/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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Yes. Since 2009.

>>16473428
Ressurecting
Also stop asking the questions you already have an answer for you fucking faggot

We all are dying, anon.

>>16473428
nope

>>16473440
I don't. I'm pretty new to Touhou and so far have only been interested in music and a few characters. I read a bit about competition from Kancolle and how the last few games weren't so well received. Seems to me like it's slowly declining but I want a seasoned 2hufag who knows much more than me to tell me what's really going on.

In my personal opinion, I don't think it's "dying," so to speak. It might be shrinking, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say unironically that most of the people leaving are probably secondaries. The real fans aren't going anywhere, and it's the real fans that are the ones that create most of the content for it. The Touhou merch machine presses on.

Well, to be fair, though, I think Kancolle has stolen some artists away from Touhou. This is just a guess since I haven't actually played Kancolle, but I think it probably has a bigger appeal to secondary Touhou fans since they can play the games without them being somewhat difficult, which objectively Touhou is. I'm also assuming Touhou's lore is also probably harder to understand for a foreigner who isn't familiar with Japanese culture and, admittedly assumedly, Kancolle seems like it would be easier to grasp. It's just boatgirls, after all.

>>16473428
No, Touhou is reclining.

Touhou is reclining.

>>16473617
I want to sit on reisen!

>>16473455
Touhou had a huge popularity boom, especially around Touhou 10 and 11. There was a point when Touhou was THE otaku franchise, hence why this board exists in the first place. (Touhou shit posting got so out of control moot had to make a containment board.) At the height of its popularity, it got memes, remixes, and fanworks up the ass, creating a subsection of fan that solely got by on fan creations alone. (Secondaries)

Like all fads though, something replaced it. Competition from Kancolle and other cute girl gatchapon collect-a-thons stole some of Touhou's thunder, but it's by no means dead. Basically, it goes in a cycle. Every time a new game comes out, new girls are introduced and Touhou gets a lot more attention. In between games though, people generally distract themselves with other stuff, while the die-hards help keep the ship floating.

How old is Zun?
I suppose touhou wont die until he dies.

>>16473691
About 40, I think.

>>16473691
He has a family to uphold now though.

the release of games have slowed down and the new characters haven't been all that appealing like the originals.

There's also the fact that shmups have always been very niche and the fanbase gets smaller every year.

I honestly don't even care much about the official games anymore. All these doujin games that keep coming out are far better than anything that zun has ever made.

>>16473722
>I honestly don't even care much about the official games anymore. All these doujin games that keep coming out are far better than anything that zun has ever made.

>>16473428
With the actual way internet works, nothing really dies.

I still see lots of small megaman/metalslug/whatevernicheshitthing around.

It is reclining?, definitely.
ZUN has gone kike, fanbase is smaller, and there is too fucking many games and stuff to keep check on.

>>16473428
You're dying. Touhou is eternal.

>>16473691
Maybe ZUN Jr. will pick up the mantle one day.
>>16473722
>the new characters haven't been all that appealing like the originals.
I think it's more that the others have had so much time to expand in written works, albums, and explanations by ZUN over the years, and for secondaries there's hundreds of doujins for single characters and thousands upon thousands of images.
I find Hecatia and Junko to be very interesting additions, but they'll never get the exposure of someone as unremarkable as Momiji because they're so new.

>>16473741
I wish zun would release visual novels based on characters. I would love to play a game based on junkos past.

Visual novels would be really easy to do and would expand the touhou universe a lot. It will probably never happen even though its desperately needed.

>>16473722
I find the new characters much more appealing than early Windows characters.

>>16473768
Thank god.

>>16473768
ZUN would have to write for them for them to be canon, though. He's also doing everything himself for all the games, in addition to every other work(manga, etc.)he's already writing for. As great as that would be, he seems like he's already trying decently There's only so much one guy can do, even with as talented as he is..

By new characters you mean 10 onwars or just Junko/Hecatia/Clownpiece?

>>16473722
>All these doujin games that keep coming
Like?

LOLK has a good cast of characters, but everything after UFO has been pretty shit imo. I really like byakuren and her posse. Kyouko and Kogasa are the only characters I really liked in 10 desires. I really don't care at all for kyouko in HM. The characters in DDC were probably the weirdest in the entire series. Kagerou and Shinmyoumaru are the only 2 memorable characters for me and thats mostly because of memes.

LOLK was a step in the right direction, but at the same time I feel that it was a massively missed opportunity since zun did not make kaguya or eirin playable. I don't really understand all his reisen love as of late.

>>16473843
i meant kokoro in HM.

Everything is dying

>>16473843
>LOLK
>Kagerou and Shinmyoumaru are the only 2 memorable characters for me and thats mostly because of memes

>>16473843
How are Kyouko and Kagerou more memorable than the Taoists and Seija? Also, why would he make Kaguya and Eirin playable? The former has never been into action and the latter just employs Reisen, who was already playable in PoFV, for her various tasks.

>>16473768
People's desire to extrapolate on the backstory of throwaway bosses is one of the fandom's biggest problems.

Yes it's now a fad.

>>16473843
why the fuck would kaguya be playable ever.

it's just following the precedent already set by youmu and sakuya. yuyuko and remi being playable in IN is an abberation

>>16473866
I like the moon bunnies. Clownpiece and hecatia are the only meme characters in the game.

>>16473867
Sorry im on team byakuren, taoists can eat shit. Also Kaguya or eirin would have been really neat to see go back to the moon.

>>16473911
Normally I would agree but in Junkos case it would give a lot of more information about the moon and I'm a fan of the lunarians.

>>16473976
Except we're not talking about whether you like those characters or not. I like Byakuren as well. We're talking about memorable characters.

It's shit, so yes.

>>16473976
>meme characters

>>16473976
Reading again your post, there's also the fact Kaguya is a fugitive and Eirin is helping her. Kaguya probably doesn't even care about the Moon anymore.

>>16473976
>Clownpiece and hecatia are the only meme characters in the game.
>Sorry im on team byakuren, taoists can eat shit.
>Kaguya or eirin would have been really neat to see go back to the moon.
>in Junkos case it would give a lot of more information about the moon
So much fucking secondary cancer in one post. Shut up, stop posting, read the print works, play the games, and for fuck's sake, educate yourself on Byakuren's character.

>>16474083
As much as I agree with those points, don't tell me it's the "Byakuren ignores Buddhism and is secretly evil" thing again.

Touhou's doing fine. Looking forward to the two games ZUN's making this year. And considering it's been two years since LoLK, th16 should be here this year.

Hopefully we get A/B shots again. And a good set of patterns.

>>16474227
Maybe this year's gimmick will be more stages. That one's long overdue

>>16473428
>Is Touhou dying?
Yes, when porn dies 2hu will. Until then it shall live on

>>16474255
Maybe this year's gimmick will be a good game.

>>16473843
>The characters in DDC were probably the weirdest in the entire series. Kagerou and Shinmyoumaru are the only 2 memorable characters for me and thats mostly because of memes.

The only ones I forget about are Benben, not Benben and Raiko. I really enjoy the amanojaku. Her game is pretty good too. Shinmyoumaru is fairly memorable as well, just not my cup of tea.

>>16474264
Maybe this year's gimmick will be the absence of shitposters.

>>16473864
If they'd only obey me, then we could reverse that.
>Nobahdi has blinded me

>>16474274
Maybe this year's gimmick will be the lack of butthurt autists

>>16474135
>secretly

>>16474227
LOLK was the worst Touhou since the fucking PC-98 era

Then we're getting another lazy buggy pile of shit from Tasfro who will of course go full Capcom and have the REAL version of the game come out a year later only for the PS4 which has completely exclusive content and bug fixes while the PC users get a buggy pile of shit which has half the content.

touhou is readjusting

>>16474466
The PC users should use it as an excuse to fix and incorporate their fanfiction 2x2hus as an excuse to feel better. Infinite possibilities right, or do you not read words in them shootin' little girl games?

>>16473428
Anon, we're all dying day-by-day.

>>16474614

>>16473585
Kancolle has better in-game art and a much simpler plot "boatgirls fight abyssal monsters." The things that make Touhou good - the gameplay, music, lore, etc. - need a bit more digging in to really appreciate.

>>16474404
Maybe this year's gimmick will be hugs and friendship.

>>16474761
Y-you won't fool me

>>16474466

>>16474274

New official game when

2hu is too hard for beginners to get into. shmups are super autistic and only popular in japan.

>>16474761
I endorse this.

Define dying.

ZUN is still pumping out all sorts of material, games, manga chapters and music CDs despite that he's a family man now.
I would say he might be even more active than he used to be prior to say Mountain of Faith or Subterrnean Animism.

But you likely (and clearly) mean popularity so okay.

Touhou began declining in popularity around SA-UFO, but seems to be bouncing a bit back since ULiL. This was during Religious War that surprise surprise, not many people cared for or liked. Even the games were rather lackluster, UFO, TD and HM are honestly all some of Touhou's absolute worst in gameplay.
For many people, Touhou was a fad and that fad has long since ended. But there are still a very healthy amount of diehard fans to stick to the games, music and characters they very much love, the fact that Touhou still gets a large amount of doujins, art, albums, and fangames is proof of that.

So, Touhou as a fandom is not dying, but it is clearly not as large as it used to be. It's of course due to many factors, fads, old fans retiring, not many newer ones showing up or "competition" such as Kancolle (which I'm not even sure is as popular as it used to be either.) "stealing" the spotlight.

>>16473768
>tfw you play as Junko's husbando after his and the child's death and before Touhou 15
Neat plot path of choice.
Muv Luv Touhou CHOMP!!! , anyone?

>>16475287
*before his and the child's death

>>16473911
I don't really see how that's a problem, though. It just acts as a vessel for more content, really. As long as you accept that it's fanon, it's fine.

I think the problem is that the Mangas are just being dragged out forever with the same few characters appearing over and over again, the Mangas has lost its novelty I think.

And right now all we get in the game department are fighting games...and most people don't even like these new fighting games.

So until we get a new mainline shoot 'em up game with new interesting characters and new good music, Touhou will not get more popular.

>>16473428
I bet if you asked a random 15 year old hikkiNEET in japan they wouldn't know what touhou is

>>16474135
Byakuren's practice of Buddhism and her general motivation is pretty flawed although I think most material does portray her as genuinely nice despite her flaws.

How the hell was the idea of Byakuren being a flawless Jesus analogue even started anyway?

>>16476949
Saw that shit a lot in the Touhou Walfas community. Being treated almost like an Marry Sue at some points.

>>16476949
A shitton of new fans getting on board around the time UFO came out.

>>16473976
>meme characters
>team byakuren
>Kaguya or eirin
>go back to the moon
>fan of the lunarians

>>16476949
I don't get where this "Byakuren misunderstands Buddhism" comes from. I had this talk in the Miko thread last week and every time I explained there was no contradiction, I would get a generic "That goes against Buddhism".
Her motivation (teaching Buddhism to youkai), although bizzare, does make sense when you consider Buddhism isn't about reaching immortality: it's about accepting your wordly death. Would the youkai disappear if they stopped antagonizing humans? Yes, but that's the point: denying your material existence once to reaffirm it, on a higher plan.

I think the "Youkai Jesus" joke comes from her backstory. Just as Jesus, who preached also in favor of the poor and the likes, got crucified, Byakuren, who protected youkai from extermination, got sealed in Makai.
>>16477065
Curious, the only non-comical Walfas work that I watched and had Byakuren (DitR) portrayed her in a very negative light.

>>16477213
There was another DitR clone. Was a mix of Madoka and Team Fortress hunger games shitfest with everyone in gensokyo was christians.
It feels like a fever dream when I think back to that.

>>16473428

yes. and good.

>>16477234
Never heard of it, but I do remember the author of DitR complaining that, after he had made a series specifically to discourage people from recycling cliches and mistaking fanon for canon, some started to recycle DitR elements.

>>16474506
They'll make their code so shit that you can't do it. Or just go full sellout and put DRM in.

>>16477234
>>16477308
Was that the big long image about what's Canon made in waflas which was infested completely with fanon shit which he tried to pass off as canon?

Idiot gets to sleep in the bed he made for himself.

>>16473428
no

If Touhou is reclining, that means Momiji fans are dying. This is a good thing. BTFO filthy faddies.

>>16477213
And Miko's resurrection is similar to that of Jesus' resurrection. What's more from what I know, Jesus in Japanese can be referred to as 神子キリスト, (Divine Child Christ), which is the same kanji as guess what? Miko.
Anyway, based on her actions in the past and her current actions now, Byakuren is not some pure and good nun. She's too absorbed in her own desires to actually do real
good, and she has not the experience of Miko or Kanako to be a great leader. She's impulsive and selfish, doesn't think things through, and highly hypocritical. A literal heretic. Her motive of "youkai equality" could possibly be bs as well, because it looks more like she's advocating youkai superiority. Now I'm not saying Byakuren is a bad person, but she's highly flawed, and people should stop looking at her as some Youkai Jesus because they're literally being fooled.
Miko on the other hand is non-hypocritical. She hides her motives, but she isn't lying or pretending to be something she's not. Miko can be egotistical and be down right mean, but we know Miko is a true ally of humanity. She was willing to administrate Gensokyo (which would potentially slow down her progress of becoming a celestial) not for gaining power, but because she truly cares about the people. Now it's exactly clear or not if Miko is willing to be equals with youkai, especially since she's a hermit and is a delicacy among youkai, but as reasonable as she is I'm confident she would understand and be willing to go on board with it. If not, she'd just ignore it and continue her progress to celestialhood.

>>16478273
Momiji fans are declining, but awooposting is greater than ever.

>>16478273
I think you're forgetting something.

>>16473455
None of the games have been well-recieved. Each new game has been pretty much universally known to be worse than the last.

>>16478365
I don't find it that similar, Miko actually planned her "death" and resurrection while Jesus got crucified by others. It's Seiga who says that her resurrection will be even greater than Christ's one. Besides, it's just a silly nickname that Byakuren got because she was introduced first.

About her backstory, she already admitted her mistakes and openly rejects her previous ideas about subjects like immortality. Miko isn't safe from her past either: she (he?) lied to her own country, pretending to be Buddhist and practicing Taoism, ignoring the rules she formally enforced. But past is past and Miko admitted this as well, so I don't think it matters much. Byakuren considers herself a novice and she introduced herself as such. But she's certainly someone who wants to do good and she selflessly continues protecting misfit youkai, even if it had cost her a sealing in Makai. She isn't perfect, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have good intentions.

Miko doesn't seem to like youkai, as she found a temple including them "filled with such detestable, evil power". But if she continues claiming that desire is part of one's character (and that you can't separate from it) and indulging in wordly matters, she won't progress in her training, since the first requirement to become a celestial is freeing yourself of wordly desires.

Nice pic btw.

>>16473428
No

>>16473722
the new characters are great

>>16473428
Very slowly. Outside of the echochamber known as /jp/ touhou is pretty irelevant. Now if this was 2011 touhou would be relevant for its music and memes.

Personally I think the best games, music, and characters where made before 2011.

>>16473973
>yuyuko and remi being playable in IN is an aberration*
kill yourself, final boss being playable is hype as fuck, and since they are usually best girls it is only appropriate
Then again, Kaguya and Eirin, out of all people have no business going to the fucking moon.

>>16478723
man
hijiri lied so much, she now believes her lies to be a truth and deludes herself.

Did Zun masturbate to touhou doujins? Before marriage at least

>>16481203
you read my mind anon

fuck this shitty series

>>16481174
You corrected the spelling of aberration but don't seem to know what it means

>>16481376
I don't care for muh patterns. Yuyu and Remi being playable is one of the few things IN has going for it.

>>16473428
No but Touhou is reclining.

>>16473428
Why won't Zun make a anime

>>16476910

but would a 15 year old hikkiNEET from 2002 be as cool as one from the early-mid 90's?

i just got on this ship it better not sink for a while dammit

>>16478723
>I don't find it that similar, Miko actually planned her "death" and resurrection while Jesus got crucified by others
>while Jesus got crucified by others
Yeah, except the part where it was all his plan. Or God's plan. Or the plan of both of them, because they're supposed to be one person. So one died to redeem humanity in the eyes of the other... or something.

Christianity is weird.

>>16478723
>Miko isn't safe from her past either: she (he?) lied to her own country, pretending to be Buddhist and practicing Taoism
The important part about this that Miko detractors seem to miss is that Prince Shotoku chose to ALLOW Buddhist families and local rulers to spread their faith unhindered, since Buddhism was, at least in the eyes of Shotoku, more conductive to uniting and restoring the nation. In other words, Prince Shotoku put aside his personal beliefs and allowed the "opposing" religion to prosper for the good of the country. This is a noble act, and should not be glossed over.

Now, it could be argued whether his lichification at the hands of Seiga was a betrayal of the nation or a completely unrelated act (though I would lean toward the former myself). But choosing Buddhism to spread after the Soga-Mononobe conflict and the battle at Shigisan was a benevolent and well-motivated decision.

How the fuck can Touhou even be popular to begin with? Maybe it would be better for the earth to stop existing if grown ass man dedicate their life to autistic shit like Touhou and My little pony.

>>16493977
I agree in principle, but then I think of Gulliver and his Travels and I try to hold on for better.
>this is sernal josen, the radio crackered

>>16493899
I know that, but I meant to say that other people killed him for their own reasons. Miko set up her own ritual. She was, however, born in a stable. But again, the "Youkai Jesus" thing is just a meme, Byakuren isn't even Christian.
>>16493957
One of the reasons why Touhou Shotoku allowed those rulers to spread Buddhism was to make sure people without political power wouldn't gain it though. I get that it was to ensure a strong rule over the country, but I'm not so sure about the moralitý of such a use of religion. Not to mention the fact that she ridiculed its precept of temperance in front of Byakuren (for which Marisa had to intervene so that the talk wouldn't just become Miko pettily mocking Byakuren), having no problem at all with monks reeking of booze during her time, so I'm not sure about the effectiveness of said implementation of Buddhism either, even if she chose it mostly because it forbids murder.

In the end, I guess the "faking" was necessary for raison d'État, but the latter is hard to conciliate with ethics. Again, events that happened 1400 years before Touhou. I prefer to consider the characters in their actual, on-screen (print works included of course, but you get the idea) appearance.

>>16494427
>I'm not so sure about the moralitý of such a use of religion
Not his religion. Not his problem.
>having no problem at all with monks reeking of booze during her time
Byakuren was the one who insisted on the no-alcohol rule, yet ignored her subordinates openly breaking said rule. We don't know Miko's stance on mixing alcohol and religion.

>>16494462
She didn't "ignore it". She wasn't aware of their misdeeds until they told her about them. She has shown to be able to distance herself from the activities of her comrades, like Nue or Kyouko. Byakuren even said she's gonna punish Kyouko. Not to mention the fact that I'm talking about Byakuren, not Myouren Temple as a whole. I don't the other Buddhists.
Also, Byakuren just said she didn't want sake, she didn't ask for anyone in the symposium to follow her stance. Miko's "funny" comment and personal attack on how Byakuren "pretends to spout wisdom" was uncalled for and didn't bring anything constructive to the discussion. Miko could have easily ignored Byakuren's answer to being offered sake, but no.