/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Because touhoufags are neurotic and have self-esteem issues.

Fuck off to your containment thread.

>>14888009
>Are those games doomed to an eternal war ?

Only shitposters who don't care about either partecipate in those threads.

>>14888113
In fact I prefer Touhou. I just don't want the fandom I belong to to be considered as people that just can't accept that another franchise is at the top now.

>>14888229
kancolle is dying, though

Different games for different audiences. Only shitters believe there's a ``war''.

OP is still a filthy boatfucker though.

>>14888246
I know. Those kinds of franchises can't stay on the market because the devs just want to make profits, when Zun do it for fun. Zun also built his world step by step, introducing only a few characters each games, when Kancolle just built a huge cast, with only few really good characters.

>>14888284
>filthy boatfucker

Are you sure there is no way, anon ?

>>14888327
No war*

Murasa confirmed for boatslut spy

>>14888009
No fuck boatsluts

>>14888327
Murasa is a honorary boat.

>>14888390
Murasa is a boat-sinker
She's the most anti-boatslut 2hu out there

Boatfags are corporate cuck deviants who are only drawn to kusoge like Kancolle because of sluts in thongs and are so unfaithful and ADHD riddled they will move to the next fad as soon as they tire of it.

There is no practical way to co-exist with those who know only of pure, wholesome, everlasting love and devotion like 2hu fans.

>>14888573
KANCOLLE WILL DIE THIS 2013, I FEEL IT IN MY BONES!
KANCOLLE WILL DIE THIS 2014, I FEEL IT IN MY BONES
KANCOLLE WILL DIE TIHS 2015, I FEEL IT IN MY BONES
M-maybe Kancolle will die this 2016?

>>14888009
It's Kancolle that will decline now that the novelty is gone. Meanwhile, Touhou is ZUN's life work and will keep on trucking as long as he gets more beer.

So there's no need to associate with the dying fandom for a shitty moneygrabbing game.

Because boatsluts are the product manufactured for pure capitalism, subverting "a story with hundreds of girls" to a mere trope, to pander to every single niche and capitalize on it.

You can't compare with something made with love and care, that still exists for two decades

>>14888625
Remember when you guys said back in 2014 and 2015?

>>14888573
Kancolle is already dead in /jp/, i mean compared to before, it had a lot of more threads than moved relatively fast for /jp/.
Hell, even idols are more popular now here.

>>14888009
I'm one of /jp/'s original Kantai Collection fans; a lot of artist and doujin circles I had originally followed for Touhou Project work were trying it out. It helps if you're generally interested in history to begin with (I've always been interested in both WWII and Asia's navigation through the process of modernization, so it was a slam dunk together).

Of course, as a mass-market corporate browser game designed to milk its users for microtransactions, there was never any real chance that it was going to deliver, so more fool I. People suggested to me in another thread that I just look past the fact that the "official setting" has all the depth of a particularly shallow bathtub and just consume the fanwork, which I really should have been doing to begin with.

It overlaps with Touhou in the sense that they're massive, secondary-friendly* universes that allows you tell a girls' story with an audience already predisposed to like it. (At the beginning I thought that it might be a tacitly spiritual setting like Touhou or various other settings are, but that never happened.)

* I think Touhou's setting has gotten more serious official exploration lately, so it's not quite as true as it used to be.

>>14889785
The kancolle general still moves super fast, especially during events.

>>14889822
The Kancolle general thread is nine parts to pointless game blogging to one part news. And the game is shit.

>>14889822
>The kancolle general still moves super fast
lol

I don't think there is point in kancolle trying to have more threads. Whenever there is one for a ship, it barely has posts and falls of the board sooner rather than later.
Could be partially because most ships have barely anything to talk about, I can hardly think of a thread that would make sense and is of quality, or on topic. Probably also most people in the general don't use the rest of the board, for them it bears no importance where the general thread is. Don't know if it would make any sense to divide them across multiple threads.

See no reason to have a war thing going, kancolle will probably stick around for a few more years solely on players not wanting to give up the time they spent on the game. Just feels like I can see anything of worth coming from it easily on spare time. The whole music remix scene seems to have died like a year ago, non-h fan manga are either blogs or predictable and porn you can just look at the few good ones.

Le'ts compare Kancolle to Touhou by using their real-life equivalents.

The Kanmusu shipbitches: Slow, obsolete, WWII-era warships that mostly either mothballed or sunk due to inferior weaponry/tactics.

The 2hus: Fast, modern-day fighter jets whose payloads are capable of dishing out exponentially damage than their sizes/numbers suggest.

The end result is predictable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcIi71kJFGI

Let's compare Kancolle to Touhou by using their real-life equivalents.

The Kanmusu shipbitches: Slow, obsolete, WWII-era warships that were mostly either mothballed or sunk due to inferior weaponry/tactics.

The 2hus: Fast, modern-day fighter jets whose payloads are capable of dishing out exponentially more damage than their sizes/numbers suggest.

The end result is predictable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcIi71kJFGI

>>14890128
Someone's been looking at too much Touhou Ace Combat stuff.

>>14890146

It was because of Ace Combat that I got into Touhou in the first place:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrB8W56YuVE

I found this back in 2007 when I was obsessed with watching parody trailers for Ace Combat Zero. It was my interest in the Ace Combat series that ultimately led to the discovery of Touhou Project. Of course I associate 2hus with fighter jets.

>>14890050
>Could be partially because most ships have barely anything to talk about
I think that's a significant point. Sure, most Touhous have a characterization that can be summed up in a paragraph, but the boats get less than that.

>>14888009
Because I have nothing better to do

>>14888585
>Implying anyone knew about Kancolle at launch and early 2014
It takes a while for a mobile game-like lightweight game to die down. especially since canned cola is endorsed by Pixiv shilled artists

Corporate-enhanced cashcow flavor-of-the-month mobage goes in the corporate-enhanced cashcow flavor-of-the-month mobage general.

>>14890262
>Implying anyone knew about Kancolle at launch and early 2014
You must have been living under a virtual rock in 2013.

BOATSLUTS BTFO

>>14892065
what is that

>>14888009

Because deep in our hearts, we're still a bunch of /v/tards, and the only thing worse than a secondary is someone who glorifies a shallow flash game rife with microtransactions!

What war? We let you have your containment thread here, what else do you want?

There is no war. Only love.

>>14892111
joke's on you kancolle has secondaries too

It always amuses me how touhoufags think they are "purists" because they believe touhou is not a business, it's like applefags thinking their company of worship is better than the others.
Fucking hypocrite hipsters.

>>14890050
>Probably also most people in the general don't use the rest of the board, for them it bears no importance where the general thread is
I really wish mods would just bite the bullet and give generals their own dedicated space on the website. It's clearly not a fad and not something that's going away (possibly ever).

>>14892456
Why so many autists have a problem with generals?
Generals make it easier to filter what you like and don't, while also making it easier to keep boards clean of 1 post threads.

>>14892509
Generals reduce all discussion of a topic to the lowest common denominator.

When said lowest common denominator is fairly high (for example, in threads where the subject has a naturally high barrier of entry) this isn't a problem but excepting that the threads are inevitably overrun by dumb crap.

>>14892509
Generals reduce all discussion of a topic to the lowest common denominator.

When said lowest common denominator is fairly high (for example, in threads where the subject has a naturally high barrier of entry) this isn't a problem, but otherwise the threads are invariably overrun by dumb crap.

>>14892540
This happens with any longer than necessary thread, it's not exclusive to generals.

>>14892545
>Generals reduce all discussion of a topic to the lowest common denominator.
No. "General" doesn't even have any meaning. What you are talking about are generic, catch-all, topicless threads. A kancolle thread about kancolle has a clear topic. Same for threads about a well-defined games or anime series (because yes, this anti "General" bullshit came from /a/, and /a/ uses this to shit on anything they don't like).

>>14892447
ZUN and his circle is not a company, retard.

>>14892509
Generals just condense it all into one thread so it's faster, which causes posts to be shorter and with less quality. Just go and look at the kancolle general, most posts are of no worth at all. Since the general is always up people feel the need to post whatever.

>>14892699
TSA is still a business, and is just as profitable as KanCo

>>14893961
It's profitable but it's not a private corporation which is capitalistic, unlike doujin circles.

>>14890050

Yeah just look at all the on topic, meaningful discussion going on in all the 2hu threads that start off "I want to put my [organ of choice] into [2hu of choice]'s [orifice of choice]"

2hu and canned coal are both shit, sounds like a perfect fit for each other desu

>>14896249
There is a high demand to talk about these things though. Could you respect a man that doesn't know which of these choices he wants the most. A tiny bit of info can change a lot, like wether or not Cirno has a warm or cold vagina. In comparison, boats will perform rather similar. Choose your tit size of choice, pick a few other things and never think about it again.

>>14890050
>I don't think there is point in kancolle trying to have more threads. Whenever there is one for a ship, it barely has posts and falls of the board sooner rather than later.
I see threads and posts disappear all the time. People want to have discussion but are discouraged.
I mean what other threads are shadowsaged like this one >>14834461 ? Kancolle content is literally being pushed off the board despite people showing large interest in it.

Inb4 deleted for speaking the truth.

>>14899595
Why are mods so afraid of boats?
Geez, this is crazy.

>>14888113
What are you talking about? He's already in /jp/

You're asking the wrong board.

We all know that /jp/ is filled with blind 2hou rednecks that would prefer to shit on anything that isn't remotely related to touhou while jacking off to some ZUN pictures and praising him on their selfmade altars than actually discussing about it like normal human being. They're complety ignorant about anyhting that isn't 2hou and it's sad.

Note that I'm talking about the bad type of fans, which for some reason touhou is still plagued with for some reason.

/jp/ is a containment thread for a reason.

>>14890219
>The boats get less than that

that's alot bullshit right there. All of the characters get more lines than most 2hous will ever see in their lifetime. Not to mention that alot of them keep getting more and special lines depending on the season/event.

>>14896367
Vocafags pls go.

>>14896622
How does it feel to be autistic?

>>14892591
>What you are talking about are generic, catch-all, topicless threads.
You had me right until "topicless." A catch-all thread for a topic still does the same thing, because often when the whole series is shoveled into one thread whatever subtopic generates the most cheap-n-easy posts is the winner.

>this anti "General" bullshit came from /a/
Everything in /jp/ came from /a/ unless it came from somewhere even worse.

>>14896249
2hu at least has characters with a solid base in canon, and, for that matter, a longer history and better familiarity with the fanwork that has become inextricably associated with the characters.

Even with a character I'm pretty neutral towards and don't know the most about, like, say, Youmu, I can already discuss

- her appearances in PCB, SWR, TD, SaBND, CoLA, and SSiB (I didn't put much time into PoFV and IaMP, sue me)
- actual canon setting details, like her relationship with Yuyuko, the whole half-ghost thing, and so on
- bastardized secondary relationships like Yuyuko abuse, Stage 5 associations, and shipping
- various well-known fanbooks detailing her training and backstory (+ battle fanbooks)
- various fangames starring youmu, such as that one platformer or the dumb myon-beating flash one
- Myon
- MyonMyonMyon
- MyonMyonMyonMyonMyonMyonMyon

I'm hard-pressed to think of a Kancolle that I can even associate half as much with. With Shimakaze, you can discuss:
- the fact that she goes fast and dresses like a slut
- the fact that she sounds like a seal
- any number of thin books loved by our big friends
- her technical specifications and battle record (but nobody ever does this)

>>14899595
>Kancolle content is literally being pushed off the board despite people showing large interest in it.
Not the biggest fan of shadowsaging, but three (mostly shitty) posts per day is not a "large interest."

>>14899700
>You had me right until "topicless."
"Sub-topic" threads can't survive on fast boards like /a/. On /jp/, sure, maybe, it can work.

>but three (mostly shitty) posts per day is not a "large interest."
It's just the usual kancolle shitmaster, kcgfag or whatever you call him. He's less active now but he's still here, trying to slide the kancolle general twice a day. It's less of a problem now that he only necrobumps kancolle threads, a couple of months ago he would turn inside-out half of the board to push the general into the archive.

>>14899758
>"Sub-topic" threads can't survive on fast boards like /a/. On /jp/, sure, maybe, it can work.
I think /jp/ was quite hostile to general threads, up until the board itself became so fast and shitty that you'd have to knit a topic into a general if you wanted discussion to survive.

It was pretty lame all around.

>>14899758
I got as frustrated with that guy's oh-so-clever campaign to troll Kancolle General off the board as anyone else, but now that he's stopped I don't personally particularly care what he gets up to.

I don't mind when he bumps the boat threads off page 10 because occasionally I even have something to say in them.

>>14899758
>"Sub-topic" threads can't survive on fast boards like /a/. On /jp/, sure, maybe, it can work.
I think /jp/ was quite hostile to general threads, up until the board itself became so fast and shitty that you'd have to knit a topic into a general if you wanted discussion to survive.

It was pretty lame all around.

>>14899758
I got as frustrated with that guy's oh-so-clever campaign to troll Kancolle General off the board as anyone else, but now that he's stopped I don't personally particularly care what he gets up to (if anything, the idea of spreading Kancolle discussion out of the /jp/ general is something I'd like. I just also think it's doomed to failure unless they ever get around to throwing Kancolle out of /a/.)

The "let's bump thirty threads" thing was one of the most autistic things I've seen in /jp/ but as far as actually awful behavior the board's been through a lot worse.

What even happened to the kancolle music scene, I remember when everyone did an album and most was bad since a lot was a cah in, but 2 comikets later there was like no album in the download spreadsheets even 3 weeks after the event. And I don't really see it mentioned anywhere.

>>14900083
It's still alive, but much less than before. I think part of this is because a lot of what people arranged was the common songs everybody knows (because they've heard them all a million times in the home screen or while sortieing).

In general the tunes aren't exceptionally memorable, they don't have the sticking power of character themes (where anybody who likes X character can and will arranger their theme), and most new songs are released and listened to for a limited time and even then you associate them mostly with grinding PTSD rather than colorful bullet patterns.

>>14889785
>>14889822
and the general in /a/ is pretty constant now

>>14888009
>>14888390
The dude who drew Kiso actually considers Murasa to be his waifu.
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/ugume

In other words, the KanColle girl is born out of the artist's love for a Touhou girl.

>>14899656
Yes, and it has always been. You seem to be aware of it, why don't you fuck off then?

So why have you guys not brought it up to Hiroyuki yet? To force KanColle out? Despite all this complaining?

>>14890307
A lot of people knew about it by late '13.

>>14906567
For what purpose? The containment thread works, why do we need a containment board? It would make sense to push it to /vg/, but there are many other generals we hate on /jp/. We can't get a board for all of them.

>>14906970
>It would make sense to push it to /vg/
That's what I meant m8.

/a/ doesn't like the KanColle threads there either, so it'll be killing 2 birds with 1 stone.

>>14906975
Even Idolmaster already has a general on /vg/.
I'd say the Idolfags should leave /jp/, but really they should just kill themselves imo.

>>14906567
You want to remove kancolle from /jp/? Are you siding with the kcg spammer?

>>14906995
>Idolfags should leave /jp/
Add that in while you're at it, if you want to.

>>14907000
>kcg spammer
I don't care about that fucker. As I see it a single /vg/ thread is outright the best solution for everyone.

>>14892509
I don't have a problem with generals, I just think they have more in common with each other than whatever board they happened to be parked on.

The way I see it, everything that has a fanbase that isn't Touhou shouldn't be on /jp/.
Idolmaster and Kancolle should move to /vg, Baby Metal and other idol shit should go to /mu/ and so forth.
Type Moon is /a/ related cancer, so that needs to fuck off.
Things like Rythmn Games, Kigurumi, dolls and Denpa soft mobile shit don't belong here either.
Also fetish circlejerks like the Onahole, Monster Girl and Vocaloid generals shouldn't be here either.

But that's just my two cents.

>>14906567
Meant for >>14890262

>>14907051
>Type Moon is /a/ related cancer, so that needs to fuck off.
i don't even

>>14907051
should have kept those two cents to yourself, turbo-idiot.

>>14907051
>this is what touhou faggots believe

>>14907090
Who are you quoting and what is that touhou faggots believe?

>>14907051
Why can't we just get along? We all have a lot in common.

I've always felt that any media that was never officially localized belongs in /jp/.
Touhous, Kancolle, VNs, Idolm@sters, and music welcome.

>>14907300
>We all have a lot in common.
Like what? They're Japanese?
Is that it?

>>14907325
Let's look at the main 2D girls fanbases, Touhou, Kancolle, Idolmaster, and Monstergirls.

All of these deal in cute girls, many of them nonhuman as we see in Touhou, monstergirls and Kancolle. Heck, many touhous are monstergirls.

Then there's the shared love of certain archetypes and characteristics. From christmas cakes to tomboys, to maids and shrine maidens. You see love for all these personalities and traits all over /jp/, just applied to different characters.

Also there's autism.

>>14907325
>>14907413
I agree with you only very partially. Touhou, Kancolle, and Idolmaster are all massive, girl-laden multimedia projects, with dedicated and autistic fanbases that have shaped much of Japanese net culture; they're also associated with the doujin scene given the numbers they come out in force for it. (In terms of impact Kancolle is lagging by far, but then, it's also overwhelming the youngest.)

As far as I can tell, monster girls are a fetish, tied together by different works spread across different kinds of media. Said media doesn't necessarily claim to share a continuity or even characters, and in my assessment the fact that it isn't character-based media sets it quite far apart from the rest.

>>14907325
>>14907413
I agree with you only very partially. Touhou, Kancolle, and Idolmaster are all massive, girl-laden multimedia projects, with dedicated and autistic fanbases that have shaped much of Japanese net culture; they're also associated with the doujin scene given the numbers they come out in force for it. (In terms of impact Kancolle is lagging by far, but then, it's also overwhelmingly the youngest.)

As far as I can tell, monster girls are a fetish, tied together by different works spread across different kinds of media. Said media doesn't necessarily claim to share a continuity or even characters, and in my assessment the fact that it isn't character-based media sets it quite far apart from the rest.

>>14892110
Books ranking. Seems like both are selling well.

>>14908358
Really, I'm more impressed that those sell at all.

I guess selling like five million BDs after the anime already tells us how sales correspond with quality, though.

>>14908207
You're right that monstergirls are more of a fetish then an actual franchise. I suppose the closest thing to something like Idolmaster is stuff like Monster Musume or the MGE, but they're both quite different.

Kancolle is more than your typical otaku thing.
It's a lifestyle.

I don't necessarily dislike KanColle but I sure as hell don't get its appeal. I watched a long vid of a guy playing the Vita game and there was like zero action, he was in menus for 90% of the video, and some dialogue with boatgirls for the rest. Also, they look way too similar to each other. Maybe their personalities are developed to distinguish them better, but all I see are sailor girls with giant metal hobo sacks on their backs.

>>14914022
Why are you surprised? Fans are interested in the characters.

>>14914022
I also don't get the appeal of curtain fire shoot em up games. I mean it's fucking 2016, is this kind of retro-games made for old people stuck in the 80's?

>>14907051
>Idolmaster and Kancolle
Agree.

>idol shit
Can stay.

>Type Moon
/vg/

>Rhythm Games
/vg/

>Kigurumi, dolls and Denpa soft mobile shit
Don't know enough about those.

>fetish circlejerks
Can stay.

>>14919797
And who the fuck you think you are to decide that?

>>14922896
he's offering his individual opinion as a citizen of /jp/

>>14918574
Atleast you do something in shmups or rythm games. Kancolle is like the low action version of the grind intesive MMO neets played. Because it's basically that. You do something, wait a minute for it to resolve, choose one option and wait a minute again. Expeditions give the most when they are the short ones, so you need to do that every 15 to 30 minutes. You never really actively do something but you don't have real breaks inbetween either. And the game hasn't improved since it came out, you still have to painstakenly activate each quest and it runs slow as fuck. It really is more a dating sim than a game, like it says on the DMM site.

>>14925515
>Atleast you do something in shmups or rythm games
you say it like thats a good thing

I played Kancolle for about a year until l realized that all I ever did after clearing the maps was wait for the monthlies and events to pop up. I eventually steered away when I figured out that the game is going nowhere and went back to playing Touhou. I still browse pixiv for pictures of my favorite boats from time to time.

Also, Kadokawa's too fucking stubborn to remove that damn doujin game ban and that makes me mad. This game has so much potential holy shit.

Don't care, they both have a multitude of sexual girls that I hammer my dick to. That's really all that matters.

Everybody hates KanColle though, not just 2hufags.

>>14899656
>They're complety ignorant about anyhting that isn't 2hou and it's sad.

Is this coming from a animefag?

>>14888009
>Are those games doomed to an eternal war ?

Yes. After all, the games are so similar as to be mutually exclusive.

>>14932530
Not really. The people that get notably butthurt about Kantai (KANCOLLE WILL DIE IN 2014, JUST YOU SEE!!!!!!!!!) make it obvious they're Touhou fans.

>>14932824
>The people that get notably butthurt about Kantai
are mostly people stirring shit. If you're an actual Touhou fan there's enough about Kancolle to criticize without painting all Touhou fans as raving asshats.

>>14932824
Yeah I'm also an autistic TrashCollefag that assumes everybody who criticizes my dead game is a fan of something else so I can feel better about myself.

>>14929227
>and went back to playing Touhou
You might fool the untrained /jp/sie masses with your entry level shilling but not everyone here eats up the stupid crap you spout.

I don't feel as connected to boats as I feel to 2hus, but I can assure you that I'd fuck every single boat. All of them.

>>14940459
>I'd fuck every single boat. All of them.
Even Nenohi and Uzuki? For real?
You are one horny freak.

>>14949409
Holy shit. You have shit taste m8

>>14893961
Just not as jewish.
seriously a PSVita port of a fucking browser game for full price

>>14899672
Ah yes "Yamato is a boat with tits and a heavily oriental aesthetic". definitely more than any 2hu will get in their lifetime

>>14918574
>Being this closeminded

>>14949629
fuck em up mimster

>>14918574

>IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR

>>14918574
Ah, yes, bullet hell games. The vanguard of the 80s.

>>14918574
Well friend, """strategy""" browser games are from 2000, so we are on the same boat

Unless you think they are more like Clash of Titans; in this case feel free to enjoy Kancolle being as hip as a mobile game.

Don't even get what OP and kancollefags want. Just go and make threads, if people care they will post, if not the thread will just go to page 10 or more likely bumped by the OP for 10 days.
My guess is that most people don't give a fuck.

>>14954437
>Just go and make threads,
Here, I just made a thread. >>14961664
Want to bet how long it will take untl it gets deleted for simply being boat related?
You don't understand how suffering it is to be a boatfag on /jp/,

>>14888625
Kantai Collection will die eventually once they run out of new ships to implement.

I guess that's one thing Touhou has over KC, as Zun can come up with twice as many new characters as there are Fletcher-class DDs in the span of a day given enough beer.

>>14963708
>Kantai Collection will die
lol
just LOL

>>14963708
I prefer quality over quantity to be honest.

>>14963708
/jp/ said this 3 years ago. This shitty complex /jp/ has over this browser game is hilarious

>>14974675
I have a complex because I've put a lot of time and money into the game despite the fact that it sucks, send help

>>14974675
Nobody said anything about TrashColle three years ago. Fuck off with your delusional butthurt to /v/ or anything and just accept everybody hates a shitty game such as KanColle.

Why is she such a slut?

>>14985363
I guess it's her face, lustful, yet still cute.

I feel really bad liking her at least a bit. there are interesting boats in the game; tatsuta, nagato, ashigara, ryuujou, houshou, kirishima... but a majority screams "pander to X for more profits". the game itself looks like a pothole. It took five years of resistance to finally touhou get a soft place in my heart, and I'll not overlook anyone who think emulating it will be a shortcut to success

Why the fuck does this even matter.

No one is forcing you to obssess over either.

>>14985673
>boats
get out

As if people regard both series as actual games.

It's just fap and circlejerk material to most people here.
I don't know why faggots try to make distinction between them.

>>14991352
What I don't know is why anyone bothers to keep this thread alive.

>>14991358
Some people won't stop until the other side back down.
Some just want to post or hear more opinions.

Just because you don't like the thread doesn't mean people won't post on it.
At least I sage.

>>14991352
>touhou
>not an actual game
You are a fucking idiot even for a troll.

>>14996047
Don't feed the troll and stop bumping this shitty thread.

>>14996057
Stop posting and it won't be shitty then.

inb4 bump

Nobody will remember kancolle in a year while touhou is already part of the history books.

>>15006502
Kankerthreads are forced on autosage newfag-kun.