like this?

>>17953805
To be fair, if Battler hadn't made that promise to Shannon she would have quit her job YEARS ago. But thanks to Battler, she stayed on the island, solved the epitaph, got into several impossible relationships and ended up trapped in a hell of her own making. It's Battler's fault that she ended up in such a situation.

>>17954208
>Maria
>being literate in Japanese, English and Hebrew
Are you serious? She can barely read kanji, doesn't know any English and only memorized the hebrew text in some magic circles thanks to her autism. Hell, she could be wrong about the meaning of the magic circles and nobody in the family would know any better

>>17954462
>literally goat-tier reasoning
Come on anon, you can do better than that. There was a scene in which Battler tried and failed to read the inscription on the chapel and Maria read it out and translated it for him. He even commented with "I guess you really have to be young to learn English", or something along those lines.

>>17954398

Pretty much any damedame cap is hilarity.

>>17954439
>It's Battler's fault that she ended up in such a situation.
It isn't. It's all her fault. She even says hat in red.

Ultimately, Yasu's fate was of her own making. If she had told George the truth for example, he would have accepted her and took her away from the island. If she had sent Battler a letter or tried to reach her, she would solve a lot of her problems.

But she never did, she was always the passive one.

>>17954643
>>17954398

>>17954439
>It's Battler's fault that she ended up in such a situation.
It isn't. It's all her fault. She even says that in red.

Ultimately, Yasu's fate was of her own making. If she had told George the truth for example, he would have accepted her and took her away from the island. If she had sent Battler a letter or tried to reach him, she would solved a lot of her problems.

But she never did, she was always the passive one.

>>17956274
Bernkastel constantly insults and laughs at Erika like she forgot that Erika is literally her.

>>17954398

>>17954398
And this

>>17956669
I do like how at almost every opportunity George gets, he mentioned wanting and having children with Shannon.

>>17954398

>>17956766
>>17956685
>>17956669
>>17955954
Thanks.

Why didn't Kinzo just give the inheritance to Genji and Nanjo? They deserve it more than his stupid children.

Post best Beatos,

>>17956905

>>17956669
>>17956685
George is the fucking star of these

>>17956669
This is actually kinda.

>>17956669
>>17956967
What does he tell her in the original scene?

>>17956967
I'm sad that Yasu was so pessimistic about how George would reach to her, she even wrote a store where she tells him, gets rejected and she murder-suicides.

>>17956980
Usually George is talking about how he wants to have children with Yasu which im sure is just as bad if not worse than a tranny hating spiel

>>17956985
You are talking about episode 2? We don't know what happened during that scene and at that point she already had murdered people.

Yasu imagined confessing to George and George rejecting her, so her negative thoughts took over. I wish she had had more confidence in herself.

>>17957096
It's amazing how much the manga changed people view of Yasu.

>>17956891
They probably wouldn't accept it.

>>17956992
The manga shows it pretty clearly.

>>17957221
Yeah, but at that point she had already murdered tons of people and such.

>>17957249
But she felt bad about it:(

>>17957257
Did she though?

>>17956669
Shannon is not a tranny.

>>17956891
>>17957211
>Genji
Doesn't care, he's probably suicidal since Kinzo died anyway. I always wondered if was in love with him, especially given Ronove is his meta-self.


>Nanjo
He definitely would take some money.

Why do so many fans claim that Yasu is a tranny? She is not.

There are no transgender characters in Umineko.

>>17957790
>There are no transgender characters in Umineko.
Kanon and Shannon are of different sexes, so either way Yasu is always transgender.

>>17957790
The term has lost all meaning anyway thanks to Tumblr. For me, a tranny is either a dude that dresses up as a girl or a person who literally changes their gender by taking hormones and undergoing surgeries.

>>17957798
Yasu is an underdeveloped genderless freak raised as a girl. That's not a tranny in my book.

>>17957824
>>17957832
Transsexuals are people who identity as the opposite gender that doesn't match their bodies.

Yasu was born as a boy and identifies as a girl.

>>17957836

The problem is that Sayo was probably declared a girl at the orphanage due to their lack of genitals. By the time Sayo came to Rokkenjima, she had an already established female gender.

There is a difference between Sayo growing up as a boy and feeling like a girl, and Sayo being labeled as a girl from birth but then growing up and realizing something is wrong with their body.

>>17957906
Alright, but then you have Kanon who is a boy. She feels a girl but it's comfortable enough slipping into a male persona.

Yasu clearly doesn't fit into the "normal" girl spectrum, she's completely flat and has boyish feature when the make-up and wings come out.

How else would you categorize her?

>>17957932

I'd say she's close to being trans, but not exactly. Remember, Kanon doesn't begin to exist until later, so it is clear that Sayo didn't have any issues with her gender at first.

Semi-trans? If that's even a thing?

If anything, I'd call Sayo gender-fluid because she easily switches between two genders and feels comfortable in both.

>>17957940
Yes, but Yasu is also batshit insane, so I think it's definitely fair to call her a tranny

>mfw I learned what is the solution
Ryu is a hack.

>>17957940
>>17957940
I can agree, but when you remove everything (What if about Lion, furniture complex etc), you still have someone raised a girl that identifies as a girl in a male body. She still somehow falls under the T spectrum, even if I don't think R07 was going for that specifically.


I think Lion would have been most likely a dude without gender issues at all and Yasu is comfortable enough with both sexes (Though you could make an argument about her being ore aligned with her female selves rather than Kanon)

>>17957967
What exactly did you not like? I know the opinion of ordinary people, but I prefer to read reviews.

>>17958009
Kanon=Shannon is a huge letdown. I can somewhat stomach the fact that Shannon=Beatrice/Yasu/Lion, but a person pretending to be two different people and different genders that manages to fool everyone including romantic interests is something I can't accept, even if it fits the theory of the game.

Also, detonating half of the island is stupid as well

>>17958076

That's mostly on the gameboard. I doubt the plan would have worked as well in the real world.

Also, makeup does wonders, you'd surprised.

>>17958093
Not that anon, but she still successfully fooled the family and the people she knew like Jessica and Goerge for years.

Even in the gameboard the story has to make sense and work with in-real life logic.

>>17958102
I don't see how it would be hard? She didn't meet with Jessica/George that often, in fact she wasn't even close with Jessica at all. I doubt she actually paraded around as Kanon commonly, maybe a few days a month, plus she had Genji/Kumasawa/Nanjo to go along with her charade.

>>17957836
But a six year old boy has more testosterone than Kanon. Yasu doesn't have a male body.

>>17958143

Adding to this, it's quite simple. Kanon stays away from George and Jessica, and isn't too close to either of them. It's not like they spent hours talking together where it would become obvious who they were talking to.

>>17958151

Just because a boy is slim doesn't make them a girl. Especially if Sayo lived a girl's lifestyle since she was born.

>>17958143
>I don't see how it would be hard?
To begin with, they have the same face and would sound similar. Make-up doesn't do miracles without altering face pattern. Heck, they even do the same job!

Does OMK give each character a different AI? I've noticed that Ronove blocks a lot more than other characters. And Lambda keeps eating me in hard mode. She does that constantly as soon as I approach her. I don't see other characters using their grab so often.

Battler is an asshole in hard mode too. He seems to be the only character that spams the shit out of their meta special without wasting even a single second. Others could do the same thing but they don't.

>>17958076
Loosing their genitals as a baby likely messed with Yasu's hormones, leaving them with an androgynous body that could pass for either male or female.

They also spent years altering their appearance and behavior on a daily basis even before "Kanon" was created.

They wouldn't have to fool everyone much. Only members of the main family and other servants were around on a regular basis.

Also they had Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo all helping them.

>>17958172

>To begin with, they have the same face

Make up.

>and would sound similar

Sayo being able to speak in a deeper voice is probably a given.

>Make-up doesn't do miracles

Have you seen some make up videos? And it's not just the face, but also different clothes, hair and fake boobs. The face thing can be easily avoided as long as Kanon isn't too close to either Jessica or George.

>Heck, they even do the same job!

It was already established that older servants took care of that.

>>17958161
He's not a girl either. Yasu has no gender. XY chromosomes only get you so far, but if you grow up all your childhood without the influence of sexual hormones, you end up without a real biological gender. It has happened before in real life.

>>17958203
>Make up.
Which wouldn't change their face or the shape.

>Sayo being able to speak in a deeper voice is probably a given.
You are missing the point. Speaking with a different voice is very hard and something only professional VAs can accomplish. Yet Yasu can perform this feat without any training. (She can also speak a different voice as Beato)

>Have you seen some make up videos? And it's not just the face, but also different clothes, hair and fake boobs. The face thing can be easily avoided as long as Kanon isn't too close to either Jessica or George.
Err, George and Jessica and everyone meet Kanon multiple times.

>It was already established that older servants took care of that.
You seem to have misunderstood. They have the same job, as the both work as servants on Rokkenjima.

>>17958235
It's not just the sound of one's voice that can be changed but also the mannerisms and personality one speaks with. Kanon doesn't exactly seem to speak very much either, he seems to be very quiet.

Do we know how often the others meet Kanon? I can understand Shannon actively meeting with the cousins, but Kanon seems like he tries to keep his distance and come off as sticking to his assigned tasks as a servant.

The weirdest thing about Shkanon is that Yasu became Kanon before becoming the heir, so she apparently found the courage to tell Kumasawa and Genji about it without any reassurance about her gender and the fact they would have backed her up.

>>17958281
Kanon was 'born' before she found the gold yeah, but we don't know if she actually started acting as kanon before that.

>>17958291
The manga confirms it, but the VN leaves it up to interpretation.

>>17958299
I fucking hate the manga

>>17958304
The manga is great, if anything the fact they address how shkanon works in universe makes it less shaky.

>>17958304
Why? It elaborates on so much.

>>17958321
I feel like all it elaborated on was already there in the VN if you looked hard enough, and the new things added (like what happened with yasu and battler on that day) weren't needed

>>17958281
She does say that they were like parents to her. It makes sense that she would trust them

>>17958371
>It makes sense that she would trust them
Yeah, not really. Gender issues are the last thing people tend to discuss with their parents, and I would imagine even more in Japan 1860.

>>17958331

>if you looked hard enough

LMAO. The VN doesn't even come close to addressing the fact just how fucked up Yasu was about the events that led to her doing what she did.

>>17958382
It did though, there were lots of people who picked up on it even before the manga came out

>>17958400

It didn't even come close. We got one ambiguous scene of Sayo finding out about her genitals and despairing, and then after that nothing. The VN omitted all the really fucked up parts such as Sayo realizing she was in love with her cousins, the inner conflict within Sayo, and her despair when realizing that she was the product of incest.

>>17958331
Completely disagree, Yasu comes off as a much better characters in the manga.

I don't care how gay it is. I would a shannon. All night. All damn gay night.

>>17958478
I would Old Yeller a Shannon and pick up Jessica on the rebound

>>17958424
The VN doesn't reveal everything directly, but that doesn't mean you can't figure it out. Only a dumb goat would assume that there isn't more to Yasu's character and treat the couple of things revealed in the VN as a satisfying motive for her actions. If you put yourself in that situation, you can imagine how she became so hopeless.

The VN wants the readers to empathize with Yasu and figure out all the other stuff by themselves.

The manga is necessary for most people (myself included), but it spoonfeeds you the full answer and doesn't require you to think beyond that. You get to know Yasu's motivation and mindset, but you don't necessarily have to empathize with her to reach it. It's given to you in the same way Higurashi did.

>>17958508
I could empathize with Yasu in the novel itself, but it's really hard to grasp the depth of the despair she felt or why she didn't do some things without seeing it directly.

Doesn't ShKanon theory along with accomplices contradict the red truth of the games?

>>17958542
>Shkanon
>Theory

<Die the Death>

>>17958542
Show an example. I've reread the whole thing and everything fit perfectly.

>>17958478
It's not gay in the golden land.

How did Ryukishi manage to create better waifus than the five Higurashi goddesses? There are so many best girls in Umineko, it's ridiculous. And I'm not even counting Bernkastel, Dlanor or the aunts, but I'm sure some people find them hot.

>>17958551
It looks like they drew the expression on its own first then glued it to her face.

>>17958598
Will he surpass himself again in WTC 5? It'll be hard to beat Umineko's female cast.

>>17958590

ALL

NIGHT

>>17958647
Every position

In Bernkastel's game with purple truths, the culprits are Battler, Rudolf and Kyrie.

Rudolf and Kyrie were playing dead and did the 1st and 2nd twilight. But it was said in red that culprit did kill 6 people, which is everyone from 1st and 2nd twilights. But culprit was defined as someone "who murders", so either Kyrie or Rudolf had to commit all the murders in mansion, but then either Kyrie or Rudolf didn't kill a single person, therefore not qualifying for the "culprit" title, and people who are not culprits may not cooperate with culprits.

What am I missing here.

>>17958679
Good thing I still have my notes. Also, Rudolf and Kyrie can be switched around obviously.

>1st twilight
[Dining Hall]
[Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, Kyrie, Rosa, Genji]
Rudolf killed everyone else besides the Kyrie.
Meanwhile, Kyrie heads outside towards the guesthouse.

>2nd twilight
[Natsuhi's Room]
[Natsuhi, Krauss]
Rudolf killed these two and hid himself.

>4th twilight
[Rose Garden]
[Shannon, Kanon]
Jessica: Impossible for George to be the murderer
Battler kills Shannon/Kanon.

>5th/6th twilights
[Guesthouse's Servants' Breakroom]
[Gohda, Kumasawa]
Jessica: The four cousins and Nanjo couldn't have killed Gohda and Kumasawa
Kyrie killed Gohda and Kumasawa.

>7th twilight
[Entrance hall of the guesthouse]
[Nanjo]
Jessica: Maria, Battler, George and I couldn't have killed Nanjo.
George: No one could kill Nanjo inside the guesthouse
Kyrie killed Nanjo.
Battler unlocks the front door. Nanjo gets pushed out and Kyrie kills him.
His corpse is then moved to the entrance.

>8th twilight
[Grounds]
[Jessica]
Maria: The three of us (George, Maria, Battler) couldn't have killed Jessica.
Kyrie killed Jessica.

>>17958746
that makes sense

Hideyoshi is the best character.

"Could you give it a rest, Eva?"

"Yes, you are a witch! A witch of the kitchen!"

"<Death by hanging>! Get it? <Death by hanging>!"

>>17958900
Hideyoshi is a pretty nice dude on the gameboard, literally his only fault is he enables Eva too much by being an accomplice.

Our based Overlords over at Umineko Project have began Alpha testing EP 5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ERQJIF7dss

>>17959446
Don't they have an inferior translation?

>>17959551
God yes. It's not garbage, but it's really inferior. Some of the lines are cringeworthy. The old witch hunt translation without any stupid patches is the best way to experience Umineko.

The steam translation is fine too, but they changed some classic lines a bit and somehow added typos where the Witch Hunt translation has none. They are very few, though.

For me, the biggest problem with the steam version is that it's done by Mangagamer. They are incompetent fools and I hate the engines they use for Higurashi and Umineko. The originals felt so much better. Their engine can't even animate falling rain, so their version has static rain drawn onto the backgrounds. It makes for a slightly weaker experience overall.

It's just my opinion, though.

Also, they really should stop advertising the game on Steam with that ugly ass, anime ass, generic ass gypsy Battler. I'm 100% sure that the original graphics would actually boost the sales.

>>17959551
>>17959446
I wish you could use witch hunt's translation with their port.

>>17959610
A full PS3 port with Witch Hunt's original translation would be the best thing ever.

>>17959551
>>17959597
The translation is not the problem, the edited scenes are
Just look at the scene before the credits and the scene after the credits in here https://youtu.be/JOEDPG_fIpI
They split them up for no reason and made them inferior

>>17959659
That is an issue I wish they'd fix. I wonder if it was actually like that in the original PS3 game or if they changed for some kind of formatting reasons. Still, it's not enough to dissuade me from playing it.

Why is EVA-Beatrice so perfect?

>>17959777
She's kinda annoying isn't she

>>17959781
She's got the most annoying laugh in the series.

I know this is kinda unrelated to the series but a friend of mine who hated Higurashi and dropped it halfway into Onikakushi is now really into DDLC and I know they're not the same type of VN but still it makes me sad.

>>17959853
It happens. All it happens. Let it happens.

>>17959810

>>17933437
What was his original function?

>>17959935
Nappi's manservant

>>17959948
I would have absolutely hated this, good thing it didn't happen. I can't think of anything more that would go against Natsuhi's character more than anything other than the chapter 5 allegation.

>>17959998
It wouldn't have gone against Natsuhi's character because Natsuhi was probably meant to be a completely different character at first.
I'm glad things turned out the way they did though.

>>17960013
What a weird world it would have been.

>>17959853
I didn't get get that far into DDLC, but all I could think about during the parts I did play was that it was just a poor man's Higurashi.

>>17960027
The thing is there probably won't be anything like Higurashi that will be better than it, same with Umineko.

>>17959610
>>17959551
>>17959597
The translation was edited by witch hunt guys, you dummies. It IS WH translation with some changes to be more faithful.

>>17960152
The PS3 port known as the Umineko Project has its translation and writing done by a different team, as far as I know. But the one published by MangaGamer is indeed still the same Witch Hunt team.

>>17958519

Agreed. VN gives you clues, but it's far away from truly portraying Sayo's misery. The manga actually makes you understand why Sayo did what she did. In the VN, that is not portrayed at all.


>>17958542

It doesn't. The red truth is worded in a specific way to allow Shkanon work. And even when Kanon and Shannon are both dead, we have Sayo going around killing people.

Erika did 9/11

>>17961238
I'm terribly sorry anon, but

>>17961271
She's the Witch of Truth so no contradiction there

>>17959659
They didn't do that, that's how the scene is in the actual PS3 game. My guess is that it's like that so the music will sync up with the credits

So who else is replaying Umineko now, with the new MG version complete?

I just started Episode 2 yesterday, and it seems like it's really picking up and making me feel the emotional lives of the characters.

>>17962108
Is it your first playthrough?

>>17962399
I am an idiot and didn't read at all.
>>17962108
I replayed it recently with the MG translation and the game felt even better going through it the second time, catching all the subtle hints and despair in a lot of the dialogue, mostly when shit like children is said to Shannon.

BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, THEY NEEDED A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW!

DON'T HUMILIATE THE DEAD! DON'T HUMILIATE THE DEAAAAD!

SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I AM A WITCH, RIGHT?

<DEATH BY HANGING>

>>17931586
False.

>>17962617
What's the best way to translate all-katakana speaking that isn't just turning it into CAPS LOCK ENGLISH

>>17962915
Bold or italicized text?

Why in the literal name of fuck do EP2 and EP3 have unused openings that would fit much better than the opening of EP1?

What is some kind of mistake? Why does it persist in the Steam version then?

>>17963177
The EP2 opening spoils Shkanon and kind of hints at Tohya. But I really like that portrait of Maria in the golden rose garden.

Where is the best place to download ps3 umineko without dealing with all those patches which requires the original game?

>>17963191
Holy shit I never even noticed that the OP for EP2 has Shannon and Kanon slowly fuse into one. That's amazing. Also I think I'd rather have the portrait of Maria in the rose garden than the portrait of Beatrice.

>>17963619
PS3 emulation is garbage, but the Umineko Project is basically a program that recreates the PS3 version. The translation is kind of shit, though. And it has many problems exclusive to the PS3 version, like that thing with the credits.

>>17963884
Idk dude kinda looks to me like they're just sliding next to each other

>>17963177
I have never seen or knew there was unused openings for 2 and 3.

>leaves for a valid reason
>wahh battler didnt keep his promise, time to kill family
>battler somehow feels bad for something that really isnt even his fault, it was just some crazy tranny being crazy

is battler the biggest cuck ever?

>>17964077
They come with the game as video files, but they are never used.

>>17964091
More like he's not a dickhead

>>17964091
Meta Battler is a delusion of yasu. Gameboard Battler is nothing but a character in a written story. We never see the real Battler or the real anybody.

>>17964127
how is battler at fault for what happened is my question, he geniuely takes blame for what happened on rokkenjima

>>17964091
Who are you quoting?

>>17964183
Would look good without the caption on the bottom and the sprites cleaned up a bit.

>>17964168
Well the fact that he feels guilty for a tragedy in the causes of which he played a very decisive role in isn't really related to the question of should he feel guilty.

>>17964203
The higher quality version is too big to post.

>>17964164
Meta Battler is Tohya's lost identity as Battler.

>>17964183
Why is Rudolf's skin color so different from rest of the siblings?

>>17964307
Being in America does that to you.

>>17964307
Battler and Rudorofu are jocks that spend a lot of time outside.

I like how the manga makes Kanon look really sinister and creepy. He is even more disturbing than the witch.

>>17964307
Kinzo was the same when he was younger. Before he turned into a deranged hermit.

>>17963177
are they uploaded? i don't even remember such an op

>>17964562
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGt5vTPeX54

>>17964183
>just noticed Kanon's clitchy arm
It's a shame.

>>17964597
>spanish subtitles
Why do spics love Umineko so much?

>>17964702
Spainards just love anime in general.

>>17962404
The huge foreshadowing is one of my favorite part of the novel

>>17964736
>Kanon shows Jessica his lack of dick and kills Jessica because she is disgusted
>confesses to George, gets reject and kills him, Gohda and herself because of it
Episode 2 was a rough time for Yasu's psyche.

The more I think I about it, the more I dislike Umineko.
Because as it turns out, the game blatantly lies to you since the very beginning and the only things you can trust are things that Battler sees with his very eyes or what is said in red. You can't even trust the game menu.

George might as well never have given a ring to Shannon since Battler didn't see this. The siblings might as well had a sexual orgy instead of inheritance dispute since Battler didn't see it. Kanon might as well be raping Jessica with a broom handle instead of what we see.

I very much prefered the single, first-person point of view in Higurashi.

>>17964787

Except the manga itself confirms most of the things. Also, the novel only really wants to trick you in regards to the murders and the appearances of the fantasy creatures.