/jp/ - Otaku Culture

mentanpin a best

riichi 3 ura-dora a best

junchan sanshoku iipeikou a best

>2 turns

>Managed to weasel a second place out of my last two games even though I played awfully

I feel a bit guilty about it. In the last game I dropped as low as 900 points in S3 before making a 20k points comeback.

What's the closest western playing card game I can play to mahjong?

I love mahjong, but I want to be able to play with real friends and real people and I don't have weeaboo friends.

>>15548259
Some variant of Rummy. Maybe Gin Rummy?

>>15548283
As someone who came to mahjong from Rummy, I'd say it's like a super easy version where the everyone's waits are generally super obvious. It's very boring whether everyone knows what they're doing or not.

>>15548538
Are you talking about mahjong or rummy?

>>15548556
Rummy.

>>15548538
what makes mahjong better?

>>15548259
You could still try introducing them to it.

Anybody else digging the time attack mini game in tenhou?

>>15546467
if someone is interested, on amazon.co.jp pretty much all MJ sets are on sale, even washizu one

>>15549018
I tried getting the one that was nearly $200 off but they wouldn't accept my filthy gaijin address.

Playing this game makes me think I'm a masochist.

>>15550136
I know that feel

I've been drinking more because of it too

>A shirouto walks into joukyuu
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071804gm-0089-0000-d7c5552f&tw=1
Why must this game be so demoralizing?

>>15550349
I wonder how much R he got off that.

>>15548718
More to keep track, points system makes hand building more interesting, risk assessment. It's all around better.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071616gm-0029-0000-249d1764&tw=2&ts=8

>draw 2s
>discard 4s

What?

>>15548718
Mahjong has far greater dynamics and varied play.

who sanshoku doukou here

Let's go with a hypothetical scenario. It''s 9 turns into a hand, and you're in 2shanten. You have a hand that's good enough to push with, imagine whatever you want to imagine. Make it a yakuman if you like.

The 2 tiles you need to cut to hit tenpai aren't equally dangerous. You have reason to suspect that one is fairly dangerous and you could deal in.
Do you:

a) discard the dangerous one first, seeing as it will only become more dangerous later on, and it might pass if you push right now; or,
b) discard the one that's safer, waiting to see if someone else deals the dangerous one, either dealing in or giving you a chance to discard it yourself

I know it's a pretty worthless hypothetical scenario since there's no context, but I want to hear others' thoughts.

>>15551908
It depends on the "dangerous" tile. If it's a 5man close to the dora, then I hang onto it based on the danger. If it's a wind/dragon, I probably toss it first

>>15551908
You are oversimplifying the situation too much. Can't answer.

>>15551908
It depends on the tile. Does the most dangerous tile help my ukeire at all? If neither affects my speed and I'm going to push for sure, then I'd rather drop the more dangerous tile first. It might not actually be dangerous at the moment and it will only get more dangerous if it stays in my hand, whereas the tile I feel is less dangerous or mostly safe will stay that way in most cases.

Having my overflow tile be safe is a big advantage because it means, if I hit tenpai, I'll have a chance to win for at least one turn before I have to deal any other potentially dangerous tiles. Sometimes that window is all it takes to separate a hand you win from a hand you can never win due to being unable to deal a certain tile.

>>15551908
If possible, discard tiles that are both useless and dangerous earlier. If possible, that is.

Otherwise, it's too late.

>>15551908
I'd cut it sooner rather than later. If I'm gonna deal in, might as well rip off the bandaid than peeling it off.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071812gm-0029-0000-x4e37d7d6f46f&tw=1

>make retarded move
>still win in the end

>>15550349
Wew, I think D is me

>1:0

>>15551428
>points leader had over 51,000
>no shits given

>>15553671
Oh no it's not
Had a similar game nonethless, ended up third with 25400 points
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071716gm-00c1-0000-d09f7959&tw=0

>>15553817
so it really does exist

Great game, whoever played just now. Probably the most intense game in 7447 ever.

>>15554168

gg.

I didn't deserve that win.

>>15554168
Probably the same for me. Felt like the game had everything -- everyone had a taste of the lead at some point in the game, game ended in West rounds, Saber was down 30k from all of us at one point in S3 and still pulled a gyakuten with a mean suji trap in the end. I also had a kokushi iishanten at some point in S4 and if Saber didn't tsumo I would've drawn both tiles I needed. What a roller coaster ride.

I just gave up my south 4 dealer turn trying to assist the hon itsu of the guy in 4th just to spite a guy who I played with months ago that dropped out after dealing in once both then and now.

I even let him call the red 5 to ensure he didn't need a direct hit.

He didn't even get to tenpai.

Last 4675 games: 22.65% 1st, 25.60% 4th.

Fuck tenhou.

>>15554733
I'm 1300R. I'm an awful scrub. Please help.

>>15554998
How's that even possible? Are you losing games on purpose?

>>15555011
No.

>>15554998
I'm pretty scrubby myself. Ironically I dominate when playing live.

>>15555305
>Ironically I dominate when playing live.

So you're playing against bigger scrubs?

>>15554998
I was serious about that ask for help.

>>15555678
Have you learned nothing over 4.5k games? Done no research? Watched no replays?

>>15555693
I'm not the 4.5k games Anon. I have maybe 300 total games. I've been read that book everyone keeps suggesting, but I just can't seem to put it all together.

Do you think it's better to push the higher value hand instead of going through safe route to tenpai?

He aimed for pinfu, got tenpai 1 turn later, and ended up in a draw round.

>>15555712
By aimed for pinfu, I mean 1s discard.

>>15555705
Then you haven't really played a lot and shouldn't be worried that your Rate is low. That's normal. If you try to read up on advanced concepts, they'll probably go over your head. Your best route to improving is tile efficiency, learning when to betaori, and memorizing all the yaku.

>>15555712
I think I'd rather go for the sanshoku personally.

>>15555705
Just keep on going, you'll learn from experience.

If you want me to sum up what I think is important to stop losing so much, I'd say there's three stages to defense.

1) Learn when to fold. Don't push shit hands. Always weight your hand against the potential hand you could be dealing into

2) Learn how to defend. Suji, but not always suji. Learn about kabe, see in what order the person you're defending against discarded the tiles, try to figure out what kind of shape he's aiming for.

3) This is the tricky one, but there's a lot of info you can gather from opponents calls, and the tile they deal right away. It's more advanced, but try to figure out what kind of shape he had before calling, and build what his hand looks like in your head. It's a lot of things to keep track of, since you have to do this actively and before you even start thinking about defense.

Tile efficiency and preventing other players from winning are what I'd call offense, but I'd say it's less necessary for last place avoidance.

But don't forget that at the end of the day, if you're plain unlucky, there's not that much you can do.

>>15555735
I get betaori and suji, I've memorized the yaku. I feel like I'm just stuck. I got to 1kyu, went into that other room and keep getting dominated.

>>15555735
What are considered advanced concepts? When should I start learning those?

>>15555938
http://justanotherjapanesemahjongblog.blogspot.com/p/list-of-defence-theory-articles.html

I'd consider some of these defensive concepts to be a bit advanced for the beginner. You can learn them whenever you feel comfortable doing so, but like with the big pdf book, some of them might be hard for you to understand if you aren't experienced enough.

Different people will struggle with different things, so it's hard to give a definitive answer.

>>15555693
You are suppose to climb with 23.60% 1st and 25.00% 4th, going from 6 to 7 or higher. This is what makes the climb extremely grindy.

When players here show they hit 6 Dan, I look at their stats to determine whether they can climb higher or not. If they already max out at 26% or higher, there is no way they go further.

I've done my research but on a different level beyond your understanding.

>>15556631
Thank you for the enlightenment but I'm not sure why you responded to someone who mistakenly thought the person with 4.5k games was R1300.

>>15554733
>>15554998
Post replays.

>>15555712
If you go for sanshoku then you lock yourself into needing the 2s. Calling for it would reduce your hand to 2000 points. Going for menpin lets you wait on more tiles and has a higher expected value thanks to tsumo and uradora.

>>15556835
How does a hand with less han have a higher expected value?

>>15556876
Riichi. Expected value is also calculated from the probability of winning.

>>15556906
You can't riichi, tsumo, or get ura dora with sanshoku?

>>15556923
If you go for sanshoku then in all likelihood you'd either chii the 2s or you'd end up in tenpai waiitng on it. If you riichi, it's highly unlikely for anyone to deal in, and it's still unlikely for you to tsumo. Sure, you could get lucky and get pinfu with sanshoku (in which case you'd dama), but that's not going to happen often over the long run.

If you abandon sanshoku then you get a reliable riichi pinfu with much higher chances of tsumo.

>>15556989
There's still three 2s, so drawing it yourself isn't unlikely nor impossible. It's also very hard for anyone else to use them because three of the 3s are gone, so the possibility that someone will deal it isn't out of the question either, especially if they riichi.

>>15557022
Only three tiles out of sixty, plus you limit your ukeire to reach tenpai in the first place. And when there's a 3s kabe, it's not uncommon for another player to have a pair or even triplet of 2s.

It's only E4 and the points are all still very close. You don't need to push yourself for an unlikely big hand. It's better to go for the more likely hand to cut off first's dealer turn and build a buffer against last.

>>15557080
You don't limit your ukeire that severely. Discarding 1s is 9 tiles, discarding 8m is 6 tiles. Three tiles is a decent amount but hardly the line between possible and impossible. Sanshoku is not unlikely at all in this scenario. It's less likely than pinfu, perhaps, but that's about it.

>>15557239
Discarding 1s puts you in iishanten waiting on 36p3679s, of which there are sixteen left. Discarding 8s waits on 36p237s, of which only 36p2s give you sanshoku, and there are only ten of those left. That's a huge difference, especially at iishanten.

Even if it's not impossible, it's unlikely and unnecessary.

>>15557684
Not sure why you're trying to 'correct' me on what tiles give you sanshoku while overlooking the fact that only 13 tiles of those 16 give you pinfu. Which is, again, a difference of 3 tiles compared to sanshoku.

>>15557684
Except only 13 of those 16 tiles give you pinfu. Which is, again, a difference of three tiles.

>>15557743
If you want to bring it down to semantics, then fine. I'm not arguing in favour of pinfu itself, I'm arguing for the wider iishanten which will most likely also give pinfu, as opposed to the narrower iishanten for an unlikely sanshoku. And again, even a difference of three tiles is huge at iishanten.

>>15557775
I don't think we're going to settle the speed versus value debate tonight, and at this point, we're just going to start going in circles. So we'll just have to agree to disagree for now.

Mukoubuchi Cup Group A seems to be live now. Group A lasts from 7/19 ~ 7/24 and transfers 2% of your score, Group B lasts from 7/25 ~ 7/30 and transfers 5% of your score. Final stage is 7/31 ~ 8/4. Playing 12 times in tonpussen gets you a Kai background, playing 12 times in three player gets you a cityscape background.

Also on 7/31 is the Mukoubuchi high rate table, which is 3 player only and has a rate of 1 = 40g. Which seems like a great idea if you like setting fire to large piles of your chips.

Good luck if anyone else is playing in it.

>>15558032
First game, first hand.

>>15555705
>>15554998
Not enough information
Post your stats and answer some questions:
Do you know all yaku and their values? You absolutely need to know them before reading Daina's book. Yakuman are optional
Do you know how to be efficient with your discards? Daina Chiba talks about efficiency a lot and his five groups rule is pretty neat
Do you know how and when to defend? Suji? Kabe?

>>15558032
Small correction to this, it's only Group B that gives you the backgrounds. So if you just want those, wait until that starts.

>>15554998
If you've been playing for only 1-2 years so far, then don't even worry about your R. Play and learn.

Here's something I don't understand as a relatively new player.

When is it okay to Kan?

>>15559506
When you stand to gain more from it than the other players.

>>15559506
Rinshan kaihou.

>>15559517
If only I were Saki. I seriously never know if it's okay to Kan or not, so I always end up just not doing it, barring trying to rinshan.

>>15559520
Generally it's used when you're in aggressive mode and you have good, winnable hand. For me,
>call for independent meld, not something like 122223
>call when close to tenpai or during tenpai. Again, see above
>maybe call early when the meld is dora. Even open call, if you want to make bold move and there's surefire yaku you can get
You can also use kan call defensively. For example, when your opponent is in riichi and he'll get last tile, you can call kan to prevent haitei.

>>15559506
almost never. You should do it when you need point nd it's closed before a riichi, so you can get another uradora

>>15559506
Who are you benefiting the most? Kan adds 4 new dora and 4 new ura dora. If you haven't called riichi and you aren't close to tenpai, then it doesn't specifically benefit you, other than getting another draw. If someone else called riichi and you haven't, then kan clearly works in their favor more than it does in yours.

If you called riichi and get a chance to kan, then, sure, go for it. And I'd say that if you're in tenpai, even without riichi, it could be okay to kan, even if someone else called riichi.

>>15546467
3.0

My god, this was really stressful.

1:4

Why did they stop making mahjong anime?

>>15559506
>When is it okay to Kan?
Like many things to this game. Your points will tell you.

If you have the lead, you don't do it and give others the chance to benefit from kandora at all. Even if you are tenpai with a shot at rinshan.

On the other hand, if you are in a points deficit, you'll desperately need that chance at both kandora and/or rinshan. Especially in 4th place late in the game, the benefit outweighs the risk.

>>15560870
Fad's over.

>>15560870
They're waiting for Washizu to croak and Akagi season 2 to happen, so they can ride its popularity wave. And I don't follow the Saki manga, but I've heard it has a poor release schedule, so there's probably not enough material for another season of that yet.

>>15561349
I don't think anyone wants to see more of the Washizu arc animated.They should do Ten instead.

>>15561359
Ten is horrifically boring until the last few chapters.

>>15561359
I would, it only got better after the anime stopped.

Kirinji needs to be animated

>>15561786
Kirinji wouldn't do well. The mahjong is pretty weak.

Naki no Ryuu by SHAFT

kaiji S3 when

Having one of those days today.

>>15562219
Is your flow leaking?

>>15562242
Yes, and it's leaving a bad streak all over the place.

Nice 清老頭.

NoName stronk. What a bad day to be a 4dan.

2:0

>1:0

>that magical feeling when your tilt dissipates and you go on a winning spree

It took me over 1800 games but I'm finally making my way to tokujou. inb4 I crash hard before making it.

Gonna have my monthly live play on automatic tables this Sunday. Any socal anons want a ride?

This was a surprise!

>>15565845
Is the mangaka gonna be a guest on the tournament?

>>15565845
It's quite obvious that the manga is based on Tenhou.
>>15565858
>Guest: _Name_ (mangaka)
Okay.

>>15564658
You need to win more hands.

>>15565845
Pretty neat. A shame tournaments on Tenhou only give premium client time which is already cheap/worthless. Although this one seems to get you an autograph from the mangaka if you get 1st, 2nd or 3rd.

>>15566027
My point was that this was the first time seeing tnk on the loading screen or whatever it's called. Any fool would know that the online mahjong within the manga is a reference to Tenhou.

>>15566216
Tenhou doesn't have dog avatars or spectator chat. It is obviously based on Toupai-ou, the premiere online mahjong client.

>>15566216
There was an event about new manga from that Liar Game mangaka. Maybe he could have chosen Sega MJ, Mondo, or anything, but doing promotion in Tenhou isn't really bad.

>>15566238
Those tile are so tiny. Are they for ants?

>>15564658
>1000

>i have 80

This is going to take a long time isn't it.

>>15566786
Depends on how good you are. You can get there on a fresh account in 200 games or so, as long as you do decently.

You don't want to be there, though, trust me. There's nothing for you or anyone except the masochists.

>>15566798
Playing this game at all reminds me that I am most probably a masochist.

>>15566798
I'm going to crash and burn soon.

>>15566058
Hello ippan

>13 games without a last place

It's gonna get ugly soon.

>>15564658
How many R do you get for a first place? 10?

>>15567073
Around 10, maybe a bit less. I just got 2 for a 2nd place. But I'm at the point where I'm almost always going against people with lower R than me.

Finally made it to 2dan. I've been on a decent streak this month though I haven't played all that much. 4-1-0-0 and slowly climbing back to 1500 R, can't wait till the flow breaks and the 4ths start piling up again.

This was the best terrible wait I've ever dealt into.

>>15567613

>C-san is actually Toki the lap pillow fairy

>>15567613
>south 2
>lead just about double that of 2nd

Trash the hand.

>>15567747
I should have, but I dropped 6p because it seemed super unlikely. I mean, come on, double suji hell wait? Who does that? It's literally impossible.

Thankfully, only paid 5200, and I still got 1st in the end.

>>15567818
I hear ya and would have done the same in these circumstances.

That said, I also think I deal into "suer unlikely waits" way too fucking often when I should have defended

>>15567818
you did the right thing. double suji, hell wait, all 4p visible, all 6p visible. it was just ridiculous

>>15571493
>all 4p visible, all 6p visible
Technically that only rules out 5p wait

>>15571580
I meant 5p kanchan obviously

first round ended in a yakuman killing 4th and this is how the scoring works

>>15571618
What Yakuman was it?

>>15555712
menpin has higher EV here

couldn't help it, bro. i knew it was wrong but just couldn't help it. fuck it, you only live once!

>>15572172
hmmmmm.
what if you draws 6m?
will that hand become ryanpeikou or chitoi?

>>15572569
Whatever scores the highest, which would be ryanpeikou + pinfu.

3.0

>>15572172
If I analyzed it correctly the only difference the riichi makes in terms of points would be the possible uradora and in this case the riichi would've given the additional advantage to you if someone only plays the genbutsu tiles of shimocha. You're way behind in points and it's already South 3 so you do need all the points you could've gotten that's why in my perspective it's not that bad of a move, not that you're defending anyway.

>>15573168
I'm saying this from the perspective that you're throwing all your inhibitions away and you're hellbent on pursuing dank hands and the win because you could've also thrown the 6m and still get an easy 4 han hand. Looking over at the discards of shimocha every pin tile looks extra sketchy, so it would've been better if you opted for the lesser but still good 6m discard.

Can someone explain tokujo? What is it like?

I feel like I'm just not fundamentally understanding how to win this game.

>>15574414
google yaku

>>15574415
I know the Yaku.

>>15574414
It's a 4 player game, you aren't expected to win every round. Mahjong is about knowing when to attack and when to defend.

>>15574417
The key is learning when to defend and when to push. This isn't a clear-cut process since you have to determine how likely your opponents are to go out and is your hand worth the risk. Also, while pushing you have to constantly evaluate speed vs value.

Only experience and loss will forge your mahjong

>>15574459
I actually do try to pay attention to this, when someone discards from their hand vs when they discard the tile they picked up. It's difficult to remember which tiles he did for which.

This game is ridiculous.

>>15574414
A rule some people like to say is fold when someone declares riichi unless you are tenpai with a good wait and decently big hand or iishanten with a huge hand. I'm not a great judge of when to push, so I usually just fold.

Don't call unless it makes your hand move closer to tenpai. Going for a quick win is fine at times, too. Just remember that open hands tend to be cheaper than closed hands.

Also, sometimes you have to fold even though you've called some tiles and are (or are near) tenpai. For example, my current alt has an absurd calling rate, but my deal-in rate is decently low since I'm not afraid to fold when I feel like someone reached tenpai before I did. Then again, this is ippan tonpuusen games so

>>15574417
I enjoyed reading the ones they tacked on tnk chapters. Aki has some tile efficiency exercises, too, which is great.

>4-way tselimen

>>15573580
It's like when you get good at putting cucumbers in your ass and try a billiard ball

>>15576283
A post with a more truthful bouquet does not exist in all of 4chan

>>15573580
It's like Level 2 Hell

>>15566060
In the kirinji ones, the mangaka normally puts whoever wins the tournament and tweets at him in the manga.

>>15566559
The game in Muteki no Hito is obviously based on Tenhou as well.

>>15573580
It's like getting kicked in the balls repeatedly until you're on the ground completely immobilized. Then they kick and step all over you.

>>15577125
I feel that way already.

>>15577271
No, you're still too weak to know the pain.

>>15567083
>>15567073
>Around 10, maybe a bit less

At most, it's 6 or 7, depending on the strength of opposition.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17519766
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17635175
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17659433

>you will never have a one-armed mahjong sensei to teach you how to cheat

Would you have declared riichi here?

>>15578628
I don't know Japanese.

>>15579014

Nothing makes me hate myself more than this game. Nothing.

>>15579014
You're missing out. The movies are good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BtcHVJVjE

>>15578992
Tonpuusen? Yes.

>>15579014
I think the one with the one armed guy has subs, I'll post them when I get home.

>>15578992
I wouldn't given how cheap your hand would be and how little of your winning tiles are available in the best scenario. Most likely they are either in your kamicha's hand or the dead wall.

With miraculous luck you could get a riichi, menzen tsumo, pinfu, ippatsu, ura dora and push it to a mangan, but how likely is that?

You'd probably just Ron with pinfu riichi and get 2000, which you'd essentially get if you just hang back and get a noten payment. The later option gives you the possibility of bailing.

But hey, if you feel like Dojima's wave is coming, then go ahead.

How'd it turn out?

>>15579347
Yeah, it was tonpuusen.

>>15579439
I'm not sure what the ura dora would have been. But yeah, there were just too few winning tiles for my liking.

The game overall ended with me securing first by forcing an open mangan and two damaten hands. I was actually pretty mad about how E1 went, but that's mahjong for you. All of my tokujou tonpuusen games today have been rather swingy, to be honest.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016072407gm-0061-0000-38424ffc&tw=0

>>15578992
insta-riichi for me
right player already in riichi, good # of outs left, low points position for tonpuusen, doesn't look like other players will deal in either, since your wait isn't genbutsu for other riichi

Automatic table action tomorrow in socal. My offer to give a ride to anyone else in the OC area up to south LA county to experience this is still open.

...lesbians not guaranteed

>>15579962
>good number of outs
>kamicha's chi took up one 7m and he discarded one 4m earlier
>toimen has discarded two 4m and one 7m
>shimocha has a 7m in his hand (but the player doesn't know that)

Having two tiles to win off of is a lot?

>discard 7p
>ching chong ding dong WI FI you've disconnected
>turns out I didn't discard 7p
I'm reasonably upset

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016072414gm-0061-0000-46b26500&tw=3

that feel when you play better after having several glasses of whisky. speyburn 10 yay

>>15580576
for some reason I thought you meant whether you should be in riichi or dama, with the pretense that you are pushing. IN this case, for the aforementioned reason, riichi is a no brainer.

If the question is between betaori and riichi, then further justification is needed. I would probably stay in betaori

>>15580846
There's no question lad, my internet shat on me and I automatically discarded 3m

The result of this hand is yakuman. Guess which one?

>>15580871
suuankou

>>15580871
Sousuushi.

>>15580871
It's always either suuankou or kokushi.

>>15580871
Tsuu Ii Sou.

>>15580871
Kokushi?

Come on, post it.

>>15580884
>>15580895
>>15581173
>>15581327
>>15581880
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016072400gm-0029-0000-f361667a&tw=2&ts=6

I shat bricks

>>15581951

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016072506gm-0061-0000-4bcb353e&tw=1

That feel when I can't win even when I attract chun and hatsu triplets without even calling

>>15584036
You got outplayed hard.

latest chapter of TnK is out, folks

I don't think I could do 31 games in a row.

>>15584291
If he entered the parlor in the morning and is going to play until the morning... 24 hours straight of mahjong?

>>15584291
If it's tonpussen maybe, but if it's full hanchans then I doubt anyone could.

I hate this game. I just can't win, no matter how hard I try. I got 1kyu, or dan, or whichever, and now I'm playing with 2/3dan players and getting dominated.

>>15584353
Well, now you're playing against players who kind of know what they're doing. What did you expect?

>>15584360
Fair enough.

>>15584291
"Cockblock Pon"

>>15581951
This is when I realized that I will never win a yakuman because I discard "useless" honors at the beginning or go for honitsu.

At least I have enough games on this account so my R only drops by 1 or 2 points with each third place, I guess.

>>15584487
It's okay, just aim for Ryuuiisou

>>15584360
I just wish I knew how to learn from this.

>>15584550
Take your beatings and learn.

>>15578992
Your points are down. Here's an opportunity to make that up. So yes, drop the bird and riichi.

>>15585942
Just because your points are down doesn't mean they couldn't go lower. Pursuing a dealer riichi with a riichi pinfu only with 3 outs isn't exactly a great way to win points. You stand to gain more terrain just letting someone else deal in.

>>15580846
how are you planning on reaching an open hand?

>>15585193
I have no idea how to learn from them. I'm doing my best, but it's miserable.

>1:0

>playing mahjong at the JANSOU
>Doing pretty well, holding off experienced players
>Door opens, all turn and see the new challenger
>In walks a skinny vaguely asian dude.
>Hunched posture, pale white skin, pronounced underbite
>Wearing corduroy pants and a sweater in 90+ heat
>Introduces himself to the owner with an online pseudonym (wolf something)
>Sits at my table, other players exchange glances
>Think to myself: I AM FUCKED

and he went on to kick all our our asses

Would you sit at this table?

>>15591955
Only if Saki sits on top of me, and if we're not betting.

>>15591955
Only if Akagi sits on top of me, and we're not betting.

>>15591955
>Playing with that filthy cheater Tetsuya

I don't think so

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016072702gm-0041-0000-a99df394&tw=0&ts=3

>discarding an honor tile

>>15592643
>That guy pushing
>That guy calling riichi

These fuckers don't know fear. I hope they learned their lesson.

>>15592643
but why it was divided bewthin 2 players?
it was a ron

>>15593218
It's a very stupid and nonsensical rule called pao.

>>15593218
Pao rule. He fed the haku when the other guy already had the chun and hatsu. He was lucky to only pay half, since a tsumo would have had him paying the full amount.

>>15593224
It's a rule created, to protect the one guy, who wasn't retarded.

>>15559506
Open kan? Almost never. Maybe if it's oorasu and you're not the dealer and you're gonna need dora or rinshan in order to escape last place.

Closed kan if you need the points (so not if you're first, generally) and you're sure you're gonna riichi. Closed kan becomes more useful when your hand progresses faster (more likely to be the first to reach tenpai) and when others open their hands (because they can't get uradora anymore).

>>15572172
I thought this was stupid at first, but then I noticed that's actually ryanpeikou, pinfu and not chiitoitsu.
Probably was the best move, considering the state of the game and that you couldn't really defend effectively either.

>>15593427
Actually scratch that, should've discarded the 6m because of double suji and it would've still been enough to make you second if you won.

>>15591955
I can't decide if Saki is really scary here or if she's just high out of her mind

Would you have declared riichi? My reasoning was that my discards screamed honitsu and that I could potentially win off either shimocha or kamicha if I stayed damaten. Then again, as you can tell this is tonpuusen.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016072713gm-0061-0000-0882f776&tw=3

>>15593738
Devastating hand, and one person riichi, by which this hand would kill him. But not enough to take the win. So yea.

And checking the whole hand. Holy fuck, you messed up. Look at the ura.

>>15593753
That's fair. I probably play a bit scared overall since I'm still trying to climb back to 800/1600. In 3 days I've climbed from 190/1600 to 670/1600 through careful play so there's that.

Thank you for your input. I can't be mad at a second place, though.

>>15593738
I think dama is fine for a decision made in the time constraints of the game. I was okay with dama when I first looked at it, but the more I examine the table, the more I feel like riichi is the right move. East and west are already bailing, so it's unlikely they'd drop your winning tiles anyway. You're not going to fold with this hand, either, so you might as well maximize your potential value.

But like I said, I made that decision after looking at the table and thinking about it for 5 minutes. I don't blame you at all for going dama.

>>15593853
Yeah, the two of you are right. Ugh.

The slopes of mahjong is steep.

>chance at chuuren poutou
>get cock blocked so hard

>>15595303
>West chooses shanpon instead of closed wait on 4m which is double suji for him, or 1-4m furiten pinfu
>You can't deal anything to stay tenpai without dealing in

Mahjong is cruel and unusual.

>1:0

>3:0

2.0

>>15593149
I would have done the same. Better end this round with a chicken hand.

2:0

3:0

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016072815gm-0041-0000-cd03aa9e&tw=2&ts=3

>mfw fucked by two dicks

People pulling out miracle hands just to pass me in the last round. Can't get first to save my fucking life.

>>15564658
20 games later, still not there.

>>15600843
git gud

I'm sorry guys. I killed Toki.

Is this what I get for joining that second room?

>>15601924
If you stick with it you will improve and eventually make it to the third room. Then the process starts all over.

>>15601978
Are you sure? I feel like I'm getting worse.

>>15601993
You're playing against people who for the most part know what they're doing. There's always an adjustment period when you reach a new room, the important thing is to focus on improving and not get overcome by emotion.

>>15602004
>not getting overcome by emotion

This is difficult.

>>15602007
It's what gets most people. Focus on the process ie. "what could I do right now to maximize point gain/minimize point loss instead of the outcome" ie. "I dealt in, I have no chance of making it back" and you'll improve that much faster. Take a break if you need to clear you mind, absolutely do not play if you're not in the mindset to make reasonable decisions because you will dig yourself deeper in the hole of despair.

>>15602007
It's what gets most people. Focus on the process ie. "what could I do right now to maximize point gain/minimize point loss" instead of the outcome ie. "I dealt in, I have no chance of making it back" and you'll improve that much faster. Take a break if you need to clear you mind, absolutely do not play if you're not in the mindset to make reasonable decisions because you will only dig yourself deeper in the hole of despair.

>1:0

Decided yesterday to get into mahjong but it's so overwhelming. I'm more of a visual guy so reading the rules doesnt really help me. I watched pros on youtube but didnt understand anything. I decided to watch Saki because I thought it would explain it a bit better but I still don't understand much. I tried the multiplayer flash game in the op and I feel like all the choices I make are retarded. The best game I had, I ended up in 3rd place.

>>15602948
Watch Akagi. It might not help you understand much more, but it should give you a bit of interest and give you the basics.

>>15602948
This might help.

>>15602948
Take my word. Since you're starting out, you will lose a lot. But don't let that bother you.

>>15601924
At whatever stage of learning, we will be met by losing. But, playing on, we can improve.

2:0

>待機 4人
We have 4 people, why are we all not playing.

>>15602948
It's just a matter of keep playing. If your a visual learner that flash is probably the best simply because it tells you what types of hands you can win below in pictures.

What helped me start learning is trying to figure out exactly how each computer (or I) won before the game tells me what they got.

Total beginner here, why do I get this message when I try to ron?

>>15603572
>>15602982

>>15603572
I don't think you can on open hands

>>15603603
Is it because I discarded a winning tile?

>>15603623
You might want to go through that flowchart again.

>>15603623
>>15603572
It's because you don't have a hand.

You did the poker equivalent of shouting, "four of a kind!" while your hand doesn't even have a pair. You need something special about your hand to make it valid.

Look up yakus (or scroll down on that flash website, it has a list of yakus).

>>15601816
Toki killed herself by not discarding safe tiles.

>>15603628
>>15603631
ok I get it now, sorry for being retarded.

>>15603572
>>15603659
Here's a list. Start learning these:
http://arcturus.su/wiki/List_of_yaku

>ok I get it now, sorry for being retarded.

Don't worry. Many of us came across that same problem, when we were getting started too.

But why would you discard that instead of the 6p

>>15604105
He shouldn't have riichi'd in the first place. He's just a bad player.

>>15604219
Ah I didn't see he was riichi, my bad.

>>15604219
but free sex button dude.

>>15603788
>Calling riichi on a tanki on the 13th turn when you already have yaku and you're on 2nd place and there's a guy with 3 honor calls

You could write a book on all the reasons not to riichi right there.

>>15603628
>>15603631
>>15603788
Seriously, thanks a lot. I just won my first hand because of your help. What I played probably sucks but I'm really happy.

>>15605240
>First hand won is a closed sanshoku

Not bad.

>>15605099
I'd agree if it weren't South 4. Mangan tsumo or haneman ron gets him first.

>>15605314
And now he's last because he dealt into last place's yakuman (that's what's implied anyways)

3:0

gg

>>15605709
Well played.

>>15605709
ggs

I clicked on this shit and now I can't switch back to 0000.

>>15605907
The very top option there is the default lobby. If it gives you an error restart your client.

>>15546467
New tohai manga chapter is out. Seems like Lionridge (Kiriji guys) are doing it

>>15606434
Nice, I was wondering when that was going to get a new chapter.

This game is demonic. It has to be. Mahjong is the devil.

>>15610425
Who hurt you?

>>15610547
This game hurts me. I have discovered I am a masochist.

1:0

Come on, come on.

Now it's 3:0!

>>15612214
>3:0

I see you've made it over R1800, Doragan. Congrats. Have you played your first tokujou game yet?

>>15612301
Thanks. Yeah, I played 2 games, ended second on both. They were really fun. Less stupid rons, more beastly tsumos.

Thanks for the games.

>>15612529
You're welcome

Gosh dammit, Kajiki Yumi!!!

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016073116gm-0029-0000-47f43c94&tw=2&ts=8

>shimocha leading by 4500 points in S4 and is in riichi
>I'm in tenpai with a mere 2 han hand, not enough to surpass shimocha
>kamicha discards my winning tile
>yolo and pass up
>shimocha discards my winning tile right away
>I win by 500 points
Take that, shimocha. Felt like Akagi.

>>15612830
Is it really okay for people like toimen who are 20k away from 3rd to go for cheap hands like that?

>>15614956
He needs to be in tenpai if there is a draw.

>>15615181
Does that mean he doesn't intend to win unless the dealer bails?

>>15548259
>▶
Rummyqube

>>15612830
You weren't going to win the hand, anyways, so it's okay.

>>15615290
Naturally.

>>15614956
S2, with potentially three hands left (incl this one) to score with. A difference of 24500. Getting a 1000 point hand here, makes the difference 23500 (or 22500, if hitting 3rd).

>pushing against riichi
>Draw risky tile
>Grudgingly betaori
>Toimen discards and deals in
>winner had Shanpon wait for toimen's discard and the tile I just drew

Sometimes playing it safe pays off.

1:0

>>15617746
2:0

>>15619638
That happened in the second most recent chapter, yes.

>>15610425
Don't worry, the sand in hell is magic sand.

>>15610549
>masochist
Welcome to the Club.

>>15617635
few things in mahjong are as satisfactory as folding when you draw a dangerous tile and then confirming that tile would had made you deal in.

Are you guys going to donate to keep Lionridge alive? I'm thinking of doing so.

>>15620421
Why? Their work is mediocre and those problems they're having are just made up.

>>15620421
No, and you're a sucker for actually considering giving up your money.

>>15620421
I like the series they cover and they have timely releases. What might help him is if he broke down the total goal into individual expenditures, like what the cost of the visa was, what he expects to pay for first month's rent, etc. Basically, transparency on what he's researched by breaking down the cost of his escape from the third world might give his fundraising more legitimacy in the eyes of potential donators.

I personally doubt he's trying to trick people out of their money but I am a big sucker for sob stories and have been in a similar situation once just because his 'targets' are niche manga fans.

Either way, hopefully all goes well for him.

>>15620421
I did, after all I read all his works

>>15620421
I live in the third world and probably have less money than him, so even if I wanted to, I can't.

>>15620568
It was outlined when he started that donation drive.

>2.500 CZK= 100€ for the card, 150€ for a trip to Brno, costs for living in Brno for a month and a half= ~250€, life expenses until I can finally start working= ~100€.

Then an additional +50€ for extra bus costs.

>Dealer gets double riichi
>Restart the round because of too many terminals in my hand

>>15620308
Especially when you're sacrificing a huge hand for the sake of defending. The feeling is just as good as when you kept a stray honor/seat tile because you felt it was dangerous and you proved yourself correctly in the end.

Thank you, Goddess of Free Sex!

>>15620433
>just made up
You don't need to be so heartless, anon.

1:0

3:0

>>15620433
Yo, Rinshan here.
Here's the visa stamp in my passport and the contract:
http://imgur.com/a/zZI1K

I don't mind you calling our work mediocre and being indifferent towards my life and the existence of my group, but don't spread misinformation that the story is made up.

>>15620433
>>15620452
Owned

>>15622080
>2900 hand
>gain over 10000

This only means that people have been calling for free sex, only to fail to get laid. Someone give those people some kind of sex pill.

1:0.

2:0, get in here queers.

>>15623929
give me 5 minutes

>>15623941
man you fap quick.

Given this situation --oorasu and everyone is attacking, what would you have done?

>>15623958
damaten

>>15623958
Chen

Just stay dama, wait for an edge wait. Bail if someone else riichis or seems like they're tenpai.

No point in doing anything else. You'll get second or higher if you don't deal in.

>>15623958
Stay dama for now, start folding as soon as things become scary.

>3:0

>>15624109
still this

>>15624170
>6 people in lobby
>only 3 in queue

>>15619985
You don't understand. I probably have brain damage or something, nothing makes me feel more like a retard than this game.

Has anyone had any luck running the tenhou client in linux?

>>15624691
From what I've heard, the client works fine in wine, but the crack doesn't.

Tohai Manga VS Drama so far.

Kei: Manga > Drama
Dojima: Drama > Manga
Amina: Manga > Drama
Dumb Clingy Headband Girl: Manga > Drama
Seiki: Drama > Manga

>>15625111
same here

>>15623437
the previous hand ended in a suucha riichi

>>15625603
>push button for sex
>not get sex

Sounds like life itself.

>>15625861
Mahjong is one huge metaphor for life and how it constantly shits all over you.

Instead of talking and getting to know my coworkers during a farewell party, I played a tonpuusen game as NoName and made a gyakuten with a dealer haneman in E4.

>>15623981
>>15623998
>>15624001
I guess I did right after all, I was thinking that time that if I can draw a 35m I can dama pinfu and close out the game-- that is if no one gets ahead of me. In the end kamicha ippatsu'd and stole the game from me even though I had at least a 27k lead by E2 on everyone and never lost a hand except for tsumos. I guess that's mahjong for you.

>>15626265
There's nothing you can do about tsumos and it's usually better to avoid the risk of dealing in rather than pushing and trying to win yourself, outside of certain circumstances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5iXGj72fWs

Awai plz

>>15626414
Maybe there were hands in the past rounds I could've gone for but after I gained the lead in E2 I just turtled all the way through and defended every round.

>>15626528
I watched the video and thought to myself that it has been a while since I got a double riichi. Lo and behold pic related first game i played just after.

Thank you Goddess of Free Sex. Thank you Awai.

>>15626778
What is it with double riichi and chi toi?

>>15626778
>Guy had all the winning tiles

Poor guy.

>>15626829
"This should be safe."

I HATE IT

There is nothing I love more than crushing the hopes and dreams of high ranked players
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016080312gm-0001-0000-26e2a4c4&tw=3

2:0

3:0

>>15627612
>1-dan
>2-dan
>high-ranked players

Fuck this game sometimes

Anyone know how to fix this splash error connection failed thing?

>>15628062
Use Firefox, wait (without tabbing off the page)

>>15628069
Doesn't seem to be working.

>>15628069
Updating Flash didn't work either.

>>15628062
I get that message a lot when my Internet connection is too slow.

Thank you Gods of mahjong. My sixth highest score ever.

>>15628628
What's your highest? Mine is +128.

>>15628869
Not him. Mine's +146

3.0

>>15628869
>>15629170
+125.

What did you guys do?

>>15630228
I was up at around 40k and then I got a dealer double yakuman.

>>15630249
Nice. I want to see. See, their sweet pain.

>>15630281
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2015030900gm-0009-7447-6d3c4b97&tw=0

It was in 7447 though, I don't think I could have pulled this one off in L0. Also, it was quite some time ago so there were plenty of mistakes in the other hands, but overall it was a pretty nice game.

>>15630228
Dealer baiman tsumo followed by a yakuman tsumo.

>>15630287
>three honor tile calls
>barely any honor tiles discarded
>still discard an honor tile

Yea, toimen fucked up royally.

>>15630361
Hey, he was gonna get an ENTIRE pinfu! Who wouldn't push for no change in ranking?

Him tossing the red five earlier was also dumb as fuck