/jp/ - Otaku Culture

how goes the fight Mahjong bros? you keeping it together?

breaking even over here, worried I'm fighting an impeding tidal wave...

>>17850077
Month started bad, been recouping my losses. I just want to make it back to fucking 5th dan already, being stuck in 4th is an embarrassment.

>>17850077
I got disconnected during a match when my internet cut and I went to autodiscard
Lost by a mile and it really fucked my points

>>17850077
I played three hanchans in ippan as a NoName to try to get a feel for how Tenhou works. I came in fourth in all three of those games whilst only winning one hand, my opponents failed to get any hands valued less than a mangan, and I got kokushi musou'd in the final game.

I'm going to coward out and study the book more, maybe try again next month when this bad luck has blown over.

>>17851090
Getting hit by a kokushi in your first 3 games? That's really harsh.

>>17851172
I like to think of it as making the other player's day with a yakuman. After all, I was already going to lose given my luck, and it'd be disappointing to get so close and miss the chance. But, I am a weirdo who feels happy when they play mahjong. Just need to get better so I can give my opponents more entertaining matches than them curbstomping the newbie.

>>17851227
I think you're doing the right thing by playing as a noname so you can learn via actual play at no risk. eventually once you are comfortable with the game you can try ranked, but no rush

To the anon that asked about live mahjong, how did it go?

>>17849487
Green League. Good stuff

>>17850077
Started a new account for my phone.

2+6+4+3 = 15戦

This is not the ippan that I remember.

Who else here struggles to play more than one game a night because they get too freaked out and excited by the first game

after getting ronned E1 this felt really good

>>17851487
I'll probably get to play next month. I'm currently watching videos on YouTube and studying strategy. Thanks for all the advice you gave. I'll let you know how it goes.

>eat curry
>make love to my woman
>whip out phone
>two consecutive first places

g'night lads, hope your friday was as good as mine

Mahjong player directory:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iu_LIFGk4P4AyHTK1dR9kso71m08lGbQ0TeZI9y4gZg/

You can add yourselves to the list by filling out this form:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScqQ22CIyRLAiXk1dovJCZlA6zjrxrHFrOoeIvqz6GQ5Rk6Qw/viewform

>>17850077
5+5+4+1

Just got my first 4th this month.

>"wow guys so many tsumos can I get one too?"
>"no"

Does anyone take pauses seriously? Like if there's a really random pause on a non-honor tile is it normal to treat it as "suspicious?"

Also does tenhou reflect tsumo-giri and te-dashi's accurately? Like, does anyone look at where a tile comes from or is kara-giri basically just a waste of time?

>>17852208
It can give you some hints, so yes, you probably want to pay attention to that. That can also mean poor connection, though.
>Also does tenhou reflect tsumo-giri and te-dashi's accurately?
Yes for tsumogiri, but tile position for hand discards are randomized IIRC, so you can't tell if those are from set or junk tiles.

>>17852208
It's not a reliable method at all. I'm pretty sure Tenhou adds random pauses to not put players with a slow connection at a disadvantage. I can't count how many times I see a tile get a long stop, and thinking someone had a pair and decided not to call it, I deal the same tile, only for it to pass right away without a pause.

Lately, I've been getting pissed at people who play very slowly, though, so sometimes I just let the timer sit for 15 seconds on a random regular discard just to throw people off and piss them off a little bit.

>3:0

>>17850077
My first contact with Ippan was horrible, lost straight 20 games

After sleeping on it, things got much better though

1:0

>>17854709
>2:0

>3:0

Good game lads

>>17854957
yea I really need to learn more on defense so that S2 doesn't happen again

>>17854974
What happened in S2?
I forgot

>>17855080
well it was either S2 or S3, when I made 2 dumb calls and dealt into a baiman

>>17852421
People like you are why 15 second timer people exist.
You get pissed and let it sit, then someone like you gets pissed and also let's it sit. I know it's maddening when people play slow but doing that doesn't help.
An eye for an eye makes the world go blind; be the better man and just play normally.

>>17855119
That was my baiman anon
Honestly I forgot that Honitsu was a thing and was going for Junchan Tanyao originally
So it was a pretty stupid wait that happened to get lucky

Has there ever been a /jp/ tournament?

>>17855646
Yeah. Haven't had one since early 2016 though. We should have another.

>>17855664
How did brackets and advancement work?

>>17855760
It was top 2 advance in each set which was 2 hanchan until the final that was 4. People that were signed up early got a first round bye. Single elimination all the way to the final.

>>17855760
The biggest problem seemed to be time zones. Organizing it where half the people are burgers/leafs, a quarter are yuros, and a quarter from straya was very difficult. When a lot of people had less than 4 hours a day available on weekdays, it became a mess. Having a couple NEET around that didn't really have much of a fixed schedule helped balance things out a bit.

>>17855880
Weekday matches sound like a pain to organise but then again, weekend matches would mean only one or two matches per week.

How do I stop myself from dealing into silent riichis?

>>17856412
what is a silent riichi

>>17856414
Closed tenpais where they don't declare riichi.

>>17856426
How is it a riichi?

>>17856426
So, damaten? Or yamiten? Or silent tenpai. Anyway, if a very dangerous or very safe tile comes out around the midgame you can start being more weary. Though sometimes someone will reach damaten for pinfu iipekou tanyao dora discarding only terminals and honors until t7 and there's nothing you can do but deal in at that point. But yeah, pay attention to their discards, watch for key tiles dropping from their hand.

>S3, safe 2nd place but had considerable gap against 1st
>1st called terminal pon very early
>draw chun tile, decided to keep it
>later he called 2nd time, indicating honitsu, still no other chun tile appeared
>somehow tenpai chiitoi, called riichi wait on chun
>he pushed 3rd call, discard chun to pursue chinitsu
>ron, direct hit enough for go-ahead
Outskilled, He later tsumo honitsu on S4 to win the game but whatever.

>>17856547
Nice play senpai.

>>17856412
Win when you're supposed to and you'll survive bullshit

>3位
wew

wonder how long this will last

Russia STRONK

http://kml.or.kr/iormc/ranking.php?year=2017&ckattempt=1

>Doing great, first place with 42k points
>Get disconnected
>By the time I come back I dealt in 5 times and lost 30k points
>End up last because FUCK YOU

Shit like this really ruins my day.

>>17857784
>before learning Mahjong
>after learning Mahjong

>>17858484
But which is which?

>>17858831
I don't know about you but I was a lot happier before knowing about this witchcraft of chinese dominoes.

Do you ever get ron'd so hard you cry?

>>17858968
In this match >>17857784 I got double ronned by a double closed wait for a double mangan while I was disconnected. I'm pretty sure if I was in control when that happened I'd have cried.

>coming out from fourth place into third in the last round by just 300 points
You ever feel relieved to come in third?

>>17859068
All the time. It's more important than winning at least on Tenhou.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u81ZXWjtdQ

>these lesbian powers

>>17861104
>seacocks cap

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017110702gm-0029-0000-3672a24e&tw=3
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017110703gm-0029-0000-74dd5200&tw=3

These were my last two games. I need to stop running into these lesbians having the time of their lives.

>>17862241
>Complaining about getting second in Tokujou

>>17857784
I had the opposite happen to me today

>get ronned like a motherfucker by dealer in East 4
>2k points, I think it's all over
>East 4 ends on a draw, with me being the only one in tenpai
>South 1 has me as a dealer
>either pull some cheap-ass hand or be in tenpai every single time
>slowly but surely, get back to 20k points
>end up in second place
>mfw

That fucking game took over an hour and I almost missed my bus for work, but it was oh so worth it

1:0

I played so poorly

>>17863720
Git gud

>get Suu An Kou
>holy shit
>gotta pick between two waits
>4 man or 5 sou
>a guy before me just cut 5 sou on riichi so I wait on that, hoping for an easy bait
>round goes around
>I draw
>4 man

It hurts
It hurts so much

>>17865529
I'm sure you realise someone cutting 5s before you means that you have one less winning tile on an already difficult tanki, right? Also, dealing the 4m on a riichi could have ended up with you dealing in and kiling off your suu an kou; 5s is a genbutsu to keep your yakuman alive. Of course, I can't see how the board was actually like so I'm basing this off what you're saying.

I like to do tricky shit too like running atozuke hands and trying to feed when I'm in first but the most important thing in this style of play is that you can't be mad no matter what happens. The one time it pays off will be orgasmic, just keep trying.

>>17865836
It was already pretty late into the round and at that point my logic usually goes "if nobody cut it even once, they might be sitting on an kou of it, or a pair" but yeah, it was dumb of me

>>17865848
Nah, it's not that bad; there was valid reasoning behind it. In another timeline, your plan would have paid off and you would be laughing your ass off.

So where was it? Dead wall or was someone trying to push?

>>17865881
I dunno, after I discarded that second 4m, the guy who declared riichi got a tsumo

>>17865887
Open everyone's hands and check the walls. You should be watching your replays to learn from them .

>>17865899
I suppose

I know how to open hands, but how to show the walls?

>>17865899
>the guy who declared riichi cut it from a pair

Motherfucker. I assume the other one was in the dead wall because nobody was holding it

what a concidnce, I was also in suuankou tenpai last night. my wait was shanpon however, which meant no ron.

I stayed dama and passed on a win... but after a few turns and other players' riichi, I gave up on getting the tsumo and ron'd for a mangan.

sad, but not tragic.

>>17865926
Change tenhou.net/0 to tenhou.net/3 and there should be a 牌山 option.

>>17865948
Oh, well, that makes replays easier. Thanks.

Is there any Mahjong video game I could play with a story mode or something? Haven't been able to complete many games in a while but I think I'd be able to get through it if it's Mahjong related.

>>17867476
The closest example I can think of are mahjong sidequests in Yakuza

>>17867476
Maybe Saki game and Kindai All Stars.

Does a Saki strip mahjong game exist?

>>17867907
Yes, it's the official game.

3:0

heavysweating.png

>>17869832
I can feel it! It's time!

Also post your face when this happens

>>17869852

New article
https://mahjong.guide/2017/11/08/toitoi-dash/

What method of counting do the 1-9 tiles in Japanese use? I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it.

>>17872602
What do you mean?

>>17872700
like ii, ryan, san, sou, u etc. Is this a special chinese counting system only used in mahjong? I've never heard it used anywhere else in Japanese.

>>17872738
Isn't it chinese?

Will sega mahjong work with two people from the same IP? Me and my roommate want to play but tenhou doesnt allow two players from the same IP in one room

>>17872738
I always thought it was just another set of onyomi readings but they're apparently not so yeah, it seems like they're only used in mahjong.

I have an honest question being a drunk anon. How much did anime have on your decision to start playing mahjong?

>>17873670
I aim for rinshan everytime I can call kan.

>>17873670
0
You sound like you want a story so here's one:
My friend was on a family holiday to Japan and on the plane, there was in-flight riichi mahjong where passengers played against each other. With no knowledge of how to play, he and his brother got trashed. After the flight, they read up about mahjong and bought a mini mahjong set since the two of them + 2 parents meant 4 player mahjong was possible. With an actual set to play with, he introduced it to our circle of friends and so the 5 of us learnt how to play mahjong.

>>17873670
I had a friend who played and I thought it looked neat. I was also hungry for more Fukumoto mangan after finishing Kaiji and Kurosawa so I learned how to play in order to understand Akagi. I'd say it was a conjunction of those factors.

>>17873670
I was first introduced to it from an unusual source: xxxholic. the show itself isnt that great but one episode featured the mc trying to play against other characters with little knowledge of the rules. I was intruiged and downloaded 4winds to try it out. unknown to me at the time I was playing with chinese rules tossing tiles but it became a passtime. it's really only been 3 or years since I actually learned the real rules.

I recently fufilled my long-time dteam of acheiving ryuuiisou, thanks Yuuko

>>17873670
I just wanted to beat a sidequest chain in Yakuza 2. Woke up weeks later, with more time spent on mahjong with AI than the actual game

>>17873670
There was a mahjong workshop at a convention where I took the oppurtunity to actually learn the basics. Afterwards I watches Saki and Akagi and always had the urge to play myself after a couple of episodes

>>17873670
>to start playing mahjong
Saki made the game look interesting.

>>17873670
Completely due to anime. After Akagi I felt I wanted to dig deeper into the game, and the Flash version was interesting enough to get me to commit to learning it. 7447 was enough to get me pushing forward in Tenhou.

>>17873670
100% Can't remember the first show that got me interested but I think it was teekyuu. That and seeing that image of a daisangen at a card table I think. I think Akagi was the first mahjong anime I watched though, then Saki.

>>17873670
I saw people talking about Akagi on /a/ years ago and the art style and general premise interested me. Watched through it and then studied up and started playing.

What's your worst habit in playing and how do you plan to correct it?

>>17849487
artist?

Oh my god I can't believe it

>>17876695
>he didn't riichi his important hand
not a man

>>17876695

>>17876719
Would've been too obvious haha

>>17876661
dunno, got it off the green league site. reverse search maybe?

>>17876695
An all tanyao pond on a kokushi, what the hell?

Meijinsen starts in two hours. ASAPIN's brother is commentating.

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv307817220

>using a rack

>>17877998
Cool wait. You're dealer so it's 48k, right?

How old are you?

>>17850077
I got mindbroken during the last few weeks because one of my friends I play with was landing huge wins on me all the time and meanwhile I got either shit hands or got cucked by open tanyao, general bad luck and yolo playstyle to the point I proposed to go kuitan nashi and disregard playing strictly to the latest EMA rules today.

Going kuitan this year was a mistake. It got so bad to the point that every other hand was open tanyao during our games.

>2:0

>>17880181
>I proposed to go kuitan nashi
and I bet they rejected it since changing the rules just because you can't win is childish.
Even though the others are going for kuitan, why don't you follow them? Why are you scared of kuitan? What's your fear?
Use that against them and make them fear it as well. If you don't go for kuitan simply because you think it's n00bzers, hop into ippan and try it yourself.

>>17881186
Not him but I imagine if every single game turned into a race for the first gomi hand, it would get pretty fucking stale really fast.

There is absolutely nothing more infuriating than losing because you got disconnected from Tenhou

>>17881630
Kuitan has proper strategic uses with its own set of drawbacks and weaknesses. If everyone you play with only ever goes for quick trash hands then they're all just simply bad players. Besides that, kuitan ari reduces the luck factor of the game. In kuitan nashi, the fastest player is just whoever's lucky enough to get yakuhai.

>>17881637
The good news. Tenhou is not a tournament. So, you can make up for that loss on sheer quantity alone.

>>17881727
>they're all just simply bad players
That's what I was implying yes. That's the great thing about tenhou, finding the same person twice is next to impossible I think especially in ippan. So even if they only know fast cheap quick hands, you onky have to deal with that from one player for one game. If it was from all three players, every game, I'd get sick of it. And fast.

>direct hit baiman on a damatenning ultra-defensive faggot
first time I ever humped my phone in public

>>17881863
>If it was from all three players, every game, I'd get sick of it.
All this talk of kuitan makes me want to bully some 7447s. Just one game of everyone gunning kuitan for old time's sake.

Anyone up? 2:0

>>17881186
It is childish, but at this point it feels everyone became so reliant on kuitan that it's ruining our games, in my opinion; the point is also in his posts >>17881630 >>17881863. It's always the same players. 2 of my friends agreed that our sessions don't feel as fun as they used to, one was against, ironically he hated open tanyao gunning the most after me.
Don't get me wrong, I was going for kuitan as well in situations when it was viable, but losing several haneman, baiman hands to 1 han 30 fu ron calls on me with just shitty open tanyao and yolo playstyle makes you feel really salty.

>>17882258
Two things worth mentioning here - one, blocking big hands is one of the best reasons to go for a quick cheap hand; and two, you must also be pretty bad if they're making cheap hands every round and you still can't win.

>>17882315
That's what I thought too but I wanna give him the benefit of doubt and try it out, 3 kuitans does sound like quite a lot to handle.
2:0, I'm kuitan1.
Let's try it out.

>3:0

>>17882315
I don't have any delusions I'm a good player, I definitely have to improve my play style, but don't tell me you'd go yolo everytime a player goes riichi early game. Partly, it's also due to a very bad luck spree where I was waiting for my winning tile forever, or just started 4-shanten and stayed that for a couple of turns then one of the two I picked to discard was a winning tile for someone.

>>17882338
Then instead of complaining about the rules you should actively try improving so you're better able to deal with bad players and their bad decisions.
>don't tell me you'd go yolo everytime a player goes riichi early game
Early game riichis are actually the best riichis to go YOLO against.

There's a lot of yakuhai so it's not exactly kuitan but it's certainly ippan level play. Shimocha didn't deal into any hands the whole game so if you wanna learn from anyone, learn from him.

Being my kamicha must have been stressful.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017111122gm-0009-7447-083f26a3&tw=1

This one was a hard one to discard and I honestly still have no idea what'd be a good choice.

>>17882507
>Fourth east round 2nd game
>Keeps a 9man for chii toitsu while two are already in the ponds
>Still draws the 4th

>>17882717
I'd get greedy and avoid dealing the 5p. I'd deal the 3p instead, ignoring the tenpai and wait for a pon on either the 5 or 6p to deal the 4p and hit the same 4s closed wait. Otherwise, after dealing the 3p you can also hit tenpai by pairing up the 35s or drawing a 47p.

Basically avoid deaing the dora.

>>17882717
I'd go for it, cut the 5p. And probably get ronned immediately knowing my luck.

>>17883050
>>17883116
Also didn't want to deal the dora, so ended up dealing the 3p in a frenzy. Fortunately it worked out

>>17882717
Cutting 5p does not change the hand's value as 1han is lost but gained right away with an assured sanshoku set up. That's a mangan, you're looking at here.

>>17883314
You got 4s immediately after dropping the 3p? That sounds like a miss in my book then, coukd have won that hand instantly if 5p passed.

>>17883409
Yeah, it's as >>17883357 said. Dropping one of the 5p would probably have been the smartest decision. I also just said that it worked out

>>17883357
It's a sanshoku on a bad tanyao wait and you have to throw a dora to reach there. Right now, the goal is to close the 2000 gap in 3 hands, aiming for mangan is an unnecessary risk.
The 2chance 3p is safer.

>>17883050
>I'd get greedy and avoid dealing the 5p.
as >>17883357 pointed out, greed has nothing to do with it

>wait for a pon on either the 5 or 6p
good luck with that

>hit the same 4s closed wait
same wait for the same value but with lowered defensive options

>>17885326
Yeah, if you ignore the fact that you're dealing the dora vs dealing a non-dora. There's a defensive measure involved in keeping the 5p.

Damn

Most lucky FULL game I ever had.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017111214gm-0001-0000-d2bab29a&tw=2

>>17886499
Damn son

2:0

>>17886499
Dayum dat rinshan.
Whaddya mean by >FULL game? It's full as opposed to?

Oh god why are mahjong sets so difficult to find.
I'm looking for one in Barcelona and the only ones I can find online are small and/or expensive. I'm going to try searching some local stores tomorrow, any of you have any experience with it?
I'm thinking of trying second hand shops or chinatown.

>>17888343
I'm from Spain as well (Valencia). It's almost impossible to find Mahjong sets on physical stores. Asking Chinese people doesn't help either: they surely have them (I know from experience) but they won't trust you. They'll think you are an undercover policeman.

For Riichi sets you better buy the AMOS Monster set on Amazon.co.jp or the slightly cheaper but worse sets you'll find on Amazon.co.uk.

>>17888360
Fuck, that does make sense. They did dismantle some illegal gambling parlor around here.
We already gave up on finding a Riichi set and were planning on getting a normal one, but maybe importing really is the best option.

>>17882762
>you'll never be a mahjong player as cool as hisa
why live

>>17887279
no. full as in start to end. all hands.

>Tenhou show's someone's name in red as if he disconnected
>Take it easy assuming it's just one less risk to look out for
>Guy who disconnected calls riichi
I swear this has been happening more frequently the last couple of weeks. People just randomly marked as disconnected.

>>17888965
They made it so an AI autoplay for you now instead of having disconnected players instant tsumokiri.

>>17886391
Sucks to be you

>>17886499
>2 rinshans in a game

Saki plz.

Also, imagine what your score would have been if this were hanchan?

This happened...I was so focused on the honor tiles that I didn't notice the 2 pin draw. If I kept it and idscarded the 4 or 1 pin I would've won that beautiful hand...
FUCK
ME

>>17891352
You were too focused on trying to get daisangen and ended up empty handed.

>why.jpg

>>17892134
>closed daisangen
Niiiice.

>>17892139
Isn’t it also a Suu An Kou?

>>17892134
>kuitan dora2? That's cute.
>Watch this.

>>17892186
Yes, that's why it's double yakuman.

>>17849487
Are there Go or Shoji generals similar to this one around here?

>>17893673
dunno, but you're more than welcome to start one.

how much suffering are those games compared to Mahjong? I'm in such a bad spot I'm in the process of moving to a new game: drinking

>>17893749
Are you only playing mahjong online? Playing irl makes it less painful.

>>17893769
I love irl playing. but I can only manage once a month

>>17849487
does anyone else drink while playing

sometimes i play while drinking

>>17896189
One shot per tsumo from others, 2 if I get ron'd. If I stay sober, continue to new game.

>>17896189
I have two threads on alert; the mahjong general here, and the whiskey general in /ck/.

that should tell you everything you need to know.

>>17896241
>whiskey general
I-I didn't know that was a thing. Time to have a new permanent tab now.

>Riichi
>deal into oikake's ippatsu takame
Is there a worse feeling?

>>17896821
Yakitori for 2 games or more in a row

No Sanankou riichi ura3, but still a sexy w8

>strolling around in ippan as NoName
>3dan R1900+ appeared
>proceeded to bully him the fuck out with 2 direct ron
>he RQ'd at S3, ended up tobi after another ron
Thanks for making my day, no matter how bad it will be, there's someone who has it worse.

>>17897030
>those dan players in ippan breaking up their hands for fast 2han wins
>they always double down and bankrupt instead of trying to recover

I hate this game

What's your rate anons?

>>17899197
NoNames can't collect Rate.

>>17899197
3rd rate

>>17899197
Slowly inching forward. I bet I'll get a 4th place next. It's the 5th time these two weeks that I get one win away from ranking up only to fuck it up.
Also, shit, I'm over 2500 games.

>>17899197
passionately 3rd rate

>>17899197
Despair/10

>dora pon with red 5 as east
>people just keep playing as if hanemans don't exist
Ippan is a magical place.

>>17899197
Here's a chart.

>>17896241
As long as you don't fall into the al/ck/ bottomless pit...

Is it ok to be angry at the bitch?

>>17901965
ya ain't even in tenpai biatch

>>17902000
Yeah, that's why I'm asking.

>>17899468
Well of course I went ahead and got last place.
But then the next game I got this little gem.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017111601gm-0029-0000-7c7f73b6&tw=3&ts=10

>>17902027
there's a good chance you'd never finish your hand even without player (or two) being faster than you.

>>17902087
I just checked and if I had gotten a kan on that 2s it would have been a dora 13. What a shame.

>>17902118
do yourself a favor and never check the wall after a game. You'll only deepend your sadness for what could have been...

>>17901965
Sure it was retarded to make three calls for ton nomi, but your hand was only big because of their retarded shouminkan. But without even seeing the game your 8m call was probably a mistake.

>been on a freefall, just lost rank
>fought tooth and nail to get there, lost sleep and got shitty with the family
>all for nothing
I'm too shit at this game to ever get out of joukyuu. I'm out. I'm going to enjoy playing in ippan in an unrated account. so it stops being nothing but an aggravation

>>17903347
Get drunk and go yakuman hunting.

>>17903347
Don't get stressed out over a game, dude. You play games to have fun, so if you don't have fun, what's the point?
I only play mahjong single player anymore. I don't lose anything if I have a bad day, I can think as long as I want about my moves, and my opponents are all cute anime girls. Shit's tight.

>>17901965
Rushing your hand to completion is a valid defensive tactic.

I wasn't winning anything (I didn't deal into hands either) and was at 8800 points, then I won one hand. Next round I had a garbage hand, I thought about maybe going for 7 pairs but then I got some triplets so I kept going until some gong happened.
What the fuck did I do?

>>17908717
Suu ankou (Four concealed triplets)
your first yakuman?

>>17908759
Yeah.
Do you think the guy to the right is pissed? He was leading the entire game

>>17908766
very likely, but it's not like he tried to defend his position at all, throwing away 3,4 man like that when 2nd in place has no manzu tiles in his discards.

>>17908766
very likely

>>17908717
>riichi
You did good.

>>17908717
Ah, that's a menzen toitoi dora1. 50fu4han makes it a mangan.

feels good man

>>17909182
>giving up the lead for a honitsu

Shimocha deserved to lose that one

>>17909173
With the riichi, that's haneman by ron at least.

What do you think of red dora tiles?

>>17909746
they tend to work in my favor more than otherwise.

that said I'm going through my worst losing streak so it doesn't really matter

>>17909789
What's a losing streak? Not 1st or consecutive 4ths?

>>17909881
constant 4ths

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017111807gm-0029-0000-893ece7f&tw=0&ts=6

Forgot Honroutou was a thing, thought I only had a haneman. Ended up being probably my fastest baiman yet.

Always remember to purge the bird.

>>17910032
Then I can't imagine how bad a losing streak can be then. The most I've ever had is 4 4ths which I though was quite manageable, didn't derank.
How bad could it possibly be?

Are there any clients that allow multiple connections from the same IP? Me and my roommate have been trying to play together and Tenhou doesn't allow multiple players from the same IP except in private rooms, but 7447 never seems to have people and we don't have enough friends to make a game ourselves.

>>17913064
Even if you and your friend could both queue up together, there's no guarantee you would be able to join a ranked match together. Tenhou and pretty much any other competitive site would surely be worried about 2 players teaming up so I doubt you'd find one that allows parties.
There's this thread as well as a mahjong discord. When you see people talking and posting, just announce 2:0 and you've got a game.

>>17912543
Nice pon. That goes to the side of the table though, not your pond.

I have the kawaiiest hand

>>17913140
Too bad, you needed ippatsu and a couple dora

Is there an equivalent of Deep Blue for Mahjong?

>>17913469
Skynet

>>17913469
I don't know how deep blue works but bakuuchi hangs out in tokujou.

I'm pretty sure "Anata wa Oya desu" means "You're gonna deal into a bullshit edge wait riichi and pay double for it".

>>17914102
>not collapsing with the force of an imploding star whenever a dealer Tsumogiri's for the first time
Never gonna make it.

>>17914102
more like you fold as hard as possible and then your shimocha gets his sanbaiman tsumo and kicks you from first to last anyway

>>17914180
>folding while dealer
Not a man.

>>17914180
If a sanbaiman oya kaburi pulls you down to fourth, it means a haneman tsumo can get you back into first!
Top wo mezasu! Faito!

>>17892134
>losing 32000 on a fucking tsumo
That's beautifully brutal

I'm back, baby. Let's see how long I last this time.

>>17916216
What's it like in Tokujou?

What are the odds of a particular wall setup? I was wondering what are the odds a hand is played exactly like in manga and anime.
[136!] / [(4!)^34] ?

>>17917674
I'd say much more stable than in Joukyuu. People are more likely to fold even against damaten so you can't really expect your crazy hands to pay off unless you get lucky with tsumo. Cheap suji traps also become way less efficient, and so far I've found that moderate 3-4han dama hands seem to be the most effective to build a steady lead.
You also can't expect your open hands to be fed easily. More often than not, if you give them a scent that you have something moderately big they'll just starve you out without giving you a single tile to call.

>>17917906
>you can't expect your open hands to be fed easily
How about if you're 1000 points from 2nd/3rd in oorasu and let your 1st place kamicha peak at your kuitan?
I do successfully feed into hands like that when I want to secure my place in joukyuu oorasu; do people do that in tokujou or do they still keep you mum?

>>17917956
Well, it might work or it might not. In those types of scenarios of orasu it's almost a given everyone's going to go for the cheapest hand possible to settle for a second place or avoid last. Just like you're thinking "kamicha, wrap this up and get me out of this mess", he'll be thinking "I'm gonna let these fuckers fight over their 1han hand and stay out of this, not gonna open and reduce my safe tiles".

I generally try not to depend on others winning the hands I want them to win, since it hasn't been working very well for me lately. But hey, it might work sometimes.

>>17914102
>not spamming 1-3han worth hands then intentionally fall into quality loss of yakuhai/kuitan nomi

>>17917956
Don't try and sashikomi. Just don't. Not in joukyuu, not in tokujou, and only rarely in houou.

>>17918899
I sashikomi'd into a haneman last night. ironically I had such a hefty lead that I was still first, so you could say it was a success, but fuck if I'm ever doing that again.

Anyone want to 7447? I need to waste some hours.

Fuck these decisions mans. Two turns in a row I had to get through somehow. This is nothing more than a coinflip isn't it?

>>17919591
I'd push it. 4-han hand as dealer while being last during south round? You only have so much time, that's when you take desperate measure.

>>17919591
I hear you, actually analyzing the pond tends to backfire on me more often than not.

take your 2pin for example, on paper it's the safest since we can look at kabe and see that all of the 1pin are out making the 123 menstu impossible. you also have 3 of them meaning that a shanpon wait isn't possible either. this only leaves a one-chance tanki or a 34pin ryanmen wait on the 25suji. kandora tend to be a tad safer than normal dora since they are revealed later in the game and other players may be unable/unwilling to accomodate them into their hand given their current trajectory.

that said, with all this ligic and probability behind you, you're still gonna deal into the asshole that made the same math and figured someone would toss it on that merit.

>>17919631
>>17919620
I can't even think that deep yet. Ended up discarding the 6man, which resulted in a ron by kamicha. But toimen had the other 3 man tiles anyway, so he'd probably kan it, resultiing in a tsumo by shimocha. I switched device, so I can't make a screencap.

>>17919806
Most players would ditch shanpon to go for ryanmen here.

>>17920487
Can I argue if 6man discard would attract attention and making it virtually impossible for other players to discard manzu tiles adjacent to that?
Of course that 5m is akadora so if it hits that's 1-han extra punishment, but still.

>>17920872
shamefur dispray

>>17920872
Post that replay man.

>>17919591
I'd drop that dora, 5p seems more likely to come out looking at that riichi pond.

>>17921187
Didn't notice 2p was dora, I meant the red five.

>>17920936
>>17920942
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017112003gm-0061-0000-6ef57d3c&tw=3&ts=4

Yea, he shamed his family hard. Looking at it, I don't know they the fuck he'd drop that.

>>17919555
ouch
How did that happen? Careless on honitsu discards?

>>17922557
no, nothing so specific. I was in the lead at around 48k and throwing dangerous tiles out with the intent to deal into 4th who had riichi'd but was at a measely 8k. The idea was to defend agaisnt east to end the game, and the kimocha who had somewhat of a shot of overtaking me if he got a mangan direct hit.


I figured he couldn't have anything more than a mangan anyway. I ate my words on that one, but I still got first in spite of how much of a punch I took that round.

>>17922713
Ugh. Trying to sashikomi when there's a riichi and 3dora invisible doesn't sound right to me, maybe if shimocha was third going for kuitan but not on a riichi and a dealer fanpai.
I would have one chanced the 3m.

>>17922801
like I said, not the smartest move in hindsight, but I was also emboldened by the manygood fortunes that game brought

Every time I have a losing streak and consider quitting I win just one game and hang on by a thread

NEVER FOLD YOUR HANDS
CALL EVERY PON
SMASH DAT RIICHI BUTTON

>call 4han richii on my sixth tile
>2 opponents pushing
>round ends in draw, 3 tenpai
>they have all my outs in their hands

>next round opponent calls richii early
>no safe or suji tiles
>deal in with 1 man right away
fuck this retarded piece of shit game

*riichi FUCK

>>17923828
>Fold against a riichi by breaking up an honor ankou
>Turns out the guy had a tanki on that tile and if I had just kept my ankou I could have completely blocked him

>2:0

>get three sets at the earliest stages
>can't win
>get three green dragons
>can't win
>get two red dragons two greens and one white
>"oh lol lemme just riichi on the third turn and steal that win"
I'm actually shook.

>>17927302
Sounds like you just got outplayed by someone faster

>>17927742
Sounds like this game is rigged.

>>17928383
Sounds like you just made a baseless claim.

I want the idiots in fourth place to stop dealing into 3rd place and letting them overtake me at the last minute

>>17928868
outskilled

>>17927742
>outplayed
There's only so much I can do while waiting for a tile or two. Or while I literally only have like 3 turns until he Rons.

>>17930546
git gut

>>17930574
>your OC gets reposted
>you're still as depressed as when you made it

>>17931465
Does Mechazawa have kokushi? This is why robots shouldn't be allowed to play mahjong, those damn hackers.

>>17931488
mechazawa was my konbi, i forget which character the shimocha was but that kokushi was his second yakuman

unagi is crazy as fuck

>first place, oorasu
>all I need to do is just hang back and I've got this
>draw a dangerous dora
>ha! like I'd fuck up and toss this while 2nd is clearly gunning for me and in tenpai

>4th tosses it
>haneman ron, get overtaken by someone else's idiocy

fuuuuuuuuuck

Some Touhou mahjong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shfe9oYMoZ0

>2:0

what does the text that shows up when you rank up in Tenhou actually say?

>>17850077
Took a break and played yesterday evening. I was doing fine but once around the last east round or early south round I dealt into hands with haku discards and lost my lead.

>>17937931
More or less
>Dear anon
>You've done well. We hope you git gud even more afterwards.
>t. Tenhou

>toimen is a bitch who calls on my tiles
>throw the fucker down and get second, he can fight for 3rd with kamicha
>win 3-4 han hands, only 1k apart from first
>toimen gets close again
>scrap together tenpai a few turns before the end
>call riichi in the hopes of the others taking apart their hands
>one-shot tsumo, reverse dora is my wind tile pair, finish with mangan

huh

>sceond deals into firsts mangan and drops down to third on the last hand
Later loser

>last round
>+10000pts before 2nd
>game crashes
>can't rejoin
>not even a mention in game history
C U C K E D

>>17938802

>>17938802
I never really bothered with the tenhou settings because I can't read moonrunes.
Is there some documentation about it somewhere?

Looks pretty neat though it needs a bit polish like the white spaces

>>17938802
>>17938881
does that cracked tenhou desktop app still exist or did they fix that?

>>17939014
It still works.
Anyways why wasn't I able to call Ron when the 7Sou was discarded?

I lost 1st place by 100points

>>17939120
You don't have any points in that hand, you need points to win by ron in riichi mahjong

>>17939129
Oh, I thought the South pair woud give me a yaku.

Also, what happened here?

>>17939271
pairs can't give any yaku, and that's nagashi mangan, a special condition for having only discarded 1s, 9s, and honor tiles the entire game and having had none of them called til the round ended with no one winning

>>17939271
nagashi mangan, automatic mangan if you discard all honors and terminals and the round is a draw

Some rules differ but in Tenhou they can't be called either iirc

>>17939280
>>17939277
Sounds like bullshit but whatever, I got 1st place back

Is it normal to feel completely overwhelmed when first learning mahjong? I've read a handful of guides but I still feel like I have no semblance of what I'm doing when it comes to building hands. More like I'm just waiting to get lucky and discarding the least worst tile while everyone else is working towards -something-.

>>17940666
you shouldn't worry about it too much at first. Right now you should focus on making sure you understand the rules and start to develop "your" Mahjong

>>17940666
Yaku list is overwhelming, but the logic of the game is very simple: four 3-tile groups and a pair. You win by either completing the last 3-tile group or last pair using either your draw or one of your opponents's.
Honor tiles are very straightforward, and number tiles can either be sequence or block. So, if you have 4 and 6, 5 will make a group. If you have 5 and 6, either 4 or 7 will make it, etc.
Once you understand that concept, the game is rather simple and you can make decision in a snap. Later on you will also have to learn more complex stuffs like tile efficiency or defense, but the basic is just that.

>>17940666
It's totally normal to feel that way at first
Over time you get used to it though
I'm 2dan and I'm still learning new things that I forgot because they don't come up often in play

So long as you remember a few basic yaku like tanyao it's not too hard to move forwards.

>>17940687
>>17940709
>>17940760
Thanks guys. It feels like there's a ton I can learn right off the bat, but it's becoming apparent that it can be learned gradually after I understand the basics. Did a couple of quick matches, and I can totally see what makes this game so enjoyable. Getting that stroke of luck is pure ecstasy.

>>17940869
Don't know about the others but what I like is the building rather than the winning of the hand. There's no guarantee of a hand getting that stroke of luck to win but how well I build my hand is within my power.

You'll eventually reach this but just something for you to think about.
If you have 34, a 2 or 5 would be able to complete the set while 24 can only be completed by a 3, this means having a double-sided 34 in you hand is better than a closed 24.
So how about 12 and 24? Which is better? Both only accept a 3 so isn't it the same? The answer is 24 because drawing a single 5 makes it 245, discarding the 2 makes it now a double-sided wait! On the other hand the 12 wait needs you to draw a 4 to make it 24, then a 5 to get the double-sided 45 wait.

It's this stuff that really gets me going. It's so mathematical and logical that I absolutely love it.

>2:0

>start game with a toitoi with two yakuhai
>Shimocha and kimocha go on a han stroking contest with onehot tsumos and ura doras up the ass

>>17943915
I know that feel

>start round iishanten for tanyao
>holy shit, three dora and two aka
>I GOT THIS
and of course the hand dies and some other asshole gets a shit hand and cockblocks my haneman

>>17944018
Well, at least they cockblocked me with hanemans and baimans.
Though seeing all those hans showing up feels only good when it's your winning hand or when the one behind you dealt in

>3:0

>>17944018
>Starting hand is in iishanten
>Never hit tenpai

>>17945076
I bet the government did this.

>>17945482
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017112510gm-0029-0000-cd926eb5&tw=0
They're rigging the system.

>>17940666
Well, enjoy your sweet innocence.

Would you eat this?

>>17945629
had me at pan

What could have been my first yakuman (IRL or online) was robbed by a fucking 1k yakuhai hand. He called ron as soon as I declared riichi.

>>17945629
I would eat anything you want me to, baby.

>>17946035
>as soon as I declared riichi.
Good man.

>>17946035
You didn't ride the flow, if you had, you would've probably threw away that Haku much earlier and changed the game.

>>17946035
>hiding your username
shamefur disupray

>>17947757
Yeah, Adrian is a bitch

>1+1+6+0 today

>>17948058
>no 4ths
cause to celebrate imo

>>17948058
3+0+2+4 here
Count your blessings, I got cocky.

My friend declared riichi but he had an incorrect set of 235 if I recall, so we called out a chombo after his declaration of ron/tsumo. However, after we've already distributed his penalty sticks, another friend noticed that he's had a valid hand if we rearranged tiles. After we did that, he had iipeikou on hand and if I recall correctly, it changed to a pair wait win. Now here's my question, was it correct to continue with the chombo, because he declared ron on an invalid set or after the rearrangement and having found all sets were correct and it could've been a pair wait win, were we supposed to return his penalty and the person who fed the tile should've paid the hand value?

>>17948705
It still won on the same tile right? Then its valid to me.

>>17948705
If you call ron and you have a valid hand, you deserve the points imo. Manly pride would probably stop him from trying to argue for the points so it's up to the 3 of you as friends to decide. He's probably cool with the chombo either way so don't worry too much.
I'd like to see this hand, it sounds interesting.

>>17949434
I think so, if I remember everything correctly. Sadly I forgot to take a photo of his hand, it would've explaining the whole situation so much easier.
>>17949603
We weren't sure if rescinding the chombo was possible even though he had a valid hand but declared it on an invalid set so we rolled with the chombo.

http://tenhou.net/5/?log=2017112613gm-0009-0000-b55c1d92&tw=1

in east 4, was there anything I could have done to predict that?

>>17950869
Yes. Yakuhai dora3 means it's time to fucking fold especially since you're first and toimen is 2 calls in.
7s

>>17950880
What made 7s a safe(er) tile? I'm still rather new so all I can do for folding is throw 100% safe tiles that were discarded or stuff like an honor when I can already see 3 out

>>17950892
7s is a suji, go read up about it. I'll give you the quick version while we're here.
You know about furiten, right? If your winning tile is in your discards, you cannot ron anyone else with any of your waits. If you have a 25 wait, a 5 is in your discards and your opponent discards a 2, you cannot ron off of them.
Since toimen threw a 4s, it means that if he had a 14 wait or a 47 wait, he would be in furiten and cannot ron from you. It's not perfect but 7s is less likely to get ronned on.

>>17951146
Yeah after I said that I realized I should have just googled it, so I did and got the Defense page on the riichi wiki. Still a long way to go, but thanks for responding.

sometimes nice things happen

>>17950869
As a general rule of thumb if I decide to discard a penchan I do it with the more middle number first. The main reason for this is are the 9s and 1s are in general safer cuts. Also it makes almost no difference in efficiency most of the time since you are always screwed if you draw the tile that completes the penchan.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017112617gm-0089-0000-4bf3bf66&tw=0

Watch the oorasu and how everyone handles it.
4 ryuukyoku may sound boring on paper but it's amazing how everyone could fold properly.

>>17924339