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Furudo Erika

Repeat after me: Magic is real.

This part of the manga always cracks me up.

>>15624739
>>15624776

>>15624787
Oh god that's hilarous

>>15624787
I'd fuck Yasu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYPH6v9RVwY

>>15624795
They did a really good job portraying Erika in the fighting game. That whiny choked grunt when she gets knocked down gets me every time.

>>15624780
How can magic be real if our DESIRES aren't real

>>15623960
Shannon, what happened to your hairs and why are you wearing an oversized coat?

>>15624787
>".....?"

Oh, I just realized it now, she probably can't figure why she has a vagina but a man chest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErBCcPlZhTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUCUKW-h0FY

these fucking minute long combos lmao

meanwhile at street fighter V a 3 hit combo is skill

>>15625031
>Shanon
>blond
What the hell is going on with this fighting game

>>15625048
that's knockoff shannon the maidhog, you unlock her by pressing b when you select her

Is Umineko replayable?
I've been thinking of getting it proper, but I already finished it and didn't really liked the story.

>>15625075
Just read episode VIII manga and move on.

>>15625031
This makes me realize how much I fucking suck at this game

>>15625088
Ha, fuck. I hoped for something like "the atmosphere is still pretty good and worth a re reading".
Well. Can't help it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS3Yte3VGoM

moar brutality

>>15625075
It's a murder mystery, you won't get the same sense of wonder as you did playing it the first time round.

>>15625137
I really like the first episode's ambiance. It was like Higurashi, you knew nothing.

It quickly became really silly tho.

>>15625146
It jumped the shark with Erika. Suddenly the entire thing is unreliable narrator, which is when you just stop thinking.

>>15625152
You're pretty patient.
I understood all the different meta levels of play without any problem, but I just stopped bothering at episode 2.
I really was expecting a claustrophobic semi-magical murder mystery.

>>15625091
Me too but it's fun. Dlanor and Erika are impossible to use on a keyboard though.

>>15625161
I always thought that the magic was fake. All of it. I thought the witches were a big lie, it was all unreliable narrator or bogus, and that it would end with Battler solving the mystery of who was behind Rokkenjima and getting out alive with his family and reuniting with Ange.

So yeah I was fairly salty when the author made an entire race of goats to call me an asshole. I guess I based my expectations of Higurashi too much

>>15625183
Same here. I loved Higurashi, its atmosphere, all the spooky stuff, the complicated explanation, and I had high hopes for Umineko.

And then Umineko turned out to be just Ryukishi constantly shooting down my theories and mocking me when I give up on making new theories.

>>15625185
Are you the annoying samefag from the other thread replying to yourself yet again?

>>15625465
What other thread?

>>15625421
Best fucking shit. It should have ended up being canon with the entire world dying because of blue haired little bitch and Rika restarting worlds though.

>>15625475
The words don't get restarted, though.

>>15625421
is this from Rei? I don't remember this

>>15625185
I'm only about halfway through ep3 of umineko but so far I agree
what made Higurashi so spooky at the beginning was that it was ambiguous whether there was magic going on or if it was a human conspiracy
when the lightsaber fights and goatmen appear it seems pretty obvious which way the story is going

>>15625717
Outbreak.

It's very, very silly.

Alright, I tried opening up her dress a bit.
How does it look?

>>15625762
I concur.
I mean, it's been years, but even now, I still read higurashi every once in a while because I like Keiichi's descent into paranoia.

>>15625908
I personally find the overall structure of Higurashi to be brilliant. Ryukishi is a writer who doesn't just write impactful scenes but purposefully structures his story to make his reader feel a certain type of emotion. The overall emotion of Higurashi is paranoia. I find it abasolutely genius the way the story makes the reader feel paranoia the same way as the characters.
One day, I might just make a video analysis of the structure in Higurashi. I really find Higurashi to be one of the greatest narrative stories ever made because of this.

>>15625990
Personally Higurashi is better because despite the lame revelation and over-use on plot device, it has wonderful characters.

>>15625894
Look like she got put through a paper shredder homey.

Good work though.

>>15625996
Both Umineko and Higurashi have wonderful characters. The thing is that all of the characters in Higurashi are all great without exception and are given a good amount of depth. I would argue though that Umineko's characters are deeper and more interesting but not enough characters have this sort of depth.

I don't know what you mean by lame revelation and over use on plot device.

>>15626008
Yeah, it doesn't look sexy or lewd. It really looks like a dress with a bunch of holes.
The idea itself is genius, having the half winged eagle cutting into her dress to show her skin but the end result is just so weird looking.

>>15626011
The thing that gets me about Umieko characters is that they are shown, with the exception of the grandchildren, to be pure bastards down to a character. All of them end up murderers in a sense, all of them are hateful, prideful, greedy people spawned by a lecherous and essentially evil Kinzo.

I'm fine with asshole characters, but none of them make any progression. The progression is that they all died on October 5th. That's it. The end. The rest is either Ange magic Resurrection or unreliable narrator.

>>15626011
>I don't know what you mean by lame revelation and over use on plot device.
Hinamizawa Syndrome and overuse of mysterious drugs.

Even as a sci-fi, it comes of as pretty lame.

>>15626031
Why would there be a progression? The tragedy already occurred and there are only piece clones of them stuck in purgatory like games to play out different scenarios which all end the way they are supposed to, based on the overarching narrative structure of the meta and the forgeries. They are much more than just assholes. Every one of them has more depth to them than just their flaws.

>>15626031
>to be pure bastards down to a character.
Without love it cannot be seen. There is much more to their characters than simply being greedy fucks.

>>15626037

The HS is not the reason they went insane. Ryukishi explains it at the end of the manga. Tragedy happened simply because they didn't talk. The HS does not make everyone insane automatically, but only if they persue random accusations and don't talk to anyone.
If K1 doesn't give a shit about the murders, ep 1 doesn't happen.
If Shion would talk about her burden, ep 3-5 wouldn't have happened.
If Rena had talked to Mion about her family problems, ep 6 wouldn't have happened.

Tragedy is the plot device, not the HS.
What I also love about Higurashi is that it's not as though X made everyone randomly insane, but you were given a first person narration of their drive into madness. You had a direct process of thought from K1 finding out about the murders to killing his friends. From Shion leaving her school to killing her sister. From Rena playing with K1 to them fighting on the rooftop.
Were any of their actions completely irrational? At the end point, it completely was, but not the process of getting there.
The road to hell, etc etc. It's only when you're in hell do you realize the actions you've done.

Though there could never be a good explanation for Tenpei's death. I'm sure there's some scientific accuracy about people scratching their throat from paranoia but I don't know about it.

>>15625990
I like Higurashi because even knowing the "truth" still makes it scary.
Keiishi is still slowly falling in paranoia and he can suck you in his delusions (even if you know Oyashiro is just a loli), Mion and Shion will scare you, and to see how Far Rena was pushed before finally snapping were brilliant, and because of the way it was written, you can take them independently.

>>15626093
This desu senpai.

>>15626093
>Though there could never be a good explanation for Tenpei's death.
I meant Tomitake, not Tenpei.

>>15626093
>The HS is not the reason they went insane.
Yeah, all those hallucinations never happened!

Satoko even kills her parents because of self-preservation due to the HS.

Teenagers don't talk and get paranoid all the times, but without HS making them see maggots in their arms and needles in the food they don't go crazy

>>15626093
>>15626080

Yes. But that is drawn out of clone pieces through adversity, Rosa realizing that she has to cherish Maria, Eva's basically everything, Krauss and Natsuhi reconciling with reality and Kinzo etc. They all show themselves to be characters capable of moving on.

But they never moved on. They are cold in the ground. All that ever happened was whispers of ghosts making a light show.

OR it was possible they remembered because of magic at the end through Ange Ressurecting...Piece them? Actual them? It's not clear but up to interpretation. But the chapter 8 pieces act wayyyy out of character. I believe that's what those characters would say at the end if they could, but it's too clean. I like to think they had a episode 8 style get together and hashed it all out, but really that's wishful thinking.

>>15626118
I think those are more metaphors. HS doesn't start the descent into madness, it merely feeds it, coxes it, helps it, nurtures it etc. HS is nothing you don't make it.

>>15626118
The HS isn't the reason, you imbecile. It's triggered by stress, and only makes things worse.
HS didn't cause them to go insane, it just caused their stress to get worse until they became insane.

>>15626125
Yeah, and so without HS you get nothing because people don't magically start seeing needles in their food.

>>15626133
>The HS isn't the reason, you imbecile. It's triggered by stress, and only makes things worse.
>HS didn't cause them to go insane, it just caused their stress to get worse until they became insane.

Before calling people imbecile, re-read you message.

Jesus Christ, I like Higurashi but some R07 admitting their favorite author has problem when it comes to solutions are fucking insufferable.

>>15626143
Fuck you imbecile.

>>15626153

>>15626134
HS is just the amplification of existing paranoia. Without HS, it would just manifest as more unhappiness in their lives later down the line.

Really it's a powerful narrative device to show the effects of not-talking and paranoia.

>>15626118
>Yeah, all those hallucinations never happened!
They all happened. Hallucinations did happen.

Hearing someone walking behind you? That's Hanyuu. Explanation? The HS heightens your senses and gives you strength when stressed.

The creepy eyes? That's just how K1 felt when he was being pushed by Rena and Mion. Admittedly, the USODA scene may or may not have happened as the manga shows that K1 was screaming at Rena, but it's not entirely impossible for Rena to be mad, considering Rei showed Rena turn mad on a dime.

There was never a needle.

The syringe at the end however was a hallucination though, so I'll give you that.

Like Rika explains in ep 7, when you see a dot on a wall, what do you see? A dot, right? But when you're stressed, your mind plays tricks on you and depending on the person, it could be a fly or a spider.

>Satoko even kills her parents because of self-preservation due to the HS.
Well yeah, she was deeply streesed.
HS only hightens your stress level if your stressed. It doesn't make you do anything except worsening your condition if you let it.

HS is simply a disease that does not control people if they treat the illness immediately. HS does not make you do anything, it just makes you worse.
This is why Irie protects Satoko from being investigated. Just like his dad changed personality and beat his mother. A disease can make a person do fucked up things if not treated.

>Teenagers don't talk and get paranoid all the times
Another way of seeing it is that HS only gives heightened schizophrenia.

Basically >>15626188 said it better than my rambling.

>>15626134
There was no needle in the food. Reread the scene again.
K1 eats something, it hurts his mouth and he throws it. He thinks something hits his mouth and assumes it's a needle.

>>15624787

>>15626194
Forgot image.

Also this image is not how schizophrenia works but it does make you hallucinate depending on the severity.

>>15626194
Because he was traumatized by a book he read as a child in which a guy swallows a needle.

If I were to hallucinate, I would probably see nails instead of needles.

>>15626213
>tfw have a fear of being chased and a fear of tight spaces
I don't even want to imagine the possibilities involved with hallucinations.

Remember kids; don't do HS

>>15626153
You don't need to be so mean with someone that only wants to share their opinions. Be patient. Why don't you try to see it as comedy? It works for me when I'm mad with someone more stupid than me. It honestly makes you seems like an asshole.
>>15626213
Yuck, I don't want to know why.

>>15626221
is this the DEEN screenshot thread

>>15626221
There are some horror games playing with that.

It usually has you walking down a corridor, reaching the end, turning around, and walking in the opposite way.
It get smaller every time.

>>15626225
Because the nail ripping scene horrified me and even years later, I still have problem cutting my own nails.

And then Monster arrived and Grimmer get his nails cut too.

>>15626226
Hmm, no, I don't think so. This is an Umineko thread. I'm sure. I double checked.
>>15626233
Oh, I thought you were talking about some personal experience. Yeah, I remember that part very well. It was very hard at first for me to pass that.

>>15626213
>Because he was traumatized by a book he read as a child in which a guy swallows a needle.
Really? I don't remember that. Trippy.

>>15626221
I keep having dreams of being eaten alive by a large pink blob that eats everything. Getting touched by it makes it stick to you like glue. Unable to break it, you have to cut yourself or amputate yourself to even escape. And when the blob eats you whole, its weight cracks your bones until you become nothing but putty to be added to the pink mass.

I hate sleeping and dreaming.

There's also the movie Buried that takes place in a very tight place which will surely give to anxiety attacks.

>>15626247
>is this the DEEN screenshot thread
>Hmm, no, I don't think so. This is an Umineko thread.
Fucking duh. Ahh... Forget what I say. Sometimes I just don't have a brain.

>>15626247
Thankfully I never got my nails removed.
I'm too careful for that.

But I once stepped on a bee nest. It was horrible.

>>15626233
>cutting your own nails
>not biting them to pieces to avoid even the remote possibility of them being ripped off
Scrub


>>15626233
>There are some horror games playing with that.
Jesus christ how horrifying

>>15626253
Never see the movie the blob.

>>15626259
Now wasps nests, that's when you consider just giving in and letting them take you

>>15625762
>it seems pretty obvious which way the story is going
Does it?

>>15625762
Try actually completing the story first

>>15626253
>Buried
>the blob.
Never watched those. I'm geting curious.

>>15626226
How did deen manage to make such a sexy man look so bad?

Talking about it, why did Shion never scratch her throat, actually she never felt any of the Hinamizawa Syndrome itches?

>>15626297
She was scratching her throat when she was stabbing K1 iirc.

>>15626288
The anime was such a disappointed. I'm almost tempted to watch it again because I never could finished and I don't like to let things unfinished. I still remember how excited I was for that opening, and then...
>>15626306
This.

>>15626271
>>15626282
oshit, guess I should've expected ryukishi to be fucking with me

>>15626334
Heh, you have no idea.

At least the anime gave us some lewd

>>15626366
Is there anything good about Jessica other than her body?

>>15626375
She's good at fighting, can sing, pretty voice, free spirited!

>>15626375
Jessica is one of the best umineko girls, and one of the few characters who was never a complete asshole.

>>15626375
Is there anything good about you other than your dick? And even that is mediocre, I'm sure.

>>15626386
That sounds like worthless traits.
What good is a woman at fighting if she's weaken than a man? Why bother?
Singing is worthless unless you are special.
Free sprites means nothing.

>>15626393
>not an asshole
A negative is not a trait.

>>15626375
the 2hu scene
came out of fucking nowhere

>>15626375
She get spanked by Kinzo.

>>15626375
I bet I could kick your ass with her in the fighting game!

>>15626397
Go back to your room, Kinzo.

>>15626194
>There was no needle in the food. Reread the scene again.
... That's what I said. Learn to english.

I read Higurashi, you don't have to explain it to me.

>>15626375
Do her boobs count twice?

>>15626194
Also, Mion put strong spice in the ohagi to prank Keiichi, but when it stung his mouth, he imagined needles. And the syringue he taped behing the clock was just a pen.

>>15626424
I'm pretty sure boobs are part of her body.

>>15625146
>It quickly became really silly tho.
Just like Higurashi, huh?

>>15626515
But Umineko went on another level of sillyness. As in 'did the author have a stroke midway through this and just change the ending' tier

I'm not even going to dignify your stupidity with a (You).

>>15626519
Don't answer to it.

>>15626519
The parasite madness virus and secret militarized organizations were real though.

>>15626397
Uh-huh. What about this? Stop ban evading and accept your punishment, limp dick. A whole month without you around would be peaceful.
>>15626422
Or you can try to explain what you want to say better? That would help a lot.
>>15626522
You're funny, throwing such an obvious bait.

>>15626519
You're exaggerating

>>15626515
Higurashi didn't become silly until at least Minagoroshi

>>15626537
>Stop ban evading

Look who's talking. Fuck off already.

>>15626397
Uh-huh. What about this? Stop ban evading and accept your punishment, limp dick. A whole month without you around would be peaceful.
>>15626422
Or you can try to explain what you want to say better? That would help a lot.
>>15626515
You're funny, throwing such an obvious bait.

>>15626406
That's still related to her body and Kinzo spanked all his children.

>>15626537
>>15626547
>>15626554
what the hell is going on here

>>15626547
You know that's not going to happen.
>>15626560
Hmm? Nothing.

Every single tred.

>>15625183
>So yeah I was fairly salty when the author made an entire race of goats to call me an asshole.
I was pretty amused, I knew he was representing the readers as goats and thought that was a genius move.
Most Goats didnt really show a good theory anyway, so its not like you were directly represented without being dumb.

>>15626519
well his cowriter or whatever did die around ep5

Someone should stream the fighting game and host some matches or something sometime.

>>15626560
Retards shilling seacats.

>>15626592
>Most Goats didnt really show a good theory anyway, so its not like you were directly represented without being dumb.
Yeah, but he didn't show a good solution either, so he has no right to call anyone anything.

>limp dick got deleted as well
Thanks God, that's more like it. Now I'm happy. Night-night.
I'm so evil, hooray!

>>15626691
Wow, we lost, like 40% of the thread.

>>15624808
So beautiful. That first note fucked me up though, because I wholeheartedly expected https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiejQyVI-F8

Why do the sound effect files from higurashi screwed up in a music player? In mangagamer's higurashi hou, wa_023.ogg is screwed up and lsys32.ogg sounds normal. The file is HIMERARETAKYOUSOU.wav (22050Hz, stereo, 0:18) in the Japanese 1-4 release, and wa_023(.ogg) inside data03000.arc in the old mangagamer question arc release (mono file, 0:22, sounds normal)

>>15626726
all according to keikaku?

>>15626802
wrong board

>>15626802
>title is riccordando il whatever the fuck
>thought it was tumblr the animation

This is just weird, what the fuck R07

>>15627091
Who's the bitch on the left?

>>15627101
New space alien who landed on earth to spread her parasites.

>>15627130
I don't remember her from the games. Is she new?

>>15627146
It's from Hou's extra arc.

Also, Takano got hulk strength now.

>>15627156
... The fuck is Hou? Playstation 2's special edition?

>>15627163
The 15th anniversary arc that got released by R07 a couple of years ago.

>>15627186
Ha.
Besides the whole ancient alien thingy, does it add anything good?

>>15627203
So far not really, if anything it makes Hanyuu background kinda more silly.

Not sure how much it is canon, it doesn't fit much in the timeline.

>>15627130
>>15627156
This whole arc was...awful. It started with an outbreak in Hinamizawa and Keiichi and co. fighting for survival and it ended in aliens, what the fuck.

>>15627270
>Saya_No_Uta_With_Ahahah.wav

>>15627310


Better Stake

>>15627321

>>15626689
>shilling seacats
>in a seacats thread
How hard exactly were you hit on the head as a child?

>>15624989
>implying Jap girls aren't mostly washboards already

Sayo deserves love and ponies.

>>15627713
Will still the hottest R07 character.

Sasuga LIon.

>tfw you initially hated Will but he turned out to be one of the better characters

>>15627732
What if Junko replaced Beatrice for the first four games.

>actually consider Umineko a masterpeice and prefer it to Higurashi
>mfw reading online hate on Seacats

愛がなければ。。。

>>15627750
What the fuck do you expect
>People spent years trying to find a solution
>Lol it was actually cross-dressing maid
>Costume tricks are considerate among the most cheap tricks among mystery reads
>R07: You are a goat

Somebody please post the sprite from the fighting game where George does that sick ass breakdance move

>>15627756
>not considering blatant thematic foreshadowing that was practically rammed down your throat ever other page fair game
>being this much of a goat

Christ he repeated the key to solution over and over and over, a second read-through and its painfully obvious what the trick was.

I think the problem is probably Umineko doesn't work in distant installments because there is far to much build-up, speculation, and discussion that muddies the narrative. When I read the VN the entire thing had been released and I was able to binge it. I didn't find any of the problems in the narrative structure that people seem to complain about.

I vastly prefer Chiru to the original games in fact. Something about living so much in the meta and then meta-meta was just a stimulating experience but then again I'm a woman and if I hadn't met R07 IRL I would assume he was a female writer because of how his mind works and how much seemingly first-hand insight he has on the female mind

>>15627780
What was the trick though? Aint gonna do a second readthrough anytime soon.

>>15627780
>>not considering blatant thematic foreshadowing that was practically rammed down your throat ever other page fair game

Probably because "The maid was pretending to be the butler" doesn't really work without tons of context and suspension of disbelief.

Every time that theory was raised you had 50 pointing why it wouldn't work.

>>15627787
>you had 50 pointing why it wouldn't work.
50 people* welp

Not to mention that up to episode 7 people thought it was magical DID.

>>15627757
Give me a bit to make a gif from the animation frames

Chekhov's gun in some cases quite literally plays a huge part in the guess work as well which was the same as Higurashi. Reading Agatha Christie probably gave me a big primer because she was also a fan of using thematic elements to guide you in the right mindset for the solution without providing overt easy clues.

Death Comes as the End in particularly is a mystery you can solve with pure gut feeling if you are attuned to the themes of the story.

>>15627783
I'm not going feed you the trick, because it can't be appreciated out of context and sounds absurd on its face.

>>15627783
>What was the trick though? Aint gonna do a second readthrough anytime soon.
How do you read 8 episodes of Umineko and don't get the trick?

I mean, I didn't ream them all in a row so I had time to discuss stuff when the episodes were coming out, but I can't imagine reading ep VI and VII and not having the slight idea.

>>15627783

>>15627757
It's shitty but I really don't feel like fucking around with it tonight. I just put the frames from the game data into a gif.

If Ryukishi decided to reveal the truth, what would be the best way to do it?

>>15627738
She would probably just give the people on the island a reason to kill one another, which is pretty easy.

>>15628087
In the manga so he can make good money off of it, which he did already

>>15628087
Make a manga about it.

>>15628087
He did, I have the book.

>>15628087
tfw there is no magic fight about it.
>we get thrown back to the final fight on the golden land on ep8
>Erika has managed to erase 2 or 3 Ushiromiyas but is being pushed back
>they are winning the fight pretty hard on the golden land and Erika seems to stand no chance
>Dlanor and Willard are seem fightning the goats with strong theories in a more isolated area
>they manage to somehow win agaisnt them all
>suddenly, a Golden goat clearly different than the others appears
>procceds to explain and erase both
>saves Erika by erasing the ushiromiyas who were close to finishing her
>explains every single ushiromiya death and erases one by one
>while explaining the truth he finishes by explaining the golden land and making it disappear
>Every single goat can be seem falling into oblivion except one
>golden goat and Erika are floating
>Erika seems to be more irritated that she lost agaisnt a goat than amused
>mercilessly, he explains what happened to her too
>she stops floating and falls down to oblivion
>later on we see golden goat-kun get promoted and congratulated to witch/sorcerer of truth and acquiring an ambiguous human form
Ryukishi always said that he respects people who reached the truth anyway.

>>15628119
Of course he respects suckups.

>>15627783
>Kyrie Eleison
>Lord, have mercy.
>Kyrie
>The Lord

I think Kyrie was actually God, who in all His magnanimousness decided to put the unclean heathens from the Ushiromiya family into a test for redemption. Kyrie used His messengers, Maria and Yasu (it's a reference to Iesu - i.e. our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ) to deliver His message and to put forth the test. However, the Ushiromiyas, being a representation of all the sins, refused to listen to our Lord's merciful message, and thus, sadly, they had to be punished, and Rokkenjima became another Sodom and Gomorrah.

Not all of them were a lost case. There were 2 good sheep who deserved salvation. One of them was Eva. However, she had fallen prey of many sins, and thus, our Lord left her without her Adam. In addition, she had to atone for her sinful ways for the rest of her life. The other survivor was Battler, which would be a representation of Job. At the end, after seeing how the Lord - who all gives - took everything away from him, and accepted it, he was rewarded with a new life. And thus, Battler died, and Tohya was born. Together with his new partner, they write Christian stories to spread the word of our Lord.

As for Ange, she was viral marketing for hamburgers, nothing to see there.

This, my dear friends, is the truth behind Rokkenjima.
>>15627091
>This turd got translated
>Ouka prequel translation NEVER EVER

>>15628195
Because Ouka is shit.

>>15628207
But she's Rika.

>>15628209
And?
Except getting whipped by her father for going in the shrine, she doesn't do much in Higurashi.

>>15627780
I preferred Chiru to the original, too. I also, actually really enjoyed episode 6, which a lot of people seem to hate for some reason. It's probably one of my favorite episodes of the entire thing. I think it's one of the episodes that benefits the most on re-reading once you know who the culprit is.

>>15628377
6 feels like the climax of Chiru for sure. I also really enjoyed it on a second read but it is heart wrenching.

>>15628377
The problem with Umineko is that instead of being spooked for the characters, you're aware that they'll end up dying and you end up not giving a fuck.
At least in Higurashi, you can sympathize.

>>15628195
>Ouka prequel translation NEVER EVER

It hurts.

>>15628406
>what are kakera?
>what is holding out for a miracle ending against all odds?

Its like you didn't even read Higurashi. We were hoping Beato's Endless magic had room for even a single miracle. which it sorta did depending on how you look at it

>>15628440
Nice nails.
I do hope they won't get ripped.

>>15628442
It's difficult to stay hopeful when the game constantly repeat to your face that it's just a murder mystery.
It's like watching a slasher movie while hoping that blonde slut with the mega tits who sleeps with everyone won't die horribly.

>>15628448
Well, all I can say is I disagree and Umineko was about learning to face and deal with a cruel, unavoidable fate and find the magic in it. Its a beautiful read and a beautiful ending and I am certainly glad I held out till the end despite how hopeless it seemed.

>>15628452
Well I disagree.
Umineko has been one of the biggest disappointement I ever had.

>>15628377
EP6 felt like a fanfic, honestly, with romance all over the place, they even forced one scene about love on Erika. Even worse: I hate all the pairings that got focus. And that wedding was the cringiest thing ever, it was like a goddamn mexican telenovela.

>>15628459
He shouldn't have written it with the audience he had. It was shit on Japan even worse than in the west, as most western men hate the ending too.

Umineko was a drama for women with an intellectual/philosophical flair and waifu bait to keep men reading. Honestly it would be a great way to get normie girls into philosophy it sure as hell worked for me.

>>15628195
What was the Ouka thing? Was it actually a VN, a manga or what? Cause if it was a VN, depending on the console it might be hard to make a patch for it.

>>15628489
I'm a girl, I hated the ending and Battler x Yasu sucked.

>>15628492
She only appears in the console exclusive arcs, which is why it hasn't been translated and probably never will be

I don't know how R07 could be so self-aware and expect the ending to be received well. It was fandom-suicide considering his reader base.

>>15628496
I don't habeeb you. Also battler x yasu never really happened. Depending on how you take the escape boat scene it was Battler X "Beatrice" for all of 5 minutes.

>>15628492
>depending on the console
It's in the PS3, DS and PS Vita versions I believe

>>15628489
It's not about being a drama for women or for men thats the problem. The reason why Umineko is polarizing is because of how the story is designed. If you don't approach the story with the right attitude you will end up being disappointed by it if you come with the wrong expectations. I think a lot of people just expected Umineko to be another Higurashi. Postmodern works in general tend to be very polarizing.

>>15628525
The problem is that the "right attitude" there is very specific.
I really didn't appreciate Ryukishi's attitude about it either, at moment, he really sounds like a kid who asks you a difficult question, constantly snickers as you try to find an answer, and repeats "nope, try again" with a huge shit-eating smile as you present a theory.

I'm a man and I loved the ending desu

Does that make me a sissy?

>>15628539
No, that makes you a faggot.
I bet you love ponies and lolipops too.

>>15628525
>post modern
Theres that word again. I would say the only thing novel about it was the use of layers of story and meta, but even that isn't unprecedented

>If you don't approach the story with the right attitude
>>15628536
I can tell you that most women and particularly sensitive and romantic men would pick up on it pretty easily.

>>15628539
Makes you a pure qt bb. Glad some guys out there got it. Are you European by the way? I feel like the French and Italian men were the most receptive to it.

>>15628525
Yeah. I guess if you came expecting mystery and murders, but then the story suddenly shifted to cheesy romance, you probably won't be very happy, specially if you are not a fan of mushy stuff.

>>15628546
>particularly sensitive and romantic men
I'm proud of not being a little oversensitive pussy.

>>15628539
I bet this makes you cry too, you homo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiHA7Aw2GiE

>>15628536
That "right attitude" wasn't very specific at all. What I mean by "right attitude" is that you shouldn't expect the story to spoonfeed you answers, and it should have been quite obvious that the story wasn't going to handhold you by the time you got to episode three. The right attitude for Umineko was to keep an open mind and think for yourself, if you expected the story to all of a sudden break tone and tell you that all of the magic scenes were lies and wastes of time and give you direct answers to everything, then you were obviously going to be disappointed.
>I really didn't appreciate Ryukishi's attitude about it either, at moment, he really sounds like a kid who asks you a difficult question, constantly snickers as you try to find an answer, and repeats "nope, try again" with a huge shit-eating smile as you present a theory.
Where'd you get the tone froml? Many people have said that Ryukishi is quite the humble guy once you meet him, and he always seems very passionate and nice in interviews.

>>15628561
>Where'd you get the tone froml?
Oh, so you can't read. Good to know.

>>15628561
I think he just meant the tone that ryukishi put in the story, not him in real life.

>>15628565
>>15628568
>Can't handle some mild goat bantz.
I thought it was affectionate desu. you don't have to get so triggered for not being his ideal reader.

>>15628557
feels well up tbqh.

>>15628561
>Many people have said that Ryukishi is quite the humble guy once you meet him
The guy is almost impossibly sweet and kind IRL, its weird to think some of the twisted and cruel shit comes out of his mind when you meet him. I spoke to him a signature request in Japanese and he didn't act patronizing or draw attention to it like most Japs would, he just said "はい、分かりました" and smiled.

Anyone have that picture of the guy who looks like an IRL Kinzo saved? I think he was a priest.

>>15628584
All I can think of is the sean connery one

>>15628546
Postmodernism isn't typically defined by how 'original' a story is, but more by it's unconventionality. A lot of traits shared by typical postmodern stories, (unreliable narrator, blending reality and fantasy, metafiction), are also shared by Umineko.

>>15628507
She gets a mention in Kai ending and Rei, since Rika is her reincarnation.

>>15628609
I know what you meant, and mincing terms I still think the only thing unconventional was the metafiction taken to its extreme level. They other elements aren't even unconventional to the mystery genre.

Also being as its a VN its sort of unfair to call it postmodern when its hard for it to behave conventionally in the first place.

>>15624735
Previous thread
>>15603191

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy7kP3S_JOs
Why is there a Higurashi mahjong game, but no Umineko chess game? It would have fit perfectly

>>15628546
From Denmark, senpai.
I was insanely anti-romance and anti-magic when I started out reading it, but honestly, the ending was beautiful as fuck. The boat scene is one of the most feelsy and amazing moments I've ever read.

>>15628557
Getting the chills now desu

>tfw just discovered R07's lewd art
I feel violated desu

>>15628661
I agree, when Erika is purging the filthy unbelievers it gave my a justice boner as well

So, anything new to read?

>>15629141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeUGLAzdRLI

Trianthology soon

translation never

>>15627750
I don't think this is hatred but just some guys spreading some shitty baits all over the thread to catch something, suspiciously just like that damn raging complainer from last thread, and even if that's true who cares? They can't take away the enjoyment you had with this VN from you just with that. The thread is moving, and that's the point of this discussion, to keep the interest alive and have fun.
>I actually consider Umineko a masterpeice and prefer it to Higurashi
I prefer Higurashi over Umineko. I'm not saying you're wrong about the master piece part, both are very great pieces of work that can stand on their own, just sharing my opinion. I have a nice special bond with it. The drama and comedy was outstanding, and forgive me for this, but I think the characters were more likable than Umineko. I loved every single one of them, yeah, even the poor Tomitake heh. It also takes one of my favorites topics, that it's friendship, and makes a huge entertaining story around it. Simple but huge, my number one.
>>15628496
Well, I'm afraid you suffer from shit taste. Although I gree about the Battler x Yasu thing being a little plain, which it was a disapoinment. Every little story has it flaws, some people just get stuck on them and forget the others good things about the story I guess, but that's not enough reasons to call it bad.
>>15628539
>desu
I'm a honest person and as the honest person that I am, I'm going to give you the most honest answer an honest person like me can give: Yeah, honestly, you're a faggot.

>>15628646
That's an amazing idea and I can't believe it hasn't been made yet. I'm actually quite good playing chess, though I hate when I lose. A lot.

>>15628103
Anything interesting you can tell me about this book? I'm curious.
>>15629223
>translation never
Implying

>>15627130
Fransisca von Karma?

>>15629371
Putting aside the hair color I don't see the resemblance.

>>15627303
It should have ended like that, one of the many dead worlds.

>>15628592
?_?

>>15628515
Did you not read the manga?

THINGS R07 SHOULD HAVE DONE TO MAKE UMINEKO BETTER

>make the adults the main characters
Yes, that is right. Fucking sick of the cousins and Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice getting all the spotlight. "Wahh, I am a confused teenager" "I won't be like my parents durr hurr" "Muh love" "Muh furniture" I. Don't. Care. Fuck off.
I want to see more of Krauss and Rudolf acting like jerks, more of Eva acting like an insufferable whore, more of Rosa's parenting skills, more of Kyrie's thug yakuza behavior, more of Natsuhi's inferiority complex and more of Hideyoshi being....Hideyoshi.

>tone down on the romance theme
At least on the kids' part.
Why couldn't we get more Krauss + Natsuhi and Eva + Hideyoshi sweet moments?
Why couldn't we get more Rudolf + Kyrie cool/sexy moments?

>cut out the meta and magic parts
Episode 1 was literally perfect. Found it very spooky and got chills down my spine through the whole thing. The whole confusion, the paranoia, the fear. PERFECT.

>>15629726
I'm bored of you.

>>15629726
>>cut out the meta and magic parts
This straight up re-writes most of the game.

So your basically saying he should have written something else?

>>15629738
He just wants umineko: higurashi edition

>>15629738
Yes, wasted potential the whole thing. I am sad that a series that began this good went down the shitter so quickly. The only thing that kept me reading is because I was interested in the characters.....not the main ones, couldn't give a shit about Yasu or the other mains. If anything, I wanted those stupid kids to suffer more.

>>15629746
Yeah, pretty much. Umineko is finished, if they're not happy with what they got what are they even here?

>>15629752
Move on then. There's a lot of VN around for your enjoyment.

>>15629746
Not quite. Higurashi left a bad impression on me too. Good first 3 arcs than the answer arcs, god...terrible. Especially the last chapter. Kids defeating soldiers with the power of friendship. God, what in the fuck was I reading?
Not to mention the necessary bad childhood cliche for Takano. Horrible.

>>15629755
By this logic, why are you here kid? After all, it is finished. Oh you want to share your opinion? So do I. Now fuck off.

>>15629792
>Higurashi left a bad impression on-
Stopped reading right there. You're just here to bait. Bye.

>>15629792
Honestly it sounds like your looking for what you want in the wrong places. Maybe try more conventional murder mysteries?

>>>/lit/

>>15629769
Not really. Most are generic trash. And this is why I hate When They Cry even more....because I genuinely enjoyed some part of it. It had the potential to be excellent. Both Higurashi and Umineko but they ended up disappointing me.

>>15629801
>everything I don't agree with must be bait!
Nice defense mechanism but accept it. There are lots of opinions in this world and you and I have opposing ones. That simple. Grow up.

>>15629831
no1 cares nerd

>>15629831
The problem is that your opinions are retarded. You wanted Higurashi to be Saw and you wanted Umineko to be And Then There Were None

>>15629954
There are really people liking Saw?

>>15628496
I'm a girl too and you're a faggot.

>>15629831
If you hate WTC, then why are you here?

>>15629641
THAT DESIRE

>>15629954
I just don't like idiotic and pointless genre shifts. Higurashi started out as horror and ended up as what....kids defeating soldiers with Home Alone-tier tactics? Fucking forced. If R07 wanted a happy ending, at least he should have put some more effort into it.

So no, I wanted Higurashi to be Higurashi and Umineko to be Umineko, as in they were in the their question arcs. But R07 shit up both with the answer arcs.

>>15630111
Because it is a WTC thread???

>>15630164
>kids defeating soldiers with Home Alone-tier tactics
That's very good.

>>15629641

>>15630164
>Umineko to be Umineko, as in they were in the their question arcs
Didn't you just say that you wanted Umineko without the meta stuff? The thing that was there for more than half of the Question Arc?

Was wondering when the Umineko haters would show up.

Honestly, many (not all) people who don't like it just aren't fans of the genre. Detective-type stories are meant to be read twice before you really understand them, and it's clear from the comments here that several anti-Umi readers consider it an insult to be forced to figure stuff out on your own.

That's fine, it's a long series and I can understand not wanting to read it all twice. But I don't think Ryuukishi did anything less than what he set out to do.

As a side note, before we even criticize the answer, it sounds like most people here haven't even gotten close to solving it, both on the pro and anti Umi sides. The EP8 manga includes many "answers", but less than half of the complete solution.

>>15630252
If you don't canonically state the solution, there is no solution, no matter what theory you have proposed.

>>15630252
>but less than half of the complete solution.
You sure about that? It's been a while since I've read it, but I remember it being pretty straightforward about everything

>>15630273
1. That's just not true. An author can have an answer solvable by the story and just choose never to publish it.

2. The manga is canon.

Why do they try so hard to make Rosa unlikable? It feels to me like the author of this is an autist who got """bullied""" by his mum and decided to take his frustrations out on a fictional character. Do they actually expect me to believe that just because she isn't nice to her autistic daughter 100% of the time she deserves to get tortured over and over in multiple episodes?

>>15630288
Then the answer proposed is merely a theory, not a solvable answer. Someone could look at the same questions as you and come up with a different answer. Until a solution is published, they are both valid. Hence no, you have no found a 'solution' and anons who read through Umineko + manga have about the same grasp as you.

>>15630306
Rosa and Maria's relationship is a pretty tortuous one. I don't think the authors personnel experiences are present in either one really, but I defiantly think that the resolution is depressing.

>>15630273
One of the requirements for a good detective novel, as stated by both Knox and Van Dine, is that it be solvable before reading the last chapter. By definition, if you've followed those rules, there should be only one solution that you can know is true (or in Umineko's case, "the mystery answer"), even without the reveal.

>>15630164

>>15630322
>Until a solution is published
But the solution was published in the last Episode of the manga

>>15630322
>Until a solution is published, they are both valid.

No. If the piece of work is meant to have a correct answer, then regardless of whether or not it is published, the author has still established a single ultimate truth. Any theories are valid interpretations, but they are not valid truths until confirmed by the author. Regardless, there is still a single truth unless otherwise stated. There's no need to take philosophical jumps here to redefine the reality of a piece of artwork that is meant to have a solution.

>>15630344
Wasn't that anon saying that the Ep8 Manga + the VN still isn't "The" solution?

>>15630347
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a lot of Umineko about multiple truths coexisting?

>>15630252
can you help explain it for the people that havent solved it yet?

>>15630358
In a way, but there is still a single truth to the tragedy no matter what that no doubt was conceived by Ryukishi. The gameboards aren't Rokkenjima Prime, and even they have single truths behind them.

>>15630252
>Detective-type stories are meant to be read twice before you really understand them
That's complete and utter bullshit.

>>15630375
Christ I thought we spent an entire game saying "What happened on Rokkenjima didn't matter" because it's in the past, and now the future get's to define it.

what did she mean by this

>>15630358
It was, but then the manga made that impossible

>>15630379
Yes, that's a part of the morals of the story, but there's still a truth to what happened, just like there are still truths to the games in 1 - 6. Also, let me say that what I was saying in >>15630347 is a general idea that applies to any work that proposes a mystery and has a solution to it, and I was responding to that other Anon's assumptions about there not being a solution if not published to the public.

>>15630398
>but there's still a truth to what happened
Care to share anon?

Taking a close look at that Ryuukishi interview about the EP8 manga, he's really only saying that the "episodes/scenes involving Yasu" are true answers. That whole paragraph is just talking about the secrets of Yasu as a character, not the specific solutions for the crimes of each game. And stuff like the scene showing Erika's solution of EP5 doesn't involve Yasu in any way. Which is good, since that answer, at least, makes no sense as canon.

>>15630415
>since that answer, at least, makes no sense as canon.
Why not?

>>15630198
Even with the meta and magic garbage, episodes 2-4 weren't so bad as Chiru. Of course, my perfect Umineko would be like episode 1 from beginning to end.

>>15630252
Before you want a solution, you should clarify what exactly is the mystery, ergo what is the question that needs to be answered.
What exactly is the mystery in Umineko?
Beatrice's identity? Or who is the killer - if there is even one? Or just generally what happened on Rokkenjima that day?
The problem is R07 lures us into a trap when we think the story is about what happened that day. He never intended to tell us that. The story is about who is Beatrice and what is her relation to Battler. That is all.

>>15630306
Rosa is one of my favorites, I really think she is the most innocent character in the whole series.

My question would be, why does R07 want us to like Yasu and Maria so much? Can't stand those two retards.

>>15630443
>He never intended to tell us that.
Except he did, in the manga

>>15630306
Been a while since I read umineko, but what scenes are you talking about? The only scene I remember vividly of Rosa getting tortured was that scene in ep 4 with Witch-Maria killing Rosa over and over again, but that was just Maria's fantasy so it made sense. There could've been another one at the end of episode 2, but I vaguely remember it. I need to re-read Umineko sometime.

I think the story doesn't go out of its way to make Rosa unlikable, I think all of her actions in the story are justified due to her circumstances. I don't think she totally didn't care about Maria, I think she did care, but at the same time she felt embarrassed and shamed about Maria. There were two contradictory feelings inside of her, she wanted to care for Maria, but at the same time she felt that Maria was dragging her down.

I remember the ending of episode two (re-reading this part now because I just thought about it) really emphasized this point. Rosa and Maria are running away from the goats , and Rosa tells Maria that she feels bad about not being a good mother to her, about not caring for her well and not giving her much attention. Maria replies that although there is a 'good Mama' and a 'bad Mama' she recognizes that Rosa is just one person, and is able to accept that.

Man, I can't believe I didn't pay attention to that part before. Re-reading this is incredible.

>>15630443
I agree, EP1 is the best EP. The solutions for all the other EPs depend on you understanding EP1 first, which is why they feel like they don't make sense on their own.

EP1 can be solved by itself. It has to be, to satisfy the Knox Rules when meta-Beatrice challenges us to solve it in the Tea Party. Why would Ryuukishi challenge us to solve it then if it's unsolvable?

For all the other EPs, we can't be sure if they're supposed to be solvable by themselves, or only with information from previous Episodes. But in EP1, it's nice and simple.

>>15630460
>just accepting it without questioning
You didn't learn anything, do you?

>>15630472
Yeah, lots of people ignore that EP1 is the base of everything and it just gets forgotten since there are no epic fantasy fights in it.

>>15630464
Man, that entire scene in itself symbolizes the guilt Rosa feels about Maria. I should have paid a lot more attention to this on my first read.

>>15630509
What do you mean? Bern says in red that it's true, so why wouldn't I accept it?

>>15630464
Then they die, and that character development never happens.

Shit like that is why I'm luke warm about Umineko.

>>15630521
That bit's talking about the answer to Rokkenjima Prime found in Eva's diary, right? What does that have to do with the answer to Yasu's message bottles?

Also, I love how a picture of Rudolf and Kyrie covered in blood has everyone convinced that they murdered everyone. Isn't that one of the easiest tricks in the mystery genre?

>>15630407

>>15630537
The same shit happens in Higurashi you autist. It isn't until the very end that the characters fully develop.

>>15630552
Did you even read the manga? Or are you just that stupid? Or are you just that much of a fucking denialfaggot?

>>15630521
"This is all truth" can be misleading. Sure, you can use red but it is still vague. Add to that the fact that it is Bern that says it.....

>>15630554
In Higurashi they remember.

In Umineko you are talking to corpses the whole time.

>>15630552
>answer to Yasu's message bottles

Good thing the manga shows that too

>>15630553

>>15630552
Oh, I thought you meant what really happened, not the forgeries

>>15630562
Read the manga. Featherine says very clearly in the red that Eva's diary contains the true events of that day.
Later, Rudolf and Kyrie acknowledge that they commited the murders.

>>15630567

>>15630572
Yasu also acknowledges that she committed the murders. Surely she had some reason for doing that.

>>15630573

>>15630579

>>15630578
Yasu acknowledges that she was the cause of the tragedy. If she hadn't egged them on, the tragedy wouldn't have occurred.

>>15630583

>>15630593

>>15630586
She does that after Ange's already read the diary, and won't believe anything else. Before that, Yasu claims to be the culprit herself.

So the fragment with Rudolf and Kyrie was correct? With Eva being the sole survivor.

>>15630597

>>15630562
No, it's definitely true. Ange reads it from Eva's diary

>>15630564
Did you even read Umineko or Higurashi?
The characters don't remember until episode 6 in Higurashi (not counting Rika), and when the next world comes along, they forget again.

It's exactly the same in Umineko, except in Umineko they all remember everything.

>>15630608

>>15630537
Umineko is much more cynical compared to Higurashi in that regard, but that's kind of why I like it more. It had an element of tragedy to it. The characters in Umineko all feel guilty for their wrongs, but none of them are able to fully atone for it. The most we can do for the characters is recognize the fact that they felt guilty about what they did, and move on.

>>15630614

>all these idiots believing the manga
If it isn't in the game then it didn't happen. How retarded can you morons be? R07 only made that piece of shit to calm down the hordes of autists who must have a true answer!!!444 and can't think for themselves. I'll say it in fucking gold: [IF IT ISN'T IN THE GAME IT DIDN'T HAPPEN]

>>15630622

>>15630612
Sorry, going to clarify what I meant. I meant to say that they all remember everything in episode 8, and they truly progress as characters.

does anybody have that greentext about that guy who was depressed,found umineko, and without any art skills decided to draw Beatrice. 3-4 years later the portrait is finished and he often has seances with it?

Since it's Eva's diary we're talking about, Bern's red only guarantees that she gave an accurate account of what Eva saw and believed. But Eva didn't see any of the murders committed, except the ones she committed and possibly Rosa (the details on Rosa are vague in the manga).

>>15630627
Oh this explain why no one could recognize Battler-Prime after he survived, he gave his jacket to Shannon, who drowned.

>>15630612
>except in Umineko they all remember everything.
If you believe they resurrect at the end. Because frankly episode 8 was unreliable

And they all remember in the end. And have character growth. In Umineko, they are corpses forever.

>>15630616
I would be fine with a tragedy. But the shit with Ange is just depressing.

>>15630626
Keep being in denial, faggot. Autists like you that squirm after your theory has been proven wrong are truly the best to watch struggle.

>>15630626
>Hurr he's tricking us!!! Again!!!

You fucking retards wouldn't believe him if it came from his own lips. He's not a fucking genius and he's not infallible. Get over it. It's been six years and still there's nothing. Do you just think he's suddenly going to come out and rewrite his entire story to satisfy you?

>>15630630
>does anybody have that greentext about that guy who was depressed,found umineko, and without any art skills decided to draw Beatrice. 3-4 years later the portrait is finished and he often has seances with it?

I think i saw it posted 2-3 times around here

>>15630637
>>15630636
Chapter 37 of the manga is not Eva Diary, although it contains part of it.

It's literally Yasu last day on Rokkenjima.

>>15630636
See >>15630609

>>15630630

>>15630648

>>15630656

>>15630640
>>15630642
>believing an author like this who constantly fucks over his readers
Little mongrels like you should go back to playing rock paper scissors.
But you know what, have a little truth:
Neither Kyrie, Rudolf of Yasu had anything to do with the murders. Now back to doing your homework, kids.

>>15630626
>Erika poster
Now everything makes sense.

>>15630666
Pls.

>>15630664

>>15630666
Fuck off, Satan. It was said in the red text. If you think the red text is unreliable then you're a fucking idiot who's precious little theory got denied and now your buttblasted about it.

Revise your retarded theory.

>>15630652
I really want a Beato portail for my house.

>>15630593
She literally says right here that she's Shannon and Kanon. Why are some people still denying it?

>the catbox at the end was the catbox Battler and Beatrice fought in

...But before, on the landing dock she mentioned countless sins she committed. So it's a closed loop? She commits the sins, get's trapped underwater, and so she commits the sins?

>>15630698
Shits and giggles, but mostly giggles. Look at this retard >>15630666 You can't take it seriously.

>>15630692
Dont we all? I wonder how much would it cost to get it painted? I'm probably gonna get one when im 40-60

>>15630691
>implying manga can be trusted
I swear, you little sheepies are fucking dumbasses with your hivemind thinking. Is it in the VN? No. Back to fapping to 2hu you smelly virgin.

>>15630704
I think the sins she's referring to when she talks to Battler are all the murder plans she wrote

>>15630704
It's a reference of this, because of Lambda powers, all her "tales" became fragments.

>>15630676

>>15630730
>write murder fantasy's
>a witch comes down and grants them all
>sweating Beatrice.jpg

>>15630735

>>15630740

>>15630743

>>15630748
BOMBA

>>15630743
Aniki? He means Georges?

Did Battler ever jerk off to her real mom? I mean he didn't know the story.....

>>15630756

Rudolf and Kyrie are fucking faggots

>>15630767

>>15630765
Probably not considering the grudging respect. Which I imagine was once pure hate.

Although Kyrie is a straight fucking pyscho. I'm amazed that BB wasn't a thing that actually happened

>>15630649
I don't see your point. It says the truth is written down there. It doesn't say that all of the truth is written down there. We know for a fact that the whole truth isn't written in the diary, since it couldn't possibly mention Battler's escape (how would Eva know about that?)

So, the diary tells us nothing about what happened outside of Eva's line of sight.

>Kanon and Shannon are brown-haired
>Beatrice is blonde
>never explained
BEST
WRITER
EVER

>>15629275
baka desu senpai

Hello weeabos do you fuck your anime girls?

>>15630783
>>15630783
She wears a wing, you dummy.

If you want a plot hole explain how no one notices Beatrice is ASIAN.

>>15630792
>She wears a wing
>WEARS
>A
>WING
So she's half-chicken?

>>15630792

>>15630792
EXPERT
MAKEUP

Although I'm still freaked out by the Fascist-incest.

Especially the Fascist part. Her grandmother was an ITALIAN FASCIST. That gold is probably nicked from all over Europe.

>>15630796
>Doesn't know about the popular half man/half seagull theory

>>15630792
Technically "Beatrice" only existed in costume once (discounting scenes of her roleplaying with Maria). Battler was easily able to recognize it as Shannon, and all the adults were overwhelmed by the sight of so much gold that they didn't give a shit about what she looked like.

>>15630783
Manga says it's a blonde wig, which would fit in with the "let me be the one you desire, blonde and bouncy" line, though Lion's blonde. Someone in an earlier thread postulated that it's because the Lion fragment is a different fragment, meaning his hair could have been blonde by chance but in reality was brown.

Serious question guys!

Would you fuck any anime girl?
All anime grills are beautiful!!

Pic related

>>15630790
>>15630810
Hu-uh.

>>15630804

>>15630780
But Bern confirms in red that everything she showed Ange was true. It's even more or less confirmed in Episode 7's Tea Party, when Bern says that there was no Game Master

>>15630807
>Ryukishi's VN was so shitty he had to rely on the manga to complete his uncomplete, half-assed abortion of a VN

>>15630774
They did nothing wrong.

>>15630777
>grudge fap
That is like....really good.

>Although Kyrie is a straight fucking pyscho.
Nah, she is just your average yakuza thug. Though pretty smart and hot, to top it off.

>>15630810
No, I have a bf and husbando. Now fuck off.

>>15630805
>>15630807
Ange and Battler have red hairs, Jessica is blonde, etc. I don't think you can thrust the sprite too much regarding hairs.

Lion would probably look like Kanon/Shanon with long hairs.

>>15630822
Which panel in that page you posted shows Rudolf or Kirie killing anyone?

>>15630830

>>15630830
>>15630807

>>15630834
>BattlerxBeatrice will never be canon

>>15630833
Take a look at the bottom

inb4 >that doesn't show the actual killing! It's a trick!

That's conspiracy theorist denial logic

>>15630833
He can't prove it because they really didn't kill anyone.

>>15630823
Nah, it was just the obnoxious fanbase that wanted a definite answer. So R07 being the cuck he is, granted them the miracle they have been waiting for.

>>15630833
It doesn't show it directly, but Ange says that she's seen it before, and she obviously means the Tea Party. Also, why would Ange react like this if it wasn't them?

>>15630838
>People still think this is a girl's body

>>15630851
>>15630852
>>15630851
When Yasu wakes up in the gold chamber, all the adults are here (including Eva, she passed out), but Kyrie and Rudolf.

>>15630851
I like you. You're a funny person even though you are completely wrong.

Only Yasu's genitals were destroyed, his butthole still was intact, whats the big deal?
Baka should have just made himself known

>>15630852
Bern mindfucked her and everyone else keeps bullying her because they think Kyrie and Rudolf are murderers.

>>15630846
Stop being a lazy piece of shit and give us proof already. Not that it matters, since it is a manga and not the game but still, at least put some effort intro your trolling.

>>15630878
>>15630885

Pfff! what the fuck is happening on this thread? I smell oldfags around. They are the only ones with enough experience capable of this faggotry.

>>15630851
>Ryukishi can't fucking write a decent conclusion
>"WAAAA THAT'S THE FANBASE FAULT"

>>15630852
Exactly. Check the EP7 Tea Party and use our normal Umineko logic on it, i.e. assume that perspective is only as reliable as the people who see things.

As for there being no Game Master, that just means no one intended for things to turn out the way they did. That certainly seems to fit with the first part of that Tea Party.