/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>16861207
It will be over seven years before you get a meaningful reply to this thread.

lolita complex, so basically pedo and the term is sexual. Some might argue that the term could be used to describe any young female character, but the sexual aspect is always apparent when the character is called a loli

>>16861223
>7 years

>>16861207
The word, if applied to someone, basically means the same as milf except towards younger women.

>>16861228
Hi gogem, you fucking shithead, I thought we already went over loli complex being a derivative term taken from work lolita which has a shortening loli, not other way around. If you say this is sexual again, I will buy a ticket and go fucking throttle you

>>16861264
Well, the term loli is still sexual

>>16861264
>lolita isnt sexual
pick up a fucking book you illiterate.

>>16861264
but it's sexual

>>16861264
I think it's funny that you posted a reaction pic of one of the most blatantly sexual animes involving kids in recent times.

>>16861267
Are you saying that loli = sexualised cartoon child, by definition?

>>16861289
>animes
Opinion discarded

>>16861291
No

>>16861284
Is this sexual?

>>16861298
No, the term is.

>>16861298
No and it's not loli either.

>>16861300
It's true, some times I write 'loli' on a piece of paper and fap to it.

>>16861249
I don't see anything sexual with "gothic loli". Gothic milf however is sexual. For this analogy to stand you must make the claim that loli = cartoon child I'd like to fuck, by definition. Unless you do that then the analogy does not hold

depending on which story of the universe you believe "loli" is either western originating and short for "lolita" (unlikely since english users dont have a word shortening fetish) or japanese originating (fucking duh) and short for "lolicon".
but in either case it's sexual.

>>16861297
Okay. So I call Kanna a loli. What does this mean to you?

Now I call Yotsuba a loli too. What does this mean to you?

just when /jp/ can't stop being the best board they also have the best general on 4chan too

>>16861316
it means you think about Kanna and Yotsuba in sexual contexts.

>>16861314
Nice theories you got there googs

http://poal.me/7e5asl

>>16861319
I don't think of Yotsuba in a sexual context. Now what?

Words describe the world, not the other way around.

>>16861325
What a dumb poll, it can mean both depending on context.

>>16861305
Lolita fashion is not related to lolita complex, you fucking retard.

>>16861331
Find me cases where loli = lolicon

>>16861332
You're right it was a shit example. Ignore the gothic part and my point still stands.

>>16861335
Learn the origin of the word and you will understand.

>>16861329
the user of words is also part of the world to be described.
so a word can also describe the user of the word.
check and mate.

>>16861207
the term loli is inherently sexual, since it ultimately is derived from "lolita", which was a term a pedo character in a book used to describe a little girl he wanted to fuck

>>16861337
Thanks for declaring defeat.
>Learn the origin of the word and you will understand.
Ok, shall we?
pedo <- Pedophile <- paedo <- young boy
So if you call me a pedo, you're calling me a young boy.

>>16861264
If you want to call a little girl you call them a little girl, shoujo, youjo, and such. If you want to fuck them, you call them a loli.

>>16861337
The origin of the word is irrelevant. It's is how it's being used that matters. You don't even know what you're arguing for.

>>16861342
haha good joke m8

>>16861352
Pretending to be retarded and misunderstanding simple context won't gain you any favors.

>>16861356
>It's is how it's being used that matters
it's used in a sexual sense

>>16861357
See >>16861356
The original meaning doesn't mean shit if it's different from the current use. Words evolve with time, get over it.

>>16861361

>>16861329
go figure

>>16861351
>it ultimately is derived from "lolita", which was a term a pedo character in a book used to describe a little girl he wanted to fuck

That word was "nymphet" and he wasn't pedo by way of wanting to fuck girls in puberty, not prepubescent.

>>16861368
>idiot uses word incorrectly
>time to change the meaning

>>16861365
The only context in which loli isn't used sexually is from newfags like you who don't understand what it means, the word you're looking for is Shōjo.

This thread is embarrassing.

>>16861368
>>16861329
What the fuck are you doing calling Yotsuba a loli? Stop being retarded.

>>16861369
Right, I confused it. The title was lolita.

Well regardless it was eventually adopted in Japan to mean pedophilia anyway. I'm a little confused as to why anyone gets in a hissy fit over the term. Go one step further, the term in Japan is EQUIVALENT to pedophilia, so including 3D. Here in the western internet we mainly use it to refer to 2D.

>>16861378
>my use of the word is x
>your use of the word is y
>y is correct because i say so therefore you're wrong
Good argument

>>16861351
Actually Lolita was the nick name for the girl, not a description of the man.

>>16861382
Loli is a body type, that's all

>>16861386
If I start saying red means blue does that make it fact?

http://dic.pixiv.net/a/ロリ
Now shut up.

>>16861386
>my use of the word is x and here are the sources and etymology
>my use of the word is y because i think thats how it works
back at you

>>16861400
Show me where it is said that loli is used as short for lolicon
Show me examples
Then we can talk

>>16861404
He did.

Guess you must be bored today.

>>16861406
He didn't.

>>16861398
Thank you.

>>16861408
If you say so, m89

>>16861298
That's not a loli by the way.

>>16861404
apparently it's impossible to do this because you dont recognize loli as short for lolicon in even the most obvious of contexts, you always seem able to say that it is referring specifically to girls instead of the genre.

>>16861420
What is it then?

>>16861391
This is exactly what you're saying, and you're wrong because loli is not sexual by definition. This was agreed upon here>>16861291 >>16861297

But you can ignore all of this. Start anew. Tell me your definition

Here's mine: An anime/VN/LN character that is a child and is female.

>>16861425
So you have nothing. Okay.

>>16861428
"You're"? I basically just came into the conversation.

Your definition is wrong and I don't really care.

>>16861428
I did not agree with you.
Loli means a female child character that is portrayed in a sexuel manner. Go neck yourself already

>>16861425
You call a girl a loli. You call the genre loli. Strange, it's almost as if words can have more liberal meanings than you think.

>>16861426
A little girl (少女), I want these new wave stupid weebs out of 4chan.

>>16861434
>>16861435
brilliant

>>16861398
I think pixiv knows better than you fags

>>16861438
Not him but you could argue if you're sexualizing her, then it's a loli.

Otherwise don't say loli, このロリコンどもめ

>>16861426
Looks like a toddler to me.

>>16861428
They don't even have to be a child, they just have to look like one.
People call Illya from Fate/Stay Night a loli despite the fact that she's 18.
And she doesn't have a h-scene either so its not sexual.
People just call her a loli because she looks like a cute little girl, its a simple as that.

>>16861444
That's talking about the fashion which is kind of a moot point.

>>16861451
Did you forget to read it before replying?

>>16861451
So you can't read.

>>16861444
You picked the wrong line to show. I can't be bothered to screenshot but further down it says

"However, when it is used abbreviated as Loli, it is often used as a meaning as the former "girl or young girl". → See Lolita for details."

>>16861453
>>16861454
Am I missing something? It says it's talking about the fashion.

/shrug

>>16861450
Body type, and a desire to fuck

Or are you forgetting the number of perverts on 4chan?

>>16861459
>Abbreviation for Lolita. A tag attached to a picture mainly depicting a girl (a young girl)
>Abbreviation for Lolita. A tag attached to a picture mainly depicting a girl (a young girl)
>Abbreviation for Lolita. A tag attached to a picture mainly depicting a girl (a young girl)
>Abbreviation for Lolita. A tag attached to a picture mainly depicting a girl (a young girl)

>>16861450
The fact that she doesn't have a sex scene doesn't mean that she can't be sexualised. That being said, assuming that she is never sexualised by anyone, ever, she is still a loli.

Sexualised is a predicate to loli. It is not part of the definition

>>16861460
People outside of 4chan use the word too

>>16861460
>Or are you forgetting the number of perverts on 4chan?
Irrelevant.

>>16861464
Calm down, son.

>>16861455
Point is, nowhere does it say that it's short for lolicon.

>>16861471
Not at all.

>>16861470
How exactly would you know?

And if they do, what's wrong with them?

>>16861473

ITT: Perverts in denial.

Just embrace it.

>>16861481

>>16861483
Basically this.

Also newfags, an eternal problem.

Why would you WANT to call a girl a loli if you weren't sexualizing them?

>>16861483
I fap to loli all day every day, that doesn't make loli inherently sexual.

>>16861489
Because she has the loli body type?

>>16861490
Just say she's a little girl, you fucking pedo

>>16861492
little girls exist in 3D too, lolis don't.

>>16861495
funny you should say that

>>16861498
Post more loli Nozomi

>>16861498
And I'm deleting the file cause I don't like one of the images here, it's weirding me the fuck out.

Anyway, the results when you google loli in katakana are largely 3D.

>>16861480
>the definition of a word is contingent on a community that attaches a certain predicate to the original definition
Yeah, no.

>>16861483
>>16861489
I love loli and 95% of the time when I say loli I mean it in a sexual context. That being said, "sexualised" is a predicate. It is not part of the definition.

Pic related:
Look at this cute loli. I don't see her in a sexual context. I just find her so cute! Is cute inherent to the definition of loli, or is it a predicate? Someone else could say that she looks ugly, and that she's an ugly loli. Is ugly inherent to the definition? Someone else could say that they would love to fuck Satori because, as a loli, she arouses him. Is the capacity for arousal inherent to the definition? No.