/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>17632523
It can be cute, I don't mind it. Then again, I don't care much about graphics, I'd rather be concerned about the stories themselves.

They are cute

Smelly, dumb

>>17632523
Mostly garbage but can be good sometimes.

Some of it's fun, other's trash. Artstyle is cute.

i used to hate it but now it kind of reminds me of the old times

>>17632523
I remember when I thought it would be a good idea to show some commitment and make a walfas animation just like the best. but then, it came to me that "the best" was just lazy, cheap humor and/or references, exploring tired tropes, all done in a cookie cutter manner on a template tool.
in the end I realized that true effort would be to create a real doujin, music or game. really glad I didn't engage in such nonsense.

i have no problem with the program

Verboten

It's a lazy, ugly art style that draws only the most unoriginal and difficult to watch "artists". The Walfas artstyle itself is incredibly flat, awful at showing emotion, and simply can't be drawn in any other perspectives aside from front view. It really doesn't help that there has never been anything of artistic merit made with these abominations, meaning that they have even less merit than yukkuri, if that were even possible.
Now, that last bit isn't entirely Walfas' fault, as it's only popular in the western side of the fandom, and I struggle to think of even a single thing that we've made that I could say was really worthwhile. The only quality pieces you get from western content creators are the occasional good piece of art or music. I can't think of a single western narrative that was able to capture the essence of Touhou accurately, or at least do something interesting with the ideas found within the series.

>>17632562
Too bad the stories are always trash.

>>17633439
Not like there's actual competition, the only decent walfa animators are Ceej and TheSutanian, with Ceej being the only active and good one. Though that Reimu and Cirno channel has been improving and mostly does original shit.

>>17634393
I just looked up Ceej, and I did not enjoy what I saw.

>>17634392
>I struggle to think of even a single thing that we've made that I could say was really worthwhile
Well there's Daniel Renard, AJS, Ciryes, Spotty Len, Harpoonneet and the sperg Magiftw and recently a mostly reddit based group created another touhou based rhythm game, but those are the ones off the top of my head.

Its not like they don't exist, but they never get the attention they deserve and they slowly die off when they get bored.

>>17634399
Care to elaborate? I think he's fine a little on the whiny side but generally good.

>>17634412
Of those I've only ever heard of Ciryes, and he's just an ironic weeb given a platform from which to shitpost. I see no reason to support his endeavors, and highly doubt the rest of those are worth looking into.

>>17634415
The voice acting is bad, and not in a humorous sort of way.
The humor is just kind of dry and incredibly predictable. The delivery feels very lackluster.
And then of course Walfas just doesn't really lend itself to nice looking animation.

i don't really have a problem with walfas itself, but the community around it is something else entirely.
and man is the community "something"

>>17634412
There's also Amen, MasterofHelium, Tarmo Flake, Spaztique and a bunch of shit from youtubers that usually involve Undertale or a youtube poop style mix up.

There was Mantis-X‏, but he threw in the towel to make ultra high quality loli porn videos.

>>17634412
I just looked at Magiftw's channel.
Why the fuck does he have a 50 minute video dedicated to explaining who Alice is? Who the fuck needs to spend that much time to establish who a character is? She sure as hell does not have that much to go over.

>>17634430
"Deconstructive" Satirical Fan Fiction tends to become some of the worst works around, in my experience. Making a satire of something as harmless as fan fiction, which is often simply a tool for young people to discover their voice through writing awful shit, feels incredibly self indulgent and pointless. It's even worse when the person doing it has no actual experience in writing themselves. Often times these works will end up feeling aimless and needlessly cynical. The fact that they're pretending that they know the proper way to write, and that somehow their shitty work will inspire others to write something good, is probably more destructive than any legitimate attempt at writing something could ever be.

>>17634441
>Spaztique
See the post right above yours.

Single handedly killed the western creative fanbase.

>>17634422
You should really check out Daniel Renard but then again to those their own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cnND7LhGI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9udw3r9sGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrhXkwPyR10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArJe--CGatg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq00rcJBiys

>>17634451
>Why the fuck does he have a 50 minute video dedicated to explaining who Alice is?
Why do you think I called him a sperg? But he's mostly known for those videos.

>>17632523
Overused to death by the spic community.

>>17634481
Well they're spics, they don't know any better.

>>17634478
Daniel makes me sad because he could be doing far better and more interesting things than he does now, and then he squanders his talents on these unfunny dance things.

>Why do you think I called him a sperg? But he's mostly known for those videos.
It's weird, because I watched one of his news videos after that and he sounds so much better when he's speaking more naturally. I think he needs more direction and focus, and should probably learn how to better edit his videos (really, I only skimmed the Alice video but it really should be in multiple parts) but he strikes me as a good guy and I hope the best for him.

>>17634481
As expected of subhumans.

>>17634520
>he squanders his talents on these unfunny dance things
Its more of a hobby for him, last time I heard he does work for Warner Bros. or was it Cartoon Network? Im more impressed how quickly he can work, his touhou videos are only an inch away from being Disney quality (animation-wise).

>>17634520
He is pretty chill and he did do the whole multiple video part format with Reimu, Marisa, and Sakuya until youtube allowed the hour long video option. What he really needs is a designer because his thumbnails and graphics are terrible.

>>17634422
>The voice acting is bad
Not going to argue but its better than text-bubbles or Microsoft Sam shit.

>The humor is just kind of dry and incredibly predictable. The delivery feels very lackluster.
Eh, I guess everyone has there own level of tolerance. Comparing his shit on the broader animation cliches on youtube he ranks pretty well in terms of original content (little to none of that video parodying shit.), considering most animation youtubers are either dead or switched to reaction/ rant/ review/ top 10 videos just to get paid.

>And then of course Walfas just doesn't really lend itself to nice looking animation.
Better than what's available now both on the internet (Non-professional wise) and tv, and its actually well animated for what it is and is slowly improving.

>>17634534
Just because youtube allows hour long videos does not mean you should make these videos one hour long. I believe that returning to a multi-part format would give his videos a better sense of focus, would allow him to separate his videos out between the various topics that I'm sure he's covering, or at least wouldn't feel like a choir to sit through.

>>17634552
>Better than what's available now both on the internet (Non-professional wise) and tv
This in and of itself is a lie.

>>17634578
Or at least put timestamps in the description. You could try telling him that through the comment section, he does reply, and see how he reacts.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_9h8k6J8Mz2ZkB9nWIDIdQ/videos
I don't see how you can actually dislike Reimu and Cirno's videos.

I don't like seeing people dismiss walfas animations out of hand. The ones you like are good and the ones you dislike are bad. That's how all art is. If you really dislike them all, well, I think that's unfair but arguing taste doesn't work. Most of you aren't talking about the legitimacy of the method of animation, but the community. That's fair, but then we get comments like
>I struggle to think of even a single thing that we've made that I could say was really worthwhile
Give me a break. We aren't that bad.

Reimu fights the bad guys of adrkness is the best thing to come out of walfas.
That whole trilogy is the best thing to come out of the western community.

>>17634625
>We
It's difficult to see the faults in a foundation until you take a step out, and it's incredibly difficult to criticize those who you consider to be your friend.

>>17634645
When I say 'we' I am referring to every westerner that ever did as much as a touhou doodle on a napkin. I am not a content creator so I have no skin in the game beyond being a westerner. It's an absurdly large brush to paint with to say the west has produced nothing of value. You don't have to paint the sistine chapel to be valuable. "Decent" and "good" have value too.

>>17634657
>"Decent" and "good" have value too.
I'd struggle to find things that even deserve those labels.

>>17634663
You can't think of one good touhou drawing by a westerner? You must have far higher standards than I do. Again, a person's taste is what it is. You have to take their word for it and arguing taste never results in changing anyone's mind. The direct answer to op's question is: it depends on who you ask. If he's looking for validation for liking walfas, he needs to stop trying to legitimize his taste by looking for affirmation from others. Taste doesn't need legitimizing.

>>17634663
Post something you consider good art, please.

>>17634404

>>17632523
I used to like him when I was very new to Touhou, about 9 years ago.

>>17634478
That style is incredibly jarring for some reason. Especially the Koakuma.

>>17632523
It's just a tool, that's like asking what someone thinks of hammers and expecting an answer about all things made with hammers

>>17638673
Wanna know how I know you're on the spectrum?

>>17638738
Not him but I'd be curious to know because I think you're the one being dumb.

>>17638754
Sure. He's the first one to take an issue with this. Most of the thread has been discussing the things made with Walfas, in fact, right off the bat. Also, his analogy isn't even correct unless the things would be made of hammers as well.

>>17638673
If we're going by your analogy, the tool can still be shit.

>>17638673
Analogies like that don't work because it implies that Walfas have a proper purpose that they perform well. Walfas are more akin to those shitty infomercial products that don't actually do anything better than a traditional tool would.

>>17632523
Super cute art style, one of the fewer meme styles from its era that's held up really well. personally I just like when it's used to recreate other vids like https://youtu.be/kuRBGGS-Jfc

I'm always hesitant to watch anything that's an OC production with them though. I've met too many kids (through unfortunate Steam friendships that were quickly ended because I'm an old fart who knows when it's too late to make new friends ;_;) who claim to like touhou but know nothing about it, and they're often the types to make stuff like this. It's all memes and internet jokes, the main reason this exists is because Touhou doesn't have an anime for kids to fight over making abridged series of.

>>17638883
You know what I hate, more than most things? I hate when people take things that work incredibly well in the medium or style that they were designed for, and convert it to an objectively inferior medium or style as some sort of ill-conceived tribute, often leeching attention from the superior thing that they're trying to pay homage to in the first place. It's a disgusting trend that tells me that these people don't actually realize the pros and cons to the programs or mediums or styles that they're utilizing. I see this far more often in MMD (which, honestly, is only really good for dance videos and the occasional humor video thanks to how awful the clipping gets with almost anything else), but Walfas content creators will pull this shit too fairly often.

Anyway, posting the superior version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o13vZi0HOAo

>>17638858
>>17638878
Well, yeah, you can say Walfas as a tool sucks. I just find it bizarre that, as >>17638773, it's instantly assumed that the problem are the things made with Walfas.

>>17638945
>it's instantly assumed that the problem are the things made with Walfas.
I mean that's not far off. Walfas is kind of like GoAnimate, it encourages incredibly lazy works.

>>17638903
Would you like some ice cream to go with all those rustled jimmies?

>>17638975
Just calling out shit taste as I see it, friend.

>>17638975
He's not wrong.

>>17634633
>Reimu fights the bad guys of adrkness

Truly a MASTA PISS.

>>17638990
You're right. All the detail that makes the original good is lost in the walfas remake. If you're going to make a walfas you ought to play to its strengths.

>>17634393
>Reimu and Cirno
This is the only good one. Actually good humor and delivery.

>>17632523
Artwise it's fine, a great resource for the artistically impaired.

As for what is created with it, like all fanfiction it varies from not too bad to atrocious, with the occasional funny one thrown in.

you wanna hear somethin funny?

At a glance, I've never liked any of it.

>>17632523
>/JP/

>>17632523
I feel penis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs4MWCxTW9I

>>17647128
>Artwise it's fine
It's really not. It's very flat, can only show a single perspective without looking weird, allows very limited freedom of movement, and is generally unexpressive.

>>17634393
I think you didn't understood what I meant back then, so let me elaborate. this is for you, and all walfas users who could be browsing.

it's okay, actually awesome to express your creativity and fun can bring you a long way. but walfas is a crutch platform. it's a solution to create for art-impaired person, in which he could create something with certain and predictable quality despite his skill level. the problem with this is, in the end, you can go only so far. you're limiting yourself to a very basic tool, and either a person driven by laziness, and one who is very inventive will achieve very similar common ground, mediocre or (as on given examples on previous comments) worse. but this enters on user mindset analysis, and it's not the objective of this post. consider that, instead of exert trying to warp limitations, you could use this inspiration on a more broad medium and go beyond. do not take it as a right or wrong situation, and more as another possibility to consider.