/jp/ - Otaku Culture

normies ree etc

Okay.

>>14418214
Wow, lesser versions of Japanese VNs on Steam or shitty OELVN. Who wouldn't excited for this great game sale?

fUCK you,.,.,.,.,.NIGGE R

>>14418214
sauce pls

>>14418344
The Road to Samarkand by Thomas Thiemeyer

>>14418225
>>14418244

Ok this is basically why I made this thread but I didn't want to bias the replies by stating my position. For some reason I hate it when VNs or otaku culture are open to the mainstream but I can't think of a way to justify this feeling. I feel torn that I have never given money to people who make VNs but I don't want to encourage the dissemination of VNs like this. Idk maybe I'm crazy

>>14418365

Since I'm an EOP, I approve the attempt to make VN's more mainstream. With more readers and more people experiencing the medium, I hope MG and even JAST start translating even more stuff. Hell, I hope more TL'ing companies start up. Clock-up is my favorite company right now, and I'm looking forward to having more than 2 games translated by them. Mako Hunter, Maggot Baits, and EroManga look awesome. This is why I pay for my VNs.

I'm playing Euphoria, and I've gone through 3 of the girls routes. All that's left is Childhood friend and Nemu left. I'm so fucking excited. Nemu is clearly best grill.

Yeah, Normies-reeee and all that shit. For people like me, a medium that I enjoy that I can't have because of the language barrier is pretty annoying.

Not like fucks like >>14418244
would have bought the games on Steam anyways.

I'd rather it be anywhere else but Steam/

>>14418214
Fuck VNs and fuck $team.

>>14420553
This.

The vast majority of the people getting butthurt about normies getting their hands on their secret and cool things. It's very much 'don't like things I like!' syndrome.

I am glad they are coming out on Steam. The more VN's that get released in English, the better. I also back that up by paying for a lot of VN's that I read.

>>14420553

EOP?

>>14420743

English Only Peasant.

People who can't or won't learn Moon to enjoy superior Nippon chinese cartoon porn games.

People feel like it degrades their own experiences with a VN or such when commoners who didn't spend a long time learning Japanese suddenly are able to read their secret games.

I feel like VN's will be getting TL's in the future, far more often, and hopefully in a few years, when they see the market over here has potential, they're able to allow more translators and companies to start TL'ing a lot of their works.

I think this is a steam thread now and you should all post your steam ids so I can buy you these crappy VNs

Stupid Steam normies is the reason the Sakura VNs are the face of VNs in the West. Good going, retards.

>>14418365
Otakus are have probably been powerless their whole life due to being outsiders. When they step into an exclusive world of art only they "get", it gives them a sense of belonging and ownership within a subculture. If people outside of the subculture take interest, they are threatened because it might be the first time in their lives they've felt this way, and do not understand how to deal with the fact.

Secret clubs do not exist.

>>14420850
Of course they do. It's called learning japanese and enjoying the more obscure part of the culture.

>>14420677
Fuck off.

there's almost no VNs on steam that i'm interested in, and the few that there are ones i've already read. i'll probably buy the new chapters of higurashi whenever MG finishes them though.

>>14420783

Have you ever considered that the widespread dissemination will destroy the medium you allegedly love (but not love enough to learn a language)?

>>14420926

Yeah. Anime and manga was effectively destroyed because of mass market appeal.

Like seriously,good animes like Attack on Titan and manga like One piece and Naruto are crappy now because everyone who doesn't speak Japanese can easily get access to translated copies. The medium is suffering from this.

Anon, VN's aren't Syrian refugees. Also,I don't care about learning Japanese.

>>14418225
>implying

Do /jp/ still do the 'who are you quoting' thing?

>>14420965

How can anyone be this selfish?

I know steam just got Clannad released on it. Aside form that I know Grisaia no Kajitsu is also on there. Not sure if it's good as I haven't gotten around to it yet.
I also differ from the opinion that anime/manga is being ruined by mass market, but my opinion of what is actually ruining it would get me stoned here on /jp/.

>>14420987

>>14421087

Please tell Anon.

I think it's the waifufags and neets that are ruining a lot of it. Elitism is a huge problem for this hobby.

>>14421869
Well said, all VNs are equally garbage.

>>14418214
If you want to support VN devs, buy something made directly by them, even though it might be shitty.

Like Kagura Douchuuki. Or I guess If My Heart Had Wings. Or even just Mangagamer stuff (but the opinion you get here may vary).
The only reason why I don't buy a lot of these is because I don't really agree with Sekai Project's reliance on Kickstarter and fan translations to do business. I guess they and Baba-shachou are made for each other, though.
Also I would probably buy more package versions in English if they also came with tokuten like in Japan, but that's very slowly happening at the moment, with it being very underwhelming compared to their home counterparts. I just end up buying stuff from Japan when I can/want since I don't really mind reading in Japanese nowadays.

Also consider DLSite Maniax and Professional, or similar sites.

>>14418214
>What do you guys think about the VNs for sale on steam?
I'm surprised that things have progressed as much as they have. When the first VNs were getting on steam, both TL'd ones from Japan and Western made ones (remember when Hattoful Boyfriend and Go-Go Nippon were the flavor of the month youtuber b8?) I really expected it to just be a phase, a niche within a niche, and die out shortly after.

Well obviously it didn't. I would say I'm surprised is all. The elitist in me is pretty smug, after all, anyone who buys a VN on steam to read it is a pleb simply for the fact they haven't read it yet. You haven't read Clannad yet and you wanna talk about how otakool you are? Please.

I also think that anyone who treats their steam purchases as donations to "support the developer" needs to get off their high horse and learn what it means to actually feed mouths. I could write a lot about what I think about this new advent of donation culture but that's for another time. Suffice to say, I don't think people should be feeling good about themselves because of what they choose to buy.

And finally I think anyone who gets into VNs through steam is probably just a poser or someone going through an "anime phase", an entry level wannabe otaku who wanted to try playing something they saw in an entry level anime like Oreimo they probably saw on Crunchyroll.

The commercialization of otaku media in the west has inexplicably made it more popular despite increasing the cost. I just chalk it up to normalfags using consumer culture as a means of expressing their individuality by pursuing niche goods and interests. It's not really any different than buying clothes from Hot Topic as a tween.

Besides being surprised, I'm a little saddened that it's mass market consumerism that's what determines a true fan, otaku, weaboo, or whatever you'd like to call it now.

Just my pretentious two-cents.

>steam

n..no thank you!!

>>14422723
I never read clannad because the fan translation was hot fucking garbage. The new one would be worth reading due to the proper editing.
>donation culture
It's not donation culture. It's a reaction to piracy. Literally, just about any game can be downloaded for free. There is NO reason to buy games... UNLESS you want to support the developer. So, people who buy games tend to think like that. The only reason they're not pirating is to support the developer. And I don't mean piracy is stealing sales, either - piracy just lets one be super picky. Play 100 games, "donate buy" 5 game, as opposed to the former buy 5 games and don't play 95 other ones due to no money.
>And finally I think anyone who gets into VNs through steam is probably just a poser or someone going through an "anime phase"
>I just chalk it up to normalfags using consumer culture as a means of expressing their individuality by pursuing niche goods and interests. It's not really any different than buying clothes from Hot Topic as a tween.
My brother is a "normie" - normal dude with a job, watches some anime on netflix sometimes. He bought Eden, a steam VN, because it looked kind of interesting and he was bored. I think you really shouldn't project so much onto people you don't know. People really won't buy things they're not interested in (unless it's on a really really good sale and even then that doesn't make them posers, just bad with money). If VNs sell well on steam it's because a lot of people are interested in buying and playing them.

>>14422833

I'm in the same boat. When most of the people here on /jp/ snub their noses at people enjoying what was once unique content that only they could enjoy in their secret club, it's comical as hell. Now we have VN's, albeit with low quality, being produced in countries other than Nip land. This is a good thing. People here complain about "normies", but it's just people wanting to read and enjoy a story or game. It really has nothing to do with being a part of a sekrit club.

All I say is that as more people start playing and buying VNs, we'll have more and more companies translating and giving us VN's that were once exclusive to Japan.

Also, since they want to ensure that the product is successful, translators will only TL good VNs, or ones that have extremely high demand. Euphoria turned me off initially, but I knew Clock-up did some good work. Also, MG gave options to turn off scat and guro, so we're seeing some attempt to appease a wider audience. Euphoria should be bought, because I would never play games like this, until MG decided to TL it, and I knew that it was worth buying.

>>14422723
>it's mass market consumerism that's what determines a true fan, otaku, weaboo, or whatever you'd like to call it now
It's always been this way.
Buying 100 copies of a DVD of their favorite anime. Or 100 discs of the same single for their favorite idol. Those are extreme examples but they are iconic in that being otaku is basically being one more peg in the consumerist world. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean Otacool™ so that you can show this off in your favorite imageboard of choice or be featured in Danny Choo's books. It's just being otaku usually involves buying stuff that is pointless from a practical standpoint just for the sake of reinvesting in the producer. Buying VNs on Steam is just a mild case of that for people that aren't bleeding money since you can just pirate it, usually. And Steam is an easy platform reachable in the West to do so since not everyone can import.

>>14422997
>Also, MG gave options to turn off scat and guro, so we're seeing some attempt to appease a wider audience
Clockup always did this on their releases with their twist on the YU-RIS engine. Their custom engine is one of the reasons I enjoy Clockup VNs so much even though stuff with Hamashima usually ends up breaking my heart.

>>14422997
>>14423041
well fuck me I posted the wrong screenshot

How the hell do you even leave steam at this point.

Where da games at nowadays.

>>14423041

Well then. That just means that Clock-up is smart as hell. I turned off scat in Eroge! because I was never a big fan of shitting, and I did the same in Euphoria. I can handle text talking about shit eating. Seeing it isn't very fun.

I honestly hope that more of Clock-ups stuff is translated. Euphoria and Eroge! were leaps and bounds better than 90% of really any VN I've seen officially TL'd. Maggot Baits looks horrific as fuck. I would love to play that.

>>14418214
I think when Trump gets elected President and builds the Wall we should also put a large moat on top and sail down it in a yacht laughing at the Mexicans on the other side.

>>14418214
What I'm afraid of is when creators start pandering to the mass market, but that's not going to happen. It didn't happen to anime and manga, and something even more obscure and prejudiced at (especially prejudiced by the common jap) won't have any chance. The giant rift between cultures ensures only a niche audience. Also the fact that companies don't really give a shit about the western market.

Loud wanna-be otaku and "funny" guys playing it "ironically" are annoying as shit though. But they'll come to pass,never to stay.

>>14423356
Yes. This.. Lets keep our media where it belongs.

I won't ever buy a visual novel so I appreciate all the moralfags who pay for translations for me to appreciate.

>>14423356
How did you fit so much "I have no idea what I'm talking about" into a single post!?

>>14423356
You severely underestimate the tiny profit companies make from this industry.

I'd rather them be on GOG supporting no DRM desu

>>14418214
There is a free one called narcissu on there. Wonder how that 3rd part is coming along.

>>14429630
The Narcissu series is being shilled by Sekai Project now even though it used to be the epitome of free doujin work.