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The music isn't bad, but I don't pay attention to them at all.

Babymetal is best metal. They could use some crunchier production but they've pretty much mastered the basics.

it's your usual idolcrap, nothing more

>>15820324
Not only listen to music, I like since it is possible to enjoy watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH46FYZNdWM

>>15820324
They are amazing at lives.

>>15820397
kinda, they don't do some stuff like variety shows on TV, handshake fan meetings, being om gravure magazines, they pretty much take care of their image strictly, outside of that, yeah they're like any other idol group with a pretty solid live show tho, that's why they're a thing in metal otherwise they will be bottled every other festival they go.

>>15820503
Amuse had way too much luck with these kids.

The only good metal band today

They're getting a little mainstream after their 2nd album. Prior to that no one really knew who they were so i'm not too thrilled about them as I was when their debut album released, which is better than the 2nd album.

Metal for babies
They suck

Well before Babymetal I wasn't listening to Japanese idol music. The trend that I have noticed is that the music is upbeat and has a positive message.

Babymetal takes the Japanese Idol music style and uses metal instead. So there is positive messages, singing, dancing, and metal music all mixed in together. I like it and had a chance to see them perform live.

Babymetal works on different levels and so many people like them for different reasons. I am glad that they have gained popularity and exposure. Who knows what the fox god has in store for them.

>>15820324
they went from just okay to fucking god awful garbage appealing to the worst kind of autist

all generic metal now. sad really.

now go back to the fucking general where you belong.

>>15820324
I think they should get the fuck out of /jp/.

I hate them
Can't wait for next show

>>15820324
I downloaded their first album and liked most of the songs, especially Megitsune. The PV for it was also excellent, and I enjoyed the aesthetics.

I never bothered checking out anything they released after that, or the general threads.

>>15821347
Same here, Babymetal was my stepping stone into Japanese music and /jp/. They're definitely special for the things they've done for me

They are ok.

>>15820324

I have to admit... I really like them. The main singer's voice is really good and these guys in white knows how to play their instruments.

>>15821312
They have hipsters already? Wow.

>>15820324
TO BE HONEST I just think Moametal should just be fuckin shit up, the others are boring

DA BESS

>>15827178
The Kami's are amazing, and best part is the fans genuinely appreciate them and know all their names as well and I think they appreciate that.

Su is perfect :3

Best thing since forever. Gonna go see them and Peppers in December.

>>15831723
what do you do when you have something perfect and then have something perfectist

>>15831732

Praise the Su

>>15831746
Su is a pretty cool guy, I like her. Moa approves t bh.

kitsune summer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK3NMZAUKGw

>>15831770

You adore and serve Moa, Moa adores and serves Su.

All paths lead to our goddess, Su :3

Moa4u

>>15831849

I only listen to bands that play their own instruments.

>>15831849

>>15820324
First album was innovative, second album is generic schlock.

I don't like how they're fake idols posing as a fake metal band.

Most of the girls are cute. The lead singer is pretty good.

>>15823377
I hate them too. I've already seen them three times and I go see them twice in Birmingham in december, for the purpose of hating them at shorter range.

>>15832785

Too much memestep in the first album. Second album has a better mix of catchy idol fun and metal.

>>15821312
>They're getting a little mainstream after their 2nd album. Prior to that no one really knew who they were so i'm not too thrilled about them as I was when their debut album released, which is better than the 2nd album.

Their debut is not better than their 2nd album and you're a retard.
The 2nd album had fewer standout hits, but it's a REAL album and not a compilation of attempts at finding a sound.
They're fucking all over the place on the first album and there is no consistency between it, no general sound, no coherency.
Their second album is a complete piece, it knows what it's trying to sound like and it's consistent.
Their 2nd album is better than their first in every way but the number of great standout songs.

>>15820324
I would thoroughly enjoy having a threesome with them
Just imagine that fuck

>>15833617

>>15832984
>>15833289

Second album is boring and safe whoa-rock, it's less pop, less metal and less genre-fusion.

>>15833759
So it's better and less lolsorandumb. Got it.

>>15833771
It's better if you're into generic rock, sure, but it blows as a metal or even a pop album. Go listen to Red Hot Chilli Peppers too since they're also generic rock and opening for their tour.

She said Babymetal is not metal
It is a new music genre
It is the baby metal.
And metal of Resistance

>>15833778
God, Babymetal fans are such butthurt bitches. The first album was okay, the second was better. Neither sounds generic at all.

>>15833797
You typically need more than one band in a genre for it to be a genre.


Besides, what they're doing is just nu-metal for millenial weebs.

>>15833771
I've been listening to Babymetal since 2013 and the first album is definitely superior. The second album took a really safe generic metal/rock sound. Understandable since it's more likely to get them into foreign festivals but boring compared to their early output.

>>15833804
>Neither sounds generic at all.

One of their overhyped single for the 2nd album that was released three times is literally just a Dragonforce song.

>>15833804
dude you're the only one here saying the second album is superior in every aspect and keep whining when people disagree
lol you're the butthurt bitch boi

>>15833617
>a threesome

Have you ever been so desperate and horny that you forgot how to count?

>>15833819
He never posted a picture of Moa

>>15833824
It's nice of him to respect Moa's purity then I suppose.

>>15833808
Sounding like Dragonforce isn't generic. It's sounding like Dragonforce.

>>15833815
I wasn't talking up the second album. I just joined in the convo, bitch. Babymetal mostly sucks anyway, but the second album is definitely better.

>>15833834
You keep telling yourself that shit taste having newfag

>>15833834
>Sounding like Dragonforce isn't generic. It's sounding like Dragonforce.

That's my point. Dragonforce is already generic speed metal in the first place, there's no need to have Babymetal sound like a generic band that sounds like generic speed metal.

>>15833834
Shit taste!

>>15833837
I first heard Babymetal when they debuted the morning song years ago, but I didn't care because I don't have shit taste. Who's the newfag?

>>15833891
You, I've been here since 2005
Now go fucking become an hero, Reddit generation faggot

>>15833891
>t. bonafide dad rocker

>>15833897
/jp/ didn't start until like 2008.

>>15833907
4chan you double nigger

>>15833912
Why would I care if you were jacking it on /b/ then?

>>15833924
>I'm a newfag

k
now fuck off

>>15833902
>he doesn't like my pop for babies so he must be old

>>15833935
Believe what you want if it makes you mad enough.

It's always funny to see fans so trolled by the success and mainstream acceptance of their band.

>>15833991
hehe

>>15833936
You don't have to be old to prefer dad rock over j-pop in an idol group, just have bad taste.

>>15833991
Most fans are really happy they've gotten this popular. Most fans want them to be the most popular thing in history.

>>15834000
Just because it's J-pop doesn't mean it's good J-pop.

>>15834025
sure, their original group Sakura Gakuin is better j-pop, and there are better j-pop idol groups out there - but not-good j-pop is still better than almost no j-pop at all that's replaced with buttrock.

All you idiots saying its buttrock and have stopped having fun in their songs clearly haven't listened to Awadama Fever or Yava! or GJ! all of those songs could've dit on the first album EASILY.

Sis Anger is heavy like Rondo on the first album.

Road of Resistance is the IDZ song of the 2nd album. Etc.

They haven't really changed aside from a adding a few different genres of metal into the album...

>>15834052
>These few songs from the second album are kind of like these songs from the first album

Which is why we're saying that the first album is better.

>adding a few different genres of metal

a few different genres of rock.

>>15834035
Idol pop suffers by default. If they keep doing J-metal/pop without pandering so much to idol fans, which is what it sounds like they're doing, and it gets positive attention, good for them. Bad for you. I don't give a shit beyond that.

>>15834077
>I don't give a shit beyond that.

That should have been your opening and closing line, really.

That's the thing with Babymetal's fanbase and those who prefer the 2nd album over their first. They're unable to just go "I don't care, I like it", they always have to argue a losing battle.

>>15834089
You again?

Is it always the same people that have to attack something they don't like? I don't get it. I ignore stuff I care nothing for.

>>15834089
I didn't know anything about that. I just find it funny watching a fanbase eat itself up like this because the band is becoming popular.

>>15834118
But that isn't happening at all, the fan base wants the girls to be successful as possible
>>15834006

>>15834064
I'm not arguing which album is better. I'm talking about the people who said they changed their sound or something, when they didn't really.

They've always had some songs that leaned more toward metal, and some songs that leaned towards j-pop with metal backing. Its always been a good mix. And while I feel the 2nd album itself leans slightly more to the metal side, its still fun and definitely not generic rock music in the slightest.

Some songs fall into both categories but here's how I see it..

>Fun Songs on the 1st Album:
Megitsune, Gimmie Chocolate, Iine!, Doki Doki Morning, Onedari Daisakusen, Song 4, Uki Uki Midnight, Catch Me If You Can, Headbanger!

>Fun Songs on the 2nd Album:
Awadama Fever, YAVA!, GJ!, Karate, Meta Taro, From Dusk Til Dawn(? I don't know where to put this desu)

>Metal/Serious Songs on the 1st Album:
BABYMETAL Death, Akatsuki, Catch Me If You Can, Rondo of Nightmare, Headbanger!, Ijime, Dame, Zettai, Road of Resistance(Newer edition comes with this)

>Metal/Serious Songs on the 2nd Album:
Road Of Resistance, Karate, Amore, Syncopation, Sis Anger, Tales of the Destinies, No Rain No Rainbow, The One

>>15834118
>>15834121

The album was extremely divisive within the fanbase. Some of us do want the girls, and the band, to be successful but not by turning into normie rock trash that panders to westerners.

Them being forced to collaborate with Dragonforce was the first mistake.

>>15834128
>I'm talking about the people who said they changed their sound or something

Tell that to literally all the reviewers and even people ITT who praised them for having such a much more "focused" and "mature" sound than the first album.

>>15834131
>The album was extremely divisive within the fanbase
By what measure??

A couple guys on /bmsg/? A large majority of fans love it.

>>15834137
I mean based on my own list, yes they leaned towards that more like I said.. but whats wrong with leaning towards being slightly more mature when they're getting older. Its not like they completely lost their sound or their fun, its still there.

>>15834131
>normie rock trash that panders to westerners
How? By having English in songs? That's pretty typical in the industry. The rest is all in Japanese and still culturally weird for westerners to get into.

>>15834140
>A large majority of fans love it.

Yeah all the newfags from Colbert and WWE and the React channel.

>>15834142
>whats wrong with leaning towards being slightly more mature when they're getting older

well

-They're still in their teens
-They have nothing to do with the song-writing process
-They're not in control of their own image
-Their defining sound was pop + metal
-They care about pop stars and idos, not metallica and dragonforce
-They've only been around as a proper band for two years and one album before the newest, so it's a little early to be jumping the shark with the "we're old now and mature now like some bands do after 15-20 years" album

>>15834128
and this post, I'm not going to autistically split hairs over every single song but at least

>CMIYC
>Serious song

It's a song about playing hide & seek while wearing red shoes, where they play hide & seek on stage as a dance routine.

>Karate
>Fun Songs

"whoa oh whoa oh whoa oh"

At least you managed to also put it in the "serious" category where it belongs.

>>15834143

By having English in songs, sure, and also cucking the Japanese metal scene which the producer said he want to help make popular again AND also sucking the Japanese idol scene, collaborating and touring only with Western bands, prioritizing European tours over Asian tours where they first started, etc.

>>15834162
>I'm not going to autistically
Too late.
>Yeah all the newfags from x and y and z
Boohoo! Popular!

>>15834162
>>A large majority of fans love it.
>Yeah all the newfags from Colbert and WWE and the React channel.
That's just plain false. You are in a tiny minority. And I say this as someone who prefers the first album. Stop the lies.

>>15834166
>sucking

*cucking

Their producer would wipe out Sakura Gakuin and all idol groups from existence if he could.

>>15834166
Bands in the Japanese metal scene also do English songs and tour in the west. But what the fuck do you know.

>>15834170
Are you saying that Babymetal's popularity didn't skyrocket after its western media exposure in 2014?

Where were all these people in 2013, 2012 and 2011?

>>15834171
Sounds like he has the right idea.

>>15834166
You really need to get over BM dude. You say the same shit all the time. Move on already.

>>15834172
They also tour with other Japanese bands and they tour in Asia, instead of just sucking Dragonforce's dick around England, and they're also real bands.

>>15834174
Of course not, what ass did you pull that out of from my comment?

>>15834176
>You say the same shit all the time.

Because it's true. All you can do is say "get over it dude move on bro" because I'm 100% right.

>>15834183
Where you said it was just plain false that React/Colbert/WWE brought in all the newfags that now make up the fanbase.

>>15834189
Of course you think you are right. No one thinks their opinion is wrong.

Now tell me why you can't just move on already and have to spew this shit everywhere all the time?

>>15834195
Um, I didn't?

Are you unaware of what you said in your own comment?

>>15834162
CMIYC is both fun and serious. Its fun but its also heavy as fuck and has a sick metal solo in the beginning of the live shows. Thats why its in both.

Karate is fun and serious as well, its heavy as hell but then the lyrics 'SEIYA SESESE SEIYA, etc' are all similiar to their 'fun' songs.

>>15834166
You realize they're trying to be more than just a Japanese group and thats why they're expanding Westerly right? They don't want to be stuck in Japan and only japan like 90% of the groups in Japan are.

Babymetal is more well known outside of Japan than Perfume, AKB48 and the like, despite those groups being arguably bigger in Japan.

>>15834181
Is not headlining your own solo show, stuck in the sweaty anus of Asia is really that enviable?

>>15833834
>Sounding like Dragonforce isn't generic. It's sounding like Dragonforce.

Dragonforce is actually shit. You might as well listen to Liquid Tension Experiment and Dream Theater too since you probably like music that's all musical masturbation without any substance at all.

>>15834204
>SEIYA SESESE SEIYA

annoying as shit, one of the worst uses of repetition in music, and that's supposed to be fun part.

>>15834239
I didn't say I liked them, autist.

>>15834131
>but not by turning into normie rock trash that panders to westerners.


How the fuck can the structure of Babymetal ever pander to Westerners?
Babymetal, by concept and design, can never be anything that parallels Western norms.

>>15834196
OP was asking what I thought about babymetal, I replied, then the insecure fans of the second album came out swinging.

>>15834258
Prepare for a storm of overused misused buzzwords

>>15834253
>SORE SORE SORE SORE SORE SORE SORE SORE SORE SORE SORE
JUST

>>15834263
Who is swinging? You seem the most angry out of anybody.

>>15834200

>>>A large majority of fans love it.
>>Yeah all the newfags from Colbert and WWE and the React channel.
>That's just plain false.


Maybe you didn't explain yourself properly, or didn't reply to the right post, or didn't quote the right text.


But as it is you're clearly saying that it's false, the majority of fans aren't newfags who came in through western media exposure.

>>15834267
Repeating one one word isn't as annoying as saying one word, repeating the first syllable of the word, and then repeating the word itself.

That's like what lazy rappers do when they try to fill in the rhythm but ran out of words.

>>15834286
>That's like what lazy rappers do when they try to fill in the rhythm but ran out of words.

Simon and Garfunkel use "lai da dai, lai da dai dai, lai da dai" in the song the Boxer.
Many artists use things like this to various effects.
It's not rap thing, it's not a laziness thing, it's a stylistic choice.

>>15834273
No, what I was saying is that saying only the new fans like it is bullshit.

And yes, that's false anyway.

>>15834263
The fanbase seems to be full of insecurity. You included.

>>15834269
What makes you think I'm angry?

I'm not the one saying things like

"what the fuck do you know, you're butthurt bitches, you're newfags" etc.

I'm just expressing my opinion of Babymetal.

>>15834302
But I just want to understand the logic behind spending so much time crusading against them

>>15834292
It's a poor and overused "stylistic" choice, as is going "lalala" and "whoa-oh"

but in defense of Simon and Garfunkel, they were doing it decades ago and it hadn't been run into the ground yet.

>>15834317
I'm not crusading against them, I'm defending myself from like 15 different insecure fans all at once.

>>15834326
>I'm not crusading against them
You aren't self-aware, are you

>>15834320
lol It was run into the ground centuries ago. Most people don't care because it sounds good. Some things just work.

>>15834326
If you were secure you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself on this anonymous Chinese pictograph board.

>>15834320
>It's a poor and overused "stylistic" choice

Yeah and go ahead and attack the use of power chords and the pentatonic scale while you're at it.
The only decent and legitimate music is non-conforming to any prior precedents and structures.

Keep trying to legitimize your opinions like they're anything more than "I don't enjoy this."

>>15834295
There's no way to prove that not just the new fans like it.

but the facts are
>post-2013 attracted legions of new fans who knew nothing of babymetal, and also nothing about metal or idol music
>they obviously like the first album
>new album comes out
>critics praise it for a different, more focused/mature/accessible/less chaotic sound
>Colbert and WWE exposure brings in even more fans.

I'm not saying that only new fans like the new album, but there definitely are older fans who are not a fan of their new style/direction/

>>15834326
>I'm defending myself from like 15 different insecure fans all at once.

Right, and they're all newfags with illegitimate opinions and the first album truly is the best and anyone disagreeing is insecure and can't handle the wicked sick redpill you're giving them right now.

>>15834349
>but there definitely are older fans who are not a fan of their new style/direction/
Of course, and they are the minority.

>>15834353
Hey I'm just speaking in terms that they understand, I was attacked first.

>>15834362
Yes, ALL older fans are the minority now. That was my point.

>>15834349
>Colbert

You mean where they performed Gimme Chocolate?
You mean where they performed that song that's one of their least accessible and one their most extreme forms of idol/metal fusion?

I just want to be clear that we're talking about the same time. I just wanna be on the same page about them going on national TV and performing a song which parallels no modern western artists.

>>15834363
You attack Babymetal religiously and then cry about being attacked?

>>15834344
I never said I wasn't insecure myself.

>>15834345
At least stay true to your roots for two albums.

>>15834371
Don't bother man, he likes moving the goal posts like a typical troll.

He knows that its 'fact' that only new fans like MR. So he clearly is more intelligent than us.

>>15834368
Funny joke but no, most older fans love the new album. Did you actually believe differently this whole time? What's it like living in a bubble?

>>15834379
>At least stay true to your roots for two albums.

You mean like they did? You mean like how they're still playing music that's a fusion of idol music and metal?

Did I just trip into a parallel universe where now Babymetal is an experimental triphop act or something?

>>15834363
Are you feeling attacked right now?

>>15834394
Nah man the are totally a generic metal band now, didn't you get the memo? Lets just ignore facts and make shit up and pretend its true!

>>15834371
>Gimme Chocolate
>their least accessible
> one their most extreme forms of idol/metal fusion


That is not what Gimme Chocolate is. Gimme Chocolate is their MOST accessible and least extreme since it's what got them viral in the first place. It's a fun little song about chocolate, something that non-Japanese will understand, that isn't too heavy and only sticks to metal music + pop vocals. It's not like iine where it switches goes from edm pop to death metal to rap and back again to pop, or Babymetal Death.

Maybe Doki Doki Morning is the most accessible one after Gimme Chocolate.

>>15834394
>idol music

what idol music is there in Babymetal?

>>15834414
They are literally an idol group?

>>15834410
Gimme Chocolate is not their most accessible song, it's their most attention-grabbing song and it is also the perfect song that represents their sound.

>>15834384
>most older fans love the new album
>this is a fact that can be proven, and not my own opinion or wild guess

>>15834399
>facts

>>15834420
>>this is a fact that can be proven, and not my own opinion or wild guess
Are you seeing the irony here?

>>15834410
>It's not like iine where it switches goes from edm pop to death metal to rap and back again to pop, or Babymetal Death.

I don't think you know what "accessible" means. It means confirming to what you're used to, being the easy to digest and understand.

If you don't know anything about jpop or idol music, seeing them perform that song would be a giant "what the fuck is this" moment.

We have skrillex, we have metallica, we have cannibal corpse, we don't fucking have little girls in black and red dancing choreographed moves and singing about chocolate to music that's some really fast and strange hybrid of sweet pop music and metal.

The fusion makes it inaccessible. The more metal it gets, the more familiar we're getting.

>>15834419
>Gimme Chocolate is not their most accessible song, it's their most attention-grabbing song

>implying those two are mutually exclusive

It's the most accessible. That's why it was a promotional single for the first album and why they performed that on TV for Colbert and why they opened most metal festivals with it after Babymetal Death as their intro song, why it was licensed in that one American TV show that one time, etc.

>>15834414
>what idol music is there in Babymetal?

You're right, the subject matter isn't that of idol music, there aren't poppy idol music breaks in their songs now, and they don't still do cute choreographed moves while they perform.

The fuck are you on, f'real? Is your book upside or something? Why are you not on the same page as the rest of the class?

>>15834442
>The more metal it gets, the more familiar we're getting.

Not to the general public who is neither into metal nor j-pop.

Gimme Chocolate was perfectly accessible for anyone who came in from the mainstream Western music scene, as accessible as j-popcan be once they get over the LOL JAPAN XD factor.


That's why it was the promotional single and music video for their first album, and even for their 2nd album on Colbert.

>>15834444
>It's the most accessible.

No dingus, it's not because it's accessible, it's because it best captures what they are.
It's leading with the best example of what they're trying to be.

Ijime, Dame, Zettai is way more accessible to people who don't know idol music because it sounds more like something they're used to-- however, it's not the most "Babymetal" song they do.

>>15834286
>ATATATATATATAZUKYUUUN
>WATATATATATATATADOKYUN
>ZUKYUN DOKYUN ZUKYUN DOKYUN
JUUST

>>15834447
There's no such thing as "idol music"

You're thinking of j-pop.

Whether they're an idol group is another thing.

>>15834418
>They are literally an idol group?

No not really anymore no. Maybe a little bit, not not enough.

>>15834454
>Not to the general public who is neither into metal nor j-pop.

Am I going to have to start rattling off metal albums that went platinum in the US? Don't make me start rattling off all the metal albums that went platinum in the US and all the famous metal bands that are household names like fucking Metallica.

>>15834459

Imagine if it was

>ZUKYUN ZUZUZUZUKYUN

>DOKYUN DODODODOKYUN

>ZUKYUN ZUZU etc.

>>15834463
>No not really anymore no. Maybe a little bit, not not enough.
They still very are. The funny bit is that they try to pretend they aren't. That's why they have ended up as parody of itself which they are now.
I have been on their Wembley concert earlier this year and lost my interest in them after it.

>>15834463
>There's no such thing as "idol music"
>You're thinking of j-pop.

No, because we're talking about music with certain traits.
>Girl group
>Cute
>Light hearted
etc.

Namie Amuro, Utada Hikaru, and Koda Kumi are very different from AKB48.

Idol isn't a music genre like visual kei isn't even if they tend to sound similar

>>15834444
They aren't mutually exclusive but it has the shock factor and it's polarizing as hell. People have the strongest opinions about that song either way. The only accessible part is the chorus, everything else is very unusual.

>>15834466
>all the famous metal bands that are household names like fucking Metallica.

Yes, I also fondly remember the 80s and 90s. It's too bad that it's 2016 and the closest thing we have to metal in mainstream popular music is Nickleback.

>>15834457
Saying certain songs are less "Babymetal" is such bullshit. Ijime is just as much Babymetal as anything else.

>>15834479
>It's too bad that it's 2016 and the closest thing we have to metal in mainstream popular music

So are you suggesting that the music doesn't exist anymore and nobody has access to music that isn't currently on the radio? Are you suggesting that all new fans are children raised in music bubbles that only know Drake and Skrillex?

>the viral song that made them famous is totally extreme and not accessible at all


Babymetal fans trying to justify the second album.

>>15834470
Same shit to me. The sound of cancer.

>>15834501
There are also a ton of people that hate them and their only familiarity with them is that song. It's polarizing as hell and you know it.

Also I can't tell you how many times I heard "I don't like them but Megitsune is good".

>>15834501
I couldn't get past the atatatas. Sorry, but nope.

>>15834493
I'm saying that the people who watch Youtubers React and Colbert, and make up 99% of the new fans and all the fan altogether now, are PROBABLY not big fans of Cannibal Corpse or Euronymous, no.

Also

>Skrillex

Should have picked a better/different example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJUXhPsxlqA

Jeez what a poor decision that was using their least accessible and most extremely polarizing smash hit single to perform with Skrillex.

>>15834519
>popularity = accessibility
>what is Dark Souls

>>15834519
>Jeez what a poor decision that was using their least accessible and most extremely polarizing smash hit single to perform with Skrillex.

No, the point is to expose people to what they are. Babymetal in itself isn't accessible to Western audiences at present and Gimme Chocolate is their most defining song. They could have done other songs that would feel more familiar to the audience, but they chose to go with what is more defining.

>Polarizing

What did you mean by this?
Nobody had said anything about Babymetal being polarizing ever.

>>15834471
Exactly.

They're doing none of the things that actual idols do, and trying to do everything that metal bands do, so the irony makes them not-idol idols, or something.

At the end of the day though they're still going to western & European metal festivals rather than idol fests. Which is kind of a shame.

>>15834528
There's nothing more shameful than idol fests, anon.

>>15834528
The only idol festival they were ever at when they were like 11 they were jeered by the crowd to get out of the way because they were standing in front of C-ute. Dempagumi was nice enough to call them over to hang with them.

>>15834478
>>15834526
>Nobody had said anything about Babymetal being polarizing ever.

>Babymetal in itself isn't accessible to Western audiences at present

So then how come they're winning awards from Western music organizations and collaborating with Western bands and touring with Western bands and being featured on the front page of Western music magazines and performing in front of a Western television audience and performing at Western music festivals?

What's that about? That seems pretty accessible for them to be doing all that in the west?

>and Gimme Chocolate is their most defining song. They could have done other songs that would feel more familiar to the audience

No song is more familiar, because Gimme Chocolate is their most popular and accessible song.

>>15834522
babby's first "hard" game

Just because it's not hold-your-and easy doesn't mean it inaccessible, something like Dwarf Fortress starts to get inaccessible.

Oh and big acts don't do idol festivals, it's more for the small time idols.

>>15834552
All the more reason to go back there and be all OH WHAT NOW

>>15834539

pic related, a metalhead

>>15834561
Yup, literally the same guy as always

Answer the point of this crusade. Why are you so butthurt?

>>15834564
>crusade
>butthurt

I'm neither of those things.

I am disappointed with babymetal's new direction and latest album though.


>literally the same guy as always

Same with you, shouldn't you be linking more posts in /bmsg/ ?

>>15834555
Souls and Bloodborne are really inaccessible. When Bloodborne came out a lot of people complained that it was way too hard. A big part of its popularity is due to the difficulty.

All the other crap is crap. You act like something unconventional can't become popular.

>>15834576
Why do you go there? Are you at least a fan of SG?

>>15834555
>So then how come they're winning awards from Western music organizations and collaborating with Western bands and touring with Western bands and being featured on the front page of Western music magazines and performing in front of a Western television audience and performing at Western music festivals?


I'm just going to conclude you don't actually understand what the concept of inaccessible means.
Inaccessible does not mean that they can't achieve success, it means that they won't achieve mainstream success, especially not right away.
It's also not a permanent trait.

Accessible means you hear it and you go "okay, that's familiar. I know what I'm hearing and I'm used to this."
In accessible means you hear it and you go "I'm not sure what I'm hearing, I'm not used to this and I don't know what to make of it."

As the other poster mention, Dark Souls uses a style of combat that people were very unfamiliar with. It was harder than normal games and when you sat down with it people took longer getting into it and understanding it.

Dark Souls found success, but it's not Mario or CoD where people get it easily and make a quick transition in being able to get by in the game.

>No song is more familiar

I really pray that you're being stupid on purpose and that you're not actually this incapable of following an argument.
"Familiar" to western audiences, meaning more similar to what we already have here.

>>15834561
Well, that's one way to deflect. I was just commenting on idol fests. Metal fests are usually less autistic.

>>15834579
difficulty isn't the same as inaccessibility, Souls games are challenging but still conventional games. Anyone who's even played Skyrim knows about magic/stamina bars and healing potions, and then it's just a matter of getting the timing of your dodges and attacks right.

Something like Dwarf Fortress is inaccessible because it has no graphics other than ASCII and you have to create the world's continents and oceans and history of various civilizations before you get to actually play.


Something else like Eve Online is also inaccessible because you need to have s university-level understanding of economics and the free market if you don't want to get screwed with your sales and purchases.

Neither of those games are relatively popular on even a Souls level.

>>15834561
>go back to the fags that jeered them
Going by the fans in this thread, I assume they would be jeered again for not being idol enough.

>>15834625
There are levels of accessibility

>>15834579
>Are you at least a fan of SG?

Of course, SG is a fun no-bullshit idol group that makes fun pop music and doesn't pull a bait-and-switch to its fanbase after just one album.

>>15834606
>Inaccessible does not mean that they can't achieve success, it means that they won't achieve mainstream success, especially not right away.

They are as mainstream as a metal band can be in 2016, after only two years and two albums as an actual band.

Most metal bands will tour for decades and release 3 or 4 times that many albums and never achieve not even half the success that Babymetal has, despite being "accessible" metal bands.

>>15834640
Sure, and a group that performs on Colbert and has its songs licensed to things like the WWE and NBC after only two year are as accessible as an open door with a wheelchair ramp.

>>15834645
SG hasn't been "fun" since 2013. Regurgitated music, ugly members, and blandness.

>>15834663
popular things are usually accessible but not always.

Death Grips for example. Lil b. Dubstep was also very strange at first before it exploded.

>>15834645
As far as idols group go, that one is pretty shit. It's not surprising Babymetal came out of it.

>>15834672
>Death Grips for example.

That's very poor example considering how they're not even comparable to Babymetal's level of mainstream success.


and I don't know who lil b is, every other rapper these days is lil something or young something.


Ultimately if they weren't accessible they wouldn't be as popular and they wouldn't have become popular overnight.

>>15834681
Death Grips has a lot of famous fans which is one of the things you cited as most definitely without question making you accessible. Where will the goalposts move now?

>>15834654
>They are as mainstream as a metal band can be in 2016

You mean by not having radio play and performing in Japanese?

You mean like how they have done very few shows in the US and don't perform at big venues when they're headlining?
You mean how their shows are as crowded as Kyary Pamyu Pamyu shows and Perfume shows despite this "mainstream success" you mention?

I'm pretty fucking sure Dir En Grey draws a bigger crowd when they perform in the US and that should be saying a lot.

>a group that performs on Colbert and has its songs licensed to things like the WWE and NBC

mc chris had a song featured on a car commercial, it does not mean he has been successful, is mainstream, or accessible.

>>15834681
>Ultimately if they weren't accessible they wouldn't be as popular and they wouldn't have become popular overnight.


They're not popular.
I think this is where your whole argument is going down the shitter. You have this weird idea that Babymetal is popular in the US or in Western countries.
They're not.
Hatsune Miku was on Colbert. Hatsune Miku is not popular.
2NE1 was featured on a Microsoft commercial-- they're not popular here.
You're talking about a niche audience.
Kpop is not mainstream here.
Babymetal is not mainstream here.

>>15834701
They actually seem to be pretty well-known now but it doesn't even matter because inaccessible stuff can become popular.

Japanese music in general is not accessible due to it being in Japanese. That's why they could never break into the US.

>>15834707
>They actually seem to be pretty well-known now

Just judging from my person experience people recognize Kyary Pamyu Pamyu more than Babymetal.
I've had maybe two strangers recognize my babymetal shirt/talk about babymetal with me. I've had several recognize one of my Kyary shirts.
Judging by concert attendance too, Kyary seems more popular and well known.

So as much as people want to think Babymetal is now "mainstream" because of a couple things, they still seem to trail behind other Japanese acts.
One OK Rock has played warped tour, Dir En Grey has played Ozzfest, and Kyary seems to be recognized more.
Shonen Knife even did a song for the Powerpuff Girls and Nirvana and Sonic Youth were fans of theirs.

Boredoms and Melt-Banana seem to be known too.
Babymetal just isn't mainstream, they're not noticeably above any of the other Japanese artists that have found a niche in the US.

>>15834701
>Hatsune Miku was on Colbert.

No she wasn't. Please get your facts straight.

Anyways popularity is relative. Babymetal is still more popular than 90% of all metal bands, which is what they're trying to be, who have been around for decades. They're not "Justin Bieber" mainstream, but still more mainstream than almost any other metal band.

>>15834691
>a lot of famous fans which is one of the things you cited as most definitely without question making you accessible

the fuck? famous fans? I never said anything like that

>>15834694
>very few shows in the US and don't perform at big venues when they're headlining

They don't headline because they don't have the need for opening acts, I'm suspecting that you don't know a whole lot about Babymetal. As an example they managed to play the same venue as marilyn manson within the same month and theirs was sold out, his wasn't.

They also have a lot of shows in the US when they also have to split their very-limited touring schedule between the literally the entire world. They can't tour for most of the years since they're still in school.

>>15834694
>I'm pretty fucking sure Dir En Grey draws a bigger crowd when they perform in the US and that should be saying a lot.

Not even close to true. BM actually does really well ticket sales wise. A lot better than most metal bands in the US actually. They've only not sold out one show out of 12 and it was a 3,500 capacity in NYC two years ago.

They also draw one of the largest crowds at festivals.

>>15834720
Where are you getting your information from? One OK Rock and Dir En Grey are far less popular and successful in the states. Kyary also doesn't have the same success tour-wise and album sales-wise which Babymetal actually broke the top 40 and only the second Japanese group to ever do it.

>>15834720
Melt-Banana is known but they are not popular. They built a following with fanbases for a lot of smaller local (US) alternative/punk bands that they toured with ten-twenty years ago. Babymetal is more widely known than Melt Banana when it comes to casual music fans, hell, even with local undrground fans as well at this point thanks to the internet coverage. At least on the east coast, and I'm not an outsider speculating, I'm coming as someone that is part of the east coast alt scene.

>>15834720
>One OK Rock has played warped tour, Dir En Grey has played Ozzfest

Babymetal has been on Sonisphere, Download Fest, Heavy MTL, Ozzfest, Reading & Leeds, Rock in Vienna, Rock im Revier, Rockavaria, Northern Invasion, Carolina Rebellion, Chicago Open Air, the Alternative Press Award, etc.

but keep downlplaying their mainstream success as a metal band like how they're a weird little niche group behind The Boredoms of all things. hilarious.

>>15834744
Also consistently at the top of world albums chart beating out all kpop and no other Japanese groups get on there.

>b-but they're not popular or accessible at all! I don't know what most words actually mean!

>>15834770
Non-English music by default in not accessible in the US.

Look up this word: Despite

>>15834725
>No she wasn't. Please get your facts straight.

Sorry, got the wrong talk show host, it was Letterman.

https://youtu.be/lwJ1i5lCw0M

>Babymetal is still more popular than 90% of all metal bands

Not really, there's lots of popular metal bands like Children of Bodom, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Disturbed, Cradle of Filth, and basically most of the shit Hot Topic would carry.
Metal is a globally popular genre.

>still more mainstream than almost any other metal band.

Well this is flat out wrong, so I don't know why you think this. This isn't even close to being true.
Shit like Black Veil Brides and stuff are a lot more popular.
Ignorance of what's popular doesn't make your weird silly perception of things correct.

> the same venue as marilyn manson

You mean that artist that fell out of relevancy almost 2 decades ago?
The last time anyone cared about Marilyn Manson was 16 years ago.
It's generally accepted that his last good album was Mechanical Animals.

I've been to a Babymetal show in the US, it's not a big show. The crowd is the size of what you're expect maybe the Melvins or The Mountain Goats, one of those cult acts that are neither mainstream, nor unpopular to pull.

>They also have a lot of shows in the US

Well no, that's fucking wrong.
They've come to CA twice, the first show was pre-live band and it was in LA so I stupidly didn't bother going.
Then they opened for LadyGaga at some stops, and then now they finally had some proper touring in the US. Even then, they didn't have a lot of stops.
I think they maybe played 2 or 3 more shows than what Perfume did on their recent tour.

>>15834561
I realized when she was a mask of Pikachu.
He might be a prophet.

>>15834731
>A lot better than most metal bands in the US actually. They've only not sold out one show out of 12 and it was a 3,500 capacity in NYC two years ago.

I'm pretty sure random ass metal acts like Queensryche still sell out bigger shows than that.
3,500 isn't that impressive. That's not what a "popular" "mainstream" act pulls.

>>15834775
>the first show was pre-live band
What? It's obviously you aren't very knowledgeable about them.

Koba said that he actually wanted to tour the US for 3 months but didn't have time. They are also in high school and live in Japan.

>>15834784
I'm not saying they're mainstream but they are pretty well known now and they are successful as fuck touring. Anthrax is playing a tour with Slayer at small clubs and only one US show sold out. BM sold out about 15,000 tickets during their US tour. That's arena size.

>>15834772
That's not a law written in stone or an absolute scientific fact. Music isn't like a book or a movie without subtitles.

In fact, when a foreign music act breaks though American charts, that means it's all the more accessible as it overcomes the language barrier.

There was a French nun whose single, Dominique, rose to the top of the 100 chart and outsold Elvis and the Beatles in the 60s.

Fucking Gangnam Style breaking all the records on youtube and reaching #2 on the American top 100.

Rammstein being more a popular metal band than a lot of English-speaking American bands in their own country.

99 luftballoons, La Bamba, etc.

>>15834775
>90% of all metal bands
>look at these 4 popular metal bands that I listed

okay. Those are also more popular than 90% of all metal bands. Fair point? not really.

>>15834794
Whether I know a lot or a little, I can tell you that they're not "popular" in the US.

I mean shit, Dream Theater can go and play Budokan in Japan just like Babymetal did, but Babymetal has never been a solo act at a big venue like that here.

What does it say when DREAM THEATER is more popular?
I think it says a lot.

>>15834805
>what are exceptions

>>15834803
>I'm not saying they're mainstream

Well good, that's what I've been trying to say.

>>15834805
>okay. Those are also more popular than 90% of all metal bands. Fair point? not really.

Sorry, let me go ahead and just keep naming bands so you can move the goal posts. I just rattled off a few bands off the top of my head. There are many many more that are much more popular.

>>15834808
BM is more known than Dream Theater.

Every metal fan knows both of them but it's rare for anyone outside of that base to know who DT are. BM also has a lot fans of various different things.

>>15834818
>Every metal fan knows both of them

Every metal fan knows Babymetal and Dream Theater?
Well no, and also what?

I don't think you have a grasp of what people actually are aware of.

>>15834775
>this fucking guy

NO ONE SAID THAT BABYMETAL WAS THE SINGLE MOST POPULAR BAND OF ALL TIME THAT WAS MORE POPULAR THAN MICHAEL JACKSON OR OZZY OSBOURONE OR DONALD TRUMP

THEY'RE STILL PLAYING GENUINELY SOLO TOURS, NO OPENING ACTS, AND APPEARING ON MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND THE MAINS STAGES OF THE BIGGEST METAL AND ROCK FESTIVALS


THEY'RE POPULAR, BUT OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT AS POPULAR AS METAL BANDS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE 1978 OR SOMETHING, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM NOT POPULAR

LIKE WHAT THE FUCK THE MELVINS DO THEY EVEN HAVE ONE ALBUM THAT BROKE THE TOP 200 CHARTS YES I'M MAD YOU IDIOT

>>15834823
Are you kidding me? Metal fans are the most aware of BM. They are talked about all the time on metal websites/magazines for years.

>>15834814
>I just rattled off a few of the most popular and legendary bands off the top of my head because I don't know what "90% of all metal bands" mean, I think you must mean the world's most popular bands.

They're mainstream in the metal world. They were literally the #1 metal albums in the US and the UK.

Even by non-metal standards they're mainstream. They opened for Lady Gaga, and all those other things of being involved in the mainstream media.

>>15834812
Yeah, and Babymetal is one of them.

>>15834849
>Yeah, and Babymetal is one of them
Well yes, I hope you realize you are agreeing with me.

>>15834852
>They're not accessible at all
>except that they totally are

Okay then, that was a fruitful discussion!

>>15834826
I told you you were the most angry one here

>>15834867
I was merely pretending :^)

>>15834862
I think you're misremembering your own posts again.

>non-english music is not accessible
>these non english songs are popular
>what are exceptions

Non English music is not accessible just because some songs have made it popular and yes BM is one of those examples of popularity despite inaccessibility.

>>15834876
The non-English thing was only introduced at the end of the thread, probably just to push those goalposts some more

People, maybe even you, were saying that Babymetal is inaccessible because they have craaazy extreme shocking music that would never work in America.

>>15834442
>>15834371
>>15834478
>etc.

there is no point to downplay babymetal success, anyone can make a quick search and see that it was one of the most sold asian albums in US and UK, i mean it's completely fine to not like them but to try to brush off their success when anyone can see the numbers, that's plain stupid

>>15834895
How is that moving goalposts? They are both a part of the inaccessibility. All the press around them at first ALWAYS referred to them as polarizing.

This argument is so far from your original one anyway.

>>15834906
>They are both a part of the inaccessibility

The inaccessibility that we thought we agreed did not exist for Babymetal.

>>15834913
No, we agreed that they were an exception as far as becoming popular despite inaccessibility.

You trying to tell me teenage idols dancing to metal on stage is accessible in the west? At a metal festival?

>>15834906
that's BS, anything that's released in metal is polarized by the fanbase, there's so much division in the subgenres that metalfags from one genre hate other metal subgenres.

>>15834926
>You trying to tell me teenage idols dancing to metal on stage is accessible in the west? At a metal festival?

Yes, otherwise they wouldn't be on the main stages and drawing crowds & winning over fans.

They would be fucked off at some tiny side stage with local acts or the tent where they stick the DJs and even then they would be boo'd off stage.

>>15834932
It's polarizing for any type

>>15834940
I don't see any copycats like desurabbitsu playing at metal festivals. They would have a really bad time.

>>15834971
They're not a metal band at all, nor are they trying to be or pretending to be. They don't even take their own lore seriously.


Same with other metal-idol groups like Ladybaby or Passcode or whatever else. The metal or rock is just in the music, they're not pretending to be huge metallica or cannibal corpse fans.

>>15834992
>The metal or rock is just in the music

and even then it's barely there or not there at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqwDnEB1Pco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2PFj7CREPA

too easy lmao

>>15834992
>>15835018
And I thought Babymetal was bad. At least Babymetal doesn't almost literally blow chunky butt juice like them in the music and looks department.

>>15835040
>literally blow chunky butt juice

You have to be over 18 to post on this website.

>>15834121
Tbqh on a selfish level I want them to have success but being super successful just means I'll probably never get near the front row anymore so...............

>>15835053
Ok. You too.

>>15834992
you are a sad person

>>15835065
why is that?

>>15835018
Couldn't last 15 seconds on that first one. Is that what Hell sounds like?

>>15835018
You could at least pick good examples, Ladybaby is shit by any standard.

>>15834459
Fuck you I like it. Both albums are great, I like 2nd a bit more though.

>>15834528
They are a metal/rock band with an idol twist to it. That's what they were planning on being, that's what they are now. If you gonna say, whats idol about them, well the whole fact that their frontmen are 3 cute girls, who dance and make cute sounds already means they are not a standard metal band. There is really no need to have 3 people in the front, Su alone would be more than enough, just like it is in ALL metal bands, one vocalist, who is usually a frontman. Having 3 girls in cute dresses, doing cute stuff is something a j-pop idol band would do, because there you attract people mainly with girls and music is secondary. Babymetal mixes these two things and people seem to love it as they are growing more popular everyday. This was their aim, so I don't really get what people are upset about, they would never fit into a normal idol scene, because frankly they are primarily a metal band and pop fans hate metal. They would also never become proper popular in the west, because idol shit is not a thing here and their aim was to bring metal to the world, so that's exactly what they are doing.