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>>13943308
Maybe Touhou has always been the same but it is you, who have changed.

So it's you.

IN was the last good game. Anything pass UFO is crap.

RIP Touhou

>>13943308
Touhou was never particularly good. If you enjoyed any aspect of the franchise other than the secondary music and h-doujins for more than a month after discovering the games then I don't know what's wrong with you.

People will write this post off as bait but I mean it completely unironically.

>>13943308
>implying ten desires was good

>>13943407
retarded opinion

It's funny how people are starting to include UFO or even TD in the "this was the last good game" crap.

Before MoF was the line.

>>13943407
>>13943427
what about SA

I disagree. LoLK was the best Touhou game of this decade thus far.

>>13943427
i agree 1/2 with you, MoF still was fine, i call the line the half of SA. The satori crew feel weird, not as bad as the LoLKhus but the feeling was similar.

It happens with every new games.

>>13943417
OP here, actually, I played 6 to 8 almost an year before finding out about the flashes and the doujin music, which it was mostly IOSYS, Silver Forest and the oldies we all know. Canon is essential to me and it's not doing it anymore as it used to do. I have a feeling the games are done merely to become memes and fapart nowadays. I miss the old days.

>>13943487
I don't know you, but I loved Ten Desires from day one. Same with MoF and SA.

>>13943532
There are people who like LolK on day one too.

Doesn't stop us from having new Touhou games are shit thread every times new Touhou games come out.

It's almost a tradition at this point.

>>13943308
get out normie

>>13943308
Same here. It feels like ten desires was yesterday, and it didn't happen.

Th06-11 are still the best and they are the ones I play nowadays...th14 was like a danmaku exercise without soul, and15 I haven't even bothered to play yet....

>>13943417
if touhou isnt that great then what are your favorite danmaku anon-kun?

>>13943422
it was.

>>13943308

Some things never change.
>anon starts to play Touhou
>They play & complete all the previously released games.
>When new games are released, they start to complain about how every game after they started playing is shit.

I think it's just burnout.

SoEW was the only good game.

I want a new Phantasmagoria game. It's been a decade.

>>13946411
Fuck off. HRtP was the peak of the series.

>>13946432
what the FUCK are you talking about. SoEW was clearly 100 times better, can you think of a better boss than DA FIVE MAGIC STONES, the only boss that raymoo fears

>>13946464
Fuck YOU. Bancho girl Ying Yang ball was 1000000 better than those stupid rocks.

>>13946537
LMAO you are comparing a FUCKEN tranny bross to DA SUPERIOR FIVE MAGIC STONES, da best boss ever created!!!!1!!

>>>/lgbt/

>>13943308
Maybe you're just burned out of the series. I felt like you after finishing MoF until I decided to pick up the series back again 2 years later.

>>13946067
>>13943422
It was decent, but it's the lowest point in touhou history.

>>13946573
Hey man, that really hurt my feelings. Bancho girl Ying Yang ball is my favorite boss and you insulted him/her/it.
FUCK YOU
THE BALL IS BETTER THAN THE DUMB ROCKS

>>13946594
Eosd is far worse than TD.

>>13946683
lol

I think it's just that you can brute force the new game. Try so long until you beat it, being stuck at some bullshit spellcards. How can you feel accomplished when the main thing you feel is frustration and anger.
Some parts are incredibly bland, mostly Junkos non spellcards. There are a lot of neat ideas, but those either end up 45 second long ones you are stuck on and learn to hate or are so easy you complete them after the second try.

And hating the new games and saying the old ones are better is tradition here now. Both TD and DDC were fun, it just takes time for people to get used to newhus. TD cast are really popular now.

>>13946683
If TD is your entry point, sure.

>>13946768
This. I didn't feel anything either after finishing point device mode. Is just "butt your head in the wall until you win". Thought i really liked the game playing it in practice mode.
I didn't minded Junko's pattern because she is supossed to be a weak deity trying to kill you.
The only bad part is Hecatia's design. I know ZUN has been taking a more modern concept lately but that ended up really badly.
It's a shame since the concept of Hecatia is actually pretty interesting.

>>13946829
I didn't like the idea of Pointdevice from the get go, i mean i think it somehow breaks what the experience should be.
I enjoyed playing the levels on practice too. And after you manage to discover a route to farm the pieces in each level's checkpoints, the 1cc then only depends on your practice over the difficult spellcards.

Overall my score:
Gameplay: a bit flawed but had nice spellcards 7/10
Music: Most of the music indeed remained good and ZUN seems to not have lost his touch.
8/10
Characters: 6/10 considering the 7 characters avaible, one resulted wierd and the last ridiculous for the Touhou Project's general concept.

>>13947090
>ridiculous for the Touhou Project's general concept
Whatever do you mean?

mountain of faith is the only good one tbh.

>>13947090
The experience should be like doing saves of I Wanna games but as a Touhou game.

>>13947090
I guess this game would have been better as a spin off game. Yeah the music is really good as always, thought Junko's theme was really anticlimatic, it had a good buildup but it didn't delivered. Still a good piece.
Some of the patterns are really creative most of Clownpiece patterns for example. Some of them were extremely hard like Junko's timeout spellcard.

>>13947146
what is PCB, what is IN?

>>13947139
HIDF please go

>>13947188
It's not that this he should have been a spinoff - just that IWBTG gameplay should have been saved for a spinoff game.

>>13946290

what are sanae's ten desires?

the best touhou games are 7, 9.5, and 11
You get a nice classic memorable feel from the first 2. while 11 is more modern and difficult and fights feel tense due to setting and resource system

>>13946768
>>13946829
>>13947090
Indeed. Dying literally 50 times on one spellcard in pointdevice breaks your tempo and flow completely. By the time I beat it, I'm still mad even if I did. I can't think "yay I did it". I just feel disappointed in my abilities because I know I could literally never 1cc it on legacy.

>>13949864
It's even worse to you go back to an older game after you spend half a day trying to beat LoLK on normal. You'd think you might have gotten a bit better after having made it through such a hell but you then realize the incessant trial-and-error strategy you were forced to use has actually eroded your skill and you find yourself dying in places where you never have before.

>>13947332
This image is rather funny because the premise, that is, someone starting with an undeniable fact, never happens in there threads. An invalid premise automatically invalidates everything else you have to say.

>>13950195
even invalid premise can lead to valid conclusions

learn to logic

What's the problem, fags? Just play on legacy.

I bet you use continues too.

eosd and pcb are kinda shit, in is ok but too easy, pofv needs a sequel, mof is great, sa is too hard, ufo is good, td is good, ddc is ok, lolk is too hard
pls subscribe

these threads
every fucking time a new touhou game comes out.

>>13943430
I'm relatively new to touhou and I have played all games from HRTP to UFO and I still have to get on par with the other games. Among all I've played until now, I must say my favourite is IN (I liked the team system, the spell practice mode, the osts and both Kaguya and Mokou are two of my favourite characters), but I must say that SA is a close second: god tier osts, great gameplay, the enemies have the most fun spell cards of every other game (every boss having his particular theme around which every spell plays) and it was all around great

I don't get it. The game worked for me the first two days and it was hard as hell, then when I started in one mode, it would move me to another. Like I would play normal and then at the start of a new stage it would say "lunatic" or "easy" or something. Now it's not working at all. I tried redownloading, I tried changing windows theme to basic and aero, and restarted everything and nothing worked. My sister downloaded it and it almost runs in slow motion..

Also, yes Clownpiece is the Shimakaze of Touhou. People will draw her without even knowing what the touhou series is

>>13952361
I admit I have been out of the games for long (last one I played was MoF), but I noticed there's no more files like "thXX.cfg" and "scorethXX.dat" in the game directory. So I assume somewhere on the way ZUN decided to keep player's data in the windows registry. Maybe some entries got corrupted and the game is now behaving weirdly? Anyone knows where it stores its data? I'm too lazy to fire up Procmon to track it myself.

>>13952402
Of course the thought happened to me right after posting... the player's data files are now stored in the user folder within windows, not in the registry. You can find them in %APPDATA%/ShanghaiAlice/th15. Try to move/delete those and see if it fixes the problem.

>>13952415
it worked!!!! You are the kindest ever! Thank you thank you thank you :3

Are there opportunities to farm up bomb pieces after stage 3, or do the chances drastically diminish past that? Also, Marisa and Reisen seem terrible because they don't have homing.

http://strawpoll.me/5243252

>>13943445
Give them time anon, in 6 years Lolk will be the last good touhou

>>13952577
>ppl like mediocre games just because it gives them infinite retries.

>>13952700
>ppl
UFO has only a single vote, anon.

>>13952577
The results should be :
Lolk > UFO > TD > DDC

Difficulty shouldn't be a factor since there is Lunatic on every game in case you need it.

>>13952742
What's so good about LoLK? It felt really unfinished to me. The music was mostly disappointing, except for a few stages and pointdevice was the most gimmicky thing since the UFOs system.

>>13952742
DDC is far better than UFO and TD though.

>>13952577
put all the cardinal games in the list, and watch the shitstorm

>>13952526
Reisen's unfocused shot covers a lot of area once powered up, so it's rather close to homing.

>>13952756
agree with you except for the music, overall, zun did naice music for LoLK

>>13952756
I felt the other way anon. It felt grand and memorable to me. Lunarians have been hyped all this time and now they are getting their ass handed to them by fairies. Serously fuck Lunarians.

On a more serious note I think eveyones perceptions might be skewed now since we don't have a patch yet and becuase point device made you suffer.

>>13952779
>becuase point device made you suffer.
>point device
It really didn't, and in the end, after beating Junko I didn't feel anything. No sense of accomplishment, no nothing.

>>13946798

>having to abuse bombs to get lives is good
>having to memorize where to bomb to maximize your lives is good
>glitchy, lagging hitbox is good.

The difficulty ramping up was interesting in concept, but unfortunately it worked against its intended purpose because more bullets = more score when you bomb, which means more lives.
Patchouli having different cards per character/shot was interesting, but honestly a lot of eosd just wasn't good. Of the classic games, IN was the most well put together and had the most interesting cards, even if the difficulty was lacking. PCB was a good balance of difficulty.

But it was a doujin project and had character, and zun got a lot better at things as he went along.

>>13952808
Even though I seriously doubt there has been any change in quality in touhou IN is still the most memorable.

>>13952795
you sense of accomplishment is just a feeling and has nothing to do with the quality of the game.

>>13952808
>and zun got a lot better at things as he went along.
except for his character desing lmao, pretty much concept wise it went downhill, i would love more characters with ZUN-hats.

>>13952829
The game is obviously rushed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWf63PIrZaE

How do you think LoLK would've been if it wasn't rushed, /jp/? (shitposting aside)

>>13952855
The same.

>>13952855
A much more polished stage 5 background, stage 6 in general.
Improved Junko's spellcards
A non shitty Extra stage with the same bullets being spammed everywhere, and maybe a not so cringy extra boss design

>>13952840
>>13952855
The only thing I think we needed was a more polished extra stage design. What really bothers me is the red stain ( what is that? blood?) It seems he saw there was something lacking and he just smeared paint over it.

>>13952915 this guy seems on the right track, the only thing I disagree is Junko. I find her blandness great and would have actually wanted a harder version as the extra stage and swap with Hecatia.

>>13952939
I only find Junko's head and hair desing weird, but everything else in her appearance is fine.

>>13952577
I would say UFO but I hate the UFO mechanic so I'll go with TD.

Can't you stop fucking crying and making those fucking stupid threads already?

Jesus Christ.

If you don't like it then just stop fucking playing it already.

Stupid question maybe, but nonetheless.
I have cleared the game in Pointdevice, the ending is described as "Pointdevice mode or No miss Clear ending". The wiki translation of the scenario also describes two different dialogue patterns with Junko, one for "PD or Legacy no miss" and one for "Legacy miss".
Is this "no miss" thing referring to a 1cc (clearing without using continues), or does it really mean "not losing even a single life"? I always thought "no miss" meant "not being hit", but I don't recall Touhou ever enforcing it for a good ending.

>>13956877
She says something about "being wrapped in impurity of death" for Reimu and "why have you accepted all these mistakes" for Reisen, so I guess that either means dying or not capturing a spellcard before getting to her. I think it's just flavor text and it shouldn't affect your ending as long as you get 1cc clear.

>>13956976
Well, I don't think I'll ever be able to do a Legacy No Miss clear, but I'll aim for a Legacy 1cc to see if there's any difference with PD.

>>13956877
No miss means not getting hit. The whole point of pointdevice mode is it's an easy way to get a no miss clear: you just try again and again until you eventually get through each part without taking a hit.

>>13957712
What I don't get is why did ZUN think of implementing a no miss clear "requirement". Aren't his games hard enough without requiring a NM clear?
I gave a peek at omake.txt through online translators and it states that each character has a "no miss clear" and a "miss clear" ending, though both are considered good endings.
In previous games I only knew about using continues (hence bad ending) or not (-> good ending), I always thought NM runs were just for experienced players to show off.

Highly Responsive to Prayers was the last good Touhou game

>>13958348
Are you sure it's not no miss clear = pointdevice and miss clear = legacy?

>>13958783
Checked it again, you're quite right. Note that Japanese name for PointDevice is "absolute perfection mode" or "flawless mode".
It says "Since PD mode is virtually a no miss clear, let's call the two endings <PD ending> and <legacy ending>". In this regard he simply doesn't take into account the chance of doing a "real" legacy no miss clear (he also jokes and says "please don't try to do it"); PD is meant to do it.

When clearing PD with Reimu I got Ending no.1 (I think), clearing in Legacy 1cc will net me Ending no.2? And using continues will give me a bad end?I still have to try, anyone knows for sure?

I still don't know what the difference is between pointdevice and legacy is. At first I thought pointdevice was some garbage casual shit for people playing on tablets or phones.

I really don't see any gameplay difference in the first stage, like I understand its supposed to be harder on PD somehow but its not very apparent why?

How do I say unfocused? This shitty fucking game keeps auto-focusing me when I hold down the shot key.

I can't go fast like this.

Using any shottype that isn't Sanae is suffering. If there's one thing I dislike about LoLK, it's how unbalanced the shottypes are, but this goes for every game he made, honestly.

>>13959016
I just cleared Pointdevice Lunatic with Reisen and got Ending no.7. I'll 1cc on Legacy to verify if I get Ending no.8, but I think that'll be the case and I may try for a no miss 1cc and see if I still get the Pointdevice ending.

>>13960646
you are forced to learn the patterns. Unless there is some breaking news thats it.

>>13960646
There's no difference. Legacy mode is for those poeple who want the usual Touhou experience without the infinite lives thing.

>>13961543
But ironically enough, Legacy all but gives you infinite lives as well.

>>13961609
How so? I haven't tried it. Is there a mechanic you can abuse?

>>13961857
Grazing enough bullets earns you a life piece every chapter, so you can abuse that and get showered with lives. At least on hard or lunatic, where there's enough bullets to graze. Or so I heard.
The same grazing mechanism will award bomb pieces in Pointdevice instead.

>>13960734
>I may try for a no miss 1cc and see if I still get the Pointdevice ending.
I bet you will, as clearing PD says "Pointdevice mode or no miss clear". Please report if you do, as I don't think I'll ever be able to do a no miss clear.

New here, didn't want to start a new thread.

How do I get started with touhou?

>>13962356
Play the games in order, starting from 6th game.

>>13962356
You can find the games on doujinstyle.com

>>13962396

Right, just ignore the older games.
I torrent the games right?
Found a pack on nyaa.

>>13943407
Touhou was plateauing after IN, the following few games were still at least as good as EoSD. I think this game is were the it is clearly worse than EoSD.

>>13962431
http://moriyashrine.weebly.com/official-touhou-games.html

>>13943526
Wait so what actually is different nowadays with the games? I do think ZUN had some downs with a few games here and there, and the style has slightly changed, but mostly it still feels Touhou to me.

I guess maybe the amount of.people that do fanthings (the non-lewd stuff, since that's what contributes most to the world feel of Touhou)?

>>13962551

Thanks.

Also, how come there is no touhou general?
So many touhou threads and yet no general, seems weird.

>>13962574
This and the fact that there aren't so many circles popping and doing awesome music as before. Nowadays we only see some regulars doing the same they always did and rarely if ever some new circles filling the gaps of the ones that died. I feel the music is quite mediocre too, which was one of the higher point of it for me.

>>13962622
/jp/ is the touhou board, the non-touhou threads are our guests.

>>13962622
>how come there is no touhou general?
um

>>13962622
>how come there is no touhou general?

Are you serious?

Thanks.

Also, how come there is no 4chan general?
So many 4chan threads and yet no general, seems weird.

>>13964750
We need a /jp/ general.

>>13961609
What gives you spell pieces in point device gives you life pieces in legacy. On top of that an extra life only requires three life pieces.
On the first day some fag did a lunatic legacy 1cc by bombing through fucking everything and then just throwing away his lives to gain more bombs because he had so many of them.

>>13962622
>So many touhou threads
Only because a new game was just released. Soon we'll be back to one thread a day or even less.

How does the game end, do the moonbitches all move to gensokyo?

>>13967619
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh wait, you're serious.

Holy FUCK, I thought DDC was hard when it came out. This is even worse.

I mean pointdevice mode makes this way less irritating but still, some of these I have no idea what the fuck i'm even supposed to be doing and I fuck up and waste my bombs on easier shit out of a panic deathbomb.

Also seriously the bullets turning red and jiggling when I graze them has fucked me over more times than anything else. It really makes grazing hard when I suddenly notice shit next to my hitbox jiggling and I reflex into something else.

>>13962622
this board is a touhou general

>>13968364
>bullets turning red and jiggling when I graze them has fucked me over more times than anything else
One of Clownpiece's spellcard requires you to graze the bullets in order to create a way around them.
Have fun!

>>13967688
don't bully
I'll never finish the game so I'm all curious.

>>13968530
Just use PD Easy Reisen if all you wanna do is be a secondary and see the endings. See you in Extra.

>>13968597
But easy gives bad end? And why is anything related to being a secondary.

>>13968693
There's so much wrong with this.

>>13968714
What do you mean I don't understand.

>>13968693
Easy will give you the same ending as Normal+, it will also unlock Extra.
Though pic related.

>>13969455
Ok noted. I always played on normal so I'm not planning to do it on easy this time.
Is asking about ending still a taboo some people get buttmad about it?

>>13969595
It's more respect to ZUN wishes than anger against idiots. No, wait, it's more anger against idiots.

LEAVE IT TO ME

>0/60 on doremy's last card
>give up
>hours later
>realise the y/n option when starting was an option to reload my checkpoint
>clear it first time

I still don't want to know what that card's like on hard/lunatic tho

>>13971018
I got you covered. It's the same shit, just that now intead of one line of bullets there are two of them. The safespot changes everytime, though.

>>13971079
well that doesn't sound so bad at least

also white lasers on white background at start of stage 4 nice fuckin meme zun

>>13971103
No, what you're imagining doesn't even compare to the real thing.
The first group of laser has a safespot near where you're placed, for the second one just keep moving. As for the rest, I don't even know how I got past that in PD Lunatic without bombing. Save one or two bombs and time it's use with your death so it can last more.

>>13971018
whoquote?

>>13959016

Marisa PD gives Ending #3, Sanae is #5 so it's a fair assumption.

>>13968364

For that one, start in the lower centre and move horizontally after the enemies pass you by. Then go around the cluster of bullets and return to the centre for the next wave in the opposite direction. Pretty easy.

>>13974594
I understand its pretty simple streaming, but the sheer number and direction they come from is just boggling sometimes. Even worse was trying to use Marisa on that stage.

>>13947139
>not a native to Gensokyo
>literally lives on other dimension
>so she doesnt care about muh pijamas and bonnets and my silly hats
>ridiculous for the concept
think before you post faggot