/jp/ - Otaku Culture

His crimes gave the general public a formal reason to dislike otaku until the mid to late 90s. Among older people the sentiment still exists, although it has largely dissolved in the current generation. Thinking about it again he didn't really affect the culture itself, it was the reaction. I could be wrong about all this though.

>>15855704
He doesn't look so bad

Disappointed to find out the Otaku Killer wasn't someone who killed Otaku.

>>15855704
What about the suspicion that some of the evidence against him were fabricated? I mean murderer is murderer, but to make the otaku look bad?

>>15856091
I was expecting a pasty version of DOMO.

>>15855704
Hiro?

The bad reputation affected mostly Comiket goers (Miyazaki belonged to a circle there, but allegedly no one could stand him) and to a lesser extent horror and tokusatsu fans, since he was in possession of lots of Ultraman tapes and Guinea Pig movies

Huge blowback on Comiket and doujin mangas depicting naked minors, which contribued to Comiket to being driven out of Makuhari Messe in 1991, and move to Tokyo Big Sight after risking complete cancellation.

Sort of an urban legend, but during the same year of the murders, Comiket was also presented on Japanese news as a "gathering of 100,000 Tsutomu Miyazaki", to this day many swear to have heard that sentence but don't know who or on what program.

At any rate, yellow press loved to bash Comiket for a long time afterward.

The bad reputation affected mostly Comiket goers (Miyazaki belonged to a circle there, but allegedly no one could stand him) and to a lesser extent horror and tokusatsu fans, since he was in possession of lots of Ultraman tapes and Guinea Pig movies

Huge blowback on Comiket and doujin mangas depicting naked minors, which contribued to Comiket being driven out of Makuhari Messe in 1991 after new regulations were enacted, and move to Tokyo Big Sight after risking complete cancellation.

Sort of an urban legend, but during the same year of the murders, Comiket was also presented on Japanese news as a "gathering of 100,000 Tsutomu Miyazaki", to this day many swear to have heard that sentence but don't know who said or on what program.

At any rate, yellow press had a field day Comiket for a long time afterward.

The bad reputation affected mostly Comiket goers (Miyazaki belonged to a circle there, but allegedly no one could stand him) and to a lesser extent horror and tokusatsu fans, since he was in possession of lots of Ultraman tapes and Guinea Pig movies

Huge blowback on Comiket and doujin mangas depicting naked minors, which contribued to Comiket being driven out of Makuhari Messe in 1991 after new regulations were enacted, and move to Tokyo Big Sight after risking complete cancellation.

Sort of an urban legend, but during the same year of the murders, Comiket was also presented on Japanese news as a "gathering of 100,000 Tsutomu Miyazaki", to this day many swear to have heard that sentence but don't know who said or on what program.

At any rate, yellow press had a field day bashing Comiket for a long time afterward.

>looks this up
What the fuck
Guy reminds me of Jeffrey Dahmer

>>15859832
Best part is still the arrest
>On July 23, 1989, Miyazaki attempted to insert a zoom lens into the vagina of a grade schoolgirl in a park near her home and was apprehended by her father. After fleeing naked on foot, Miyazaki eventually returned to the park to retrieve his Toyota car, whereupon he was arrested by police who had responded to a call by the father.

Quite a long way from Miyazaki to the ikemen a have now. Aren't we long overdue for another indecent?

>>15855704

didn't he have like penguin hands or something? he must have had a hard time masturbating

>>15859423
Wow. That is quite the scatting article. It feels as if the person had a particular beef to pick with otaku. Must have gotten ntr'ed by a dork or something.

>>15855704
What a piece of nigger shit. Hanging was a penance. He should've been raped and eaten by hounds.
Fucking trash.

>>15860265
Why so mad, did he kill your imouto or something?

>>15860274
Nah, mentally ill degenerates just piss me off.

>>15860276
Might want to get off 4chan then...

>>15860276
Hanging out on /jp/ may not be so good for your health.

>>15860276
>le monke face meme XD

Speaking of mental retards

>>15856117
It was a vast zionist conspiracy.

Damn guess they were right about hiro's shady past

>>15856117
Not "making otaku look bad", but a bunch of conspiracy theories and urban legends have popped up during these decades around this case, mostly coming from tondemo books that love taking the side of and defend absolutely inexcusable scumbags.

Here's a site tearing some of these conspiracies to shreds that I found some time back, haven't finished reading it all myself, but have fun.
http://std2g.web.fc2.com/

>>15855704
I always hoped someone would translate a book on him into English

>>15859852
>fleeing naked on foot
Wait, what?

List of victims: First one was 4-year-old Mari Konno. He abducted her from a foot bridge near her apartment while she was on her way to a friend's house. She got in his car and he drove her an hour and a half away, out to a wooded area, where he walked around with her for a half hour and then strangled her once she started getting upset. He stripped her naked, did sexual things with the corpse, then took her clothes and drove, off leaving the body behind.

He later killed his second victim in the same area, leaving the body near-by to Mari's, and then came back some time later and took Mari's bones, which he kept the hands and feet of and then cremated the rest and left them in a box outside the front door of her parents' apartment. He also used to call them in the middle of the night and sent them letters saying what he did to their daughter.

Second victim was 7-year old Masami Yoshizowa. She was lured into his car off the street near an elementary school 6 weeks after he killed Mari.

He drove her out to the same wooded area where he killed Mari, and strangled Masami. Then he stripped her naked and sexually abused her body as well. He got scared though when her body shuddered and quickly fled.

Third victim, Erika Naniwa, also 4-years-old was walking home from a friend's house when she was also lured into his car near her apartment.

He drove off to a wooded area and had her strip in the back seat of his car while he took pictures. A passing car spooked him, so he strangled her in the back seat. Then he wrapped her in a sheet and put her in the trunk of his car. While driving with the body, his tires got stuck on the side of the road. So he threw on his emergency lights, parked and quickly ran to dispose of the body in the woods. When he got back to the car with the sheet, some men helped him get his car back on the road and sent him on his way. Erika's body was quickly discovered after that.

>>15855704
Don't call yourself an otaku if you have real life friends kid.

>>15860374
Who are you qouting?

Ayako Nomoto, 5-years-old. He encountered her in a park one day, and convinced her to let him snap photos of her. Soon he convinced her to get in his car to take pictures. While in the car she commented on his deformed wrists. He got angry, put on some vinyl gloves and strangled her. Then to make sure she was dead, he put some tape over her mouth and tied her up with some rope. Then he covered her in a sheet and stuffed her in his trunk and took her home with him. At his place he sexually abused her corpse and rented a camera to film her genitals and body. After a few days of keeping her corpse, around, she began to smell, so he dismembered her, keeping the hands to cook them on a grill and try to eat some of. He mutilated her torso to try and make it difficult to identify and dumped it near a public toilet in a cemetery. He tossed the rest including her head down a hill near his house, but got scared that the remains were too close to his house, so he went and moved them.

>>15867471
>>15867481
>>15867506
>>15867534
i mean... this guy was a real jerk.

>>15867471
Foot bridge in front of her apartment building that Mari was abducted from.

More of the bridge

Miyazaki showing police the location where he abducted Mari from.

Location where Miyazaki took Mari, located near the Shintama substation.

More photos of the area. He parked around this area and walked around in the woods with the girl for roughly 20-30 minutes.

Signs located in the woods

Another shot from the area.

Roughly the location of where she was murdered. She started to become upset and at that point, Miyazaki decided to strangle her as he had no intention to return the small girl.

After she was dead, he stripped her naked and molested and sexually abused the coprse, then bundled up the clothes and took them home with him. 23 days later he rented a video camera and returned to the body and filmed and took pictures of the decomposing remains.

Drawing depicting the clothes Mari was wearing when she went missing. The poster was distributed by police months later as they struggled to figure out what had happened to the child.

>>15859423
>to this day many swear to have heard that sentence but don't know who said or on what program.
Mandela effect

After she had rotted Miyazaki once again returned to Mari's body, which he had apparently returned to on multiple occasions including murdering and dumping the remains of his second victim near by.

He eventually dismembered Mari then burning the remains except for the hands and feet and her teeth in his furnace. He then smashed the charred remains and put them in a box.

He went and drove back to Mari's apartment, parking in the lot shown in the photo here, and then placed the box along with some photos and a letter in front of her family's apartment door.

Flowers left around the location where she was killed.

Miyazaki's bedroom

Manga depicting one of the murders

Why are so many pedos prone to being serial killers?

>>15870395
you can't really have sex with a child and get away with it, so they kill them so nobody finds out

>>15870401
You can though, I imagine raping and manipulating a child not to tell would be much easier than a grown women

Why do they call him the "otaku" killer?

>>15870422
he was an otaku

>>15870376

Hey, how did you get a picture of my room?

>>15870422
He's an otaku and he's a killer

>>15870422
Had a Comiket circle
Obsessed with tokusatsu and horror movies to the point that media wondered if his actions were inspired by Guinea Pig movies or Sweet Home
Set up a VHS copying business to sell and distributed videos among members of his own video club circle at a time when VHS decks costed an arm and a leg
Room stuffed with manga and VHS recordings of anime and tokusatsu series (see http://std2g.web.fc2.com/shiryou/list.html))

>>15870395
You have to differentiate between a pedophile and a child abuser. I suspect there are many more closet pedophiles than we realize.

Some people then are especially messed up, and decide to not give a fuck anymore. Go all the way if you're going to do it... Maybe they're psychotic, maybe they just figured that society has already decided they're a monster, and want to act accordingly... I don't know.

>>15870395
Because they're motivated by sexual purposes, and therefore whenever they become aroused it becomes possible that they could act on their sexual fantasies, and those sexual fantasies may result in a victim needing to die; in order to avoid identification of the suspect or possibly for sexual pleasure, depending on motive.

Being a pedophile is particularly risky if they act on their fantasies, as they must engage in risky behavior that could get them arrested and sent to prison for years, possibly even for the rest of their life, the same goes with rapists or any sexual predators.

>>15870466
>Had a Comiket circle
I wonder if any of his works are out there/online.

>>15870759
I think not since it managed to sell just six copies. All the scans of his drawings so far exist just because they were published on books and contemporary magazines reporting about the case, the rest is probably lost to time by now.

Can someone translate this stuff? I'm interested in reading more about this case, but I don't understand enough Japanese to really read and understand any of it.

Particularly these sound interesting:

http://std2g.web.fc2.com/seimei/seimei.html

http://std2g.web.fc2.com/shiryou/kokuhaku.html

I wonder which is worse. A tokusatsu fan committing atrocity, or that one with Junko Furuta.

>Named Otaku Killer
>Doesn't kill otaku

>According to a high school classmate, Miyazaki suffered from an inferiority complex due to the size of his penis and would not interact with older women

Is this actually true or is it wiki vandalism? It seems too good to be true.

>>15871537
Well some people got to be the unfortunate ones, to have a small penis even for Asian standards.

I did a presentation about him for forensics class way back in high school, because all the other subjects were taken and I didn't see him on the list.
Apparently he claimed that someone called Ratman talked to him and convinced him on murdering, he even drew pics of him for the court. Does anyone have his drawings or they just nonexistent on the net?

>>15871732
he was probably trying to pull the insanity card if Japan has something like that.

>>15870401
You can in 3rd world country though, most of the reported child rape in my coutry, the rapist only get caught when the victim is pregnant, not because they rat him out. Think about those that is not...

>>15871537
It has come up in other reports, and he has been said to have some actual deformation.
Also he was a killer, so I guess he could just say anything about him to smudge his already dead name
>>15870383
Know if this is translated anywhere?

>>15871779
I heard of case in either Ecuador or Peru, a man was able to kidnap girls in his town for decades before more powerful people started to crack down.
The youngest girl to be pregnant was also in Peru, the man was never found but everyone started pointing at her father.

>>15871537
It only came up as an anonymous rumour on sleazy tabloids at the time, so it's probably false information.

>>15871732
http://std2g.web.fc2.com/shiryou/miyazakinoe/miyazakinoe.html

Some of the drawings he did during his prison and psychiatric probation period. There's a ratlike drawing, drawn at the request of a magazine editor.

>>15871780
I'm not even sure if the rest of the manga is online. I found it while trying to google information on him, but I don't understand enough Japanese to really know more than a few words.

I'm still wanting someone to translate the confession letters

http://std2g.web.fc2.com/seimei/seimei.html

http://std2g.web.fc2.com/shiryou/kokuhaku.html

>>15870781
If that's his style then it is no surprise.

The fact that he was a Tokatsu fan depresses me to be honest. Clearly he didn't take the messages about justice to heart.

>>15872877
I still believe that he wanted to be caught. He did many things that someone who didn't want to be caught did.

>>15867481
oh she is pretty cute/

>>15873058
Which makes her untimely death and desecration even more sad.

She could have had a happy school life but this guy just had to take his frustrations on her.

>>15871779
>>15871787

>This guy killed and raped 300 children

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Garavito

I still don't get how is this guy still alive, Colombian laws are screwed

>>15873166
Well, street children in the third world... probably would have ended up criminals too.

>>15872914
He was looking for a masked hero, that guy. They call him Mister otaku

>>15873166
If they can get away with it, they are gonna do it.

Although these people target children not because they are sexually attracted to children, but because they know that children cannot put much of a fight.

>>15860276
>>15860265
Wanting to viciously murder another human being, while somehow trying to act like doing so puts you on the moral high ground, makes you just as much of a degenerate.

If you so desperately want to kill a "mentally ill degenerate" then practice what you preach and start with yourself.

>>15860265
>>15860276
Don't you have some pedos to kill in your game that will never come out Haze?

>>15873363
I agree. Murderers and rapists should be killed without even a word.

>>15873391
yea but that means you should be killed too if you killer a murdered since you become a murderer

>>15872806
http://pastebin.com/hBcmQNkc

I translate the first part of the "confession letter", sorry if it's somewhat rushed. I wonder why nobody has ever done until now. Should I continue?
Anyway, it sounds less like Jack the Ripper's From Hell and more like a letter of apology to Mari's family if anyone is wondering. Note in that this and the other letter, Miyazaki uses the alias of Imada Yuuko, her fictional persona is a middle aged woman who apparently couldn't bear child due to a problem to the uterus but really wished to be close to children. So any reference to himself as a woman in both letters is to keep his real identity hidden.

>>15871490
Killer Otaku does sound cooler

>>15873500
It means you save other people from potentially getting raped and murdered. It's sacrifice for the greater good.

>>15855704
Goodness, >>15859423 is right, this guy was like Dahmer. Gross

>>15873510
I just read it, it seems like he's playing games; milking Mari's death to make himself perhaps feel more important by trying to control the information disemminated on the crime.

Yeah go for it, I'm interested in reading any of the actual letters he wrote.

>>15873510
Thank you. I am fascinated by the twisted mind.

>>15859832
>>15873720
The only real similarities is that both were cannibals and loners. Dahmer was a closeted gay man growing up in the 70's to religious parents and grand parents. He believed being gay was wrong and evil and he didn't know any other gay people or how to meet them.

Dahmer was also allegedly a racist according to several books written on him, which quote his family claiming he became racist toward black men after his arrest for child molestation. His family suggested he had been raped and terrorized by black inmates. Another book quotes a patron from a gay bar who thought Dahmer was a straight religious fanatic who was in the bars to start trouble, saying that Dahmer once said that AIDS was a punishment by God for being gay. Dahmer also tried to go to church and pretend he wasn't gay, becoming asexual for awhile, but said that the turning point was when a man passed him a note in a local library offering to give him a blowjob.

>>15873510
Seems like I made one big mistake in the translation.

>てっきり、冷たくかたくなった人間ガそこに居ると思っていたのに、何とそこには、真理ちゃんが骨だけになっているではありませんか。

Here, around the last part, "Yuuko" expected to find Mari's body still cold and stiff but found her reduced to a pile of bones and got scared because of it. Sorry if the sentence made little sense because of the amateurish mistake.

>>15873500
>yea but that means you should be killed too if you killer a murdered since you become a murderer

I don't think you understand the concept of "murder."
Murder is when intentionally kill an innocent person.
If someone is trying to murder you and you kill them to protect yourself, that's not murder. If you execute someone that cannot be allowed to live in society anymore because of their crimes, that's not murder.

Killing is not always wrong.

>>15873510
>http://pastebin.com/hBcmQNkc

It makes me happy to know that this guy was executed.
You can tell by the letter he wrote that he feels no remorse for what he did. He lies about what he did, who he is, and why he did it.

>>15874667
It seems like he wants to control the narrative, probably for the media to report on later and make it seem like he feels remorseful, but the letter itself and the actions he was taking seemed to be about extending and prolonging the gratification he was receiving over the murder as well as making himself feel more important.

>>15874695
Yeah, I think he just enjoys telling the parents about how he killed their child and this was a way he could get away with doing that.

http://pastebin.com/g9PRTU0G

Continuation of the "confession letter". Here Yuko/Miyazaki is pissed that the police didn't show the photos of Mari's clothes to their parents and are still feeding them hope she's alive somewhere. Sort of repetitive. Along with the letter, he sent a scan of the original photo as it was when he sent it and attached a diagram describing the content.

>>15874721
>http://pastebin.com/g9PRTU0G
From this one it seems like he wants credit for the murder, that he wants the media to acknowledge that he, the letter writer is the killer and did infact put the ashes and bones at the apartment where Mari's parents lived. Getting credit seems very important here as well as wanting the parents to view the evidence and see and know what happened to their daughter.

>>15874721
So the asshole wanted to torture them and show off his crime. The world is a better place without him.

>>15874942
He also used to call them repeatedly and sit on the other end saying nothing. And if they ignored the calls, he'd keep ringing for roughly 20 minutes or so.

>>15874991
How'd the cops not find this guy sooner? Are Japanese police that shit?

>>15873194
Most of them would have been thieves not serial killers.

>>15875427
Japanese police are pretty shit yes but dunno maybe in the 80s police didn't trace phone calls or something or maybe it was from a payphone who knows.

>>15875427
Japanese police probably had little knowledge on dealing with serial killers, as it was the FBI who had pioneered criminal profiling and the study of serial killers. Serial murder is rare in Japan. There's so many American serial killers that I'm aware of that most people probably have never heard of.

The Japanese police perhaps also couldn't make a strong connection between the first two abductions, but after the third abduction when there was an actual body recovered there was a greater likelihood that they were related and they had witnesses in the first and third abductions and then he started writing the letters giving them more and more information on the killer. He had taken so many risks in communicating and in the third and fourth murders that it probably would have been a matter of time before he was caught had he not been caught in the process of taking photos of a fifth victim.

>>15867534
le escalated fast meme

Found some pages to a manga on Miyazaki

You can buy it here on kindle:

https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%AD%BB%E5%88%91%E5%9B%9A%E3%81%AE%E6%9C%80%E6%9C%9F%EF%BD%9E%E8%91%AC%E3%82%89%E3%82%8C%E3%81%9F%E5%BF%83%E7%B7%A8%EF%BD%9E-%E7%83%9F%E5%B7%BB%E5%92%8C%E7%BE%8E-ebook/dp/B00GCT45YU

Some random pages from it

Last one that I found

>>15870383

This is a link to where you can buy this manga that this page is from. I'd love to find a copy of this online somewhere and get it translated.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E5%87%B6%E6%82%AA%E7%8A%AF%E7%BD%AA%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%AB-2-%E3%83%90%E3%83%B3%E3%83%96%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B3%E3%83%9F%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9/dp/4812463742?SubscriptionId=AKIAJRVTJ5JYE2XLTUTA&tag=t0e19-22&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=4812463742

>>15875851
Forgot to include the cover image

>>15875835
I guess that's supposed to be the rat man thing right?

>>15874635
Being a vigilante and killing people you don't like not only makes you a murderer, but possibly a serial killer.

>>15875943
What about a situation where a loved one can only be saved by killing someone? Like, you are armed and someone is clearly off their rocker with a knife or other weapon pointed at your child for example. Would pulling the trigger to prevent an innocent death be equivalent to murder? Now this is an extreme example I know but I designed it in such a way to put your generalizing into context. What do you say?

>>15875943
>>15876016
Guys can you take this elsewhere... it's ethics 101.

>>15875889
You would be guessing right.

>>15873510
This is sickening. I thought Junko's murder was messed up, but these murders take the fucking cake.

>>15877708
Keep in mind that both the stories in the Seimei letter and Kokuhaku letter are half-fictional, told by a fictional woman called Imada Yuko that Miyazaki used to hide himself.
The real version of the facts are told pretty straightforwardly in the written reports that were given to the police
http://std2g.web.fc2.com/joushinsho/joushinsho.html

>>15875889
Yes, after owning up to his crimes Miyazaki tried to deny them by inventing the story of these rat people (nezumi ningen or nezumi otoko, depending of where you read the story). He apparently came up with them when he had his first physchiatric examination, kept using the story at the first court hearing. I can't find the records, but he told that first they killed Mari, then a group of them encircled his car or something

Anyway
http://www.maroon.dti.ne.jp/knight999/miyazaki.htm
>――　犯行そのものについては？
What about his crimes?
>「被告人は、『やったというより起こった』『覚えがない、他人事だ』と言う。被害者との遭遇は否定しないが、犯行直前になると『〝ネズミ人間〟が現れ、怖くて何もわからなくなり、気がついたらマネキンのようなもの（遺体のこと）が落ちていた。落ちているものならなんでもいいから、おじいさんへの捧げ物に用いた』と」
The defendant says "Rather than doing it, it happened", "I don't remember it, someone else did it". He doesn't deny meeting the victim, but before the crime took place "Rat people appeared, I was frightned and couldn't understand anything. When I came to myself, I noticed a mannequin-like thing (the dead body) had fallen on the ground. It fell on the ground, so it doesn't matter if we give it as an offering to the old man"
>――　〝ネズミ人間〟については、捜査段階ではまったく供述していませんが？
But he never said anything about these "rat people" during the investigation stage.
>「拘禁生活が続くうちに、反応性の妄想にもとづき、いろんなものが出たのかもしれません。『〝ネズミ人間〟が現れると、大変恐ろしい状態になる』と言う。本人は鑑定時に、机を叩いて怒鳴ったりして、涙をうかべたことがあり、やはり拘禁の影響があるようです」
Perhaps something happened during his detainment period, based on the reactivity of his delusions. "When the rat period, it gets really scary", he says. During the probation, he often beat on the table, yelled in anger and cried. Of course, the detainment had an impact on him"

>>15877708
Keep in mind that both the stories in the Seimei letter and Kokuhaku letter are half-fictional, told by a fictional woman called Imada Yuko that Miyazaki used to hide himself.
The real version of the facts are told pretty straightforwardly in the written reports that were given to the police
http://std2g.web.fc2.com/joushinsho/joushinsho.html

>>15875889
Yes, after owning up to his crimes Miyazaki tried to deny them by inventing the story of these rat people (nezumi ningen or nezumi otoko, depending of where you read the story). He apparently came up with them when he had his first physchiatric examination, kept using the story at the first court hearing. I can't find the records, but he told that first they killed Mari, then a group of them encircled his car or something

Anyway
http://www.maroon.dti.ne.jp/knight999/miyazaki.htm
>――　犯行そのものについては？
What about his crimes?
>「被告人は、『やったというより起こった』『覚えがない、他人事だ』と言う。被害者との遭遇は否定しないが、犯行直前になると『〝ネズミ人間〟が現れ、怖くて何もわからなくなり、気がついたらマネキンのようなもの（遺体のこと）が落ちていた。落ちているものならなんでもいいから、おじいさんへの捧げ物に用いた』と」
The defendant says "Rather than doing it, it happened", "I don't remember it, someone else did it". He doesn't deny meeting the victim, but before the crime took place "Rat people appeared, I was frightned and couldn't understand anything. When I came to myself, I noticed a mannequin-like thing (the dead body) had fallen on the ground. It fell on the ground, so it doesn't matter if we give it as an offering to the old man"
>――　〝ネズミ人間〟については、捜査段階ではまったく供述していませんが？
But he never said anything about these "rat people" during the investigation stage.
>「拘禁生活が続くうちに、反応性の妄想にもとづき、いろんなものが出たのかもしれません。『〝ネズミ人間〟が現れると、大変恐ろしい状態になる』と言う。本人は鑑定時に、机を叩いて怒鳴ったりして、涙をうかべたことがあり、やはり拘禁の影響があるようです」
Perhaps something happened during his detainment period, based on his reactive delusions. "When the rat people show up, I feel really scared", he says. During the probation, he often beat on the table, yelled in anger and cried. Of course, the detainment had an impact on him"

>>15877708
Keep in mind that both the stories in the Seimei letter and Kokuhaku letter are half-fictional, told by a fictional woman called Imada Yuko that Miyazaki used to hide himself.
The real version of the facts are told pretty straightforwardly in the written reports that were given to the police
http://std2g.web.fc2.com/joushinsho/joushinsho.html

>>15875889
Yes, after owning up to his crimes Miyazaki tried to deny them by inventing the story of these rat people (nezumi ningen or nezumi otoko, depending of where you read the story). He apparently came up with them when he had his first physchiatric examination, kept using the story at the first court hearing. I can't find the records, but he told that first they killed Mari, then a group of them encircled his car or something

Anyway
http://www.maroon.dti.ne.jp/knight999/miyazaki.htm
>――　犯行そのものについては？
What about his crimes?
>「被告人は、『やったというより起こった』『覚えがない、他人事だ』と言う。被害者との遭遇は否定しないが、犯行直前になると『〝ネズミ人間〟が現れ、怖くて何もわからなくなり、気がついたらマネキンのようなもの（遺体のこと）が落ちていた。落ちているものならなんでもいいから、おじいさんへの捧げ物に用いた』と」
The defendant says "Rather than doing it, it happened", "I don't remember it, someone else did it". He doesn't deny meeting the victim, but before the crime took place "Rat people appeared, I was frightned and couldn't understand anything. When I came to myself, I noticed a mannequin-like thing (the dead body) had fallen on the ground. It fell on the ground, so it didn't matter if they gave it as an offering to the old man"
>――　〝ネズミ人間〟については、捜査段階ではまったく供述していませんが？
But he never said anything about these "rat people" during the investigation stage.
>「拘禁生活が続くうちに、反応性の妄想にもとづき、いろんなものが出たのかもしれません。『〝ネズミ人間〟が現れると、大変恐ろしい状態になる』と言う。本人は鑑定時に、机を叩いて怒鳴ったりして、涙をうかべたことがあり、やはり拘禁の影響があるようです」
Perhaps something happened during his detainment period, based on his reactive delusions. "When the rat people show up, I feel really scared", he says. During the probation, he often beat on the table, yelled in anger and cried. Of course, the detainment had an impact on him"

>>15879077
Sounds like BS so he could use the insanity defense.

First part of the translation of the Kokuhaku letter before I go to sleep, this one was sent to Mari's family after the funeral. I don't know if I should finish translating or not, but all the important bits are there.

http://pastebin.com/JNyVDbWy

Again, Miyazaki roleplays as Imada Yuuko again, tells about her fictional child, gets pissed at the press for misinterpreting his statements, etc...
If you manage to get to the end before getting bored, the reference to a certain Tomoko who went lost in the Gunma prefecture is linked to this case (still unsolved, though at first blamed on Miyazaki)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashikaga_murder_case

If anyone is still interested, this is the first part of the translation of the Kokuhaku letter before I go to sleep, this one was sent to Mari's family after the funeral. I don't know if I should finish translating or not, but all the important bits are there.

http://pastebin.com/zmM4T8TT

Again, Miyazaki roleplays as Imada Yuuko again, tells about her fictional child, gets pissed at the press for misinterpreting his statements, etc...
If you manage to get to the end before getting bored, the reference to a certain Tomoko who went lost in the Gunma prefecture is linked to this case (still unsolved, though at first blamed on Miyazaki)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashikaga_murder_case

>>15879378
Also the translation said Mondays, but it was Sundays in the original letter.

>>15879378
>http://pastebin.com/zmM4T8TT
Thanks, I just took a read. I read about the Tomoko case awhile back. I think I read the police coerced their suspect into falsely confessing to her murder.

Bippity boppity bump to keep translations going

>>15873363
>>15873500

Wow, it's rare to see a post that naive.

I suppose if someone rape your okasan/imouto, you will just give him tea and with him a good healthy life.

>>15882237
Well I don't think that kind of talk is very clever either. It should be about trying to avoid that from happening in the first place. Does death penalty work towards that? I don't think so.

>>15882439
It does.
It guarantees they don't do it again.

>>15882439
>>15882619
The death penalty is a fitting punishment for several reasons, the first and foremost being that a punishment must fit the crime. If the punishment for murder for example, were a $100 fine, would that deter someone from committing a crime? No, absolutely not. Hence a harsh punishment would then greatly deter a crime from being committed.

Further it's about getting justice for the victim and their family by closing the book on a painful chapter in their lives. As long as a killer is alive, they will often try and appeal their sentences for years, maybe even decades, maybe even attempt to write books on their crime, or engage in other activities to further prolong suffering of the families of their victims or to help them get released from prison.

In addition this is about preventing a killer from ever being able to re-offend again. Sometimes some how, a killer will get paroled for murder, despite posing a great risk to society. There are many such cases of killers re-offended; released to kill again due to soft sentences for their prior crimes.

>>15883227
No one in their right mind would think a fine is a fitting punishment for murder. Sentence length of course is something that varies greatly, in some countries probably too short. Anyway I don't think the sentence should be about time, but about the mental faculties of the criminal. Some people should never be released. Some genuinely atone and become a different person. But I don't think we understand psychology well enough yet, and in that utopia we could do that we could probably also figure out and fix those people before they go bad.

>>15883271
We know enough that they're responsible for their actions. We also know about mitigating circumstances.

>Some genuinely atone and become a different person

It's not about atoning or becoming a different person, it's about justice for the victim. If a crime is especially heinous, it doesn't matter if they atoned or are no longer the person they were at the time of the crime. Giving them a second chance would be a very pro-offender stance versus a pro-victim stance.

Final part of the Kokuhaku letter, had to finish what I started. Honestly, I dropped the ball at some point because I had no idea what Yuuko aka Miyazaki was even ranting about anymore and kept the translation as literal as possible,. If someone can double check for me...

http://pastebin.com/njxe26MQ

Anyway you'll surely be happy to know that all this morbid roleplaying earned him a diagnosis of multiple personality disorder during the psychiatric examination.

>>15883311
I don't think it is an either/or question. And certainly if one thinks that it's all over for the murderer, what is the point of any other sentence than death (erasing the person)? But I do think that death sentence has it's problems. It's a "release", and as with Miyazaki, I suspect many of these have given up and life and are ready for suicide. So they think, "might as well have some fun beforehand". That's not very good.

I tried to think how I would feel if I was the parent of one these girls. It's not easy, but I could kind of do it by thinking about my sister. There is nothing mitigating in these killings, it was planned and cold-blooded. I would want the killer dead, that is the emotional reaction.

I'd much rather think about how to prevent this from happening in the first place...

>>15883353
And I was already confused when he started talking about the "bones of his son"...

>>15883369
>But I do think that death sentence has it's problems. It's a "release", and as with Miyazaki, I suspect many of these have given up and life and are ready for suicide.

It's not about what the killer wants, it's about what the victim's family would want. Not to mention, many killers, even serial killers beg and plead when it comes for them to face their execution. Tommy Lynn Sells, began talking of forgiveness and crying and weeping. Ted Bundy was scared and hoping to cut some kind of deal for the bodies of other victims. John Wayne Gacy was feverishly insisting that someone had buried all those bodies under his house and that he was really innocent.

>
I'd much rather think about how to prevent this from happening in the first place...

You create a strong deterrent to discourage others from following in the footsteps of other killers.

>i hate evil people
>so i'm going to punish them by being an evil people and acting like they do, only towards them
>this somehow makes me better than them
You Batman-types are all fucking stupid.

>>15883431
Who are you quoting?

And no, you don't mean Batman, you mean the Punisher, who did nothing wrong.

>>15883431
How is it evil protecting the world from people like Westley Allan Dodd, who state that if given a life sentence they'll do everything in their power, including killing prison guards to get out and rape and murder kids again?

Should Arthur Shawcross have gotten the death penalty when he raped and murdered two little kids? He got a single count of manslaughter for both murders and was paroled after serving his time. When the police next caught up to him he had murdered about a dozen hookers.

>>15883431
Westley Allan Dodd, raped and murdered three kids, and was caught in the process of kidnapping his 4th victim, who he built a torture rack for and planned to castrate. He told the police and the courts that he'd do anything to rape and kill again and had previously molested over 70 children, only to keep catching breaks from the system each and every time he was arrested. Dodd's third victim he hanged in his closet and masturbated and took pictures watching the child strangle to death. He even documented in his journal that the boy peed on himself as it was happening, describing watching his chest heave heavily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHXS7GToJ-Y

Please abstain from taking the thread too much to western.

I think, criticism of >>15883431 applies when it's cycles of revenge, like in many wars. But I think it's a bit different when it comes to capital punishment (which I don't even support).

>>15883353
Good job, btw. It's good to see some kind of translation on these letters.

>>15883402
My assumption is that "she" made up that story to explain why some of the bones inside the box didn't turn out to belong to Mari, as it was in the initial forensic results. Both of the letters are essentially just Miyazaki trying to cover up his own mistakes while keeping his true identity hidden.

https://youtu.be/5Tq28TN6pCQ?t=5m21s

>>15883525
I haven't been able to read any books on him since they're in Japanese, but from what I can tell from using google translate, it seems to me to be because the dental expert they relied on had stated that the teeth didn't appear to be Mari's, citing I believe that there was a permanent tooth in with the teeth, and Mari was only 4. Therefore Miyazaki came up with a story to explain that away. But they later confirmed that it was Mari.

Somebody who knows Japanese can probably clarify the matter.

>>15883536
I saw this and wish it had subtitles. The music from A nightmare on Elm Street in the background was a nice touch.

>>15883437
Sorry, I'm not really a /co/ kind of person.

>>15883442
>>15883452
You know, we have courts and whole systems dedicated to dispensing justice especifically to avoid your kind of mentality, where someone just has to say "yo dood, that guys is totes a pedo xD" and you'll go and hack them apart with a saw in front of their and/or your family and/or friends while laughing like a madman, and then proceed to pat yourself in the back, a job well done.

If the justice system does not work like you want it to, you complain at the justice system, you do not grab your mask, cape and gun and start shooting everyone that may be a criminal because their shorts are 2cm too short.

>>15883551
Oh, I just posted it because I was trying to find that TV reenactement of the ratmen that I read on the other site, but here's a summary of the video if it helps.
Basically, the special covers the issue of Miyazaki's supposed split personality. Based on his psychiatric examination, it proposes that 4 different personalities live inside of him:
- the normal Miyazaki
- the feminine personality that manifests itself as Imada Yuuko on the letters to Mari's parents. Since it comes and goes in a flash he has no cognition of the passage of time when he is in that state of trance. As proof of it, they show a piece of the first letter where he says he expected to find Mari's body still stiff and cold when he returned to the murder place, but was surprised that it had turned to bare bones already.
- the impulsize killer one, that snaps off without warning
- the cool-headed personality that watches the murder passively from the back of his mind, when Miyazaki returns to himself after the murder he has no first hand recollection of the event, hence why he blames it on those "ratmen"
Then the program shifts to talking about real life cases of multiple personalities, a psychiatrist (the one supporting Miyazaki's split personality theory) reveals these disorders are always caused by childhood trauma and parent abuse. Then they show some lines from Miyazaki's psychiatric log, talking about his arm malformation and family alienation (when he heard of his father's suicide while in prison, he said to be relieved and that it was his just punishment).
Another psychiatrist interviewed by the program however believes Miyazaki was faking it in order to avoid criminal liability and got the idea from reading psychology books during detention.
The program seems to have aired in 1998 or 1999. It's still interesting to see how his otaku interests are rarely mentioned in all of these specials, if any at all, despite what the English articles about him would suggest.

>>15885292
Complete and utter bullshit in my opinion. Kenneth Bianchi (one half of the Hillside Stranglers) tried to ride the wave of hype of this fucking pseudoscience in the 80's with no results so considering that it wasn't until a decade later I'm not surprised that Miyazaki had it shut down in his face.

he's got hiro's egyptian nose

>>15855704
Calling him the "Otaku Killer" makes it sound like Anno and Miyazaki finally snapped and decided to start killing otaku during the night

He's even called Miyazaki too so maybe there's a conspiracy theory to be made here

>>15883227
Harsher punishments don't deter crime. The mideval world had some very harsh punishments for some very minor crimes but there were still loads of criminals.

>>15885351
Well it says the other psychiatrists thought he was faking it. Shows how poorly we understand these and it's being very subjective.

There are of course the things like amnesia, depersonalization, dissociative disorder and psychosis... that the human mind seems capable off. But Miyazaki definitely seemed to act it out, like a bad actor too.

>>15883424
>It's not about what the killer wants, it's about what the victim's family would want.
That image is pretty perfect for illustrating that you're basically advocating for mob rule.

>>15885351
>Kenneth Bianchi
There needs to be some sort of ultimate punishment aside from the death penalty for guys like these. Limb mutilation? Facial disfiguring? Tar and feathering?

I mean Jesus. It's obvious that the death penalty doesn't deincentivize murders of this capacity enough. Who cares if it's "inhumane". They weren't human to begin with if they're capable of committing this crude and basal acts.

>>15885704
The deterrence factor is only effective for those who are already deterred by other factors (they wouldn't commit such acts anyway).

>>15885704

>>15885433

>>15885717
>>15885726
real life psycho pass when?

>>15855704
He could fuck 13 year old girls legally (in theory, at least).
Sickos never have enough...

>>15885844
He couldn't fuck any girls legally. Prostitution is (technically but not really enforced) illegal in Japan.

>>15885859
Not every 13 wanting to have sex is a prostitute.
He probably would find a girl if he wanted.

>>15885889
Slutty 13-yos can and will find a hotter and cooler guy to fuck.

>>15885889
I want a 13 year old but that doesn't help me at all.

>>15885844
how could he legally??

>>15885928
Age of consent is 13 in Nippon.

>>15885951
this is how it should be in the whole world.

>>15885951
Not true on prefecture level.

But I'm not sure if it was different in Miyazaki's time. The child porn law came in 1999.

>>15870254
What is the point of that bridge? For crossing the street?

>>15885977
>For crossing the street?

Of course not, silly. It's used in movies for cool duel scenes, never heard of it?

>>15885977
Pedestrian crossing, yes

>>15870466
>http://std2g.web.fc2.com/shiryou/list.html
>lord or the jungle tarzan
lmao

Pretty ok taste though considering the time period

When he's out?

>>15855704
AFFECTED not effected

>>15886552
Arigato sensei!

>>15886405
he's dead.

>>15873245
I dunno, Gilles did have a thing for the more handsome boys, but he did mostly take pleasure in their horror, butchering, debauching, and deaths.
Probably something to do with crushing the innocence of what all have deemed precious.

I want to be the youkai in that forest when she got scared.

I liked reading this entire thread. Well, most of it.

>>15885909

>inb4 FBI

>>15885239
>You know, we have courts and whole systems dedicated to dispensing justice especifically to avoid your kind of mentality, where someone just has to say "yo dood, that guys is totes a pedo xD" and you'll go and hack them apart with a saw in front of their and/or your family and/or friends while laughing like a madman, and then proceed to pat yourself in the back, a job well done.

>If the justice system does not work like you want it to, you complain at the justice system, you do not grab your mask, cape and gun and start shooting everyone that may be a criminal because their shorts are 2cm too short.

Are you a teenager or just autistic? I'd like to know what I'm dealing with here?

>>15885433
>Harsher punishments don't deter crime.

Except that they do, it was demonstrated for a fact when the death penalty was abolished in the US on for the murder rate to soar. A study on the murder rates found that when there was a death penalty the murder rate did change. There will always been someone who is deterred by the death penalty.

>The mideval world had some very harsh punishments for some very minor crimes but there were still loads of criminals.

Gee, it didn't work in a time without forensic science, cell phones, mass communications, and no modern criminal justice system, and with little hope of solving a crime or catching a killer without witnesses or a confession-- stop the presses!

>>15885446
Those are protestors at the execution of a serial killer, made up of family and friends of a murdered 4 year old who was raped and tortured to death by the serial killer. They're there because there's people like yourself saying he shouldn't be executed and whining and sobbing about it.

>>15885717
You have no way of backing up that claim. Study after study has shown the deterrence effect of capital punishment and demonstrated that more often than not a killer will try and negotiate a plea deal rather than face the death penalty.

>>15885704
>It's obvious that the death penalty doesn't deincentivize murders of this capacity enough.

The reason it doesn't deter enough, is that there are people whining about the death penalty being unhumane, and thus not allowing it to work, by purposely making it take over 20 years to carry out an execution, then using this as proof that the death penalty doesn't stop murderers from killing people. And more often than not a killer will die of natural causes on death row in the US, than from being executed. In California, the death penalty is more symbolic, as they don't execute any of their death row inmates. And if you don't even execute those who are convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death, where's the deterrence? It's basically a life sentence.

Can we get more stuff like this translated as well?

http://www.maroon.dti.ne.jp/knight999/miyazaki.htm

It'd be good to get as much detail and information translated on the murders as possible.

>>15856117
the guy was caught shoving a telephoto lens up a middle schooler's vagina, there's not a lot to fabricate, and there's really not benefit to trying to stage the search and seizure on his apartment considering what led to it. Some otaku just insist on trying to make themselves martyrs. There were also horror films in that stack of VHS along with the anime, but you don't see the horror film community getting all up in arms about it. Otaku were already a fringe group and they got hyper defensive about the association, that's all.

>>15889156
Exactly. People who commit crimes of this degree should be burned alive or crucified. These methods were employed by the Romans, and worked quite well to deter tragedies of this sort.

Just reading these descriptions of how they were murdered causes anger to well-up within me. I would've gladly pulled the rope to end this subhuman nigger's life if given the chance. Fucking scum.

>>15890275
>worked quite well

I don't believe that for an instant. Even when ignoring the fact that those were shittier times.

>>15889116
>Except that they do, it was demonstrated for a fact when the death penalty was abolished in the US on for the murder rate to soar.
Ok, first of all, the death penalty has not been abolished in the US, only in certain states.

Second, you're not even right. The murder rate never "soared":
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#nat1970
>For 2014, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty states was 4.7, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.8

Murder rates have been falling across most of the US, and are on average lower in states that don't have the death penalty. I realize this doesn't prove anything about the (in)effectiveness of the death penalty in deterring crime, but it does disprove your claim that the murder rate "soared".

As far as yanks are concerned, 88% of their criminologists don't believe that death penalty works as a deterrent
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/files/DeterrenceStudy2009.pdf
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/6064
They've got a lot of studies regarding the subject on that site.

What I think is that people who commit these kind of crimes either don't care about self-preservation or simply don't take the punishment into consideration.
Cruel punishments would only serve to sate the lust for revenge for some vindictive individuals

>>15890342
>What I think is that people who commit these kind of crimes either don't care about self-preservation or simply don't take the punishment into consideration.
>Cruel punishments would only serve to sate the lust for revenge for some vindictive individuals

Exactly. Not many people commit a crime with the expectation of being caught. It's either done in a fit of rage/passion without thinking of the consequences, or they think they can cover their trail well enough.

No one sick enough to kill people in the way the Miyazaki did is going to be thinking rationally about their future.

>>15889120
>Those are protestors at the execution of a serial killer, made up of family and friends of a murdered 4 year old who was raped and tortured to death by the serial killer.
That's what I said: a mob.

>>15889091
Curious you'd mention that, I'm having the same doubts about you. The fact that you have no argument and aren't even attempting to cover the fact that you just want to murder people while telling OTHER people that THEY have problems doesn't make things any easier on my end, you know!

Are there any photos of what his deformed hands looked like?

>>15890488
They don't look deformed in any of the photos. The bones inside just aren't separated, but it looks normal on the outside. Google radioulnar synostosis, that's what he had. He still could twist the wrists to 45 degrees anyway.

>>15890517
Gotcha. Some of the media I read on the case before made it sound like they looked visibly disfigured which resulted in terrible bullying from classmates. Sensationalism I guess.

>>15890533
It's actually that Miyazaki himself tried to overplay his disability at the court hearings to explain why he murdered Ayako, pretending he acted impulsively.
He said that her supposed remark about his wrists reminded him of the bullying he received at school. However, all his old classmates that were called to testify denied it. Miyazaki could swim, play baseball and do mountain climbing without problem, based on their testimonies, and only had trouble eating with a spoon. For one thing, he couldn't have even used the door handle of his car, if he had such a degree of disability that he claimed.
More about it here:
http://std2g.web.fc2.com/syougai/syougai.html

>>15890337
>Ok, first of all, the death penalty has not been abolished in the US, only in certain states.

Are you a millennial, foreign? It was abolished in the 1970's and then re-instated. If you're a child you're too young to know about such things.

During the 1970's when there was no death penalty, the murder rate was shown to have markedly increased. This is often known as the golden age of the serial killer in the US, as many serial killers were active during this period and often had large body counts of over 20 to 30 victims. This was the period in time that the term was invented as a result of Ted Bundy.

>For 2014, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty states was 4.7, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.8

What is population density and size. The state of Texas is biggern than many of those liberal non-death penalty states. And this does not treat states such as California which have the death penalty but don't carry it out as non-death penalty states. Nor does it factor in the years it takes to carry out a single execution in many of those states; imposed by anti-death penalty activists to try and render capital punishment in-effective. So, people like yourself can google and quote from random websites instead of doing any actual research into the subject.

>>15890342
>As far as yanks are concerned, 88% of their criminologists don't believe that death penalty works as a deterrent

Only using one source for their information. Good going Muhammad. How many American Criminal Justice text books have you read? Have you read Practical Homicide Investigation? How about Sexual Homicide? Pic related is just a handful sitting on my laptop.

>What I think is that people who commit these kind of crimes either don't care about self-preservation or simply don't take the punishment into consideration.

Except that you're not a cop; detective, prosecutor, or criminal profiler and can't make such claims. What about Tommy Lynn Sells, who cried and apologized for his countless rapes and child murders and then tried to have himself listed as mentally retarded in order to avoid the death penalty? What about Ted Bundy trying to cut deals all the way up until moments before he was strapped into the electric chair? You're actually making a claim that consequences don't deter some criminals.

>Cruel punishments would only serve to sate the lust for revenge for some vindictive individuals

You're being very pro-pedophile child murderer here Muhammad. You're more worried about if serial child murderers and torturers suffer rather than their victims and families and possible future victims.