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beato

The Ushiromiya Eagle doesn't turn back.

>>16813627
anon

>>16813903

BEATO

Why does Higurashi's s0undtrack feel so lackluster compared to Umineko's?

>>16813931
ANON

>>16814062

^__^

>>16813600
Who is translating it?

>>16814129
DoctorDiablo

>>16814072

Hotarubi tankobon-raws vol.1
http://www60.zippyshare.com/v/0uM6D4On/file.html

>>16814020
Well, until the 5th game, he was just using random royalty-free music. I remember him telling a story at ACEN about how Dai emailed him telling that the story was great, but the music sucked, and offered to do tracks for him.

>>16814156

Thanks, the Megaupload wasn't working for me for some reason.

>>16814181

John Carpenter did this with his early movies. They would run around libraries looking for old stock big band music.

So I decided to play Myth to kill time waiting for an Umineko re-read.

I hear it only has one ero-scene. Do you think it's safe to play the game in the living room instead of in my own room? It's way cozier that way, just have to make sure there's no out-of-nowhere ero content to disturb the roommates.

>>16814181
I still have no idea how he got so lucky with Dai taking interest in Higurashi.

>>16814181

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEpZq8mT9Ts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqEtLDN1Ohc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AdJOCrtOBw

I really like some of them but some also don't sound all too good

>>16814518
Why does K1 look so satisfied in the last one?
It reminds me of ZUN music.

Can anyone upload Sui scenario scripts? I'd like to read Higurashi with rpcs3.

It is literally impossible to answer Kumasawa's riddle in the 8th game if you have no nip knowledge. Also, what was the answer to Genji's riddle? I'm so fucking dumb.

>>16814518
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDzd9ydZ24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb2bFXo48T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTTd3Tq7L_0

The part after this song shifts keys is also pretty damn good, and if I had any experience with writing music I'd totally re purpose it as part of a different track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGMPIRvYnMU

>>16813597
When did you realize delusions exist for a reason, and that you should engage with people in an emotionally intelligent way, give them the time and freedom they need to outgrow them instead of forcing your own truth on them?

Before reading R07s work I used to think that being rational and talking about problems on a purely argumentative basis was the right way to approach life. I never really thought about things like giving people an easy way to change their mind without putting themselves in a position of emotional vulnerability (like by discussing problems by seemingly talking about something else rather than stating what you think directly) or going along with their "games" for a bit to show them that you're willing to engage with their reality to a certain extent.
Then again, maybe these are basic things and I'm just a social retard.

Just curious, since I've never seen whatever the kanji for Umineko is. From what I know of Japanese, you could phonetically translate that as seacats, as in the OP's topic. However, I'm not quite stupid or ignorant enough to assume that's the case as I'm aware that it could very easily be something else entirely.

So tell me, /jp/, is it seacats, or is it just a meme that started over someone being a dumbass?

>>16815072
Umi=Sea
Neko=Cat
Umineko=Seagull

>>16815180
now do pineapple

>>16815180
To-rabu RU
Toraburu
Trouble

>>16815012
yes, in general the truth hurts and is boring/unimaginative to a lot of people. So people don't want to hear it. And I kind of get that. Sure, enjoy your fantasies if it helps you cope with reality, but when this fantasy starts to disrupt other people's lives or starts to influence your decisions that influence others then that needs to stop.
A line between decision making and fantasy must be kept

>>16815970
That's the issue.

Okay, you manage to create an entire genre of horror VN with your first try, and then manage to deconstruct the fuck out of your first attempt in your second, with mind-fuck meta elements out of thin air.

Where do you go from here? Where can you go? You can't be more meta mindfuck than Umineko. You can't just adapt Higurashi with a new setting. So what?

I think the best bet would be to mix Higurashi with a new genre, just like Umineko was heavily tinted by mystery novels. Science fiction Higurashi? Lovecraftian Higurashi? Steampunk Higurashi? Isekai Higurashi?

>>16816096
>alright so this beginner VN writer got lucky with higurashi and the horror genre, but where do you from here, everything's been done already
>he makes umineko
This is why you're merely a pawn. Go big or go home. No breaks.

>>16816096
I think the big thing R07 could expand on at this point are the metafictional/metaphysical aspects of when they cry. You have witches that represent concepts like certainty and miracles inhabiting a realm in which the limitless possibilities of the human world are all present and visible at the same time. There's tons of potential for a good story there.

Here's something I came up with: A group of witches decides to hold a contest about who can control a world. Each chooses a champion and imbues them with their power. Unable to achieve a clear result they repeat the game over and over again, until ultimately their pawns become self-aware, rebel against their masters and seize a world where they can live together.
Each champion has their own little faction and they have friendships and rivalries and each loop focuses one of their stories, depiction the other factions as the antagonist.
Maybe you could actually include choices and have branching story lines this time around.

I want to spend a relaxing day together with Belphegor.

>>16816981
>not bullying Lucifer/Satan

>>16816988
Depends on what you're in the mood for.

Looks like someone saved and reuploaded the Rosatrice videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLhqUzUgxc

Am I the only one who feels a deep admiration for Ryukishi as a storyteller? His writing may be rough and raw, but it sure as fuck is compelling. He really puts his heart into it.

Even relatively simple characters like Mion manage to feel very real and extremely likable. It's amazing. By the end of the story, you know all the characters so well that you could easily write some fanfiction without ever wondering "how would this character react to this?". They are very well developed, and so are their relationships with the other characters. The worldbuilding is also pretty damn good.

And the touching moments are genuinely touching. Something as trivial as Ooishi risking his retirement money can make for a very emotional scene. There are so many great moments... Seriously, I really admire this guy.

>feelerino when no seacats covers

>>16817285
Ryukishi's work has basically become my standard when it comes to judging good character depth. I'll often find myself wondering, "How do these characters compare to Ryukishi's" when reading other stories.

So... Was Mion's 80s Japanese pussy confirmed hairy near the beginning of Higurashi or were they talking about K1's tiny asian dick? I don't remember at all.

The foreshadowing.

I think, quite suddenly, I've realized just why I have such admiration and respect and just overall love for Ryukishi07 and all the works he creates, and the root of that is Comiket.

For those who don't know, Ryukishi07 is the creator of the When They Cry series. He writes visual novels, though he's worked on other things as well, as part of collaboration (which is the process of creating visual novels to begin with, with all the background music, the visuals, the animating process-). He sells his work at Comiket, the largest self-published comic book convention in the world. He has been doing this since Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni: Onikakushi-hen, the very first of his novels and, as far as we know with his pen-name, the first thing he's published ever, came out in August 2002.

From there, he's gained an amazing reputation, had anime adapted from his work (which is not common, at least not when the visual novel has only two people working on the story and the game save for the music) and has worked with other companies since due to the success of Higurashi.

His visual novels are freaking HUGE. Seriously, they are longer than some novels people work on for years. And he has put them out, twice a year save for 2003, since Higurashi.

Sure, they may be very guttural at times. They are raw, filled with pure emotion, narration devolving into screams, or cries, or words of joy. Yet this is the strength of them, they are pure emotion and pure heart. Every single story, I know he's poured his soul into, and from this he has become successful. There was no publishing company save for him, his brother and his best friend. There was no chance this would catch on. There was, actually, a very high chance that his work wouldn't make as much money as it cost time to put into it.

But he sold it anyway, with his charmingly poor art and his love of mysteries, and it's grown so big.

Because he loves telling stories, scaring people or making them feel something. And he took a shot.

And despite everything, he's so kind with his fans, so grateful and thankful. He's genuinely happy when people read his work.

And that's simply the most inspiring thing in the world to me. That's why Ryukishi is one of my role models.

>>16817393
Compared to most authors, Ryukishi seems exceptionally loved by his fans.

Maria be cute!
Cute!
Hella cute!
Hecka cute as heck!
Heckishly cute!
Heckerino cuta!
CUTA!

>>16817521
Who is cuter?

>>16817531
Ange is cuter as an angsty teenager with armpit stubble, a hairy pussy and an attitude. So lewd! I want to humiliate her into suicide!

Maria is super cute, but she must smell like pee because she's too stubborn and probably spends days indulging her autistic obsessions without taking a bath.

Loli Ange is super cute too, but she's not the original Ange. And she's a bit too young to have a real personality, which makes her hard to sexualize. She probably can't feel sexual shame! That's no fun!

>>16817316
>>16817540
Will you STOP

I want EVA to step on me!

>>16813600
Which chapter comes after this one?

>>16817916
Only time can tell. If anything, I'd like to see Kotohogushi, Miotsukushi or Yoigoshi.

>>16817837
Same.

>>16818010
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.

>>16814181
What's Dai up to these days?

Ep 5 manga is the best
This is an objective fact

>>16817430
You know authors of things like nisekoi who just write pointless baits for you to hook on to hoping that he'll deliver this time. This next chapter there's no way he won't deliver. Things like that draw people in, but it doesn't get the author any respect because everyone knows he's just trying to get as many people reading his work as possible, without considering whether what he's writing is interesting.

That and there's not a lot of 07th expansion fans

God, it's beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT167XU_7_s

Umineko should've had angels and such, the Eiserne Jungfrau's superiors show up and offer the Ushiromiya a plea deal:

Battler and Yasu go to Hell forever, and they get to go back to 1986's family conference without them existing, erased.

Shit hits the fan, arguing, fighting between everyone in the family, etc in the end, they decide that it wasn't Yasu or Battler but their own rotten nature and they all firmly OBJECTION to it.

Then you hear the seagulls cry, one of the angels giggles and mass applauding fills the area, after that it cuts to a shot of 1986 Rokkenjima and fades to black.

What do you guys think?

>>16818686
Ryukishi is a pagan, he would never allow such heaven nonsense

But yes that is a cool idea, only that instead of treading between fantasy and mystery it jumps in the fantasy territory

The guy that was doing the youtube lets play who thought Shannon was Beatrice joked that Battler promised Beatrice to come back in a horse
You just can't make this shit up

>>16818727
What is his channel called?

>>16816848
>Isekai Higurashi.
>A loser is transported into a fantasy world.
>Given the power of Miracle by an evil Witch, to rewind time again and again until he gets something right.
>Full of suffering and death.

Wait a minute.

>>16818715
Ryukishi is Christian!

>>16818786
Not sure how to interpret your post senpai. Just because you have a fantasy setting with timeloops functioning as a sort of respawn doesn't mean it'll turn into another SaO, if that's what you're alluding to.
The thing that makes R07s writing stand out is how well thought-out his character beliefs, motivations and constellations are, and a politicizised global setting should give him plenty of room to have those ideologies unfold into a society, make different worldviews clash with eachother and show the problems created by the political aspects of human existence more, where until now he has mostly just focused on interpersonal relationships.

I think that's where Ryukishi was trying to go with trianthology to some extent.

>>16818953
Have you played Rose Guns Days? It's a bit like that, with clashing political ideologies in an alternate history.

>>16818964
RGD is the one o7th expansion work I havent read, mostly because the post ww2 yakuza setting is too straightforwardly realistic for my taste. It just isn't the same without that element of the supernatural.

>>16818189
It has the best art style

Could you tell me what umineko song does this track look like?
https://youtu.be/aTBg8PArL00

>>16818739
Narnith
I'm inclined to think he is legit because he made 5 hours worth of videos after Ep 4 explaining his theories and many of them were wrong

>>16819224
Yeah, I stumbled upon his videos recently and I believe he's for real as well. Haven't caught up with him yet because of the insane pace at which he's going, but the way he changed his views over the first couple episodes is organic.

>>16818421
Beautiful, also this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6YgNtJNr6A

>>16819378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd5Vt_qct0s and the way its leitmotif is reframed in https://youtu.be/MNl4PNFubvQ?t=1m35s

>>16819583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ekl2p3Is7E is pretty good too
I wonder if it never gets posted because it only played during Maria's autism adventures

>>16818715

Well the last pan and cut to 1986 would be ambiguous, after the Ushiromiya's decision. Maybe they were permitted anyway, maybe not.

The best Higurashi let's play is Fuandon's. He enjoyed the story, took it seriously, got invested in it and theorized all the way through. 9/10, it was like reading it for the first time again. No original sprites, though.

I'd say the best Umineko let's play is the one by Mr250zxdzero. I didn't like him at first, because he was always laughing at something, but he does take the story seriously and avoids spoilers like a madman.

Berunkasteru laughing at your small dickens!

>>16819671
Ya know, I think the reason why a lot of people are so put off by maria is not so much that they dislike her as a character, but that they think of her as the type of person they would not want to associate with, which is why watching her daily life from close proximity makes them uncomfortable. It's the same phenomenon we get in Higanbana: People are careful not to get too close to the weird kid in their class, or even admit to themselves that they sympathize with them because of the social consequences, and that kind of mental barrier is present in them even when they are reading fiction.

I enjoyed the mariage sorciere stuff and Maria taking Sakutarou out to town. Of course, like Ange said it's ultimately nothing more than a sad illusion she has created so she can hold on to her hopes for a better future, but it's not something I find cringeworthy. In spite of everything Maria manages to believe that her mother cares about her, and she hasn't resorted to passing on the bad things she has experienced to others. As far as coping mechanisms go that's pretty good.

>>16819748
Never thought I'd see anyone mention fuandon on here, given how small his channel is. The world really is smaller than you'd think.

It's been a year since I finished Umineko and I have a feeling that I will probably never forget
Ryukishi's wild ride. The amount of emotional shit mixed with the great music make it truly extraordinary experience. One can only hope that someday we'll get something better.

>>16819748
Thinks AND enjoys the ride, will probably solve Umineko tier
Narnith

Tries to think and fails to do so but enjoys the ride tier
Mr250

Intellectual rapist who thinks with an irrational hatred for Maria and anime tier
Galactic Pokemon

Braindead retard who never started thinking but pretends he did tier
Sobata

Without love it cannot be seen tier
That one 14 year old literal autist furry

>>16819748
I'd watch WTC related stuff on Youtube, but I don't want it recommending me infuriating crap like anime adaptation videos (full of cancerous comments), "goriest anime scenes" videos, reviews of the Higurashi anime, and shit like that.

They are mostly idiots, but there's always someone that could have liked the original VNs but ended up watching the anime instead, thought it was pretty decent and completely forgot about the series afterwards. I hate to see something I love being misrepresented and losing potential fans.

It's the same with a lot of great books. How many people have actually read The Neverending Story? It's a fantastic novel, meta as fuck. But everybody is more familiar with the shitty movie. When you recommend someone the book, they are always like "well, I'm not really interested in it, I'll read it eventually I guess..." or "I watched the movie and didn't think much of it". They can't even imagine how good it is, but they think they already know what it's like because they watched some bastardization of it.

Same with Frankenstein, Peter Pan, Dr. Jeyll and Mr. Hyde... Frankenstein's monster has turned into a braindead creature incapable of speech, Peter Pan has been disneyfied, while the original character was an eternal immature asshole with an extremely limited short-term memory and no long-term memory. Mr. Hyde is seen as some kind of second personality that takes over the doctor's body, while the original concept was great, he was more like a mask that allowed him to do whatever he wanted without consequences.

They have all been completely misrepresented and eclipsed by their adaptations, turned into uninteresting and trivial stories that people don't give a shit about. They actively discurage people from reading the source material, even though it's completely fascinating.

>>16819671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6vALMSQHQ8

>>16819671

My unpopular opinion is that Maria's daily scenes in EP4 were good and I really liked reading them especially how you slowly realized that Rosa wasn't working and how alone Maria was

>>16819789
>Without love it cannot be seen tier
That would be 1CrazyFoxx1. His Higurashi let's play is painful to watch. He constantly skips important scenes because he doesn't think they are important (I remember him literally groaning, complaining and skipping the text because the ending of Minagoroshi was "too long" and he didn't give a shit about all the villagers being killed).

I think he also skipped part of Takano's backstory or talked through it without paying attention because he didn't like her. And I think he censored the video where Satoko appears naked and said things during it that made him come off as a disgusting moralfag.

There is also this completely autistic chick that had one of the first Higurashi let's plays on Youtube back then. Katidid92 or something. She was entertaining to watch and gave Beato a really nice voice, but she would sometimes go on long autistic rants about her personal life in the middle of the video, was a complete moralfag too, her videos often sounded like crap and you could barely hear what she was saying...

And she eventually ended up deleting her entire Higurashi let's play because she wanted to "remake" it with the same audio problems but shittier sprites, but never finished it. Then she deleted it again and tried to remake it with even shitter sprites, but decided to abandon Youtube shortly after. Only to come back after a while with terrible "gaming" videos.

Fuandon was a godsend. The idea that someone read Higurashi blind without being spoiled by the anime beforehand makes me feel happy.

>>16819789
>Thinks AND enjoys the ride, will probably solve Umineko tier
I don't think anyone can solve Umineko. The hints are there, but nobody is autistic enough to go back and read the "boring" first part of EP2 all over again. It was my favorite part of the novel even before I could see all the Yasu references, but most people hate it.

>>16819926
Narnith actually did go back after EP4 when he came to the conclusion that Shannon was the primary killer and said that the only thing he could find that related to Battler's sin was him promising to come back to her.

>>16819926
Narnith actually did go back after EP4 when he came to the conclusion that Shannon was Beatrice and said that the only thing he could find that related to Battler's sin was him promising to come back to her.

>>16819926
He has a decent understanding of japanese, suspects Shannon/Kanon and is autistic enough to reread whole scenes when he comes up with a theory
He even wrote down all the reds on the first episodes
If he rereads previous chapters he could end up figuring either the epitaph or the Shkanon bullshit

>>16818953
>He doesn't know about the best anime of the past 6 years.

The joke is that the Evangelion of Isekai has a plot about a time-resetting hero being granted his power by a evil witch.

Of course if you don't know that masterpiece of animation the joke is kinda wasted.

>>16819940
Sounds enjoyable. It's just that reading Umineko with those sprites and all the text confined inside that tiny box is just... weird. And while the voice acting is good, I think the novel reads better without voices. You can go at your own pace and feel the intensity of the action scenes and red/blue fights, without having to wait for them to stop talking after you read the text. Oh, and accidentally skipping to the next piece of dialogue while they are talking kind of ruins the immersion. They just stop mid-sentence like robots. Also, such a great soundtrack shouldn't have voices talking over it.

>>16819862
Wait, did the monster speak in the book? What the fuck?

>>16819963
I read Umineko without voices and I regret it
Kinzo, Erika and Beatrice are just spectacular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNaaqm8xPU

R07 Mion best Mion. AlcheMion isn't bad either, but she's missing somehting. Mangagamer does nothing but garbage, including their translations. The fact that Witch Hunt is helping them retranslate Umineko is simply disgusting.

>>16820025
that left one is full
>tfw too intelligent for hinamizawa syndrome

>>16820025
The left is sassy, the middle one is cool and collected, and the right one has down syndrome. What happened?

>>16820025
for the most part, MG sprites > alch sprites, but mion looks really weird. it's a bit of a shame since she's the best character. ryu07 sprites are the best though.

Does anyone have the Ange version?

>>16820174
There was an Ange version?

The sight of the naked body of a loli is so corrupting and tempting it should never be bared, even in solitude: for though the eyes of men may look away the eyes of the Lord are always watching.

>>16820179
Yes, but I can't find it.

What is the best way for Maria to react to a serious kiss?

1. Blushing and shaking and trying really hard to kiss back.
2. Being overwhelmed by the sensation and nearly collapsing.
3. Pushing away and saying "ew gross".

I think number 2 would be the best. Imagine sticking your tongue in and she starts shaking because she's overwhelmed.

Sexiest seakitten.

>>16820196
Definitely 2. Seeing her get overwhelmed like that with her knees shaking sounds the cutest.

>>16820186
What did she mean by this?

>>16820196
>ew gross
Do lolis realize how cute they are? Or do they think of themselves as gross? Would Maria understand why anons want to lick her armpits and butt?

>Listen to Umineko ost
>MFW its mostly mediocre, sometimes shit and almost never good

And yet you guys hype Visual Novel with such atrocious soundtrack over the manga, Plebs

>>16820435
Why would you bait in a seacats thread?

>>16820435

>>16820435
Is this another refugee from /v/?

>>16820435
take it. Take this implied (you) like the whore that you are. Don't let a single drip go to waste

>>16820435

>>16818786
>inb4 Re:Zero is actually a witch's game board with Satella as a board master

Honestly this song fits Erika more than her own theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ1CeuQMv7s&list=PL4AC2245EFEE1FABB&index=42

>>16820335
They must be the stupidest creatures on Earth if they don't masturbate to their own image on a mirror. Imagine being a loli and recording yourself saying the dirtiest things so you can masturbate to it later!

>>16820903
>that cheeky oboe in the middle

So... What's Ryukishi's real name?

>>16821022
TB

>>16820964
Whenever I see a loli I always ask myself: Why is the word "cute" so cute?

>>16821032
Why are Irie and Rena such massive pedos? And why do they look so similar?

>Rena's loser dad will never turn out to be that loser 45 year old from Kaiji that fell to his death halfway through the first season
>even though they look exactly the same
>Irie will never adopt Rena and share his illegal porn collection and Satoko spycams with her
>They will never spend all night masturbating to loli together
Literally why live.

>>16821044
This reminds me, Irie better get a goddamn cameo during WTC5
Tomitake was cool but Irie deserved it more

>>16821051
Tomitake is apparently Ryu's favorite character. He kind of looks like him I guess. George looks like Tomitake too, at least in the original art.

I don't get it. He's a nice guy, but why is such a pathetic beta male his favorite character? There are much better characters and cute girls. Hell, there are a lot of cute girls that are also great characters in his works.

>>16821051
Americans pronouncing TomiTAKE like a verb always makes me laugh.

>>16821075
Aneymey
Heguhroshi
Rake-a
Casey and friends

Nothing except for 1990's dubs phase me anymore.

>>16821022
As far as I know his name is completely unknown which is kind of surprising since there are so many pictures of him

K1xSatoko is my otp, ask me anything.

>>16821145
Good taste.

>>16821145
While you're not quite up here with me in your tastes you're at least you're not like one of those dirty mionxk1 apes.

The door to the RenaK1 club is open for you whenever you feel like upgrading your tastes

boy, this sure is turning into a quality thread

Ushiromiya Angste a literal cute!

>>16821490

>>16821490
Why is Ange so insanely hot? I wish those bullies would strip her naked and make fun of her hairy pussy!

I absolutely love it when Ryukishi completely turns the mood of a scene around, he's probably the author that can get me the most hyped when reading anything, the song also helps I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3oD9OfWH_M

(don't kill me over the steam screenshot)

>>16819748
>Fuandon
Thank you for recommending this to me. I needed someone to give me their opinions as they are reading, forming theorizes and whatnot.
I need this for... reasons.

>>16821778
Stop posting these awful graphics.

>>16821839
What's wrong anon?

>>16817316
That doesn't need to be confirmed. Mion isn't a slut, so...

>>16821022
Hah, someone saved it.

Does anyone have any japanese pony anime?

Philip Butler best Battler. Wish there was a PS3 sprite of him too.

Does anyone have this in lossless or even lossy format?
http://vgmdb.net/album/30328

Can't seem to find this anywhere and it's the only album I don't have in my Umineko collection.

>>16822016
Are you saying having a hairy pussy makes you a slut?

Good to see 410 reappear back in Trianthology.

>>16822300
The　opposite.

>>16822278
where can i find the umineko and higurashi ost?

can someone post the damedame "play cards with kid" cap?

>>16823078

>>16822300
It's the opposite. Having a hairy pussy makes you human. Girls who shave their pussies are disgusting sluts that ironically look a hundred times worse because of it. Why don't they remove their nipples or ass crack while they are at it? It's the same thing.

The fact that most teenage hentai girls are completely bald down there is just infuriating. They are all fucking boring and look like mannequins. It's a waste of the artist's talent.

There's something really naughty and lewd about girls having a bunch of hair down there. When did people stop liking that? And why the fuck am I so attracted to it, to the point where I can barely find a shaved girl attractive, even though I'm a fucking real life lolicon and like real lolis more than any woman or teenager?

Normies are fucked up.

>>16823335
Hairy is unattractive.

>>16823335
It might have to do with Japan's obscenity law disallowed showing pubic hair for decades.

>>16821778
>>16821937
These graphics are tragic. Why would anyone in their right mind read Umineko like this?

>>16819789
>Narnith
He's the perfect reader for this type of story, but... God, why did he play the fucking Mangagamer release for the first four episodes?
>godawful interface that makes it difficult to read the text
>accidentally opening the message log over and over again
>fucking ACHIEVEMENTS and BGM titles that constantly ruin the immersion
>cheesy CGs
>moving mouths
>terrible translation
>Rokkenjimagate
>THAT PART WHERE THE ENTIRE ENDING SONG IS FORCED TO PLAY BEFORE ANGE EVEN JUMPS FROM THE SKYSCRAPER, RUINING THE SCENE
Seriously, this release is complete garbage. Is that what Witch Hunt has been doing all this time? Helping these morons with their disgusting release that ruins the best moments? They must be insane. I'll keep a copy of their translation patches around in case they decide to "update" them.

Okay, the translation is passable. But the old one was a hundred times better. There is no excuse for this shit.

>>16823383
I think you're talking about the PS3 fan patch. MangaGamer's release doesn't gave any of the things you listed

>>16823383
The PS3 port is great.

>>16823347
If you are thinking about an extremely wild bush, yeah. But a nice bush that covers the entire pubic area is sexy as fuck. Especially on a young girl. Otherwise, there's absolutely nothing to look at.

And it's simply unrealistic. Am I supposed to believe that every anime character shaves down there all the time? Why would Rena shave her pussy constantly just in case she is raped by surprise in a doujin? She should be hairy when that happens! If she's not, it's hard to believe she's Rena.

The contrast between a girl's white skin and her black bush is one of the most erotic things in the world. Even more so in the world of hentai, where the girls are perfect. Not to mention how humiliating it is for a teenager to have her pubic hair exposed for everyone to see! It's a sign that humans are animals after all! Lewd!

I simply can't understand the appeal of a shaved girl. She has to be extremely attractive and slutty for me to even find her appealing. Can anyone explain this bald pussy fetish to me? Because I just don't get it. Almost everyone in the world seems to have the same incomprehensible fetish since the 90s. What changed everyone's minds so much? Why is pubic hair suddenly considered unattractive?

My theory is that most guys are extremely repressed pedos and want women to resemble lolis without realizing it. But it just doesn't work. It makes them look like freaks of nature. They lose one of the few things they have over lolis and look fake as fuck.

>>16823335
I love bushes on teen girls, but when they get to their mid-20s and become "women" it's not the same. I don't find them attractive and even their pubic hair looks like crap.

>>16823467
>Why is pubic hair suddenly considered unattractive?
The same reason leg hair or armpit hair is seen as unattractive on women. It's just gross and unappealing.

>>16823335
Fuck off rikafag haven't you gotten yourself locked up yet?

>>16823467
I mean, look at that picture. Rena is hiding a natural teenage bush under those clothes. She looks so cute and cool, but if you removed her clothes you would see her embarrassing, pathetic, developing body! So lewd!

She is not naked, but the fact that she has a human body is just mindblowing! And everyone else can imagine what she looks like naked! They can't see it, but they know for a fact that she has tits, a sweaty butt crack, and a hairy pussy! Isn't that extremely hot? All her friends are aware of that fact, but they never talk about it because there's such a thing as human dignity! Lewd! They are all a bunch of pathetic, disgusting humans pretending they don't look stupid when naked, pretending they don't poop! Even Satoko! Lewd!

>feelerino when you will never be a fucked up humiliation doujin artist

>>16823500
Leg hair is disgusting, but armpit stubble is great. Not so much on mature women, though, but it looks really perverted and naughty on teen girls.

>>16823411
This.
The only thing that's available in the MG version in that list is achievements for the Steam version. Those are typically used to track people's progress.
You can switch to the original sprites at any time and even the original Japanese script if you really want to.

>>16823526
The only available English script is still terrible. Witch Hunt's script could use some revision in some parts, but this is straight up worse.

And isn't the VN engine completely different from the one we are all used to?

So all those fucked up things are UmiTweak's fault? Even the part where the game can't display the text and the music at the same time in that Ange scene, forcing them to separate both? Why would anyone taint their first experience using that crap?

>>16823518
God just fuck off.

>>16823467
>Can anyone explain this bald pussy fetish to me? Because I just don't get it.
It's a fetish. There's really not much more to get if it's not for you.

>>16823554
Is everything a fetish, though? Because I'd say that liking pubic hair is natural and not a fetish. It's just weird that such a huge percentage of the human population has developed this Barbie doll pussy fetish out of nowhere. Is it the fault of the porn industry or something?

>>16823564
They're both fetishes.

>>16823139
Thank you. Going to rewatch later. I need a laugh.

>>16823547
The engine is different. Skipping through text is slower than the original, but it works just fine for me.

I have both the original and MG version. I just checked, the music starts as soon as the guards open the door while Ange is on the rooftop for both.

>>16823626
Then what the hell did that guy do? Watch his video, it totally ruined the scene for him. It was awkward as fuck.

>>16823653
Same thing, the music played at the very same moment in the same way. Unless you mean how the text was being auto-scrolled and he couldn't control it.
It looked like it was locked on Auto for that scene. I believe some scenes in the PS3 version seem to be like that, to sync up the voice acting and story with the music. It's like how Rougoku plays at the end of Episode 1's Tea Party where it gets intense right when it cuts to the credits.

>>16823674
I'm not talking about where the music starts. I'm talking about how the scene ends halfway through, the entire song plays by itself with a credits screen, and THEN, after the credits, with absolutely no music whatsoever, the game resumes and Ange jumps and the guards yell at her.

Does that really have nothing to do with Mangagamer's engine? Because I clearly remember the song playing during that part in the original game, instead of playing for a while, forcing you into a credits screen after a certain point and then ending the scene with no music.

>>16823674
Nevermind, I see what you're talking about.
The PS3 version does indeed cut out the last part of the scene for the sake of syncing up the music. Bernkastel reaches out her hand and it ends there in the PS3 version. It's kept in the MG version.

>>16823698
>Does that really have nothing to do with Mangagamer's engine?
The PS3 patch (the one that Narnith is playing) is not MangaGamer's release. They're completely unrelated

>>16823335
I dont think people understand just how much of a slut you have to be to shave your pubic hair, its just not natural.

>>16819985
I think "what you're used to" is a big part of it. I don't like Erika's voice because it doesn't match my mental conception of her voice, that I came up with while reading it.

>>16822327

Translations

when

>>16823653
All these patches and re-releases are bound to have errors. Like the floating Hanyu sprite in Higurashi.

If these plebs could appreciate Ryukishi's original art and understand that this novel works better without voices slowing down your reading speed, they would enjoy it a lot more and wouldn't even have to deal with all these problems.

Is it really so difficult to experience it as it was originally intended by the author? Everything that came afterwards is just trying to appeal to casuals. The pretty soulless graphics that tries to imitate R07's facial expression and fails, the mandatory voice acting, the "text box" with character names that works much better in porn VNs focused on dialogue...

Don't even get me started on all the UmiTweak shit. Who the fuck wants to see the name of the current BGM every time it changes, especially during your first time reading the novel? It takes you out of the experience. It's like you can see the author manually changing the BGM to something sad or whatever, making it feel less organic and more artificial. If anything, that should be for people that are already familiar with Umineko, not for someone reading it for the first time. But it's not really their fault, it's the fault of the retards that recommend them to play Umineko with all that shit added in.

>>16823782
I agree, I read the original version just fine without the regular sprites. I was reading it for the story, not the art, and the sprites grew on me over time.
It's too bad that the art turns people off from giving it a chance and reading it, I wasn't a fan of it either at first but the story and music really drawing me in helped.
In fact, I find it inspiring how someone with art like Ryukishi can still create a compelling visual/sound novel.

>>16823467
>most guys are extremely repressed pedos
That's true, but I don't think it's the reason pubic hair is out of fashion. I think porn stars started shaving their pussies for porn reasons and the people that grew up watching it associated it with "attractiveness".

Very few people realize just why pubic hair is attractive and perverted. Or why the fact that cute girls have asses is simply mindblowing, humiliating, extremely lewd. They just like butts and don't even think about the reason. Or they make up some convoluted "evolutionary" explanation like "butts cheeks look like breasts!".

>>16823817
Why did Alchemist get rid of Rena's autistic bunny hands pose? She was supposed to behave in a very childish way, trying to come off as a cute and cheerful girl. It looks ridiculous IRL, but it just feels right with Ryu's art style.

There's something about his deformed sprites and the blurred real life backgrounds that make his novels feel even more immersive. It's like your mind just accepts that bizarre-looking world and gets lost in it more easily.

It's also a very unique art style that stands out and makes you feel happy when you see it. The PS2 artwork is much more generic. And the backgrounds are awesome. Since they are photographs, they feel very realistic, but the blurring gives them a surreal vibe that matches perfectly with the character models and the story itself.

This is very apparent in Higanbana. It just wouldn't be the same with generic anime designs and sterile drawn backgrounds.

Some other examples would be the phone and the super detailed 3D chain in Umineko. Or the super detailed ash tray in Higurashi. They feel extremely genetic somehow, there's nothing unique about them. But since they are so detailed, you can't help but notice that Rosa's phone is the same as the one in the mansion, and the same as every other phone that appears in the story. Even the generic picture of a plant that sits next to the phone is the same every time a phone appears. It's obvious that it's just a recycled background.

In the original novels, you can see the backgrounds but you can't really see any details. Things like phones or ash trays don't stand out so much, it's not as immediately obvious that this phone is exactly the same as the one you saw in a completely different location. It's blurry, you just know that it's a phone and nothing more. Same with Hinamizawa and Rokkenjima. The detailed drawn backgrounds in the re-releases make these places feel less realistic and give us too much detail, leaving no room for the imagination. The image is too clean and you can easily see how boring and empty everything looks.

>>16823924
I couldn't figure out a way to explain why I like the original art and how it feels like the new art and changes takes you out of the story little by little without sounding like someone that just hates it for being different, but I believe you put it nicely.
It's the little things, but it all adds up.

>>16823752
Not sure friend but I c'ant wait to see some more 410

>>16823924
I really enjoy the original backgrounds. They feel nostalgic for some reason, probably because they are real pictures taken in the real life Hinamizawa around the time Higurashi was released. It's been 15 years already!

I don't know, they just look very artistic, even though they are just real pictures with a couple of filters. They feel as if there's something interesting hidden somewhere in that blur, random details of real life captured by the camera, something that wouldn't appear in a drawn background unless the artist intended it. I think organic is the word I'm looking for.

>>16821663
>Lick Maria's entire body after a long day of playing, especially her armpits and mouth
>Strip and humiliate teenage Ange, forcing her to shit herself in front of her bullies, rip out her pubes one by one and dance naked like a complete retard
>Rub my face on Jessica's curly, golden muff and spank her pale white ass cheeks until they turn red, while Kanon watches
I can't choose one!

>>16824006
That's a boy!

>>16823335
Don't girls feel tingly when you touch their pubes? Why do they claim that shaving gives them more pleasure? I call BS.

>>16823551
>puritan detected
Killerino yourselferino

Best characters in the series.

>>16823782
>>16823817
At least MG's release gives folks a choice. Hopefully they make the right one.

>>16824582
>characters
>s

Huh?

>>16823782
>>16823817
>>16823924
Stop acting like your way is the only right way to experience the story. Tons of people enjoy the new releases and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>16824847
What was even their reason for using the pachinko sprites anyway?

>>16824931
They didn't have the rights to the alchemist ones and the originals turn off most new fans.

>>16824882
>people can't have preferences
ok

>>16824882
seconded that. i tend to mix all my sprites at random so as to yeah heah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0xNNI9P4GA

>>16823782
>Who the fuck wants to see the name of the current BGM every time it changes
The BGM names can be turned off in the settings at least

>>16823782
If you don't think the Maria in a bloody room CG from Ep 1 or pic related are massive improvements you have incredible shit taste

>higurashi?
>oh yeah I watched that animey it was pretty weird and fucked up

It's thursday, and you know what that means.

SURPRISE MYSTERY TIME

The annual conference has been going on for hours now and the parents decide to go to their separate bedrooms.
All couples have their own bedrooms adjacent to each other, with an adjoining door in case of emergency. Eva and Hideyoshi are getting ready for bed, just as Battler walks by and hears both of them cry out in pain. He tries the lock, but it's locked from the inside.
He rouses the others to inspect.

Krauss and Natsuhi were on the left of Eva and Hideyoshi's room. Rudolf and Kyrie were on the right of their room. Rosa and Maria were in the room across.

They all break down the room and find both Eva and Hideyoshi dead on the floor, no sign of trauma or injury. Battler heard their cries of pain, perhaps they died of shock of some kind? The window was open though and a fierce wind blew through the room and some feathers were found by the window sill. Perhaps the killed escaped through there? But it was 4 stories high and no footprints were found beneath. The doors to both Krauss and Natsuhi's room, and Rudolf and Kyrie's room were locked from the inside of Eva and Hideyoshi's room.
How could the culprit have committed this crime, surrounded by locked rooms?

>>16825282
>just as Battler walks by and hears both of them cry out in pain

Where they fucking?

>>16825263

>>16825307
/RED/ The sounds Battler heard Eva and Hideyoshi make were because of pain being inflicted upon them.

>>16825282
<ｇｏｏｄ!>
They were trying to kill each other for whatever reason and that resulted in them killing each other.
The feather is from the pillows. They tried to choke each other by stuffing the other with pillow feathers!

Bring on the unreasonable! I'll answer in kind

>>16825349
/RED/ Hideyoshi did not kill Eva.
/RED/ Eva did not kill Hideyoshi.

I like your thinking, but a deadly pillow fight is not the answer!

>>16825282
Some way to get in to Eva and Hideyoshis room exists from the two adjacent rooms through the window! Like a ledge

Or the money theory
Rosa climbed on the roof from her room, lowered herself in to Eva and hideyoshi room, killed them, climbed back on to the roof and back in to her own room

>>16825282
/Blue/ there a door connecting Eva's room to Rosa's
making sure there is no word trickery

>>16825414
The pillow itself was the killer. Hideyoshi and Eva fought bravely, but it wasn't enough to stop the pillow. The feather it left behind in the struggle is the clue to the culprit. By being a pillow, it could also survive the drop and not leave any foot prints.

Either that, or a human culprit took a pillow or two to cushion their landing and not leave any footprints.

>>16825479
Sasuga pillow-san

>>16825450
/RED/ Rosa and Eva's room are unconnected. There is a hallway between these rooms.

>>16825445
/RED/ No culprit entered Eva and Hideyoshi's room through the window.
And just to get Rosa out of the way.
/RED/ Rosa is not the culprit.

Gimme some Blues, brothers.

>>16825493
/Blue/ Hideyoshi left the key in the bedroom, so he had to climb in through the window. Eva was alseep and woke up to her husband breaking into the window and died of shock. Hideyoshi lost in grief killed himself

>>16825282
KINZO WALKED IN THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR, COMMITED THE MURDER AND LOCKED HIMSELF IN THE ROOM AND HID

>>16825493
/BLUE/ The culprit was already in the room and then used the window to escape to one of the adjacent rooms

>>16825479
>Diana
>black

>>16825263
This pisses me off so fucking much.

>>16823924
I agree.

>>16825493

/Blue/ Some weird killer bird that kills through a means of poisonous gas was used to kill them, it was inside the whole room since the start and it left through the window once the two were dead.

>>16825493
>/RED/ No culprit entered Eva and Hideyoshi's room through the window.
/Blue/An accomplice climbed to their window, used a pillow to knock on their window to get them to open it
One inside whoever it was opened the door from the inside, letting the killer in and then closed it, leaving the crime scene through the window again

>>16826585
Wouldn't that make them the culprit?

>>16824931
desu Pachinko sprites for Chiru are alright, pretty much only the characters from the first two eps look questionable

>>16825927
>will and bern.gif

>>16822327
Looks like Ryukishi actually got worse at drawing since Higanbana
What the fuck?

>>16827111
The Chiru sprites are actually pretty good, especially Dlanor and Erika, I actually think pachinko Erika is the best Erika.
But it's still bad because the ep 1-2 character are stuck with bad sprites, namely Battler.

Speaking of Battler, are there any pics of pachinko sorcerer BATTLER? Can not find a single picture.

Quick post best ZTS track

or you know what, i'll just do it myself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXv-h5WIMms

>>16827552
Here you go desu

>>16827579
doesnt look too bad, but battler looking mexican ruins it

>>16827631
Agreed, pachinko Erika is pretty cute though

>>16827651
>flat

I don't think so Tom

>>16827694
Her bust varies.

>>16827651
Pachinko Erika is great, only character I'd say who's best version is pachinko.
Kinda sucks tho because shes my favourite character and she looks kinda weird in ps3 art

>>16827729
I love PS3 Erika's expressions though.

>>16819789
I wanted to reread Umineko, so I'm following Narnith playthrough right now.

That guy is a gift sent from heaven. 9.5/10 would support the Patreon.

>>16827575
Here you go my man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2Sso-JoO4&list=PL4AC2245EFEE1FABB&index=2
It's impressive how he composed both the most hype songs and the most sad one
Was deadangle also made by him?

>>16827398
His drawing skills are constantly "improving" and changing from game to game. If you compare Hanyu with the other main characters, her sprite is considerably more detailed and the hair looks more natural. Same with Keiichi and other characters that got an actual sprite halfway through the series.

Umineko is pretty consistent overall, but there's something strange about Will and Lion's sprites. Ryukishi definitely improved since EP1 and could draw more detailed outfits. It's not very noticeable, though.

I personally like it. Hanyu's sprite makes her stand out from the others, which makes sense because she's not really human. While Lion and Will are both meta-characters from another reality. They need to look slightly weird and out of place.

Speaking of Lion, am I the only one that sees him as a personification of Sayo's ideal life rather than an actual person? He obviously has a backstory, a personality and a goal. He does exist in that fragment. But his appearance HAS to be bullshit. He's androgynous as fuck even though his balls are intact and he was raised as a boy.

Oh, and the blonde hair is also pretty suspicious, but we could ignore that (I doubt Mion's hair is really green in-universe, it's just an artistic license). But the fact that he's androgynous can't be denied, he even has a complex over it. He really does look like the sprite we are shown.

Also, the world he comes from is a fucked up fragment that Bernkastel created for the funeral. Shannon and Kanon are there, the relatives are mourning a BOOK that symbolizes meta-Beatrice, the chapel is cut off from the rest of the world... And the massacre still happens even though nobody was there to tell the siblings about the bomb that could erase the evidence. There wasn't even a credit card, which means that all the gold would disappear and the killer would have nothing to gain.

Lion's world is obviously completely fake. His backstory, personality and appearance are real in this fake world, but this is definitely NOT what Sayo would have been like if she was raised as Lion and grew up normally. All the androgynous bullshit wouldn't have been part of him, Lion was only like that because he represents Sayo's ideal. And Sayo doesn't even know what she is.

She's not really a girl and will never be one, but she has no genitals and doesn't know anything about being a boy. Lion looks like a mix of both genders because of this. Sayo's ideal wouldn't be a manly dude, even if that's what she is supposed to be, it's just too weird for her to imagine.

>>16828292
Another thing I see fans discussing about is the part where Bernkastel cuts Clair open and all the "red truth" comes out. People seem to interpret this as the real truth, and believe that Kinzo started the battle with the italians because he wanted the gold.

I thought it was pretty clear that this is Sayo's interpretation of the story she was told. She saw Kinzo as a crazy lunatic that fucked his daughter and had a military base filled with corpses. She saw him as a complete monster, so she interpreted the story that way. It's not the real truth.

The scene where Beatrice II tells Kinzo that she doesn't love him "that way" is also Sayo's interpretation, not the objective truth. She has no idea that if you raise your daughter to be your lover, she won't find it strange. It will be natural for her because she doesn't know any better.

Beatrice II was a pitiful person because she was locked up in that mansion and didn't really love Kinzo. She was very lonely and wanted to meet more people and see what's out there. But that doesn't mean Kinzo "raped" her violently and traumatized her. He just had sex with her. If you grow up without anybody telling you that sex is shameful or that your body is "sacred", you won't really care about it. You'd just be slightly annoyed because this unattractive middle aged man convinced you to do it and you didn't like it. As simple as that.

My point is that Sayo isn't god. She can't know what happened during the war or before she was born. Stop thinking that Kinzo is canonically a deranged, violent rapist that would kill people for gold. That's not supposed to be the truth.

>>16828459
There's also EP3, where Beatrice tells Battler that Kinzo captured her and wouldn't let her escape, so she killed herself. And then Kinzo trapped her soul in an exact clone of her body or whatever. This is clearly Sayo interpreting things her way. Beatrice 1 clearly loved Kinzo.

Are these still being sold?

Is it true that Japan hates Ryukishi since he published EP8?

I really like his later works, especially Higanbana. It's a shame that it bombed because his fanbase is fucking autistic.

He's too much of an otaku himself to stop catering to that kind of audience, but the problem is that Japanese otaku are really fucking stupid. He tried to challenge people with a genuinely difficult riddle, dropping suble hints the whole way through, but his audience was unable to understand anything and demanded that he give away the answer.

He eventually gave it away with the EP8 manga, but by that time he had lost most of his fans. All his new works after Umineko bombed because people think he's a complete hack that made shit up on the spot and failed to give Umineko a solution.

This is why we can't have nice things.

>>16828579
I think he had way too many fans for a niche doujin VN author. The majority of his fanbase (even the Japanese one) only knew about him because of the Higurashi anime. They were in it for the "yandere lolees killing each other". So naturally, they disliked Umineko and moved on. The real fans have always been there.

The comedy anime episodes are great, though. They really capture the spirit of Mion's club. I love how crazy they get!

>>16828579
Well said. Shame RGD got even less recongition than Higanbana but it might be the other way around. Nevertheless it can't be helped. Goats will remain goats.

>>16829110
I was contemplating whether to correct myself since it didn't sound right, but I assumed that I got the idea across

>>16829110
Are Rika and Satoko actually interested in K1, though? Rena and Mion obviously are, but that's just two girls. If the protagonist doesn't really have a chance with half the cast, I wouldn't call it harem.

>>16829231
Now that you mention it... K1 was literally living the dream. What a lucky bastard.

Meanwhile, Batora gets completely fucked IRL.

>>16828579
Where would you go to see Japanese discussion of R07s work, or vns in general for that matter?

>>16829271
>Is this some kind of metaphor about how being bullied traumatizes kids and taints their soul forever?
My interpretation is that escapism eats away at you until you can no longer live in reality. Fantasy is a world that is completely under your control, and because of the peace and comfort it can give you it deprives you of the strength you would need to change your destiny and bet your hope-chips on something real.

Why do I get the feeling that the meta doesn't exist at all even though it obviously does? I always think of the meta characters as metaphorical bullshit, but I think of Bernkastel and the events of Higurashi as real, which means that everything the witches interact with is real as well. I'm contradicting myself.

Does this mean that real Battler is fucked but Meta-Battler DOES exist in a higher plane of existence and is living the dream?

Does this mean that the people in the island died and lost their consciousness forever because there is no afterlife IRL... but meta versions of them DO exist in the metaworld?

This is very interesting but also really fucked up.

>>16829418
The witches like bern, lambda featherine obviously exist. You could argue that bern and lambda are sub witches of featherine

>>16829503
That's what I mean. If they exist, everything they interact with exists too. Even if it's a metaphor or a representation of theories about the Rokkenjima incident, it exists in that sense. It's not just a way for Ryukishi to "embellish" the story for the audience and make it interesting. All the gameboards, all the pieces and fantasy characters, they all really exist from Bern's perspective.

>>16829580
Well, we can say for sure that Hanyuu exists in Higurashi.

Either Umineko takes place in the same universe, in which case magic exists, time loops are a thing and metaworld Beatrice made a contract with Lambda to make Battler realize the truth after he failed to in prime, or Umineko is set in a separate universe and the "witch" that takes up the name Bernkastel is just a character "Auaurora" felt compelled to put into the story because she enjoyed Higurashi as a fictional work, and Lambda is an original character she came up with as a counterpart to Bern.

>>16819862
I deactivated Tor only to show my approval to your post.
This is one of the truest post I've seen in my whole life

>>16829482
I'm more confused about her real goal.

>The witch will praise the wise, and should bestow four treasures.
>One shall be, all the gold from the Golden Land.
>One shall be, the resurrection of the souls of all the dead.
>One shall be, even the resurrection of the lost love.
>One shall be, to put the witch to sleep for all time.

The final part of the epitaph says that after the witch revives and the door to the Golden Land is opened, she will give the survivors those four treasures. This sounds like she will reveal that the murders were fake, tell the family that they can keep the gold, confess her love to Battler and go live somewhere outside the island.

But what's her goal exactly? When the witch "revived" after killing 13 people, she never did any of these things. Which means that the REAL ceremony in which 13 people have to be sacrificed refers to the riddle of the epitaph. She expects someone to solve the epitaph before she will stop the whole plan and give the winner the four treasures. It's an extremely unlikely outcome and she knows it.

So... What happens if Battler finds out that she's the culprit? Is it the same as solving the epitaph? Does she expect to blow up everything unless Battler manages to win this harmless game in which people are participating with no clue that there is a massive bomb threatening their lives?

>>16829788
She wanted Battler to stop her

Also keep in mind that Yasu didn't write the epitaph, Kinzo did. She just decided to follow it because she's insane

>>16829735
>The problem isn't so much that you're hurting them, it's that they're just being taken advantage of. You're treating a human being as a mere object which is completely unjustifiable.
Like an object? I think that's going too far. I believe it's wrong to do these things with a kid because sooner or later they will be victimized by society and lose their fucking minds over it. They will feel like crap for their entire lives and blame every little psychological problem on it. You'd have to be pretty selfish to put an innocent kid through that, no matter how cute she is or how much you like each other. It will happen sooner or later because we live in a ridiculously prudish world.

About the idea that they are being taken advantage of... Well, I agree. If I let someone give me a blowjob as a kid and then grew up to believe society's puritan bullshit, I would obviously feel like I didn't know what the fuck I was doing at the time. I would feel like I was tricked and taken advantage of by an adult that wanted to taste my small dick.

But I don't think sex is naturally something that requires "informed" consent. A human should be able to consent to it even if he/she isn't mature enough to know everything there is to know about it. It should be treated like a sport or a massage, something fun and natural. Obviously, the more mature partner should make sure that all the possible health risks are taken care of. And refrain from sticking his dick in there, since there are a lot of lewd things you can do without penetration.

This would all be true if we lived in a more mature society. Since the world has such a fucked up view of sex and nudity, informed consent is necessary to prevent children from being victimized by society. And since they are too immature to give informed consent, they can't fuck. Period. Sorry, kids, you'll have to spend most of your preteen and teen years masturbating alone in your bedroom. And you can't legally watch porn either!

>People often have a knee jerk reaction when it comes to how bad pedophilia is in comparison with other mental problems. I know a few people who treat being attracted to underage b8 as a thoughtcrime which ought to be punishable by death. In my mind, as long as you don't act on your desires in a destructive way (yes, it's doable.) you're okay.
It only becomes a mental problem if you have other problems that would turn any normal person into a rapist anyway. It can also become a huge emotional problem if you are constantly pissed off because your favorite lolicon site was shut down by moralfags, you are a single male and therefore can't interact with cute lolis without being arrested, or your loved ones keep going on about how much they hate pedos, driving you fucking insane and filling your heart with hatred and resentment. Other than that, I don't think there is anything wrong or even unhealthy about it. Just stay the fuck away from places or websites where you can hear other people's opinions on the subject. It's a guaranteed "trigger" (yes, I'm using that fucking term unironically) depending on your personality and can really ruin your day.

Let's change the topic, though. I want to talk about Umineko.

>>16829937
>no matter how cute she is or how much you like each other.
The problem is that kids can't even begin to grasp emotionally what the kind of relationship you're talking about *is*, and they don't have any interest in it. A healthy, intimate relationship with a child can only be platonic in nature.

I'll grant some of the points you're making if we're talking about hebephilia. On that note, read Lolita. It's a good story, and it does a good job of exploring the trappings people like you are prone to fall in to, like the tendency to view kids as more mature than they really are and believing that they see themselves as sexual beings because you view them that way.

>>16829984
>The problem is that kids can't even begin to grasp emotionally what the kind of relationship you're talking about *is*, and they don't have any interest in it.
I'm sure that some kids can, but yeah, most of them don't. I certainly didn't like adults as a kid. But I liked my loli classmates so much that I stil like them to this day. Was I just a weird kid or do people suddenly stop liking what they once considered attractive?

>A healthy, intimate relationship with a child can only be platonic in nature.
That would be really nice, but these days you can't even have something like that. Even wanting to spend time with your cousins and hearing their cute stories is considered creepy. You are not supposed to enjoy it, you must act like a boring adult that dislikes kids and only pays attention to them to be nice. It's bullshit.

>the trappings people like you are prone to fall in to, like the tendency to view kids as more mature than they really are and believing that they see themselves as sexual beings because you view them that way
I don't really seem them that way, but other people are completely delusional and give kids too much credit. Again, I know that they don't view themselves as sexual beings. I didn't either. But I sure as hell wanted sex. Not with adults, though.

Does anyone know who the artist is?

>>16830022
Without love that can't be seen. Nabokov's critics echoed the politically correct opinion of their time, and most people who talk about it today do as well. Humbert is a more complex character than public opinion would make you believe, but you won't hear that. I bring it up in conversations every now and then, but I usually start off by talking about prose and structure, about the historical context and that type of thing so people don't get the wrong idea.

And yes, he is manipulative. Let's be honest anon, if you didn't have the internet and you didn't have an easy way to satisfy your own desires, sooner or later you would go looking for something in the real world. Of course you wouldn't mean to hurt or manipulate anyone, but you would be driven to be close to children. And to get into that kind of position you *have* to hide behind a mask and present a respectable image to the outside world.

>>16830051
>That would be really nice, but these days you can't even have something like that. Even wanting to spend time with your cousins and hearing their cute stories is considered creepy. You are not supposed to enjoy it, you must act like a boring adult that dislikes kids and only pays attention to them to be nice. It's bullshit.
This I can wholeheartedly agree with. Novalis did nothing wrong!

>>16830139
I've been contributing to this thread for a while before derailing it. Most of the text walls are mine. You just want an excuse to hate me for my opinions. Enjoy your dead thread.

>>16830163
Kill yourself

>>16830139
I've been enjoying the thread and replying to posts I was interested in, while ignoring the ones I didn't care about. Why can't you do the same? Post something interesting instead of insulting people.

>>16830181
Kill yourself

>>16829424
Jesus Christ, I never knew 2ch had so many boards. Which one do the nips discuss visual novels on?

>>16830172
She's a nice girl.

>>16830427
You mean the goats?

>>16828579
This is all speculation, but, I'd say that the Japan fanbase is as divided as the Western one. I don't think people completely hate him, because keep in mind that Umineko was popular enough to warrant a remake with updated sprites and voice acting and a manga.

I don't think Umineko "ruined Ryukishi's career", since Ryukishi is still getting work and doing stuff. Hell, didn't Rose Gun Days get a play or something? Umineko is probably extremely polarizing, but I still love it anyway.

>>16829788
The epitaph has nothing to do with Beatrice's goal. Read that passage as a message from Kinzo to Yasu (and the Beatrices) and it will all make sense

These Omake are actually pretty funny.

>>16830836
Iwaihime probably got better reviews because it's way more "conservative" in terms of structure and in the way it handles its themes than anything R07 has done since Higurashi.
Umineko was metafictional to the point of absurdity and challenged peoples views on religion, truth and love
Higanbana had a short story format and dealt with school bullying as its main theme, which is not something most escapists will feel comfortable with
RGD did the whole parallel storytelling across different time periods thing, was overtly political, dealt with japanese nationalism and ended in tragedy and despair
Iwaihime has a group of friends doing club activities until tragedy occurs because of [insert supernatural horror here] but it's okay because timeloops.

>>16831790
>o.O
oh shit nigga what are you doing?

Higanbana, who thinks of herself as a demon, is given a chance to "pretend" to be human when Marie offers to be her friend. I think she's meant to slide into that relationship out of curiosity, become attached to it without even realizing what's happening, - constantly on the edge of falling back into her youkai ways but holding on to some new-found form of sanity because while she doesn't mind cruelty she's starting to value Maries friendship and couldn't bear being hated by her. Basically a classic redemption story.

How autistic or playable When the Seacats Cry fan-fiction is? Should I give it a try or altogether stay away from it?

>>16827744
>gives her a kiss

>>16832038
I honestly just liked and totally recommend the Erika one. The only downsides of that entry are that it doesn't have an appropiate ending (it just cuts off in the middle of the climax) and that there are horrible choices that could potentially ruin the game by making Erika miss most of the murders.

>>16831890
>>16831942
I think anon was confused because he doesn't think anyone on this board knows japanese. He's obviously /new/.

>>16832076
Obviously if that were the case then they wouldn't even exist in the first place.

>>16832076
You know, it is interesting how Erika is a mix of all traits that make a character tend to be disliked and she still manages to be a fan favorite
>smug
>acts like an asshole 99% of the time
>Mary Sue powers like perfect memory or super intelligence
>Sore loser

>>16832108
Because Erika is the perfect annoying character.

>>16832108
Because she is self aware of all of this and makes no apologies for what she is

>>16832286
wish someone did a corssover between medaka box and umineko

Sorry for being gone for so long. If anyone's still interested in that thursday mystery:

>>16825748
>>16825510
>>16825543
>>16826235
>>16826585
/RED/ The culprit never entered the room.
/RED/ The murder weapon both is and isn't still in the room.
^I put that one in because I remember people saying they liked wordplay

>>16832937
/BLUE/ The murder weapon was a pillow and after during the attack the pillow burst and the feathers scattered

>>16832930
Good thinking, but no. For the sake of this mystery,
/RED/ The doors can only be locked from Eva/Hideyoshi's room's side. It's locked by turning the doorknob underneath the keyhole inwards.

>>16833019
/BLUE/ Both were eating something when suddenly a seagull flew in from the window.
The shock from seeing a seagull flying around in the room caused both Eva and Hideyoshi to scream and then choke on their food, causing both their deaths.

>>16833124
I refer you to
>>16825414
/RED/ Hideyoshi did not kill Eva.
/RED/ Eva did not kill Hideyoshi.

/RED/ Eva and Hideyoshi were murdered by either Krauss, Natsuhi, Rudolf, Kyrie, Rosa or Maria.

>>16833257
Imagine erasing the concept of miracles

>>16833291
>Oh, you erased the concept of miracles? Well, in that case it would be a real miracle if a miracle did happen, wouldn't it? kuhuhu~
>it's not very effective

>>16825282
/Blue/ The party that first entered the room after breaking in did not consist of every individual for whom the rooms were mentioned, i.e. Maria or someone else was not present at the time.

>>16832937
/Blue/ They died via food poisoning.

>>16834371
>>16834416
Oh, I should say.
/RED/ The murder weapon both is and isn't still in the room. It both is in Eva/Hideyoshi's room AND the culprit's room. Not outside of the window.

>>16830276
There's an Umineko thread in the "catalogue" was well. I gotta say, 2ch has a bloody horrible layout. Are there any good user scripts to make it more bearable?

>>16834423
/BLUE/ the murder weapon is the door connecting Eva's room and one of the others

>>16818059
>What's Dai up to these days?
http://www.jp.square-enix.com/mashirocchi/

This

Does this mean that Sayo read the last pages out of curiosity and then regretted having spoiled herself? It's like she knows that the book ends with that message bottle but is trying to forget about it.

It's funny, because the same thing happened to me when I read this book. I wasn't sure if I was going to like it, so I read the very last page and accidentally saw the culprit's name.

I must be stupid, because even though I knew the killer's name I totally believed he/she (not gonna spoil it, read the book) was really dead and kept suspecting other people.

The characters were pretty interesting too. I imagined Vera as a younger Natsuhi for some reason.

What are some forgotten scenes/lines from Umineko that you find interesting? EP2 has become my favorite episode because there's so much interesting shit in the first half that I completely forgot about. Like all the in-your-face hints that Kanon is Beatrice.

I really like all the Higurashi references. Remember when Battler realized that Beatrice always let him survive to the very end? I think it was in EP5. It reminded him of "his favorite character in a terrifying novel he read". He's referring to Shion's theories about the curse of Oyashiro-sama. She believed that the culprits were targeting her loved ones first to make her suffer before actually killing her.

>>16835975
Thank you! Here's some rare fanart for your troubles.

>feelerino when this is apparently dead

http://whenwetranslate.livejournal.com/

We'll have to live with Mangagamer's shitty translations, engines and cut content forever.

>>16836004
I've always found this part of Kyrie and Jessica's exchange in Episode 6 interesting. Like, maybe it's implying that Asumu's death was actually caused by Bern or Lambda, setting everything in motion for Beato's game.

>>16836172
It's worth noting that several times it is mentioned that the "furniture" Shannon and Kanon were created by Kinzo, heavily implying that Yasu didn't split into these different personalities until she learned about her entire past. Additionally, Kanon is supposedly the last of the furniture "created by Kinzo", meaning that he likely didn't exist at all until these details were revealed to Yasu. This makes it unlikely that Kanon was created simply to be a "kouhai" for Shannon.

>>16836363
Agreed. It's fucking fantastic. Masterpiece level.

Have a sexy Mion for the good taste.

>>16836331
It shouldn't be that hard to understand.

>More anatomically correct
>Better shading
>Larger variety
>Higher resolution
>Animated

I like the original sprites and all, but the overall professionalism of the PS3 ones is very appealing.

I've been reading the archive because all the lewd posts and pics were deleted like always. And I've realized that the archive randomly decides to ignore certain posts for no reason. This one for example is missing the second half >>16829788 and this cute pic of Shannon >>16835918 isn't archived either.

Does the archive ban certain phrases for no reason? Where the fuck am I supposed to read these threads without censorship once they get 404'd? What the hell is going on with warosu?

Also, where can I buy pic related? Are they still being made?

>>16836473
It really is a great medium for storytelling. It combines the narrative depth of a book with the immersive atmosphere of a film.

>>16836576
I dunno, íf you're talking about people who watch netflix all day you'd be right, but I don't think the barrier is that high for the videogame crowd. If you develop a vn with a more unique aesthetic, something that's neither classic anime nor comic nor too realistic, and a story that doesn't take place in a japanese high school, and most importantly, if it has meme potential, it could end up being a wide success.

>>16836371

Battler looks so weird in the pachinko version

>>16836473
>>16837688
The thing with vns is that although they are flexible as a medium, most people are overly prudish to even try alternative media, if all they did was read books during their lives. You can't change book fanatics to switch to visual novels overnight. It isn't necessarily the lack of available content to choose from that has been transformed into visual novels but it's more to do with how people are habituated to blindly perform one or two things, in this case reading or watching shitty series on netflix as mentioned above. I do realize I'm just repeating myself here but even as i type this I'm fine with japs monopolizing vns to their own entertainment rather than letting it overflow. I'm not saying books are any more inferior to vns but the trith of the matter is that unfortunately they will be im a decade (hopefully).

>>16836371
Battler and Ange were clearly flipped and traced, or at least heavily referenced from the ps3 sprites, as you can tell by the fact that the artist drew battlers hair the wrong way around because he was too much of a fraud to redraw it from imagination. Disgraceful.

>>16837831
I remember joke screenshots that put stuff like anime and vns for sale on steam in like 2011. Thinking to myself that would never happen, it's actually quite crazy how close to that joke screenshot my steam page has become

If you had told me in 2006 that anime would gain this much mainstream following I would have laughed. It's on Netflix for gods sake

>>16838052
their boobs though, also whats with their anorexic faces?

>>16838052
I love how regardless of the artist, Rosa is ALWAYS depicted as the least endowed of the Aunts by a significant margin. Natsuhi, Eva, and Kyrie's artwork is usually inconsistent when it comes to who's bigger than who. The only thing for certain is that Rosa's the smallest.

>>16838284
2009

>>16838284
In no particular order
1. The damedame mystery chain.
While not exactly umineko it was very umineko eqsue and drew a lot of themes off it and it was really fun to try and solve some of them. I still have no idea what the uncertainty box was about.

2. As the other anon pointed out, 2009 was a magical year. By today's standards that would have qualified as cancer but back then it was so much fun to just photoshop some stupid image of battler crying in to something. Just dumb fun without worrying about board etiquette

3. A certain game to get the last post of a thread I wish I had won.

>>16838422
That's just coated in gold paint. You can't fool me

>>16838132
Clearly they were hoping everyone would be too distracted to look above their necks.

>>16838605
>Dlanor has big breasts
Wait, what?

>>16837514
Who's the girl on the left ? How's her VN ?

>>16832059
Never got around to playing witches and woodlands. Damn, Mammons trial is giving me chills. Battler really is an idiot.

>>16838939
astonishingly bad.

Why does Ange remind me so much of the typical angsty teenager with a hairy pussy even though she's 18? Rena and Mion are actual teenagers and don't come off as angsty bitches.

I want to bully and humiliate Ange in front of everyone.

>>16839027
As opposed to figuratively?

For all it's faults, the pachinko sprites managed to get Clair of all people to look pretty nice.

>>16839015
>Why does Ange remind me so much of the typical angsty teenager
Maybe because she is an angsty teenager?

>>16839439
It features one of the best tragic love stories out there
How did you react to https://youtu.be/p33Yikb5UmI and pic related?
If your eyes watered/you shed a tear/you cried you should get it right now and get ready to cry like a little bitch

>>16839465
We'll, I'll be honest. I had mixed feelings by the end of ch8. Back the I was still big on mystery and I picked trick ending first despite knowing that all signs were begging me to pick magic. And the fact that in the magic ending the "true culprit" was to be forgiven and pitied was absolutely incomprehensible to me at the time, so by the end I was looking back at the ride more than being emotionally moved.

Since then I believe I've matured (alas only after rereading umineko 2 times) and able to try and understand stories more emotionally while still retaining the desire for mystery

Other people read stories simply with emotions. They're way too different for to understand.

>>16839804
Emphasis on battle?

>>16839818
Looks like time looping is involved in some way.

Just finished Umineko 6 hours ago. I felt so empty and depressed I imediatly went to sleep, but now I'm awake and I still feel empty and depressed as fuck
Please soothe my heart with funny shit

>>16840580
Have you read Tsubasa yet? How about the manga for Episode 8?

>>16840587
I can't even bring myself to open the game again for the trick ending for now...

>>16840607
Tsubasa is a fan disk. If you need time to recover from Umineko take all the time you need to. It's rough to get over at first.

>>16840607
My advice for now is read the Tsubasa manga chapters. Some lighthearted comedy should help.

>>16840659
It's pure comedy. Nothing really plot related in it.

>>16840659
It varies. Each chapter is a one-off short story, most of which are comedic. I recommend the "Game Master Battler!," "Labor Thanksgiving day gifts," "Seven Stakes Valentine," and "Beato's White Day" for comedy, though others are also good.

>>16840679
Witch's Tanabata isn't comedy.

>>16840686
Continued.

>>16840681
I don't want to be reminded Tanabata exists. I want to remain happy.
>>16840686
>>16840688
Bernkastel is the worst. Fuck her.

>>16839815
Bullying is truly the best fetish.

>>16840821
I've been comparing them for a bit now since you mentioned it, and it seems like posts are randomly not being archived there.

>>16840686
She's cute so I forgive her.

Could Ronove beat Gohda in the kitchen?

>>16830213

>>16840945
I need to take some more pictures of those figures sometime.

>>16840972
Searching for all the scenes where his glasses fog up while he makes a passive-aggressive comment is fun. It happens every time.

I like him, though. He's a lolicon!

I like how Lambadelta is really good at math and absolutely terrible at connecting it to the real world. She threatens to trap Bern in a castle with 30 foot walls, and Bern offers to make the castles area much larger at the cost of reducing the walls to 1/10th height. So while Lambadelta is busy dreaming of how long Bern will be trapped, Bern is escaping with a small hop.

Although generally people in this game are awfully fond of and good at multiplication. See Kyries jealousy and the saga of Goat-kun. The real magic was inside a calculator all along!

>>16840972
Same

I hope that if Ryu-chan ever makes another WtC, he brings back Detective Delicious in some form. Man was the boss. He was sort of menacing at first, but turned out to be a complete bro. Easily one of my favorite Higurashi characters.

I really like him as a character and subversion of the archetype. He's an old cop who doesn't really play by the rules but still follows them. Old cops are usually rigid while it's the young cops that break the rules.

I remember awhile back someone criticizing that anime is idealized to a large degree, with how bland or perfect characters are, and how there aren't really any fat people. Other than that girl from the LWA movie who was fat because her character is that she only eats, most characters are not fat or overweight without it being a joke or them being a father.

Oishi is the perfect representation of that. He's his own character, somewhat overweight but still in shape and strong, and it doesn't have any overtly stereotypical points about who he is as a character.

God, I love Ryukishi as a writer.

>>16841019
Where's that image from?

>>16841044
There are nude versions of those figures. I don't know where you can buy them, though.

>Mion has to wear a one-piece because of her dumb tattoo
Fucking yakuza.

>>16841049
Seems really different from the ones I got, not just a nude version. Do you know if it's a set or just Rena?

>>16841059
I remember someone did the widened hip edit for this image. Does anyone still have that?

>>16841086
That is exactly what I meant, thank you

>>16841081
>no pubes
Ruined.

>>16841086
>wide hips
That's just terrible. Rika is supposed to be a loli.

>>16841081
>bald pussy
That's just terrible. Rena is supposed to be a teenager.

>>16841093
I disagree, but I'd rather not get into that discussion again.

>>16841091
You're welcome

>>16839776
Well I was also kinda mad at Battler forgiving Yasu when I read it, but I still felt pretty touched when Battler saw his dead family in the faces of the orphanage children
Fata Morgana is mostly about love stories but the fact that the entire VN was based on the premise of making readers change their opinions of past events with new information, and the fact that the writer really knew how to use red herrings made it pretty entertaining, though until door 3 it doesn't pick up and I almost dropped it during door 2
I'd still say it is worth reading since it really isn't that long, but if you can't enjoy a VN 100% about emotions then it isn't for you

>>16841098
Lolis can have wide hips.

>>16841104
RAMUDADERUTA NO OPPAI

Why is Shannon such a perfect character?

>best design
>submissive meido
>cutest name
>cutest voice
>great tits
>sexy 80s bush
>16 years old
>nice personality
>lesbian
>crazy witch in bed

>>16841151
How many dicks do you think she could fit between those tits?

Honestly, the VN should have been more explicit about this stuff. The man from 19 years ago, Kanon entire existence and a single line in EP7 were apparently not enough to explain why Shannon is so fucked up. Most people finish the story thinking she is a girl who went nuts over a stupid promise.

>>16841192
That's not the point. Putting a major spoiler on the cover of a mystery series is just a bad idea to begin with. It puts fans at risk since they might accidentally catch a glimpse of future volumes before reaching that part in the series. Like say someone's buying a volume of Episode 3 on Amazon and that volume shows up under recommendations.

>>16841206
That's why confession exists now. To bad not everyone reads it. It really should have been part of the novel.

>>16841206
The answers weren't the point of the VN

>>16841304
That she could get sick.

>>16841323
Yes? What's wrong?