/jp/ - Otaku Culture

japRIP

皆
がんばろうね

With the correct techniques you should be able to achieve fluency within 3 months.

>>16804154
japRIParc
ジャパリパーク

>>16804157
知ったことか

Does anyone here have japanese subs for Card Captor Sakura?
There's nothing on kitsunekko (other than the first movie)

>>16804193
フレンズになりたい

I want to

>post on 2chan
>get reply:
>日本語でおｋ

>>16804252
フレンズうんちしないし

なんで色々な漢字の書き方は思い出さない？
すごく悔しい

>>16804367
いろいろなかんじ？

かけなくてもいいよ

よめないのはだめだよ

がんばっておにいちゃん

is there any sites where I can read flame of recca in japanese?

>>16804169
I do not think that is correct.

ところてんってなんなのか？おいしいか？
お尻のＨことじゃなくて天突きで作るものだ

>8k words in anki
>reading ability is pretty decent
>can't understand 70% of what is being said in any TV show
Feels bad desu. Guess all I can do is keep trying

>>16804484
I haven't progressed as far as you but I imagine if your reading speed is on par you can watch shows with subtitles first and then slowly try to ignore the subtitles until you can turn them off completely. I made the same experience when I learned English, I could read and write perfectly but I often didn't understand what people in movies or shows said until I activated subtitles. Eventually I managed to understand everything without them.

>>16804484
Watch anime

>>16804498
Maybe I should try and watch dramas or something with Japanese subtitles then. I generally just watch regular TV shows which don't have subtitles for majority of them

>>16804484
I'm at the same level as you, with the same problem. However, my listening score on the JLPT was the same as my reading/grammar so apparently that's normal.

>>16804459
だからアナルセックスでしょう

What's the recommended DoJG deck style? Core sentence seems the most optimal, but the default one also looks nice.

>>16804683
I don't see any point in doing the DoJG deck in the first place. Use the website for reference as your reading, which is where you'll actually be acquiring grammar from.

>>16804683
Whatever gives you less trouble. It's good for a quick boost to your grammar but not necessary in the long run anyway so there's no need to push yourself on it.

>>16804705
I'm just starting up and want to pair it with Tae Kim's grammar guide, which tends to get overly generalized in its explanations at times. I'll drop it after a jiffy, but want a clutch to help me out in making those first few steps.
>>16804709
Just want to grind some grammar to start doing core2k. I'd imagine nothing beats actual exposition as far as grammar acquisition goes.

つっよーく

はなかんだら

おしっこもれた

>went into DJT once 1.5 years ago to get all my resources
>never came back to this cancerous place
>just signed in for my JLPT N1 exam
I fucking love all of you

>>16804780
Who are you quoting?

>>16804780
>JLPT
why are people so hard for this test, i dont get it

>>16804780
Make sure you come post about it when you fail the test

>>16804790
Vanity and an impartial, tangible confirmation of their skills. It's a tactile proof of all those many hours spent grinding Anki actually meaning something. It looks nice an a resume as well: even if the language doesn't matter, the fact you worked hard towards a clear goal and managed to achieve it is a nice perk as assiduity is one of the most coveted soft skills.

>>16804790
it looks good on your resume
a nice side to having learnt a language just so you can get more fap material

>>16804824
It would probably more impressive to have 3-4 European languages on your resume as it no doubts takes the same effort as learning Japanese.

>>16804844
I had an internship at an employment agency and trust me: it wouldn't. Spanish, French or German can come in handy at times and, indeed, always look nice on a resume, but a more unique language with a reputation for being extremely difficult to learn beats them hands down. It's all about quality, not quantity. Japanese requires perseverance; being able to forgo the now for the long-term goal. Many folks landed a job just by playing the Chinese card. Japanese falls in the same category.

>>16804844
in certain industries having japanese in your resume gets you real credit
same goes for chinese obviously but if you get hired for that you have to interact with actual chinese

>>16804844
>it no doubts takes the same effort as learning Japanese.
It's nowhere near as fun and practical for my interests.

From the neocities thing:
>徒     ともがら(1,820), と(80), いたずら(61), つれ(28), いたず(19), あだ(17), ただ(10), かち(5), いたづら(3), か(2)
is this a bug or is that really the most common reading by that much? Why is it not under rikai then? Or maybe the place this data was harvested from is special?

>>16804885
生徒のと

ともがらとはあんまりよまないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

What's the function of ち on 小林さんちのメイドラゴン?

Anybody knows?

>>16805022
家

>>16804121
Any advice for learning kanji?

>>16805022
さんち
is a heavily slurred
さんの家

>>16805031
plan in 4-6 weeks of fulltime studying
Heisig RTK

>>16805031
"Don't"

>>16805031
Download the KKLC deck and the pdf (if you want).

Grind the deck. Get results.

>>16804885
It's all because of one series ( 灼眼のシャナ) in the DJT library that gives that reading 1,820 times.

>>16805031
There is two prevailing sentiments in my opinion as I can see it. The first one is to ignore Kanji studying and just learn vocabulary you come across, naturally absorbing the Kanji that you see.

Now if you want to do Kanji studies (and I generally find it helps) use KKLC. You need both a deck for the Kanji and for the recommended vocabulary, which will teach you the most common readings and usage of Kanji. You can do the vocabulary deck yourself, it'll get you used to writing in Japanese. Most people don't recommend recall cards as they think writing is useless but I feel like if I am able to draw Kanji I can instantly identify them in a text and differentiate between similar Kanji with ease, but it is more time that you will be spending of course so the choice is up to you.

アノンくんの好きな四字熟語、教えて下さい

以下では俺の気に入れ語句

奇々怪々
危機一髪
東奔西走

>>16805027
>>16805034
Thanks alot
I feel like a retard for missing this

>>16805046
>>16805061
>>16805084
Thank you for the help, guys.

>>16805163
You ignored the only person that gave you good advice.

>>16805178
don't is honestly not good advice
just getting it done is the only way to continue

>>16805187
Doing isolated kanji study is exactly a way to /not/ continue.

>>16805191
>I'd rather swim trough a sea of shit than build a boat first

>>16805201
Not an argument.

>>16805201
Who are you quoting?

>>16805207
paraphrasing with a quote sign is usually ok

>>16805178
>>16805187
>>16805191
>>16805201
>>16805204
There is no right or wrong in this one, as simple as that. My reply was the last one and I simply listed both options available and, if he does decide to do Kanji studying, how to best approach it. Now this discussion has been had a million times already and it's getting stale as shit. I wish people would stop talking about it.

>>16805212
It's not.

>>16805103
皆、四字熟語興味ないね　(´・ω・｀)

>>16805103
難攻不落
蛙鳴蝉噪
花魁道中
燕雀鴻鵠
森羅万象
感慨無量
・・・垂直落下？

燕雀鴻鵠いいですね、蛙鳴蝉噪もちょっと笑った

>>16805178
"Don't" is bad.

Who else /approachingsingularity/ here

>>16805744
That break and all those new cards honestly don't look too good anon. Haven't started too long ago myself.

>tfw been a year since I've made my mining deck already
Time sure does fly.

>>16805799
>Unseen: 0
>83% retention
So you barely read AND suck at being an Anki drone. すごい

>>16805813
Why would he have unseen ones if he instantly reviews new words?

>>16805813
I read everyday. I just like to read SoLshit so new words are a bit more rare. That's why I cap out my new cards per day at 10. In fact I was short a couple words this morning so I'll need to learn a couple more tonight.

>>16805799
What were you reading that week you added over 1000 cards?

I accidentally increased today's new card limit. Is there any way to reverse this?

>>16805875
Did you try to accidently decrease today's new card limit?

>>16805888
How would I go about accidentally doing that? I did it from the custom study menu if that was not clear.

>>16805875
From the times I've seen people complain about this before, apparently not. If you haven't finished your reviews I guess you could set new cards to after reviews and then just wait until the new cards disappear tomorrow.

>>16805875
change review order to reviews first and go as far as you actually wanted
they don't carry over to the new day

>>16805898
I suppose it is a petty thing but it just bothers me I won't get my reviews to 0.

anyone have grimgar epubs?

>>16805901
Just do those cards then?

Rikaisama is importing audio again.

We need a /djt/ on /vint/

I'm thinking about starting Remember the Kanji for probably the 10th time. What is the best deck for it?

I had about 8k cards in Anki before I quit using it. I've read 3 VNs and 1 LN, so I'm an upper beginner, not a newbie. I'm just really bad at recognizing kanji.

>>16806339
Just read more and mine on the side. You're wasting your time with your fixation on that bullshit.

>>16806344
The problem with mining is my 80% retention which led to too many reviews every day. If I learn the kanji better I think my retention while mining will increase.

>>16806356
No, your problem is that you don't consume content. Not kanji. This ratio
>3 VNs and 1 LN
is EXTREMELY low for 8k Anki cards. It means you mostly did Anki and nothing else. Of course your retention is gonna be terrible if you don't reinforce the things you've learned.

I unticked all bury options Anki had and it still buries related cards and I don't know why. Can anyone explain to me what I have to do to definitely disable all attempts at burying that Anki does?

>>16805103
左見右見
天真爛漫
烏焉魯魚

>>16805103
雲散霧消

>>16805799
Hey anon, we have pretty similar stats. Time sure does fly and so does the daily review count.

What the hell did you do 28 weeks ago?

>>16805103
問答無用

These year stats that have been posted are pretty interesting and there seem to be a lot of mature cards. I'm wondering if it doesn't make sense to do something like a yearly reset where you just delete all your cards and start putting words you don't know in again just so the words you definitely know get out of the system and don't have to be reviewed over and over? I just feel like otherwise you are gonna be an Anki slave all your life. It's not like you have an Anki deck for English either. Haven't studied even nearly the amount of time you guys have but I think that doing something like that is sensible.

>>16806436
Your mature cards end up with over a year between reps after a while

>>16806436
It shouldn't matter, you won't see those cards again for a long time when they stick.

>>16805831
>>16806410
Added a list of words so that I can up my daily new word count without spending hours everyday reading to fill it to prepare for the JLPT.
Most of those words I already knew anyway. Ended up deleting probably a half of them as they came up.

>>16805587
It's very good advice actually. Kanji study is dangerous.

>>16806493
>dangerous
Do elaborate please.

>>16806498
You could die from overdosing on Anki

>>16806498
- The overwhelming majority of kanji study resources shelter the user from exposure to japanese vocabulary and grammar
- Beginners see kanji study as a straightforward way to get good at japanese by focusing on one thing
- The overwhelming majority of kanji study resources teach keywords or meanings in isolation from their uses
- It expends a lot of time you could be spending reading or studying vocabulary
- Some people think writing early on in learning japanese is a good idea because of kanji study
- People who do kanji study treat japanese difficulty as a "matter of kanji" e.g. the unique kanji in a text, rather than the rareness of the words it uses or the ambiguity or nuance of its grammar
- Even the best kanji study resources are only used effectively when they successfully trick the learner into studying vocabulary, like KKLC tries to, and that doesn't work on everyone

>>16806518
Oh yeah, and
- Most kanji study resources with readings teach readings in isolation, despite the fact that each reading has its own meaning. Hell, I don't know of a single one that actually gives each reading its own concept. The closest I can think of is resources that teach a vocabulary term for each reading they introduce.

>>16806529
>despite the fact that each reading has its own meaning
Wait, what?

>>16806573
Yeah?

>>16806585
I'm not clear what you're saying there. Do you have an example?

>>16806612
際
サイ: when the circumstance is that something is happening
きわ: the verge of something (physical or temporal), the moment something happens (or before it)

死に際: On the verge of death (not "in case of death")
際会: Conference

>>16806612
>>16806620
Also every single kun'yomi reading is naturally its own unique word and necessarily distinct from other kun'yomi readings.

I've started learning Japanese about a month ago. I entered a language school locally and also started doing the guide of DJT. I feel like I'm learning a lot more here than there, but also the thing that motivated me to start the online learning was the locally learning. What is your opinion on language schools? I'm starting to think they are shit. Also expensive.

>>16806624
They can be good, but there are no good japanese-teaching ones in the anglosphere.

>>16806624
Complete and utter waste of time and money.
There is no course adjusted to your speed and preferences except the one you make yourself, all resources are available online and they don't even cost anything.

>>16806620
Not really, no. 際限, for example, takes the meaning from your second definition there but is read like the first.

See: https://kotobank.jp/word/際-480646
［音］サイ（漢）　［訓］きわ
［学習漢字］5年
〈サイ〉
１ 二つの物が接する所。限りのところ。きわ。はて。「際涯・際限／分際(ぶんざい)・辺際」
２ 出会う。「際会」
３ 接してまじわる。「学際・交際・国際」
４ 時。場合。「実際」
〈きわ（ぎわ）〉「際物／手際・間際・窓際・水際」
［難読］今際(いまわ)

>>16806620
now explain the じん and にん readings of 人

>>16806661
It's not taking its meaning from 際, it's taking it from 限. It's "the circumstance where there is a limit".

>>16806667
Those are cognates with eachother. They were borrowed from different varieties of chinese, but mean the same thing.

>>16806661
The fact that that dictionary defines the reading separately proves his point. You're digging for a reason to believe that unexpected information is wrong. It's not so. Kanji isn't japanese, it's just a writing system. The fact that some parts of japanese are written with the same kanji doesn't mean that those parts mean the same thing, it only serves to make kanji less annoying.

What does this mean?

Yearning for their living name(蘇名)?
Those, the screaming deceased.

>>16806785
Why do you skip words and write in bad English?

>>16806640
I thought it would be a good idea to have a teacher that I could ask my questions and since I'm not a diligent person that would force me to study. But I don't think she is very good and also I don't think we are ever gonna learn kanji there, which is one of my primary goals, read Japanese material.

Guess I'm dropping it then. They looked serious the first time I've been there but they are delaying the books I'm supposed to get since I started it.

>>16806789
I can't translate all too well properly when translating.

さくらがさいたよ

にほんでまってる

>>16806812
You can solve almost everything with the various search engines and dictionaries available on the internet and in the rare cases you don't find the solution like that you can ask in forums or boards like this here. Learning Japanese in a class seems close to impossible to me because of the sheer volume of things that have to be learned. I have never been to a course personally but I imagine no course is gonna start with "First lesson is going to be to learn all Hiragana and Katakana and be done in a week" because that will just scare everyone off even though that is exactly what you have to do. I always suspected courses don't really touch upon Kanji because it is simply too broad and they will not want to put such a workload on you. They know and you know that learning Japanese is not something you can do in a class but some people still want an easy way and I guess they think they can achieve something by going to a class.

>>16806748
I wasn't arguing the same kanji can't mean different things. I was arguing that distinct readings does not (necessarily) imply distinct meanings.

>>16806870
He didn't say that it was necessarily so. If you need every general statement in a casual forum of discussion to come with a disclaimer on its generalness, that's your own problem.

>>16806870
I can see how what I said might be misleading but arguing instead of saying what you were actually thinking about is a pretty dick move.

>>16806858
You're right, thanks for clearing that out.

Just reached the verbs part of Tae Kim and he introduces 50 new words. I'm getting through it really slowly because I feel it is vital for my understanding to learn all the vocabulary but this is pretty insane.

>>16806932
You feel wrong. Install rikai. TK is solely for grammar, vocab is better learnt separately.

>>16806877
>>16806881
The original statement was trying to come off as authoritative. Since it did not match my nebulous understanding of the subject, I was just prying a bit to see if I had overlooked anything.

>>16806953
If may sound authoritative but that's because the misconception it's arguing against (that readings for a given kanji are all the same) is so dangerous.

>Most kanji study resources with readings teach readings in isolation, despite the fact that each reading has its own meaning.

It also remains true that, generally speaking, each reading *does* have its own meaning, except for cases like じん・にん for 人. きわ and さい in fact do have different core meanings, and the fact that they can overlap does not mean it means the same thing, that overlap is indeed the reason that きわ uses the kanji 際 of the "word" さい.

Even for a fairly innocuous pair of readings like ねん・とし for 年, which seem like they shouldn't be able to mean different things at all, end up having meanings that only largely overlap: https://kotobank.jp/word/%E5%B9%B4-111642#E3.83.87.E3.82.B8.E3.82.BF.E3.83.AB.E5.A4.A7.E8.BE.9E.E6.B3.89

Understanding the places they don't overlap is critical to understanding why a given word might use one reading and not the other, and therefore understanding the nuance of that word.

What do I do after 2k on core?
I don't want to read yet because I still encounter a lot unknown words. Can anyone give me their mined deck that I can use to study?

Btw my grammar is pretty high level already, I just need to learn kanji.

>>16807083
Time to start reading.

>>16807083
You read precisely because you don't know words, so you learn them... Plus it's like way more fun than doing Anki.
If you don't want to do that drop Japanese and look for a different hobby because this clearly isn't for you.

>>16807083
another ankidrone misses the point of language learning

>>16807090
>>16807092

Actually I know a lot of words already but I just can't read/write it on kanji. Let's just say I can pretty much watch anything and understand it fine as long as there's no jargon words or really deep shit.
I don't care about fun factor, I just want to grind cards as it's the most efficient way for me to learn.

>>16807110
Even if you know 100% of the words and grammar in something, you will not be able to read it fluently. The only way you can learn to read fluently is by reading. You can understand something without knowing 100% of the words and grammar in something, that's how normal people learn their own native language, you only have to understand the message that the statements are trying to convey. That goes double if you have good listening comprehension, just read something with furigana.

>>16807110
It isn't.

>>16807112
>you will not be able to read it fluently.
Except I can as long as it's only compose of mature cards in my deck.

>You can understand something without knowing 100% of the words and grammar in something

Yes, that's my current level right now. My Japanese is good enough to understand the sentence even if I there are unknown words because I can pretty much deduce the meaning of it base on the conversation and other things.

My skill is something like this:

I know 10k words, but I can only read 2k of it. So, the fastest way to learn how to read the other 8k is by grinding out Anki. Reading for me just take too much time, that's why I said it's inefficient.

>>16807141
>Except I can as long as it's only compose of mature cards in my deck.
You can work your way through it. That's not the same thing as reading it fluently. It's really not.

>Yes, that's my current level right now. My Japanese is good enough to understand the sentence even if I there are unknown words because I can pretty much deduce the meaning of it base on the conversation and other things.
Congratulations. That's all you need. http://archive.is/uUBgW

>>16807145

I don't get your point. You just want to post that thing don't you? And yes, I agreed to that paper.

>>16807160
I want you to start reading regularly because that's how you're going to actually learn japanese.

>>16807161

Reading takes effort and time. My current regime right now is just Anki for around 30 minutes which works just fine.

I'm not saying I won't read ever, I just think it's too early at this point with 2k words.

>>16807167
>I'm not saying I won't read ever, I just think it's too early at this point with 2k words.
It's really not too early at all. You're already at the point where reading not only makes sense but is the most effective thing you can do to truly internalize words and grammar.

>>16807141
>Yes, that's my current level right now. My Japanese is good enough to understand the sentence even if I there are unknown words because I can pretty much deduce the meaning of it base on the conversation and other things.

How do you express "while" in Japanese? Not while as in "Doing X while doing Y", but like in "On the left you have X, while on the right you have Y"

>>16807141
Have you tried reading with a texthooker? Shouldn't be that slow at your level and there's definitely nothing that will make you improve faster than doing so and building your own mining deck.

If you really hate fun, you could just continue with Core6K. You still need the to know the words in it and some random anon's mining deck isn't going to be much better.

>>16807218
You want one of the conjunctions that mean "also".

>>16807228
...why didn't I think of this? それに it is then

>>16806171
よかったね

>>16807090
Different anon, but is it okay to start reading before hitting 2k?

>>16807508
The earlier the better. 2k is honestly quite late.

>>16807508
It's okay to start reading whenever you want, it just might be difficult.

Tokyo Ghoul so far seems really hard. (I'm reading Re: instead of starting with the original manga.) The other day I was reading Konosuba and One Piece, does anyone else find TG challenging?

Random Japanese trivia of the day:

寂しい can be read as さびしい or さみしい

>>16807557
heard more girls use the latter, or is it just my imagination

>>16807557
寂しい
厳しい
激しい

How do I differentiate them fuck!

>>16807623
Are you one of the people who fell for the don't study kanji meme?

>>16807623
http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u5bc2
http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u53d4-var-001
http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u5c17-k01
http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u5c17

http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u53b3
http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u6562@6
http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/cdp-8c5b@5


http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u6fc0
http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u656b-02
http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u656b
http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/cdp-8ce0

>>16807620

>>16807698
Do you even need Japanese for Mahjong?

>>16807708
You need to know 1–9, at least.
Wind tiles, you can kind of get away with not knowing.

>>16807771

>>16807698
A man of taste. I have to wonder, though: what if the anime/manga you're learning Japanese for is Saki or Akagi? Does it balance out?

>>16807708
Knowing Japanese for Mahjong is important because most of the fun in Mahjong takes place in Japanese Mahjong parlors, and if you don't know Japanese it won't be a fun time. The west just doesn't take it seriously enough.

>>16807773
>i want the easy harem
>マンガ家さんとアシスタントさんと

>>16807773
SZS sounds like a poor choice for beginners.

>>16808042
It's surprisingly beginner-friendly as long as you keep in mind the fact that its original target demographic is going to miss a lot of the shit it does too.

>>16808050

>>16808055
There's also a partial transcript in one of the guides in the OP. It has minor kana typos but it makes it easy to look up words.

>>16806493

So should I not be doing Core2k?

>>16808110
Core2k isn't kanji study, it's vocab study.

>>16808113

Oh, okay. As a newshit, I was a bit confused.

>>16807623
Learn kanji radicals and each adjective appears very distinct

>>16807777
I am currently reading Saki, and I have to say that as long as you are (1) familiar with DOBJG and a tiny tiny bit of DOIJG, (2) understand some basic contractions of things like って and know that slang is bound to be used, and (3) have done core 2k, then you should only ever consult a dictionary for words like 速攻 or 失速 or 調子. I would say there is at least one new word per approx. 5 pages, and they are similar to the examples I gave above. Do note that I assume you already know mahjong terms such as 対面, ウマ, 安牌, 北家, 国士無双, 平和, 半荘, 立直, etc. Otherwise, you may have a lot more unknown words per page. Lastly, do realise that some words in the context of mahjong mean really different things. For instance, 切る is used as "discard." (何を切る, what would you discard?). Other examples are 親 and 子, which mean dealer and non-dealer, respectively. Also, in mahjong, the kanji for cardinal directions are pronounced differently. 北 becomes ぺー, 西 becomes シャ, 南 becomes ナン, and 東 becomes トン. I would not recommend reading Saki unless you HAVE read other mangas before. This manga will be somewhat demanding on your vocabulary, but it's still readable and most importantly, enjoyable.

>>16806483
>Ease: 150%
>Ease: 250%

>>16805103
燕雀鴻鵠

>>16808321

>>16806624
The ones run by the military are probably okay. Otherwise shit, even worse than college classes.

Just started over the core 2k/6k again after a year of not doing my reps.
I quit last year after getting to like 1200 words.
I'm doing 75 new cards a day.
I think I will make it.

This video inspired me:
https://youtu.be/62r8m3JyEwg

Can anyone point me to where in the Tae Kim grammar guide the
"ッ" in ガムッシュ is explained?

I only started it a few days ago and I'm sure I read it briefly but I cannot seem to find it again because I am retarded.

>>16808481
It causes the consonant that follows to last longer.

かった
カッタ
katta

>>16808484
nuh-uh it's a glottal stop

>>16808484

Thanks

>>16808491
That's when a consonant doesn't follow it.

>>16808466
Did you watch till the part when he said it was useless?

>When you start using J-J dictionaries

So this is true power, I wish I had done this sooner.

>>16808583
I watched the whole thing, but for some reason he made me want to start again.

I had a different experience with Japan then him, so I'm not disillusioned just yet.

I just want to watch anime without subtitles, and he was able to do it pretty easily it seems.

Are there any new or tv streaming sites anymore?
All I know of is that one and it never came back

おはようおにいちゃん

おにいちゃんいま

なにやってるの

What the hell is って?

>>16808664
Ask Tae Kim.

>>16808244
That was me switching from a really basic version of the Core6k deck to a version of the Core10k with way more information that you would ever need. I did some database magic to move around the review history, but I reset the ease on purpose for some cards that where kana only in the old deck, but had the kanji version of the word in the new deck.

So I just completed Saihate no Ima. It was really hard but I managed. How does Muramasa compare in terms of difficulty? I know they're hard in different ways but both are meant to be in the upper regions of difficulty.

>>16808491
glottal stop is at the end of a word, the term you're looking for is gemination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemination

>>16808597
>[補説]本来の意味とされる「A」で使う人が49.1パーセント、本来の意味ではない「B」で使う人が49.6パーセントという逆転した調査結果が出ている。

>>16808664
>ってって何？

>>16808683
You can read that but are still asking about "difficulty" in DJT?

>>16808712
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>16808735
Muramasa is always named the holy grail of extremely tough Japanese and I just want to know if it's an exaggeration or not. Saihate no Ima is just hard because of technical vocabulary and even then it's only really the last chapter.

>>16808755
What is the point of asking about difficulty when you can spend a few minutes actually reading it?

>>16808756
Good point

>>16808755
You could always look at a 実況 or something on youtube.

さくらのしたなら

ゲロをはいても

ふりんをしても

むざい！

>>16808683
haha what was saihate about champ

抜け出したいなら本気になれ

I've noticed that some people sell used manga on Amazon at 1 円. Are they giving them away for free? (shipping expenses aside)

>>16808982
I've always assumed things like that (not just amazon.jp) are either trying to rack up seller ratings and/or are actually making a little profit on the "shipping fee"

I love japan

so fucking much

>>16808982
>>16809096
Yeah, they make money from the shipping fees, here's an example calculation
https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=97

>>16809100
あのんがにほんをあいしたように

にほんがあのんをあいしますように

>八丁堀の暇人

I'm guessing this is some Edo-jidai reference I'm missing? Anyone know what it might be?

>>16809276
>八丁堀
google says its a location

>>16809300
八丁ってなんだろ

おとうふたべたい

>>16809300
>>16809346

Yeah but who are the 八丁堀の暇人?

Game is set in Edo so assume it's something somewhat known, can't find anything on it.

>>16809350
You're the one reading the game.

>>16809350
とくに前置きがなければ

八丁堀に住んでいる、暇人で知られているwho

そーじゃなければ二つ名

>>16809352
It's never mentioned anywhere else though so it has to be some historical or pop culture reference.

4chanの暇人ども = anonくんたち

Does anyone here who is actually learning Japanese have their syllabus or class schedule? Post it so I can get an idea of how to manage my time and pace myself.

I'm too dumb to get to the right page, can someone link the Amazon page for Kindle LNs that are currently on sale?

>>16809446
暇つぶしは俺たちの得意ですね

>>16809455
https://www.amazon.co.jp/b/ref=amb_link_9jJP_213NlGgnJE0SSpuNg_106?ie=UTF8&node=2410280051&pf_rd_m=AN1VRQENFRJN5&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-6&pf_rd_r=VYAEA9K85YJKNK4CCG6A&pf_rd_r=VYAEA9K85YJKNK4CCG6A&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=6b1a3538-d004-47f5-bbd7-a1dfd8940e37&pf_rd_p=6b1a3538-d004-47f5-bbd7-a1dfd8940e37&pf_rd_i=2313863051

>tfw feels like it's going to take forever to get good at listening
>tfw feels like I am beginning from scratch again even though I can read well

>>16809563
Thanks. Hm, so only Outbreak Company is on sale? Damn, those covers...

>>16809564
Should have watched anime like everyone told you to

>>16809564
I know the feeling. Japanese subs can help ease you into it.

While we're on the topic, I don't know why people fiddle around in AegisSub to retime subs from kitsunekko. In SMPlayer you can press G/Y to go to the next/previous subtitle, so it only takes a couple of seconds to retime. This should be in the guide, in my opinion.

>>16809651
because i dont use aegisub, i use subtitle edit, it only takes a few seconds, hook mpc with agth and cant give up madVR

>>16808597
I think I need to start using one as well, the J-E dictionaries either have translations I don't understand or the meaning overlaps with 10 other words.

Which one are you using?

>>16809609
I watch them with english subtitles because I don't want to miss anything

>>16809651
What do you suggest watching that has japanese subtitles freely available? Other than anime?

>>16804484
Wait, don't nips use always the same few words in the spoken language? How is that hard to understand, as a concept?
After 15+ years of anime it should be easier than learning kanji.

>薬ガンギメでバイブをぶっ押したけど物足りない...
Anyone know what the hell ガンギメ is meant to mean?

>>16809754
Who are you quoting?

>>16809843
I'm not quoting anyone.

What's DJT's opinion on Minna no Nihongo?
I've spent 2 years following the Japanese course at my school using these books with no work outside class but it felt like a waste of time, (mainly because of the teacher).

>>16809935
It can't be good if it gets you caught in the textbook phase for two whole years. You should drop the beginner book after a month or two and read native content.

>>16809935
>no work outside class
Implying it's the teachers fault.

>>16809935
Classrooms are a waste of time and just a way for people who want to learn Japanese but don't want to put in any effort to feel good about themselves.

>計画が絶賛進行中だった！

「絶賛進行中」とはどういう意味ですか？
"Progressing in acclaim?" これは英語ですごく変だ

>>16810046
"moving forward to great acclaim"とか
"being carried out to enthusiastic responses"とか

>>16810046
絶賛○○中 is a thing
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q14139982079

>>16809990
I know I've been lazy and that's why I started doing Core 2k/Tae Kim intensively

How can you people distinguish kanji on the computer screen?
My sight is almost 9/10 and I can't see shit with the notebook on my laps.

>>16810070
>>16810071
Thanks, that's very helpful and pretty much confirmed my suspicion that this is Japanese marketing talk that just doesn't translate very well into English.

>>16805046
How many hours is fulltime? At least six?

>>16810141
You learn the general shape instead of every single stroke. Also context

Does writing down the kanji and your own mnemonic help?

>>16810162
Is it a thing I'll become remarkably better at doing or will I need to zoom everytime?

>>16810166
Yes, but it doesn't help enough to justify the time spent writing.

>>16810175
I remember thinking exactly the same thing and now 1.5 years later it's no problem.

>>16810183
Gives me hope.

>>16810176
And that is simply your opinion. Whether or not writing Kanji is worth it is very subjective, especially people who have trouble remembering shapes simply from seeing them will greatly benefit from writing. Personally I already had a few Kanji which were similar and I didn't definitely know they were different ones until I learned writing. You also have to consider that people have different goals, some people actually want to be able to write you know.

Is EPWING2Anki still good? Or should I switch to something else?

>>16810257
What you just posted is your opinion. What I just posted is not "simply my opinion", it actually reflects reality, unlike your opinion. Yes, my opinion is better than your opinion. Your opinion can be wrong, and it is.

>>16810257
>people who have trouble remembering shapes simply from seeing them will greatly benefit from writing
Citation needed. Hint: there is no such citation.

>>16810266
Well, can you prove it?

>>16810277
Read about visual memory and active recall.
There is no citation for "writing is not worth the time effort" either and you are simply being a hypocrite.

>>16810305
>Read about visual memory and active recall.
I know more about neuropsychology than you do. There is no "writing kanji makes them easier to recognize faster than training recognition does" study.
>There is no citation for "writing is not worth the time effort" either and you are simply being a hypocrite.
Who do you think you're responding to?

>>16810305
>Well, can you prove it?

Yes. I can prove it.

>ばびぶべぼ
>ぱぴぷぺぽ
It's so hard to see the difference between these in small fonts.

>>16810328
non-issue once you git gud and know lots of words

Can we stop shitting up the thread please?

Can we just agree that writing takes a lot of time but can help to recognize kanji easier?

My personal opinion is:

1. learn words / kanji via anki

if it doesn't stick

2. read about it in Kodanshas Kanji Learners Course there are tips to distinguish lookalike kanji

if it doesn't stick

3. write them a few times

Cause if you write down everything you'll be fluent by 2090

>>16810317
Is your degree in neuropsychology then? Mine is not admittedly but active recall is a learning principle which can applied to Kanji and it's generally accepted that writing Kanji helps remembering them. There is no "falling from high buildings will kill you" study either but that is generally accepted to be the result because we know about the principle of gravity, how it affects us and we can observe people falling from buildings who die. You are asking for a citation to a well reasoned claim which goes against your own uncited and unobserved claim. Show me the study that says "writing Kanji is not worth your time" or stop posting because you clearly have some kind of brain deficiency to not understand my point.

>>16810322
Go ahead.

>>16810346
>Go ahead.

Writing complex characters like kanji invokes different neuological pathways than simple characters like kana (1), therefore studies against simple writing systems cannot be used in argument about complex writing systems.

Writing kanji activates different neurological systems than recognizing them (2) and therefore training writing is not a substitute to training recognition, because training writing will not train all the neurological systems required to perform effective recognition.

1: https://www.academia.edu/22676890/Different_neural_substrates_for_Kanji_and_Kana_writing_a_PET_study

2: https://www.academia.edu/16851681/Participation_of_the_left_posterior_inferior_temporal_cortex_in_writing_and_mental_recall_of_kanji_orthography_A_functional_MRI_study

>>16810346
>Is your degree in neuropsychology then?
My degree is in neurolinguistics and neuropsychology is a directly related discipline.

>active recall is a learning principle which can applied to Kanji and it's generally accepted that writing Kanji helps remembering them
It does, the question is whether it's more efficient than passive recognition. If you want better recognition, training recognition is the way to go. This is how it always is.

>There is no "falling from high buildings will kill you" study either
There is.

>You are asking for a citation to a well reasoned claim
It's not a well-reasoned claim, it's subcultural folk knowledge that you assume is common sense, when it's not.

>>16810344
>Cause if you write down everything you'll be fluent by 2090
That a fact?

Anyone here used unnamed japanese text analyzer?

>>16810353
>Writing complex characters like kanji invokes different neuological pathways than simple characters like kana
Which is completely unrelated to the discussion at hand.

>Writing kanji activates different neurological systems than recognizing them
>therefore training writing is not a substitute to training recognition
That seems like a deductive fallacy. That is not what the study says either. Are you honestly saying that if you know how to write a character from memory it doesn't mean you can recognize it in the wild? It seems to me the more neurological systems are in use the more defined the memory will be. Nobody was arguing to abolish recognition here in the first place, only that adding recall can be efficient, a claim you have not disproven. I really can't bother to read both of those documents but simply skimming over it it seems to me a much larger part of the brain is used when writing Kanji (look at the big ass piece of "transcription") which can't be a bad thing. That is assuming either of us even knows what different or more parts of the brain being used for a specific tasks even means and how it affects other parts of the brain or your ability to recognize things. The study doesn't seem to make a conclusion about that.

>>16810362
>efficient
So you agree that writing Kanji can help remembering them but you want to talk about the efficiency of it. There is no way to measure it in the first place and you are doing nothing but putting up your own unfounded claims. I said it is beneficial for some people and your opinion is that it is always inferior to simple recognition training. How does that apply to Kanji that are extremely similar, maybe only have one component which is different. Do you honestly think that you will learn to differentiate between them faster with recognition training than active recall? Because that seems to be nothing but subcultural DJT "knowledge" unless you are willing to show me the objective proof your confidence is based on.

>>16810488
I see, you're a delusional RTK fanboy.

>>16810492
Not really, but you sure are presenting your case splendidly.

>>16810488
>So you agree that writing Kanji can help remembering them but you want to talk about the efficiency of it.
Yes. Literally.
>justify the time spent

>There is no way to measure it in the first place
Time versus progress.

>you are doing nothing but putting up your own unfounded claims
That's what you're doing, not me.

>I said it is beneficial for some people
Anything is beneficial to some people. That's not an argument.

>your opinion is that it is always inferior to simple recognition training
I never stated that.

>How does that apply to Kanji that are extremely similar, maybe only have one component which is different.
Recognition training does in fact cover that.

>Do you honestly think that you will learn to differentiate between them faster with recognition training than active recall?
Why are you speaking in the future tense? I already recognize kanji fine.

>Because that seems to be nothing but subcultural DJT "knowledge" unless you are willing to show me the objective proof your confidence is based on.
Japanese natives do exactly the same thing. They read non-joyo kanji fine, they never practice writing them. You don't have to write all the kanji you learn just to recognize them, which is the assumption you make when you talk about active recall being used to train recognition.

>>16810498
Not an argument.

>>16810317
Some people learn better when they understand how things are formed. With kanji I thinks it's more a case of learning the radicals than having to draw it out, but it's more a case of individual's learning differently.

Like I can't learn shit from flash cards because it's all passive to me. I had to write my own program where I have to type in a response to get anything to stick.

>>16810488
>>Writing kanji activates different neurological systems than recognizing them
>>therefore training writing is not a substitute to training recognition
>That seems like a deductive fallacy.
That's the exact opposite of a deductive fallacy.

>>16810526
Everybody learns language the same way.

>Like I can't learn shit from flash cards because it's all passive to me.
No, you can't learn shit from flash cards because flash cards don't teach you japanese. Flash cards train you on what the flash card is formatted to train you on. If you don't already have the ability to perform the fast the flash card asks you to do, they don't necessarily work.

>I had to write my own program where I have to type in a response to get anything to stick.
Anki already supports this.

Should I delete core2k when I start mining?

>>16810526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2vxUhpks4M

>>16810538
to perform the task*

>>16810513
Are you some kind of youtube skeptic or why do you have to break up every half of my sentence, it's honestly just making it a pain in the ass to respond to you, which is why I won't bother. You're full of shit anyway and not doing anything to prove your claims or disprove mine.

If you want to talk about efficiency: rather than having this discussion I could have learned to draw 50 Kanji I was already able to recognize in the same amount of time I spent discussing it here. You could also have spent the time studying which makes the time not spent on those unholy recall cards seem pretty irrelevant and a petty thing to actually argue against.

>>16810517
Hi Stefan, what argument was I replying to?

>>16810529
I can perfectly redraw the Mona Lisa but if I see it in an art gallery I won't be sure if that is really it because I only know how to draw it. That claim is simply illogical.
Do you mind pointing out to me in the study that says that the areas used for writing and recognizing Kanji are completely unrelated? Actually don't, you don't even know yourself how these studies relate to the discussion and I'm going back to studying instead of exchanging stupid arguments in this shithole.

>>16810587
>Do you mind pointing out to me in the study that says that the areas used for writing and recognizing Kanji are completely unrelated?
They don't need to be completely unrelated, only recognition needs to use systems which writing doesn't, which is true.

>>16810587
>If you want to talk about efficiency: rather than having this discussion I could have learned to draw 50 Kanji I was already able to recognize in the same amount of time I spent discussing it here.
If you're already able to recognize them then learning to write them is a waste of time unless you're already fluent or you specifically need to learn to write.

why is it always the writers

>>16810498
>>16810595

>>16810546
No

>>16810622
Lay out your whole theory. What is that tiny spot supposed to prove? That writing study is inefficient? Because it doesn't do that. Review your argumentation and try again.

>>16810650
Writing covers regions that recognition covers. But it is not a superset. There are parts of recognition that are not covered by writing. Therefore, even though writing covers some of the systems involved in recognition, it does cover all of them. Recognition is a very simple process and every piece matters. If you want to say that "tiny spot" is insignificant, you have to prove it.

>>16810663
Therefore, even though writing covers some of the systems involved in recognition, it doesn't cover all of them.

>>16810665
Thanks for that, fatfingered.

Any easy way to spot which sellers ship overseas on amazon jp? Secondhand complete series are dirt cheap, but most of the sellers will ship only to JP

>>16810663
>>16810665
How does that relate to active recall then? There merely being parts that are not covered, not mentioning it is only that tiny bit neither of us knows the significance of, makes no statement about the efficiency of active recall training. There being overlaps means that active recall affects recognition. That is a fact. The question is how does it affect recognition, something you do not know the answer to and try to find in that tiny piece. Your entire assumption is based on that tiny piece and it is nothing more than trying to find a justification for your dogmatic beliefs in your specific study technique. Basically you are full of shit.

>>16810692
How can you pretend with serious conscience that training yourself by doing <thing that does X but not Y> is a complete method to make yourself better at <think that does both X and Y>?

Yes. If you want to say that "tiny blob" doesn't matter, YOU DO ACTUALLY HAVE TO PROVE IT.

>>16810692
>There being overlaps means that active recall affects recognition
Nobody ever said that it doesn't.

>Your entire assumption is based on that tiny piece
Your entire assumption is based on that tiny piece not mattering. Fuck off.

>>16810692
For all you know, that tiny piece could be the part that actually pulls the kanji from recognition memory. You don't know that the other parts are memory-related at all instead of just things that come with linguistic information or visual information.

その話やめとけ

他人にとってはどうでもいいことじゃろ

youtu.be/3GCoU5Cf45Y#t=27

>>16810692
>Your entire assumption is based on that tiny piece and it is nothing more than trying to find a justification for your dogmatic beliefs in your specific study technique
I was actually kind of okay watching your argument until you reiterated this, but it's not so. Anon is clearly arguing against someone else's statement, not making his own. His entire argument is that it's not proven that writing is not inefficient for learning to recognize kanji. That argument remains valid.

Bringing up neurological studies to show that japanese kanji recall and recognition are different tasks is only a small part of his argument. It is not, in fact, his entire argument.

Your argument that writing is not inefficient is not backed by anything at all. You have not actually made any serious arguments in favor of the idea. You continue to insist that your idea is the common one and that the contrary one is the dogma. It is not so. You are the outsider here.

>>16810706
>>16810712
>>16810717
Why do you not have to prove that it matters comrades? It might be or might not be anything. It could be those guys are just thinking about some big titties because they're bored with the study. Again, you are trying to find proof for your belief in that tiny piece, even though we already established active recall affects recognition and you can't make a serious assessment on how it does you still hold to your pre-established beliefs as if they are facts and not mere opinions.
If you learn how to draw a realistic human body with real proportions, shadows and definition you can draw a stickman.

>>16810732
>Your argument that writing is not inefficient is not backed by anything at all.
That is not my argument though and the notion I have been arguing for the entire time.

Not part of your inane argument but the fMRI lightshow is completely worthless, like most research in this joke of a field.

Time for a 漢文 lesson.
>知者不言、言者不知。塞其兌、閉其門、挫其鋭、解其紛、和其光、同其塵。是謂玄同。故不可得而親、亦不可得而疏。不可得而利、亦不可得而害。不可得而貴、亦不可得而賤。故爲天下貴。

>知る者は言わず、言う者は知らず。その兌（たい）を塞ぎ、その門を閉じ、その鋭を挫き、その紛を解き、その光を和し、その塵に同じくす。これを玄同と謂う。故に得て親しむべからず、また得て疏んずべからず。得て利すべからず、また得て害すべからず。得て貴ぶべからず、また得て賤しむべからず。故に天下の貴となる。

Those who know do not talk.
Those who talk do not know.

Keep your mouth closed.
Guard your senses.
Temper your sharpness.
Simplify your problems.
Mask your brightness.
Be at one with the dust of the earth.
This is primal union.

He who has achieved this state
Is unconcerned with friends and enemies,
With good and harm, with honor and disgrace.
This therefore is the highest state of man.

>>16810752
>>Your argument that writing is not inefficient is not backed by anything at all.
>That is not my argument though and the notion I have been arguing for the entire time
If that's not your argument then you literally don't understand what the people you've been responding to are saying.

>Mine is not admittedly but active recall is a learning principle which can applied to Kanji and it's generally accepted that writing Kanji helps remembering them.

If this statement, which is part of your argument, is related to your argument, and your argument is not about efficiency, then you don't actually disagree with the people you have been responding to.

>>16810760
Cool, thanks.

>>16810762
I had a pretty clear picture of what was going on until you started responding.

What now?

I don't care anymore. I'm out.

>>16810761
彼女いない歴人生どうだ

Can ご案内 mean "invitation"? Seems like I see 誘う used far more often.

People warned me about staying in this place even just another second after getting my ressources. I now see why.

>>16810882
Yes, ご案内 has the meaning as "invitation".
In this case,
Invitation: [countable] a spoken or written request to somebody to do something or to go somewhere.
But 誘う cannot be used in that way.

Is it okay to start reading if you are not finished with tae kim yet? I'm done with the basic grammar section but there is so much vocab, even with 60 new cards in my mining deck everyday (+20 core 2k/6k) it's taking forever...

>>16811016
Sure, if you're okay with having to consult it very often.

>>16811016
Good taste in music.

>Is it okay to start reading if you are not finished with tae kim yet?

Yes. If you're past the basic grammar section, it's time to start trying to read so that seeing the basic grammar in real text helps you actually acquire it. Of course, you should continue reading tae kim, otherwise you won't be able to recognize other basic grammar as easily as you should (all of tae kim's grammar guide is basic grammar).

>>16811012
I was almost certain that that was the case but none of my usual dictionaries could confirm it. ありがとう先輩

How many steps should you have for failed cards?

>>16811125
As many or few as you want. For failed cards, steps don't matter that much, it's mostly about the length of the longest step.

>>16811018
>>16811031
Alright, 行きましょう！

>>16810837
>衆人皆有餘。而我獨若遺。我愚人之心也哉。沌沌兮。俗人昭昭。我獨若昬。俗人察察。我獨悶悶。忽兮若海、漂兮若無所止。衆人皆有以。而我獨頑似鄙。我獨異於人、而貴食母。

>衆人はみな余りあり。而うしてわれはひとり遺るるがごとし。われは愚人の心なるかな。沌沌たり。俗人は昭昭たり。われはひとり昏きがごとし。俗人は察察たり。われはひとり悶悶たり。忽として海のごとく、漂として止まるところなきがごとし。衆人はみな以うるところあり。而うしてわれはひとり頑にして鄙に似る。われはひとり人に異なりて、母に食わるるを貴ぶ。

Others have more than they need, but I alone have nothing.
I am a fool. Oh, yes! I am confused.
Others are clear and bright,
But I alone am dim and weak.
Others are sharp and clever,
But I alone am dull and stupid.
Oh, I drift like the waves of the sea,
Without direction, like the restless wind.

Everyone else is busy,
But I alone am aimless and depressed.
I am different.
I am nourished by the great mother.

Transcription of the first chapter of Zettai Reiiki: https://pastebin.com/raw/Mebtn0Nz

>>16811281
Wow you sure are skilled!

さくら花の状態をあらわすにほんご
ankiしてね
がんばっておにいちゃん

つぼみ膨らむ
開花
いち分咲き
に分咲き
さん分咲き
・・・
く分咲き
満開
桜吹雪
葉桜

>>16811285
What?

At the "next episode preview" at the end of an anime episode I hear something like
"ごshikiご鞭撻のほど
I don't get what shiki word fits here though, anyone know?

>>16811219
そっか

>>16811307
次回：昭和元禄落語心中第ｘ話
どうぞご贔屓ご鞭撻のほど

>>16811318
That's what I thought too but there's a clear し sound

>>16811325
No, it's his accent. There's one episode where Konatsu does the preview and you can hear it clearly.

>>16811328
そこまでわかっていればなんとかなるんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>ご指導ご鞭撻

>>16811328
>No, except yes.
Well alright, though more than one announcer does it.

>>16811366
I didn't say that.
To expand on this, take a look at the last panel of this random page from the manga.

>>16811394
I said し sound and you said No... this panel proves there is a し sound, the furigana is literally しと.
I got it's the dialect though so it's all good.

>>16811435
There's a し sound but the word isn't しいき, just like 人 isn't しと. You said that's what you had thought at first *but* [...] = you thought it was another word, to which I replied "no".
Well, whatever. You have your answer now.

>>16811435
They say the し, but it's not the same し as the し in 下, etc. It's a dialectal variation that isn't actually encoded losslessly in the kana.

holy しt

>自分に打ち克つのは克己って書くくらいで難しいナァー！！
Overcoming yourself is as hard as writing self denial? Or what exactly is "って書くくらいで"?

>>16811510
It's hard to overcome yourself just by writing 克己. Basically "talk is cheap."

>>16811599
Ah, makes sense. Thanks

So I'm a languages teacher (yuro languages, not Japanese) and I popped my head in here out of curiosity. You guys seriously try to learn the grammar just by reading a grammar guide? No exercises or contextual introduction? やれやれだぜ

>>16811712
No exercises, but our "contextual introduction" is reading actual japanese. It's faster than normal japanese classes.

>>16811720
That's not tailored to introduce you to new grammar concepts in a structured way though. Yes, it's fast, but in the same way that getting run over by a truck is a fast way to get a flat stomach. It'd be better to have at least some idea of what you're going to encounter, rather than unpredictable natural speech. The guide recommends some textbooks that look good, I'm just surprised to see that they don't seem to be well used in the thread.

Incidentally, Quizlet is much better than Memrise in my teaching experience- it's a similar idea but it wasn't coded by spastic heroin addicts and the quick-response games are a good way to test what you know on the instinctive level.

after knowing all my kana, is it better to grind Kanji in anki or read tae kim? I did a little bit of both and I really like the way tae kim gives me an understanding of the sentence examples from anki when I go back. Tae kim has tons of kanji though. Are they low level enough that after a week or two of anki I'll have covered most of the kanji used in tae kim? Would it be better to finish tae kim as fast as I can before going on anki?

>>16811712
>>16811750
Go away retard. The results of university language programs speak for themselves. Your way is wrong.

>>16811750
>That's not tailored to introduce you to new grammar concepts in a structured way though. Yes, it's fast, but in the same way that getting run over by a truck is a fast way to get a flat stomach.

Skim this: http://archive.is/uUBgW

Introducing grammar concepts in a structured way is actually slower in practice than naturally being exposed to them in real language with the right difficult level, as long as enough exposure for both structured introduction and natural exposure are given. The reason is that structured introduction is too finely-tuned and doesn't match the way people naturally acquire grammar features (i.e. in groups and by individual properties of those features, not by textbook chapters).

>It'd be better to have at least some idea of what you're going to encounter, rather than unpredictable natural speech.

Current idea is that reading a beginner's grammar guide, without trying to master it, is enough. People will always run into stuff they don't understand. That's just a fact of language learning.

>>16811763
It's better to do both simultaneously. You don't have to study the vocabulary used in Tae Kim's guide, what's important is grasping the grammar concepts. That said, most of the words are so elementary that you'll learn them all sooner or later.

>>16811771
Given that nobody would be getting onto those university language courses without us in the first place, I think I'll take what I know from my professional training and experience over the salty, fatty tears of a random neet.

>>16811775
I agree that it's better to have both in combination, but I can't see the point of just reading through a guide passively rather than actively completing exercises to help aid retention of concepts. Active language analysis and manipulation is an important partner to absorbing vocab and context in order to get the most out of both. Maybe the difference is that this thread seems to be mostly for focusing on developing the passive skills, rather than active skills.

>>16811809
>from my professional training and experience

Your experience doing what? "Teaching" people for fours years so that at the end of it maybe they can read a really simple novel with the aid of a dictionary? You and all your colleagues are fucking frauds scamming gullible kids who don't know any better out of tens of thousands of dollars.

>>16811809
Active language analysis and manipulation make a lot of learners throw up their affective filter. It's better to leave it for the people who seek it, because showing it to people that don't want it will make them learn slower instead of faster. Once they start acquiring the language's "psychology", they'll start analyzing and manipulating things on their own.

For example, having a conversation requires a "fluent psychology" (ad-hoc term, not real jargon) in the language as well as experience with having conversation itself. It turns out that "experience with having conversation" is a much easier goal to attain than "fluent psychology".

For some reason, it turns out that the overwhelming majority of psychological fluency in the language can be attained, and is attained with the greatest efficiency, through passive exposure, as long as that passive exposure is deep enough (i.e. not just watching anime for an hour a week for a couple years, with no other exposure to the language.). This doesn't mean that reading is everything. Reading doesn't give you a very good understanding of the language's prosody and phonetics.

In that way, this community's real tunnelvision is not avoiding "active" language training (since active language training is so much less effective than sheer input, even though both help), but rather the fact that it focuses so much on reading-as-opposed-to-listening. For a lot of the people here, their only exposure to japanese is through text. For example, I've been looking for a way to legally freely stream japanese live action television, anything at all, as long as it's not literally radio, and I can't find it.

>>16807773
>MAL

>>16811836
I don't think that's true, a lot of people watch anime. The reason we don't watch liveaction is because it's garbage, I was watching the liveaction version of Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso and it's much much worse than the anime.

>>16811907
Just to be clear I wasn't talking about live action fiction, but rather stuff like tantei knight.

>>16811907
i think no matter which dimension its in that show is a hunka shit

>>16811789
I'll do that then. Reason I ask is because some examples in anki are actually conjugated version of the word on the card so you gotta do a bit of research before understanding that it's just this part of the sentence but used in X way. Thanks

>>16807773
Any other charts?

>>16811989
There's similar charts for VNs in the CoR in the OP.

>>16807773
What about a chart of actually good things?

>>16811998
SZS and ZR are "actually good things".

>>16812000
If your IQ is below 100 maybe.

>>16812019
My IQ is probably higher than yours.

>>16812019
Say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens

>>16812000
I tried to read SZS and it threw a billion refs at me and I やめとくed the hell outta there.

>>16812069
You're pretty much supposed to miss most of them even if you're japanese.

>>16812069
You need this to read SZS properly.
http://wiki.kumetan.net/index.php?%E3%81%95%E3%82%88%E3%81%AA%E3%82%89%E7%B5%B6%E6%9C%9B%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F%E5%90%84%E8%A9%B1%E3%83%AA%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88

>>16812019
I seriously and honestly envy people who can enjoy garbage

If low IQ grants that skill then I would gladly give my points away

>>16812109
Take some stimulants, you'll enjoy everything.

>>16812109
I think there is enough good content out there that I wouldn't want to give away my brain cells for a bit more. Not being a Yotsubato shit eater at the end of the day is a feeling I cherish.

>>16811836
I think the focus on reading here comes mostly from the fact that everyone is already watching anime. It's also easier to understand written Japanese when you are a beginner thanks to being able to take it as slow as you need to

Personally I tell everyone to watch anime though

Getting a length error with this thing I'm trying to pastebin, where can I pastebin 126k characters of text and have it stay?

>>16812305
https://safe.moe/

>>16812308
Thanks.

https://a.safe.moe/QVDuf.txt

Current working version of Sakubi - Yesterday's Grammar Guide. p-please respond

雌犬
雌伏

Anyone know that kanji? thanks

>>16812361
I see you're a new IP.

You can hand-draw the kanji into google translate. It should spit out a reasonable result. If it doesn't, post a screenshot of it failing to give a reasonable result.

>>16812363
Yea I was trying that on jisho, but it wasnt showing up, I just tried on google and after a bit it showed up, its 遅い, thanks for the help

Is this a regional dialect or something?

>>16812447
脳が壊れて文字化けになったのか

>>16811809
>Given that nobody would be getting onto those university language courses without us in the first place, I think I'll take what I know from my professional training and experience over the salty, fatty tears of a random neet.
Now that's hilarious. Everything must be so beautiful from your pedagogical training's idealized perspective... but just look at actual students doing these courses, none of them can learn Japanese.
And all of them who come here end up saying how much more effective DJT is compared to shitty uni courses.

Unless you intend going for a full-time language course in Japan, it's a complete waste of time.

尻がかゆい

Can anyone identify this kanji?

>>16812540
I sure can't, you're on your own here bucko.

>>16812447
I never did figure out how to get that game working right.

>>16812540

ったく

>>16812548
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one, but I'm disappointed there isn't a good solution. I just installed 続・悦楽の胤 and it has the same problem.

熒
「ひかり」と読むらしい

It feels really nice to see the Mature count go up a little bit.

>>16812582
I'm under the impression you just need to install the Japanese language pack for it.

>>16812582
Have you tried setting your computer's date/time region to Japan?

>>16812602
Thanks. I didn't recognize it and it wasn't showing up in any drawing/radical searches I know of.

greatest love story ever told

So...which order is best to go through the guide?

Learning Japanese or 'Now what do I do to actually learn Japanese?'

Both seem to offer different paths.

>>16812826
use https://compellingcontent.neocities.org/longguide.html instead

>>16812826
The guide only describes what you'll need to study and the various methods recommended for each step, there's no set order aside from 1. kana; 2. everything else.

So basically, the best approach to Tae Kim is to just read through it, then refer back to it whenever?

>>16812911
Yes.

>>16812911
You don't "just" read it, obviously. You're supposed to read attentively and do your best to learn its contents. But otherwise yeah.

Will watching anime actually get me good enough to watch regular Japanese TV shows or should I stick to trying (and failing mostly) to understand them? I can understand anime pretty well though

>>16813019
do both, post results

>>16810761
>>16811219
When this was written, the Yayoi people had not even yet come to Japan. That text is a thousand years older than the earliest known Japanese sentence. One can only shudder at imagining the chance to know what the Yayoi language looked like before contact with the original inhabitants of the Japanese isles.

>>16813031
Deep

>>16812911
For certain types of learners taking notes will help. Processing and writing down a condensed form of what you're reading helps to solidify your understanding and improves recall.

But that applies to all studying really.

>>16813019
>will listening to Japanese help with listening to Japanese?
I think you might be on to something here

>>16813084
Anything naturally spoken is way harder to understand though

>>16810498
so is this accurate?

>>16813019
There's still variation in TV

If you're talking about NHK anchors, slow dramas or that generic announcer voice telling you about a rare owl or some amazing toilet brush, it's not harder than anime at all.

If you're talking about street interviews with mumbling old people, 15 minute long rakugo, or a high speed rant by a pissed-off autist, anime is unlikely to directly help

It's best to practice using what you're practicing for

>>16813106
Which is why I'm wondering if it would be better to keep trying to listen to naturally spoken things rather than watching something like anime where I can already understand majority

>>16813192
I guess a lot of talk shows and speaking to natives so anime probably won't help

>>16812540
>>16812602
栄の旧字が榮だったり

営の旧字が營だったり

蛍の旧字が螢だったり

するけど

かきにくいから１００年くらいまえに

やめたよ

i keep hearing that a game can be 'kino' in some positive light, but in romaji its fucken useless to me
anybody know the kanji? tried jisho and google already

>>16813386

>>16813386
If you're hearing this "in romaji", it's not Japanese, just that retarded /tv/ m*me.

>>16813400
一匹釣ったァァァ

>>16813400
ah i see, thanks

>>16813369
今は日本語の文字ほとんどローマ字変換で入力しているわけで、そう考えると戻った方がいいかもしれない