/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>15833157
All right, favorite Umineko composer?

-45 for me, definitely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfs33v0Xb60

Most epic shit ever.

>>15833230
-45 is amazing, he does the best music for fight scenes or when shit gets real. But you can't talk about Umineko music without mentioning dai. He's the best for melancholy or even happier tunes. Hope is still one of my favourites of the entire OST. And Towering Cloud in Summer is a great, relaxing bit of music to listen to while looking out the window into the sunny afternoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ys5bBjjs5c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZd41NMBM4s

>>15833230
Xaki, preholder, dai

TRi torrent when?

>>15833271
zts is fucking awesome too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNl4PNFubvQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM-Stt5Yq6o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXv-h5WIMms

And yes dai too. I don't know, pretty much everyone who did music for Umineko did a really good job. But I still like -45 's epic stuff. They are the most memorable ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0GJ012P370

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZfHLaYkIg8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyf0S9LshI8

>>15833304
>I don't know, pretty much everyone who did music for Umineko did a really good job.
Seriously. The OST is fucking phenomenal and everybody did their bit.
I think zts' work is the most known. He provided the basic 8-minute "shit goes down" music for each individual episode and the scenes they play in are extremely memorable. But I agree on you for -45's work. The music just has a really distinct sound, church organs and everything, and they always play during amazing scenes and have a good, fast tempo that gets you pumped.
Seriously, I'm one of those people that consider Umineko a masterpiece, but the music is just fucking incredible as well and really adds to the experience.

>>15833382
>Seriously, I'm one of those people that consider Umineko a masterpiece
Disgusting.

>>15833396
It's a deconstruction of the mystery genre and should be admired and praised simply for the sheer attempt at telling such a story. It is not perfect, but it is a masterpiece. I wouldn't call it literature though, it's a step behind that at the very least.

>>15833417
Not him but I agree with him. If there's no Bernkastel spanking, it can't be good.

>>15833496
I'm sure one day you will write a deconstruction of the erotica genre that will be admired and praised justly. With lots of Bernkastel spanking. In the meantime, that is not what Umineko is about. Now one could argue that it is what Umineko SHOULD be about but, but I would very much take the opposite point of view on that subject. Though I agree Bernkastel is very spankable.

>>15833532
But if you write a deconstruction of something, then it's no longer something.

Those 58 CGs for Steam Umineko in the .arc archive. Are they going to be used? I would really like to see some of those in the scenes.

If ALIVE isn't played at Erika's death, then when the fuck is it played? I was sure it was Erika's death, but no.

>>15833532
>Though I agree Bernkastel is very spankable
IT'S SPREADING

>>15833562
Why would you buy VNs on steam?

>>15833566
To support the creators I love, and maybe, just maybe, get the chance to keep the VN translations from them coming up. You know, the obvious stuff.

>>15833562
Huh? But isn't Steam Umineko only the question arc?

>>15833564
Chick Beato's death.

>>15833570
I remember when Recettear came out on Steam. Everyone was like : "Oh noo, the weeaboo are invading, Steam will become xXXILOVEJAPANXXx".

>>15833571
Yup, but there are CGs for all of the episodes.

Manga Gamer really prepared themselves well with this release.

>>15833570
Why not buy from a place that doesn't jew the creator then? 7th expansion barely gets anything from steam sales you know?

beato

>>15833546
You're talking about literally deconstructing something, as in a building. Deconstruction in the literature or even philosophical sense means something else entirely. Examples of deconstruction in Umineko are the meta discussions. In fact if you look up the definition of literature deconstruction you'll find it pertains to bringing in questions things like certainty, truth and identity.
Ryu-chan knew what he was doing, and it was a heavy task. But I'd say he pulled it off.

>>15833574
She dies? I though she awoke or something.

>>15833582
Maybe 07th Expansion doesn't but Manga Gamer does, and a lot. Guess who is responsible for the translations coming up as for now and that teamed up with probably the best fan-translators out there right now (Witch Hunt).

>>15833588
Hi Klashikari.

>>15833587
She disappeared if I remember right. Then the elder Beato awakened or they fused or some shit like that. Anyway, ALIVE is related to Beatrice. I am sure of that.

>>15833599
Alright, so what https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPkKuKc4-2I ?
It's still Erika and Battler's marriage theme, right?

There really are some fantastic CGs in here.

Implementation in-game when, Manga Gamer?

>>15833608
>that floating skirt
Not exactly fantastic to be honest famalam

>>15833603
Yes, correct.

>>15833564
https://youtu.be/lMtwO9PfiIY?t=6m44s
It's probably in more scenes as well, but I can't remember

>>15833608
Battler's face really bugs me in this version.

He just looks fucking evil.

>>15833615
>Battler's leg is touching it

Not even floating, dude. Don't nitpick the seacats draws

>>15833620
Time for a threesome.

>>15833620
This one seems better imo

>>15833635
That is a big improvement, at least he doesn't look like fucking B.Battler here.

Not that there's anything wrong with him, but Battler really shouldn't be looking like that, especially in such scenes

What does Dlanor do when her illegal drugs don't have the right colour?
Dye the meth.

Which mythical beast haunts Kinzo's nightmares?
COCKATRIIIIICEEEE!!!

What does Kyrie do when she's having trouble surfing because the surfboard's the wrong way up?
Turn the surfboard over.

>>15833670
-9999/10

What did Natsuhi say when Krauss asked her what she was having for breakfast?
"My grains."

What's Battler's favourite snack?
Tiny bonbons.

What did Nanjo say when his boss told him he was fired from his job as a road worker?
"It would be a shame to end a life of working on roads after having paved so many."

>>15833718

>>15833670
>>15833718
Keep 'em comin'

What were Kinzo's last words as he was electrocuted in his bath?
OH, HAIR DRYER!

What does Kinzo scream when his car breaks down and he gets out to see what has happened to it?
OH, FLAT TIRE!!

What does Kinzo say when he gets carol singers at his door around Christmas?
OH, A CHOIR!

>>15833781

When the Owls Cry torrent when

When the Humans Cry torrent when?

Also, wasn't there some kind of sci-fi WTC that was announced a while ago?

http://natalie.mu/comic/news/201533

I finished Umineko yesterday. I have no idea how to feel about it. I think it might be too meta for me. I went in thinking it was a mystery story and ended up with a story about mysteries.

I feel like I need more closure with it but at the same time I know it goes against what the entire thing was trying to say. I wish I could have read it as it was being translated, I imagine it was one hell of a ride.

>that scene in episode 6 with Eva-Beatrice fighting George

Fuck, I just wanted to read some Umineko, I didn't expect these feels...
That really hit too close to home, I could relate to a lot of George's experiences.

Especially when Eva-Beatrice says
>"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."
A teacher said that to my parents about me during a parent-teacher conference too word-to-word exactly.

>>15834187
>goes against what the entire thing was trying to say

Not really, I saw it as "find your own closure and move on", not really as to dismiss finding closure in anything at all. I think most of the answers become a lot more clearer if you re-read the VN, but if you don't want to, the manga version of Eps 7&8 make it a lot clearer on exactly what went down on Rokkenjima Prime and the gameboards.

>>15834209
I'll probably pick it up if that's the case. The lack of clarity with it is probably simultaneously my favourite and least favourite thing with it. I think I'm just happy he had the balls to not spell it out for the reader, but at the same time I like getting the cheat sheet to see how on or off the mark I was.

When who Beatrice was and her backstory finally clicked I was pretty shocked, it's so weird and taboo. Thinking about it, I'm not sure I want the cheat sheet on that cause I bet it'll end up being more fucked up than what's in my head at the moment.

>>15834272
What annoys me with Yasu's backstory is that Ryukishi feels obligated to tell that "he had need only a wife could satisfy".
And then he decides it's not obvious enough and shove it in your face that KINZO PUT HIS P0N0S IN HIS DAUGHTER'S VAG0N0.

>>15834413
Thinking about it, the Beatrice that followed Rosa and fell down the cliff seemed remarkably well adjusted for someone who got fucked by her own father and gave birth to some incest baby. Is this the power of being sheltered? Or is it just another truth that was dressed up by one of the gameboards?

[]Give tape and save pride
[]Don't give tape and be a coward
[]???!!!

>>15834624
[x]???!!!

>>15834719
>mfw reading Tri

Will we ever get anything close to Seacats and Higurashi?

>>15834828
Didn't mean to quote

>>15833588
...then why don't you buy it from MG's website?

I keep saying this, but R07 needs a donate button.

>>15834953
That's a great idea. I'd have donated from time to time. It would also be nice for Ryu-chan to see he's got fans all over the world who want him to do well.

>>15834449
She was extremely innocent. She never left the mansion.
Inbred doesn't necessarily means Hill Have Eyes level of insanity. Except for Kinzo fucking her and never leaving the mansion, Beatrice II was well-adjusted.

>>15836019
Yeah, I guess if you were that innocent to the world you wouldn't understand the implications of sleeping with your own father. I guess Beatrice III was insane cause she was exposed to the outside, and realised how screwed up her origins really were.

>>15836088
Well, Beatrice II suspected it (according to some flashbacks), but she never realized how bad it was. Beatrice III fully realizes it, and I think it's why she'd rather be Shkanon than Yasu.

>>15834828
Better or worse than Iwaihime?

>>15836165
I'd like something like the manga Ghost Hunt, to be honest. It's your average ghost story, except it's treated like a mystery investigation rather than a shitty "oh noes, zombie goast are making faces".
Each case has a specific story, each one is a tragedy. Sometimes it's a mother who lost her daughter, sometimes it's a kid who lost himself and died, sometimes it's a man who's afraid of dying. There's always a story.

>>15836025
>>15836108
The spanking fanatic finally decided to go after the poor little Rika. After repeating he liked her.

>>15836216
Well, Rika is mostly benevolent, but she's still a dirty little manipulator. I totally imagine her ready to put some really embarassing punishment in the club's punishment bag.

>>15836390
Yeah, but the club activities and punishment games are generally all in good fun. There's no real malicious intent.

>>15836019
A friend of mine who just started reading Umineko pointed out to me that since her personality was described as a childs, in all those years living in Kuwadorian she should have been able to try and escape the mansion at least once because Rosa easily got in and out within the first hour, so Beatrice should have known about how to exit her cage.
"But wait," I said "she was told there were wolves patrolling around and probably scared."
Kids are naturally curious and if you tell them to not do something, they'll do exactly that. When little, Krauss wanted to pet the wolves, so Kinzo had to change the story. So in a sense the fact that she's never been outside her cage is a little bit off.

>>15836465
The wolf story worked on the girls though at first didn't it?
Why shouldn't it have worked on beatrice.
There are always multiple groups, she was alone and trusted kinzo enough to be scared of wolfs outside.

>>15836432
Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of Keiichi in female swimsuit having to fight the principal.

But I'd like to see Rika's face when she pulls her own punishment from the bag, and it's something like "the loser get spanked by the winner".
Rika having genuine feelings is cute. Most of the time, she's just pretending. I like when she's really laughing or surprised by things she sees.

Umineko ruined my life.

Muv-luv saved my life.

>>15836505
Really? Both had bittersweet endings, But personally I think Muv-luv's was more of a downer.

>>15836521
What's Muv-Luv even about? I tried to read it once after finding a torrent, it was extremely confusing because the main character knew what would happen and the world was completey done for.

>>15836528
Sounds like you read the sequel, Alternative. You should read Muv-Luv first

>>15836528
power through muv luv extra first.

>>15836549
I couldn't find Muv-Luv anywhere. Through I heard it was released on Steam, but I hesitate on picking it. Since it seems the release aren't out yet. Better get them all at the same time instead of waiting.

Any cute loli to spank in these games anyway?

Beato.

>>15836559
>I couldn't find Muv-Luv anywhere
http://www.mofumoe.org/content/muv-luv

>>15836559
There's one and she's okay. The series is more about cowtits, lacrosse, japanese nationalism, and military infodumps.

>>15836593
>japanese nationalism
All interest lost.

>>15836593
I fucking love military infodumps

>>15836597
That's mostly just one story arc.

>>15836599
I was neutral about them. I didn't dislike them, but they didn't really appeal to me either. That's probably why I never got into any of the spinoffs.

>>15836647
After RGD and Gates, I'm pretty tired of the "JAPANESE ARE STRONK" bullshit.

>>15836659
>After RGD

Were we reading the same thing?

>>15836702
Retarded nationalism and constant whining about how japanese are martyred in their own country?

>>15836708
You mean constant attempt at nationalism only to be shown how the Japanese sell off their own culture and they themselves are to blame for it?

>>15836713
I duon't know what you read but that wasn't RGD.

>>15836717
Pretty sure it was m8.

>>15836718
You read a novel that was called "m8"?

No scans for Hotarubi vol. 1?

>>15836786
Not yet. Amazon has a digital version if you want to buy it though

>>15834953
Why do you want him to beg for money?

>>15836834
No TRi torrent yet?

NO.

Voglio lanciare Bernkastel in una vita di spanking senza fine e tormento.

>>15833157
>Which was your favourite scene in Higurashi?
Ironically, it was in the anime. The first arc's ending, when Keiichi tells everything to the cop, and then you start hearing weirds sounds, and he asks "M. Keiichi, you're not tearing your own throat out, are you?"
>Which was your favourite puzzle in Umineko?
Beatrice II and the hidden mansion.

>>15837258
You do realize that your actually making the odds of it getting a torrent worse by nagging about it so so incessantly, right? The idea of a Trianthology torrent is turning into a joke thanks to you.

>>15837553
>implying it wasn't already one
Check OP.

any one know how extract cgs, bgm, sprites, etc from iwaihime?

changing the theme...
any one know how extract cgs, bgm, sprites, etc from iwaihime?

Daily dose of "I hate Bernkastel".

Ok ok ok, I got one. This is a good one.
So.

What do you call Rosa when she murders a goat with a golden ingot?
A goldenslaughterer.

>>15837553
Why do you keep replying to what by now is obvious bait?

>>15837744
Are you sure this is better than my desires to inflict pain and humilation to Bernkastel's buttocks?

>>15837765
What do you call it when you're spanking Bernkastel but she makes a very harsh comment to you that makes you feel bad?
A BURNkastel!

>>15837808
I should've seen that one coming from a mile away.

owls torrent when

http://pastebin.com/s4PXuRYn

MASSACRE OF THE GOLDEN WITCH - Chapter 4: Ushiromiya Kinzo

...With bullying, loli rape, incest, plot-twist cliff hanger and etc...

>>15838221
>bullying
>loli rape
>incest
Be careful, you're going deeper and deeper in /d/ territory.

>>15838239
It isn't for the sake of putting in sex scenes, it is for the sake of the story...or so I think.

Anyway, bullying is a constant theme in Umineko. Rape is just an extended form of bullying in my works.

>>15838362
Just tone it down, and you'll get in trouble just for posting links. And it makes the story a bit less enjoyable. You try, I dunno, to suggest things. I think it's called "getting crap past the radar" or something.

>>15838389
>you'll get in trouble just for posting links. And it makes the story a bit less enjoyable

Then I guess you are right. It's not like I am obsessed with those scenes anyway. There are many ways to bully someone - fortunately.

>>15838389
>and you'll get in trouble just for posting links

No he won't. It's a pastebin relevant to the thread topic. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it rule breaking. He labels whether they are nsfw, and it's only text regardless.

>>15838433
Yes he will. Posting NSFW is against the rules, and just because you like it doesn't mean the janny will.

>>15838484
The janitor is not going to delete a fucking topic relevant pastebin you retard. The text is not being posted directly on this site and if you think fapfiction is something new here you yourself are new. 4chan is not a sfw site. Boards are designated sfw to stop porn and topical derailment and to allow for basic safe viewing.

>>15838494
>you retard
Oh, so you can't argue without resorting to namecalling.
How typical from kindergarten kids. Now go read the rules.

>>15838389
>you'll get in trouble just for posting links
No, you won't. You can even link real hentai and nothing will happen

https://exhentai.org/g/643882/d2bc1ba1fd/

>>15838516
Fine, let's check it.

>posting sad panda

How long until the posts are erased, usually?

>>15838533
They won't be because they aren't breaking rules, but good job earning yourself a ban.

>>15838538
And why would I get banned exactly? Disagreeing with you isn't an offense, no matter how much you'd like it.

>>15838551
Sending out false reports generally results in a warning or a ban.

>>15838520
Just check the archives yourself. None of these posts are deleted

>>/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=exhentai

>>15838221
I finished reading it.
I'm sorry, but I skipped the scene with Rosa, and probably a lot of bunch too. I'm afraid to say that nobody will miss Krauss when he'll kick the bucket.

>>15838583
You mean the scene on the beach or everything related to Rosa?

>I'm afraid to say that nobody will miss Krauss when he'll kick the bucket.
I like Krauss....

>>15838596
Hmm.. Probably a lot of them. I may have skipped directly to the meeting.

>>15838599
Because if you only want to skip the sex scene it just a small part. I would recommend at least reading the first part of Rosa's story and the last part of it - which takes place after the sex scene.

>the meeting
You mean the adults talking about stuff? There is a scene before that on the beach with the cousins talking about Rokkenjima and shit, though I guess that is nothing new.

>>15837624
I don't know anything about Iwaihime's files, but if they're anything like Umineko's then NSAout should work.

>>15838616
I'll probably read it, but later, okay?
Right now is not a good time to read what may not be safe for work.

And what's the deal with Kinzo/Battler?

>>15838694
Secret...but basically it has to do with Battler taking up his name and being the successor...complicated...His hatred for Rudolf plays a part in it too.

And to tell something...we will have a new character appearing soon.

>>15838754
A new, new character, or a character from the meta level brought in the gameboard?

Will Erika appear? Will Bernkastel get spanked again? Or maybe it's Erika who'll get spanked? And why is Battler the true successor? Did Kinzo did something to Kyrie? Having two wives and a daughter-wife wasn't enough? Does Kinzo know that Rudolf played meeni-meeni-miny-mo with the babies? Does Beatrice exists? Is Lambdadelta still playing the game or has she started nibbling on Bern's fingers? Is Beatrice wondering who locked in his study where he keeps the board? Is Bernkastel shitposting on /tg/, as Rokkenjima is basically the witch equivalent of a D&D game? Can a sparrow carry a coconut from Africa all the way to England?

>>15838772
Erika will be Battler's fiancee.
No.
If she's alone with Kyrie, stuff may happen.
Because.
No.
Yes.
No.
Yes.
Still playing.
She's busy with Battler.
Sometimes.
Depends how it's holding it.

>>15838772
I don't want to say too much but the character will appear alongside Beato in fantasy scenes and is another witch.

>Will Erika appear?
I have played with the idea but as of now...I don't think so.

>Will Bernkastel get spanked again?
In this story not but Lambda will own her.

>And why is Battler the true successor? Did Kinzo did something to Kyrie? Having two wives and a daughter-wife wasn't enough?

Disappointment with the others. Kinzo hated Battler too but not as much as the others.

>Does Beatrice exists?
.......Without love............

>>15838831
There isn't a lot of witches, but since this is Bern's game, I have a pretty good idea of who will appear.
So the novelist is in, huh?

>>15838842
You mean Featherine? No. It will be a new character, one who didn't appear in the original series.

>>15838874
Well that's a bit of a disappointment. And a point of fear too, because original characters are...

>>15838889
Don't worry, I know how it is when introducing a new character. But this character will be only a side character, no meta presence...only appears in fantasy scenes on the game board, carrying out twilights and etc.

>>15838903
Just a servant, then.

>>15838915
Same level as Beatrice so she is a witch - but a piece. Brought into the game board by Bernkastel....prepare for burgers and trolling.

>>15838930
At least I can hate Bernkastel and take solace in the fact she got spanked and will get spanked even more once I master the courage to start writing too.
Krauss in your story is so unpleasant I just want to dance on his grave.

>>15838943
Bernkastel will get to new levels of trolling by bringing said new character into the story. She will need more than a spanking.

>Krauss in your story is so unpleasant I just want to dance on his grave.
Is he? Is there anyone who isn't an asshole in the story?

>>15838968
Ange.

And Battler so far.

>>15838974
You left out Bernkastel.

I am curious if you will say that about Battler after the next chapter.

And about Ange...I first wanted to have the scene on the beach with the cousins + Shannon end up in all 4 of them bullying Shannon for a small mistake. But I left out the idea since it was too much bullying.

>>15838994
Bernkastel is by very definition an asshole, since she engineered the game.

>>15839002
They are just pieces man...Bern just likes to play games. Give the poor girl a break. She is a friendless shut-in who spends all her free time trolling others. She is a miserable being.

>>15839024
Even through Bernkastel has no influence on the pieces before they all entered Rokkenjima (at least if I got the rules right), she's still to blame for everything that will happen here.

>>15838221
>Want fun mysteries
>Get loli incest rape and beatings

Fug

>>15839078
Well, the mysteries will be soon. If you can't be bothered, here is what happened so far:
>the new game is Bernkastel's, with Lambdadelta playing the detective
>Battler refused to go the meeting, while Ange could
>Kyrie is a possessive psycho (really)
>Krauss beat pretty much all the other siblings when they were kids
>and I mean a physical beating, not a video game beating like I used to give my older brother, that maggot is still salty about the boxing minigame in Ape Escape
>Rudolf and Eva used to fuck Lannister-style which raises questions about George
>Krauss made Rosa lick his shoes and some other unpleasant stuff I couldn't bear reading, sorry
>Jessica and Kanon aren't in a relationship
>Shannon and George aren't either
>Battler is Kinzo for some still indetermined reason
There's not a lot of love in that game.

>>15839092
Who looks at Umineko and thinks it needs more incest though

>>15839131
G.R. Martin, I guess.
But then again, that guy probably looks at Higurashi and decides that Mion and Shion should totally fuck each others.

>>15839131
Tomaru Sawagoe

>>15839092
is this the same one with that fed the spanking guy with the basically-a-bdsm-sex-scene?

because this is turning out REALLY shitty.

>>15839201
It's just the introduction, it'll get better once the murders start.

Do one of you seacats have the picture of Rosa fighting Ryu, with her telling him to stop throwing that "Haduuuuken"? i really need it

This is great. Deeply depressing even with the crazy twists at the end of each story. Makes me feel ill inside.

>>15839336
1st chapter is absolutely brütal

>>15837049
>beg
I want him to allow people to support him directly without paying the middle man

>>15839065
To voyager witches like her, the pieces on the game board are just like characters in a story. What she's doing is really no different from writing a fanfiction. You're asking her to have sympathy for fictional characters.

If you think about it, Lambda is the one that's strange, reading a book and getting so attached to the characters that she was willing to put herself at risk for them.

>>15839616
Get the fuck outta here Bern

Vote for
[]Bern
[]Lambda
[]Kinzo
[]elect a new candidate

Conservative or liberal?

>>15837351
angelo pls

>>15839322

>>15839166
underrated post

>>15839616
Except fanfictions are written precisely because you love the characters. Fanfiction I read that were written out of hate are extremely rare. Good fanfictions too, but that's something else.

The last one I remember was about Reimu Hakurei because thrown in the Sanzu River by Komachi and having her soul devoured.

>>15840240
you're a lifesaver

>>15839336
I find it weird that I related more with the fucked up characters than the bullied characters.

>>15839936
>Conservative or liberal
Qué? Which one is left-wing and which one is righ-wing?

>>15840631
>Conservatism as a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization.
>Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Whereas classical liberalism emphasises the role of liberty, social liberalism stresses the importance of equality.
Are we talking american or japanese traditional social institutions?

There's question arc on manga gamer site but how could I buy core arc? Could you guy give me some advice?

>>15840853
Either you wait, or you buy the Japanese version and get the fantranslation.

I want to spank Bernkastel.

>>15834192
The part that hit really close for me was each time bullying was brought up. I've been bullied a lot when I was a kid, but never to the extent you see in Ryukishi's games.
And that pisses me off, because I feel like I'm not allowed to complain since I had it relatively easy. Sure, I never had any friends and I got expelled twice for "picking fights" (actually answering to bullying with ultraviolence) and I'm still bitter about everything.

>>15841155
Heh, you don't want to complain, you just want to brag.

>>15841351
No, I want to complain. I want to call everyone a faggot. I want to spit my hate.

>>15839078
Mysteries are fun and all but alone they aren't enough. I want to present a full story this time.

>>15839201
Is it really? Oh well, I welcome any comment and thought on my stuff.

Though I guess I will need to tone down the porn stuff....

>>15839092
>>15839228
Nice to see someone who trusts me and is confident that my work will be good.

>>15841402
One of my rules is that as long as it isn't shit, well, it isn't shit. Wait until you have it in front of you to know if it's bad or not. For now, you have my confidence because your mysteries have been fun so far.
But yeah, try to tone the porn down. I know it sounds hypocritical after making so many spanking requests, but if you intend on making a mystery, don't put things that will distract from said mystery. Wait for the conclusion or put them in interludes.

>>15841419
Yeah, I will try to put on an entertaining show. I will try to make the fantasy scenes decent too.

Little correction on your previous post
>Krauss made Rosa lick his shoes and some other unpleasant stuff I couldn't bear reading, sorry

It was Rudolf, actually. Was it so disturbing? Hehe.

>>15841389
Exactly. Or maybe you think your suffering is not really worth listening because it's boring.

>>15841419
There is no rule against porn, just love.
And with rape, there is never any love.

My suggestion is that more rape should be added.

>>15841471
Rudolf too?
Man, blood's gonna spill like crazy once the shit starts hitting the fan.
At any rate, I suggest either waiting for the end to put the porn, or put it in interlude, seperated from the main story.

But I doubt you can really do it, since in your story, the porn is part of the story and part of the characters. It's not like the Tea Party where Bernkastel only get spanked at the end.

So yeah, I dunno. Ultimately, it's your decision, so do whatever feels natural to you. If you have to force, if it doesn't come naturally, that means you're probably writing wrong.

>>15841476
>My suggestion is that more rape should be added.

Hmmm......

>>15841496
Well, Rudolf bullied and raped Rosa, Krauss had nothing to do with that scene. I only described him beating Rudolf previously.

I will think about the whole porn thing....I don't plan on putting in any after the murders start.

>>15841708
That reminds me, I wanted to write a story where Bernkastel is in the game as a pawn and get spanked in every twilight.
I should definitely give it a more serious though and try to find a way to implements the spankings in the story without it feeling too forced.

I'll obviously fail but I'd like to try anyway.

>>15838624
Really no, the files of iwaihime is in .cpk, so NSaout dont work for them

>>15842055
Well I've never worked with that filetype, and I don't have access to the files so I can't experiment. There's not much I can really do for now. Sorry.

>>15840445
Aren't most of the characters two sided? Bullied but also bullies.

>>15843069
We already said it earlier. Umineko is all about the circle of bullying.
Kinzo was manipulated during his entire chilhood and never had a say in a anything. Then he got forcefully married to a wife he never loved, and got kids he hated. The only woman he loved died, making him a bitter husk lashing out at his own kids.
Said kids ended up picking on each others, and then picking on their own kids. Kinzo is responsable for Maria getting beaten up by Rosa.
It's a bit similar with the witches : Featherine is bored, so she picks on Bernkastel, who bullies Erika, who bullies Beatrice, who bullies Battler.

Umineko is all about bullying and being bullied. You think Krauss is a bully? You forgot that Kinzo probably beat the crap out of him with a wooden sword. You think Eva is overbearing? She was treated like shit by Kinzo despite being way better than Krauss. You think Natsuhi is a bitch for throwing Lion down a cliff? She was accepted in a very traditional family, was put under a LOT of pressure, was mocked by Eva for not being able to have a child, and finally Kinzo, the revered head of the family, stepped down and ordered her to take care of an unknown baby, basically saying that, for the Ushiromiya family, Natsuhi was a failure of a wife.
Not to mention the whole "being an outsider". No matter how much she tries, Natsuhi isn't an Ushiromiya.

>>15843069
I've been the bully who's been bullied, so I understand both sides.

>>15843289
It's about how people deal with being bullied

>>15841708
>Hmmm......
It's the obviously conclusion.

Van Dine 3rd
>There must be no love interest. The business in hand is to bring a criminal to the bar of justice, not to bring a lovelorn couple to the hymeneal altar.
But there is no rule where the detective can't rape the culprit or throw that person to be ravaged by a pack of dogs as punishment.

Although what would be cool is if you incorporate a sex scene into the overall story. Have it relevant. Like in Umineko, Eva has sex with her husband in ep 1. That was relevant storywise and theme wise. Just having a sex scene for no good reason is boring. It's the reason why Ryukishi doesn't add ero scenes in his VN, he says it breaks the flow of the story.

>>15843428
I can't remember if it was Bernkastel or George who said it but a person who's been bullied is the harshest bully because he knows the feeling of humiliation and does not want to be bullied again.

I think it was Bernkastel who explained it as such but George says something similar when he's ''teasing'' Shannon at the beginning of ep 2.

>>15843289
So basically everything is Cain's fault right? Can't always blame others for cunty behavior. Kinzo was a bitter cunt but that doesn't justify Krauss also being a dick and so on.

>>15843462

>>15843462

>>15843745
I never implied otherwise.
If the detective has to have sex, it would be preferable if it were rape since it doesn't involve love.

>>15843581
Yeah, it never really justifies it, but it helps to know where they are coming from in order to understand their actions.

>>15843581
It's always justified. When a bullied person gets the opportunity to bully, they always do it.
The cycle of bullying never ends unless a person stops it when it starts.

>>15844338
Except for Maria.
Despite being beaten up by Rosa, she manages to stay positive. She's our hero.

Rika is cute. Way cuter than that kitty Bernkastel.

>>15843871
I want the detective to be Erika.

>>15843871
And it would have to be in the butt.

>>15844668
Maria deserved it though.
>retard
>never learning
>a hero

>>15845096
How are you supposed to learn when the parent teaching you is just as retarded?

>>15845116
By not acting retarded, obviously.

>>15845002
When has she ever not been the detective in her heart

>>15845131
When she didn't exist.

>>15845121
Oh yeah, she should have learned from Rosa's example and started beating all the other kids at school.

>>15845151
Obviously. That's the best solution.

Which episode of the manga has the worst art?

>>15845218
Ep 1.

>>15845218
Ep 2.

>>15845218
Ep 3.

I'm reading Umineko for the third time (once VN, twice manga)
I'm blown away by the parallels of Battler/Ange/Erika and their bitter non-believing in magic and Battler/Ange's character development in accepting the unknown and trusting, learning to see the love and magic in the world.
Really powerful stuff.
Any particular parts of the writing that hits y'all?

>>15845218
Ep 4.

>>15845221
This

>>15845218
Ep 5.

>>15845218
Higanbana

>>15845240
The first time that I realized that Battler ep6 was essentially Kinzo my mind was blown.

>>15845290
Seriously! His estrangement from the family and escapism is so fitting.

>>15845218
Ep 6.

>>15845218
Ep 7.

TRi torrent?

>>15845218
Ep 8.

>>15845221
>>15845225
>>15845235
>>15845241
>>15845274
>>15845304
>>15845335
>>15845458
I'm glad we're all in agreement.

>>15841862
Trying never hurts. I know what I write myself is shit-tier fanfiction but I like the process of thinking up new situations and everything. It is fun.

>>15845522
Not like I can't write. But I just wonder if it's something I should post here or in a spanking thread.

>>15845240
The part where Maria talks about risk and how roses are beautiful because life requires risk and die.

It completely represents my dualistic view of idealism and realism. For example, let's say I give you two roses. One is a normal rose in bloom. The other is a perfectly crafted plastic rose. Which rose would you pick?

The answer depends on the person but most people would select the real rose because it's alive and smells good. The plastic rose can have some added things that give off artificial smells but it wouldn't compared to the real rose.
When you look from far away, both the real rose and fake rose look identical. However, it's when you look up close that you notice differences. The real rose is imperfect, it has torns or one of its petals is broken. The fake rose however is perfect. but it'll never match the beauty of the real rose. What people want is for the real rose to be as perfect as the perfect idealized rose but it never happens. There some instances when a real rose is as beautiful as a fake rose but those are worshiped as the greatest of what roses can be, it's just that people want all roses to be that perfect and all the time. So when you do snatch a rose from the ground, it's perfect, smells perfect, looks perfect and is perfect.

But unlike a fake rose, a real rose will die. It will grow old over time, there is a risk that a wind might push it away or the entire soil randomly goes bad. So you have to enjoy the rose blooming while you can for as long as you can, and cherish those memories as the rose dies and you can no longer smell its perfume.

But you can just put fake perfect roses in your house and yard and not give a single fuck.

>>15845537
I think it depends on just how much you incorporate it into the story.

>>15845240

>Any particular parts of the writing that hits y'all?

Honestly I don't remember any. And I like Umineko and everything but I can't remember any scenes that hit me hard emotionally.

But if we are talking about best and most memorable scenes then it would have to be

>ep1 first twilight

>ep1 tea party - my all time favorite

>ep 3 Rudolf/Kyrie vs stakes

>ep4 George and Jessica vs Ronove and Gaap + Tea Party and ???

>ep5 Trial

>ep7 Tea Party

>>15845240
I'd say Beatrice's first appearance in the Tea Party. She's really classy and all. A shame it's quickly ruined as she shows her true face.

Otherwise, I want to see Erika's death, but it turns out I remembered it wrong. Mandela effect or whatever.

>>15845627
Probably really badly.

>>15845796
Speaking about stories, I won't finish Massacre of The Golden Witch. I got bored of making game boards and writing stuff and I pretty much used all my tricks already. I would rather solve someone else's game now.

>>15845807
What a shame.

>>15845811
I had pretty much one or two good ideas but I can't make a story from them. So yeah.

>>15845820
Look like I'll have to take over then.
What a shaaaaame.

Allright, who wants a quick game, and who wants a real episode?
Quick game means the usual "people die when they are killed". Real episode means all the other crap around it.

>>15845830
I vote for a quick game. Or not so quick but you get it.

>>15845240
>>15845240
The only part that really made me cry was when Rosa broke sakutaro in front of Maria, it reminded me of my childhood in a way.

>>15845869
Alchemist sprites are too moe. Maria should be obscene to the eye!

>>15845837
I can't really shove spanking in a quick game, but whatever. Let's do it.

Since I don't know which one is better, I'm using both a post and an image.
The characters are Krauss, Natsuhi, Jessica, Eva, Hideyoshi, George, Rudolf, Kyrie, Battler, Rosa, Maria, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, Genji, Kumasawa, Erika, and Bernkastel. Erika is the detective. Kinzo is dead, burned, buried and everyone know that.

On the first twilight, died Jessica, Maria, Hideyoshi, Kyrie, Gohda, Kumasawa. They were shot. Most of them were still sitting, meaning they were taken by surprise.

On the second twilight, died Genji and Natsuhi. Genji was stabbed several times with a kitchen knife, Natsuhi fell from a window. It is impossible to say which one because the body rolled, but it's clear she fell head first, from the second floor.

On the third twilight, died Eva and Georges. They were shot while guarding Hideyoshi's body. Georges cried like a little bitch while being alone near his father's deceased body.

On the fourth twilight, died Nanjo. He had a heart attack, locked himself in his room to recover, but was smothered by a pillow.

On the fifth twilight, sixth, seventh and eigth twilights, nothing happened.

On the ninth twilight, upon trying to recover food from the main mansion, Shannon was killed. Rudolf and Battler came back to report the murder. No details were given. Later inspection proved that she was stabbed several times. No defensive wounds.

On the tenth twilight, it is decided to evacuate the island. An argument between Rudolf, Battler, Kanon and Rosa leads to Kanon shooting and killin Rudolf, and heavily wounding Battler, who falls unconcious and cannot do anything else for the rest of the game.

On the eleventh twilight, the main mansion explodes. Rosa, Battler, Kanon, Erika and Bernkastel escaped.

>>15845915
And now for some more details : all the informations given there were recovered after they escaped. In other words, if it's mentioned, then someone figured it out or witnessed it.
No details about Shannon's death will be given until the others murders are resolved. Battler will not speak, even to the police.


Unless I fucked something up big time, you CAN resolve the game, it's really not complicated. No key trick, not locked rooms. I whipped that out in two minutes, you can resolve it in two minutes.

>>15845915
Were there any bodies that weren't examined by Erika or only later examined by her besides Shannon?

>>15845939
/red/ Rudolf's body wasn't examined, but there was no way he could've survived Kanon's shot.

>>15845942
Where were the bodies found?

>Genji and Natsuhi 2nd twilight
>Krauss not mentioned

犯人！

>>15845956
Jessica, Maria, Hideyoshi, Kyrie, Gohda, Kumasawa died in the dining hall.
Since it's intended for family meeting, it's soundproof.

Genji was found in a corridor on the first floor.
Natsuhi's body was found in the rose garden. It's sure she rolled from wherever she fell.

Eva and Georges were killed in front of the dining room in the main house after Erika said it was better to not move the bodies too much and Eva slapped her in the face and said she was going to sit him to make sure it wouldn't be defiled.

Nanjo was found in a guest room in the main mansion.

Shannon was found dead in the kitchen in the middle of a pool of blood.

Rudolf's body was covered with his jacket and abandoned in the guesthourse when everyone left. It was the only body that could be recovered and buried.

>>15845964
Oh shit, I completely forgot Krauss.
Okay, change of plan, Krauss isn't on the island, he's busy somewhere in Korea for a business trip. He's irrelevant to the game.

>>15845983
I am not in the mood to ask for reds so I will be on the offensive.

/BLUE/ Since Battler and Rudolf were the ones who came back and reported Shannon's death, it is obvious they were the ones who killed her.

>>15846012
/red/ This is correct.

Also, I forgot to say it, but everything said in >>15845983 is to be considered red.

>say I'm not going to answer anything about Shannon until all the other twilights are solved
>proceed to answer immediately
Jesus, I should just stop everything and come back tomorrow once I actually slept.

>>15846013

So they are murderers.

/BLUE/ Rudolf and Battler killed everyone because they found the hidden gold.

>>15846020
Hehe, I forgot about that.

>>15846032
Wrong.

>>15846035

/BLUE/ Kyrie faked her own death since Battler and Rudolf are culprits, this is logical. She killed Eva and George.

>>15846045
Wrong.

Consider all of these /red/. I'm too demoralized to put it every time.

>>15846049

/BLUE/ There are multiple culprits. Eva and George helped Hideyoshi take fake his death. They then faked their own ones.

>>15846056
Yep. No. No.

The solution is simpler than that.

>>15846063

How about this?

/BLUE/ Battler and Rudolf killed Shannon because they realized that she was the one who killed everyone previously.

>>15846075
I won't answer that. Is what I want to say, but whatever. Correct.

>>15846084
So what? Shannon went Yasu mode like usual but failed midway?

/BLUE/ Kanon was Shannon's accomplice that is why he shot Rudolf.

>>15846092
/red/ Partially correct.

>>15846095

/BLUE/ Shannon's motive for murder has nothing to do with Battler.

>>15846111
That is correct.

>>15846119

/BLUE/ Shannon or Kanon or both of them found the hidden gold. They wanted to kill all of the family members to get their hands on the money.

>>15846127
Overly simplified, but correct. There's also love and jealousy mixed.

>>15846130
Love and jealousy? Butt Shannon didn't kill because of Battler...hmmm.....

/BLUE/ Shannon loved George but Kanon loved Shannon. Eva and George were killed by Kanon.

>>15846149
Wrong.

>>15846159

/BLUE/ Kanon loved Jessica but Shannon loved Kanon.

/BLUE/ Kanon loved Battler but Shannon loved Kanon.

>>15846170
Both of these are partially true.

Oh yeah, /red/.

>>15846172
So I guess that leaves us with.

/Blue/ Shannon loved Kanon but he loved person X.

>>15846184
Partially wrong too.

/red/ Kanon and Shannon love each others.

>>15846188

/BLUE/ Shannon and Kanon love each other but they fear that the other is cheating on them. This jealousy led to murder.

>>15846197
Give me a better theory instead of just spouting a few lines.

>>15846200
/BLUE/ Shannon and Kanon love each other. They get sick of the Ushiromiya family and one day find the hidden gold. They agree that they will kill everyone during the conference. Shannon carries out the first twilight - her main target was Jessica, she was afraid that Jessica would go after Kanon's dick.

/BLUE/ They killed Natsuhi and Genji together at the same time.

/BLUE/ Kanon killed Eva and George - main target of Kanon was George because he was afraid George might hit on Shannon.

/BLUE/ Nanjo went to the guest room and Shannon killed him.

/BLUE/ Rudolf and Battler realized that Shannon was a murderer and killed her.

/BLUE/ Kanon then in a rage kills Rudolf and injures Battler.

>>15846232
They love each other, indeed, but Jessica wasn't the main target.

Wrong. Genji was killed on the first floor and Natsuhi fell from the second floor.

Wrong. George was killed just because he was there.

True.

Wrong.

Wrong.

>>15846254
/BLUE/ Kanon killed Genji and Shannon pushed Natsuhi out of the window.

/BLUE/ Battler and Rudolf killed because they wanted the gold.

>>15846268
True.

Wrong.

The solution is really simple. Way simpler than what you think.

>>15846269

/BLUE/ Shannon cheated on Kanon with Rudolf. Her main target was Kyrie at the 1st Twilight. And this is why Kanon kills Rudolf.

>>15846281
What the fuck.

/red/ Rudolf's death was a consequence of Shannon's death, but he was not "murdered".
The shoot out occured in front of everyone.

>>15846283
All right. I don't know what jealousy has to do with the motive. Hurry up and give me the answer.

>>15845869
Get off this thread you Italian faglord

>>15845937
What a half-arsed game. You even seem proud of the fact that you whipped it out in two minutes. I miss the earlier games that had some thought put into them and had the whole thread trying to win the game. This seems like something you made up quickly to have fun for half an hour before bed.

>>15846415
...Didn't he say that's what it is?

>>15846415
I don't think he meant that proudly....he just stated this would be a half assed game from the beginning.

Anyway, which games did you enjoy the most from the previous threads?

>>15846498
I enjoyed the recent one with Gohda as the culprit, although it did drag on a bit. But there was a good puzzle in there. The one where Kinzo murdered everyone was pretty good too, and I think that was done by the same guy who's doing this one so I know he can do it.

But most of the games this guy puts out aren't that good. You know it's the same guy because he keeps typing Georges for some unknown reason. I guess I'm coming across as quite rude and I don't really mean to be, I just think a game board should be thought through thoroughly. It's something to savour over time as people try to work out what's going on in the game. Not just "14 people died who did it". To each their own though I guess.

>>15846537
I guess we are starting to burn out, though. People just get bored of these games and less people reply to them. As less and less people reply, the game makers will think it is useless to put too much effort into the work and they make lazy games.

Maybe we need to have a break or I don't know.

>It's something to savour over time as people try to work out what's going on in the game. Not just "14 people died who did it".

I get what you mean but we are kind of limited in threads. If you write a long ass wall of text then most people will just ignore it. We are forced to keep things short and basic.

>>15846605
>I guess we are starting to burn out
I think that's exactly it. I think they're good fun, but maybe we should leave the game boards for a week or two. It really shouldn't be a daily thing and it sure as hell shouldn't be a "eh, I've got half an hour to kill"-thing.

>>15846605
You can have a good mystery without a wall of text. The Gohda game and the Kinzo game had relatively short answers/backstory.

But yeah, maybe we should find something else to entertain ourselves with and put the boards on ice for a bit.

>>15846632
That and I also left out that there aren't that much tricks to begin with. All games have the typical somebody faked his/her death, "locked rooms" that can be solved with the same 4 or 5 methods, etc. At first the mystery genre seems like it has infinite possibilities....or maybe I should say it really has but most of those possibilities are over-used and cliched.

>>15846655
That's why you move on to riddles or you make your mysteries stupidly tangled in lies and truths that it becomes unsolvable

>>15846668
That feels really cheap to me.

I guess I will stick to fantasy.

>>15846655
The problem here lies in that the mystery genre is not suited for internet forums. What makes a mystery good is the story surrounding the locked rooms and riddles, and having to find the clues within the written text. A throwaway line might provide the clue that solves the whole mystery.
Just posting a list of people who die and where they're found doesn't really leave room for the feeling of a good mystery. You're missing the build-up, the clues, the character interactions, the red herrings, everything that makes a mystery work.

seacats.net does gameboards better anyway. why are we using this thread for them again?

>>15846689
>The problem here lies in that the mystery genre is not suited for internet forums.

I guess you are right. Mystery is mystery because you need to notice the relevant and correct information. What we do here is basically infodumping each other to hell and back. It is too fast paced and quite lifeless. A mystery should be comfy.

>>15846703
That is exactly why I used this thread for them. I am not confident in my works to post them on a board for veteran mystery and riddle fans. I like to play with people on my level.

>>15846703
Because this is home for the bored seacats that can't move on to anything new

do you think Kinzo still has a libido?

>>15846306
Kanon and Shannon are jealous that the Ushiromiya are a family. That's why the first murders are extremely brutal, because they're together. When one is alone, he's usually less brutal. They ganged up on Genji and that's why he was stabbed, but Kanon killed NAtsuhi and Nanjo alone, so the murders are less violents.
When Shannon tried to kill Rudolf, it backfired because of Battler and she was killed by them in retaliation for trying to kill them and killing Kyrie earlier.
After hearing of Shannon's death, Kanon wanted to stay put, but Rudolf provoked him.
Kanon retaliated and killed Rudolf, while Rosa tried to protect him by shooting Battler.

The fact that Battler was just wounded while Rudolf was killed was supposed to be a hint on the fact that Kanon knew how to use a gun.

>>15846605
No, that would've been better if I just gave it more time. I tried to make something immediately and the result is an half-baked game.

>>15846689
Pretty much this. If we make a quick game and that I say that Battler knows Kyrie is his mother, you'll know it will be relevant in the game. If I have a full game and put it in a conversation, you'll probably miss it or think it's not important.

>>15846668
Games supposed to be solvable, otherwise what's the point?

>>15846632
We should definitely impose a limitation on games and only allow the ones that are actually complete.
But then again, I'm the one posting incomplete games to begin with, so I have no excuse.

>>15846605
Yes, this is a problem too. Having to keep things short otherwise people will skip them. In my games, I try to have a pattern behind the murders, while Kinzo growing more and more cunning while Kanon and Shannon are considerably less violent when they're separated.
Maybe if I go with traps that are uncovered, leading to brutal deaths...

>>15846860
>Games supposed to be solvable, otherwise what's the point?
Ryukishi's game is so tangled up that without the answer arcs you can come up with a billion different valid answers.

>>15846728
Do you think he doesn't?

>>15846870
Ryukishi can afford it because he makes several episodes. We're limited to one episode who definitely should be solvable on its own.

>>15846901
I like to think he does. Whichever way you look at it, his personal study is like a horny teenager's haven. No one can come in unless he explicitly lets them. He's got a bed, a desk, a poster of a hot blonde and even a fucking bathroom. I bet he sacrifices all day long.

>>15847013
>He's got a bed, a desk, a poster of a hot blonde and even a fucking bathroom.
Don't forget his large collection of "grimoires."

What do you guys think about Umineko pairings?

I was looking for some delicious EVA and I found quite a lot of her but most of it were

>Amakusa X Random Girl
>Battler X Random Person
>Jessica X Kanon

I kind of understand Battler since he is the main guy but what about Amakusa? Literally barely appears in the whole serues and yet he is crazy popular.

I was also surprised to see some Natsuhi x Battler. ....Who comes up with these? Not that I dislike it....

>>15847096
Because Amakusa kicks ass. Heroes are popular.

>>15847099
Did he even do anything besides looking cool? He seems like a waste of character to me.

>>15847096
why do people do this?
like if there's no implied love between them why would you think to do something like this
it makes no sense

although to be fair I really wanted yokoi and seki to get together in seki-kun

>>15847084
Sounds like the ultimate retirement life to me. All the fap material and alcohol I want, and all the privacy of a spacious study, bedroom and bathroom. When I'm bored I'd shout "YAKAMASHI!!!" at my disappointment of a family and return to my grimoires.
When you think about it, Kinzo is the ultimate NEET. He just sits in his study doing whatever the fuck he wants and his family can't give him shit because HE'S actually the one paying the fucking bills.

>>15847102
His biggest contribution to the story is killing Ange, who naturally became the most popular person to ship him with. He's about as important as Kasumi and Okonogi.

Anyone here remembers the umine.co website?

When Chiru got released, some special pictures came with the deluxe edition or something, I remember a lewd Erika image and an image of Will in a sofa with Diana, his cat

how can we retrieve this stuff from oblivion

>>15847099
>>15847102
He's Akasaka, motherfucka. He's cool as shit so he deserves to fuck whichever chick he wants.

>>15847130
I don't really get shipping in that sense though. I get the cool character or main character being shipped with hot girls but pairings like Krauss and Kyrie or Kinzo and Kumasawa just makes no sense.

I am a full supporter of Kinzo x Nanjo though. They had a vast friendship, some might even call it love. Fuck, does someone have the Nanjo fight scene, it had some lines about that I think. I keep forgetting to save it.

>>15847170
>He's Akasaka, motherfucka.
He's nowhere near that cool. He only looks cool.

>>15847166
Internet Wayback Archive?

>>15847161
Yeah so I remembered right. He is an overrated character.

>>15847170
>Krauss and Kyrie

It is based on ep4. They have a quite a chemistry between them. When I first read ep4 I was like "Wow Kyrie, your husband got fucking killed back in the dining hall and now you are flirting with his brother?...Wow"

>Kinzo and Kumasawa
This kind of makes sense too. Kumasawa knows Kinzo well and knows his secrets....But Kinzo likes younger girls,though...

Now compare those to that useless Amakusa who literally does nothing worthwhile during the whole thing getting paired with everyone...

>>15847096
>What do you guys think about Umineko pairings?

I think it's only natural in a series where love is such a major theme.

MC X every female character is pretty normal for shipping. Though it's strange that there's very little shipping with the adult couples.

>I was also surprised to see some Natsuhi x Battler. ....Who comes up with these?
People who want to fuck Natsuhi but don't like Krauss.

>>15847179
Yeah, I misread Amakusa as Akasaka.
But Akasaka is hands-down the coolest motherfucka in WTC. In fact, When They Cry, it's probably because Akasaka came and punched the shit out of them.

>>15847188
Kinzo and Kumasawa is just people trying to pair Kinzo in a non-rapey way and just picking the only woman near his age. There's no chemistry there.

Kyrie sort of works with everybody because she's a psychotic bitch but ultimately she loves Rudolf and has been through hell and back to be with him so pairing her up with anyone else is ridiculous in my view.

>>15847204
>People who want to fuck Natsuhi but don't like Krauss.
That's exactly it. They like Natsuhi, but they don't want to self-insert into the bloated idiot that is Krauss so they use the MC, Battler.

>>15847204
>wanting to fuck Natsuhi
>wanting to fuck a good for nothing whore

What is wrong with you? Do you like AIDS or something?

>>15846728
Where do you think Rudolf got his endless horniness?
Why do you think Kinzo created an elaborate orphanage system that makes very young girls ''clean'' his mansion and then get a large amount of hush money?

>>15846689
>The problem here lies in that the mystery genre is not suited for internet forums
I disagree. The problem with mysteries on internet form is that they are low quality and have usually little thought to them or have bad structures. Or they rely on a wordplay gimmick more than a mystery puzzle because creating a puzzle is not as easy as it sounds.

I always thought that Umineko restrained itself in its blue/red truth battles. Like, despite Battler throwing a lot of blue truths, he never threw everything and the sink at witches. When I read When the Seacats Cry, that was exactly what I expected. The point of billions of blue truths flying is that you threw out every thought and everything you have at a witch, and if you still couldn't solve it, it meant you were truly defeated.

A good mystery is good because it's well structured but it ends with everything being wrapped up nicely by the detective at the end. You don't need to think, just enjoy the ride. And if you did think, it's alright because you likely didn't figure it out or something.
With internet mysteries, author interaction builds a lot of the hype and deductive ability so long as there is enough foreshadowing, red herrings and clues.

I agree that posting a list of people who die and where they're found isn't a good mystery. It's bare bones structure. There are no clues involved. You have to ask for them and then the author selectively tells you what happened which doesn't give a clear picture. This however is more of a failing of the author posting his mystery stories here rather than overall mysteries posted on the internet.

>>15847248
>Why do you think Kinzo created an elaborate orphanage system that makes very young girls ''clean'' his mansion and then get a large amount of hush money?
Ah shit, I never thought about that but it's extremely likely. He probably let the blondes and the voluptuous ones work in his mansion, scrubbing his hairy old grimoires. Poor Nanon, Renon, Hanon and Anon.

>>15847233
>he doesn't want to fuck Natsuhi and impregnate her, then see her act proud that she's finally given birth to another child

>>15847248
I'm more concerned about why all of Beatrice's female servants have sexy clothes showing their spankable butts.
I guess despite being a cripple, he does want to stick his dick in a butt.

>>15847233
Natsuhi is personally my least favorite of the aunts, but even then I'd fuck her. Plus according to these results she's got some of the best tits in a series full of huge jugs. That's got to count for something.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11171622
http://www.strawpoll.me/11170984

>>15847310
Lion definitely has something for butts.

>>15847291
With Irie's endless ramble about maids, it's obvious Ryukishi has a power and maid fetish. Kinzo's orphanage maid system is extremely elaborate where new girls come in and out at such a fast pace that you'd never get tired of them. And they only stay for 2-3 years, meaning Kinzo always gets new young blood and they keep rotating every day. The system is genius.

>>15847310
>I'm more concerned about why all of Beatrice's female servants have sexy clothes showing their spankable butts.
>spankable butts.
Every time. There's more to asses than just spanking.

>>15847288
>You don't need to think, just enjoy the ride. And if you did think, it's alright because you likely didn't figure it out or something.
You and I have very different opinions on how to enjoy a mystery then. For me it's all about thinking. Looking out for the clues, the red herrings. Scrutinizing every sentence the writer puts in front of me because anything could be either important or completely irrelevant to the main story or presented mysteries. A mystery is a game between author and reader. I'd even say it's a challenge laid down by the author, challenging their readers to figure it out.
Now, that doesn't mean that if I don't figure it out I end up disappointed. I can lose the game, that's fine. The author can out-smart me. But I would never go into a mystery just for the ride. There's a puzzle laid out in front of me and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let the detective explain it before I even try and attempt to get it.

>I'm more concerned about why all of Beatrice's female servants have sexy clothes
because ryukishi really really likes his Angel Mort costume

>>15847333
I never seem to solve a mystery correctly. Or I do but then think it's too silly and I end up being right without thinking and hate myself for figuring it out.

Why are gameboards such serious business for witches?

Why was Battler sent to hell because of an oversight in his board?

>>15847344
It's the perfect mix of maid uniform and school swimsuit.

>>15847371
what about even more swimsuit

>>15847369
You have to think of it from the perspective of a creator. A story/creation must make logical sense and everything must go together. That's just how things work.

>>15847371
10/10 would spank.

>>15847377
Kinda same, but it's Rika.

>>15847369
Because R07 wrote the story to be like that.

>>15847384
>Kinda same, but it's Rika.
nah there is a difference
they did explain in the VN that she wasn't endowed enough for the full thing so she wears a swimsuit over the top
this is the proper thing

>>15847377
The balance is thrown off. Rather than being a new outfit that combines the elements of the 2, it feels like a swimsuit with extra accessories.

>>15847390
I was talking about the "10/10 would spank" part. Rika isn't for spanking.

Which group of furniture has the best asses? Which group's uniform best accentuates their ass?

>>15847401
So you do have standards.

Is Umineko postmodern?
Is Umineko literature?

>>15847405

All right, now let's settle this once and for all.

How do you guys like to play Umineko and Higurashi?

I came to the conclusion that I prefer the original version of both. No voices and no fancy sprites. The voices are nice and all but I don't like to wait for them to finish what they are saying. As for the sprites, I think the originals are the most expressive ones.

>>15847408
Yes.
No.

>>15847417

>>15847430
Does someone have the edit of this?

>>15847408
Yes.
Yes.

>>15847427
The original is what I had the first time I played it, so it has some sentimental value, but the PS3 version has become the one I'm most familiar with. Is there ANYONE who's favorite is actually the steam version. I don't mind it personally, but it seems my opinion of it is fairly positive compared to most.

>>15847446
Which one? Odds I made the one you're thinking of, so I'll have it.

>>15847454
I have certainly seen at least one anon posting here about how the Steam sprites are the best. I think they are pretty meh...there are some good ones among them but overall very weak.

>>15847454
I feel like I should hate the steam sprites but for some reason they're kinda charming.

>>15847408
It is definitely a work of postmodern fiction.
Whether it's literature or not is a tough one though. It is definitely an example of an author trying his best to exceed beyond the boundaries of mystery fiction. There are enough points to be made for Umineko to be literature. However, it's the shounen fights that sort of "downgrade" the material. Even though it's got a lot to say on the definition of the genre, I'd be hard-pressed to find an academic who would call Umineko as a whole, literature. But it is pretty damn close and it is above and beyond most tripe that VNs usually contain.

>>15847463
Then obviously that's the one I'm referring to.
Could you post it?

>>15847496
>above and beyond most tripe that VNs usually contain.
Speaking of which, are there any VNs that would be considered literature?

>>15847496
>However, it's the shounen fights that sort of "downgrade" the material.
The mystery genre was already low brow. The fight scenes is basically all those bullshit unreliable narrative happening outside the vision of the detective that can never be trusted. So rather than have something be bullshit and unreliable, why not have an action scene? I find it genius.

>I'd be hard-pressed to find an academic who would call Umineko as a whole, literature.
You don't need a person of authority to determine the value of a work. All that does is give it ''credibility'' and nothing more.

Umineko is literature.
Does Umineko have literary merit? Does it properly convey themes and messages to its audience? Does it convey emotions?
I say yes to both.

>>15847496
>However, it's the shounen fights that sort of "downgrade" the material.
I don't think I would consider Umineko literature, but there are a lot of highly regarded works that have a lot of "lowbrow" stuff in them. It really just depends on how the author uses it. In umineko's case, I don't think the fights scenes downgrade the material at all, since oftentimes the fights had a larger point or purpose tied to them.

>>15847552
Higurashi.
The overall mystery structure of Higurashi is absolutely genius. The way the plot is structured to make the reader feel paranoid just like the characters is nothing short of genius. I personally view Higurashi as one of the greatest stories I've ever read.

>>15847556
The detective genre in general is low brow. It's overly saturated, mostly boring, and does have academics reading the garbage to find the diamonds. Having some unusual scene that people will feel alienated because it's anime (like at the beginning when Eva randomly does a roundhouse kick to show off how awesome she is).
There are a lot of moments like those but I feel it adds more to the overall experience because while they are low brow, they serve the plot and structure of the story.
It's low brow for the sake of low brow. It's not just random.

>>15847560
If you consider either Umineko or Higurashi to be literature then it should logical to consider the other to be literature too. They aren't that far away from each other regarding quality.

>>15847536
Sure thing. Is this the one you're thinking of?

>>15847595
Do you know any other edit of that same image?
Thanks.

I still think their legs are too insanely long.

>>15847430
Great. Now I want to spank the Siesta too.

>>15847427
Same. I usually read faster than they speak and unless the voices are really good, I never listen to them.

>>15847578
Higurashi is objectively better than Umineko.

>>15847556
>oftentimes the fights had a larger point or purpose tied to them.
That's a valid point actually.

>>15847554
>The fight scenes is basically all those bullshit unreliable narrative happening outside the vision of the detective that can never be trusted. So rather than have something be bullshit and unreliable, why not have an action scene? I find it genius.
Another great point. Umineko has a very postmodern approach to the unreliable narrator. In fact you could indeed see these fight scenes as something genius.

Good to see some discussion on the literary merits of Umineko
I`ll be a complete autist and ask my literature professor his opinion on the matter next week
As was said before, authority doesn´t determine value, but I´ll be interested to hear his opinion at least

>>15847578
I've argued that both Higurashi and Umineko have literary merit.

>>15847684
Adding the word objectively doesn't make your opinion true.

>>15847700
You're objectively wrong.

>>15847665
I don't know of any, but I could make one if you have something in mind.

>>15847712
Add spanking marks, please.

>>15847671
>Great. Now I want to spank the Siesta too.
Why? They've done nothing to deserve such punishment.

As a side, which Seista has the best ass?

>>15847722
You might as well adopt a fucking tripcode now mate

>>15847729
Murdering people isn't enough? Bad kids used to get spanked for throwing tantrum, and I daresay that killing someone might be a little worse than having a fit.

By the way, are the Siestas based on the rifles? Is that why one of them is dead?

>>15847738
They're based on Maria's bunny toys. One of them is dead because Rosa smashed it

Their names are based on the ammunition used in the rifles, and Chiester is (Win)chester with an I added

>>15847730
Stop giving it attention

>>15847747
I though they were Beatrice's servants, not Maria.

>>15847752
Stop answering to yourself.

>>15847738
They're just doing they're job. And it's not like those pieces aren't just going to come back to life again anyways. Hurting them just because you like their asses is just cruel.

>>15847797
So killing people is okay but bullying the bunnies isn't?

What strange standards.

>>15847722
Sorry, but I'd rather not. Abuse is a pretty big turn-off for me. You might as well be asking me to do scat.

>>15847823
But scat is gross.

>>15847823
Please stop giving attention to that spamming asshat

>>15847828
So is spanking.

>>15847837
Nah, spanking is good. Scat is about eating shit. Or something like that.

Or is it vore? I dunnoy.

What the fuck was that liquid Kinzo drank constantly, anyway?

>>15847729
Pretty much all the servants are awful in their own ways. Be the stakes or the siestas.

>>15848262
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

>>15848271
Was it ever specifically mentioned that it's absinthe? I can't remember that

>>15848322
Yeah genji had a spoon and everything.