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>>16923475
Press S to exterminate.

So did Yukari just want to test Reimu's resolve or what

>>16923475
You could have saved her. You could have protected that smile.

Is this the darkest and edgiest Touhou print work?

>>16923521
I mean, at least it has a story.
Hopefully it doesn't go full Grimdark Gensokyo on us though.

I can't believe Marisa is fucking dead.

>>16923475
what anime is this?

So instead of fighting youkai oppressors, she joined them? Deserves to die I guess.

>>16923643
>Deserves to die I guess.
She won't die. Because she's Reimu friend. It will make Reimu killing the Fortune teller Hypocritical.

>>16923654
Reimu is closer to Marisa than Kosuzu, so I'm not so sure.

>>16923654
Nobody sees her exterminating the fortune teller tho. Since Reimu had been extra careful to her to uphold her image, as long as the extermination was done in remote place, and Kosuzu's parents can be held quiet about this, then Reimu might as well exterminate her.

I doubt she'll die. If ZUN had the nerve to go that route then fortune teller would have been a cute girl instead of a monstrous looking man.

We knew it was coming. But we expected her to struggle with it, to deny it's reality, though if I had to guess, she's been one of them ever since her power evolved for the first time.

This, however, makes it quite clear. Now that she knows what she is and what she is truly capable of, she chose to revel in it.

If the Miko doesn't get her, something worse will. Weep for the girl she was, and burn the body.

If I wanted to read something retarded I would have just read a Zounose story.

Raw where?

>>16923751
>canonfags in suicide watch
Oh lawdy

>>16923475
where did you find this???

Suzu's broken beyond repair now, thanks ZUN.

>>16923751
>Zounose will soon draw for Offical Touhou Manga
Finally CanonFags can Killed themselves now.

>>16923751
>Zounose will soon draw for Offical Touhou Manga
Finally, CanonFags can Kill themselves now.

Marisa has been through worse.

Be ready to hear this in your EX stage soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfibqo6BRTo

http://bato.to/reader#ffdcb5c5d7dceaf0
In better news, we got the Tsukumos tonight.

>>16923875
whata fuck yukari

rude

>>16923875
Holy fuck, Marisa, how stupid can you be? I know you're all excited, but god damn.

Will the Humans finally remove the Shackles Placed on them by the Youkai?

So what do you think Kosuzu actually plans to do?

>>16923475
Why didn't you stop it?

Damn it, Suzu!

Someone post the kosnoozer while we contemplate the possibility that she is no longer with us.

>>16923958
This Kosnoozer is not snoozing, she is dead

>>16923939
Since she didnt know the aftermath of Fortune Teller case, she'd probably tries to acsend herself into soemthing more powerful to be a "superhuman" representing the human village to combat those evil manipulating forces...
Poor girl and her childish naivety... (remembers when she was annoyed that Akyuu tries to hold her back)

Overall, this chapter is tamer than that single OP picture suggest it going to be.

F ;_;7

Now that Kosuzu is dead, who will be the next target for the hag's grooming?

I can't believe Marisa is fucking dead.

>>16923751
Oh boy, you complained the the very start of the manga nothing ever happened, and now that something's happening you complain?

>>16923939
She's sick and tired of being used all the time and now that she has the power, she's gonna make damn sure it can't happen again. Of course, Kosuzu being Kosuzu, she's still being used even in this paranoid madness.

Though that is a goddamn Kasen speech she gave, ain't it? Yukari better watch her ass, because this one really can bite her in it.

>>16923968
Did Marisa really die? Does the soil in the area surrounding the Hakurei shrine have revitalizing properties?

>>16923972

This feels chuuni as fuck.

All according to the plan

>>16923982
They were joking.

>>16923643
Can Suzy kill servants?

>>16923968
...and just when folks were queuing up to get their stuff back!

I don't want to go to Gensokyo anymore, I just want to save the Suze from all these horrible Youkai and let her live a peaceful life in our world

>>16923982
It could be so.

>>16923968
The whole chapter was full of jokes you can't even take it seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if it's another Yukari's ebin lulz.

>>16923924
Well, looks like Kosuzu is gonna turn into a demigod and try to liberate the human village.
Awesome Yukari, just awesome.

>>16923984
Well, the plot is about brainwashing an innocent kid, if real life cults and other scenarios are a good comparison, brainwashed kids tend to spout chuuni nonsense

>>16924000
It would explain how Reimu can survive in a state of permanent destitution as well as explain the "Reimu is a zombie" meme; she eats the dirt and while technically already dead it keep reviving her.

>>16923973
Who the fuck are you quoting? I've never complained about shit not happening and even if I did you wouldn't be able to tell since we're all anonymous.

I just think this arc is retarded.

I just wanted to see the Suzer get goofed on by mature ladies

What the fuck is Yukari thinking

>>16924071
End of Evangelion only Kosuzu is Rei.

The plot thickens

>>16924082
I wish Kosuzu's boobs would thicken...

What the hell went so wrong?

>>16924078
Is this supposed to be implication that Akyuu is Asuka?

>>16924066
Oh please, lets not pretend we're just here yesterday. Its fucking apparent that you are the one and only super autistic canonfag that argues the same rhetoric everytime. Heck even Zounose now lives rent free in your head since you cant stop thinking about him.

fuck off Zelinko.

>>16924100
Yukari Yakumo.

Not even once.

>>16924104
No. Reimu is the Asuka.

>>16924119
what the fuck are you even talking about, it sounds like whoever you're referring to has space in your head instead. i have no idea who the fuck that is.

Wait, Kosuzu the whole time had a long hair?
My whole life was a lie!

>>16924134
Well, it was worth a shot.
Still, fuck off canonfag

>>16924141
Sorry I don't like this turn of FS I guess. I actually quite liked when "nothing was happening" because the short stories were interesting.

the fuck is canonfag even supposed to mean? FS is canon even if I think Dark Kosuzu Rises is silly. Am I not allowed to like or not like something? If you mean my opinion on Zounose I think he has some good ideas but some pretty dumb ones too like Suwako. I'm utterly baffled by your reaction here.

Whoever this guy is must have really scarred you. Do you mean the guy who gets his panties in a bunch over Byakuren or something?

>they won't turn her into a youkai guys! zun would never allow it!

>>16924162
>Do you mean the guy who gets his panties in a bunch over Byakuren or something?
Never knew why he hated her.

no bells in the hair

i don't want to believe it

Yukari tells Kosuzu that Reimu might punish her for getting too close with youkai and dabbling with youkai magic, then implies she's "going to save her". And then the next time we see Kosuzu she's all hulked out on youma books. The fuck happened? What's the fucking endgame?

>>16924200
>What's the fucking endgame?
Suffering

>>16924183
Byakuren objectively sucks, that's probably why

>>16923968
Marisa is just too damn tough.

>>16924100
Marisa and Akyuu were a little too vague in explaining things to her leading to Kosuzu feeling like they were hiding things and that Akyuu was insulting her. She also never once actually tried to talk to Reimu about anything

Mamizou slammed all of her cards on the table at once to intimidate her for the youma books, then said they were friends, and Aya didn't really do much other than convince her that youkai can be friends and that they're not all bad. But Kosuzu says she can't talk to either of them about what's bothering her since they're youkai

So scared and alone, thinking she can't trust her closest human friends and that the youkai are working in their own self-interest, it's natural she would latch on to the first person who came to her saying she'd listen and help. Unfortunately, it was Yukari.

>>16924071
If you wanna be a villain number one, you have to come up with a master plot.
-The only problem there is that you have to think a lot!

>>16924200
>What's the fucking endgame?
Yukari might've been working in the shadows all throughout Forbidden Scrollery, or at least parts of it.
Remember that man who died when he got possessed? Well, Yukari is known to work through shikigami and has plenty of spies in the town, if he started doing anything she didn't like she could just sic a youkai on him (because most youkai aren't aware of the "don't attack humans" and just naturally avoid destroying the thing due to outside intervention or similar)

Or in other words, Kozusu's outburst might just be Yukari trying to bait Reimu into neutralizing her. She knows too much.

>>16924094
Alas, she died too young to ever fully bloom into a woman, probably Yukari couldn't stand the thought of her childish appeal withering before her eyes, and instead chose to drive her to an untimely death. Poor Kosuzu!

FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE SHRINE MAIDEN IS EVIL

>>16924300
Well then you are lost!

>>16924300
I was thinking that exact same thing with the whole "bring balance to Gensokyo" thing. You were the chosen one, Kosuzu!

>>16924135
She has twintails so you need some hair length


Also what's this "anti-canon" shitposting I'm reading in this thread? Why would a person who likes the canon be upset? This work is canon you know.

So Yukari is pretty much Nyarlathotep at this point.

>>16924319
Just people mad about what's going on in the story.

kuso gap hag

>>16924336
Yukari is Sheev.

>>16924315
>You were the chosen one, Kosuzu!
Don't lecture me, Reimu! I see through the lies of Gensokyo. I do not fear progress as you do. I will bring peace, freedom, technology, and security to my new Village.

>>16924351
Then laugh at SoLfags not canonfags.

>>16924356
She's a hot Sheev.

Ready for this entire plot arc of Forbidden Scrollery to set up Kosuzu as the EX boss of TH16?

>>16924405
I don't think ZUN would use a character with an established backstory that requires you to read a manga as a boss, let alone the EX-boss. At best, she could get her own game a la GFW

>>16924405
The whole "spiriting away" thing this chapter had looks like the plot for 15.5, so whatever smug little cunt Kosuzu summoned will be the boss in my opinion.

>>16924357
"Your" new village?

>>16924417
I want to be the boss of Kosuzu's smug little cunt

>>16924237
You have outdone yourself this time, Yukarin!

>>16924422
Don't make me kill you.

>>16924454
Kozusu, my allegiance is to Gensokyo, to balance!

>>16924462
If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.

>>16924476
Only youkai deal in absolutes. I will do what I must.

>>16924476
You will try.

the humans won't know if you shut it down

>>16923751
I, for one, welcome Grimsokyo.

EXTERMINATE

>>16923968
MK- Level 4 CLEARED: CLEAR BONUS 15000K

Meanwhile, the fairy manga had one of the cutest chapters ever.
I like how Gensokyo is a gray universe and not just enterily happy or grim.

>>16924638
WaHH - The Comfy
FS - The Chilling
VFiS - The Cute

>>16923875
the fuck is up with ZUN's inconsistency?

first he makes Reimu say that the tengu are actually honest and that instead they make mistakes and now Reimu says tengu's words cannot be trusted?

>>16923911
Is this the first time someone's actually gotten bothered by hag comments like in my fanart?

>>16924652
You don't say you can't trust someone to said someone you can't trust

>>16924392
>>16924356
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Usami Renko the Dim? I thought not. It’s not a story the Humans would tell you. It’s a Youkai legend. Renko was a Hifuu, so stupid and with a plot armor so thick she could use her special eyed to influence the stars to... tell her the time. She had such a lack of knowledge that she couldn't even keep the ones she cared about from becoming Youkai and running off into the past.

>>16924675
Yukarin telling stories about her friend!

Oh grow up, Marisa.

>>16924655
One time Reimu called Yukari ''old and crazy'' and Yukari only agreed on the crazy part.

>>16924686
They were literally burying her alive, she deserves to tsukkomi a little

>>16924689
As a joke. It's like Kasen getting flustered over jokes too.

>>16924694
But they dirtied her cute dress!

Mamizou's gonna go scot free isn't she?

>>16924702
Hopefully she gets thrown in a pit full of pig-men youkai in heath, so that Grimsokyo can finally have the rape it was missing

I laughed a lot at the first page, too bad it wasn't what I expected.

Reimu senses cash!

>>16924711
I thought it was Kosuzu's family or something.
Can we have a faced character that isnt a cute girl?

>>16924720
We already have the handsome moustached druggie though

>>16924711
Reimu is properly using her intuition.

>>16924711
This serves as proof REIMU PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY!

>>16924725
And hungry hungry villager

>>16924697

i'd dirty her cute dress

>>16924697

they soiled it

Yukari did nothing wrong

>>16924652
It's Reimu.

>>16924711
She didn't sense it when Yukari donated 2000 yen behind her back in the fairies manga.

>>16924747
Sounds more like bad, inconsistent writing by a drunk man who can't remember what he had for breakfast yesterday.

>>16924655
I think I remember a lot of shade being thrown at Mamizou for her age, smell, and other things in her extra stage.

>>16924752
I dunno, Reimu literally blames everyone until she finds the person actually to blame.

This is how she's ALWAYS been. She'll even fight friends like Marisa because "welp, must've been you I guess"

>>16924730
That guy was the shit.
>Hunger God debilitates Reimu herself
>this guy shits on the Hunger God, climbs all the way to the Hakurei shrine anyway
>enjoys the solitary attention of fairies, Kappa, Reimu and her friends
>then he helps to get rid of the Hunger God
>helps to promote the second Hakurei festival in the village
>attends the second festival because he's still hungry
>all of that for just a cup of water
I'm quoting his stellar profile.

>>16924725
Doesn't the fortune teller also kind of count? At least as a jinyou (and with less detail as a human)

>>16924758
>I dunno, Reimu literally blames everyone until she finds the person actually to blame.
>This is how she's ALWAYS been
No? That only happened in the fighting games, and everyone else was also being suspicious of each other and fighting for little reason. It's for the sake of having a fighting game, the usual dumb reasons, they fight when they so much as greet each other, even Sakuya fights her mistress Remiliaa.

Notice how she doesn't accuse Marisa in this chapter?

Also what does that have to do with ZUN's inconsistency in making Reimu seemingly think that tengu are honest and later on say they're dishonest?

>>16924767
>That only happened in the fighting games
What is Imperishable Night?

>>16924405
16 is supposed to be very normal.

>>16924769
A game where she got attacked by either hostile youkai or people accusing her. Unless you're talking about the Marisa and Sakuya scenario where the roles are reversed and now Marisa's the sane one and Reimu's the accuser, for the sake of making the protags fight. You don't see this happening anywhere they don't fight each other.

>>16924785
My point is that during an incident or trouble Reimu has a history of ignoring everything and blaming whoever's in front of her for whatever happened.

She even did this recently in WaHH. She blamed Yukari for something when it wasn't her fault at all.

>>16924789
But she doesn't, that's why she doesn't accuse Marisa in the manga and they go solving incidents together.

Also seriously? Yukari herself told her she's the culprit (even though it was a lie), don't try to pretend that didn't happen.

Again, what does this have to do with the fact that ZUN made her say that tengu are honest and then have her say that they're dishonest later on? None of this would have been an issue if the former never happened because that's a tremendous lie, the tengu are dishonest as hell.

>>16924797
>But she doesn't
I give you examples of her doing so, you say she doesn't. I see this is pointless.

>>16924799
And I'm telling you this only happens in games where she fights the other playable characters, where EVERYONE fights each other for dumb reasons, even sometimes just for a greeting.

This doesn't happen regularly in the (more) sane world of the manga. The Yukari example you mentioned is something Yukari herself told Reimu about.

Are you just gonna keep ignoring the ZUN part, the whole point of this argument?

>>16924776
That's the twist.

>>16924804
I addressed it saying Reimu ignores the past in favor of distrusting the present.

Which you said she doesn't so, who cares? This isn't an argument at this point.

>>16923672
The parents and village still think she's missing so they can just say she was eaten or something.

>>16924810
>ignores the past
More like ZUN forgot about what he writes. I mean, the very thought of anyone, much less REIMU saying that the tengu are honest is baffling. That completely contradicts ZUN's writing which showed that the tengu are dishonest journalists who will both fabricate and exaggerate stories.

>>16924818
Aight.

>>16924799
>I give you examples of her doing so
one example tho, which was addressed and pointed out as something that wasn't an actual example because the ''culprit'' admits guilt.

>>16924843
Two examples, and you have the fighting games as a whole which were dismissed.

Here's a third, even: a recent chapter of FS where Reimu thinks the tengu kidnapped Kosuzu. She was only half wrong on that, they just protected her from a storm.

So I gave examples but no, they just don't count.

I see. That makes sense!

>>16924850
oh and for the hell of it: any time anything happens in the manga series Reimu goes around sniffing out who could be responsible even if the reasoning is thin

>>16924850
TD also starts with the protagonists directly going to Yuyuko as first suspect

>>16924850
>Two examples, and you have the fighting games as a whole which were dismissed.
that was pointed out as situations where all characters fight for dumb reasons for the sake of a fighting game, unless you want to say that all characters just so happen to be forgetful people who accuse each other.

>Here's a third, even: a recent chapter of FS where Reimu thinks the tengu kidnapped Kosuzu.
first you say the Yukari example not knowing that Yukari told Reimu she's the culprit even though she isn't and now you mention this one where the gods themselves told Reimu the tengu did it (which has nothing to do with her just accusing anyone she sees for no reason)?

come on man.

why are you ignoring the fact that your examples have been addressed?
>>16924858
when?
>>16924863
yes, that's reasoning, not just ''happen to find someone and accuse her of it because she's there''.

>>16924858
>>16924865
>when?
for instance

I don't recall anything about the gods. Must've remembered wrong.

>come on man
Calm down, dude. Why do you even care so much?

>>16924785
What is PoFV?
Out of the nine main games, she's been suspicious of random people in three. That's enough to treat it as a characteristic trait.

>>16924872
>for instance
Oh that's pushing it, all she did was ask something, that's the very same chapter where the fairies start imitating her poses as some kind of fangirl group even.
>I don't recall anything about the gods
Indeed she does call the gods, that's the whole reason she went for the tengu straight away.
>Calm down, dude. Why do you even care so much?
?
I'm just pointing out how you keep getting your examples wrong.
>>16924883
That's also a game where player characters fight each other for dumb reasons and then never act that way outside of those games again. Otherwise Reimu would attack Marisa everytime they go solve an incident in the manga and not, you know, high five each other after solving it together.

>>16924892
>how you keep getting your examples wrong.
That's not what wrong means.

Wrong would be saying these examples don't exist at all but they do. So, eh, whatever.

>>16924899
>Wrong would be saying these examples don't exist at all but they do.
No? They're wrong because they're not examples of ''reimu went after someone for no reason''. One was Yukari telling Reimu she's the culprit herself and the other one was the gods telling Reimu the tengu did it.

>>16924901
Yes. You've got examples and you dismiss them saying they don't count. So I'm kinda just like "well okay".

both you faggots better be trolling and not actually this retarded

>>16924902
The hell? Are you just gonna keep ignoring the reasons I'm pointing out those scenarios aren't examples of your point?

>>16924901
>>16924902
Mind you she's gone after people like Byakuren, Sakuya, even Sanae for very thin reasoning. Marisa does not exhibit this behavior, mind you.

>>16924904
Don't know what you mean.

>>16924905

>>16924892
You're really treating Reimu and Marisa as non-dynamic, two-dimensional characters here, which they aren't. One moment they'll shittalk each other, the other they'll sip tea on the front porch and call the other a dork.

>That's also a game where player characters fight each other for dumb reasons and then never act that way outside of those games again.

Explain. None of the dialogue in that game was ever retconned, the characters don't act particularly OOC, I don't see why you're treating PoFV, IN and DDC which I wanted to quote, along with the fighter games as unreliable sources of character interactions.

fucking stop, ok


how about we focus on what this shit is going to do to th15.5

>>16924926
It probably won't have anything to do with it.

I don't see how anyone sees a connection. The Perfect Possession incident has little in common with this. Furthermore ZUN would have to be quite the jerk to split up the manga's story at this crucial a time. He did with WaHH but ultimately nothing actually came of Kasen's actions in ULiL. Nothing serious anyway. This arc is, like, end of series kinda stuff.

>>16924906
>Mind you she's gone after people like Byakuren, Sakuya, even Sanae for very thin reasoning
when?
>Marisa does not exhibit this behavior, mind you.
Yes she does?
>>16924914
>You're really treating Reimu and Marisa as non-dynamic, two-dimensional characters here, which they aren't. One moment they'll shittalk each other, the other they'll sip tea on the front porch and call the other a dork.
I'm saying their, and everyone else's, actions in the fighting games don't happen outside of those, where they fight even as a greeting.
>Explain
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View/Story/Marisa%27s_Scenario
Marisa fights Cirno just cause she feels cold, for example. But look at the later fights like the one with Lyrica, do you see any actual reason for her fights? They're casually talking and then the next thing they're shooting at each other.

take it easy jaypee

read http://bato.to/reader#66601c32eccef211 and member happy time

>>16924938
>when?
I forget why she went after Byakuren but I think it might've had to do with something in FS.

Sakuya was in WaHH. She thought Sakuya was kidnapping people.

Sanae was in FS. She thought her shrine was responsible for an increase in tthe number of snakes.

>Yes she does?
She doesn't. In all those examples Marisa didn't go after those people. Hell, in Sanae's case she was just eating rice crackers at the same table while Reimu interrogated Sanae.

>>16924939
I'm male and as such I prefer things that are grimdark and edgy over such nonsense.

>>16924944
>Sakuya was in WaHH. She thought Sakuya was kidnapping people.
>
>Sanae was in FS. She thought her shrine was responsible for an increase in tthe number of snakes.
Yes, those are reasonings, not, again, ''attack someone just cause she's in front of her'', just like everyone going for Yuyuko in TD.
>She doesn't.
She does, look at TD.

>>16924949
>those are reasonings
Bad ones which was my point. My point being she's impulsive. Almost like she's a character who only follows her intuition or something.

>>16924946
What about strawberry ice cream

take it fucking easy, you retards!!!

>>16924954
I hate strawberries and I also hate ice cream.

>>16924963
manly as HECK ! ! !

>>16924952
Your point was that she attacks people just because they're in front of her and that this had *always* been a trait of her. Her being wrong is one thing, but her not having a reason for something is another.

Also this isn't even the main point remember? It was ZUN being inconsistent. The very fact that Reimu would ever call the tengu trustable is the most baffling thing, how does that make any sense for anyone, let alone HER to say?

>>16923475
With fifty chapters under it's belt I think this manga 'might' just be Zun's Magnum Opus in terms of written length (to date)?

>>16924963
youkai scum detected

>>16924970
>The very fact that Reimu would ever call the tengu trustable is the most baffling thing, how does that make any sense for anyone, let alone HER to say?
You're kind of ignoring the context here. If I remember right that was around the newspaper being introduced to Suzunaan. In that specific context due to rules and balance and various other things the tengu could be trusted. At least that's how I recall it. It's been a while.

>>16924968
Every morning before I post on the jay I do a bunch of push-ups to keep myself as manly of an otaku as possible.
>>16924975
I'm not a Youkai.

>>16924976
She's telling this to Marisa.

In that case it's an inconsistency.

What did she mean by that?

>>16924992
>>16924999

>>16925003
wanting paizuri is in a /jp/sie's blood

>>16925003
IT'S JUST A PRANK SIS

>>16924990
That's what a Youkai would say, Youkai!

>>16925012
Youkai can't have tulpas.

>>16925003
Someone is going to get exterminated.

>>16924992
Seems like it might be better rendered as, "No, that wasn't a lie" or something of the sort. What with Reimu getting pissed that Aya's flapping her gums about shit humans need to stay In the dark about and all.

>>16925046
>Seems like it might be better rendered as, "No, that wasn't a lie" or something of the sort.
No, heck the next page is her explaining how the Tengu don't lie.

>>16923475
No.

>>16924776
Doesn't ZUN lie about the plot a lot before release? I remember somebody making comments about how Reisen's story in ULiL was supposed to scar her for life or some shit but then it turned out to be really tame.

Youkai Kosuzu in th15.5 confirmed

>>16925184
well she passed the audition by defeating Marissa, that's usually how it ends up.

>>16925158
Sometimes, not always. He does like to troll. LoLK starts with just Lunarians and ends up not being a real invasion, PCB had Alice added in LITERALLY just to throw people off.

>>16925158
no, where did you get that from?

the only thing I can remember is people saying that TH15 was gonna be super grimdark and in the end the final boss has a tea party with eirin and the heroine yet again.

>>16923654
the whole manga has shown how extremely concerned for Kosuzu Reimu is, far more than she is with anyone else, even Marisa, alongside showing how Reimu is willing to kill jinyous, in other words it's pretty clear what internal conflict ZUN is setting up here.

>>16925233
I think a cool endgame for this would be Reimu determining to kill Kosuzu and others trying to stop her while simultaneously saving Kosuzu.

But, I think the more likely scenario is "saving" Kosuzu from that scroll.

>>16925233
I'd probably say that Reimu wouldn't kill kosuzu if kosuzu does go full youkai from this, as its a different enough situation from fortune teller she could justify it- Kosuzu had gone missing from village for a bit beforehand, and her transformation won't have happened in full view of everyone. kosuzus motives for doing this are also way different from those of fortune teller- from last chapter, she didn't really have much against youkai, but she's thinking that the humans don't have any power in the relationship, which she wants to change. As opposed to "death is for suckers". That and how a lot of what's happening will be becauseyukari pushing kosuzu a bit, so reimu might vent some anger on her as well once it comes out.

So outcomes of this are most likely going to be either the suuz is full youkai, gets beaten up but not killed by reimu, now has to learn how to deal with being a youkai, or she's not full youkai, so gets stopped / saved from scroll, and gets a more proper explanation once she apologises. Possibly with her not being a fully normal human anymore, as she's already half cursed from all the youma books, and now that she's actually full on channelling their power, I don't think she'll be able to go back to how she was before.

Question: Does Reimu by default possess High Ground?

>>16925300
Kosuzu is having a shitton of death flags like ''using a dark forbidden power'' and ''thinking her closest friends are actually in a conspiracy against her''. Things do not look well for Kosuzu.

>side text
What if all of it is a dream?
(bato.to is down currently)

>>16925319
NO

>>16925313
We all know what happens when someone thinks that, do we?

where do i download every official manga and print work

I'm going to keep mating pressing Dark Kosuzu till she's pure white again!!

>>16925319
I will buy Zun 2 beers

>>16925328
God meguca is one options

>>16924417
So the strongest duo is Kosuzu and Yukari? Would make sense why Reimu and Marisa would have to partner up.

>>16925313
God that's like Reimu's in orbit considering how much High Ground she has

But was Kosuzu a Good Friend?

>>16925363
I'm starting doubt if Kosuzu's gonna survive this manga.

>>16925003
Foreshadowing?

Kosuzu has a good chance to die, but at the end of the day she's still a cute little girl and I highly doubt ZUN will kill her off.

How did seemingly everyone predict years ago near when the manga began that Kosuzu would go bad?

Reminder that Alice was a human once and she is alive.
>>16925400
Which part of "Forbidden Scrollery" you do not understand?

Alice lived in Makai

Before you mention Byakuren, she lived in another era

>>16925400
Partly the title and the thought of evil youkai books awakening a power in Kosuzu. But the thoughts that things would turn really bad didn't hit high gear until Reimu offed the Fortune Teller.

>>16925425
>>16925410
Ah that explains why Kasen has more nsfw-to-sfw ratio than any other Touhou character on Pixiv. Cause her manga is called Wild and Horny Hermit.

>>16925432
Inran Pink is truly a thing.

>>16925410
Title always made me think of this

>>16925278
Isn't she a bigger threat than the fortune teller since she's actually plotting something and thinks of her friends as enemies now?

>>16925410
>Reminder that Alice was a human once
Sure, but she's not from the human village. Depending on which origin you follow, she's either an outsider, or was somehow born in Makai (or, at the very least, traveled there after becoming a magician.)

>>16925469
That alone makes it okay in their book? Odd but hey, I'm no expert on traditions.

>>16925474
The main issue is that the human village needs to stay human so youkai can feed of their belief. No human village = youkai Holocaust, so that's why all of the attention is focused there. Also why no one gives a shit what outsiders are doing.

>>16925483
I know that, which is why I assumed that jinyous are killed off so that humans don't get any ideas about wanting to become youkai, can't Alice just visit the village and flaunt her ex-human ass in front of everybody?

>>16925487
She knows better

>>16925487
Oh but who's gonna want to follow the path of the loner, loser dweeb?

I just reread the last few chapters and I think I'm misunderstanding something or missing something.

Why arn't the humans and youkai allies? Neither can really harm the other and both work together. Outside of some of the more wild youkai eating humans the rest of them work with the village. The youkai can't attack anyone in the village both because of Reimu and it's their lifeline, and the humans can't really attack the youkai because they don't have the sheer strength except for Kosuzu or if someone starting becoming a magician. Youkai also go to the village and shop anyway and the tengu and kappa are friendly and do stuff for them.
So with this in mind why arn't the youkai and the village allies? Feel free to call me retarded I don't know what I'm missing.

>>16925500
You are missing the fact that youkai need the humans to fear them in order to exist

>>16925500
they are allies, hence them coming to a ''peace'' agreement with the spellcard rules which lets even a weakling fight and beat a strong youkai.

thing is, youkai need human fear to exist, so the elders indoctrinate the villagers as such.

>>16925506
but the youkai can't do anything to the village to make them fear youkai and most likely never have. So when the youkai do nothing to the village wouldn't people realize that?
>>16925509
how many generations of elders does it take until one of them realizes that the youkai have never attacked the village and never will?

>>16925487
>can't Alice just visit the village and flaunt her ex-human ass in front of everybody?

She could, but the only reason she's alive is because she doesn't. Fortune Teller was offed immediately because he was a part of the very human village that everybody wants control of.

>>16925522
>but the youkai can't do anything to the village to make them fear youkai and most likely never have
but they do? nearly every manga chapter has to do with some japanese folklore thing creating an incident and often scaring people, sometimes that incident involves someone dying.

coming out of the village at night is also considered dangerous as shown by IN where Keine paranoically thinks the heroine, who's coming from outside, is a youkai in disguise who wants to rape and eat all the poor chilluns.

>>16925540
>nearly every manga chapter has to do with some japanese folklore thing creating an incident and often scaring people, sometimes that incident involves someone dying.
not to mention of course the games, where it's usually a youkai creating an incident.

>>16925540
but it's merely scaring there's nothing major that would ever happen apart from maybe a few people a year dying because of it. And if anyone was killed a spellcard battle doesn't seem sufficient punishment from Reimu to stop them. Even then the youkai wouldn't attack the village because it's their lifeline. And if something actually did happen that threatened the village that would cause them panic then what? Spellcard battle and that's it or would Reimu just murder them.
>>16925551
but it's nothing that would harm the village since if it was the other youkai would also step in to protect it.

>>16925557
>but it's merely scaring
you just said in the previous post that the youkai can't do anything to make the villagers fear them.

they are scaring them constantly, including some people getting hurt/dying, that's good enough, even though the actual purpose of the incident instigators is always something different and on a bigger scale than that.

>>16925568
by fear them I meant kill people in the village regularly. Make them fear from their lives not just have spooky ghosts around.
>even though the actual purpose of the incident instigators is always something different and on a bigger scale than that
so youkai can just kill villagers with no repercussions?

>>16925582
Newsflash: most youkai are literally just spooky ghosts

>>16925582
>by fear them I meant kill people in the village regularly
why can't you scare people without killing them?

also like I said people do get hurt and die from their mischief from time to time, not to mention it's mostly the past and traditions that cause fear in the villagers, hence the rule of not going out of the village at night, especially during a full moon where youkai are in heat.
>so youkai can just kill villagers with no repercussions?
no? why would you think that?

>>16925599
>the past and traditions
I think that's the point. Weren't japanese from old super scared of fears based in traditions?

>>16925487
It's different. Alice was human, but she wasn't one of the human village humans before turning. There's a big difference between knowing that humans can become youkai, and seeing your neighbor become a youkai and suddenly start living a better life. Alice's existence as an outsider does not give human villagers the desire to turn, but one of their own number turning could.

>>16925617
yes and not only does that fear still exist today but the things that caused said traditions to exist still happen, like incidents.

>>16925599
>why can't you scare people without killing them?
because they'd get used to the ghosts after a while and not be scared of them because they know they're not gonna kill them.
>why would you think that?
well apparently killings happen so often that people are still scared of being killed in the streets by youkai but the shrine meido doesn't do anything to stop the killings from happening since they continue to this day. There arn't an endless amount of youkai that would go to the village and kill/maim someone. By now Reimu would've exterminated all the ones that could've been such a threat so the rest of them either don't kill in fear of being killed by Reimu or kill and get away with it.

>>16925620
I don't see why, especially since Alice became immortal, that's a pretty attractive feature regardless of where you come from.

>>16925624
People are scared of thousands of things that cannot kill them, like the dark or sudden noises

>>16925635
but seeing youkai at night every night of your life you stop going "OH FUCK YOUKAI" and you think "Oh it's the youkai again"

>>16925500
Youkai, by their very nature, must be humanity's enemy to continue existing. Even if this ironically results in their aiding humans.

>>16925645
so then they stop being humanity's enemy

>>16925629
Alice having been human is an obscure fact for the average villager.
The average villager might know that in the Forest of Magic where you're not supposed to go, there is a witch who offers a bed for the night, who knows for what purpose, might use you for magic experiments, resources, takes your eyes for her dolls.
That is so inherently scary that the origin of the witch is no longer an issue.

>>16925650
if akyu can find out why couldn't someone else?

>>16925656
Same reason people don't read Akyu's serious books.

>>16925624
>because they'd get used to the ghosts after a while and not be scared of them because they know they're not gonna kill them.
but like I've told you multiple times, they do hurt and kill them from time to time.

also what are you saying, that a supposedly haunted house can't scare you if you go there at night and see something that looks like a ghost even though you don't get hurt? you'd shit your pants and never go there again even if there are no ghosts. especially since the incidents are numerous and varied, you can't get used to them, not to mention as said before they can hurt and kill people so people will always be fearful of them.

>well apparently killings happen so often that people are still scared of being killed in the streets by youkai but the shrine meido doesn't do anything to stop the killings from happening since they continue to this day.
you can't kill all the youkai in the world, a new youkai could be born at any moment because of something like a woman who was just horribly murdered by her husband turning into a ghost who then will enact her wrath on the innocent, there's thousands of youkai types, one for nearly each chapter.

sometimes the threat doesn't even come from a youkai but something that just happens like when Reimu's shrine caught fire because of a legend.

>>16925644
Like the saying goes: around spooks never tell jokes.

Just because the homeless guy outside k-mart doesn't stab you when you pass him during the afternoon doesn't mean it is healthy to trust him after nightfall.

>>16925650
>Alice having been human is an obscure fact for the average villager.
But people can find out by simply taking a glance at Akyuu's books, she even writes that becoming a magician youkai will make you immortal.

>>16925629
Again, because she wasn't one of them. To the villagers, what she did is unobtainable, not to mention a scary thing to consider. But if one of their own do the same thing and get off scot free? Suddenly it becomes a far more realizable thing, and the stigma starts to go away.
Of course, that's not to say that upstarts who want to turn won't exist, such as the fortune teller, but they're likely to pursue such a goal whether or not Alice exists.

>>16925676
I think the existence of the fortune teller alone is proof that villagers do get interested in becoming a youkai, who knows how many of them want to for the sake of immortality but don't have the will or learned the means to do it yet.

>>16925629
>>16925487
>>16925410
>>16925629
Alice is a fucking magician. Even if all the villagers try her way, it's not like they will fucking learn to abandon food instantly. It's not like they will even fucking succeed.

I never really understood why people offer this point. Same with the Taoists and hermits. Those professions are not fucking easy. They need time, drive and a shit load of efforts.

>>16925646
Not really. You're making the assumption that youkai respect humans, or consider them to be on the same level. It's like calling humans the allies of cows. True, in a way, but we don't raise cattle because we care about them or want to be their allies.

>>16925675
But no one reads Akyuu's books, because they are boring, and I don't think many villagers can read in the first place

Seriously though, are we going to be able to keep these villagers under our thumb? If this gets out of control we're going to be in some deep shit. No more youkai, no more gods, no more magic, no more flying, no more fun. We'd have to go to the outside world and, ugh, work.

>>16925684
The fortune teller did it, that means villagers can have interest in becoming a youkai.

Also this is for the sake of becoming IMMORTAL, I'd say that warrants people being interested in doing that effort.
>>16925691
That's a cheap copout, even if nobody read them, why is Akyuu writing about it then if that could interest someone in becoming a youkai? Maybe even do it outside the village so that they don't get shrine maiden'd?

>>16925687
yeah but they arn't the only food source unlike the human village in gensokyo where the youkai are forced to look after them because without them they have nothing. If you only had one food source you'd probably treat it better.

Who, or what, is inside the scroll?

>>16925681
I just addressed that you dope. There are obviously always going to be humans who seek to turn for power or long life, but the stigma against such acts and the potential consquences keep most of those people in line. It takes a special kind of human villager, one who doesn't care about rules or stigmas, to continue to seek youkaihood. And as long as those rare few are killed, the stigma will remain and the general population of the human village will not seek such things.

>>16925703
See Mizuryu Kei take on that outcome.

>>16925713
None of what you say contradicts my point.

>>16925551
>incidents caused by youkai
Then there's usually Reimu fixing the incidents.

Wouldn't there be a big problem if the villagers start having hope and courage because of a distant miko fixing problems?
Is that's why Yukari somehow manipulates events to make the villagers distrust her?

>>16925730
Boring orgies that are impossible to follow and Japanese war crimes denial?

>>16925725
Obviously most people are never gonna do it, but the issue is the fact that there's still some that do, and there isn't really an effort to stop that, in fact, there's encouragement from Akyuu as she details juicy perks of becoming a youkai like immortality.

The strangest part is that she never mentions the fact that Reimu's gonna hunt your ass down if you do so. That alone would clear up this whole issue.

It's like if a doctor told you how good heroin feels but then didn't tell you about the consequences.

>>16925713
Yeah you said the youkai don't respect the village at all and I'm saying they do and are in fact forced to. They then help out the village and effectively cease being their enemy.

>>16925739
Yeah. Do you know something with a good take on what would happen were Gensokyo to lost its balance?

>>16925734
That's like saying you have nothing to fear because your city has a police station.

Obviously something has to happen first for her to act, the shrine maiden isn't your bodyguard protecting you at all times. As the manga shows, incidents are always happening and the shrine maiden only attends to them after she finds out.

>>16925751
No

>>16925663
so basically the people are afraid of the younger or weaker youkai that don't know you're not supposed to kill humans in the village (like the snake guy) but the older and more powerful youkai won't do shit? In that case why not ally the village with the powerful youkai?

>>16925708
Immortality was the goal of two specific people, the fortune teller and Byakuren. And in the end, they were shown to be WRONG. Fortune Teller literally died. Byakuren still had to stave off death with black magic and aiding youkai belief.
And in this case, Kosuzu's reasons have nothing to do with immortality or death at all. It's a tempting thought, but there are plenty of other reasons to abandon humanity, many of them even more valid. You're the one obsessed with death here, old boy.

>>16925763
dude, the villagers fear youkai in general, even Byakuren who's a saggy titted hag and not really a threat is still feared by people as shown in SoPM where villagers complained about her presence in akyuu's building.

>>16925789
this goes back to my original point of why do they fear them in general if the powerful ones don't hurt them but actually help them quite a bit

>>16925780
Are you even arguing with me right now or is this just a sidenote you liked to add?

>>16925763
Because you suppose to fear youkai idiot, not allying with them.
Oh shit your that canonfag. Hows this Zounose-seasoned chapter felt for your heart, bruh?

>>16925708
I never said there aren’t any interests. "Jinyou" way isn't the same is the hard and possibly clean way like magicians, Taoists or hermits which clearly has a good chance of not succeeding even if one tried their hardest.

Also nobody is stopping them from going Marisa-ish way. Just fucking stop bothering your neighbors with suspicious activities and leave the village before becoming whatever they wanted.

>>16925810
I have literally no idea what Zounose is.

>suppose to fear youkai
why tho since they help out and don't do harm apart from the weak ones that kill people sometimes

>>16925807
they fear them in general because of everything I've told you, they cause incidents, they are freaks, monsters that could harm you.

this has nothing to do with power, if you're a youkai, people fear you, period, it's not like they can tell how powerful you are at a simple glance.

and powerful ones can hurt them as shown by the fact that nearly all incidents in the games are caused by powerful youkai.

>>16925818
I think I get it now

>>16924926
Nothing. We're getting AoCF in a couple weeks, aren't we?

>>16925810
What's the deal with Zounose?

>>16925816
They dont know that. All of the maintaining stuffs were done behind the back. The villager lives with the understadning that if a supposedly weak youkai kills humans for sustenance, imagine what the strong one are capable of doing.

All of your arguments boiled down to you being this all knowing fan that somehow expect the characters to know as much as you do.

>>16925809
Just consider it a reminder to check your biases. You do have the point that some weirdos may attempt to turn despite the social programming, but every time I see you bring it up it's always about immortality or death. We have multiple people who became youkai for other reasons. Like Ichirin, Alice, and now Kosuzu. So please, try to keep an open mind.

>>16925832
SoLfags and canonfag cant stand even an single drop of blood in a fanon doujin that didnt have any connection whatsoever with their own fanon doujin where everyone opened a cafe and grow cat ears and some shit.

>>16925814
A jinyou is a human who becomes a youkai, so Alice is a jinyou as well. The fortune teller found out a way to become a youkai that wasn't the magician one, in other words there's multiple ways of becoming one and the knowledge to do so is avaible to villagers in some form. There's no effort to encourage people not to become one, like say, mentioning that the shrine maiden is gonna kill your ass if you do it. It's so vague and weird that there's such a critical rule to know yet there's nothing done about it.

Marisa isn't becoming a youkai, she's just interested in magic, much like Yumemi. There's no juicy immortality involved.

>>16925859
Why? It's just a doujin. I even laughed with the recent Banki one.

>>16925852
I'm just using the immortality as an example of emphasis for my point, because it's something that would apply to the everyman and not specific cases like Kosuzu. Not to mention it is backed up by actual cases like Byakuren and the fortune teller.

>>16925867
Suzy's motivation is just as applicable to the masses, since boiled down to a single word, it's "freedom."

>>16925860
>this whole argument again
Are you that type of person that argues when stopped by the police and spergs out when he asks for your papers or someshit? Because you sounded exactly like one.

Have sex and go outside for once. The world requires you to have a sense of rational thinking, you know? Like, you do know that if fire produce heat, you know that touching them would give you even more heat, and even might burn your hand?

>>16925886
It's someone who thinks her friends are against her and who was manipulated by youkai to come to that decision, like Yukari, this is not something applicable to the masses. Especially compared to immortality.

>>16925891
You okay there, dude? Don't treat this so seriously, it's bad for you.

What if suzy tells the village about all of this?

>>16925901
Im just saying this for your own good man.
Please light up a candle, and put your hand around it. What do you feel? Is it heat? Now try to touch it. Does it hurt? Do you burn your hand? Do you understand the law about cause and effect now?
Because I dont want to have this same argument again, wit the same person again, with the same rhetoric again, everytime a new FS chapter was dropped, about how there is literally nothing discouraging the villager to not become a youkai when the main character of the series is a duo of youkai exterminating girls, and the village is repeatedly expecting them to enforce that rule.

>>16925866
Because autism

>>16925932
Hey man, I'm just discussing lore about some bug eyed asian girl drawings, why you gotta bring in personal attacks here? Stop treating this so seriously already.

>about how there is literally nothing discouraging the villager to not become a youkai when the main character of the series is a duo of youkai exterminating girls, and the village is repeatedly expecting them to enforce that rule.
Clearly not considering the fortune teller not only went through with it and expected to be safe in front of the shrine maiden. He even pointed out how Reimu is known as the youkai shrine maiden because she's such friends with youkai and doesn't kill them. Akyuu herself says that Reimu's ''extermination'' isn't an actual extermination but rather just some danmaku treatment up the rear that doesn't end in death, so why would he fear her if Akyuu didn't tell him that his case is a special one where Reimu is going to legit kill him?

THIS IS IT FOLKS, THE RACE WAR IS HAPPENING.
Someone get Sanae and Miko and let's get this shit started!

>>16925907
This happens to her on her way to the village.

>>16925969
what if she's on her way to the village right now and gets there before Reimu?

>>16925963
>RACE WAR
>HABBENING
kys
or
>>>/pol/

>>16925979
"Oh I don't KILL youkai. Whatever gave you that idea? Want to go for a walk with me?"

>>16925060
>>16924992

Probably because she will never admit that she believes in that to the Tengu. If she said that to them she'd lose face and they would just manipulate her, so she has to act suspicious.

Hell, to prove my point she even got more information out of Aya by doing that, which may have been her goal all along.

>>16925979
"Dont belief her! Its a youkai pretending to be Kosuzu!"
then Mamizou came in Kosuzu's disguise
"Exterminate that impostor Reimu-san! Please!"

Also, when the original one appears with an unusual hair, a scary looking scroll, and probably floating, I think nobody is going to buy her radical theories.

Holy fuck, do we have to argue about consistency every fucking FS thread?

>>16926017
>Probably because she will never admit that she believes in that to the Tengu.
That doesn't make sense, if she believed them then she wouldn't have asked for Aya to speak more and just trusted her right away. In fact that scene alone would dispel Reimu's trust of the tengu, not that it shouldn't be destroyed already by the commonly known fact about the tengu being dishonest, lying and exaggerating in their articles, as well as that time the gods told Reimu that the tengu took Kosuzu away and them claiming they didn't (they did).

Hell, one of the recent CoLA chapters is Aya trying to take picture of Reimu doing something embarassing and making shit up about it as a headline, though this doesn't seem to be serious, either way Reimu reacts angrility to it.

>>16926044

Believing that the Tengu don't lie and being allied with them are two different things. If she openly shows trust to them other Youkai might get stingy or, again, she might come across as naive and weak.

>>16925981
Youkai scum like you are going to be eliminated once the humans realise Youkai all are literal parasites. Apart from Kogasa. Shes a cute.

>>16925400
It's obvious from chapter 1. It's obvious from the title.

>>16926051
Like I said, pretty much all interactions she's had with them are proof that the tengu are dishonest, it doesn't make sense for Reimu to believe they don't lie, because they do, and everyone knows it, ESPECIALLY her, who's one of their biggest ''victims''.

Honestly all FS has done is made Reimu look like an asshole, the human village look like a bunch of spineless retards and the Youkai look like a bunch of murderous conniving fucks with the only justification being 'it's ok because they're Youkai'.

>>16926076

Maybe she meant more as "the don't hide their intentions?" It can also mean that if they spread blatant lies in their articles then they reputation as know it all will falter.

I agree that Reimu already knows the Tengu manipulates, so that line for Marisa must mean something else. Hard to say without the original text.

>>16926108
>Honestly all FS has done is made Reimu look like an asshole
As opposed to the saint that she is everywhere else?

>>16925746
There's a reason why most youkai (Kasen didn't until Yukari told her) don't really know about the "don't attack humans" thing, other then maybe Remilia.

>>16926113
I think you're trying way too hard to argue against the fact that ZUN messed up, plain and simple, otherwise we might as well not trust anything because the translation might be faulty.

ZUN's a human, dude, he can make mistakes, just leave it at that.

>>16926113
>Maybe she meant more as "the don't hide their intentions?"
Considering she said that they don't lie AND anything you might see as wrong is just an honest mistake on their part, no.

>>16926120
To elaborate on this, Yukari specifically tells Kasen that she doesn't tell that to anyone BUT her. If the youkai specifically avoided harming humans in the village then what would be the point? She'd also lose her ability to use lesser youkai as her police force, why do you think that one guy got possessed and died? She has spies everywhere and he was probably up to something bad behind everyones back (or realizing the truth), most likely why he was noted as being a 'nice guy'

>>16926121

And just like every FS thread I think posters like you are trying too hard to find inconsistencies. Why even bring this up at all then if you are not willing to consider other options?

If Touhou lore is so shit because it lacks consistencies then just stop reading it, there is better stuff out there.

>>16926141
I'm not trying hard at all, even the guy I was originally talking with agreed it was an inconsistency after I posted the page. You're the one desperately trying to defend ZUN by claiming the translation must be inaccurate or previously that Reimu's just pretending to not trust them to save face, who's the more sane one here? I'm going for the common sense option, hell it doesn't even make sense that Reimu would even defend them at all or go against Marisa's claim that they are not to be trusted, especially since it's not even a newspaper line they're talking about but rather a direct conversation Aya had with Marisa.
>If Touhou lore is so shit because it lacks consistencies then just stop reading it, there is better stuff out there.
I post an inconsistency and you claim that I think Touhou lore is shit? Stop being so bothered by the fact that someone pointed out a flaw, it's not the end of the world.

Hold me, Anons. What happened to this sweet child in the days she went missing?

>>16926176
she discovered the fun of becoming a youkai

>>16926176
She met with the wrong people. Bad influences for the youth.

>>16926165

I never claimed there was no inconsistency. I said it was hard to say without the original text because, truly, I do believe there might be an angle there since language can be confusing. ZUN made mistakes plenty of times, but I'm not dissing all options and just presuming that they are mistakes just yet, feels lazy. And every fucking thread we have this conversation of pointing out places where ZUN might have fucked up, it's tiring.

Anyway I'm dropping this conversation, maybe you're right and I am getting too riddled up about trivial matters.

>>16926176
"She" is obviously Yukari, yes?

>>16926218
I think the implication in this chapter is that "she" is actually the youkai in the scroll.

>>16926176
gap hag

>>16926218
Well, they did hypothesize that she LEFT Gensokyo, so maybe.

>>16926108
> the human village look like a bunch of spineless retards and the Youkai look like a bunch of murderous conniving fucks with the only justification being 'it's ok because they're Youkai'.

But that's literally what Gensokyo was all about from day one, a zoo of retarded humans for youkai

>>16926210
>I never claimed there was no inconsistency.
But you kept offering options as to what Reimu might have really meant even though, as I said, it doesn't even make sense in the first place that Reimu would defend or go against Marisa's claim that they're not to be trusted. She of all people should agree right away.
>And every fucking thread we have this conversation of pointing out places where ZUN might have fucked up, it's tiring.
Then why participate in them if it tires you so much? If someone finds out an inconsistency, they are going to point it out and maybe even find an explanation, maybe I had missed some detail, maybe I forgot that that part was actually dream scene or whatever. But a mistranslation for ALL that dialogue? The moment I consider that option is also the moment I stop trusting everything I know about Touhou, because the same point could apply everywhere.

>>16926041
Yes because this one retard doesn't understand the setting or differences in species at all and brings up Alice every single fucking thread with the same circular logic despite being shot down by multiple people multiple times. FS threads have been pretty fucking trash ever since Fortune Teller.

>>16926238
I don't recall that point ever being shot down? Not even in this thread. It's just people always responding with assumptions like ''oh the villagers wouldn't trust Alice because I say so''. It's more about how vague the whole thing is and how it doesn't make sense for Akyuu or anybody to never mention about the rule that says jinyous get executed and all of a sudden it appears, even the jinyou himself had no idea it existed. The fortune teller mentioned basically everything we knew about Reimu being buddy buddies with youkai and at the last second Reimu points out there was this one extremely important rule we never heard of? It just screams lazy writing.

>>16926176
We did. It seems the best way to make a villager rebel is to let them see life outside.

>>16926282
We monsters. How could we do this to such a good girl?!

>>16926282
Fucks ZUN, she turn my pure and innocent Kosuzu in a Fortune Teller 2.0

>>16926176
The hell is Yukari even planning to get out of this?

>>16926326
Removing someone who knows too much?

>>16926331
There's plenty of ways to do that.

>>16926282
How do I help Kosuzu escape from her horrible life? I just want her to be happy and smile again

Don't worry guys, in the next chapter the wonderful shrine maiden of paradise will exterminate that horrible scroll youkai and Kosuzu will back to normal, believe in my words.

>>16926364
What if Kosuzu is the scroll?[/away]

>>16926364
SSiB ended with Reimu having a meal with the lunarians.
OSP ended with Reimu having a drink with the fairies.
Is FS going to have a happy ending too?

>>16926282
>It seems the best way to make a villager rebel is to let them see life outside.
It's funny because in the grand scheme of things you're being parasited upon by either youkai or rich assholes.

I'd take magic world over the latter.

>>16926282
>>16926383

>>16926369
Kosuzu was the scroll youkai all the time.

>>16926176
>I have finally obtained the Forbidden Scrollery™!
Really ZUN?

Her new apron doesn't say "Kosuzu" on it. It's too late, she's gone

>>16926400
That's not a new apron, it's just the coat she's always had.

Hail Yukarin!

>>16926415
If this doesn't have a happy ending I'm gonna be mad at this adorable 17 year old.

>>16926415
How do people still like this bitch when she's the cause for literally everything bad in Gensokoyo? Without her Humans wouldn't live in constant fear and oppression and Youkai wouldn't be living on the verge of constant extinction. The fact that Reimu's all buddy buddy and doesn't even try to question her shit makes it even worse.

>>16926431
She does question Yukari, like in her very first appearance, thing is that's the only time she's been the actual culprit for that particular incident. FS is another time where Reimu should in fact question Yukari, and apparently she already knows it's her >>16926282.

>>16926364
My prevision is that Yukari wanted to destroy the youkai within the scroll, but for some reason couldn't do so through direct means and had to set up this whole incident involving the poor Suze so that Reimu would intervene

>>16926382
Reimu will have a sake night in suzunnan with Kosuzu and all youkai that appear in FS.

>>16923475
Thats a spooky double page. Especially since I read VFiS right before and this was the double page spread for that.

>>16925487
She can, but it'd turn into a h-doujin real quick.

>>16926431
nigger my favorite character is an asshole god who'd fuck over everyone to be capable of blowing off anything he considers "intervening" on him and his freedom
Yukari's not even 0.1% as horrible on a 'moral' standpoint and I can still like her.

>People blaming Yukari for this
>When she was the first person ever to be straight-forward with Kozusu about everything instead of tip-toeing about the issue, directly totally not threaten her or being a cryptic motherfucker

Gao hag did nothing wrong. It's everyone else who led Kozusu to this path.

>>16925341
>God meguca
fug u

>>16926795
Too green man.

>>16925860
Nobody is forbidden from the path of magician or Taoists (There are disciples not that they are learning anything) which mean the so called "immortality" that come after if they so much tried and succeed isn't forbidden as "magician" and "Taoists" are clearly not "Youkai" properly. At most they will have to leave and stay in some quite location.

That fortune teller just choose a shitty shortcut.

>>16926892
please respond

touhou wiki is out of date and has no sources

>>16923599
non-canon convo:

Alice: Soooo, Marisa, yer immortal now?
Marisa: Fucking Ze! you didn't see ch. 50???
Alice: Yeah, but....
Marisa: But what???
Alice I GOT TIRED OF WAITING FER YER ASS!! I'VE BEEN BANGING PATCHY FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW, DUMBASS!

>>16926911
In the fortune teller's case it was the motivation behind his turning into a youkai and the possibility of redpilling others within the village that got him killed.

>>16926455
This makes sense. I can see this happening.

>>16926922
The wiki has translations for the text books on the site itself; you'll be hard pressed to find translated downloads for those. The downloads for pre-FS/WaHH mangas are a google search away, and for FS, WaHH, and VFiS, suck it up and make a bato.to account. The translator posts them there and for some reason you can't view any chapters older than the newest one without an account. All that, or figure out how to use this program to download it from bato.to:

hxxp://redsquirrel87.altervista
.org/doku.php/batoto-downloader

The thing works, if you need words of encouragement from a stranger.

>>16926945
Yeah, I don't think ZUN is being particularly inconsistent about the state of Gensokyo. The big idea has been consistent: don't let the goyim know. No youkai in Gensokyo, Yukari in particular, care what (former) humans like Alice, Marisa, Sakuya, or Reimu do because they were never the ones providing the faith or fear that the youkai need nor are their ambitions a threat to that system. As for Reimu's hypocrisy: why not? Plenty of people do hypocritical things. Reimu may not fully understand how Gensokyo works or her role in the grand scheme of things, but she's not stupid enough to not realize that she plays an important role in maintaining the status quo. The status quo has been good to her so she will defend it. If that means saying inconsistent things for the sake of expediency, well, history is full of that.

ZUN's intent will hopefully become clearer as Reimu has more interactions with characters threatening to fuck with the youkais' bread and butter.

>>16926911
>Nobody is forbidden from the path of magician or Taoists
Magician youkai like Alice are jinyous, so they are as forbidden as the fortune teller, who was killed for being a jinyou.

Reminder that Arisu isn't from the human village. MS actually implies that she's from Makai.

>>16926911
>are clearly not "Youkai" properly
Magicians are a type of youkai. Read PMiSS.

>>16929022
You haven't read the thread? It's about how irrelevant that fact is, there's no reason stated anywhere as to why someone has to be from the village for it to count. It doesn't matter where you come from, you can still influence villagers with your existence alone.

Really, all ZUN had to do was come up with some other excuse for the fortune teller's death that doesn't create so many plotholes, or at least explain why all the other jinyous are ok besides ''they weren't born here so it's a-ok that they flaunt their jinyou asses in front of everybody, like Byakuren''.

>>16926108

You mean like how ZUN always presented things?

Do you people even read side shit he writes for most games?

>>16929031
Also that thing people say about the villagers not trusting outsiders and thus wouldn't trust Alice? Kanako, Byakuren and Miko have followers, even regular newcomers from the outside world that glitch into Gensokyo and reach the village are said in the books to become celebrities due to their knowledge.

>>16929031

Are you stupid or just pretending?

Alice became a yukai when Reimu's grandmother or grand grandmother was the miko. We know shit about her or her policy. We know shit about the rules back then. We don't even know if barrier was already in place or not back then.

And it's possible Alice and those people she lived with never ever even came to the village.

You fags are trying to look for plotholes where there aren't any.

>>16929012
>>16929031
>all the other jinyous
Magicians are not jinyous. No one else is ever called a jinyou. Editing Touhouwiki to claim Reimu refers to magicians as jinyous will not change that, and will get you banned if you do it again.

This is possibly the first time I've seen someone bragging about how their own headcanon makes no sense.

>>16929031
>there's no reason stated anywhere as to why someone has to be from the village for it to count.
If this is seriously what this thread is about, then I'm going to be really disappointed in you, /jp/.

Who the fuck cares about the "why"? It's a rule, Reimu says as much, and that's all that actually matters in the end.

>>16929023
Not really, getting considered and called as a type of youkai did't really changed what they are. They aren't born through fear or depend on it live, their bodies are still human. They simply don't age or need food.

Magician aren't Youkai properly they are humans who studies magic and becomes more.

>>16923924
she need to be ded

>>16925400
that pic was made shortly after fortune teller chapter

>>16925522
Isn't the vampite incident relatively recient?

>>16925582
you are underestimating how ingrain fear can be

>>16925629
>since Alice became immortal
wat?
the only inmortals are the hourai dolls, not youkais, not hermits and no lunarians

>>16925656
>>16925708
remind me, villagers trusts in akyuu writting?

>>16925763
like every radical, they don't think such thing as a good youkai exist

>>16925741
>That alone would clear up this whole issue.
except for reimu

>>16926326
no one knows, more if you considering marisa ending in LoLK

>>16926431
>Youkai wouldn't be living on the verge of constant extinction
yeah, they will be extint by now

>>16926431
Because she has good porn.