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The detective did everything right.

>>16629477

>>16629477
Any mysteries this weekend?

>>16629675
Did R07 dump out this weekend or not?

>>16629477
>Ryukishi07th Expansion
woah

>>16629503
Even dying?

Reminder, Erika is best seacat.

Are there any news on "Hotarubi no Tomoru"? Has been a while since I last saw anything about it.

>>16630347
>Hotarubi no Tomoru

i didnt even knbow this existed

When will R07 do cosmic lovecraftian horror?

>>16630621

>>16630652

Featherine wasn't scary, sure her powers are massive and definitely on a cosmic scale but i want something SCARY

>>16630661
I get the feeling she could have been downright terrifying if she wanted to. Bernkastel learned her behavior from her after all. We just never got to see that side of her in the story because she was always content to be an impartial observer.

>>16630679

I thought Bern was an asshole because she's a cat and cats are assholes

>>16630713
That might be part of it, though I think that only accounts for her being petty and selfish. The rest is probably her imitating Feathers.

>>16630740
I hate how the English manga tanslates Bern's nickname for her as Feathuhhuhhrine instead of Auaurora

>>16630753
Shit they did that? That's horrendous

>>16630753
>Feathuhhuhhrine

That just sounds like Bern had a stroke

>>16630796
They also translated child of man as human child.

>>16630796
Sorry for the poor quality.
And here's the translation note for it:

>Page 599
>Feath-"Uhh, uhh"-rine: An in-joke to Umineko's sister series, Higurashi WHEN THEY CRY. The character Featherine bears many similarities to the character of Hanyu from Higurashi, the most striking of which being her crescent head ornament. Feath-"Uhh, uhh"-rine is also a nod to Hanyu's characteristic flustered catchphrase, as are instances where "Augustus Aurora" is shortened to "Au-au".

>>16630851
Was just about to post that myself actually. Here's a slightly better picture.

>>16630621
He did. With Higanbana.
Marie is clearly lovecraftian.
>she is behind a door
>if you open it, you will see her true form, turn insane and die.
The question is whether Featherine can defeat Marie.

>>16630877
Featherine can beat anything as long as it's within her domain. It's just a matter of how high her domain reaches.

>>16630877

Oh, come on a single line doesn't make the entirety of Higanbana cosmic horror

>>16630877
Is Higanbana Ryukishi's edgiest work yet?

Does R07 usually announce new info during these events? I just want some more WTC5 info.

>>16630915
They wrote murder fanfiction, blew up a shrine, and sent a letter. That's pretty much it.

>>16630885
>Featherine can beat anything as long as it's within her domain.
Only so far as she can write it or imagine it. One of the key aspect of Featherine's power is that she has authorship powers, which can theoretically defeat anything if you can imagine it. It's the reason why she can defeat basically every character in fiction. However, this doesn't apply to Lovecraftian monsters. Can you defeat something that is unimaginable? Or turns you insane at the mere sight?
It's just impossible to imagine something unimaginable.

>>16630889
I actually agree. Someone back in the France 2012 convention asked Ryukishi if he ever read any Lovecraft, and he said he didn't. Apparently, according to him, there's already this sort of lovecraftian style in Japanese mythology and literature but is somewhat different from what we know. I don't know what it is and I'm too lazy to check.

>>16630918
I want to shake Ryukishi's hand one of these days and have a translator at my side to tell him that his works inspired me and that I grateful that he is born.

>>16630933
I just want to sincerely thank him for writing some of my favorite stories.

>>16630931
But even if lovecraftian monsters are designed to be beyond the scope of human understanding, in the end they're still things that were written to be that way by those very humans. That's what I meant by Featherine's domain. As in, just how far does her authority as an author reach?

>>16630960
We should ask him what happens if Featherine opens Marie's door.

>>16630930
Why do you say they?
Yasu is IT.
Genderless.
No sexual organ at all.

>>16631106
Because they are one yet many.
Because it's just easier that way.

All Yasu wanted was someone to talk to...
Im kind of feeling sad that whole incident could've been avoided If someone (doesn't have to be Battler), just sat down and talked with her about everything.
Fuck this gay earth.

>>16631191
Ryukishi confirmed George would still have accepted Yasu had they just told him about it.

I'm crying
Thank you, Ryukishi. Thank you.
The absolutest madman

>>16630894
yes, just for that rabbit story

Congrats to George, who was able to resist temptation and fight Gaap under the rain, despite her wet sideboobs and thighs being completely exposed.

>>16631229

Is Rose gun days good read?
I don't expect WTC, but I hope its atleast above mediocre.

>>16629675
If you're referring to the little mysteries I usually post here from time to time, probably not this weekend no. Life is getting in the way and I don't have the time.
I'll be working on something soon enough though.

>>16631390
George was fighting for Shannon, who has a great body in her own right.

>>16631426
Imagine Sopranos turned into a Saturday morning cartoon

I had a lovely dream last night where I was Battler and I snuggled with Maria in a futon. It was nothing sexual, just cute and innocent.

I just wanted to share that.
Anyone else ever had a dream about Umineko?

why lambda said beato was faking?

https://youtu.be/A6znijcRLko?list=PLN8ikmldsPF-PnIa9nsDq0IaAtxEmoXFN&t=550

>>16631426
It's worth reading just for the fact that it might be the only political VN
The battle scenes get pretty hype too

Can anyone explain to me what happened at the end of episode 6 so it connects to the death and funeral on part 7?
I don't even understand what was the point of that funeral? Why were they burying the witch.
>Were they burying literal Beatrice of Kuwadorian who died of natural illness?
>Were they burying Beatrices tale?
>Were they burying figurative Beatrice (Yasu), and if so why does the whole family come to funeral instead of just Battler and the witch side crew?

I don't see what connection does ep 6 make with start of ep 7.

>>16631814
Oh, is that what you were referring to before?

She means that Beato could have easily kept going and denied Battler's theories. She was just pretending to be cornered. She let Battler kill her because she was tired of being disappointed by his failure to solve her games.

>>16631928
7 is the episode that answers all questions from 1 to 4, so they're burying Beatrice both literally and figuratively

>>16631928
First, have you read Episode 8 yet?

Quick! Post your favorite BGM.

>>16632625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_dgUf8VHd8

>>16632625
Kuina
lilAxil
Plush Doll
System0

>>16632625
Not for edgy boys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4nHWXDdYRA

>>16629886
>hugs her

>>16631836
Muv-Luv and Utawarerumono also have politics.

I want to kiss Lambda one trillion times!

>>16631836
>the only political VN
https://vndb.org/g302

>>16631836
You can't mention only and VN in the same sentence

>>16632992
I want to have a sleepover with her.

>>16632738
My dai brother

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQO11_m4Al8

>>16633010
Don't you have something better to do than browse /jp/, Bern?

>>16633022
What part of deathly boredom don't you understand? Bern and Lambda have infinite time and nothing to do, so why not mess around on image boards in between ruining people's lives for a laugh?

>>16632625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikJS7DDtCXc
It's a shame that it plays only once.

>>16632992
...where?

>>16632625
Best rendition of worldenddominator right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VBuW-FDbik&list=PLL0CQjrcN8D094fLBPxXzdfVu-EzFDfVW&index=5

I WANT TO CUM INSIDE SUCY!

>>16631811

Last night i dreamt i was playing a l4d2 map of the mansion and I was looking for that gold bar krauss keeps somewhere

Your face when Over The Sky starts playing in WTC5

>>16633047
Lambda canonically laughs on my sexual frustration?

>>16633445
What do you think?

>>16633453

>>16633429
How will Lambda and Bern be handled?
I doubt we will get a meta dimension this time around, and without some kind of meta their characters would be no different from their RGD versions, just pieces that act out their part

>>16633429

>>16629503
even framing natsuhi?

>>16630621
i just want ryukishi to do real horror
the closed room segments in episode 6 were really fucking creepy 2bh
the music really helped too

>>16633652
I want more spooky jazz

>>16633652
I lost it when Erika flat out said she was having an affair with Kinzo.

BATTLE ROYALE
ROUND TWO

Ushiromiya Siblings bout it out in the arena!
Battlefield: Dining Hall
Contestants and weapons:
Krauss - Libido
Eva - Martial Arts
Rudolf - Winchester
Rosa - Gold bar and a pen

Who will win in this sublime sibling smash?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12424969
http://www.strawpoll.me/12424969
http://www.strawpoll.me/12424969
http://www.strawpoll.me/12424969

>>16633475
R07 did say that the new WTC will be different, but it's hard to say that he'll get rid of the meta altogether.

Also, even though Bern is my favorite Umineko, I wouldn't mind if the next one focuses more on Lambda and her backstory.

>>16633870
>Krauss - Libido
>not boxing

>>16633870
Two shots in a winchester.
At first everyone will try to avoid Rudolf, but Rudolf knows that he's powerless without his Winchester so he'll try to conserve the bullets for the last two remaining.
Everyone will catch on to this strategy and gang up on Rudolf to prevent him from automatically winning, so he'll have to use the bullets in self defense shooting one person, that by chance is Krauss (because of his big stature), but Krauss doesn't go down instantly and manages to tackle Rudolf so Rudolf has to spend his 2nd shot on Krauss again, this time killing him.

Unfortunately both Eva and Rosa are there to finish Rudolf off.

After that it's a duel between Eva and Rosa. After that I can't even begin to guess how that would go down.

>>16633876
I thought Hotarubi or however that manga is called was Lambda's backstory
It would explain why Takano is in it

>>16633891
For Krauss it's the same thing.

>>16633896
Good analysis.
You're forgetting personal grudges though. Eva has most reason to hate Krauss and would likely go for him immediately. Kicking him in the face, he'd stumble backwards into the wall. Rudolf uses the confusion to shoot Eva in the face. Distracted because he's aiming, Rudolf doesn't realise Rosa crept up to him and whacked him on the head with a gold bar. Rudolf and Eva are dead, Krauss unconscious. Eva walks up to Krauss and jams a pen in his eye, then slams it into his skull with the gold bar.

>>16633914
No, Hotarubi is another game between Lambda and Bern. Lambda uses Takano as her piece

>>16633914
Lambda's been around since long before Takano was born.

>>16633990
>>16634006
I thought it was just a Takano lookalike, not THE Takano
my bad

>>16633896
>Two shots in a winchester.
The Winchester rifles used in Umineko hold 5 rounds according to the TIPS in Episode 1

>>16634041
W-Well there's nothing said about the Winchesters in the battle royale. A reader is allowed to interpret it any way he likes.

>>16633896
>>16634041
>>16634054
I'm starting to feel like I shouldn't include actual weapons in the Battle Royales like Hideyoshi's sword and Rudolf's winchester.
Joke weapons from now on I think. Just couldn't think of another weapon for Rudolf.

>>16634081
The gun's fine. Just have it loaded with rubber bullets or something.

>>16634218
Let's see how the poll turns out.
Next up is a an interesting battle. Plan is to let it all conclude in a giant Battle Royale between all winners.

>>16632993
>Donald Trump Dating Sim

>>16631426
Rose Guns Days is great at times but is a mixed bag. It starts off slow and none of the characters have chemistry that Ryukishi is known for. You start to wonder why you should even bother reading but then after the first mini boss is defeated and the first real villain shows up, it gets good. RGD is absolutely worth reading for the villain. Season 3 is up there with some of his best, like Higurashi ep 6 and Umineko ep 5. Cultural keikaku jew warfare. It's glorious.

It's absolutely worth reading for the villains which are all great tier.
There's a part in Final Season that will make you scream as hard as you did at the end of Umineko episode 3.

The problem comes more with how the story overall ends. Ryukishi got sick for three weeks and the ending feels very rushed because of it. Still worth reading.

>>16632824
>Muv Luv
>politics

>>16632038
>>16632037
Excuse me for late reply.
I read all of them a year ago.
So basically Battler understood the truth and Beato is still alive, hence at the end of ep 6 when they are about to pull trigger on Erika, Battler asks Beatrice if she is sure about this.
Beatrice goes "I'm glad I met you."
This implies to me that. He has proven that he knows the truth so he has to bury her.
I don't quite get why are they burying her in a different Kakera along with Lion, because apparently Bern has the hole of the gameboard and not Battler.
This transition still doesn't make any sense.

>>16635751
Does ep6 ever explain what happened that allowed beato to go to the chapel and fight Erika with battler? Did chick be a to and piece/witch of the forest beato just combine into endless beato, PR was it actually the chick beato putting on an act of bravado?

>>16636191
She somehow regained the memories of the previous Beatrice and began acting as her from then on.

>>16636191
I don't believe its a bravado. That kind of turn can't possibly happen. It requires too much time to turn that twisted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU4ArAmslCY
Watch this.

>>16636256
>>16636264
I think I get it.

Forgive my horrible phone typing in that last post.

>>16629859
Quick, fix her with duct tape!

That solves everything.

>>16636560
Okay, I tried. I think I overdid it though.

>>16636572
Well, at least you stopped the bleeding.

>>16636573
But now what am I supposed to I do? She seems pissed.

>>16636606
Hug her and tell her that you will help her later to get back at Beatrice.

>>16636606
Stick some chopsticks in her cleavage as a get well gift.

>>16636613
Like this?

>>16636646
Yeah, remember to take care of her properly. After all she is still a girl and needs lots of care and genuine love to recover not only from her bullet wounds, but also from her broken heart.

>>16636630
Well I wasn't expecting this sort of reaction, but I guess it works.

>>16636659
I think I know who can help her with that.

>>16636695
Ayyyy

>hate the fucking uu-uu shit
>struggle through Maria flashback in EP4
>get to this
w-wew

>>16637390
>people are going to think you're a poor kid with mental problems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ng5XWAzCDw

>>16637466
Ok

Why was this of all parts cut from the manga?

>>16637484
reminder that she was merely pretending at the end and took the hit on purpose

>>16637508
We don't know that for sure. It's never made clear in what way how she was "playing the most hated role".

>>16637390
Is that the PS3 patch?
I should give it a try sometimes, is it hard to install it?

>>16637698
Looks more like the full PS3 port

>>16637508
Nah, it's heavily implied and even explicated that they were still bound by Umineko's meta-rules, as she was the gamemaster of that time and Battler the Detective. That's why she were as surprised as she were, and why she needed to kill him by using mystery stories.

Basically she thought, at first, that they were fighting outside Umineko, and she should have thrashed him mightily. But unknowingly to her, Featherine was acknowledging an Umineko game at the same time. As long as a higher power acknowledged Battler's position as a Detective in an active game, then the only way to kill him was to use detective mysteries. She switched gears and thrashed him anyway.

It's pretty explicit, and though it's a decently complex concept to understand, by this point any Umineko fan should understand.

>>16637800
That particular scene is frequently not well understood by fans. Battler's punch doesn't mean he has the power of punching multiverse-class foes or can punch faster than the speed of light, and his anti-magic ability doesn't mean he can cancel magic from gods or something equally stupid.

Endless Nine is the recognition of his position as Umineko's detective by the gameboard. He can't accept magic, so he won't, by the very rules all players abide. Him using it during this particular fight surprises Bern because it means they are still playing a game and are still bound by it when she believed their fight to be outside of it.

This is a slightly autistic powerlevel discussion, but it is highly relevant.

I just finished this VN today. Why were none of the "games" solved in the entire novel? Was the point for the fans to solve them? It feels like the entire first half of the VN had almost no point. Also is there anything that refutes that Shannon/Kanon was the true culprit? Outside of magical explanations of course. I enjoyed the VN but it was frustrating for it to start out as a mystery and completely abandon all of that.

>>16638254
>I just finished this VN today. Why were none of the "games" solved in the entire novel? Was the point for the fans to solve them?

No shit? The writer makes it abundantly clear throughout the novel that he wants you to understand the crime on your own.

>>16638254
R07's best friend and editor died after Ep 4 so even if he did what he intended from the very start with the VN he failed to convey it properly
When he wrote the manga years later he decided to explain all the murders since he thought Will's clues were enough to figure out everything
I agree that "Most of the VN was a fanfiction" is kinda lame though

>>16638351
True, it may be obvious, but by design, it doesn't make sense at all. The game very blatantly yet casually reveals the culprit to you (it's of course very easy to figure out in the second half), the entire game should have built up towards a reveal, but it doesn't, then it brushes it under the rug, because the plot isn't focused on the culprit. I just thought it was utterly absurd that the plot became so distant from solving the mystery that it doesn't even acknowledge Beatrice's true form, considering that sounds like it would have been a good direction for it. It feels a lot like it tried really hard to end with a happy ending, which it achieved, by ignoring the original plot.

>>16638352
This answer explains a lot, so thank you.

>>16638428
>happy ending

Miotsukushi when?
https://github.com/07th-mod/higurashi-console-arcs/releases

>>16638428
The reveal of Yasu may be disappointing, but the reveal of Rokkenjima Prime culprit in Requiem is god-tier
Easily one of the best part of the VN

Best/most memorable (to me) parts of Umineko by chapter:

Ep1: Maria facing the wall and singing in the lounge among the corpses
Ep2: Rosa and Maria vs Goats
Ep3: Rosa'a death by Evatrice
Ep4: Tea Party and Beato's loss to Battler
Ep5: I'm going to become grandfather
Ep6: Erika's Wedding
Ep7: Young Kinzo in the submarine dock
Ep8: Ange's final question/Epilogue and the new Fukuin House

Episode 2 was the best episode and had the best ending. IMO everything started to fall apart around halfway through episode 6 but really finished strong in episode 8.

Why isn't Erika real?
I want a cute detective girlfriend to read mysteries and solve crimes with.

>>16639782
But she is lesbian with Dlanor

>>16639823
Dlanor is a personification of a set of rules and is in essence an 80-year-old British priest.
I'll take my chances in this love triangle.

>>16639841
She's supposed to be Ronald Knox's fictional daughter actually, not Knox himself. Ronald Knox was the previous inquisitor in umineko-land.

>>16638352
BT died after 5

>>16632625
best ep 7 bgm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa_u_DI0fvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AHOh9tTNfo

>>16639709
>EP7
>Not the Bloodbath of October 4th

>>16640539
[Spoiler]If you're talking about Rudolf and Kyrie then yeah actually, I never liked George and seeing him get btfo was oddly satisfying[/spoiler]

>>16639709
>I'm going to become grandfather
>Not Battler's comeback
>Young Kinzo in the submarine dock
>Not the Tea Party

And I found Episode 2 to be one of the worst Episodes in the end.

>>16640570
I was thinking more about the reveal with Kyrie's true nature and the whole "children are tools" thing.

Show me your manface umi.

So I ended up impulsively buying this thing after being urged by some anon last thread. Now what?

Why do they shorten Beatrice to Bice?
Why not Tris?

>>16641600
Only Kinzo did that with Beatrice Castiglioni, everyone else shortens it to Beato

>>16641529
Sell it to me for free

>>16641529
So, the thing turned out to be a set with 8 maneuverable figures, each one about 3 inches tall. Based on the "trading figure" label on the box, I'm guessing you randomly get 8 figures, with 5 possible types to collect. The types are casual Rena, school Rena, school Mion, school Satoko, and school Rika. Luckily I ended up getting at least one of each, with a duplicates of Mion, Satoko, and casual Rena.

>>16631191
>>16631215
Cruel irony.

>>16633217
lol

Is Mangagamer even working on Umineko Chiru now? I really want to replay it, but also wait for the updated version.

>>16641989
Just play the UmiTweak patch, you can dl it anywhere and import the games from 07th themselves.

I don't want to support Mangagamer because their art direction is atrocious and it shouldn't take them this long to do something that's been done already by Witch Hunt for free years ago.

>>16642010
Well, I'll be playing with the original sprites anyway; I just care about the updated translation. I already have the hard copies of all 07th Expansion games. Witch Hunt gets the point across well but DESU they have some really awkward sentence construction in places.

>>16642010
While I agree with you, I still think it's important to buy their releases in order to show support for bringing stuff like wtc overseas. The only other way to show that the western audience is interested is to buy the english manga from Yen Press.

>>16642010
I actually like their Higurashi sprites.

>>16641946
What was the price ?

>>16642057
Roughly 12 dollars, but 30 more for shipping.

Is Higurashi Kai fully voiced with english text ever going to come out ? I

>>16642062
Can you post pictures of the figures ?

>>16642075
Sure thing. Just give me a bit.

>>16642103
Assembling now. Satoko's figure has a cameltoe...

>>16642174
the hype is real

>>16642062

That seems like a good price.

Okay, here's a few pictures for now. Each figure is somewhat poseable, with 3-4 faces and occasionally other accessories.

>>16642327
Casual Rena comes with a hatchet, and has a smiling face, a somewhat concerned face, and a smiling crazy eyes face.

>>16642338
School Rena has a smiling face, a "hau~" face, and an "usoda!" face.

>>16642352
Satoko has a smiling face, a crying face, and a... something face. She also comes with a collar for punishment games.

>>16642366
Lastly, Rika has a smiling face, a blank face, a happy eyes closed "nipa" face, and a pouty face. She comes with a removable bell, cat ears, and cat tail for punishment games.

>>16642383
Forgot picture. If there are any particular combinations of faces, accessories, and poses you'd like to see, just let me know and I'll see what I can do.

>>16642327
>>16642338
>>16642352
>>16642366
>>16642387
Thanks anon, they look pretty good!
If possible I'd like to see Rena casual without the skirt and Satoko's camel toe

>>16642409

>>16642413
No, it's fine. They put it there for a reason.

>>16642387

This arrived pretty quick didn't it? Was this the thing I posted the "sold out" image to a few days ago?

>>16642428
Yes, it is. I'm also surprised. I thought it would take at least another week to arrive.

>>16642442

Do you have anything you could pose them next to for scale?

I was reading manga today, and as usual, I've put some Umineko BGM to set the mood for the chapter, and I felt this deep melancholy feeling when worldend started playing.

I'm tempted to read again Umineko, but it's kind of a hassle.

>>16642409
Here's school Rena without her skirt. I'll go ahead and mention their undergarments now since it might come up. School Rena has bloomers, casual Rena has bow panties, Mion has a school swimsuit, Satoko has tights, and Rika has plain light blue panties.

>>16642502
Some youtuber called Goldsmith has made several videos of the Umineko manga with the BGM added, including the entirety of Episode 8.

>>16642470
Here's Rena next to a AA battery. They really are pretty small.

>>16642526
I guess I'm obliged to check that out, thanks friend.

>>16642409
The cameltoe's a bit hard to show, since Satoko's skirt and torso are a single piece. Here's an upskirt shot where you can kind of see it. I did get a duplicate of Satoko's figure, so I'm debating whether to just take the piece from there and cut off the skirt so I can do bottomless shots of her.

>>16642568
Why is Satoko always the lewdest one?

>>16642516
>>16642568
bless you anon! I want them now!

>>16642537
>>16642516
Around how much would these cost?

>>16642657
See
>>16642062

>>16642663
Thank you. I didn't see.

Here's some shots of Rika in her panties.

>>16642836
Wow, so much good work on thighs.
Mi~

>>16642836
perfect ass crack

>>16642910
>>16642916
Satoko's also pretty nice. Still debating whether or not to try cutting off my spare's skirt for bottomless pictures.

>>16642993
>>16642836
I feel terrible inside

>>16642993

They actually added a cameltoe.

How shameless.

>>16643029
How cum? It should feel great inside.

>>16643038
All it would take is a color filter over the tights to make it look like she's naked under her skirt.

>>16643063
LEAVE SATOKO ALONE

>>16643092
Why? She's one of the most sexualized characters in the series, and for good reason.

>>16643106
Was she raped by her uncle ? My friend keep saying she was, but I think he's retarded, it's not implied at any moment

>>16643106
I cry tears of joy every time ネム uploads a new 07th drawing

>>16645041
There was never any direct implication, just some off-putting dialogue that makes you wonder if something of that sort happened. Also, I'm pretty sure the uncle mentions at some point that in a few more years Satoko might be worth doing such things to, meaning he didn't think she was at that time.

>>16631390
>>16631435
Personally I always found Gaap hotter.

>>16630621
Umineko was lofcraftian in its approach already. You're supposed to be afraid of the unknown, the incomprehensible reality before your eyes and the strange entities you are at the mercy of. It only fails because those entities are anime girls. Song of saya fell into the same trap imo.

>>16645438

Song of Saya was more effective in its horror because Saya is implied NOT to be an anime girl.

>>16645452
Still the worst visual novel I have read from start to finish. As a Lovecraft fan, it sucked. The only good thing about Saya no Uta was the crazy hot doctor.

>>16645462

Junji Ito should make a VN he seems to have lovecraftian down

>>16645452
Well, the fact that it actually had unknown, mysterious supernatural elements certainly helped.
With Umineko I was always sure that it would turn out to be either mystery or a quirky fantasy the moment the magical scenes went off the rails. Once the magical world is established it becomes understandable and loses its horror.

>>16645483

Umineko used Horror as a segway in EP1 to transition people who were expecting something higurashi-like

>>16645487
Yeah, I also think R07 deliberately decided against relying on horror in Umineko. Seems like a waste of potential though.
For instance, if the seven stakes had been actual visual representations of their traits, and the chiestas had been creepy oversized bunnies it would have made Beatrice seem much more sinister. And then, at a later point you could have had a scene from marias perspective where they do look like anime girls, and done the whole "without love it can't be seen" shtick.

>>16645481
Is he still writing ?

>>16645525
>Implying Ryukishi's artstyle isn't enough for horror and nightmare fuel material.

>>16645629
It was for higurashi

>>16642069
Just a reminder that Rikas soul is of legal age

>>16645667
Go on, just try to explain that to Oishi

>>16642537
You have a nice camera. Are you happy with your purchase of the figures? I think they really capture the charm of R07's art, myself.
>>16642836
How can such plain panties be so appealing?! They really suit Rika.

>>16642537
Can you post her without the skirt ? I want to see those thights

>>16645730
It's actually just a cellphone camera. I just touch up the pictures a bit with photoshop. I think it was an interesting purchase. I've never bought figures before, but Ryukishi's artstyle is charming.

The panties are great. The light blue color looks great on her, and the way they hug her rear is perfect.

>>16645667

>>16645740
Casual Rena has the same issue as Satoko. The skirt connects the chest piece to the legs piece, meaning I can't really remove them while still keeping the figure in one piece. I do have a duplicate of that figure though, so I could try cutting the skirt off the spare piece from that one to use for bottomless pictures.

She's wearing bow panties by the way.

>>16645806
Too bad then, but thanks for the other pictures anyway.

>>16645843
You're welcome. I may still try to do something about it later tonight.

>>16645667
Which one?

Made some Rika sprites from MangaGamer stickers for Telegram. Here's the link if anyone wants it. I'm considering making some PS3 Bernkastel stickers right now.

https://t.me/addstickers/RikaFurudeMG

beato

Let's have another Battle Royale.
No theme this time, just four characters with random, suitable weapons. Vote for your favourite and then type out how you think the fight would go.

This time it takes place in Kinzo's Study.
Kinzo - Portrait of Beatrice
Kyrie - Chessboard and pieces
Erika - Duct Tape
Ronove - Pot of scolding hot tea

http://www.strawpoll.me/12439025
http://www.strawpoll.me/12439025
http://www.strawpoll.me/12439025
http://www.strawpoll.me/12439025

>>16646319
Not even remotely fair. Kinzo has home field advantage and the portrait skyrockets his already insane levels of DESIRE.

>>16646319
>>16646495
Agreed that Kinzo's got the advantage of the field. It's his own study, he knows all the best spots. His weapon is slightly lackluster though. He could smash the portrait over someone's face and ruin it, but would he?
Kyrie can smack the shit out of everyone with her chessboard and shove pieces into their mouths until they choke. Then again, Ronove's tea could burn everyone and stun them for just enough time to be hit over the head with the tea pot which could be lead. Erika has her preferred weapon, but how much can duct tape do when you've got people smashing boards/portraits/teapots everywhere?

>>16646541
I imagined Kyrie using the chessboard as a sheild in one hand while gripping the chess pieces in the other and using them as makeshift brass knuckles.

I don't think Kinzo would use his precious portrait to directly attack. Instead, he would use its visage as insiration for a high intensity song that assaults everyone's ears at once.

>>16639709
mine even though no one asked
>the ending when beatrice appears
>same as yours
>web of red truth
>beatrice's death
>"And then... I knew."
>same
>when will solved all the mysteries in the previous games
>ange finding out the truth, the battle for the golden land (specifically battler vs erika), the magic ending
personally i liked episode 5 the most
episode 6 started off well and was meh until the end, episode 7 picked it back up, though i felt ryu07 spent a bit too much time with yasu's backstory

>>16642623
It's the one piece suit and a leggings.
Ryukishi is just a god.

>>16642836
N-no lewding the Rika damn it.
Goddamn it, this is killing me.

>>16645041
>My friend keep saying she was
And you know I'm right.
But no, she wasn't raped. At least not in the 'traditional' way. Because Tenpei has a BIG DICK.

>>16645667
SLANDER!
LIES!
USODA!
Rika is a pure innocent sweet little girl that is just a bit jaded. She's the kindest and cutest one of all.

I only read episodes 5-8 after finishing the anime.
Should I go back and read episode 1-4 or just say fudge it?

>>16647658
You fucked up man. The only thing you can hope for now is memory loss so you can read everything for real.

>>16647544
damn right she is

>>16647658
Read books on reincarnation and guides on suicide.

I want to hear /seacats/ opinion about this.

Do you believe Ryukishi07 deeply believes in what he writes? Or is he just a guy who purposefully crafts story in a manner to bait the reader into his themes?
For example, does he truly believe in the "Without love, it cannot be seen."
Or is he writting that just because it fits the central theme of the sound novel?

>>16647891
Pretty sure he believes the love thing.
It's present in all of his stories if you think about it

>>16648268
this, and same thing for the "If you have problems you need to trust people and talk about it"

>>16642836
Hotglue when ?
I want to lick rikafags tears

>>16647748
That is one of the hottest pics I've ever seen, jesus anon.

>>16647522
Rika's figure is the easiest to lewd though. Mion's wearing a swimsuit under her skirt, school Rena is wearing bloomers, and Satoko and casual Rena have skirts that can't be easily removed. Rika's the only one with both erotic undergarments and an easily removable skirt.

>>16647891
Ryukishi shows different sides of what he believes in different works for the most part. With Higu he openly admits that it's a utopian fantasy, where trusting people and working together always works out. Higanbana is the counterpart to that in a lot of ways. It stylizes life into something horribly sinister, where anyone might be out to get you, and trusting people can often be the wrong choice. It even justifies the paranoia that was condemned in Higu to a point.
In Umineko his philosophy seems to come together, with love in all of its different forms, a more comprehensive look at the good and bad sides of relationships and the concept of truth as its center pieces.

I think another indication of this is that the "tools" he gives his readers for dealing with life are more overtly philosophical in Umi. You get the feeling that it's aimed at people you'd consider contributing members of society who think that they have life figured out, rather than outsiders who have trouble fitting in.
Higurashi has "Trust the people you are close to. Don't do stupid things by yourself.", Higanbana has "Don't kill yourself pls. Life is full of possibilities, even if you can't see them now.", Umineko has catbox truth and "without love it can't be seen". Whereas the first two are pretty uncontroversial to your average normalfag, the idea that there are instances where you can and should accept multiple contradicting truths at the same time, and that you need to look at your enemies with love (hello Jesus) is something that is pretty widely rejected, at least on an emotional level, even by "functioning" adults.

By the way, regarding the Erika prequel idea that came up recently. The anon who expressed interest in that never got back to me so I'm gonna start on it myself. Anyone who wants to participate is more than welcome. I think I have a decent outline for the major character constellations and the overall plot, but I'm pretty green when it comes to constructing the mystery aspect of detective fiction, so it'd be great to have someone to bounce ideas off of.

>>16620686

>>16620413
>>16650325
Oops

>>16648679
Can you post more pics of Mion please?

>>16650373
Sure. Just give me a bit.

>>16650402
Thanks, pal!

Post cute pics of Beato and Battler please
I need them

So wait, did Krauss actually waste ALL of the Ushiromiya family's money on his businesses? I can imagine the other siblings demanding their inheritance, only for him to say something like "There isn't any. I spent it all on moon tourism."

>>16650453
Mion pics, as requested.

Well fuck me for doubting the madman, the final part of RGD is what MGSV should've been.

>>16652377
Nice! That bottom expression is one of my favorites.
>>16652677
I have limited knowledge of Metal Gear. Can you explain?

>>16652693
You're welcome. Here are some without the skirt and showing her 3rd expression.

rereading EP 2 right now
the foreshadowing is insane, I regret not rereading everything before the answers arcs.

>>16652693
Kojima convinced everybody with amazing trailers that the game will be about main character becoming the baddest motherfucker in existence for revenge. Turns out the parts that made everybody think that were either completely out of context or taken from basically the final cutscene of the game and the main character was mostly the nicest grandpa ever.

>>16647891
>Do you believe Ryukishi07 deeply believes in what he writes?
What dfo you mean.

>Without love, it cannot be seen."
Absolutely. That line is the main theme of Umineko.

Love is simply valuating something in your hierarchy of values that you deem to be selfishly important, either because it tells you something about existence, you enjoyed yourself in its company or it helps you survive. The higher something is in your hierarchy of values, the more you love it. For example, say that you love person X but love money more, then you wouldn't spend all your money to save that person from cancer or whatever because you never really highly valued them. If you do love them more than basically anything, you would throw away everything you have because that love is high in your hierarchy of values. If you value something lower in your hierarchy of values yet sacrifice something higher in your hierarchy, then that would be a contradiction of terms. If you love someone very much in your hierarchy of values yet aren't willing to sacrifice everything lower in your hierarchy of value for it, then it shows that you don't love it.

This is similar to Umineko. If you do not value anything, you cannot see any good traits it might have. You see this about most people who go on rants about how the phrase ''without love it cannot be seen'' as a criticism for why Umineko is shit without mentioning any positive attribute. Apathy is the dismissal of something being important and Nihilism not having any hierarchy of values or a self to form hierarchies.

Similarly, Erika says the opposite, that with love you start to imagine things which is also true. When you're in love with something, you tend to love it so much that you tend to have an over evaluate of it and then to love the idealized notion rather than the reality with all its flaws. Shakespeare was big on this and it's not really surprising that Ryukishi keeps referencing Romeo and Juliette. There are countless sonnets and instances where Shakespeare finds people who love the true person rather than the passionate idealized versions and this more describes the folly of love more than love itself.

Ryukishi saying that without love it cannot be seen, and that if you've decided that you hate something, you won't see anything good in the opposite viewpoint. Ange has no love for Eva, so she can't see anything else.
It has nothing to do with magic but heart and biases. How many times have you argued on 4chan or on the internet about something, and the person wouldn't see your point because of how much unfounded hatred they had for your position or the thing you like? Like some piece of media.

For people who are very vocal about Umineko being shit. You'll notice that one of the thing they bring up constantly is only the negatives; what they didn't like or pissed them off. Never going in the middle to find a common ground to indulge the idea of the other side. People only see one truth, their truth, and the people who also accept their version of the truth, and nothing else. This is the flaw of humans. We seek the truth but we cannot even agree with each other on which truth is the correct one.
Have you ever argued with someone and had a vicious smirk that you knew the other person was such an idiot for having that opinion or taste? That complete dismissal look of superiority. It's honestly the worst aspect of humanity. It reminds me of the quote by Nietzsche
>The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies but also to hate his friends
Except that most people tend to never love their enemies or hate their friends.

Don't hate people. Don't look down on position you deem inferior. Just pick the correct position you think is right and be open to opinions.

Personally, it's a core message that I love about Umineko. This is the cold truth of humans. We are too tribal to be open to opinions but we try. We just fucking try. All this endless arguing for nothing when we all just want to be happy and find the truth. But we have to sneer at others who see the truth differently.
It's just sad.

The problem stems from our inability to properly communicate ourselves to others. Small semantics and dissuasion brings more argumentation than progress. It reminds me of a parable that I can't remember the name where a bunch of guys find a vase in the middle of the desert. They can only see through the cracks and a few can touch. One sees that it's a rope. The other feels that it's hairy. Another feels that it's rough like a rock. Another feels that it's wet. It's an elephant. Everyone is correct but no one is right.

>>16648769
>but I'm pretty green when it comes to constructing the mystery aspect of detective fiction, so it'd be great to have someone to bounce ideas off of.

I'd suggest reading great mysteries and basing it off that. Some inspiration of Umineko:

- And Then There Were None
- Murder on the Orient Express
- The Tokyo Zodiac Murders
- The Inugami Clan

>>16652880
Thanks for the suggestions, The Tokyo Zodiac Murders sounds interesting. I read And There Were None after finishing the question arcs, and it was pretty astonishing how limited the information it gave to the reader was in comparison to Umineko. I guess the trick to writing a successful mstery may have more to do with giving the right amount of clues and misleading the reader into a mindset that will block them from seeing the answer that's staring them in the face than coming up with an extraordinary solution. Murder On The Orient Express is a great example of this as well. The solution is simple, but not in the scope of what you would normally consider.

>>16654256
>it was pretty astonishing how limited the information it gave to the reader was in comparison to Umineko

Thats because Umineko was written in 21st century.
And There Were None was pretty simplistic for its own time.
You can't seriously compare the two. Umineko just blows it out of the water everytime, as well as for any other piece of murder mystery literature.

>>16652792
You also forgot to mention the LIQUIIIIIIID tier showdown at the top of the tower

>>16654410
>And There Were None was pretty simplistic for its own time.
I wonder if Ryukishi was right about it though. That if you removed the last few pages, the solutions, it would have been a masterpiece.
I asked my mother, who's a big mystery fan, if she could've solved it, and she says no one would've been able to.

>>16654489
The FAAAALL FAAAAAAALL callback was pretty nice.

>>16654513
Erika (Ryukishi07) was right. Murder mystery genre ended 70 years ago. Everything is being recycled now.

>>16654685
I dunno about that. Beatrice clearly represented the post modern mystery story, and Virgillia represented the modern golden age murder mystery. I feel that Ryukishi is saying that you simply need to innovate.

>>16654698
What I'm saying is, all the ideas of closed rooms and murder mystery are already used and are just being recycled.

The only ones that truly surprised me were in ep 8. Namely where Beatrice constructed "perfect" closed room for Ange (murder through starvation).
And of course Battler for Erika.
>there is no ceiling
Bravo Battler.

>>16654791
>all the ideas of closed rooms and murder mystery are already used and are just being recycled.
I just think that it's not that they're already used and recylced, but there's only so many ways you can kill someone in a closed room without it being bullshit.

>>16654807
>I just think that it's not that they're already used and recylced, but there's only so many ways you can kill someone in a closed room without it being bullshit.

Which means they have to be recycled. Umineko is supposed to be a deconstruction of a murder mystery genre and it still has to rely on old ideas (in a sense).

>>16654876
Well, all of logic comes the dichotomy duality between Apollo and Dionysus, so there's only so far one can go with logic.

I think we're pretty much done as a species, we've found out limit and I guess it's time to call it a day.

>>16654897
That post made me crack a smile.

>>16654922
''I've solved humanity, now die''.

Little sisters are simply the best, aren't they?

>>16654791
Once the basic methods are widely know that just means that riddlemaking and solving shift to the next level, right?

"Changing the time the crime was committed to make it seem impossible" is a method that will be recycled time and time again, but someone who simply points out that this trick must have been the one that was used by the criminal hasn't solved anything. The thing you need to reason out is who the criminal is and how they went about creating the conditions that made that kind of trick possible in the first place. You could even create a mystery by making the conditions for those conditions seem impossible. At that point there should be an insane number of possibilities.

For example, if your solution is that the doctor announced a false time of death the true mystery revolves around figuring out who might have the ability to do that and how. It unfolds into a second mystery in a way.

Just started RGD. Photos are taken from the city I live in, so that's pretty cool!

Why was it crucial for the massacre that Battler appeared in 1986? Lion was already crowned as the golden witch in 1984, give or take one year doesn't seem to change much. Shannon could've married George either way since Battler obviously didn't care, and him appearing in 1985 would've only added fuel for Beatrice to choose Battler and do everything in similar fashion. Or was it simply the height of mental illness at that time and couldn't choose between the three?

>>16654791
>all the ideas of closed rooms and murder mystery are already used and are just being recycled.
I know this is said quite often but I beg to differ. I've read a lot of mystery novels and howdunits but that one mystery anon posted months ago about Battler being killed in the snow by Maria on his back was completely new. I was very impressed by that one because all the tropes I usually recognise didn't apply to that mystery.
There's still plenty of new and original murder mysteries to be told I firmly believe.

I've just realized Yasu probably can't even orgasm. Do you think he just sticks stuff up his butt at night? It's the closest he'll get to an orgasm.

>>16656612
Confession of the Golden Witch does a good job of explaining that. 1986 was just the year when all of Yasu's issues came to a head at the same time. The announcement that Battler would be returning was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Are you hyped?

>>16656725
Not really, Someutsushi is just a different version of Onisarashi. I'll get hyped when they get to the arcs that are only on console

>>16656763
B-but it has Minae Tomoe

>>16656725
I'm surprised someone is actually doing this. I never thought it would happen

Translation is probably going to take a while though, since Sui has 10 (I think?) chapters that aren't in the PC version

>>16656878
>10 (I think?) chapters
Something like this, yeah.

>>16655073
I, for one, would like to consider myself a little sister sommelier

>>16656691
>now I've lost it
>I know I can kill

>>16656725
I feel pretty mixed about it since being able to read those chapters was one of the things motivating me to learn Jap.

More discussion in these threads once these arcs release will be nice though.

>Ange believing in magic directly results in her neglecting her studies, getting bullied more and getting killed by Amakusa in EP4
>the story tries to push her belief in magic as being a good thing
Coping with sorrow and loneliness is one thing, but she's shown to actively fuck up her chances of leading a better life due to constantly having fantasies about Maria and the stakes instead of focusing on important things. How the fuck did Ryukishi think anyone would be convinced to pick Magic over Trick in the end?

>>16657389
>getting killed by Amakusa in EP4
w-we don't know that for sure, maybe Amakusa betrayed Okonogi and married Ange or something ;_;

I freed a Rika from being trapped within her timeline, and I didn't even get payed for it....

Anybody else feel inspired to write their own original visual novels after reading Ryukishi's works?

I always get hyped to do it myself after reading through Higurashi and Umineko, but I always stop short in the middle of writing something. That and programming and editing is a bitch, it's hard to find good public domain music to use and finding good sprites is also hard.

>>16657474
I want to try, but I have no inspiration at all. I don't know what to write and where to start

>>16657446
>EP4 end scroll shows that Ange dies in 1998
Ange literally did nothing wrong in the trick end. EP4 even mentioned how Sumadera bribed all the people who Ange would want to contact in search for the truth about Rokkenjima to rat her out, so killing the boat captain was justified too.

Ange ends up being filthy rich and free to escape her pursuers and live a fulfilling life in the Trick ending, while she gives up all her money to the Sumaderas and lives a mediocre life in the Magic ending just to get two glimpses at an old amnesiac Battler tens of years later. She objectively leads a worse life in the magic end.

>>16657474
Ever since I started lurking these threads and solved a mystery a few days ago it's been driving me crazy with inspiration. I've got enough experience writing daily that I could pound it all out if I had more of a direction with the visual novel part, but besides that it's less a matter of finding public domain music and sprites and just making them yourself. I'm sure anyone who browses /jp/ has enough time on their hands for that much.

>>16657527
I have an idea of what I want to write it's just the where to start thing that bugs me.
>>16657548
It's not really the time thing that's keeping me from drawing but more of the skill. I guess one could always take the time to learn how to draw, though.

>>16657474
> I always stop short in the middle of writing something. That and programming and editing is a bitch, it's hard to find good public domain music to use and finding good sprites is also hard.

You can at least learn to do one of those well and another one to the point where the result will be passable. As for writing a finished story, it's a matter of throwing your face against a wall until it breaks.

>>16657533
By remembering the better memories Ange has of her family and making them blossom into something new it allows her to believe that they did not just disappear into nothing. In the trick ending she throws all that away. I have some issues with the magic ending as well (even if you accept magic it's just a mentality. Battler should not have given a miracle just to make the ending a little happier.) but it's pretty clear that unlike in the trick ending she is able to find a new meaning in life.

>>16657474
> I always stop short in the middle of writing something. That and programming and editing is a bitch, it's hard to find good public domain music to use and finding good sprites is also hard.

You can at least learn to do one of those well and another one to the point where the result will be passable. As for writing a finished story, it's a matter of throwing your face against a wall until it breaks.

>>16657533
By remembering the better memories Ange has of her family and making them blossom into something new it allows her to believe that they did not just disappear into nothing. In the trick ending she throws all that away. I have some issues with the magic ending as well (even if you accept magic it's just a mentality. Battler should not have been given a miracle just to make the ending a little happier.) but it's pretty clear that unlike in the trick ending she is able to find a new meaning in life.

>>16657533
Amakusa lied ! He told Okonogi that he killed Ange, but he didn't ! You can't deny it ! The truth is sealed inside the cat box !

>>16657650
You're right.

It doesn't have to be Amakusa that killed her.

>>16657650
Amakusa didn't even have a problem with killing toddlers

>>16657669
BUT HE WAS CLEARLY HESITATING WHEN ON THE PHONE WITH OKONOGI !
HE SECRETLY LOVED ANGE !
STOP TRYING TO DENY THIS !

>>16657669
>Ange got killed by a guy who was outsmarted by an 11-year old girl
Embarrassing.

>>16657678
Yeah I'm sure a middle aged hired killer got his heart captured by an angsty teenager
Haha no

>>16657760
without love it cannot be seen

>>16657389
It's not about believing in magic, it's about accepting it. As you said, Ange faces several problems as a result of blindly believing in magic. But blindly denying magic and obsessing over the truth also brings her just as much anguish. It's only after learning the truth yet choosing to accept magic anyway that she is finally able to reconcile with her past and move on with her life.

>>16657533
>She objectively leads a worse life in the magic end.
Bullshit. In the magic end she becomes a world famous children's book author and lives happily surrounded by others. Whereas in the trick ending she reverts to being a gloomy loner unable to trust anyone. Getting to keep her money doesn't mean shit. It's not like she ever had any use for it anyway.

>>16657533
>She objectively leads a worse life in the magic end.
Bullshit. In the magic end she becomes a world famous children's book author and lives happily surrounded by others. Whereas in the trick ending she reverts to being a gloomy loner unable to trust anyone. Getting to keep her money doesn't mean shit. It's not like she ever had any use for it anyway.

Who's the best VA in Umineko and why is it Eva?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9xovJMRZI&t=16m10s

>>16657903
How do I get all these pretty text boxes in the pc? Is it that Umitweak patch where I have to own both the pc and the ps3 version?

>>16656655
Yasu is probably asexual and has a abysmal sex drive.
Yasu probably doesn't want sex for the sex reason, but rather to have what everyone normal takes for granted.

>>16657907
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0fRZmM8geaa

>>16657909
Yes. But you don't have to own them so long as you know the code.
If I remember correctly, it's 035646750436634546568555050

>>16657933
you have an impressive memory anon

>>16657907
Can't compete with OOOOOH BEATORICHE

>>16657933
There's still no Chiru version for that right? Only the first 4 episodes.

>>16657903
>a couple scenes later, Maria gets BTFO by Rosa and has her delusions literally shattered
Maybe she'd be happy for real if she hadn't been constantly sperging out with toys in public. Also, Ange can be just as happy as a detective. The reason she couldn't trust anyone was because she was constantly stuck surrounded by genuinely shitty people actively trying to make her suffer. The trick ending ends with her in a position where she's finally left alone and can carve a future of her own.

>>16658078
>she'd be happy for real if she hadn't been constantly sperging out with toys in public
She's just a fucking kid man. You can't blame her for something like that.
>The trick ending ends with her in a position where she's finally left alone and can carve a future on her own
So exactly like the magic ending ? Where we know for real that she ends up happy in the end?

>>16658078
>Maybe she'd be happy for real if she hadn't been constantly sperging out with toys in public
Maybe she'd stop talking to toys if her mother wasn't chasing dick 24/7

>>16652852
I fucking love that scythe shadow in the background!

Without love it cannot be seen.
This line is pretty impressive. I can not fathom how Umineko is not a mandatory literature in schooling system.

>>16659928
If ryukishi could only bring himself to change his writing to be less anime it might be

>>16659982
Not that I'd wish for it. It should best stay obscure as it is. I don't won't Umineko be raped and made a mule that spearheads the tranny protests. It would ruin the beauty of Umineko.

As for less anime? Certainly there are some parts I can think of.
Perhaps in Ep 4 in Kuwadorian tunnel with Kraus vs Goat punch multipliers?
Thats honestly the only scene I can think of can you name a few more?
Also I deem the fights in Umineko a valid part of the book. If one just came to wank to a meta world discussion, I'd pretty much say go for it. But the fights are supposed to bring chaoticness and to excite you from sometimes dull pacing. I believe they have their rightful place in the sound novel, and in event of becoming a school mandatory literature, should not be changed.

>>16660002
The form of furniture were unjustified, why did Ryukishi made cute girls with naughty clothes from them?

>>16660043
Why not?
Not for one moment did I think they were out of place.
Only part that is actually revealing is legs, which is fine. As well as JungeFrau and Pendragon guard rabbits which don't have busting tits, just wear a bunny suit in general.
Showing legs isn't that bad, and I don't think anyone is going to sperge about it.
And if the reader cannot handle legs, they probably cannot handle the work itself.

>>16660002
So close!

Some things came up in the chutuluh discussion. For instance, the sisters of purgatory being scantily clad anime chicks is pure fanservice on r07s part. Battler trying to grope Jessicas and later Shannons boobs (I know he's just being awkward) is also way too anime for any regular person to be able to read it without cringing.

One other thing. While it doesn't have anything to do with anime, I think scrapping land and delaying Virgilius appearance until episode 5 was another decision that brought Uminekos quality down if only a bit. Battler was supposed to be caught between Beatrice trying to get him to admit that witches exist and Virgilius tempting him to abandon his belief in his family. A lot of people did not understand emotionally why Battler did not want to suspect his family because the antagonist with whom he could have argued about that was missing. Improvizing and introducing a tutorial character to make the "game" easier for the readers ultimately hurt the character dynamic too much for it to be a viable alternative storytelling-wise.

>>16660109
>For instance, the sisters of purgatory being scantily clad anime chicks is pure fanservice on r07s part. Battler trying to grope Jessicas and later Shannons boobs (I know he's just being awkward) is also way too anime for any regular person to be able to read it without cringing.

I don't understand why would anyone mind this tiny little bit of fanservice in this otherwise self-contained medium length sound novel?
It doesn't really take away anything from it, and more power to Ryukishi for making a creative designs that you can sympathize with.
Once again, I would say that in this otherwise big sound novel, anyone saying that its cringey or weeaboo is probably nitpicking at the works little charms.
>Shakespeare's Hamlet is written in too archaic english, it cannot be read and appreciated! (especially by Japanese)

This work was made in 16th century, written in the archaic English, along with the culture surrounding it at that time.
Why shouldn't Umineko be written in Japanese (partly irelevant) and with the culture surrounding it and still be considered classic literature?
My reasoning may be off, but I only think that little things like that can only add to the work rather than detract from it.

Also introducing Virgilia is fine as it is. Ep 2, and I still didn't fully understand how this META world works and I think a lot of readers weren't adjusted to it and Virgilia help them do just that.
>Battler was supposed to be caught between Beatrice trying to get him to admit that witches exist and Virgilius tempting him to abandon his belief in his family. A lot of people did not understand emotionally why Battler did not want to suspect his family...

This can only really be seen on a re-read. Honestly, you are still trying to grasp by that point. Red truth,the mystic fights, witches,furniture. Much like Battler, I was pretty lost in the chaos that was going on, relying entirely on Battler who was also lost, Beato and Virgilia to make sense of things for me.

>>16659928
>I can not fathom how Umineko is not a mandatory literature in schooling system.
Because it's fairly obscure and few people in the west have heard of it?

>>16660499
Of course. Its probably because, its not straight book format and because its associated with animation and Japan.
That alone destroys its chances at being work of art.
It hurts to know that everyone is complaing that real art is not made anymore, but you get such a thing in 21st century and completely ignore it because its Japanese.

>>16660386
>don't understand why would anyone mind this tiny little bit of fanservice

Hey, you asked why it wasn't mandatory reading in schools. If you want your work to be recognized as high-culture you can't do this kind of thing.


>This can only really be seen on a re-read.
It would have made episode 3 more disorienting, but I think having Virgilius show that an anti-magic solution is possible if you're willing to use twisted logic would have worked just as well to disspell the illusions people had about magic in the Umineko universe, and it's so much more thematically coherent. Virgilia always felt like a bit redundant as a character to me. Which is not to say that I hate her, it's just a kind of indifference.

>>16659928
I would have it as mandatory in a mystery class if I ever had one.
>ok class, your assignment is to read a +2 million word 'Visual Novel'
>you have until friday
It gives very good introspection of the detective genre as a whole and its tropes.

>I'd pretty much say go for it. But the fights are supposed to bring chaoticness and to excite you from sometimes dull pacing.
No, it's more than that. Often, in detective fiction, you get bullshit unreliable narrators that only purposefully confuses the story. Like one of Christie's most famous novel. The only scenes you can rely on are usually the ones where the detective is present. So Ryukishi had a bold and brilliant idea: ''why not have shonen action scenes that hides what really happened instead of just bullshit?'' and it's just genius.

>>16660043
Ryukishi made the 7 deadly sins into cut girls.
The seven deadly sins. Into. Cute. Girls.
With all the ''Turn X into a girl'', that is just clever.

>>16660109
>also way too anime for any regular person to be able to read it without cringing.
I actually agree.
I remember reading some negative review on Umineko that had no love, and he described that the beginning of story, in the airport was pretty realistic on how family gatherings are. But then Eva goes full anime and does a karate kick at Rudolf's head.

But that's his style. Realistic and anime.
It's what makes him charming. You kinda have to be into anime to like his stuff in the first place.

>>16660561
>cut girls
You meant to say stab girls

MYSTERY TIME

Just a short mystery this weekend.
Krauss has built a large swimming pool on Rokkenjima, complete with gym, changing rooms and showers.
In a bout of fanservice, Erika, Jessica, Maria and Shannon have some fun in the pool. Afterwards, they go to the shower room.

This shower room is very elaborately designed. Four showers adjacent to each other, divided by a wall between each one, though you can see the feet of the person in the next cubicle by a small opening. A shower curtain is provided so the girls can have some privacy while showering.
At one end of the room is Kumasawa doing some laundry, in clear view of all four cubicles.

Erika, Jessica, Maria and Shannon all get in the showers at the same time. They close the curtains behind them. Kumasawa looks on from her desk while folding towels.

Jessica's arm suddenly breaks through the curtain.
"Kumasawa-san, there's no soap in my cubicle. Could you hand me some?"
Kumasawa seems taken aback, she says she was sure she stocked soap in every cubicle that very morning, though this wasn't the first time her forgetfulness got her into trouble. She grabs a soap bar from her table anyway, walks over to Jessica's cubicle and hands it to her through the curtain, then turns around and walks back to her desk to do some more laundry.

At this moment, Erika is washing her luscious hair and rubbing her fluctuatingly-sized breasts when she sees drops of blood from the cubicle next to hers, Jessica's. Erika opens her curtain and then opens Jessica's. Jessica stumbles out, naked, covered in blood, a knife in her back.

Who stabbed Jessica?

>>16660998
I'm assuming
>Erika, Jessica, Maria and Shannon
doesn't mean Maria is next to Jessica:
Shannon hid a knife on a certain soap bar before the crime and placed it on the cubicle she would later use and Kumasawa forgot one cubicle already had one bar
Then she ducked and entered Jessica's cubice through the gap, SOMEHOW killed her making no noise at all, faked Jessica's voice to get another soap bar, went back to her cubicle, used the soap bar that had the knife inside to get rid of the blood on her body and getting rid of the soap bar and finally used the bar Kumasawa gave her to hide the fact she destroyed a soap bar
How absolutely incomptetent am I?

>>16661127
>How absolutely incomptetent am I?
I love your thinking but absolutely nothing you have said is true. It seems my red herrings are starting to work.

news from r07 when

>>16660998
1. Kumasawa stabbed Jessica when she asked for soap

2. Erika stabbed Jessica through the top of her cubicle

3. Erika lied about the drops of blood, and stabbed Jessica when she opened the curtain of her cubicle

>>16661157
1st of April.

>>16660998
It was Kumasawa who stabbed Jessica!

>>16660998
Erika is dead so she couldn't have possibly been there. Battler isn't present so none of it actually happened.

>>16660998
Shannon killed Jessica.
Assuming that Erika is the detective, the answer is simple. Someone took the soap from where Jessica was to shower. The killer knew that Kumasawa would be looking if she sneaked in, so she waited for Jessica to ask for soap. When Kumasawa was distracted, the killer got out of their shower, stabbed Jessica and stayed in the shower waiting for Kumasawa. The killer takes the soap, waits for Kumasawa to turn around and walk away, then goes back to her own shower.

The killer could not have been Erika, assuming she's the detective and the narration is not lying when she notices the blood.
The killer could not have been Maria as she's rather small, and not as tall as Jessica.

Thus, Shannon is the culprit.

What do you think everyone?

>>16661154
Is this red truth ?

>>16661166
>>16661191
>>16661192
Ah let me make something clear.

/RED/ Erika is the detective. This of course means she cannot commit murder, not can her testimony be put into question.

As for Kumasawa, I refuse to comment.

>>16661204
>>16660998
>Someone took the soap from where Jessica was to shower.
took the soap from where Jessica was to shower beforehand*

I forgot to add that.

>>16661154
>absolutely nothing you have said is true
So Maria was next to Jessica?

>>16660998
ううう!
There's a wall between them but not behind them. The culprit, either Maria or Shannon, hid the soap Kumasawa placed beforehand and waited for her to hand Jessica a new one to strike because she needed to be sure that she would be able to stab her from behind. She then returned to her cubicle the way she came.

>>16661207
Yes.
/RED/ Everything in the post >>16661127
is untrue.

>>16661204
Good thinking. Erika is indeed the detective. And:
/RED/ The soap that was to be in Jessica's shower was removed earlier by the killer.

However.
/RED/ The killer never sneaked into Jessica's shower.

>>16661228
/RED/ The soap was right on Kumasawa's desk. She did not take her eyes off the showers as she took the soap, walked over and handed it to JEssica.

>>16661216
Clever bastard. You took my hint.

>>16661228
Of course this means she never had to enter Jessicas cubicle

>>16661234
>/RED/ The killer never sneaked into Jessica's shower.
OH HO HO.
Shit. I have no idea. Hahaha. I thought I had this in the bag.

>She did not take her eyes off the showers as she took the soap, walked over and handed it to JEssica.
Hmm, this makes it even more complicated.

Could the killer imitate Jessica's voice?

>>16661251
/RED/ When Jessica asked for soap it was genuinely Jessica asking for soap. Nobody imitated her voice.


Now tell me, how did a knife end up in Jessica's back when all four showers were in full view of Kumasawa?

>>16660998
Couldn't Kumasawa be the killer? After all, no one else was able to witness if she was handing over a bar of soap or depositing her knife into Jessica's back.

Assuming that she really did hand the soap, would anything be stopping the killer from removed or altered in anyway. Hence, the weapon could be concealed in any bar of soap.
I'd say that it's a suicide. Jessica was the one to remove her bar of soap, and hid a knife inside the bar of soap on the desk.
As soon as she received it from Kumasawa, she removed the weapon and stabbed herself in the back. If she couldn't reach, there's no reason why she wouldn't be able to prop it against the wall in some fashion.

>>16661212
if you don't deny with red the Kumasawa culprit theory, the mystery is already solved, right ?

>>16661258
Kumasawa stabbed Jessica from outside the cubicle after Jessica turned around

>>16661260
>Couldn't Kumasawa be the killer?
That would be too easy. It has to be Shannon somehow.

>>16661260
>>16661261
>>16661263
Some lovely theories coming in, all as good or far-fetched (in a good way) as can be.

I will not speak of Kumasawa's innocence or guilt.

I will however, present you with a piece of artwork I've been working on for the last two minutes which should show the layout of the crime scene.

>>16661288
How small is the opening for each cubicle? Would someone, say a child, be able to crawl underneath it?
There should be something relating to this, surely.

Maria removed Jessica's soap
Kumasawa gave Maria a knife
When Jessica notcied soap was missing she asked Kumasawa
Maria placed her soap bar in Jessica's cubicle through the gap
After she got it she took a step back to get away from the courtain and stepped on Maria's soap,slipped and fell face first
Maria stabbed Jessica through the gap
Fuck I realize that this is wrong because Jessica stumbled out, but it is too good of a theory to stay silent

>>16661293
No one sneaked it, so I assume this applies to the opening between cubicle.
Argh, I honestly have no idea. I'm very close to giving up.

>>16661293
>>16661296
Again, great thinking. But it's much simpler than that.
I can now reveal in red:
/RED/ The gap between the cubicles on the floor has absolutely nothing to do with the murder. It was merely a red herring and its only purpose was to have Erika notice the bloodstains.
No one crawled, stabbed or otherwise harmed anyone through the gap at the bottom of the shower stalls.


Also. Four showers running make quite a noise you know. It gets foggy as well.

>>16661320
What about the top ? Is there a gap at the top ?

I got it.
Maria threw the soap to make Jessica slip, and then landed on a knife that Jessica was holding.

>>16661327
/RED/ There is a gap at the top, but that has nothing to do with the murder.

>>16661352
/RED/ This is not true.

You're all thinking too elaborate. Take a look at my beautiful chart >>16661288
Also don't forget wordplay in REDs

>>16661234
Define "sneaked" please

>>16661360
/RED/ This is not true.
Well, fuck you too.

>>16661360
>/RED/ This is not true.
Well, fuck you too.

>>16661364
Hmmm, I will.
/RED/ The killer did not walk into Jessica's shower. Not a single person walked into Jessica's shower.

>>16661377
Hey man, it's a battle of wits. What else am I supposed to say? I guess I'll give you a red though
/RED/ Jessica never held the knife that killed her.

>>16661382
This doesn't stop anyone from stabbing her while still standing outside of her shower, correct?

>>16661388
Nah, just joking around.
But that bold ''no, that's wrong'' is just a funny middle finger.

>>16661382
Perhaps Jessica was stabbed before she walked into the shower? She left the shower to search for a bar of soap and was stabbed by the killer. She walked back into the room after being fatally wounded.

>>16661382
While she was in it, or even before ?

This always happens. I devise what I think is a complex mystery and it gets solved in two posts. Then I post a short mystery like this which I expect to be solved easily and all of /seacats/ gets up in arms trying to solve it.
I don't mind it, I'm having lots of fun. I do wish someone else would make a mystery though. It'd be fun to be the player, not the GM.

>>16661409
I'm too busy thinking of a naked Jessica to solve it.

>>16661409
I'd love to make a mystery myself and try to make others to solve it. But I've finished the VN around 2 months ago, and I never really read many mystery novels.
Shit seems hard, yo.

>>16661405
/RED/ The killer had been in Jessica's shower before the murder happened. The killer did not enter Jessica's shower during the murder though.

>>16661390
Opening a curtain and plunging a knife into the back of a naked girl does not constitute entering a shower in my book.

>>16661397
I know man, just so many theories flying around.

>>16661421
Come on anon, think harder.
http://imgur.com/u1pwdyH

>>16661432
IT'S POISON!
Someone added poison in the soap. Jessica was not killed by a knife in the back but poison!

>>16661432
The killer is Kumasawa
She entered the shower to steal Jessica's soap and placed it on her desk
This gave her an excuse to get close to Jessica's shower and kill her after handing her the soap

>>16661444
>tfw wants to fap but can't get the mystery out of my mind