/jp/ - Otaku Culture

This is the happiest day of my whole year.

I just lost my gramps, these news give me life.

>>17853779
Wait, for real?

I did watched the shitty Outbreak anime for Higurashi, so I'm not sure about the actual quality of Higurashi's Hou, bur I would be very sad if it ended up being like that for Umineko of all things.

>>17853797
Sorry for your loss, anon

>>17853797

My condolences.

>>17853779
I'm all hyped up for more theorising madness! Come, Ryu! Let us see your new gameboards!!

Anyone thinking he will link with WTC5 & Higurashi in this one for Umineko?

Wait, what? What? More Umineko? Glorious.

>>17853817
From what I know, Higurashi Hou is like a batch of all the episodes + extra + added new things. So probably it'll be Umineko 1-8+Tsubasa+Hane+ New content!
At least what I hope.

>>17853837
I hope he will, or else he just gives it a "when they cry" name for attention

>>17853915
It's happening lmao
That confirms this will be like a brand new return into the Umineko inferno

Can't wait to debate the shit out of it daily with all of you again

>Umineko Hou
Can't wait. Still waiting on WTC5 news tho

>>17853966
Check out the link posted above, there's more information about WTC5 and Haworthia

>>17853779
oh shit

a shitty comedic arc incoming

Isn't there a Kinzo manga also in the works?

>>17854166
I'd still like it.

I would love to see expansion on Asumu, Kinzo's wife (mother of Krauss, Eva, Rudolf, Rosa)
Or happy slice of life moments of the young parents. A gohda scene, maybe. Or hideyoshi.

Or maybe expansion on the fantasy characters such as Dlanor etc

>>17854168
>Kinzo manga
For what purpose?

>>17854359
I thought there was one that would go into his past

>>17853779
>similar in structure to Higurashi Hou
Meh

>>17853779
>"This first tweet is quoting Ryukishi saying how he plans to write more for Umineko, contrasting his earlier statement on how he’s "moved on from Hinamizawa".
But Umineko isn't Hinamizawa?

>>17854534
Umineko is kinda everything, in a meta perspective

Iirc Higurashi was but a book inside Rokkenjima Prime, according to the first EPs' Meta Battler.

Once again with the retarded meta space level discussions

>>17854166
>He also mentions how his recent Umineko writing in a “booklet” (First and Last Gift?) was a little bit gag-focused, so he’d like to do something more serious this time.

>>17853779
Hahaha.wav!

>>17854832
oh thank christ

We need more Kyrie story, she was kind of left aside for being the character that plotted and executed intentional kills in Rokkenjima

>>17855231
I mean, she's a clever cold hearted bitch.

That's really all there is to it, she's Eva without any of the redeeming qualities.

The anomaly worth focusing on is Jessica and her relationship with Yasu.

>>17855261
I dont think theres much to tell about Jessica, she probably suspected something but discarded it due to its sheer absurdity, similar to her reaction in that doll scene in ep 7.

>>17855312
Or maybe she did know, which makes it all the more sad.

In any event I don't see that much more to say about Kyrie - she's definitely been shown to be the most callous and opportunistic person on the island.

>>17855352
Eh, I just feel she wouldn't have rushed to murder given she is exactly the type to consider the costs as well as the benefits. She's not the type to shoot in frustration or a panic unlike Rudolf or Eva.
That practically at the end, he has almost nothing to do with her decision to damn the logic she coined which would be screaming to her that Beatrice's cash card is more likely a fake rubs me the wrong way a bit.

>>17853779
I hope it fixes Gohda's , Nanjo's and Kumasawa's motivations because their actions make no sense

Are you ready, lads?

>>17856418
How much of a shitstorm would it cause if the new Umineko material retcons Shkanontrice and makes Rosatrice canon?

>>17856730
That wouldn't happen after Umineko's EP8 pretty much put it all on the table.

Too bad for you Rosatrice

>>17856730
Rosatrice was never a theory in R07 minds and is pretty much fanfiction, so never?

>>17857378
>falling for the Shkanontrice deception this hard

>>17857385
Imagine how retarded you need to be to keep pushing for that after ep 7 and the manga.

>>17857396
EP6 should have completely confirmed Skannon anyway, how can people be so blind even with that final red. It's impossible to solve EP6 without Skannon.

But at this point I'll interpret as a little joke between other goat fellows.

>Rosatrice
Genuinely curious - what do Rosatrice fans think about the focus on Yasu and Lion? Like, do they think it was all just one giant red herring?

>>17857614
Pretty much.

>>17857614
Pretty much.

>>17857628
What are the odds? Both of us saying the exact same fucking thing in an 100% identical way minus the reaction image. Just wanted to clarify I didn't make a double post as far as I can remember. Or at least I hope it wasn't me. Have a great one lad.

>>17853779

I just finished episode 7, about to start 8, what should I expect?

>>17857682
>what should I expect
shit everywhere

>>17857663
It was your doppelganger who got a sample of your blood:^)
>>17857653
Kek, now THAT is fanfiction.

>>17857682
Tears.

>>17857614
Rosatrice are the equivalent of flat earth belivers.

>>17857682
Read the manga.

>>17857730
I wonder how many other fandoms have a section that believes that the author is conspiring to give them a fake version of the story.

>>17857804
It happens all the times when an author doesn't deliver for some, like ME3 for example, or FF8 Squall is dead.

>>17853966
FOOD IN THE BOMBS

>>17857804
There are probably some Star Wars fans who felt that way about George Lucas.

>>17857838
Well he did try to peddle a fake version of the story, he literally re-shot a New Hope because he wanted Greed to shoot first

>>17857804
I wouldn’t put it past R07 to do something like that - but Rosatrice has too much fluff for me to take seriously

I hope the new episode explicitly confirms Shkanontrice. I want to see what excuse the Rosatrice fans will use next when they can't say "It's just a red herring!" or "The manga doesn't count!" anymore

>>17858305
That only the original 8 episodes count or something.

How about Kinzotrice?
Krausstrice is also an option.

>>17859004
>Kinzotrice
I wouldn't put it past him to dress up as Beato at least once
>Krausstrice
Nah, he has better vision than that

WTC5 never ever

>>17859055
We've gotten more news in the last week or two than we have over the last half year.
Quit complaining.

>>17859130
Plus, more Seakats.

For those of you who have read Umineko in the original Japanese, is Ryukishi’s prose really THAT bad?

>>17859625
Other people have said before that the prose is decent, not bad not amazing.

>>17858305
>I hope the new episode explicitly confirms Shkanontrice.
At this point not "beliving" in Shkanontrice is the equivalent of not "beliving" earth is flat

>>17856820
What the fuck happened to Yasu's ear here?Isn't it supposed to be much lower?This always bugs me when I see this page.

>>17859625
afaik, some of his writing from Higurashi is used as copy pasta because his prose is that bad, but I heard this from moogy-sama & kastel-dono, so take it with a grain of salt

>>17859625
A japanese reader from a past thread detailed an answer to that question pretty well.

I don't have time to search for it right now though.

>>17860352
I'm extremely confused by this sentence

>>17860854
When it comes to him, every single word in this topic is unreliable. Moogy is a retard who never even tried to understand Umineko and a self-declared hater of Ryukishi07. He only cares about his shitty "kamige" well drawn porn games.

The only thing he was ever right about was about Romeo being a nice writer and Mareni being one of the better.

He misjudged 07th Expansion stuff quite a bit since forever, I think he has something against potato hands.

>>17860983
Nah, most people here in /jp/ just assumes he is angry because Ryukishi created a way better "Cross+Channel" with Umineko Romeo would ever be able to (aka his favorite VN and author iirc, to the point of him doing one man crusades for him in many instances).

Funny enough, Romeo and Ryu loves each others works and really enjoy doing VNs together.

>>17860983
>hater of R07
While I can see the aversion to the meta stuff, it does strike me as odd to hate R07.

But I hate the term “kamige” in general, so that’s my bias

>>17861194
It's one of those terms "elitist" VN readers use while classifying their "masterpiece untranslated VNs" as superior taste towards any others

Funny enough, everytime said Kamige gets translated, it gets bashed quite a bit by the community and the elitists themselves most of the time -see Grisaia and Dies Irae-

They are just a bunch of hypocrites with superiority complex for knowing how to read moonrunes.

Why did they tanned Battler in the pachiko sprites btw?

>>17861637
He already had a slightly different complexion to the other characters in the original sprites, similar to Rudolph. Although the pachinko sprite of Battler is quite a bit more tan than even Rudolph.

>>17861657
I keep forgetting it's "Rudolf" and not "Rudolph".

>>17861637
Because he was tan in the original sprites?

I didn't really get this part of Umineko so please explain.

Clearly they are connected, but which one exists on a first-order basis, the cat of Ikuko named Bern or Bernkastel the witch of miracles?

>>17862066
That depends on whether you think Ikuko wrote Featherine, or Featherine wrote Ikuko.

>>17861665
What the hell was Kinzo thinking when he decided to name his children? He didn't even have a specific ethnicity in mind when he chose his kids names, he just sort of picked whatever as long as it was from the west.

>>17862248
He just thought the names sounded nice or cool or whatever? As someone from a western non-english speaking country it doesn't seem at all implausible to me.

>>17862248
He never grew out of his westaboo phase.

>>17862248
I think the better question is what Rudolf was thinking when he named Battler. It isn't even a real name

>>17862430
Just revenge for his own weird name.
Except Rudolf has no chill

>>17862283
>dual wielding Winchesters
Good way to miss every shot ya take

>>17862763
The Japanese know nothing about firearms.

>>17862763
Maybe R07 really enjoyed MW2.

>>17862430
This might sound weird, but are you supposed to pronounce Battler as "Battle-r" (As in someone who battles) or like Butler with an A?

>>17862802
ba-to-ra

>>17862802
Fight-Man

>>17862802

>>17862879
>>17862802
Chuuni as fuck.

>>17862066
I had a 16 hours video essay on that relation, but on second thoughts, that anon got it with one sentence: >>17862080

If Featherine is the self insert of Ikuko (who is Yasu btw), then Bern is the self insert of Ikuko's cat.

If Ikuko is the self insert of Featherine, then Ikuko's cat is a cameo of Bern.

>>17862925
>who is Yasu btw
???

>>17862802
sento-kun

>>17859625
The thing about R07's writing is that all the characters talk in this really retarded, overexaggerated like way. For some people that's part of the charm, for others it's pretty annoying. He also has a problem most doujin writers have with the fact that he doesn't know when to stop writing and writes too much for what can be explained in much less time. Both of these aspects are things that I think you can even recognize within the English translation.

>>17863140
>all the characters talk in this really retarded, overexaggerated like way
I especially enjoy it when it's said by the witches. But he does get awfully repetitive at times with some explanations.

>>17863140
>He also has a problem most doujin writers have with the fact that he doesn't know when to stop writing and writes too much for what can be explained in much less time.
I hated this at first, but since it's a recurring problem in 80% of VNs I grew accustomed to it and now I think it's part of the charm of the medium

>>17862802
>>17862879

>>17862484
I can only imagine Kyrie's input on Ange's name
>No dear, for the last time, we're not naming our daughter "Fighter".

http://blog.mangagamer.org/2017/11/06/umineko-when-they-cry-translators-corner/

Comments from Witch Hunt about translating Umineko.

>>17862802
The Japanese don't have an /ʌ/ or /æ/ sound. All they can do when mimicking them from English is search for a sound of theirs that sounds kinda the same, and that's why both ''butler'' and ''battler'' sound the same if you try to ''Japanize'' them.

How will WC5 be affected by the fact that Alchemist went bankrupt?

>>17863533
No PS4 port which means no A list voice actors or updated art.

>>17863468
>The only way to really be a translator of modern Japanese fiction is to be a fan translator.
Nice.

>>17863534
There is no possibility that the greatest economic system would allow us have those things without Alchemist?

>>17863534
It could still get a port by a different developer

>>17863611
True. Let's hope WTC5 is popular enough to spawn both a DEEN producedanime and console port.

>>17863658
Do we really need an anime after Umineko?

>>17862066
The "Real World" is the meta world of the meta world.

Does Chiru ever pick up? I just started EP5 and it's really boring with how the story keeps getting interrupted with meta commentary every 5 seconds. It's kinda ruining it for me.

>>17863845
Yes. Until EP7, and then picks right the fuck up in the teaparty.

But yeah, IIRC EP5 was really heavy on the meta commentary.

>>17863845
It does. Just keep going and prepare yourself. You're in for a ride.

>>17863845
EP5 is pretty much your last chance of figuring the mystery out on your own. Please make sure you don't regret reading Chiru.

>>17863845
No. Episode 5 is one of the best paced episodes in Umineko and if you don't like the meta side of things you won't like Chiru.

>>17863854
>>17863855
Thanks, that gives me the courage to keep going.

>>17863988
Someone I know spoiled it for me already, but it sounds crazy enough that I actually have to see this through until the end. I hope I can still enjoy it anyway.

>>17864002
It's not that I dislike the meta side, it's just annoying that it keeps things from progressing since the characters are just repeating the same stuff over and over, at least so far.

>>17864028
>the characters are just repeating the same stuff over and over,
Alright, it gets better in that regard, I think. How far are you?

>>17864039
After everyone finds the gold. I think it's probably 3-4 hours in but it feels like 10.

>>17863140
That's not a problem exclusively of doujin VNs, very few VNs actually don't go over-the-top at some point of importance in the tale, it is indeed a charm in the medium (and a curse, especially at H-scenes). I can name very few which didn't "quite" went that route, barely (the already mentioned Mareni is one of those who actually write as if it was a legit Novel, and Ryukishi is not too far behind in that regard, besides his over-the-top-ness being rather... Alarming and noticeable lol

As for the repetitiveness, at least in Umineko's case is rather relevant for the storytelling and logical reasoning. Critical thinking as a plot device requires you to revisit earlier topics and talk about the same stuff quite a bit. You will notice Higanbana, RGD and TRT (except Ren'ai) don't quite have at any point this structure besides some of the most climatic scenes for each (the "worst" offender would be Higurashi at best, and even then, it was so well composed you can barely pay attention to it (Higurashi was all about paranoia after all, so it mixed well too).

>>17864949
Precisely this. Most of the VNs are written like most of the LNs, at that.

>>17859625
I think someone already answered to this question pretty insightfully here:
>>/jp/thread/S17725115#p17752384

I'm getting curious about this Mareni guy.
People talk really high about his writing skills, besides not talking about his actual stories and their qualities.

https://forum.rokkenjima.org/t/haworthia-collaborative-translation-project/1972/7
Wow

>>17855704
>Gohda's
He wasn't part of anything.

>>17865223
except the cut storyline where he was fucking Natsuhi

>>17865223
I actually meant Gengi

>>17862964
>Has a witch alter-ego.
>Like to troll Battler.
>Avid reader of mystery stories.
>Very rich.
>Shady as fuck backstory.
>Come right at the best of time to save amnesiac Battler.
>Her name literally mean 'Raised Child'.
>She wrote ep 3 and ep 4 before Battler could remember jack shit about Rokkenjima, stories that are said to be stylistically very close to what Yasu wrote.
>In the manga, she found the bottle containing the confession of the Golden Witch using `````````````````````Magic'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

Either she's a legitimate witch using her powers to fuck around, or she is Yasu under yet another identity.

>>17865504
>or she is Yasu under yet another identity.
That being Rosatriceteru-deru

>>17865504
>>She wrote ep 3 and ep 4 before Battler could remember jack shit about Rokkenjima, stories that are said to be stylistically very close to what Yasu wrote.
I thought that Tohya wrote up all the drafts?

>>17865504
>she somehow fucking survived all the stupid shit that went down in rokkenjima and actually didn't end herself and instead went full featherine
well fuck, that puts a perspective on things and makes me question some shit.

>>17853779

>>17853779
>he’s "moved on from Hinamizawa"
About damn time.

>>17865631
Wait, are you one of those Featherine = Yasu people?

Cuz that makes no sense considering Magic Epilogue

>>17865866
what doesn't make sense?

>>17866290
Ikuko was already an author before the whole story happened (see EP6).

Lambda gave powers to Takano and Yasu, that would imply Lambda created Featherine herself, contradicting her statements about her being an ancient witch she don't even know since when, in EP8.

There are other factors as well, but in short, Yasu cannot be Ikuko.

Ikuko only knew some info because Eva's Diary allowed her to do so too.

And the manga heavily proves further they are not the same, given explicit background as to how Eva met up with them after being accused of being the culprit by the EP3 forgery.

>>17855704
What part doesn't make sense? People not reporting crimes is actually pretty coomon, especially for servant of rich assholes.

>Excuse me police, my employee of many years is raping his daughter in his hidden mansion he built on his island

>>17865504
>Either she's a legitimate witch using her powers to fuck aroun
Woah, it's almost like the novel openly admit this over and over

>or she is Yasu under yet another identity.
Except this doesn't make sense.

>>17866347
Not to mention Yasu drowned, it would implied she swam to river, bought a mansion, almost ran not-battler with a car and then lived with him for years despite the fact she was scared of the outside world and the novel ends with Battler and Beatrice being reunited in the Golden Land.

Why does Umineko attract so many retards?The story isn't even that hard, but for some reason people always feel like creating conspiracies theories.

>>17866411
I think he means their motivation to help Sayo.

>>17866457
It's explained in the manga, nanji and kumasawa thought they were playing a murder game until it was too late.

>>17866434
Because Shkannontrice is just as much of a deception as Rosatrice. Well, maybe slightly less than that.

>>17866434
Because some readers can't accept the truth and decided to ignore the author and make their own answers, it's pretty idiotic I know.

>>17866513
Shkannontrice makes a lot of sense though

>>17866513
>Because Shkannontrice is just as much of a deception as Rosatrice.
What? Shkanontrice is pretty in your face after ep 6.
Rosatrice isn't even a thing.

>>17866546
It is, but I think it's a bit too cartoonish for some people. The problem here was that they forgot what they were reading basically a silly anime, and so they were expecting a more serious answer that what they got which upset some.

http://witchhunters.livejournal.com/5724.html
This was written by Ryukishi.
>Stepping back, assume that the detective (the reader) has come up with a very plausible solution, and the murderer has confessed to the crime. As long as the undiscovered evidence X still exists, one cannot disprove the possibility that "the accomplice admits to the crime in order to protect the true murderer".
The ride will never end.

>>17866600
>2009
The ride ended a long time ago for you.

Since Alchemist is bankrupt, what has happened to the copyrights of the things they've done for Higurashi and Umineko? Like sprites and voiceacting?

Will we only see these things through unofficial modding for the next hundred years or so?

>>17868026
I was hoping MG would've wrangled those assets from legal limbo but since they're not in the new Stream release I guess not.

>>17868026
Alchemist went bankrupt before Sui was a thing and all their games were ported to PS3/Vita by kaga creates who then also went bankrupt

>>17868366
Man this is sad. It's not like those guys did a bad job either.
Why can't DEEN go bankrupt instead?

>>17868366
That actually gives me hope for future WTC content.

>>17868366
>whoever releases 07th content on anything other than PC goes bankrupt
which witch is doing this

>>17866418
>Woah, it's almost like the novel openly admit this over and over
Anon still believes in witches in 2017. Woah. So this is the power of 80 IQ. I'd bet you also believe in the Rosatrice theory.

>Except this doesn't make sense.
Occam's Razor, anon.

Either Tohya met another rich heiress with a suspicious obsession toward him, all the answers of Rokkenjima, a love of detective novels and a writing style identical to Yasu's.

Or Ikuko is Yasu.

It makes a tremendous amount of sense, specially when you think of the metaphor for Beatrice 'dying' on that boat. It's Yasu shedding her own identity after all the sadness of what happened on the island, the same way Battler shed his identity by accidentally becoming amnesiac. Of course, no one really died. Do you still take metaphoric ````magical'''' scenes at face value on 2017? Kek.

>>17869377
So this is the kind of retard who composes the Umineko audience.

>>17869574
>people are retarded if they don't believe a witch did it hurr
anon plz calm down.

>>17869581
But no one in his sane mind believes that a witch did it. Your reasoning is still retarded though

>>17869587
not even the other anon, i thought you were the idiot saying a witch did it.

>>17853779
why is R07 the best?

>>17869688
Because you have shit taste

So, erhm, so like, hmmm, where are the exciting news? I can't find them.

>>17869377
>Anon still believes in witches in 2017.

Believing in meta doesn't equate believing in witches, dumbass. Featherine stuff is outside of the magic of Rokkenjima. You seem to have missed pretty basic stuff about Umineko and how the meta words. It's not magic, it's a mirror to reality.

> I'd bet you also believe in the Rosatrice theory.
Wrong. Also Ikuko=Tohya is Rosatrice tier. It's just another conspiracy created by people like you who need to look for something deeper.

>Occam's Razor, anon.
Occam's Razor says that Ikuko is just a rich heiress with no stake in the story itself as she says over and over in the VN and the manga especially.

>Either Tohya met another rich heiress with a suspicious obsession toward him, all the answers of Rokkenjima, a love of detective novels and a writing style identical to Yasu's.
It's almost like it's a stand in for the author of the story. Also her writing style is not even similar, ep 3 is written with Eva as the culprit in mind, rather than herself.

>It makes a tremendous amount of sense
It actually doesn't. Not even once in the novel or manga anyone tries to make the Yasu=ikuko connection.

>It's Yasu shedding her own identity after all the sadness of what happened on the island,

Yasu was a woman who was depressed herself, she chose to commit a murder-suicide on the % chance a miracle would have happened and Battler would have solved her heart. She was a person that locked all her futures out because she was afraid to live outside of the island because of her body. She jumped off a boat with an ingot tied to her angle to kill herself, you are suggesting she removed it, swam to river, bought a car and a mansion and all then find the exact specific spot Tohya was in.

The fact you think Yasu could have constructed another identity out of nowhere makes me thing you have a very poor understanding of her character.

>the same way Battler shed his identity by accidentally becoming amnesiac.

Battler didn't shed his own identity, he got brain damage and become another person. Tohya is not Battler, even Ange mentions they shouldn't meet again because he's not.

> Do you still take metaphoric ````magical'''' scenes at face value on 2017? Kek.
You can't believe what you what, Tohya is Tohya, Ikuko is Ikuko, at the end of Umineko Tohya is free of the memories of Battler and he's free to spend his life with Ikuko. You can believe the golden land is real or it isn't, it doesn't matter.

But what are you arguing anyway? The manga denied your stupid ass theory, just like it did with rosatrice. When will your umineko conspirators give up?

>>17869846
>Yasu was a woman
stopped reading right there

>>17869846
>Yasu was a woman
kek
But except from that mistake your argument is pretty solid.

>>17869861
>>17869915
Oh come on, you know what I meant.

>>17869861
>>17869915
Yasu is a cute girl you stupid bullies

>>17870323
>>17870323
A boy in a dress is still just a boy in a dress, anon.

>>17870337
Well, this boy in a dress was raised as a girl and before he knew it he firmly believed he was one.

>>17870365
Doesn't change what he is/was physically. A boy is born as a boy and a girl is born as a girl.

>>17870323
>>17870337
Does it really matter? Why?

>>17870381
What about a metaphysical personification of one of said boy's female personalities with a female body?

>>17870396
It really doesn't, and this doesn't change my way to see the character or make me like him less, but it's funny how some peole gets mad about this topic. I have nothing against homosexuals myself, I love BL or yaoi manga just as much as het parings in shoujo. I would just prefer if they stick with their sex insted of pretending to be someone else.

>>17870420
Meta-beato was created by Yasu as a way to escape from his reality, even if both are two separate beings living in a different dimension away from each other they share the same beginning, after that point it's your decision to accept what they are.

>>17870460
Even regular Yasu is cute.

>>17870474
Well yeah. His androgynous look if what make him able to fool the Ushiromiya family so hard.

>>17870490
Or maybe some of them just don't think their BFF/"Boy"friend is secretly plotting to kill them.

>>17868366
vns werent meant for miscellaneous consoles other than pc.

>>17870500
I don't think George and Jessica really knew about Yasu's secret at all, even unconsciously. I think they are just that dumb.

>>17870519
But you, on the other hand, would've known instantly, right?

>>17870522
Of course! I'm a professional detective genius. Nothing escapes my gaze.

>>17870436
Yasu's situation is such an intentional mess to me that I can accept both male and female pronouns for the character. In my eyes, one doesn't feel more correct to me than the other when it comes to Yasu. Which is why arguing about it always seems silly to me, and it's not like anyone will ever be convinced to change their opinion whenever it's brought up.

>>17870533
It is silly, I admit. I'm not trying to convince anybody about Yasu gender. My post is more like a childish way to say "lol u gay" aka I'm just playing.

>>17870519
George probably realized unconsciously that something was up, but was just to scared to pursue the thought.

>>17870550
Which it makes it even more tragic for them after we realize that George would have accepted Yasu regardless of his sex, without mentioning Eva who would be disgusted by the idea for sure.

Oh boys and fake girls, so can we get some discussion going on about the potentiality of a wtc5 event horizon for once instead of wasting time and (Yous) mah yasu is futa rosatherine traptomboi hey hey?

>>17870570
There's no much to discuss about it for now because we lack of info.

>>17870550
He would've accepted Yasu because of his inexperience with girls

>>17870570
I would love to, but there's hardly even crumbs of information to make it worth discussing as of now. It's not enough to theorize without really stretching your imagination.
The new Umineko "episode" Ryukishi brought up has more for us to work with.

>>17870590
So I haven't paid too much attention about all of this new episode. Is it going to came out as an extra in the VN or a new manga? Is it going to be a comedy or something more serious?

>>17870609
Going to be the Umineko equivalent of Hou but with something serious instead of the fanservice shitfest Outbreak turned into

>RGD stage play cast a fuccboi as Richard and some over the moon woman with a weird mouth as Stella

>>17870617
I'm embarrassed, so all the fuss I did in the other thread a few day ago was for nothing? well, at least this are good news, maybe Ryukishi might add a little more to the main story so the haters can shut up for once.

>>17870631
speaking of Rose Guns were Keith and Stella fucking or did they not quite get that far before Gabriel's keikaku

>>17870550
I doubt the evens suspected she was kanon and also all that mess, more like" uh, I wonder what's up with her, but w/ever"

Yasu story is kinda sad, too bad it's hard to get without reading ep 8 manga.

>>17870420
Meta-beato doesn't even have boobies too.

This discussion is w/ever, I guess it amounts to how you feel about transsexual people. But in the novel itself, Beato is treated as a girl and Battler loves her as a woman.

What vanilla mystery novels would you recommend ?
I never read any of those before. My prior experiences with this genre are the zero escape, danganronpa or phoenix wright games...

>>17870930
Start with the classic, Agatha Christie, Van Dine, Carr and such.

>>17870930
For someone of your level, I recommend mr. snowball and the disappearance of the cookies. It may be a bit difficult to follow, but I have faith in you.

>>17870866
>Meta-beato doesn't even have boobies too.
You just posted a picture proving that she does.

>>17871052
That's ep 3 ending, in which Battler reconstructs her. If she did, why would she be surprised?

>>17870866
>how you feel about transexual people
Fine with em!
>how you feel about transexual people who blow up an island with a giant bomb
Slightly less fine with em!

>>17871058
Then what about the various CGs that show her with cleavage?

>>17870646
most likely but kei going full anti-bro on alan's chinese gf was very unbro like of him.

>>17871099
It's all part of the illusion of the witch in Battler's mind, the meta works like that.

>>17871099
Not even canon with the novel cg, in which beato's tits are covered.

I mean, in the golden land beato has breast because in the Golden Land everything is possible, but canonically she's flat as a boy.

>>17871062
At least she had the decency to admit it was her fault in the manga.

>>17871115
We Dark Souls now

>>17871165
Never played those game, sorry.

>>17871169
Big Titty woman is an illusion

>>17871115

>>17871134
I don't think it makes sense for her to be flat in the meta world, not when she's already using magic to change other parts of her appearance like her hair.

>>17871180
This could be Deen inconsistent mess of an animation though.

>>17871185
Why would she be shocked about her own breasts in ep 3 manga, then?

>>17871201
Indeed. They even screwed up a scene at the end of Episode 1, making Natsuhi's gun fire bullets when it should have had blanks.

>>17871210
Because moments earlier she had lost her form as a witch and had been reduced to her true self. I think her reaction to her breasts was more because she was surprised that they were back all of a sudden.

>>17871336
Fuck, these scenes make all much more sadder for me to look at...

Beatrice could just accept it as a fake good ending without any truth and went out of her way to make it seem like a deception and continue the battle of wits.

No wonders she gave up in EP4 and died in EP5.

>>17871348
Finding out that Episode 3 wasn't all just an act was heartbreaking.

>>17871364
I was so dumbstruck by Episode 3's ending at the time that I was in denial about the Tea Party scene for it and thinking it was just another trick.

I know it's kinda the point and it was pretty much unavoidable, but I kinda wish we could get a (non exclusively esoteric) happy ending for Umineko.

I finished it a year ago, and I still feel absolutely destroyed emotionally.

And I'm an Inio Asano fan, I've seen some fucked up shit in manga, even him gave happier endings for his tragic stuff.

Ryukishi kinda made a beautifuly depressing conclusion. That's no happy ending at all besides being arguably one of the best conclusions I've seen to any VN.

>>17871412
Wait, you've found a VN ending in the least as satisfying as Umineko's conclusion? Please do tell me about it.

Even Key stuff don't come close to that epilogue imho.

>>17871430
"Welcome home"

>>17871434
too soon, anon
too soon to post this in here still...

>>17871434
The first person to welcome Battler to the afterlife was Ghoda, huh. Hmmmm......

>>17871434
It has been 7 years or so, and yet I still can't reread the Magic Ending without getting heavy in feels...

Shit, I need a drink.

>>17871430
And yeah, I was referring myself to Little Busters! from Key in particular. Though I might re-think a bit before comparing stuff here, I guess. Umineko just had so many more things overarching at that solid conclusion, while LB! had one single theme, executed flawlessly.

>>17871478
Anon please, you don't know what is the feel of reading it 7 years ago compared to reading one year ago and thinking "even after all that time". It's not the same thing, I guarantee you.

It hits you even harder each passed year, you will understand it later.

>>17871462
people are yet to realize Gohdatrice

Maybe Ryu will make them understand when he release the new EP

>>17871502

Gohdatrice explained 8-hour long video theory when?

I would actually watch that twice.

>>17871452
"We'll be together forever."

Does anyone else think that the magic ending is a bit creepy? I feel like Ange just fucking died

>>17871681
What? Why?

>>17871681
Welp that's one unique take on it, if I've ever seen one like it.

I always thought of Ange as the real protagonist and the most developed character from its introduction up to the end (and that's saying something when the whole cast is fantastic, like in this case),

How exactly did you feel like she died? I'm sure we've never seen her so alive to be honest.

>>17871681
"Angie" did die. She was reborn as Yukari Kotobuki.

>>17871750
Actually, that's indeed the canonical truth
She let her old self die after jumping from that building in EP4.

It's even said in RED in the manga iirc.

>>17871765
*Epilogue of EP3
Just to be as precise as possible.
*Discode intensifies*

>>17871769
*ActivePain intensifies
I guess we all make mistakes.

Best part of EP4 must be when Erika trolled everybody.

>>17871777
*EP5
That was a cool scene though

I guess you missed Krauss punching a fucking goat in EP1

>>17871721
I'm of the opinion that Ange jumped off of the skyscraper after finding and reading Eva's diary, and died. Her plot-line in episodes 4 and 8, was just a collection of stories that Ikuko and Tohya wrote, as repentance for being part of the witch hunter movement that ruined her life and drove her to suicide. The only part I think might be true is in episode 6, Ange meeting Ikuko, which is how she knew so much about Ange's personal life and feelings.

>>17871434
>Lion and Will together
Hnng

I wonder how much expectations play a part of people enjoying Umineko.

It seems like people who finish it nowadays are much kinder toward it.

>>17871871
Ange's fate is no different from the many islands fate, it's all fiction/fragment depending on how you view the story.

>>17872145
At first I disliked the ending. I still enjoyed the series a lot but wasn't entirely satisfied with the conclusion. Only once I realized much later on the truth, just how many clues there were the whole time, and the deeper meaning of certain scenes did it start to click and I realized I was reading it with a terrible mindset in my first playthrough. I really liked Erika's character the first time I read it, but the second time I saw a bit of myself from when I first read it and felt a bit of shame and guilt. Plus I was tricked so hard after the end of Episode 3 it made me Anti-Magic in a way that I was so distrustful a lot of scenes involving Beatrice from then on that I might as well have been skipping over them.

I wonder what the WTC5 cast will be like

>>17872276
>>17872145
I fee like if ep 8 was like in the manga, there would have been very fewer disappointed people.

>>17872308
fewer disappointed goats*
FTFY

>>17872308
That's probably true, but that realization taught me a few important lessons and I'm thankful for that. Now I feel like I can appreciate the story more.

>>17872334
I very likely counted as a goat, but even though I also saw the parallel to actual readers in that one scene in Episode 8, I actually found it intriguing and wasn't personally offended by it.

>>17872334
I have no issue with the goat scene, I have issue with ep 8 being a boring read full of magic fights.

And for all his talk about "not revealing the truth", he does it in ep 8 anyway, when Ange opens the diary and when everyone acknowledges Shannon and Kanon share a body.

So is Bernkastel actually bullying Erika with the sesame salt, or does she like it?

>>17872410
Everyone bullies Erika constantly
Even when Battler gave her duct tape he knew the logic error was gonna happen and he and Lambda did the whole thing to bully her (and get Beato back)

>>17872367
The message wasn't "not revealing the truth". It was "not letting the truth control how you live".

>>17871721
>I always thought of Ange as the real protagonist
The way I always felt about Umineko is that Ange and Battler are both kind of the protagonists, with Beatrice as the main central character everything revolves around. Battler and Ange both get a lot of focus dedicated to their own respective viewpoints and their quest for the truth is a main driving point for both of their time periods. Even in Episode 8, where the main focus was Ange, it seemed like the focus was still switching between both her and Battler.

>>17873616
Interestingly enough I wonder if the VN would have worked better with more of EVA Beatrice tormenting Ange, since Eva ends up being one of the most complex and tragic characters in the VN

Definitely more tragic than Yasu, whose legitimate identity struggle is somewhat cheapened by the absurdity of giant bombs and bars of gold. Ya just feel bad for Eva after episode 7, especially when you realize that in retrospect if Eva is suspicious about something she is almost certainly right to be

>>17874104
Eva is also great in the regard that she held that secret to the grave to protect Ange.

>>17874148
>jerkass characters who are actually decent blokes
>decent blokes who are actually complete jerkasses
Is this, dare I say it, the essence of WTC?

>>17874104
>somewhat cheapened by the absurdity of giant bombs

I don't think that bombs you'd be able to swallow without noticing and that could blow open people's stomachs would need to be "giant".

>>17874247
BOMBS

IN

THE

FOOD

Will the absolute madwoman be topped?

>>17875425
Who?

>>17874252
I was waiting for this!

>>17869377
>Anon still believes in witches in 2017

Voyagers are 100% real you baka. Yasu's silly interpretation of it isn't.

>>17875425

I hope she returns in some way.

>>17875525
Danganronpa and Umineko fit together surprisingly well.

Trianthology translation when?

>>17876247
I don't know who made this but it's well done

>>17876283
Two years, maybe more.

>>17876287
Lambda/Kaede looks great

>>17876287
>>17876377
The Yumeno/Maria combination is also great. It fits perfectly

>>17876287
Wow, some of these fit almost too well.

>>17876413
I genuinely think Yumeno may have taken some inspiration from Maria.

https://zenmarket.jp/rakutenproduct.aspx?itemCode=toy-factory:10001000

Is this a legit slot machine? How the fuck would buying this even work? Do you have to pay to play it if you own it?

>>17872137
>Dlanor oosevelt as their adopted daughter
My autism cannot be stopped

>>17877258
It's real. It's where the MangaGamer sprites come from, and it's also the closest we'll get to a Chiru anime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUSt7OTC0U

beato

>>17877507

>>17877598

Too lazy to play the danganronpa games due to an unforgivingly tight work schedule irl but can spare some time to watch a few episodes of the anime series before sleep and work shifts. Isit as bad as Umineko's adaptation by Deen or isit decent enough? Before any1 shills me that I haven't even read umineko, rest assured I did back in my college year with ep4 and 7 being my favorites. Still though in turning back to dr, it looks like a cheap-tier inferior ver of umineko from what i read in the comments here and past archives whenever danganronpa came up within these seacat threads.

>>17869846
>Occam's Razor says that Ikuko is just a rich heiress with no stake in the story itself as she says over and over in the VN and the manga especially.
Occam's Razor is very much against your interpretation, do you realize it? There isn't many absurdly rich heiresses with all the answers of Umineko around, and also with an obsession toward Battler, and a name that means 'Raised Child'. The fact that you're trying to argue that here is is beyond me. Of course not. The evidence speaks for itself.

>It's almost like it's a stand in for the author of the story. Also her writing style is not even similar, ep 3 is written with Eva as the culprit in mind, rather than herself.
You didn't give an answer for the true problem: how the fuck did Ikuko know about the answer of Umineko before Tohya remembered? Magic? ````````Magic''''''''?

>It actually doesn't. Not even once in the novel or manga anyone tries to make the Yasu=ikuko connection.
Of course it does, you stupid goat. Do you believe in witches using ````Magic'''' to get their answers? Ikuko is presented again and again as a ````magical'''' witch using her ````magic'''' to get things like the confession of Yasu 20 years after the fact. How did Ikuko get the confession of Yasu 20 years after she supposedly killed herself in the manga? Magic? Magical bottles containing the magical golden butterfly confessions of the golden witch?

Or maybe, just maybe, Yasu confessed under the guise of Ikuko, pretending to have found the bottle using ````magic''''. That is Occam's Razor at work.

>She jumped off a boat with an ingot tied to her angle to kill herself, you are suggesting she removed it, swam to river, bought a car and a mansion and all then find the exact specific spot Tohya was in.
I am suggesting that she had some money stashed beforehand, and then took Battler under her wing. Look at how Tohya didn't remember a thing before being welcomed into Ikuko's mansion. He only has her word that she found him on a road, unconscious. Geez. Someone crafting a narrative by lying to the objective Detective of the tale. This couldn't happen, right?

You fucking moron.

Yasu has already crafted personalities from nowhere before. She isn't beyond lying. She has a history of sketchy personal identity. She has a history of taking names, and roles. That is something she does.

Could she have done that with Tohya? Yes, of course. It is obvious.

>>17879701
Anime is garbage.
Play the games or don't even bother.

>>17879701
It's a 30 hour game adapted into 13 episodes. Of course it's bad

>>17879702
>>17869846
As to the heart, because the heart is essential, here it is (and it's absolutely obvious, if you're not a goat or genuinely autistic in the level you can't relate with others, by the way).

You are a teenager with serious identity issues and a wish to die. Battler comfort you and tell you that your life has meaning. You both escape from Rokkenjima, and you, as you saw the worst that had happened, swear tearfully that this will never happen again. Beatrice doesn't exist anymore and never will.

And then Battler fall from a boat and lose all this memories.

What do you do? "Hello I'm your ex-girlfriend, you don't remember me, but in fact... I am not your ex-girlfriend because we never..., well, I'm a witch?". "Hello I tried to kill the family you don't remember me but I had a good reason and you said I shouldn't believe it's my fault, before you forgot?".

Or "Hello I'm this gal you don't know that is rich and will support you to find the truth"?

Yasu create new identities to escape problems. She has done this before. She simply created another one using the money she had stashed away. One that is simply called Ikuko.

>>17879701
>it looks like a cheap-tier inferior ver of umineko
Danganronpa and Umineko have pretty much nothing in common aside from the fact that there are murders in the story.
It's like saying that Umineko is a cheap-tier inferior version of And then there were none, it doesn't make sense.
Don't bother with the anime, it's trash.

What is the point of Ikuko=Yasu theory?

Even if we assume it's true, there is no happy ending for Battler and Yasu in the real world because the Battler part disappears at the end of episode 8 and all that is left is the guy not Battler, aka Tohya.

>>17876287
Is Danganronpa worth playing or is just as shit as its fanbase?

>>17879760
>And then Battler fall from a boat and lose all this memories.
And how does this happen? Battler only lost his memories from nearly drowning trying to save Yasu from suicide. You don't just fall off a boat and get amnesia.

Did anyone else feel like Subahibi was kind of similar to Umineko?

>>17879819
No idea, don't feel like playing that shit.

Why does everyone call Sayo 'Yasu'? Doesn't she hate that name? It really makes me feel uncomfortable seeing the fandom use that name so nonchalantly.

>>17879825
There's no real proof in the visual novel of what Sayo's real name is, despite Sayo being the most logical answer. Episode 7 trains people to refer to her as 'Yasu'.

>>17879825
I always thought it was a diminutive of Yasuda.

>>17879829
Well it is, yes

>>17879826
Not in the VN, but her full name is revealed in the manga. It's Yasuda Sayo

>>17879825

Sayo is a fictional character. Not a real human being. She doesn't care how we call her because she doesn't exist. And none of us here are using the name in a negative sense.

>>17879835
Then why the stupid question?

>>17879837
Right, but the Episode 8 manga came out years after the VN ended. Old habits die hard.

>>17879844
The question is not where the name 'Yasu' comes from, but why the fans use it over Sayo.

>>17879851
Because it sounds more nice to me and I prefer it? Sayo sounds too personal and cold, nicknames are always better.

>>17879860
But Yasu is a nickname that Sayo hates.

>>17879839
Surely you would want to refer to the fictional person by their preferred name, given the circumstances? It's not like she is evil and I'd expect the average person to be drawn to call her by the name that she presumably prefers.

But I guess the other anon's explanation of the difference between manga and the VN explains it. I should buy the manga.

>>17879867
>It's not like she is evil
>serial killer
>not evil

I felt more disappointed at Rose Guns Days ending than Umineko because most characters died and Ryukishi didn't explain what happened to the ones who didn't except Wayne,
Rose and Leo

>>17879860
>too personal
less personal I meant.
>>17879866
>not always using embarrassing nicknames that your friends hate to call them
It's like you don't like fun.

>>17879872
Well, at the very least she isn't being portrayed as evil.

>>17879873
rgd still had a happier ending than seacats though. also rip ourbasedman alan. stayed a bro till the bitter end. a chad we needed but didn't deserve. but keith a fag.
in relation to image, i liked how he forgave keith anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZneHheXro1A

>>17879898
forgot to include image

>>17879903
Do you think he survived?

>>17879898
Seacats was more conclusive, RGD felt like it had more story to tell when it stopped and left more questions open compared to Seacats which touched upon almost everything

>>17879898
>i liked how he forgave keith anyway.
He got chinese lolipussy instead so it was a given he would have no hard feelings over his dead gf who was a total bitch to begin with.

>>17879921
In all honesty, what rating would you give to RGD over umi and higu? I've always left RGD aside, mainly because of that political aspect that seems to have, which doesn't really attract my interest, but I'm about to finish reading a VN that kept me entertained during the last two weeks and now I feel like going for something else to read. Is it enjoyable at least? I asked you because you seem to be more neutral about it and I don't want a fan to paint me a paint about it and color it enough to make it presentable, just an honest opinion. I know the beginning is kind of slow but apparently gets better later.

>>17879701
>>17879778
Cancerronpa? More like 5 nights at Freddy's because thats how annoying that stupid kuma bearfag is. Don't play that stupid shit nor bother with the anime. And yes, the fanbase is even shittier than that of Freddy's.

>>17880131
Okay then. RGD is the only option left so I'll go for that instead. I suppose I can always watch the anime if curiosity gets me and drop it if I don't like it.
Thanks.

>>17880144
No Danganronpa is worth playing

>>17880159
Too late now. My intention was to use some of you as a flip coin to choose between those two. I might play Danganronpa after finishing with RGD, maybe. We'll see.

>>17880175
DR is great for the cases, awful for the overarching story.

>>17880188
Even DR3?

>>17880188
Honestly, that's pretty obvious just by looking at some pictures of the games. It's the style what caught my attention, and it looks like some fun comedy that may give me some laughs. I'm not expecting anything serious with this one, just a good time. I'll try it after RGD, also all the fuss about >>17880223 makes me curious. Bye

>>17880223
DR3 the anime or DRV3? V3 is the only one with IMO an actual good story.

>>17880034
I liked it a lot, if you enjoy R07's works in general you'll find it entertaining. I cannot compare it to WtC because it's a different genre.
I know the first 2 seasons received mixed reviews but the last 2 seasons pay-off the build-up. Another positive point is that RGD used some Umineko tracks and the OPs were cool.
Most of the aspects I didn't like are issues I have with R07's style of writing this thread has already pointed out and how it didn't feel like it had proper closure. If it wasn't a small project he made because he was exhausted from Umineko and wanted a change of pace I'd believe he set up a potential sequel set in the current era.
In my opinion try it out and see for yourself if you like it. It has a lot of action, over the top scenes and cast. And Battler gets bullied by a homo psycho.

Would you like to see more gameplay elements in new umineko content like those in ep8?

>>17880365
I really enjoyed the riddles and the only meaningful choice in the game. I think they were all very enjoyable gameplay elements.

>>17880365
>>17880383
Get rid of the cake tho

Hotarubi chapter 17 is out
https://mega.nz/#F!OJU2HYgB!-lbNfZS31EUf2QXDKB8I2A

>>17880897
Oh, cool. Thanks!

>>17880897
I wish I could read this. I wish it so much that I'm thinking of cancelling my life plans just to read it.

>>17880897
I usually only read tanks but I can't find DDLs of 2 and 3, so might as well read chapters.
Thanks, dude.

I am curious as to what more he could even write on umineko. I felt like there was not much more he could add

>be 17 year old beta male
>wasted your entire childhood going to cram school
>fall in love with cute 10 year old loli maid
>she loves your little cousin instead
>your aunt conveniently kicks the bucket
>stupid tween cousin leaves the family
>cuck your cousin
>you finally have a girlfriend
>living the dream
>she accepts the engagement ring
>cute loli maid turns out to be a suicidal eunuch
>you get killed and die a virgin
>cousin ascends to the meta, becomes a badass wizard and marries your girl

>>17881825

>>17881825
Jooji loves them lewd ass lolees!

I just found zts made a remix of Dear You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBbPZSKti1M

>>17883220
I want those.

>>17883262
I have them.

>>17883546
nice collection.

>>17879806
The inabilities of Battler in regard to boats in stormy condition is foreshadowed in the first fucking episode. There is a reason to that. Knox number kiss-my-ass, mysteries should have clues presented in early part of the story. Can't be more early than the first fucking 45 minutes.

The boat scene is of course heavily metaphorical. The fact that Beatrice appears and there's magic everywhere should have hinted that to you. Here's what very obviously happened: Yasu decided to abandon definitively her Beatrice persona, after seeing all the worst that had happened on Rokkenjima. Beatrice such 'dies' under the waves. Battler, roughly at the same time, falls down the boat and lose memories. As such he rejoins Beatrice forever. Yasu certainly felt like it, and she is the one spinning the narrative. It makes sense from her point of view: Beatrice died and Battler rejoined her for all eternity. It's all romantic as shit, and from a certain point of view entirely true.

An undisclosed amount of time later, Yasu is present for Tohya when he wakes up. Instead of trying to explain what happened like an adult, and I admit easily that it would be difficult with the murders and whatnot, she simply spin another narrative, like she is wont to do: she found him while he was lost. She's Tohya, the 'Raised Child', a rich heiress that will take care of him and help him remember for free, because she's just weird like that, please don't ask another question, just accept my money and my mansion.

For the following years she takes care of Tohya and help him remember and help him solve the Rokkenjima accident. She writes other message bottle because of course she is guilty as fuck and come back to it often, and help Tohya for the exact same reason, and also because she loves him. She is ultimately the biggest witch around. She knows everything and tries to give a small amount of the truth in both Ep 3 and Ep 4, and to Tohya/Battler to help him remember.

From a metaphorical point of view, she is quite literally meta-Beatrice, like Tohya is meta-Battler. In the srotires meta-Battler tries to remember the event while meta-Beatrice prod him further, again and again, until he can do it. The only one that could have helped Tohya remember at this point of time is Yasu/Ikuko.

In the manga, at the end, she simply decide to confess completely and absolutely, and write the Confession of the Golden Witch for everyone to read.

>>17884278

And then Yasu decides to live out the rest of her life with a guy who isn't the same person she fell in love with? Give me a break.

Also, Yasu is wearing her Beatrice dress in episode 8 when she's with Battler in the boat. It's not a fantasy, it's the reality.

>>17884278
It's still beyond silly that instead of battler losing his memories from asphyxiation trying to save his drowning lover, you claim that he was simply clumsy, fell of a small boat and lost his memories for no reason at all. That's not a thing that happens. And without that your argument falls apart. There's no way Yasu could have found the will to live, survived her suicide attempt, got to shore in far better condition than battler, build a new life with no difficulties and by sheer coincidence, almost hit battler with her car.

>>17884318
>And then Yasu decides to live out the rest of her life with a guy who isn't the same person she fell in love with? Give me a break.
Do you understand the heart?

What should she have done? Just dump Tohya into the city? Just ignore the man she had been in love with, even if he had amnesia? Of course not.

She simply did what was the easiest course of action: supporting him, helping him, and lying to him, while trying to awaken Battler from him.

From a mystery perspective, meta-Battler represents Tohya seeking the truth about the Rokkenjima accident. But one shouldn't forget that he has constantly meta-Beatrice to help him, guiding him toward the truth, trying the make him remember, always pushing him in the first four episodes. And this is specially true in the two episodes Ikuko wrote.

Who is meta-Beatrice from a mystery perspective? Who could prod him with all the answers of Umineko, tirelessly trying to make him remember? Who?

Who had all the answers? Who had the money? Who wanted desperately Tohya to remember? Who?

>>17884278
What a stupid goat

lastpost hopefully

I wonder if another WTC can create another Internet phenomenon like Umineko was.

>>17881825
>>cousin ascends to the meta, becomes a badass wizard and marries your girl
In the Golden Land Shannon, Kanon and Beato all have separate bodies.

>>17884278
>In the manga, at the end, she simply decide to confess completely and absolutely, and write the Confession of the Golden Witch for everyone to read.

Why are you using the manga when it contradicts you anyway. And confession of the golden witch was written BEFORE the tragedy, moron. Yasu is DEAD.

The manga is R07 final answer. It has not hint about Ikuko=Yasu, but instead confirms and reinforce Tohya and Ikuko's story.

>Do you understand the heart?
Well, you don't for sure. You don't understand the first thing about Yasu. Or common sense, really.

>She simply did what was the easiest course of action: supporting him, helping him, and lying to him, while trying to awaken Battler from him.

Both Ikuko and Tohya don't want Battler to come back.

>Who is meta-Beatrice from a mystery perspective? Who could prod him with all the answers of Umineko, tirelessly trying to make him remember? Who?
Both Yasu and Battler's souls ended up in purgatory, the manga show us that.

>Who had all the answers? Who had the money? Who wanted desperately Tohya to remember? Who?

What a stupid goat. I wonder what it would take for you to stop with conspiracy theories. You are worse than the rosatricefags, at least they admit their shit is non-canon now that the manga shut them up.

>>17884770
I'll just post more manga scans, maybe then you Ikuko=Yasu autists would shut up.

>>17884776
Yasu is dead you fucking idiot. It's the whole point of her character. She's an Ange who gave up at live and died. She's deeeead.

>>17884782
Deeeeaaaad. She fucking drowned herself with a damn gold ingot.

>>17884789
Until she woke up in purgatory with half of Battler's soul.

>>17884794
And then fucking Battler rejoins Beato and his other self in the Golden Land. Was it fucking hard? No! But you have problems getting something so simple, all while you claim you actually understand the "heart". You don't understand shit about Yasu.

And this is
>Thus, all of the episode of Sayo that appeared in the EP8 manga is the official answer to the world of Umineko. By no means is the manga version a individual interpretation. It is an official answer from me, Ryukishi07.

But the real question is why the fuck do you feel like you need to come up with bizarre conspiracies theories every damn time.


>Yasu didn't die, she teleport-ed outside the island, created a fourth persona, found Battler somehow. Somehow Tohya, who has Battler's memories, didn't recognize her as Shannon and neither did Eva despite the fact Battler and Tohya were basically married. Oh and at the end Battler and Beatrice are reunited in the end, after many years, except they were together all along? Oh and despite Featherine being Ikuko's avatar, she also represent Beato, because why the fuck not.

And don't forget R07 didn't marry Ikuko and Tohya BECASE people dislike the idea of not-Battler being married to someone WHO WASN'T THE DAMN YASU.

Seriously, why are you so stupid? Do you also believe earth is flat?

>>17884278
Oh, I forgot.

>For the following years she takes care of Tohya and help him remember and help him solve the Rokkenjima accident. She writes other message bottle because of course she is guilty as fuck and come back to it often, and help Tohya for the exact same reason, and also because she loves him. She is ultimately the biggest witch around. She knows everything and tries to give a small amount of the truth in both Ep 3 and Ep 4, and to Tohya/Battler to help him remember.


No, Ikuko knows the truth BECAUSE she found Yasu's confession and bottles. We are SHOW this.

>>17884848
And because I'm having fun:

>Or maybe, just maybe, Yasu confessed under the guise of Ikuko, pretending to have found the bottle using ````magic''''. That is Occam's Razor at work.

You clearly don't know what the fuck Occam's Razor is. The manga s R07's FINAL ANSWER. There are no mysteries left in the manga, it goes in depth in explaining the characters' situations over and over so stupid idiots like you and rosatrice fags can shut the fuck up.

You are suggesting there is a CONSPIRACY in EP 8 MANGA and Ikuko is LYING despite the fact the narrative doesn't tell us she is.

This is the OPPOSITE of Occam's Razor, you moron. Stop using words you don't understand. .

>>17884908
Still believing that Ikuko is Yasu.

>>17884908
>You are suggesting there is a CONSPIRACY in EP 8 MANGA and Ikuko is LYING despite the fact the narrative doesn't tell us she is.
And she doesn't discuss about Rokkenjima for years until she finds about it casually o the new and she find Yasu damn confession.

>>17884908
And she doesn't discuss about Rokkenjima for years until she finds about it casually on the neet and she find Yasu's damn confession, which reveals how suicidal she was. She's not obsessed with Battler or wants him to remember, she's a lonely cake who is into mystery.

But according to you it's all a LIEEEE even though the whole point of the manga is to clear shit. Because even though the manga shows us new shit like Eva meeting Battler, somehow R07 didn't feel like sharing the fact Ikuko is the Umineko's most important character and she was Yasu all along.

>>17884836

>Manga is written to give all the answers
>Autistic still find a way to create conspiracies theories

Amazing.

>>17885030
Sometimes I wonder if the people who make alternative theories actually believe them or if they're just doing it for fun. Then idiots start taking their joke theory seriously.

>>17885154
I thought the Yasu=Ikuko thing was some sort of meme because of how ridiculous it is. I didn't realize that someone actually believed it until now

>>17885030
I think the autistic conspiracy theories are kind of fun, makes me almost wish the manga never happened.

>>17881825
you made my whole week, pls do more of these, anon

>>17884935
delet dis you heartless bastard

>>17885560
To be fair, the manga ruined the fun of uncoverubg the whole thing by ourselves.

But I do appreciate it for pretty much halting most of the undeserved hate Umineko got from people who didn't get it without it (aka more than 90% of the theorist in 4chan at the very least).

>>17888375
I do hate the manga for having to spell it out for people and I hate that Ryukishi got pressured to do it.

>>17888401
Yeah... that kinda sucked, makes me feel bad for the guy.

He was a really fair gamemaster, to use his own terms.

Ikuko is the only unfair gamemaster in-universe with the Rokkenjima Prime people (and only because they didn't have all the info we had as readers of Umineko), and she was painted as a fraud by everyone for that.

R07 literally deserved no hate and even went as far as breaking one of his favorites attributes of the VN slely to please this unpleasant part of the fandom (which unfortunately were majority for the longest time).

Still, it felt good seeing people finally appreciating Umineko for what it is in here, so I can't say it was the worst choice.

>>17888375
How would you think that you ever actually "got it" without official confirmation from the manga?

>But I do appreciate it for pretty much halting most of the undeserved hate Umineko got from people who didn't get it without it (aka more than 90% of the theorist in 4chan at the very least).

Surely you do realize that this appreciation and the previously mentioned ruin of the fun of mystery go perfectly hand in hand? You can't have one without the other.

People who didn't get it are the ones who truly thought rationally. As much as I appreciate the way R07 tried to set the story up, the truth is still unsolveable without the manga. You need to take a massive leap of faith to believe the truth.

>>17888480
Nope, every single information is in the VN.

Witch Hunt did destroyed some important evidence in their first translation, admitedly by themselves. The Steam version should be your point of reference, go read that and see if there's any info from the manga missing somehow.

In particular, even the acquisition of Eva's Diary by Ikuko was covered well in the first translation anyway, and that's the thing people in animesuki were debating whether or not was a retcon, when it was in EP6-8 all along

>>17888480
>People who didn't get it are the ones who truly thought rationally. As much as I appreciate the way R07 tried to set the story up, the truth is still unsolveable without the manga. You need to take a massive leap of faith to believe the truth.
I really don't understand how you guys think Episode 7 doesn't make almost everything very clear.

Dumb goats

>>17884934
Is that when Tohya lost his legs? Should've sat down first

>>17888661
The main thought in my head was "Who is Shannon?" I just didn't get the whole multiple personality thing.

>>17888375
>To be fair, the manga ruined the fun of uncoverubg the whole thing by ourselves.

You can't uncover anything without confirmation. How would you know? Pic related.

It's not like ep 7-8 don't tell your Kyrie killed everyone and Shkanon was a thing. You are not some kind of genius for figuring Umineko. The novel tells you.

>>17888800
What's that image from?

>>17888822
Higurashi.

>>17888800
That would be the case, if Higurashi and Umineko hadn't had all of their clues presented at least once in the story. The only thing the manga does is explicitly point them out in a neat straightforward package, bit-by-bit.

Even the Confession of the Golden Witch is more like extra material for info we already got from EP7 (don't get me wrong, is the very best kind of extra material and I love it, but the info is just an explicit overstatement for all of the things they told us in the VN).

+ You can't possibly solve EP6 without Shkanon, is the very only possible solution (and they almost throw it at your face with the final red in that episode about the body count being 16 excluding Erika).

And also they do say it's true about Kyrie and Rudolph, they just say it's not the whole truth about it (as Kyrie's talk seem to be clearly manipulated with the sole purpose of torturing Ange).

You have to reread Umineko once or twice, and it's long as fuck, I know. But you don't need to be a genius to figure it out by yourself. And you shouldn't even do so, Umineko is as complex as it is because it was intended to be solved by a huge community working and theorizing together (and it mostly was even before everything came into place by EP7).

>>17888836
>Even the Confession of the Golden Witch is more like extra material for info we already got from EP7

You mean things like this as well, right?
I for one completely let this scene pass through me when I was reading for the first time, didn't thought it would be so crucial. My fault for speedreading the seacats, I guess.

>>17888836
>That would be the case, if Higurashi and Umineko hadn't had all of their clues presented at least once in the story

No, that it still the case, because there are various ways to interpret a clue or you can simply dismiss it as a red herring or you may not notice the clue and you may interpreter something else as a clue.

How are you supposed to know if you something is right or wrong if you can't check the answer?

I "solved" Umineko by episode 6-7, like everyone. I say "solved" loosely because, again, the novel tells me Kyrie killed everyone in ep 7's Tea Party and then reinforces it again when Ange opens the diary. And it also tells me Shannon and Kanon share a body. There was never a doubt what happened on Rokkenjiam's prime. But I had no way to tell if I was right compared to the people who believed Kanon didn't exist in Rokkenjima's prime, Yasu was a girl and Battler was the culprit.

Didn't the Ikuko=Yasu theory we just discussed teach you anything? People can and will come up with various theories without the truth.

There is a reason why mystery's authors give the answer at the end, when your whole narrative is based on characters lying you have no way to know who's telling the truth. In some cases characters even contradict themselves by episode!

> Umineko is as complex as it is because it was intended to be solved by a huge community working and theorizing together
Yes, and every person has his own theory based on different interpretation of the story. Are you one of these people who read in 2016 instead of 2010?

>>17888861
You are interpreting the wrong way and completely ignoring the meta structure within the storytelling, fellow goat companion.

Re-read EP7 in the VN. They will clearly show Yasu as Shannon talking to the adults, who solved the epitaph together before the massacre could even start and revealing to them everything. The actual massacre was caused by the family members themselves instead of the actual mastermind.

What we are reading are Yasu's plans for the massacre while they are being read, "relived" and interpreted by Tohya while his memories from the past gave him more clues about it.

All of those stories except for their own forgeries had a fixed whodunnit and whydunnit, with sufficient room for how dunnit as long as the person reading was no other than Battler (which is why the game was unfair in-universe for Rokkenjima Prime, as they didn't had his perspectives or memories unlike us readers, who even got flashbacks for the characters).

In the case of Battler, it was a matter of him remembering things and linking the dots. It was obviously implied by the end of EP8 VN (and 100% confirmed by the manga) that Battler and Yasu both had a revealing conversation in which Yasu revealed him the whole true (while it was also revealed they just met with Eva before the island start exploding, but as they couldn't find her, they follow the path to the boat by themselves (reread Magic ending or just watch it on Youtube really).

Even the how characters had certain informations to be presented by us was perfectly well explained in the VN before the extra things in the manga were even something).

The culprit for the murder plots they are reading and Beatrice's identity is Yasu/Kanon/Shannon. The actual people who killed everybody in Rokkenjima were family members instead (especifically Kyrie and Rudolph, implied in both VN and manga of having plans of doing so in case the situation were handed poorly.

In the end, Yasu is the culprit in her stories alone, and for blowing the island after most of the people were already dead, too.

It's not difficult to realize that after that ABSOLUTELY valuable piece of information at the very end of EP8 by the Magic Ending's Epilogue (which pretty much explains the whole meta structure and prepare you for a re-read).

>Are you one of these people who read in 2016 instead of 2010?
I started reading at 2008, when the anime was first announced in an ANN article iirc, as I was a big fan of Higurashi. I know very well how stupid and delusional the community in here were sometimes, and have spoonfeed and comfy the newcomers are since there's the manga to serve as a little answer book on easy mode for them to compare back to back the VN with.

I am one of those who played the Umineko game on hardcore, theorizing from the very beginning, when people used to make fun of turtle Kanon in EP2-3's release more or less.

And just to mention something you guys might have heard a lot already, the japanese fanbase figured Shkanon out by EP3.

>>17888925
You don't need to explain Umineko to me, what are you even going on about?

Because you seem to miss the core issue of what I said.

In 2012 you didn't have a way to prove anything you wrote is true.

Someone said Beatrice never planned to kill anyone for real and just planned a fake murder mystery, someone said she did.

Who was right? If you actually read Umineko from the beginning, you would know how much people actually discussed these things, and no consensus was reached. As R07's said, without answers, you have no way to check if your interpretation of the story is structure.

And this is without getting into more complex issues like the more chaotic episodes like 3 and 5.

>And just to mention something you guys might have heard a lot already, the japanese fanbase figured Shkanon out by EP3.
So did the west. We just regarded it as a joke because it was too easy and a reused concept from Higurashi.

>>17888401
>>17888462
I wonder if the new Umineko episode he brought up has to do with this. Now that the truth is out for us, will he write an episode based on that in some form?

>>17889022
>We just regarded it as a joke because it was too easy and a reused concept from Higurashi.

What the fuck are you on about anon lol
It has nothing to do with Higurashi's plot point at all.

Don't spill bullshit.
Mion isn't Shion, nor was anyone else.

>>17889032
I just wish it was Land of The Golden Witch but it's already confirmed it isn't.

>>17889040
Not quite confirmed.

Land had Chiru content as well.
It could be it.

>>17889032
Maybe something like Meakashi, we can get a VN version of Confession and see a game from Sayo's perspective?

>>17889036
>Mion isn't Shion, nor was anyone else.

Please don't try to spawn any new insane conspiracy theories

>>17889052
It seems to be already happening.

4chan why...

>>17889036
>What the fuck are you on about anon lol
Shion - Mion
Shannon - Kanon

Woah, who would have though there was some weird going on with their identities.

>Mion isn't Shion
Actually, relatively speaking, she is.

>>17889043
Did it? I mean other than Erika being in Land.

>>17889052
Wait, Shion is Mion and Mion is Shion. They switched places as kids.

>>17889062
It was said that Land's plot elements were used across Episodes 4-6.

>>17889022
>In 2012 you didn't have a way to prove anything you wrote is true.

With EP8, you had more than enough evidences to work with and solve stuff. The only actually cryptic thing was Willard's answers, and if you mentioned that instead, I would even understand, that was quite an enigmatic thing that was much more clear in the manga (and yet, it wasn't impossible to solve as a riddle, but it would take a while for a single person to figure out which things were being talked about).

People in here had many troubles to figure out things because they were stll trying to disprove Shkanon somehow and completely ignored EP8 as some kind of magical trainwreck because of the many crazy fights, instead of paying more attention to its content (which actually explained both EP3 and EP7 points about the Truth of Rokkenjima Prime, which you are arguing there was no way to properly point out what it was. There was, and if you pay enough attention you will see there's no other possibilities than that.

People being confused with the plot =/= the plot not confirming anything. The author went as far as explaining quite explicitly how each EP worked and how they were set in the narrative by the very end of Umineko itself.

By that point, the meta shouldn't be especulations, every single piece of relevant info about Tohya and how the other EPs connect was explicitly stated.

It's just that in 2012 the readers were full of retarded and trolls. And if you were really there, you know it's true. Some barely payed attention to what they read, some posted fake spoilers, some posted errouneous information based on machine translation, some even fucking got offended by the Goat thing for Christ sake, and that was suppose to be a representation of Rokkenjima Prime's people regardless.

>Someone said Beatrice never planned to kill anyone for real and just planned a fake murder mystery, someone said she did.

Easily disproved, Beatrice was clearly conspirating to get everyone killed, but was giving Battler a chance to solve before it happened. EP7 in the VN (and even a bit of EP8 as well) spelled exactly that. There's something called argue back other people's theory to reach the actual truth (which of course, is very reachable as long as you connect the dots correctly). By working in community, it's way easier to do that (debating contradicting information is ... unless you are in a chaotic imageboard like 4chan (which is why forums had such a better in-depth interpretation of the whole thing overall, besides sometimes missing some bits here and there). Most of those little images explaining things, where do you think they came from? not from the mess that was 4chan, that's for sure (from here we only got the pony theory thing, which was ironically partially truth, and that was awesome). The other solid evidences and demonstrations all came from animesuki users.


>Who was right? If you actually read Umineko from the beginning, you would know how much people actually discussed these things, and no consensus was reached.
Point above apply to that as well. You probably just went to 4chan for the Umineko stuff. We created solid informations and we barely had any additional thing to solve any longer until the manga came by and made us realize some minor bits which were in the VN anyway (particularly confusing in the case of Ange's timeline, but they were all there).

Even if you were to argue there was no way to prove something, you could disprove a lot of things that weren't the truth quite easily, especially in here. Not that people cared by the time of post-EP8, as the threads became a retarded hatedom up to when the manga came by.

>As R07's said, without answers, you have no way to check if your interpretation of the story is structure.

And he gave those answers in both Higurashi AND Umineko, inside the very thing, by the 6th "Expansion" of each. Your argument is lacking, he never said he was referring to the manga of Umineko, or Higurashi's for that matter.

>And this is without getting into more complex issues like the more chaotic episodes like 3 and 5.
I mean, 5 was the only actual challenge, and some more conclusive info about it we could only get by EP8. Not that difficult once you have that, Shkanon and the Unreliability of having one of the accomplices as the point of view instead of Erika's as a detective.

These were all very frequently talked about plot-devices, even in-story, especially during EP6. The info was all there. Whether someone tried to said otherwise, it was very simple to counterargument it back (the problem was most of the people barely care by that time).

I'm having the impression you yourself picked Umineko during the worse time and in the worst side of the fandom to discuss about it (here, that is).

>>17889043
He said in Answer to the Golden Witch that he doesn't want to release it. I guess he could have changed his mind, but I doubt it

>I don’t think I would be able to make you enjoy Land, now that all of you have learned about the truth. If the answer is already out, it’s laughable to try and hide it with difficult riddles. At best it would be funny. Maybe you’d think “Hey, that makes up for some of it”. Well that might happen, but almost all of the tricks planned for Land have been divided up and mixed into what became EP4~6. I really hear you asking for a release of Land, but I’m afraid I’m just not able to do that anymore.

>>17889061
You don't say, R07 basically spelled out from the beginning something fishy was going on.

Still have NOTHING to do with Higurashi's plot point involving those two, at all. There are barely any similarities other than the name thing hinting at something, and that something was explained in EP1 or 2 already (the name for the servants who came from Fukuin House finishing in On).

There was no explicitly direct indication about them being the actual culprit Beatrice as ONE person up to EP6 (one EP before the answers hit with EP7).

Comparing to Higurashi's case in any way other than "the name sound similar" is just ridiculous.

>Actually, relatively speaking, she is.
I know that, I was talking about being the same actual person and such, the plot device in Umineko, that is.

>twins and multiple people actually being the same person are the same plot point
they're literally the opposite, nice bait