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When you realize your favorite Erika artist has either killed himself, abandoned twitter and pixiv or moved on with his life.

This feeling is so painful. He was so good at it too.

>>16861588
Just let me die already

>>16861486
Do Seacats cry?

>>16861486
That seacat seems to be looking forward to the future and whatever it may hold. We should learn from this seacats example.

>>16861486

>>16861727
>>16861486
Can we have the chiesters cry?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HMWjTXFwuY

>>16861976

Reminder that any notion of Umineko being a good mystery was destroyed by kastel-sama.

https://curiouscat.me/kastelpls/post/105150803

>>16862135
>mysteries are very close to videogames
>mario analogy into deathy by moonwalking micheal jackson analogy

>>16862135
Reminder that without love it cannot be seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1zj_o7AoZE

>>16862135
Mystery mystery blah blah blah mystery mystery I didn't like chiru blah blah blah

Even Erika is better than this

>>16862135
tl;dr-tier garbage.

>>16861472
anon

>>16862582
BEATO

>>16862582
Here is your (Sh)anon.

>>16862601
ANON

>>16862135
>You never really understand the whole cast. The denizens in Rokkenjima have their own backstories and whatever, but they aren't that important in Chiru. Even Battler, the goddamn protagonist, is a mystery because he is a badass dude and that's it.
How can anyone miss the point of Battle's characterization so badly?

Battler is a broken nihilist who doesn't find value about anything and it's the reason why he has such a laid back attitude and reads mystery novels. The irony is that the one strong stance he ever took in his life, forgoing his family name, was based on incorrect information that he left his mother for another woman.

His entire goddamn story is a lesson on truth and how we let it dictate our lives.

>>16862639
He finds value in crying

>>16862627

^_______________^

>>16862639
The sad part is that neither Kyrie nor Battler actually figures out that they are related until their real bodies go boom and they go to the meta world.

Would it have been inappropriate/too late for Rudolf to tell Kyrie that Battler is her son when she said she was considering shooting him if he didn't go along with their plans?

>>16862693
wouldn't have changed anything anyway

I want to discuss the idea of a whole 8-movie Hollywood blockbuster series of films about Umineko. I think we had a thread about it some time ago.

Who would you cast?
I still think Johnny Depp as Ronove was the best thing that came out of that thread. Just perfect.

But who would play the main cast? I have no idea about Battler or Beato for starters.

I finished Umineko not too long ago and have been thinking of playing Higurashi. I've been trying to pick up on the French I used to know and heard there's a really excellent French translation/release of Higurashi, should I DL it? Does anyone know the best release/Where can I find it?

>>16863611
Why not English?

>>16862627

>>16863599
Nana Komatsu as Bernkastel.

>>16863937
I'm just trying to consume more media to increase my proficiency in French, I'll probably play the English and French versions side-by-side if I can get my hands on either of them. It just seems like fun really

>>16863599

>>16861588
which artist?

>>16863599
That would be impossible because Shannon, Kanon and piece Beatrice would have to be played by the same person and the actress' name in the credits would spoil the whole thing.

>>16862132
Why is Chiester 00 such a shit and why does Gertrude look like Rosa?

>>16863971
She looks like a real life Junji Ito character for some reason.

>>16865545
No they wouldn't. You're a moron.

>>16865562
She really does. Good call.

Does anyone have any insight on how to replicate the filers Ryukishi used for the backgrounds in Higurashi and Umineko? I'm working on a short VN myself and want a similar look.

Where do Bern and Lambda pee and poop? Where do they even live?

>>16865589
Off the top of my head, maybe motion blur.

>>16865555
>why does Gertrude look like Rosa
Because Gertrude symbolizes a receipt and Rosa was returned at the store by her man.

>>16862693
Kyrie was told the truth before the events.
She told Battler in his final moments.
It's the reason why Tohya wrote it down in ep 8.

>>16861976
I love how the cat keep scaring the bunnies, yet they keep putting their goddamn heads in its face.

Why does Yasu like Battler the most even though she's only attracted to men because she was raised as a girl?

Jessica is a hot piece of ass, she should be the main target. The fact that most of Beatrice's furniture look like sexy half naked girls is proof that Yasu knows girls are objectively more attractive than guys.

>>16865619
Down there.

>>16865655
She has an emotional connection with Batora and is infatuated with him. It's like how you keep fantasizing about that one super cute preteen loli classmate 15 years later and every other girl seems dull compared to her.

I think Lion was supposed to be straight. That's why Sayo also likes girls and is attracted to femininity. But I don't think the attraction is sexual in nature. Can an eunuch with no dick or balls even get horny?

>>16865658
>It
This reminds me of what that anon said in the last thead. Thank you for telling me about the loli orgy scene in the book! I want to read it now!

http://whenwetranslate.livejournal.com/

>feelerino when retranslation ga dead

>>16865674
the what

>>16862135
Fuck off, faggot.

>>16865688
This >>16856974
I've looked it up and it's true. Stephen King is a cunnybro!

>>16865987

>>16865972
Assmodeus.

>>16865972
When was the last time Battler called them "ass-neechans"?

>>16866021
He calls them that in Tsubasa.

So is umineko christian or pagan shit? He seems to oppose faith and truth from what I've read so far, which is a misreading of religious faith desu. Does it evolve and overcome this opposition?

>>16866057
Faith becomes pretty important later on, with the whole "without love it cannot be seen" thing.

>>16866057
Neither

>>16866072
>>16866094
Don't care if christian or not honestly, just wanted to know if he just confronted truth/faith lecture or if he solved this

>>16863611
The french torrent website "T411.ai" have it, you need to make an account and search for "Le sanglot des cigales"

>>16866108
He does focus on it.

>>16866154
good enough.

>>16861277
Will the old good times return once WTC3 comes out?
Please tell me the good times will come back.
Please.

>>16866118
Mec tu vas pas lui conseiller de pirater le travail magnifique que le mec a réalisé quand même, encore ça aurait été un Danganronpa ou quoi ok mais la
Ça se fait pas autant qu'il y joue en anglais

Wish Rgd was discussed here more often. It's one of Ryus work after all but at this rate it's as if it didn't even exist in the first place.

>>16866178
When they cry 3 was actually Umineko EP1-4

>>16866118
>>16866224
Could you keep seeding the torrent after you download it, please? Just for a day or so. I don't want it to die before I can download it.

>>16866057
I was joking when I said R07 was a pagan y'know.

>>16865987
>>16865990
Holy shit, that's awesome. Is this recent or?

>>16866178
The good times will come back anon. I guarantee it with absolute certainty, but don't tell anyone I told you this okay?

>>16866224
>autant qu'il y joue en anglais
Je vois pas pourquoi. Autant qu'il essaye la traduction en française et si un jour il la veut en physique il pourra l'acheter, c'est ce que j'ai fait.

>>16866391
http://jjblue1.tumblr.com/post/158900444160/rontra-spaceysquid-i-know-this-isnt-the-joke

>>16867045
who's the guy on the left ?

>>16867031
How cruel can you be to make this just 2 pages? I know there's witches n woodlands but I need more seacats in a casual setting doing casual things

>>16866419
Thank you lambada-sama.

Which one do you like better?

>>16867108
Kanon with Shanon's boobs.

>>16867108
Kanon is cool as fuck in the fighting game. He and 410 are super fun to use.

>>16867133
Jumping around the arena with 410 is the best

>>16867061
Kindaichi

>>16867123

>>16867234
These pachinko sprites gave huge boobs to literally everyone...

>>16867281
I've lost enough faith in humanity to consider that someone can be actually this retarded and not just joking around.

>>16867360
It's ironic. He was clearly joking and you were too retarded to realize it.

Is this what love looks like?

>>16867418
Would love to join their discord. Seems like a nice company of people to converse with. Care to share a link? I don't mind if you hate me for asking or refuse completely.

Decided to check out the Umineko anime. You guys lied to me. That was much better than the VN.

>>16867443
Sorry. It's not that kind of a group

>>16867446
Well umineko as an anime has surprisingly more comedic value, being soo bad it's actually good. Still wasn't my plate.

>>16867446
Yeah. DameDame makes everything better

I'm trying to get my friend into reading Umineko. They have the Steam version, but will get a patch for the PS3 CG and sprites.
How's the translation? Is it different? Any better or worse, or does it not matter much?

>>16867519
Honestly Umineko is Umineko. I don't think it matters all that much which version of the vn you read.

>>16867519
According to someone in the last thread, the new translation is practically the same. The absolutely terrible retranslation where Beatrice says "fucking" three times in the same sentence in EP4 was, according to that anon, made by some russian guy with a poor grasp of English.

I still don't believe it. The translation was clearly made by a native English speaker, it's just fucking terrible. Battle uses the word "goddamned" way too often, to the point it becomes ridiculous. I also don't understand why a fan of Umineko would dedicate months of their life to retranslate the whole thing. And why the fuck are some people playing Umineko with that translation if it's not the work of Mangagamer? Who is responsible for spreading that shit knowing it's so bad?

Expect your friend to chuckle at things "Rokkenjimagate" or the thousand year old Beatrice saying "motherfucker" in serious scenes. But who cares, you are already watering down his experience by telling him to use the PS3 patches. I hope he enjoys the CRINGY as fuck CGs and missing out on the charm of the original sprites.

>pic related, this CG from EP4 never fails to make people chuckle even though that was never Ryukishi's intention for that scene

>>16867418
Suggest to a friend to read umineko
Become mortal enemies in the mystery/magic war

>>16867519
The new translation isn't awful, but it's definitely worse and kills some scenes. There is absolutely no reason to subject your friend to that when the original translation is still available. Forget about this Steam crap and tell him to download the game from Fuwanovel or whatever.

>>16867418
Why the fuck was this post deleted?

>>16867519
That picture makes me wonder, do you think Bern ever drops by Hinamizawa to pay Rika a visit?

>>16867624
I don't think she wants to remember how much of a bro Mion is, knowing that she can never be her friend. I bet she stays the fuck away from Hinamizawa.

>>16867614
Their internet speed is awful, so reinstalling the entire game would be a bit of a pain. Aren't there any patches?

>>16867632
>knowing that she can never be her friend

Good point. That fact is killing me every single day.

>>16867605
>I still don't believe it
Here's a section of their website detailing how their translation is different from MangaGamer's. If that doesn't convince you I don't know what will
https://umineko-project.org/en/english-translation-notes/

>>16867633
If that anon said the truth, the awful retranslation itself is the result of one of the Umitweak patches. I'm not sure, though.

Look up Narnith's Umineko videos. He played episodes 1-4 with the bad translation. Start the game and compare the translations. If they match, uninstall that shit and download it the old fashioned way.

I mean, it's not THAT bad, but some parts are fucking cringeworthy.

>>16867685
Ok then. It's atrocious, though. Why did they even bother?

>>16867519
If you really want PS3 sprites, go for it. But avoid any other "fancy" patches that might ruin your friend's immersion, like the one that tells you the name of a music track every time it changes.

Also, the scene where Ange jumps from the skyscaper was ruined by either a patch or Mangagamer's engine. I don't know which. The song that is supposed to play until the end of that scene is "forced" to play by itself during a credits screen, leaving the part where she jumps completely silent.

I'd say avoid all these potential problems and download the old release like we all did back in the day. Your friend can wait for a few more days if it will make the experience much better.

>>16867680
That's Shion!

I remember when the Umineko anime came out and made Jessica look like a bland AnimeMion clone.

>>16867738
It was a patch. That's how the scene played out in the PS3 version which is what the patch is emulating. The PS3 version also has things like removing any mention of Battler drinking at the end of Episode 2, before seeing Beatrice.
The Mangagamer version doesn't have significant rewrites or writing differences from The Witch Hunt version it's updated from.

>>16867605
Some people think you can translate "kisama" as "fuck you" for some reason. You can't make a character curse like an immature teenager in English just because they speak rudely in Japanese.

>>16867702
>>16867738
The PS3 version with the shitty translation isn't a patch at all, it's a standalone program you have to install by itself

The PS3 patch for the Steam version only replaces the art and adds voices, it doesn't change the text or anything else

>>16862135

>>16867768
Are you sure? If that's the case, that anon should be careful with what patches he uses. Or just let his friend play Umineko vanilla and let him decide if he likes it or not.

>The PS3 version also has things like removing any mention of Battler drinking at the end of Episode 2, before seeing Beatrice.
Why would anyone make a patch that emulates the PS3 version if it causes problems with the music and is censored?

>>16867712
>Why did they even bother?
The site says
>the game is in English and Russian with an updated translation (still in progress) — the edits/fixes to the English version bring the translation of episodes 1-4 up to the higher standard set by WH’s Chiru release, fix punctuation and consistency issues, make the translation compatible with a voiced release, and (optionally) incorporate edits that were included in the PS3 version

So according to them things like "Rokkenjimagate" is a apparently a "higher standard"

>>16867738
It really is a shame that he played half of Umineko with that trainwreck of a translation. Fuck whoever told him it was a good idea.

He's the perfect reader for something Umineko. He even READ Higurashi before it. But I can't watch his pre-EP5 videos without cringing at the translation.

>>16867784
Maybe if someone already played through the original and wanted to re-read it with a shiny new experience, plus great voice-acting? Or feels compelled to experience the PS3 version because it looks like a significant improvement in every way on the surface? Newcomers wouldn't know any better, and I don't think they'll care too much either as much as the fans who already read it do.

There are people that complained that the Mangagamer version was nothing like the PS3 version because of lacking voice acting and better art, despite the PS3 version costing significantly more and being for the PS3 and not the PC.

>>16867799
>It's no good! It's no goddamned good at all!
>fucking this fucking that
Seriously... Everything about Beatrice's dialogue in this scene is cringeworthy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrruoEz0Vso

Starts around 14:50. The idea of Beatrice using that language over and over again, cursing in every line is just ridiculous.

They also use CURSIVE letters to emphasize some words. This isn't a fucking American comic.

>>16867807
>better art
Opinions.

>>16867864
Yes, we all have one. Everyone doesn't share the same opinion on things.

>>16867680
I wonder if Mion's pubes are straight or curly. She's supposed to be Japanese, but anime charactes don't look asian at all.

I find Japanese pubic hair really boring to look at. It's almost like normal hair. Nothing lewd about it at all.

>>16867832
I thought you were exaggerating... I don't know about the rest, but that scene in particular is a disgrace.

>>16867903
There is even more
>Rokkenjima Massacre is now "RokkenjimaGate"

>>16867680
Why is Mion such a great person even though her family does evil things for a living and she doesn't seem to give a shit?

>>16865545
The could find androgynous twins to play Shannon and Kanon, one female, one male. And Beatrice doesn't really look anything like Shannon in the sprites, so they could get a different actress for that.
That said, I do see how it would be tricky. They might have to adjust the narrative a little and say that Shannon and Kanon are twins, the plot twist could still work, as it turns out they're actually one and the same.

>>16867768
>removing any mention of Battler drinking
I always found it strange how the port removed Battler drinking, but the scene in Episode 8 where loli Ange drinks Rudolf's "adult drink" is still there

The Higurashi ports didn't remove Rika's drinking either, there's even a CG of it

>>16868033
RUDOROFU is such an ugly name holy shit the poor bastard.

>>16867953
I wouldn't really consider Mion to be a good person. She does some morally grey things such as hiding corpses for her friends and can also be considered partially responsible for Rina's death in some of the episodes. I also don't remember her having any moral problems with all of the shady things her family does, which makes it seem like she'll continue the tortures and everything once she becomes the boss.

She's just really good at separating her family life from her personal life, since she's probably the nicest character in the whole VN when she's around her friends.

>>16867928
Fucking what?

>we want the underage crowd but we might get in trouble if their parents find out they read about massacre
>hey I know let's change the word 'massacre'
>forget the themes of incest, rape torture it's specifically tiptoeing around the issue of massacre

Why do Umineko let's players try to read the narration out loud even during the EP1 and EP2 credits? Why don't they realize that the text goes too fast for them to read out loud? Why do they keep trying to read it out loud until they give up, barely understanding what they even read because they were desperately trying to read all that shit as fast as possible? I mean, what the fuck? I would just read it mentally and then say what I think about it, which is the reason people are watching the video in the first place. It's common sense.

Why does the text go so fast anyway? I can't imagine ever being fluent enough in Japanese to read that shit comfortably, especially if it was my first time reading Umineko. Fucking kanji, man.

>>16868121
You can change the auto scroll speed

>>16868101
That anon got wrong. They translated the "Rokkenjima suspicion" as "Rokkenjimagate". Just to make a stupid joke I guess. What a bunch of assholes.

>>16868132
Seriously? You mean in the original version? How? I don't remember any options screen or anything of the sort.

>>16868098
>when you realize that the Mion in Saikoroshi who doesn't give a shit about Rika being bullied and even seems to find it amusing is actually SHION because the switch never happened
I wonder how many people notice this. They do mention that it's a world where all of Rika's friends are sinless, but it's easy to forget that without that sin Mion would live far away in St. Lucia academy.

>>16868151
It's in the witch-hunt readme but noone ever reads the readme

>>16868098
>partially responsible for Rina's death
Wait, what? Holy shit, did that happen because Rena told Mion about her problems? I never thought much about it, I just assumed that the problem disappeared after Rena decided to talk to her friend because of karma or whatever. I didn't realize Mion could have arranged something.

I don't think Mion is an angel, but helping her friend get away with killing Teppei and being responsible for that bitch's death makes her a good person in my opinion. They were complete wastes of oxygen.

Higurashi preaches that murder isn't the right solution to those problems. But I don't think Ryukishi meant that it was morally wrong. It's just that killing that piece of shit would ruin K1's life. He would be traumatized for life, have constant nightmares about Teppei's disfigured corpse or his ghost coming back to haunt him, and live in a constant state of paranoia because the police could find out the truth one day and ruin his life.

>>16867738
>like the one that tells you the name of a music track every time it changes.
What's wrong with that? plenty of people find it convenient to be able to figure out a songs name without searching for it one by one in the music box. Besides, you're given the option to turn that feature on or off.

>>16868098
>>16868319
Was the disappearance of Teppei's corpse ever explained? There are several valid blue truths, but none of them are confirmed to be the right answer as far as I know.

Mion using her influence to move the body somewhere else is the most popular theory. And it was hinted at in Tsumihoroboshi, when Mion and the others helped Rena hide the dismembered bodies. But how the fuck did Mion know where Teppei was buried if she was at the festival? I doubt she sent people to spy on K1 as he killed Teppei.

Another theory is that Takano knew about the murder and had the yamainu get rid of it. She can't have the police investigating a murder in the village when she's planning to gas everyone in a few days. She also seemed to know about the murder, even though she pretended it was a joke. She even threatened K1 before leaving.

The third theory is that K1 spent so much time planning the murder and digging the first hole while reflecting on his life, that he simply forgot about the second hole he had to improvise when Teppei made him run too far away. When he woke up the next morning, he had forgotten most of the details of that surreal night, including the fact that he had to dig a second hole after the murder, and was convinced that he buried Teppei in the first hole. That's why he couldn't find the body. He was searching in the wrong place. It makes sense that he would forget about the details, he wasn't even sure if the events of that night had been real or just a dream.

>>16867799
>higher standard set by WH’s Chiru release
>So according to them things like "Rokkenjimagate" is a apparently a "higher standard"
They said chiru release, not steam release.

>>16867876
^that is some quality truth there.

I like how Ryukishi's characters seem to be anime stereotypes at first but then subvert it and become much more complex.

Rena and Maria appear to be your typical kawaii uguu anime girl that behaves like a preschooler and makes cute sounds. But Rena is totally faking that shit to hide her depression and Maria is considered an autistic weirdo for saying "uu-uu" all the time.

I like the fact that the girls from Kanon would be considered literal retards in the WTC universe.

>>16868499
But the Steam release doesn't say Rokkenjimagate either, only the PS3fication does

>>16868547
It's a damn shame we didn't get more real Rena
The fact that she keeps pretending even during Ep 8 always bothered me

>>16868567
She probably started to enjoy being like that. I'll bet it was much more fun for her to live that way.

>>16868319
>and live in a constant state of paranoia because the police could find out the truth one day and ruin his life.

It's interesting how that's something R07 conveyed with K1's increasing paranoia and guilt, but it's also something that Mion has to go through all her life. She's pretty much an accomplice to all of the tortures and murders her family committed and probably made the call on a few of them. She knows that if someone screws up or if Oiishi gets the right evidence, that she'll permanently lose the life she had with her friends in Hinamizawa.

It's almost like she's constantly living the life that K1 lived after killing Teppei, though nowhere near as bad since she doesn't have the Hinamizawa syndrome. She's also confident that her family won't be caught, but the idea of it happening is still probably in the back of her mind.

It really makes me wish that R07 spent more time expanding on Mion's character more or at least showed her thoughts like he did with Rena and Rika. Especially since one of the major themes of Higurashi is the whole thing of murder not being the solution to your problems, even though Mion's family solves a lot of their problems through murder.

>>16868215
Why was there a clinic in Hinamizawa in that world? I think there was a photograph of Takano Hifumi there.

Does this mean that Hifumi never managed to finish his research in the other worlds because he was taking care of Miyoko? She really did ruin his life.

Are the other WTC stories as good as Umineko?

Are they worth checking out?

>>16868585
But whenever shit got real Rena reverted into her real personality
For how much the VN talks about friends accepting everything like Keichi's crimes the fact that Rena keeps pretending to be retarded is strange

>>16868473
>how the fuck did Mion know where Teppei was buried if she was at the festival?
Maybe Mion and friends were only pretending that they spent time at the festival together to provide an alibi for him. Keiichi wasn't exactly being subtle. I think they must have known he planned to kill Teppei even before he called Mion the morning of the festival to tell her to take Satoko along to the festival without him. They already knew this was coming, and had decided to have Rena tail him in that situation, both to help him finish off Teppei if he messed up and to help him with disposing of the body (preferably without his knowledge).

>>16868547
This. Though I'm not sure Rena really counts as legit depressed. She does seem to find meaning in the relationships she has been able to form in Hinamizawa, and (in some arcs more than in others) she's pretty clearheaded and reliable. When I'm depressed I just curl up in a corner and don't get anything done, and I sure as hell don't go around spending time with my friends of my own accord.
And if she is depressed, and she still has the strength to live the way she does that's not something to be ashamed of. "Fake it till you make it" seems to be working out just fine for her.

>>16867953
because rgd-logics.

>>16868567
Rena and Shannon are very similar in that sense. You can tell that their behavior isn't completely natural.

>>16868567
Higurashi retold entirely from Rena's perspective would be nice.

>>16868596
You mean Higurashi? Yeah it's good. It has a bunch of parallels with Umineko but tackles some different themes.

>>16868604
I bet quiet chinese loli will get a cameo during WTC5
She is the most likely one to have one from the entire cast

>>16868611
This. VN writers should be more comfortable with writing from a girls perspective in general. I still think fate would have been much better if Nasu didn't go for the retarded Arthuria genderswap and stuck with his original idea of having a female protagonist.

>>16868587
Higurashi is truly the modern day "crime and punishment"

>>16868599
Probably for the same reason Satoko still chooses to act like a selfish crybaby, Rika acts like a cute little princess, and Mion acts like an insensitive tomboy. Over time their various facades all became their casual way of acting, even if it's not how they really are.

>>16868624
A female Shirou would have been a very interesting character. Genderswapped male protagonists tend to be pretty fun.

>>16868637
True that. Male 410 in rgd was pretty fun in its own right.

>>16868473
I think K1 and Krauss are the real autists in their respective stories. Especially Krauss. He gets swindled really easily by suspicious people.

Speaking of that, what's up with that Sonezaki guy that tricked Krauss? Why would Ryukishi change a letter so that he's not a Sonozaki? Would there be some sort of contradiction if he really was a Sonozaki instead of just a silly Higurashi reference?

>>16868646
>Male 410
Literally only his hair and laugh are similar
410 was way smugger
Alan was just blue-haired Battler with puns

>>16868646
No male could be as crazy-sexy as the original 410.

>>16868599
The way I see it it's a kind of roleplayer mentality. Rena could easily beat all of her friends in clubactivities if she played to win, but her aim is to have fun with them (this is still a pretty big theme in Umineko). Her "personality" is her way of engaging with her friends in a casual way. It gives her an excuse for losing a lot of times - she enjoys doing the punishments, and she enjoys seeing her friends win. It allows her to goof off without feeling silly. It makes people feel less inadequate when they are around her. I think her pretending has more to do with her being too intelligent for her own good than with being depressed.

This kind of social game is something normies never have to learn. They have an average amount of mental resources, so they naturally fall into a role. If you're too good at too many things you actively have to decide your role.

>>16868637
Sorry, but imo you should have some narrative aim when deciding your characters gender, unless it's irrelevant to the story you are trying to tell.
Genderswapping for the sake of genderswapping is tumblr-tier retarded.

If you were honest with yourself you would admit that all you really want are more flamboyant tomboy protagonists.

>>16868659
Don't be silly anon. There's nothing sexual about that bunny girl.

>>16868684
>See picture
>hear Nye-he in my mind

>>16868684
I like this one better, but the tits kind of ruin it.

She really is the sexiest character in Umineko. The smug fucker doesn't seem to give a shit about anything or anyone, but she can still be humiliated and tortured! Lewd!

>>16861277

>>16868682
Genderswapping for the sake of genderswapping is tumblr-tier retarded.
I think it's fun to try and reimagine how a character would change both design-wise and in the context of the story.

>>16868698
>step mother, half sister-in-law, aunt
Holy shit, what a mess.

>>16868695
Not my type. And I'd rather tease/be teased than torture.

>>16868684
Best girl

>>16865545
are you saying a character impersonating others cannot be played by different actors? ever watched Heath Ledger's final film?

>>16868703
Sure, it's fun to change some perimeter of a character and ask yourself how that would change their role in a story. The focus on categories like gender, class, race, etc. is boring structuralist crap though. Out of all the changes changes you could make to the way a character; why focus on the most superficial ones?

How about if Mion had a more strained relationship with her family, or if Rena were to adopt a different personality when interacting with her friends while still being the same person? How about a Rika that gets bored pretending to be a little girl and starts letting her sarcastic, jaded personality shine through a little? Those things seem much more interesting as thought experiments or writing exercises to me than "lol what if Oiishi were a GIRL".

>>16868698
Only Yasu can fall in love with three people at the same time and not be called a slut.

>>16868724
Reminds me of that teasing fanfic from a while back.

>>16868703
Let's try that again.
Sure, it's fun to change some perimeter of a character and ask yourself how that would change their role in a story. The focus on categories like gender, class, race, etc. is boring structuralist crap though. Out of all the changes you could make to a character why focus on the most superficial ones?

How about if Mion had a more strained relationship with her family, or if Rena were to adopt a different personality when interacting with her friends while still being the same person? How about a Rika that gets bored pretending to be a little girl and starts letting her sarcastic, jaded personality shine through a little? Those things seem much more interesting to me as far as thought experiments or writing exercises go than "lol what if Oiishi were a GIRL".

>>16868742
Hard to be considered a slut when you have no chance of ever actually consummating any of your relationships.

>>16868747
Because genderswapping is a much more simple premise that can be applied to most any character.
It's also fun to try and fiddle with the character design to make it look like the opposite gender while still retaining the original charm. I'm not saying your ideas aren't also interesting, it's just a different sort of appeal.

>>16868750
You can still be a love-slut

>>16861277
Ryukishi-drawn Erika t shirt.

>>16868791
That basically describes Yasu in a nutshell. So desperate for love and acceptance they don't care where it comes from.

>>16868795
>That liquid dripping down from her foot.

>>16867519
The Steam version is the best way to go. Whether the PS3 graphics patch is applied or not, it's all up to your friend. Personally, I would recommend downloading it, since the voice acting is absolutely superb, with some big names among the cast. Sayaka Ohara's performance as Beatrice is simply stunning and is definitely worth hearing in my opinion.

The translation used in the Steam version was handled by the Witch Hunt themselves, and is hardly any different from the original, other than some grammatical improvements. It fixes a few translation errors found in the original and reads much more smoothly overall.

You can read more about it here: https://forum.rokkenjima.org/t/an-announcement-by-the-witch-hunts-usagitenpura-regarding-uminekos-upcoming-steam-release/380

As for PS3 sprites for the Steam version, there is 07th Mod's patch, which is available over at GitHub. This patch only implements voice acting, CGs and replaces the sprites and backgrounds, nothing more. It does not edit the script in any way.

On the other hand, you've got the 'Umineko Project', which is not a patch but an entire, standalone program. It is a full port of the PS3 game, and features flashier effects, animated lip syncing and a 1080p resolution. It uses a supposedly 'enhanced' translation, based on that of the original, but as you can see on the previous posts, it can get ridiculous at times. The 1080p graphics and effects can be tempting, but I would advise refraining from downloading this version.

>>16868807
Drool obviously!

>>16868812
Yeah, "drool"...

>>16866178
>WTC3
Anon, that's Umineko. Chiru is 4. This new one will be 5.

>>16868811
My ideal version would be the PS3 port with the Steam translation.
The port also features a much more in-depth user interface.
>mfw you can mute just Maria's voice.

>>16868795
I'm an Erikafag but I'd kill my self if I had to wear that

>>16868779
>Because genderswapping is a much more simple premise that can be applied to most any character.
Alright, I think I get where you're coming from now, and you're okay.

The sort of person I'm riling on about is the type that reads a genderswapped version of romeo and juliet (which is to say, one that swaps out the names and pronouns of the original script), thinks they've witnessed some kind of important statement about our cultural heritage and decides to write their fucking bachelors thesis on it. It's a meme. The reason it's a phenomenon isn't that it's insightful, but only that it can be done to almost anything. Stop pretending to be an intellectual when you can't even think outside of categories other people have decided for you. Sorry. I'm done now.

>>16861277
why did they make Bernkastel flat in the ps3 sprites?

>>16868873
To make her look more like Rika.

>>16868873
To attract Rika fanatics

Which furniture is best furniture?

>>16868914
Ikea

>>16868914
Bronove
You can't prove me wrong
Both useful AND fun to hang with
He is also smugger than Erika and one of the smartest characters in the series

>>16868914
R07 is a huge touhoufag, are the first 2 chiesters based on Reisen and Tewi?

>>16868943
Probably. 410 definitely reminds me of Tewi, and the design is spot on.

>>16868918
Too bad he's barely present in Chiru

>>16868983
This was awesome though.

>>16868983
Further proof he is best furniture
His screentime is actually really low, but he is a character that everyone liked and remembers

>>16868873
How big should they have been?

what do we know about wtc5?

>>16869073
Nothing. Just that he said it would be different from the previous ones.

>>16869078
There's this.

>>16869073
https://rokkenjima.org/when-they-cry-5-teaser-page-published/

Someone here must have already read this
Please explain what is going on in this picture

>>16869156
Clearly the protagonist was eating lunch on the roof with Bernkastel when all of a sudden Beatrice came down in a helicopter to steal their food.

>>16868033
Oh, cute, nice.
I didn't know this image existed. Thanks for posting.

>>16868098
>>16868319
>can also be considered partially responsible for Rina's death in some of the episodes.
No, Mion is absolutely responsible for Rina's death.

You'll notice that when Teppei comes back to Hinamizawa's it's because Rina is killed or has gone missing. Rika says that the odds of him returning to the village are low, meaning there is some causal effect that makes him return yet is very rare to occur. In ep 7, Rena mentions that she opened up to Mion about her house problems, and the issue got better. Of course, Rina always had debts to the Sonozaki, but you don't randomly kill people that owe you debts, as they can't pay you back, and it wasn't as if Rina was skipping town or anything.

In short, the reason why Teppei comes to torment Satoko is because Rena opened up to Mion, who then took care of the problem by using her connections to make Rina pay up with her life. It's also the reason why Rina doesn't die by torture in any other episodes.

Remember, this is causality. Every action is linked.

I want to bully Maria and strip her naked in front of all her classmates.

>>16868807
Erika loves reasoning.

>>16870572
I'd give her a taste of my reasoning if you catch my drift

>>16870774
Just a taste?

>>16870871

Why isn't Batora attracted to Jessica? She's perfect for him.

>>16870923
Battler's not into incest.

>>16870998
But Battler flirted with all his female relatives except Natsuhi, his mom and his grandmother
Even his love interest is related to him

>>16871014
What about Ange? I don't think he ever flirted with her, even when he wasn't aware of her identity.

>>16871071
Pretty sure he did at the start if Ep 4

>>16871014
If Battler where to commit incest with one of his female relatives, who do you think would be most likely?

>>16871113
Jessica.

>>16871113
Jessica or Rosa.
Jessica is in love with Kanon so it would be hard, but Battler would have fun teasing her and trying to grab her boobs.

Out of all of his aunts Battler's shown the most genuine attraction towards Rosa, her winking at him got him a little hot and bothered in ep 5.

>>16871113
I'd say in terms of likelyhood it'd be
Jessica>Rosa>Eva>Maria>Natsuhi>Ange>Kyrie

>>16871189
Well, if Battler had never left Kanon might never have come into being. Jessica started taking interest in Kanon because he was someone nearby, so without him around it's not impossible that she might start developing feelings for Battler instead. And as many have stated, Jessica fits Battler's image of an ideal woman pretty well, so it wouldn't be a surprise for him to start hitting on her too.

>>16871225
You're only thinking about battlers interests.Rosa is by far the most likely in terms of actually responding to his interest in a positive way.

>>16871278
rosa getting pregnant from an immature battler who would ditch her eventually then becoming more insane would be nice

>>16871278
>You're only thinking about battlers interests.
Well yeah. Otherwise Ange would have been much higher. Maria too, due to her naivety.

>>16871288
Out of the Ushiromiya family three people have cross accessories on their clothing: Kyrie, Battler and Maria. What if I told you they are metaphorically passed on through the generations.
Kyrie and Battler never find out that they are mother and son.Battler and Maria never find out that they are father and daughter. It's like pottery!

I also have an alternative Mariatrice theory that ties into this.

>>16871340
Let's hear it then.

Breaking news!
Local girl found alive (or dead) on the shores of Rokkenjima island in her school swimsuit! Said girl does not believe in love and magic. Is this the fruit of Japans backward education? Unfortunately due to the weather we are unable to inquire more about this incident.

Next up, witch can change the size of (her) breast size at will! And now a word from our sponsor, MoonKrauss and co.

I'm starting to think that Genji was really gay for Kinzo. He's completely devoted to him, thinks of himself as a literal piece of furniture and is willing to assist Kinzo's daughter in her forced mass suicide plan.

Why the fuck would Ronove be so obviously gay otherwise? Too many coincidences. I think we can elevate this to the level of red truth.

>>16871773
Wonder if you have read Rgd. its full of cool geys, no wonder it is sometimes called rosegunsgays.

>>16871746
I love this. Thanks anon.

>>16871773
OBJECTION!

[Blue]Kinzo might have been threatening to kill someone dear to Genji if Genji didn't comply with his every demand. After 30 years of brutal conditioning, Genji had been mindbroken to Kinzos every whim. Even when Kinzo died, Genji believed that his loved ones would suffer if he didn't obey the next in line.

>>16871773
Explain Nanjo/Gaap.

>>16871786
I haven't read it yet. I already had the ending spoiled for me back before translation was even finished.

>>16871773
I think Genji didn't see any reason to keep living after his master died. He'd just get older and older without any family or real friends. I think he actually agreed with Sayo's way of thinking.

I mean, what would have happened if the Ushiromiyas survived? Kyrie and Rudolf are dreadful human beings that ruin people's lives and drive them to suicide. Rosa can't be happy until she pays her debt and forgets about Maria's father. Maria's happiness will go to shit once she grows out of her fantasies and is forced to live on autism bux with her abusive mother. George will have his dreams shattered and go back to being an antisocial nerd that faps to loli doujinshi 24/7.

They are all fucked in one way or another.

>>16871940
>autism bux
She's a cute girl. She can just become a prostitute and never have to work a day in her life.

Maria be cute! Hecka cute!

>>16868832
>>16868795
The more I think about it them more I realise that she is LITERALLY a fucking rapist.

>>16872125
Furudo Erika, actual rapist.

I fapped to the thought of Eva having fun with Ange post-incident due to being lonely and Ange hate-fucking her on her deathbed because of it.

Is this normal?

>>16872154
What the fuck? Deathbed Eva was in her 60s!

I have only fapped to:

>Ange being stipped by goats and licked all over
>which is canon

>Maria masturbating out of boredom.
>Using Sakutaro to rub her pussy.
I hoped Ryukishi would make this canon in "Sakutaro to the Purgatory mountain", but THE FUCKER MADE SAKUTARO PURIFY ALL OF HIS SINS EXCEPT LUST. WHY, RYU, WHY?

No, seriously. Why?

>>16872191
I like that idea. The lonely Maria starts to experiment with masturbation during her long nights home alone, using her precious stuffed animal to stimulate herself while imagining that it's a new game they're playing together.

>>16872191
>Luci-ass-neechan: "You believed to be the most important person in Maria's life!"

>Levia-ass-neechan: "You were jealous of Rosa when she spanked Maria's soft ass cheeks!"

>Satan-ass-neechan: "You really hated Rosa's guts for being The Best Mom Ever!"

>Belphe-ass-neechan: "You turned Maria into a retarded lazy ass who couldn't do anything by herself!"

>Mammon-ass-neechan: "You wanted to consume all of Maria's time, to be her only friend for all eternity!"

>Beelze-ass-neechan: "You suggested Maria to eat lots of snacks while Rosa wasn't home!"

>Asmo-ass-neechan: "Your whole body smells like loli sweat! Do I even need to explain the reason?"

>WTC 1 and 2
>A miracle will happen if everyone believes
>WTC 3 and 4
>A miracle may never happen because people are shitty, but you should believe in them anyway
What will be the focus of WTC 5 and 6?

>>16872244
She writes about this in her diary and Ange blushes when she reads it.

>>16872302
Then she starts teaching herself this game as she learns Maria's magic.

>>16872301
I'm more insterested in the cameos. I don't want Bern, Lambda or Erika to appear again as witches, it would feel like a rehash of Umineko. But I want them to appear in some form as minor characters.

Speaking of witches, what the fuck are Bern and Lambda? They only call themselves witches because that's the theme of Beato's game. But they are more like meta-creatures that die if they stop thinking. Unlike the golden witch, they don't have any "made up" backstory or weaknesses or legends. They just exist. What the fuck are they? And how will they manifest in the next WTC?

>>16872334
They are higher level metafictional characters who continually appear via new incarnations throughout Ryukishi's works as a way to ease their own boredom.

Was the Hane translation ever finished?

>>16872363
I don't believe Yukari-chan is Bernkastel. She just looks like Rika. We haven't heard from Bern or Lambda since EP8.

>>16872379
What about Fuka?

>>16872401
I don't even know what this story is about, but that's clearly Bernkastel. And she's trolling the shit out of everyone.

Daily reminder that Natsuhi ruined everything because of her stupid pride. Fucking crazy ass bitch.

>>16872455
I wonder how Maria would have turned out without Beatrice's influence. She thought she was the daughter of the holy ghost, but all that autistic stuff about witches came from Beato.

I wish we could see what Maria is like in Lion's world without Bernkastel messing without everyone's memories.

>>16872495
Eww! She has, like, a butt and everything! Disgusting! Who would want to see someone else's smelly ass?

Humans are really pathetic and disgusting. Maria should be ashamed of herself. How can she go all "kihihihihi" on Battler when she's an ass-having human?

>>16872528
Not this again.

>>16872528
Jessica has no shame or dignity. Why would she bring that up? A civilized human being is supposed to pretend that asses don't exist. If you talk about your ass, people will be reminded of it and will be constantly aware of the fact that you have an asshole. Isn't that extremely awkward, Milady? You should be more ladylike.

>>16872571
There's more to an ass than just an anus.

>>16872502
Why does nobody ever talk about the OST? It's amazing. Especially the more relaxed tunes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anbtm10hL2Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIW30I8HbrQ

>>16872571
Animals are more dignified than humans. Their anuses are exposed because they don't give a shit. Humans, on the other hand, hide their shameful assholes between huge butt cheeks. Their butt cracks gather sweat during the day and end up smelling really lewd.

If I was a human girl I'd be so embarrassed that I'd literally kill myself.

>>16872602
Why the fuck is K1 making that face? He's a lucky bastard literally surrounded by pussy.

>>16872627
He can't fuck any of them without destroying the groups balance.

>>16872455
I unironically wish I could babysit a cute loli with mild autism and play with her all day. I would take her to the beach and help her make some friends.

Imagine sleeping with a super sweet loli, feeling her warmth and smelling her hair all night while she tells you cute stories before falling asleep. That would be pure bliss even if you didn't do anything lewd.

>>16872634
He can always use his power as the Magician of Words and convince them to do whatever he wants.

Something like this >>16847677 should be easy for K1. He could easily convince them that opening up to each other in the dirtiest sense and having an awesome orgy will strengthen their friendship and create and unbreakable bond between them. After something like that, they could even see each other taking a dump without it being awkward. That's what real friendship is all about.

>>16872627
Is this the only picture of pedo-Rena?

>>16872707
For fucks sake, what is it with you and scat!?

Does anyone remember when Zombie Kanon sticked his fingers inside his chest and freaked Gohda out? Does this mean that Yasu's hideous wound is large enough to cover his whole chest?

Also, what's the deal with both Shannon and Kanon coming back from the dead near the end of EP3?

>>16871573
Alright. First off, this is more of a narrative-driven theory than a puzzlesolving one, so I'm going to focus on the way those aspects fit together.
Rule x: Kinzo is dead at the start of all games
Rule y: Kanon and Shannon are the same person
Rule z: The game ends on October 5th 24:00

I believe Maria is shown to be aware of many of the things she at first appears to be ignorant about.
She pretends that she doesn't know that her mother is going on adult vacations when she gathered as much a long time ago when she called at her workplace.
She uses the explanation that her mother is possessed by a witch - seemingly in earnest - but at the end of Turn she is shown to understand that "there is not good or bad mom, both of them are the same person". This can be interpreted as her giving her mother a way to disassociate herself from her own actions. She's using magic so her mother will again be able to take her hand after beating her up.
Also she seems to be blissfully unaware of the nature of the game she is participating in, yet she is the first one to figure out that Battler and his parents are the culprits in Bernkastels game, she has solved all of the wolf and sheep puzzles and she's generally far more knowledgable than a 9 year old has any right to be.
Can you really make yourself believe that she couldn't see through a trick as simple as "close your eyes while I make a candy appear through magic" if she wanted to? I think it makes much more sense that she is willingly obscuring the truth to create the illusion of the witch.
Remember Marias diary, and the fact that she transformed all of the terrible things that happened to her into fun times. She didn't do that to protect herself, - that kind of interpretation doesn't work if she's able to see through her own magic - but to protect the memory of her mother.
During the events of the Rokkenjima murders Maria covers for the culprit to create the "possibility that a witch did it". "Her goal is not to make someone experience fear. And it isn't to have revenge on someone either. Beato never committed murder for the sake of pleasure." Mariatrice is not the culprit, so she could deny any motive Battler could come up with.

So, why does Maria take the appearance of Beatrice in the metaworld? And why does Ange get a Beatrice doll at the end of episode 8?
This is where the idea that Maria is Battlers daughter comes into play.
Let's say Rosa had a child with Battler, who met with her in secret during the following years. "The man who left her" was nothing more than a cover story she made up to hide the fact that her daughter was the product of incest. That is, until Battlers mother died. When he disappeared from the Ushiromiya Family and left her behind she banished her feelings into a doll that had all the properties he had told her he liked in a woman and gave that doll to her daughter, "passing on her love".

Battlers sin being a promise between kids always reminded me of the conclusion to Watanagashi. A lot of people were able to take Mions stated motive at face value, but to me it felt lacking. I think Battler having a child with his aunt and abandoning it makes for a much stronger motive for murder (plus it's something Beatrice brought up at the end of episode 4 when Battler failed her trial). I want to reject Rosatrice because it's full of contradictions from a thematic standpoint, but the reasoning for her being as plausible a culprit as Yasu is solid.
And here's what I think her motives are: To make Battler experience fear, to take revenge on him for abandoning her and for the sake of pleasure that would bring her. The illusion of the witch exists to burry that truth absolutely, which is what Maria made a contract with Lambdadelta to accomplish. This is what Battler realizes at the end of game 6, and the reason he is able to forgive her so easily. She's just an idiot who tried to protect her mother from having to face the consequences of her actions and got her whole family killed as a result.

Lastly, what is the purpose of Beatrices game in this scenario?
She wants to create a scenario where Battler will be find the truth, but still accept her mother. That scenario doesn't exist, at least in the real world, so she is doomed to fail from the get-go. And so, when Meta-Battler does find out the truth that Beatrice is already dead. The message-bottles really were written by Maria, in the hope that someone else would be able to understand the truth without hating the culprit, a wish that was granted by Willard and Aurora. Aurora figured out the truth and obscured it according to her wishes, and Willard was able to understand the culprit.

This scenario certainly gives a different meaning to chick-Beatrice insisting that she was born for her fathers sake and not having any romantic feeling for him. And Battler unknowingly walks in his grandfathers footsteps, falls in love with his own daughter without knowing it and ends up marrying her.

Poetry!

>>16872763
There's nothing weird about a scat fetish. It's not about the shit itself, that's disgusting. It's about the humiliation. The idea of a super cute kawaii anime girl having to take a shit just like every other human is simply mindblowing. She's so cute that you can barely imagine it, but she obviously does it. It's fascinating, unbelievable, almost magical. It stops being disgusting and becomes an extremely lewd thing that defies the concept of human dignity.

>>16872793
Don't you have another ban to wait out?

>>16865639
Bunnies are very curious and friendly animals.
Mine adored my cat. He always tried to snuggle up to her and she would waddle away (she was old) before giving up and grudgingly accepting it.
I wonder if R07 based the chiester's mischievous and dutiful personalities off of rabbits he had as pets in real life.

Daily reminder that anyone not reading the threads on Warosu is missing out on half the posts. You should only use this shit website to post your replies.

I can't count the number of times I've had all my theories and contributions to a thread automatically deleted because I posted a lewd picture by mistake and got banned before I could delete the post myself.

>>16872779
I think Ange being Batora's daughter makes more sense.

>>16872834
inb4 post gets deleted.

>>16872806
>supporting censorship
You are a terrible person.

>>16872857
Why not both? Maria and Ange were sisters all along without knowing it!

>>16872834
Last time warosu failed to archive certain posts and all their replies for no reason. Some great theories about EP6 were lost.

>>16872871
Don't you have another ban to wait out?

>>16872871
Says the guy spamming fetish shit.

>>16872793
Please don't associate Umineko with anime.

>>16872793
I think humiliation is arousing because you get to see something forbidden. Mion's face crying in embarrassment, for example. If you are attracted to her, you certainly want to see her in every possible situation and experiencing every possible emotion.

What did she mean by this?

>>16872936
No. If you like them, you don't want to see them experiencing genuine pain and humiliation. Finding their embarrassed face cute and teasing them is not the same as maliciously bullying them.

>when your fellow anons discuss the merits of humiliation porn while ignoring a theory that took you like an hour to write up

Now THIS is shitposting.

>>16872987
I want to take time to consider your theory at length before giving a proper response. This other bullshit just takes a second.

Umineko has nothing to do with the bane on society that is anime.

>>16872779
Dude just like either post some Erika or something. Theories are so 2009

>>16872947
Foreshadowing or a red herring perhaps?

Is there an easy way to compile screenshots like that?

>>16872379
I'm pretty sure Bern and Lambda were in Rose Gun Days acting as pieces

>>16872779
By the way, there's still a bit of circumstantial patchwork needed to tie all of this together into a theory that's even remotely cohesive.

First off: One key requirement for becoming Beatrice is solving the Epitaph. Maria is good at riddles and she has a lot of time on her hands, so that much is plausible to me (I know it sounds ludicrous if you think she's just an autistic kid, but I think I've made a decent argument for looking at her character differently). However, I'd say this only makes sense from a narrative standpoint if Maria doesn't keep the gold for herself. She tells her Mother, thinking that if she doesn't have to worry about money she will have more time for her. But that doesn't solve Rosas real problems. She wants more out of life than to take care of her daughter, and now that she is secretly successful the fact that her family doesn't respect her stings even more (and she doesn't want to just come out and say that she found the gold (when the one who really did wasn't her at all!) Her pride makes her want to be acknowledged for her own accomplishments). In addition, the fact that she doesn't spend time with her daughter even though there is nothing standing in her way but herself drives her further into self-hatred and insanity. So Maria doesn't activate the bomb, but she knows that her mother probably did (though she might still make herself believe in a miracle against all odds).

Secondly, if Maria believes that she is modern-day Jesus, her motive for taking on her families sins is the same as Hanyuu playing out the role of a demon so she can take on the sins of the human world. This theme synergizes neatly with Beatrices references to biblical themes and the role she plays for Kanon and Shannon as a kind of miracle-working deiety.
Even if they are not the culprit, you can't ignore the thematic focus on their struggle to find love. Any theory that completely ignores the furniture theme should probably disregarded on narrative grounds. So maybe it could be reinterpreted like this:

Krauss, being in a tight spot financially and wanting to hide it not just from his relatives but also from his own family out of shame for his own shortcomings, makes one of his servants dress up as two different people, making sure to never have "both of them" present at the mansion at the same time except for the time of the family conference. The fact that Shannon and Kanon are the same person is only known to him, Genji and perhaps Kumasawa.
Maria sees through their disguise at one of the family conferences, and gives Shannon a butterfly brooch and instructions on how to bring about a miracle for herself. Note that Maria gives Battler and Jessica the Scorpion charms in episode one, and that her magical description mentions that she is good at enchanting talismans.
At a later point Jessica falls in love with Kanon and things get complicated for our poor servant. Maria then takes on the role of a bad witch to give them someone else to direct their anger toward, and to give them a reason to chose and move forward.
Kanon and Shannons role as furniture can also be interpreted in the sense that she relies on them extensively to cover for Rosa. They serve as the big barrier, the final theory people generally arrive at and are satisfied by, protecting the truth from being discovered by those who have no love for the culprit.

Lastly, what do you think the whole deal with Marias rose was? Just an autistic kid getting too attached to a flower? I think there's a pretty clear metaphorical reading to those scenes, and that's what she's trying to draw peoples (or more specifically Battlers) attention to.

... okay, I'm done for now.

>>16873185
I understand that ship has sailed, but I've never seen this kind of explanation for who Beatrice is before. People usually just assume that it's the culprit hiding behind a witch persona. The story takes on a different quality if you go with "Beatrice is trying to protect someone she loves" instead.

Of course a Yasutrice is fine too.

>>16873378
lambda yes, bern far from it. stella was far too kind and brainless to be remotely close to bern.

>>16873534
Bern is not a bad person, she and Lambda just act however the story they are enjoying needs to get the most enjoyment out of it

>>16873565
Well... maybe, just maybe they played the antagonists to allow Battler and Beato to understand eachother, give Ange an enemy other than her family, even if it was obviously fantasy, which allowed her to transform them into a memory without making them destroy eachother, and destroyed the golden land to make her move on from the past. Maybe Ange only overcame red truth because Bern confronted her with the most unacceptable one she had at her disposal. I mean, it's still pretty far-fetched, but Beato played her role almost perfectly as well. I like evil Bernkastel though.

>>16872947
Eh? I really didn't know the silver spoon thing was true. I initially heard about it in The Witch's House but I thought it was something that the maker made up for the puzzle.,,

>>16873565
Bern is a terrible person and I hope she dies and stop existing.

>>16874131
But Bern is Rika and rika is a nice girl.

>>16873937
It's only kind of true. Sulfur makes silver tarnish so it only works with poisons containing sulfur, like arsenic. It doesn't work with other types of poison

>>16873653
There's also the possibility that they were responsible for Asumu's untimely death, setting the whole tragedy into motion by making it so that Rudolf would marry Kyrie and Battler would leave the family.

>>16862135
Man, it's post like these that make me think that most people who hate Umineko didn't understand it.

>>16874582
Umineko wasn't that hard to understand though.
After all, even a retard like me understood it.

>>16874608
What gets me is how hard of a time they had understanding Battler, writing him off as somebody that's only meant to be cool. Never mind that Battler has a hard time understanding people and his inability to get the full grasp of a situation is what keeps him from reaching the truth constantly.

Hey, there's a Higurashi voice patch for the Steam versions, right? Where can I get it?

>>16875219
https://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=Higurashi+voice+patch

>>16874162
Rika is a good girl.
Bern is a monster.

>>16875219
>Where can I get it?
https://mega.nz/#F!D9RyhBzI!qw4Svzef4ty1IUY4szP74Q
Here. From ep 1 to 4, fully voiced with the new translation.

>>16871340
You mean Battler impregnated Rosa when he was 9?

Any news on the Umineko PS3 to PC port project?

>>16875788
They've currently finished Episodes 1-4 and released a teaser for Chiru a while back. Other than that, I don't know.

Came across a fanwork titled Redaction of the Golden Witch.
Is it worth playing?

>>16875832
As far as I understand the image you posted is not of redaction, but of the Erika fangame. Granted those two things are done by the same guy

>>16875605
I wouldn't put it past Battler.

>>16875832
Also seems like the guy has abandoned the project

>>16872334
>Speaking of witches, what the fuck are Bern and Lambda?
Literally or symbolically?
Literally, they are actual witches, metaphysical beings that travel kakeras to play games with our world for their amusement.
Symbolically, they're called 'Voyager Witches' which is simply a 'reader' that goes through many stories. This is why in the City of Books, a kakera is considered to be a book. Witches are you, but Bernkastel and Lambda can interact with the story itself. However, because they are outsiders, they must establish themselves as literary devices that affect the story. Bernkastel represents the mystery fans outside the story trying to solve the mystery on the Island. Lambda represents the cause and effect that sets up the board (as she did with Higurashi) and Beatrice represents the rules of the game.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lambda again sets up a new catbox as well as picking the next culprit. However, Ryukishi said he found that people understood the rules and limits of the catbox within a closed setting, so perhaps it might be different in the next game.

>>16875924
>Ryukishi said he found that people understood the rules and limits of the catbox within a closed setting

Should be a good indication of him doing something new. I would hope at least. There's only so much you can get out of that scenario

>>16875970
The only thing we've heard about WTC 5 is that it won't be the same as Higurashi and Umineko, so it's likely he'll be changing up the formula this time.

>>16875920
>>16875894
Tried this Erika fangame instead. It was pretty neat overall.

i can't seem to find the rosatrice theory videos, the one time when i actually feel like watching them all. fml

>>16876782
He deleted them. I think someone reuploaded them though

>>16876782
>>16876815
They were reuploaded by someone else though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLhqUzUgxc&t=1771s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA3lLIpVze0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThosMzcaNdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9BxudLgTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDtgRszW5zQ

#HappyJessicaDay everyone!

>>16876815
>>16876835
ty soo much

>>16876849
Right back at you anon!

Finally got around to reading Higurashi's visual novel and holy fuck is it ten million times better than the anime. Tomitake is actually pretty fleshed out and you get a lot more attached to him. Also, instead of just Rena and Mion being suspicious literally EVERYONE seems suspicious and it becomes even more of a clusterfuck trying to figure out who is suspicious and who isn't. (of course I already know answer, but I imagine I'd be twice as confused if I was experiencing it for the first time)

I noticed a hint (?), the villagers call Oishii the "messenger of oyashiro-sama" since whenever he shows up in Hinamizawa the curse strikes. I think that's a hint saying that the villagers aren't involved with the murders, or at least Mion and Rena, since why would that even be a rumor if they knew who did it?

>>16868567
She's not entirely faking it.

why

OH SHIT

>>16877182
Why do they all look like men?

>>16868611
It's pretty easy to interpret things from her perspective while reading the story.

>>16868611
Here's Onikakushi at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVHo0BN0Vks

>>16877209
How do these arcs compare to the original anyway?

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>>16875924
They also represents concepts: Bern the concept of miracles (the one chance in one billion, winning the lottery), and Lambda the concept of certainty (hard work and guts).

They wage opposite concepts, because winning the lottery and assuring your success with hard work are two inherently opposed ways to succeed. Bern's miracles are rare and random, but Lambda's certainty is fickle, and when you have both witches against you, the probability of succeeding is nil.

I love RGD atmoshpere and its kinda fun and relaxing to read it. But I have some gripes with it

>pick what place to go choice section
I understand its difficult to arrange their events in the RGD, because they can pretty much all be done in any order, so hey why not give a player a choice? Except I will have to go through all of them anyways.
VNs like this that are about mood I mostly read lying on bed because it doesn't hold me on the edge of my seat 99% of time. I am fine with mini games,but this just makes me annoying having to get up everytime to pick a choice, that could have been made linear anyways.
>Ryukishi making whores care about their pride
I could not understand this, the whole EP 1 is about their "dignity", I know he would like to pretend they are more than that and that the whole story is about everyone in the club having the time of their youth, but he can't appreciate "ladies of the evening" for what they are.
I was thinking it was because making them whores would be dehumanizing, but he chose the damn story theme himself. Yes ,they breathe, eat,sleep just like all humans. But what makes them qualify as humans more than say Yasu? I believe that what separates human from animal is that they have values. And they have not sold those values in order to eat.
I may sound like I give too much of shit, but I can't take Ryukishi serious at times when he tries to make a point about a whores dignity.

>translation
I know this isn't Ryukishi's fault, but rather that of the Witch Hunt. I appreciate their time and effort to translate it,am thankful for it, but compared to Umineko, this was miles worse. Its full of misspelling errors, and sometimes it makes me wonder if its machine translated.

It is good work, and am enjoying it though. Can't wait to hop on to EP2.

>>16873025
>when someone makes a half-hearted promise to come back for you and promptly forgets about it

>>16879986
I'm not that Anon, but I liked your theory. I can't really say too much on top of it because I'm both tired but also because I can't think of anything else to say.
So, yeah. Good job, Anon.

>>16879997
Thanks anon. So long as at least one person enjoyed reading it I'm satisfied.

>>16876268
Where can I find the Erika fan game?

>>16879885
>can't imagine whores having pride and being great people

What kind of a sheltered life have you been living? Everyone is human, some have to do different things to survive. Pride doesn't really come in to play until after you've secured your basic living needs

>>16879885
>dignity
Are you humiliation anon? I love your posts.

If the metaworld is the land of souls and Meta-Battler is part of Battler's soul... Does that mean that Bern is also just part of Rika's soul and Lambda is part of Takano's soul?

It makes sense. I don't believe she's just a Miyoko expy.

>>16879885
Choice selection doesn't matter. It's more of a 'pick which side story you want to read first' type. It doesn't change the plot.

>I could not understand this, the whole EP 1 is about their "dignity",
It's weird because Ryukishi somewhat tiptoes on what are ladies of the evening. In Japan, they're more comfort girls that talk to you while you get drunk and that's all there is. But it's obvious as well that some are prostitutes, yet Ryukishi doesn't outright say it except when some 'bad people' want to call them shit. And it's weird because prostitutes do make a lot of money during war time occupation but he doesn't want to say the word for some reason.

>It is good work, and am enjoying it though. Can't wait to hop on to EP2.
Enjoy the ride, it gets better by Season 2, and Season 3 is up there with Higurashi ep 6 and Umineko ep 5.

>>16880378
Bernkastel is the collective negative energy collected by Hanyuu to give Rika a fighting chance. So while Bern is ''''''technically''''''' a part of Rika, she is completely seperated and not Rika at all.
No clue about Lambda since she existed before the story began in Higurashi.

>>16880458
What about the idea that Bernkastel is the meta version of the "other Rika" who chose to live in a perfect world in Rei?

>>16880352
I understand that comes first. Its natural. Its easy to speak about pride after you just ate. Excuse me for not clearing it but my understanding is very different as to what is human.
I understand it that the one who has a way to say no to his urges and puts his values first is someone different from animal. Take for example Rose Haibara. She is certainly human. She disapproves favouritism, cares for everybody all the same, gives herself for the good of her fellow human, and above all, gets over her own existence for the greater cause.
That would make her human in my book.


I would also want you to consider this.
An animal only cares for the following:
Survival (at any cost)
Care only for its own kin
Its own pleasure

It may be very disfugured way of thinking about it, but the way I think of it, those that you would say are "human", probably tick all of the boxes of an animal for me.
I know "human" is just an animal after all, and in real world there are humans, but I believe it isn't a title to be given anyone that can speak non-gibberish.

>>16880362
Unfortunately, no. His post are great laugh for me too!

>>16880316
https://whabroad.wordpress.com/2016/08/16/erika-project-through-act-1-release/

>>16880538
Is that guy just writing this in his freetime? Seems like kind of a waste that he has practically zero presence outside of his blog.

>>16880571
He has already abandoned this project but the work that is up there can provide a handful hours of entertainment.

>>16880496
So by my understanding going from your Rose Haibaras description, what a human in your eyes is someone who

- values equality
- tries to advance the wellbeing of their collective (fellow human/greater cause), even at their own expense.

Something like that?
I might be biased since I am surrounded by animals every day by your definition, but to me what you merely described is a "selfless" person. As far as I've seen there's not that many 'humans' around. The people I've talked to realize that once they die, that's it, so instead of trying to improve the world that will be after they die, they try to enjoy their life before they die. Which seems perfectly fine to me.

If you tell me that I have to sacrifice my wellbeing for some sort of an abstract idea of greater good, I'd refuse. It's like the crabs in the bucket analogy, but the bucket the crabs are in is inside another bigger bucket and the bigger bucket is inside another bigger bucket and to infinity. There's no point in getting out of the bucket, so you might as well struggle to improve your own wellbeing.

>>16880615
Rose Haibara is basically Pink Jesus.

>>16880625
She died for Japanese sins

>>16880475
That's just the 100 year old Rika that has been hoping from kakera to kakera. Rika felt that living for 100 years made her different from the original Rika at the start, thus called herself Furuderica Bernkastel. But at the end of Rei, she left that name to accept being Rika rather than a hopping witch. By creating this distinction, it gave a personality to the negative memories Hanyuu had been collection. At the end of Rei, Hanyuu says that she has a new friend, and that's likely the Bernkastel we know.
But after being given a name, Bernkastel felt betrayed that she couldn't have a happy end like Rika and broke free of Hanyuu to bring an end to miracles everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2KbybRxJLQ

Bernkastel knows this and it's why she accepts people like me hating her, and wants someone to end her suffering. Just imagine her crying, with a smile on her face as you strangle her. That's how I see Bernkastel.

>>16880693
I don't think you have to read the "please kill the cruel me" line literally. It works just as well if she wants to leave Furudo Rika behind and become her own person, but she knows she can't do it by her own strength because she doesn't have any hope left.

>>16880615
Yes, that is how I understand it.

>what you merely described is a "selfless" person.
And yes, that is but a part of thing that for me constitutes a human, there are others as well such as love for technological progress,solidarity, making your existence contribute to the world in some way too. I would say virtues make a man.
I believe that 1000 of years ago there were even less humans, coming to this day and age there are more of them. In future there will be even more of them. Eventually (here's a hoping to), machines may replace us. You won't need to fight for the bread you will eat tomorrow.
Human will separate more and more from the animal. This will not however happen in many lifetimes. It is what would be like fully evolving.
Not sure about chronology, but I believe Homo sapiens existed in the same world, at the same time as Neanderthal. Its not like Neanderthal was replaced at the same time Homo sapiens arrived, but rather gradually.
This conversation now reminds me of Newtypes from Gundam if you are familiar with series.

I am aware I myself may not be the kind of "full" human I want to be, but I am giving it my all to live up to expectations I set for myself.

Don't confuse this with some holier than thou attitude though, I may have said whores, but I appreciate them for what they are, I won't judge someone that obtains what he wants through the means he chooses, acts the way he does or values different things than I do. It is that persons life, and that persons story.
I just don't want to see something be made out to be more than it really is that's all.

>>16880781
I want to kiru Berun!

>>16880693
Which reminds me. I haven't quite read Higurashi yet but Hanyuu is a literal God right?
Does that rank higher than witches or creators? Also what happened to her at the end?

>>16880803
Han(you) was forced into becoming a god so people could blame someone for their sins and live together in peace, so after K1s crew disproved the idea that such a sacrifice is necessary by showing that they were able to forgive eachother she no longer had to take that position.

If there are no demons in the human world there's no need for a sacrifice, and so Hanyuu was finally able to live out life as a human.

>>16880803
Why are you asking for spoilers if you haven't read it yet?

>>16880781
I don't care if I don't have to, I chose to read it that way. I want to strangle Bernkastel.

>>16880803
Read the VN you dumb idiot instead of asking people to spoil it for you.
But if you want an answer, she is lower than witches. Hanyuu is a physical being that is between the line of meta and physical world.

>>16877104
I'm not sure how much to say, since I don't know how much of the anime you've seen. Don't want to spoil anything...

>>16877182
>>16877293
Probably a parody of something or other.

>>16879885
>>pick what place to go choice section

Yeah, it reminds me of the game principle of "If it's a pointless/obvious choice, don't make it a choice."

I think you'll have a good time with EP 2 of RGD, though, it really ratchets up!

<- Unfortunate typo somewhat related.

>>16880803
>People who haven't read Hou not realizing that Hanyuu is a hive mind of alien spores from a meteorite

>>16881153
>implying the VN didn't make that clear

>>16881153
>People who haven't talked to Ryukishi not realizing that Hinamizawa is actually a computer simulation run by the Umineko universes secret scientific community run by Kinzo corp.

>>16881204
i liked how bern tried to spoil the vn of higurashi that lambdadel hasnt finished yet in one of the teaparties

>>16880983
>>16881078
Because I'm not one to be fully invested in spoilers.
I almost always end up looking for minor spoilers to confirm or reassure myself about things.

Kinda like an autistic Ange, I do also follow a work to the end hoping that an unfavorable spoiler was conveyed or interpreted wrongly and that it was truly something else.
That and finding out the circumstances that led up to something can be fun too.

But in true I am probably just not going to ever get started on Higurashi despite being praised at the best work even though I really really love Umineko and both Higanbana & RGDs are amazing.

All these sprite/voice/translation variations issues. I watched three loops of the question arc though.

>>16881141
Its fucking ridiculous.

>>16881497
Let me guess. You don't play the combat minigame sequences either?

>>16881517
Ding Dong you wrong.
I make special commitment just for the minigames.
Its not as easy as before though, because I have a heavy and clunky mouse.Getting 7-9 hits in is all I can manage.