/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>16706047
Remilia
Yukari
Mystia
Aya
Satori
Nue
Miko
Seija
Sagume

Another day, another 1CC. UFO this time.
I never thought a single final card would make me waste so many resources.
Also, any idea how to capture Toramaru's shitty green cross card?
Currently having fun trying SA on Hard but, as I once was a few months ago when I started playing Normal, I'm stuck at stage 5. I guess this is only a matter of time before I adjust myself to the difficulty.

>>16706047
Sakuya
Yuyuko
I don't play the fighting games enough to say anything.
No idea. Perhaps Mystia.
I don't play PoFV.
Nitori.
Utsuho.
Kogasa.
I wanted to say Yuyuko again but her patterns aren't good this time to like her as a boss so no idea.
Sukuna, even though she's pretty hard.
Doremy. (but LoLK is shit)

>>16706047
Assuming we're talking about their bossfights and not about the characters as a whole: Flandre, Yukari, Keine, Eiki, Aya, Koishi, Murasa, Seiga, Seija, Junko.
Haven't played PC98 much, so the only ones I'm certain of are Konngara and PoDD Reimu.

I tried to think of my favourite boss in EoSD but I can't even think of one interesting pattern from any stage. Game is bland as hell.

>>16706047
Remilia
Prismriver
Reisen
Hina
Satori
Nue
Seiga
Seija
Doremy

Meiling, Youmu, Marisa, Suwako, Okuu, Byakuren, Miko, Seija, and Sagume.

Suwako's fight is so comfy, it's not even hard for the most part, but all the cards are neat and lead to fun dodging.

>>16706150
>but her patterns aren't good this time
Yuyuko has never had good patterns.

>>16706047
Recently just started playing so I could catch up with the games and have completed EoSD, PCB and IN for now and my favorite bosses are probably

Sakuya
Youmu
Mokou although it's mostly due to her theme which probably is my favorite theme in the series for now although the boss fight is still pretty fun

LLS: Yuuka (stage 6)
MS: Yumeko
EoSD: Meiling
PCB: Prismrivers or Ran
IN: Mokou
MoF: Hina
SA: Satori
UFO: Byakuren
TD: Futo
DDC: Sekibanki
LoLK: Doremy

>>16706047
Patchy
Yuyuko
Marisa
Eiki
Sanae
Utsuho
Murasa
Mamizou
Raiko
Sagume

>>16706047
Sakuya
Yuyuko
Eirin
Suwako
Utsuho
Nue
Mamizou
Raiko
Junko

Am i supposed to clear all the stages in the photoshoot games?
Or just enough to unlock the next stage?

>>16706391
You 'beat' it when you unlock the ex stage, which means clearing 66 scenes of your choice in StB. I don't recommend spending too much time attempting to clear the extra stages unless you really liked LoLK's pointdevice mode and don't mind dying hundreds of times.

Some of the posts in this are mine. I don't get it, is this guy trying to say I'm a secondary?

>>16706501
Some of the famous WR (western record) holders that posted on /jp/ in the past proclaimed themselves as quarternaries and teritaries and such, maybe being a primary isn't even something you want to be.

>>16706599
I get that it's just par for the course 4chan elitism, but how does using patches to make my games harder and playing fangames because I can't get enough Touhou make me a secondary?

>>16706501
are you bothered by a fucking brain meme

>>16706629
Anyone using that template is absolutely taking the piss and you should stop taking it seriously (along with all of 4chan's attempts to be elitist in general), but the obvious explanation would be that playing secondary games makes you a secondary.

At this point it honestly doesn't even make less sense than half the shit people come up with to explain it, so just enjoy yourself.

>>16706629
Because people using this shitty brain meme, even disguised, are fucking normalfag cancers that should be wiped out of 4chan.
Unfortunately, such idiots are allowed to roam free.

You autistic shitheads need to learn to take a joke for once in your lives.

>>16706501
My post made it to the nueposting category?
Too bad its lumped together with lewdposting perverts, leave my daughter alone.

>>16706640
Far from it, I'm just curious about the rationale.

>>16706643
Makes sense I guess. Seems kind of silly, though. Maybe they are secondary games, but the appeal is the same appeal of "primary" Touhou.

>>16706649
>let's pollute the board with atrociously uninspired trash that is originally made to flame and troll
This shit has nothing to do on this board, even ironically.

>>16706678
>atrociously uninspired
Nothing posted here has ever been inspired.

>originally made to flame and troll
They are primarily posted for the purposes of humor. Just because you don't find it funny and loathe all memes that came from elsewhere doesn't magically transform them into "flaming" or "trolling."

>>16706690
Get out

>>16706695
Who died and appointed you board police, shithead?

>>16706690
What part of this shitty meme is "funny"?
"huehuehue if you do/like what I don't, then you have the brain of an ape unlike me and my patrician tastes huehuehue"
So funny, oh yeah. You should get out.

>>16706214
Sylphae Horn, Megalith, Sakuya 2nd non, Killing Doll, Scarlet Meister, Scarlet Gensokyo

>>16706047
Starting from MS:
Yumeko
90FPS Flan
Yuyuko
Reimu
Shikieiki
Kanako
Utsuho
Shou
Mamizou
Haven't played DDC much
Seiran

>>16706699
>What part of this shitty meme is "funny"?
People find them funny for the same reason that people often find tier lists and power ranks and other collections of posts funny, which have been posted on 4chan for years and years.

>So funny, oh yeah. You should get out.
Nobody forces you to find it funny. That's OK. You don't have to enjoy everything that everyone posts because you're a human being who's entitled have an opinion about what's funny and what's not. What you don't get to do is enforce your own rules about what belongs or doesn't belong with retarded backseat modding shit.

>>16706712
Stop shitting up the thread

>>16706717
You can dish it, but you can't take it. Sad.

>>16706730
I'm not even the same guy you were talking to
Just stop

>>16706735
>I'm not even the same guy you were talking to
Which is, of course, why you singled out me and not him. He's allowed to have an opinion, but nobody is allowed to contradict that opinion because you agree with it. Duly noted.

>>16706738
Just fuck off already

>>16706743
As soon as you stop samefagging, shitheel.

>>16706738
Dude.
Your shitty meme is not welcome.
Stop shitflinging on a fucking Touhou thread, they aren't even worth actual discussion about hard Spellcards to capture, or stuff regarding scoring, which are both relevant to the thread and are much more worthy pieces of information.
Blogshit about how hard that game is if you wish to do so, but stop using a shitty meme that doesn't bring anything to the table.

>>16706760
>Your shitty meme is not welcome.
Who died and appointed you board police?

>Stop shitflinging on a fucking Touhou thread
I'll tell you a secret: you're flinging just as much shit, and probably more, because you're the one who ignited this shitfest in the first place by deciding that other people's images were shit and then deciding that everybody who disagrees has to Get Out of /jp/ (TM).

>they aren't even worth actual discussion about hard Spellcards to capture, or stuff regarding scoring, which are both relevant to the thread and are much more worthy pieces of information.
Nobody's stopping you from discussing these things. You could discuss them literally right now! You're not, though, so shove it up your ass.

This thread is ruined, RUINED!

Pls no bullying, remember the thread subject!

Cirno
Yukari
Keine
Sanae
Yuugi
Kogasa
Seiga&Yoshika
Raiko
Clownpiece

http://replays.gensokyo.org/replays/th07/th7_udMa15.rpy
Can't deal with this fucking cage and lost way too many resources on it. Got fucking damn it.

Next goal: Lunatic 2.7b.

>>16706047
Fight-wise or character-wise? I'll just do both.

Fight: Patchouli, Yukari, Eirin, Kanako, Koishi, Byakuren, Mamizou, Yatsuhashi, Ringo

Character: Rumia, Yuyuko, Reimu (otherwise Eirin), Sanae (my favorite character in the series), Utsuho, Nue, Futo, Wakasagihime, Junko

what is the point of covering up your name when literally everyone in here knows who you are

>>16707044
?

Sakuya
Youmu
Mokou
Eiki
Kanako
Utsuho
Nue
Miko
Kagerou
Clownpiece
From all those kanako is probably my favorite since it was one of the bossfights i suffered the most since MoF was my first game

>>16707044
covering up the real name, of course

Seeing that people are casually posting shitty /v/ templates here. I think it's finally time to leave.

>>16707209
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

>>16707044
sup dude

>>16707044
desu idk who that ufo superplayer is

>>16707425
25oku is not yet superplay. still not much compared to the actual wrs like kg

>>16706047
>Who's your favorite boss in each game?

Battle wise:
Flandre
Yukarin
Keine
Yuuka
Kanako
Utsuho
Nue
Miko
Sukuna
Hecatia

Character wise:
Remilia
Yuyuko
Suika
Keine
Komachi
Sanae
Utsuho
Kogasa
Yuyuko
Benben
Clowpi

>>16706227
delet

>>16707462
Superplay for this place standards then?

I finally got around to making some Marisa attempts at the later games only to find that ZUN thought it would be a good idea to add an extremely annoying sound effect to her lasers. This was after I assumed the noise was a driver issue, bug or even a hardware issue with my computer or amp. I eventually ruled those out and found out it's actually feature. It seems to play only during Marisa's Illusion Laser and affects games 12, 13, 14 and 15. For those who aren't aware of what I'm talking about, this is the sound effect: https://my.mixtape.moe/gshvvv.wav

It's particularly noticeable in LoLK because, for some reason (bug?), it will continue to play, even after you've died, during the 'restart from last checkpoint' screen in pointdevice mode. This only seems to happen if you die while unfocused. After only a couple hours of practice with Marisa, I couldn't bear it any longer. Outside of LoLK, you can't hear it most of the time unless you just started a stage or the bgm is quiet.

I made a small mod for thcrap that just completely removes the sound effect since I didn't think removing it from the game dats would be a good idea if I wanted to share it or turn it off in the future.

If anyone wants it I'll upload it because I'm not going to put it in a repo.

>>16707487
>for thcrap
why?

>>16707475
There's only one superplayer that frequently posts here and he plays IN.

>>16706213
Might add the "characters as a whole" part at this point: Sakuya, Yukari, Mokou, Eiki, Kanako, Koishi, Byakuren, Seiga, Seija, Junko. Mima for HrtP, Yumemi for PoDD.

>>16707510
You could always patch it into the .dats yourself with something like thtk, but that would be a pain in the ass and you wouldn't be able to turn it on and off as a launch option.

>>16707487
>you can't hear it most of the time
Then why are you so bothered by it?
Also, what's the point of using crap if you are not puttin it in a repo?

>>16707462
It's not superplay, but at least it got me on the memelist of good scores. I'm happy I reached my goal anyway (which was a good score), and I'm definitely going to push it higher to an even better score.

>>16707559
Like I said, there's a serious problem with the sound effect in LoLK. I'd only consider making a repo if it's actually something people want because I made it for myself originally.

>>16707564
I think that list just tells you what the borderline for calling your run a ``score'' run is

>>16707733
the list is just there for western players to feel good about their inferior runs. there seems to be quite a large fetishism in the community in regards to making it on that list. something i will never quite understand

Are there any actual strategies for Patchouli's water spell card on normal? Or is it just "keep your bomb finger ready and hope for the best"/"switch to a different character"?

Beginner here. What are some practice exercises I can do to start the day off, other than just starting up a game and flying into stray bullets on stage 1 over and over?

>>16707903
t. Normal scrub

>>16707977
He is literally the best player in this thread though.

>>16707987
but what are we gonna do if we cant even use ad hominems?!

>>16708005
post fake scores?

>>16708007
Following the trend from last thread with IN extra, then.

>>16707903
By the way, just to clarify: Do you mean pnd's list (which the Japs also use) or do you mean the Hall of Fame or Records or whatever.

>>16707908
Which card are you talking about? Water Elf?

>>16708030
pnd's list though it can apply to both

>>16708040
Princess Undine

>>16708042
The easterners love being on that list, too. And ditto for the LNN(N) thread on Eientei. More of them care about being on either list compared to how many westerners care.

>>16708030
congrats on the wr again u talented jap

>>16707922
Practice on specific stages you have problems with instead of replaying the whole game.
Or if you're a beginner in the sense you still have trouble with earlier stages, try to not lose lives in the first two at least.

>scarlet gensokyo
>maze of love
>genetics of the subconscious

this shit has ended so many runs god damn

>>16708030
literally the best player in the world

>>16708172
Why do so many people have problems with maze of love? I don't get it. Never had any issues capturing with both Reimu and Marisa and I fucking suck.

>>16708205
I had serious issues with it at first playing Reimu, I even considered staying at the bottom using the score strat and simply bombing if I'm about to get hit.
But once you get used to the movement it's actually fairly simple.

>>16708172
Scarlet Gensokyo isn't that bad.
Scarlet Meister, on the other hand...

>>16707487
Is there a downside to putting it up in a repo so anyone who wants it can get it? Legit curious.

>>16708257
I find meister easier

Woot. Might not sound like such a big deal to you Touhou meisters but made it up to Yuyuko on Hard mode.
And I actually went rather far into her fight. Sadly, the blue steaks of knives non-spell cost me 3 bombs due to a miscalculation and I also didn't deathbomb my last life with 2 bombs remaining.
What a waste.
That said, the fight with Youmu went much better than expected. She always used to terminate my runs.

>>16708390
Putting it up in a repo? No, there isn't, but I don't want to bother emailing thpatch admins so that it shows up in thcrap by default, unless it's a mod people would actually use.

>>16708582
Oh well.

>>16707487
Here's the mod if somebody wants it.

https://my.mixtape.moe/wddagz.tar.gz

>>16708741
>Oh well.
Did you fail the survival? It happens. Congrats for the 1cc regardless.

>>16708762
What do you mean? This spell doesn't work like IN's last spells. You have to do it all the way. I didn't capture it, if that's what you were asking. I just wasn't expecting to do my first Hard 1CC right now.

>>16708769
Yes, I assumed you were disappointed because you hadn't managed to capture the final spell.

>>16708821
Dude, I was going for survival. I couldn't care less if I can't capture this or that card as long as I managed to grab what I initially came here for.

>>16707908
>>16708050

>>16708868
One response, just for you!
get lucky or be japanese

>>16707908
>>16708050
>>16708868
That particular spellcard is broken.
It can randomly give you almost impossible to dodge RNG.

I'm pretty sure ZUN was drunk - more so than usual - when he was making that one.
Like >>16708908 said, you just gotta get lucky with the RNG.
Dodge the big balls and try to move as little as possible when she fires the lasers, next wave, dodge the big ones again, you want to dodge the smaller balls by moving upwards towards Patchy while still moving horizontally as little as possible and pray that the big/small balls and lasers don't overlap in a way that makes them undodgeable.

Funny thing is, the Hard version of that spellcard is pathetically easy.

>>16708908
>>16708933
Thanks. Indeed, the problem here are the big bullets that she shoots after the lasers. I get the impression that they're easier to dodge if I manage to stay right under her, but it seems mostly random. Oh well.

>>16708971
Obviously you're supposed to try and stay under her the entire time, but unfortunately sometimes the big balls will force you to move to one of the sides and if that happens it's almost impossible to get back under her.

Approximately what difficulty is EoSD Extra stage equivalent to? Hard?

>>16709146
It's less difficult than Hard, but like Extra stages in general, it has more focus on memorization and gimmicks, and so can seem more difficult from the start.

EOSD: Sakuya
PCB: Primsriver Sisters
IN: Kaguya
SA: Satori
UFO: Byakuren

Didn't enjoyed MoF for some reason, sorry.

>>16709146
>>16709196
I thought it was slightly more difficult than hard when I was a new player, mainly because of the fact that you can use planned bombs to get through every single difficult section in a hard clear. It is however, significantly more difficult than a lunatic clear.

>>16709146
>>16709196
I thought it was slightly more difficult than hard when I was a new player, mainly because of the fact that you can use planned bombs to get through every single difficult section in a hard clear. It is however, significantly less difficult than a lunatic clear.

>>16709146
It's between Normal and Hard, like the rest of the Extras. While learning the patterns and gimmicks obviously helps, EoSD's Extra in particular isn't as gimmicky as, say, IN's or MoF's.

Got an ending for the first time.

Now to do so without continues and liberal usage of bombs

I've been wondering: on stage 3 of EoSD normal, at the part with those enemies that shoot blue kunai, is it better to stream or just kill them and collect the score items above the PoC?

why is MoF's life gain system so counter-intuitive

if you can score well to gain more lives, then you're probably already good at the game and then don't need the lives anyway, right?
like I'm practicing normal MoF trying for my 1cc and it just seems backwards as fuck, more lives are helpful for people that die alot, but you only get more lives by not dying or bombing for better score... so...

does it count if I 1cc with marisaBug?

>>16710181
I think in a sense you're correct but from what I'm used to in PCB and IN, gaining lives from PoC seems alot less complex than gaining lives from scoring, I guess was my point.

>>16710148
Oh right, one more thing.

>does it count if I 1cc with marisaBug?
No. And you should be using the vpatch to disable that bug anyway.

Also, I'm guessing you haven't played EoSD?
Because the life gain system in EoSD is exactly the same as MoF.

>>16710650
Not with that attitude.

My least favorite place to die is is that bulllet hell after mid boss Sakuya. I hate risking losing 3 bombs on Sakuya's opener.

Also I just had to deal with Sakuya's stage 6 spell card with no bombs. I surprisingly got really close to capturing it but died at the last moment. Also before I re-spawned the spell timed out and she didn't get me a bomb.

It didn't matter I played poorly at Remi anyway.

Why is UFO so bad? From the characters, the game-play, the mechanics and the music, everything is just so bad.
UFO's mechanic is so very annoying, it is very hard to get ANY lifes or bomb pieces because the UFOs keep on CHANGING COLOR. I HATE it when I should have one-credit-cleared the game on Normal Mode, if not due to the shitty life system. And WHY did ZUN make it so you start at the start of the stage every time I continue? Just having TWO lives combined with the shitty resource system I can't even make it past stage 6 to PRACTICE the stage. Not mentioning how ANNOYING Byakuren is.
Overall the game has god awful glowshit patterns that induce puking and gagging every time you get hit by bullets blending with each other. But thankfully stage 4 and stage 5 are piss easy compared to stage 6 so I'll clear this soon and never play this dumb shitty game ever again.

>>16713096
I was talking about stage 6. If you mean you don't get a bomb from timing it out I know. Had I not died I would have killed her before the time out or If I had not tried so hard to dodge and died earlier she would have died from me being under her more.

I just thought it sucked. Not only did I die but I also missed out on the bomb.

>>16713021

The UFOs really aren't that hard to get most of the time and the game gives you so many that even if you miss a good amount of them you should have more resources than pretty much any other Touhou game bar DDC/LOLK with certain characters.

Also the music is amazing.

I'll agree with you that MOF/SA/UFO's continue system is annoying though

Orinrin land is fun. Thank God I finally captured all of her spellcards.

>>16715364

The way I do it is I go right under mokou in the beginning, then go down to the bottom of the screen when she fires the first shot and go a little to the left so that she jukes in that direction. After she starts shooting the arrow danmaku I circle up to the right and over her head, then go to the bottom left corner until she shoots another explosion thing. After she shoots it I move to the right as much as I can and then after it explodes I move back left. Usually she's about dead at this point (using border team).

If you screw up though everything goes to shit which is why I always get hit like 3 or more times if I get hit once.

>>16715996
It's obvious that for survival goals, Marisa B doesn't mean anything if abusing that glitch.

Score runs with that shot are an entirely different matter altogether. Also someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the MarisaB world records don't use that glitch on most spellcards since you get faith/point items (I forget which) if you're at full power.

>>16716055
Was the safespot in Okuu's third spellcard intentional? There's no way you can miss something that big while coding for FOUR spellcard.

Almost 1cc'd Perfect Cherry Blossom on Ultra Lunatic. Ultra makes Yuyuko and Youmu a whooole lot harder.

>>16710148
I think you're supposed to reach exactly 8 extends.

>reached stage 6 of SA Hard
Even though I lost the two lives I had in the most stupid fashion ever (a hell crow and Youkai Blazing Wheel) I have HIGH hopes about 1CC'ing this shit.

>>16716696
Yes! I'm also excited to see the 700m becoming reality.

Thank you for posting the replay, anon.

>>16717351
japs think he cheated

I've been too tired from real life to practice lately. Even right now I feel like going to bed at 4PM but obigations are keeping me awake until like 6PM. I managed to beat Ran a while ago, and was doing fantastic progress on Yukari compared to how much of a struggle it was to beat Ran, but I haven't played it in like a week and I can feel my slowly accumulated skills draining away.

>>16717500
Yeah. Earlier I had a 1CC attempt ruined by Remi for the third time today. I think I'll try again tomorrow...

>>16717500
It's bad to get excited when the fight starts. You're gonna lose your concentration and it will ruin your reflexes.
However, when I hit the last card and I have very few/no resources, nothing can prevent my body from shaking and my heart from racing.

>>16717731
What about, say, Seiran's last spellcard? Is it cheating to "safespot" that by getting close to her, then circling around to avoid her triangle danmaku?

>>16718058
Oh, that makes sense. Sorry, I didn't read the full conversation. Using the MarisaB bug is definitely not on the same level as safespotting a spell.

>>16717473
>japs
you mean that one obnoxiously loud "jap" who got everyone to believe 稼符一族 cheated because he couldn't get the actual wr?

>>16718159
t. ichizoku

>>16718251
>Sorry for blogging, I don't know what the point of this post was.
It was being a HUGE FAGGOT
...or, to be told something nice about it like don't give up and stuff? Dunno but it might be time for you to ask yourself why are you playing these games.
To me, I play because I enjoy it. It doesn't matter if there is several people that is better with my favorite shot at my favorite game, I'm not playing to be better than them and without them it would be harder to get better for me.
Now, if you are playing only to about your kickass normal 1cc in touhou, then it may be more frustrating that is needed to be.
Also
>the guy just completely destroys the game like it's nothing
This guy died to shit you would never do in normal survival and practiced a lot in order to obtain this.

>>16718365
And holy shit, that capture is annoying. WHO THE HELL CAPTURES WITH THE SOUND OF THE KEYBOARD IN YEAR 2017 FFS

>>16718401

Maybe... because he was livestreaming?

>>16718251
Practice.

>>16719339
1ccs are difficult when you don't understand anything about the game. for a beginner of course 1ccs are nice to get. after how much i've practiced these games it should be nothing though, if anything most people would have decent scores/ LNBs of all windows games by now. Those people who can't get a normal 1cc are probably actually better than me at the games and would have no trouble if they put in the effort

>>16719265
It took me about 160 hours in UFO for lunatic 1cc, and a bit over 500 for an LNB. Granted, I was a new player at the time and didn't play the other games anywhere near as much, but it's still quite slow.

Spending more time than you think it "should" take you to reach a goal is a good way to feel like shit and burn out. Bad mindset, I guess. Or it could just be retardation and you're better off not playing these games in the first place if they are going to bully you that much.

>>16719339
Calm down.

>>16715348
>>16715364
>>16715383
>>16718759
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sg4k7pesabatl6s/th8_06.rpy

>>16719265
>Lunatic 1ccs
We have two main groups of people in this thread.
The ones who aren't good at Touhou (yet), who are either trying to 1cc or are able to 1cc in Normal and maybe hard, while the other group is good enough to do score runs in Lunatic.
You are part of the "second" main group, you just have to get better, since there is no upper limit on how good one can be.

What the HELL is going on? I never got past Yumeko before and now I'm here with so many lives left.

>>16720709
That's very very wrong. The difference between being able to 1cc lunatic and being able to actually score lunatic is far larger than the difference between normal 1ccs and lunatic 1ccs.

There is also a limit to how good one player can get. This will vary and the strengths will be different for everyone (e.g one player might become a god at dodging but has shit tier timing and precision and then the next guy has the exact reverse). There is a limit for everyone but it tends to be fairly high so most people never even reach it.

>>16721591
Did you get caved by ex-Keine anon? Anyways, congratulations on getting your first Extra clear.

>>16721601
I actually had a NBNM Keine in my clear and I managed to cap hourai doll even though it was only my second time seeing it in an actual run. I did practice it in spell practice and capped it there first, though.
>>16721636
Yeah I really like Mokou's theme and her cards are fun. I don't think I would have grinded out this extra being as bad as I am if not for that, but I have put it some work on PCB and MoF's extras since I heard they're pretty tame as well. Probably not going to do phantasm in PCB but I think I might focus on PCB extra next.

>>16721649
Phantasm PCB really isn't that much harder than Extra PCB, it's even easier in a couple of parts. I haven't been able to play in a while so I barely have any hours in Phantasm, but it took me forever to beat Ran and by the end of the first day practicing Phantasm I was already able to reach Yukari's first survival card and captured like half the cards on my first try since a lot of them use the same strategies as Ran's equivalent cards.

>>16721649
I felt the same away about my first extra which was PCB. It was also probably the most fun I've had playing the series.

>>16721840
>>16721906

hmmm, was a good attempt at bait, but in the end you tried too hard. pretty funny though

>>16721934
The majority of the Sans fight is a platformer, not a shmup, and most of the shmup sections are easy to dodge. Only one that really gets me is the very end when you're spinning around in a circle, beyond that I think I can usually dodge all of it. The real thing that damages me in his fight is when he slams you against a wall, because you're almost guaranteed to get hit if he's at his fastest speed and slams you into the same wall as the one you just jumped from, it's like frame-perfect to avoid it.

>>16721934
>>16722020

>>>/vg/171120057
Remove yourself.

>>16722020
I dunno, it's semi-platformer-ey what with the whole being blue half the time, but not entirely? For some parts you're red. I guess it depends on how you define shooter vs. platformer a bit. Undertale has certainly had no qualms with taking a lot of unique things to the genre. The difficulty is still semi-high for Sans, though. You will definitely lose health very quickly if you don't pay attention and fuck up; which to an extent is fair since he has some tricky fuck-you moves which have a really good chance of hitting you if you don't know what's coming. Also normally, in shooters, when you take a hit you, you die and have a set number of lives. With Sans it's not quite so cut and dry. While most fast bone attacks will only cut off about 15HP or so at a guess, a full hit Gaster Blaster could potentially cut off up to half of your health. Of course, since it's Karma damage, it won't be instant death, which, despite the potentially and generally large amount of damage he can sometimes do, can occasionally be a saving grace of sorts. You don't get any bombs, either. But since you get your inventory full of items, especially if you've kitted it out with all sorts of powerful healing items, you don't really need them. Though, you do have to wait and won't progress through the dialogue every time you use them, and thus suffer another attack. As a side note, I'd like to note that using a Sea Tea during Sans' fight can actually be pretty helpful. Many of his attacks will hit you pretty fast and the extra speed can really save your ass. Just try to control your movement a bit more carefully, since the potential to move too far, or jump too early and get fucked up anyway exists, too.

Anyway, Sans benefits more from memorization than most bosses in my opinion. After about 20 plays or so I'd memorized most of his attacks and they became fairly easy to dodge once you know what's coming.

I know how you feel about the slam attack when he's slamming at his fastest speed and slams you right back down to the same area you jumped from. I just say fuck it and spam items if I need to. It really does feel sort of like a frame-perfect thing. By that point in the fight, you'll have little need of your items once you reach his final attack, so you might as well use 'em up as you need to. Best to do his final attack with full health. Remember to wait between turns for your Karma to fully deplete to get the most returns from your items. Just wait anywhere that isn't on the top left of the item screen so you don't get hit by his bullshit between-turn attacks.

Is anyone else working on their first lunatic 1cc? If so how is it going?

quite the day when this thread talks about more than normie 1cc's

God I swear you scorerunners are easily the shittiest posters in this thread regardless of how good you are at touhou. Why do you feel the need to act like retards whenever anything related to playing on a difficulty higher than normal comes up, is it all the pent up frustration? Or maybe it's just one particular poster who needs to chill the fuck out.

>>16722767

No wonder it doesn't get talked about much when it summons those spergs

>>16722847
Go back to your discord hugbox, friend.

>>16722811
because its funny you dumb negro

>>16722901
How is that a problem? He doesn't have to care about what you think.

Question- on that last run of PCB I found I had 4 continues. I hadn't changed anything since my last run so Im not sure how I got that?

>>16722937
It's just strange because I don't remember getting 4 continues on any of my previous runs.

>>16723068

It can be frustrating for some people but really it depends on how quickly you improve and how willing you are to grind a bit to get better. For an easier game I'd recommend Touhou 7 (Perfect Cherry Blossom), Touhou 8 (Imperishable Night), or Touhou 10 (Mountain of Faith). Though if you want to get into the lore you might want to start at Touhou 6 (The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil).

They're much more fun to play than to watch I think, for me at least they're pretty good at sucking me into the game with the music, atmosphere, and intense gameplay. I don't really get that frustrated (only sometimes) because it's almost completely skill based and it's easy to measure your improvement by how far you're getting and which spellcards you're capturing.

>>16723000
I've owned touhou merchandise for years, listened to a shitload of the music and arranges since forever ago, and even read up on the story and shit. I've only just gotten into the games like 5 months ago. There's nothing wrong with being a secondary but I don't go around bragging about it either.

Why do you hate secondaries, /jp/?

Just beat UFO with 3 lives left. I kinda surprised myself with some dodges here and there, even though I'm quite tired.
I guess I should step up my game and start going Hard mode a little more.
That said, Extras are still out of the question aside from the ones of the classic era.

>>16723192
It takes skill to get a job to have money to buy the merchandise you autistic weeaboo neet.

>>16723192
Why does "effort", "skill", or "dedication" matter at all when it comes to being a fan of something

Are you so delusional that you think people that like things without devoting all their time to them are "doing it wrong" or something

You're not wrong, anyone "can" do these things, but your argument that effort, skill, and dedication is only what makes someone a proper fan is idiotic.

>>16723215
welfare exists

>>16723220
but m-muh food stamps bixnu mufudda

>>16723231
But what does it truly mean to be a fan? Is the act of consuming entertainment not an end to itself, regardless of whether one is fully immersed in the source material?

>>16723231
All my argument is is that there's nothing wrong or harmful about being a secondary. "Real" fan or not, secondaries aren't harmful to the community. The real cancer is ugly as dirt cosplayers who want to prove to their parents that they can be pretty if they dress up like Reimu.

>>16723245
Would you say I'm a fan of Pepsi if I had never drunk a single drop of it?

>>16723254
>there's nothing wrong or harmful about being a secondary. "Real" fan or not, secondaries aren't harmful to the community.

They are when they come to gameplay threads pretending people to take them seriously

>>16723277
>They are when they come to gameplay threads pretending to be people to take them seriously

Anon, I think you're confusing "secondary" with "troll"

>>16723290
What would a secondary contribute to a gameplay thread? huh?

>>16723313
They could ask a harmless question like >>16722964 , Get an answer, and then leave if they have nothing more to contribute that's following the thread's topic. But, it's also just 4chan, and who fucking cares that much my dude. All of this discussion of secondaries and shit is as far away from gameplay as we possibly could be.
>>16722881
>>16722881

>>16723386
Nah, I just saw an easy way to capture it. I feel like I should try again.

>>16723378
You can't make me and that's part of the fun

>>16723714
You could have 1CC'd a game by time you finished writing that lame excuse

>>16723714
Fuck off secondary shitter.

All this bullying makes me remember when I was first starting out and got called a troll or not even being believed when I described how I got completely overwhelmed and surprised by stage 2 bullet speed in normal mode.

>>16723406
I use this thread to bitch about how shit I am more often than I post clears. It's not like my list is that impressive.

>>16724094
After playing for a short while most players decide to take a look around and become aware of the colossal skill disparity between them and the superplayers. They might not ever be able to bridge that skill gap, and upon realizing this they stop even trying, telling themselves that they were never really serious about playing stg anyway. This attitude brings mediocrity.

>>16724132
Or maybe they just lost interest after getting some normal clears. People's levels of interest on things vary from subject to subject. Not everyone has the time they need to throw at becoming good at everything they want to, unfortunately. We have to pick and choose our battles.

How do I dodge the yellow (and blue) homing shots in MS?
The massive cheese snakes? I don't understand what I have to do.

>>16724094
Some of us are just slow learners.

Slow learners with very poor accuracy at dodging.

>>16724179
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you happy.

>>16724380
Keep telling yourself that playing the same game content for hundreds of hours is worth feeling superior about if it makes you happy.

>>16724392
Unless you have a wife and children his legacy might just outlast yours

>>16724463
>>16724447
People aren't the same. I have 500 hours clocked on Osu, but there are people who are better than me with half that.

And I do try hard to improve. It's just not in me to not make a good effort, and it's not any fun that way. I have often found myself grinding out songs a star harder than I'm used to. People learn at different rates in different ways. The people with the best traits and greater intelligence will meet with greater success with the same amount of effort as those without. To deny this fact is to deny that people are different.

And I'm not denying that hard work is important. It's very important and is something that everyone should do in general. However, what you(>>16724447)seem to be ascribing to is something is known as the "Just World" theory--the theory that everybody gets their just desserts according to how much effort they put in. It's a flawed theory that many normies ascribe to because it justifies them in thinking that everything they've gotten in life was given to them by the grace of God because of their supreme efforts, and not because of a combination of their efforts and the hand of fate.

So while their attitude might bring them mediocrity, so too does the Perfect World theory bring one arrogance. The total lack of understanding between the weak and the strong is and always has been far more than just a thorn in the side of realizing potential and fostering maturity and good will in everyone.

>>16724537
>normies

talent is required
only talented players deny this

>>16723220
not everywere

>>16724537
The problem is that no one in the real world really gives a shit about the 1,000 hours one person put into some niche shoot em' up game from Japan. Seriously, go outside into a busy city intersection. Look at all the people around you. Could you honestly think that even one of those people would really give a shit if you yelled "Hey, I got so and so WR by playing 1,000 of the same video game on my ass". Of course not. Only a very small niche people will honestly care. Essentially, no one will give a shit about your shmup based ego. Shmups don't put food on your plate. Shmup WRs don't contribute to society. And shmups most certainly don't warrant an "I'm better than you" attitude.

That's not to say it can't be fun to play and have a passion. But it most certainly does not justify the arrogant attitude that a lot of the so-called scorerunners have when they put down others that are new or just enjoy Touhou for its characters or lore. It's a very toxic elitist attitude that only does damage instead of bringing a community together.

Live and let live, my friend.

>>16724963
I don't think there are scorerunners that do what you say.

What do you want in your shottype?
For me, I want to deal massive amounts of damage (similar to Marisa).

>>16726307
I want Mima

>>16726307
Large spread. Stuff like SA Marisa A or Reimu Needles in general.
Homing is shit.

Is there any way to set iamp to use my full numpad so 7 is diagonal up+left, 3 is diagonal down+right etc?

>>16722468
I started to write a fucking novel about my experience with trying to get my first lunatic 1cc. I decided not to post it. Basically I play touhou a lot. I wish I could see how many hours I've put into EoSD.

I've been on a roller-coaster between I can do it and no i can't it's too hard. I've quit multiple times. I took a 2month break from touhou all together. After another long period of trying I took another break. I've gotten actually angry recently. It's the first time that's happened playing these games. That passed and then I got half way through Scarlet Gensokyo the other day.

Finally I can say with certainty this is possible or so I thought. Yesterday was nothing but endless reset loops. This morning my first run I said you know what? No matter what happens I'm going do a full run with continues and not reset. It started off well. Then I died. That's ok. I died again. That's ok. Then i died again. That's ok. Then I fucking died twice within seconds of each other. I rage quit.

Then after a short break I tried again and made it back to stage 6 on my first try and my next try was back to stage 6 again. Both runs had so many mistakes too. Looks like I need to go back to practicing parts again.

I noticed that my high score screen is all from stage 6 now. I wonder how much longer until I succeed. I wish I could see how much time I've put into this. I can't even guess.

I CAN'T BEAT UFO REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16727575
What difficulty?

What's the world record for EoSD Lunatic Ultra?

>>16730027
And I'll congratulate you for it

https://mega.nz/#!FEhFmJiI!-Lsjc3vBTTkn65BstgsNlwPICj3ZWWcYcr3VusSWXOc

I think I've gotten to the "upload a replay and have anons pick me apart" phase of my Phantasm practice because there's something fucking wrong with my brain.

I managed to capture both Ran's cards.
I managed to only waste two bombs (if I can remember correctly) during the second half of the stage and even managed to survive the entirety of the PC98-style bullet hell at the end.
I managed to reach six lives before dying, use ALL my bombs before losing my first life (for once) and even fucking captured Charming Siege 2.

And then I fucked up. And I don't know what made me fuck up so bad.

How the hell did I capture Charming Siege 2 but die twice to Ultimate Buddhist 2?

By the time I got to Ran I was panicking. I can never remember when she aims at you downward and when she aims at you upward because I've only fought the card a few times so I just started panic bombing, and then when I got to the survival card I walked into the goddamn lasers.

>>16730165
Upload replays here,
http://replays.gensokyo.org/

>>16730453
I do that for runs I actually complete, but don't think my shitty practice runs should be recorded publicly like that.

Somehow, I can't beat PCB on Normal with SakuyaB, despite me being amazingly competent with Marisa's shottypes and SakuyaA.
I have already beaten PCB with Reimu on Normal, so this is really strange.
I keep on making mistakes that I didn't do with the other five shottypes, so why can I not do the same thing as before?

Maybe this is the wrong place to ask but does anyone know what replays for PCB lunatic are good referral replays if I want to score it? My first big goal would be 2.5 and I'm not sure what sort of run to download for that.

>>16730165
The pattern for Ran is:

She starts at the wall -> aimed at you -> upwards -> towards opposite wall -> aimed at you -> upwards -> towards opposite wall -> aimed at you -> etc.

It looks very confusing but once you know how to handle it the spell is fairly easy.

>>16730797
Just look at most of the >3b replays here.
http://pndsng.wwww.jp/touhou/highscores/index.php?th=7

Dang. SOC actually broke 700mil yesterday.

In the classic era touhou games, when you hold left and press right, you'll be moving to the right, even if you have both ← and → pressed. If you hold right and press left, you'll keep moving right, it doesnt work like in the first example.

In later games, it's other way around.

Why is that?

>>16730165
I always like to see how much you optimise the stage portions, they look insane.
UB is what it is, you just need to get used to it
For Ran, you would be better at the center of the screen. Ran only aims at you when she bounces off the bottom to the top, do a quick unfocused dodge for this.
I would give you a replay, but I have only cleared this with Reimu, I can't into Sakuya for some reason

Any tips for Gengetsu's penultimate attack?

>>16732857
left right movement on the double blue bullet wave

other than that, just keep practicing it cause you seem to have a good grasp on the attack

How do I lighten up? Failure after failure puts me in a mental state that further worsens things (and even if I managed to successfully 1cc, I think I'd sulk my way through it like a bitch at this point). But if I watch videos of otters or something like I normally do to get myself out of a slump, when I start again, all of my skill seems to have left.

>>16734393
Think about it that way, you're disappointing no one. It's not a job and there are no expectations laid on you because the distribution of natural ability is random, meaning that there is no common standard of performance. People say that Lunatic is something of a baseline for minimally proficient players but that usually says nothing about the time and effort really required to do it; in that sense there is no standard. So long as you play regularly and try to get good by challenging yourself, you're doing well. Playing is you versus the game, not you versus yourself.

>>16730119
>get to Yuyuko with zero lives left
>last long enough for me to start entertaining the thought that I might win
>don't

I have failed you.

>>16732695
I should tell you that this optimization really only happens with me during Extra stage attempts, and Great Fairy Wars attempts, since they're short games and I play the stage portions of them over and over in practice.

>>16730830
>>16732695
>aimed at you when going down
>aimed at you when going up
Man, I'm confused with all the conflicting information.

>>16730165
>>16732695
I actually got one
I got really lucky at the survival card, but failed twice one of the cards that I like at the start and that settled a shitty mood during most of the run until Ultimate Buddhist
so here, it might be of help
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=42728
>>16734916
oh don't worry anon, you'll get it and it will be great!

>>16735117
Goddamn anon, forget about that other anon praising me for stage optimization, I am infinitely more impressed at how you're able to come back from runs that start out so poor. I wish I had your clutch ability, my runs always go the opposite. Once I start fucking up I keep fucking up in a spiral. Once in a great while I'll seemingly pull myself together with one life left only to choke right at the end of the last spell (hasn't happened against Yukari yet, but in general it happens every once in a while and makes me want to cross the boundary between life and death whenever it does).

I don't know if there's any way to gain that kind of comeback skill through training, though. I always have to just do so well in the early stages to make up for my mistakes later on. Almost all my 1ccs are NMNB or nearly so until Stage 5 because of how many resources I use up a.k.a. waste toward the end.

How do I capture Kaguya's "Robe of Fire Rat- Patient Mind"? I can't seem to get through it without bombing it until it ends or I die.

>>16735232
We must have the opposite skillsets, I suppose. Stages are never an issue for me relative to bosses, and I think on average four out of five lives lost during any given run in any given game are from bosses instead of stages.

I actually have to step away from the game for a few minutes whenever I'm doing too well, rather than doing poorly. I have an abnormally fast heartbeat (regularly 100-110 BPM at rest, and I have a habit of making it worse by hypo-ventilating even when nothing is going on around me because I start becoming aware of my heartbeat and start trying to "correct" my breathing which actually fucks it up and fuck I had to take a break from writing this post to take a walk because typing about it made me inadvertently start doing it), and when I'm entering late game with a big surplus of lives I sometimes hit 150+ BPM or get palpitations.

During some of my first 1ccs of particularly hard games, UFO being the worst offender even though I don't consider it the hardest (on Normal), I had to pause the game repeatedly because my heartbeat was skyrocketing.

Because of the above, I only ever do one "real" run of practice where I get far into Yukari's fight each play session, which happens to usually take 1-2 hours to reach because I'm really fucking bad at Ran's midboss fight.

I never do get into the "HAVE TO WIN" mental stance until I get to the final boss's final card, because at that point I'm just so close to victory that not lasting through that one card crushes me.


I really don't know how I do as good as I do, even if what I do isn't that good—despite all the practice I've put in the series in general (probably more than 300 hours; I can confirm at least 150 hours looking at the recorded playtime in all the danmaku games from MoF to LoLK) I can't read paths very well and I have terrible accuracy at actually navigating those paths anyway. I have a horrible habit of hoarding bombs and dying because of it, and whenever I do get a 1cc I feel it's a fluke, despite having more than 25 1ccs at this point. I am definitely a lot better at these things than when I first started and couldn't beat Stage 4 of EoSD without continues, but I don't feel like I'm nearly as good as I should be or as good as most other people with comparable hours of practice. If that shitposting anon who talks about how natural talent is the only thing determining skill, I must be on the lower bound regarding talent.

Have you ever played a touhou game in front of your parents? What do they think when they see you playing as little girls in cute dresses, much more visible in fighting games. I hide all my shit whenever my parents visit my apartment and I never showed any signs of being into japanese stuff when I was still at their house.

>>16735464
No way. It's best that my family doesn't know of the things that have consumed my life.

>>16735646
>another girl
Are you a girl?

>>16735114
Ran first aims the wall on the left side. She lands normally in the middle. Afterwards, she'll adjust her trajectory horizontally to you (see the magic design that appear on you? That's the landing spot) and land at the bottom of the screen. After that, she'll go upwards back to Yukari. Then she'll do the same with the opposite wall.

The strategy is to be at the bottom, wait for the targeting part, then move away from it horizontally (you go to the other side of the screen) while still being under Yukari. That way, you'll also be able to easily dodge the Ran shots as well. All that remain is to be careful of what comes from the top of the screen.

>>16735646
>I invited another girl to my apartment

A g-girl?!

In SoEW Is tapping the button to shoot more bullets instead of holding it down, considered cheating?
Or is that an intentional mechanic?

>>16736724
I think it says in one of the provided text files that it's intended.

I like to 1cc PCB on normal in front of my /jp/sie lady friend

she struggles with the first stage on easy cuz she's a filthy secondary

I'm having trouble with Suwako's spellcard where she does the spiral of frog bullets, any tips?

>>16735702
>>16735839

Were you really still under the impression that there are no girls on the internet? It's 2017.

>get to yuyuko, 7 lives
>lose last life 19 seconds left before 1cc complete
I've never heard myself say "no" so dramatically before.

>>16737768
wait, it was 4 lives. My defeated memory dramaticized it