/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>17624210
Not very

>>17624210
Remove all arrows besides "Friends with", "Hates" and "Drinking Buddies" and maybe this chart will start resembling something accurate.

>>17624210

kourin fucks all the 2hus, op

How accurate it is is how accurate you want it to be, that's the fun of having headcanons. I'd disagree with a lot of this and I'd argue the cross-review from SCoOW pretty much drives home the fact that all Youmu really thinks about is Yuyuko

As for actual canon material, romance doesn't exist in Touhou, het or gay.

>>17624263
I'd honestly much rather read about him than faceless men but doujin artists don't seem to like him. He's a proud wizard anyway.

>>17624210
It's really inaccurate. And how dare you put Kogasa all on her own, that's quite rude of you.

>>17624401
The 4 great legs of Gensokyo

Eirin and Yukari don't like each other.

>>17624412
This is now a Kogasa/Nue's legs thread.

How accurate is this?

How accurate is this?

>>17624422
Yukari and Eirin aren't connected by anything. Yukari is connected to Rinnosuke.

>>17624525
What the hell is that, some kind of messed up family tree?

>>17624529
Please no.

>>17624236

Marisa x Reimu is canon.

>pc98
>canon
nope

>>17624560

it's september. even the calendar tells us that we must determine who is strongest.

kanakp is the tsundre one though

>>17624210
Chen has the most lolicons chasing after her!

>>17624210
Kaguya being Yandere to Mokou sounds weird, it should be Lusts after.

>>17624582
>Manipulation of Time and Space
>Mid tier
>Fucks shit up on the moon
>High tier

Everytime

>>17624529
What do the numbers mean? How old they appear to be?
>tfw already older than what most 2hus look like

>>17624582
Stop saving the images as jpg. It is all blurry now.

>>17624529
Incredibly inaccurate, as I'm sure you must know.

>>17624582
Only slightly better, but still awful.

>>17624582
This reeks of kuso

>>17624582
Someone needs to make a good version of this chart.

Now outdated and has some errors, but honestly the best I've seen.

>>17625052
Not bad.

>>17625052
Too bad walfas ruins it.

>>17625076
How can you hate walfas, come on.

>>17625121
It's a lazy style utilized by the creatively bankrupt as an easy method of making shitty, no-effort fan works.
It is also very unappealing visually, like something ripped from an early 00's flash animation.

>>17625121
not that guy but walfas are fucking shit for secodaries and breed OCs like the plague

that stupid "heres the REAL touhou not your headcanon" image thats nothing but one guys headcanon made me despise them for good

I never understand why these charts just ignore Yukari's hatred for Tenshi. She's one of the few people that really bothered her other than the moonbitches.

>>17625130
Is Walfas even still alive? I remember liking him when I was really new to 2hu about 9 years ago.

>>17625134
Because almost everyone hates Tenshi.

>>17625076
True, but since it allows for a uniform style for most of the images and is a free resource, it was deemed the best choice. The old version of this had illustrations by a few different artists which would have required finding more that fit the style and giving additional credit to them when it was updated.

>>17625121
Like others said, it (unfortunately) allows anyone to make Touhou works with no effort involved. Which means most of everything produced using it is copy-paste dreck. I unironically blame the proliferation of walfas, in part, for the creative stagnation of the western fandom.

>>17624210
You got Cirno all wrong.

>>17624582
Move tank up a tier - it is at least a strong as Momiji and her natural counter.

>>17625130
>heres the REAL touhou not your headcanon" image thats nothing but one guys headcanon
Saying that the Moon Sisters aren't Mary Sues, Momiji doesn't like Aya, Komachi doesn't hunt for souls et cetera is headcanon? How?
Looking at the picture, the only things that look wrong are Mokou's harsh portrayal, as she considers Keine a friend for more than just one reason, and Cirno not being stupid.

>>17624267
>artists don't seem to like him
If you'd read the print works starring that stealth neckbeard, you'd find him distasteful too.

At least a hero emerges from among the faceless villagers from time to time, like Hungry-kun, who BARRELLED OVER A GOD (that incapacitated the Hakurei shrine maiden) BECAUSE THAT'S HOW FUCKING HUNGRY HE WAS (for yakitori made by fairies).

>>17625825
Moonsisters are glass cannons on the same level as Patchouli - a simple pit trap was enough to disable one and I feel that someone like Suika could break them like toothpicks. Defeating Reimu is impressive, but that was the entire point of the arc, to show that in spite of her abilities she isn't invincible.

Most secondary thread on /jp/

>>17625825
The image has a bunch of problems and half-truths, are you kidding?

Marisa isn't carefree, she is strong because she works so fucking hard. Being goofy and drinking teas and stealing shit doesn't mean she doesn't care. Implying Reimu and Marisa fight more than they are together is idiotic too. Yes I know he meant in the games but that's obviously a game mechanic. Them being close and working together on many things is very easily understood if you read literally any print work or manga, they have different methods for investigating incidents but spend a ton of time together discussing things and helping each other out.

Sakuya being "perfect and elegant" is just as much of a secondary meme-spouting as the pads thing; she's one of the goofier characters in canon and teases Reimu regularly. She's a good maid and a great cook but hardly some kind of bastion of elegance. She's utterly devoted to Remi but seems very aware of the fact that Remi is childish.

Saying Yukari is "waiting for the Hakurei bloodline to die" makes no sense whatsoever as the Hakurei Shrine and Shrine Maiden are integral to maintaining the barrier, and she works with Reimu regularly. Reimu dying without an heir would be a hassle for her and the youkai, Aya has stated that they would have to find another Shrine Maiden.

Nitori IS supposed to be shy when you meet her at first, and isn't just "neurotic". The whole point is she's the "Candid Friend" who now shows what she's really like to the protagonists; she is cheap and abrasive and only wants for her people to prosper.

Cirno and Mokou are obviously wrong as you said. Cirno's dumb and Mokou considers Keine her closest friend and the only person who truly understands her.

Sanae isn't fucking stupid, she is naive at worst because she is an outsider. She is devoted to gathering faith for Kanako and Suwako but her actions in WaHH to try and manipulate the humans by helping them regularly should be obvious enough that she's just naive and enthusiastic, not a literal retard who can't function on her own.

Saying Tenshi "beat everyone" is a gross oversimplification of SWR's story where she loses to everyone and then loses AGAIN to Yukari when she tries to sneak a Keystone into the Shrine. Yes, she beats everyone Suika invites to heaven in her scenario, but the implication is that's all that happened, which is straight up not true.

Mima wasn't just "mischievous" she was straight up antagonistic and scheming in SoEW and Marisa did not inherit that whatsoever. He's right that she is goofier after she loses there but that's kind of a big deal.

I highly doubt ZUN gives a shit about R18 fanworks enough to "disapprove" of them entirely when he's extremely supportive of doujin culture.

Just because he says some things that are true and obvious like Momiji hates Aya and "lol Tenshi isn't an M and Yuuka isn't an S" doesn't mean that most of the image isn't filled with his own headcanons and interpretations of a series that lends itself to people filling in the blanks themselves. He says shit that's obviously only cared about in the world of secondaries and doujins while purporting his interpretation of characters as "TRUE CANON". The fact that this image has been unironically posted everywhere for years and people legitimately hold it up as some paragon of truth is just as annoying as people spouting dumb memes about Sakuya.

>>17626056
>She's a good maid and a great cook but hardly some kind of bastion of elegance
While what you say about her being spaced out at times and a bit goofy is true, she does still hold that elegant and perfect aura around her and this has also been confirmed in official works.

>She claims to be in her late teens, but this is unlikely judging by her refined manner and the level of her abilities. Rather, she seems to be a human who has been living for hundreds of years

>>17624525
This is really neat. Unfortunately I don't know my mythology worth a shit and can't appreciate it.

>>17626056
>Sakuya being "perfect and elegant" is just as much of a secondary meme-spouting as the pads thing
"Perfect and elegant" is one of Sakuya's official titles.

>>17626056
>Marisa isn't carefree, she is strong because she works so fucking hard. Being goofy and drinking teas and stealing shit doesn't mean she doesn't care
>Although I'm goofy and carefree, I know when to be serious: especially if I or others are in danger
At least quote the entire thing.
>Yes I know he meant in the games but that's obviously a game mechanic
No, it's what actually happens, "obviously a game mechanic" is the perspective that makes no sense if you look at the positioning of the boss and Reimu's sprites.
>literally any print work or manga
They were talking about incidents. Those aren't incidents, it's just routine, they don't affect the safety of Gensokyo as a whole.
>If a youkai has caused "something" that could affect all of Gensokyo, it is dealt with as an "incident". Such cases are dealt with via youkai extermination by humans, and the resulting settling-down of the situation. [SCooW]
>Yukari is "waiting for the Hakurei bloodline to die"
of old age. It doesn't mean that Yukari wants them to die, waiting as in "time passing by".
>Nitori IS supposed to be shy
The whole point of the bubble speech was to destroy the image of Nitori, who in fact doesn't have the guts to express her maliciousness, as the stereotypical girl engineer. Her shyness isn't genuine modesty, it's cowardice. A better, more accurate phrasing would have been "She isn't meek".
>not a literal retard who can't function on her own
Of course Sanae isn't a retard, but she certainly depends on her goddesses' advice a lot. Her shot types in UFO are literally called "I'll do as Lady Suwako/Kanako (and keep in mind this was what she replied to Byakuren when the latter asked her about the justness of hunting youkai) says!" and Kanako scolds her in the PD/Legacy no miss ending for her partially untrue report, telling her to do a 100% true report next time.
>Mima wasn't just "mischievous"
Nobody said she was "just mischievous".
>Marisa did not inherit that whatsoever.
Nobody said she inherited those traits.
>I highly doubt ZUN gives a shit about R18 fanworks enough to "disapprove" of them entirely when he's extremely supportive of doujin culture.
Of course he's supportive, but up to a certain point.
>In addition, please refrain from making commercial goods of a sexualized
nature (such as dakimakura covers with sexual imagery).
>"[Don't make] Excessive sexual depictions" basically means don’t run afoul of the law. Naturally, I’d like all creators to respect the laws of Japan.
He also toned down the clothing damage in recent games due to the increasing popularity of Touhou among the children.
>shit that's obviously only cared about in the world of secondaries and doujins
A lot of people read those doujin and the whole point of the pic was that canon Gensokyo is good enough, if you explore it. You talk like secondaries don't browse this board and say crap like "Yukari wouldn't care if someone were to destroy the Barrier". Which does happen.

>Sakuya being "perfect and elegant" is just as much of a secondary meme-spouting as the pads thing
This made me smile though. Seriously? Don't call other people secondaries if you're going to say such a thing.

>>17626170
And one of Reimu's is "Shaman of Paradise." Reimu isn't even a shaman.

>>17626427
>Miko were once likely seen as a shaman but are understood in modern Japanese culture to be an institutionalized role
From Wikipedia. Also, "Perfect and Elegant Maid/Servant" appears in a lot more works.

>>17624210
/u/ is the worst i swear

Anyone got anymore decent 2hu infographics?

>>17625044

lol

how accurate is this?

>>17624210
Very wrong, there's only "friends with", "drinking buddies" and "hates" in the case of Mokou and Kaguya, and even that one is pushing it cause somedays they're killing each other and other days they're just chilling and Mokou got worried sick that one time she heard Kaguya could be going back to the moon.

>>17626170
And it isn't how she acts at all. She is far from perfect and knows it. Sakuyafags ignore the most charming aspect of her character in favor of saying she's perfect all the time.

>>17627666
>And it isn't how she acts at all. She is far from perfect and knows it.
Interpretations and attitude aside, "I am the perfect and elegant maid Sakuya Izayoi" is a 100% valid statement. It's her canon, ZUN-made title in multiple occasions, most notably PCB and PoFV. Not to mention, while "Perfect" is always going to be hyperbolic if referred to someone, Sakuya certainly is elegant.

>>17624267
Do consider that some touhou characters were actual parents, so the concept of romance or at least sexual attraction isn't completely alien.
>>17625851
I'm sorry you view Morichika-sama's that way. Hungry-kun is pretty admiring and best part he isn't Jinyou.

>>17629577
Funny enough, only heterosexual relationships have ever explicitly been mentioned in Touhou.

>>17629799
How is that funny you hetero normative shitlord

>>17624529
>>17624210
>>17624582
inacurrate as hell and outdated

>>17625076
not really, walfas is a ok-ish medium if you don't fill with OOC and OC dount steel

>>17624525
I need the names to figures some of those

>>17624525
okina solely fuck up a great portion of this chart

>>17624210
It's just some yurifag's headcanon.

>>17625052
I see Usami Renko and Reimu are not connected in this. Is their connection a fandom or it's also hinted in the canon? I remember reading about it somewhere, perhaps in Yumeutsutsu (fandom).

>>17625052
This needs updating. Preferably by someone who isn't graphically clueless, like me. Walfas is fine, people complain too much.

>>17624210
>loves
Anything but hates, drinking buddies, and friends with MUST be wrong

>>17624267
>romance doesn't exist in Touhou, het or gay
The only implications of romance or relationships in Touhou have all been heterosexual except POSSIBLY Miko, although Miko was supposed to be a man.

The Moon sisters
Suwako
Seiga
Junko
Chang'e
Celestials also do this:
>Celestials are known to be granted veils by the lord of Heaven, and according to legend a celestial maiden whose veil is stolen must remain on Earth and marry the thief. In recent times some have started "losing" their veils on purpose and waiting for a man to pick it up, staying with him if he's attractive and taking it back if he isn't. This has caused humans to become wary, and nowadays someone who finds a veil is more likely to sell it to a collector.

>>17624525
No Marisa and Reimu? Huh. Well, it seems mostly about myth so I guess that's why.

>>17637784
To my knowledge there isn't a single note of connection.

>>17629577
>I'm sorry you view Morichika-sama
Not him, but Kourin is a total cunt. He doesn't like interacting with people, even, so it's no wonder he's not often used as "male standin", unless you want to make him out of character.

Like, he'll be nice-ish and do a few favors but "distasteful" really describes him well. An entertaining protagonist, but definitely a jerk.

>>17626427
As someone else said shaman roughly equals shrine maiden. Also if you think it's a mistranslation, it's not. It's not even ambiguous.
>楽園の素敵なシャーマン

How accurate is this?

>>17648335
I want to find the veil of Tenshi and strangle her with it!

>>17648496
As it should be

>>17648496
0%

>>17624582
>death is now free ice cream

NANI?

>>17648496
Alice is 100% bad at math.

>>17626427
>>17648481
You'd have to be pretty new to not know ZUN dives into synonyms in titles and such all the time. It never has to be literal; even the point of using 楽園 (paradise) is to act as a synonym for Gensokyo. It's flavour.

Now how accurate is this one?

>>17648670
>Yukari <----<3----> Reimu
what series are the fans of Yukari/Reimu observing? How many times has it been made clear that Reimu finds Yukari genuinely loathsome and irritating? It's not like Mokou and Kaguya's complex hate/rivalry, Yukari is honestly super annoying. She barges in, makes Reimu do shit, steals her food, crashes at her pad without notice, causes mischief, is lazy when she shouldn't be, comes uninvited to parties, and lectures her regularly. Reimu is also unaware of Yukari's good points and better intentions, so to the shrine maiden, Yukari is almost exclusively a mere nuisance.

yukari is reimu's deadbeat girlfriend

>>17648459
He's an old person with an interest in something that everyone else in Gensokyo takes for granted. I would be a jerk too if everyone took a look at that high-tech phone that I spent months getting functional again and then tried to use it as a paperweight.

>>17648770

you're just a jerk in general though

>>17648770
Not criticizing him, just observational statements.

How accurate is this?

>>17648670
>letty likes cirno

>>17650692
100%

>>17624525
neat

>>17624210
Too complicated. Please delete all the shit girls that no one cares about.

>>17660519
There.

>>17660730
Where's Reimu?

>>17660759
>shit girl that nobody care about

>>17624210
now it's accurate

>>17660811
But Reimu is the best girl by far.

>>17660930
Nice headcanon